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Speaker 1: Aol the media.

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Speaker 2: All right, sister needs no introduction. We are super excited

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Speaker 2: to do this. I told her before we started that

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Speaker 2: like we felt like we just gonna pull up from

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Speaker 2: the logo and see if like see if it happens,

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Speaker 2: you know, and we are honored to have the Queen Sister.

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Speaker 3: Jamil here here. How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. It's a pleasure to be on looking forward

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Speaker 1: to this conversation. So thank you. I appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, nah. This was like it's perfect. You know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like in a lot of ways, like what

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Speaker 2: you're trying to do is in a lot of ways

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Speaker 2: in the same spirit or what we do over here,

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Speaker 2: like you know our shows called the Politics for prop

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Speaker 2: and like there's a few play on words here.

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Speaker 3: One.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I've always felt like Detroit is

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Speaker 2: like as her cousins to La, Like I think I

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Speaker 2: feel like in some ways it's like I was actually

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Speaker 2: talking to house Shoes again another mutual. I was talking

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Speaker 2: to him yesterday that I always feel like, as I

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Speaker 2: just like urban like kind of politics they translate to Detroit,

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Speaker 2: you know, like little stuff where It's just like if

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Speaker 2: I turn a corner, this is clearly a block I

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Speaker 2: probably shouldn't be on. But if I'm here, let me

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Speaker 2: just address the LG like you know, some chief is

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Speaker 2: your world, Like I'll just address you. You know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, and like that's the rules where we are

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Speaker 2: like acknowledge that this is not your block, and I

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Speaker 2: am a guest. So I feel like, you know, what

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Speaker 2: we're trying to do here is like the hood of

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Speaker 2: politics in the sense that like that is an actual

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Speaker 2: interact with each other.

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Speaker 3: But also I feel like if you.

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Speaker 2: Grew up in any of our urban areas and had

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Speaker 2: to navigate this world, you actually understand politics better than

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Speaker 2: you think you do.

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Speaker 1: Oh and no question, but you know, honestly I do.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because like I live in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: now right, you know, been out here since twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: and I've been coming to Caligue for years, to LA

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Speaker 1: specifically for years. And what I would say is the

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Speaker 1: thing that binds LA and Detroite together beyond ice cube,

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Speaker 1: where of course the D logo and the hood which

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Speaker 1: you had us very excited during that time. Is I

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Speaker 1: think it is. I'll preface it by saying, people who

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Speaker 1: very big difference. Talk to you who are from LA

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Speaker 1: and the people who are you know, from Detroit. There

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Speaker 1: is a realness that are in both residents that makes

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Speaker 1: the bonding really easy. And I say this a lot,

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Speaker 1: especially now living here and understanding the hood of politics

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Speaker 1: lot of it's like, Nah, it's the transplants y'all don't

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Speaker 1: move a lot different, very different, like very differently, Like

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Speaker 1: they don't know Hollywood shit like most of the LA people,

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Speaker 3: Hell like, and we don't go to Hollywood exactly.

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Speaker 2: We don't be going up there. Yeah, going up there, right?

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Speaker 2: You are that You took the words right out of

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Speaker 2: my mouth. That's what it is. A lot of us

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Speaker 2: like same thing with Detroit. Like our families. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was the great migration. Our families are from the South.

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Speaker 2: So like when you get here with us, we're like, yo,

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Address my granny when you walk in the house. You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like, let's have a good time.

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Speaker 2: It's cool with respect, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 2: and again the same thing, like I said, that's the

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Speaker 2: same thing I say to the transplants too, is like

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Speaker 1: It's not transactional A yeah, exactly. Just I think the

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Speaker 2: We smell it immediately, like we smell it immediately immediately, and.

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Speaker 1: It's y'all don't do that. And I think it's really helpful,

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Speaker 1: And then you know, on top of that, like you know,

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Speaker 3: That's what I know.

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Speaker 1: All those issues that people talk about with LA, frankly,

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Speaker 2: You could say exactly what you said, because that's what

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Speaker 2: you saying that confirms what I've always felt, which was

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Speaker 3: You know what i'merstand, Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy that I had the institutional knowledge of LA

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Speaker 1: And so I think you also, you can find community

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Speaker 1: I did not realize actually how few black people it

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Speaker 1: And so I think growing up consuming the media about

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Speaker 1: And I got here and I saw the stat that

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Speaker 2: And a lot of my friends from like the South

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Speaker 2: But it still feels like it was multi generational because

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Speaker 2: three generations came at the same time. But they all

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Speaker 3: Are not from here.

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Speaker 2: Is that like California's Mexico, So like I feel like

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Speaker 2: You can live your whole life in Cali and never

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Speaker 2: But but on the other hand, it's like the Mexican influence,

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Speaker 3: So there were still of course, our rules was still

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Speaker 3: But I speak Spanish, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But that being said, that element, you know, I always

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Speaker 2: Miss Gonzales was your that was your kindergarten teacher.

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Speaker 3: You feel me. Miss Perez lived across the street, you know.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because you've had to speak

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Speaker 2: she's first gen Mexican, but like her grandfather's black. You

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Speaker 2: he's from southern Mexico. But anyway, I've been speaking Spanish

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Speaker 2: It was like just the spanglish, yes, spanglish, just like jolo.

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Speaker 2: So when I'm meeting her grandmother, she they was like

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Speaker 2: just very disrespectful because you just and I'm like, what, like, yeah, bro,

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Speaker 2: you don't talk to elders that way.

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Speaker 3: You feel me.

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Speaker 2: It's like walking your grandma house and being like, what's up, gi,

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Speaker 2: how you doing? Like you can't talk? You don't talk

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Speaker 2: to nobody's grandma like that. But now I know anyway.

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Speaker 1: But you know that is I think what you said

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Speaker 1: explained why there are not I'm not I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: And the great thing about being from Detroit and a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So I want to get to all

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, I feel like some

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Speaker 2: So we wrote it down Monday's Peacock, Tuesday's NBC and Peacock,

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Speaker 3: Math?

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Speaker 2: Much right, Like they're just like you gonna what what

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Speaker 2: anti capitalists, anti corporate, anti corporate, you know what I'm saying,

437
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: anti establishment, have been like that for most of my life. Obviously,

438
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: people won't understand money, think that if you anti capitalist,

439
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: it means you ain't trying to make no money. That's

440
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: as if capitalism invented making money.

441
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 3: That's not true. But there is a.

442
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: Part of me that you know, even our whole network,

443
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 2: is that our little team on on our little cool

444
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: zone media were all like leftists, like unashamedly like we're leftists.

445
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. On iHeartMedia, you know what

446
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: I mean.

447
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: Like on this multi conglomerate corporation talking this anti corporate shit,

448
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I just wondered, you

449
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like you you know obviously you

450
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: you you was done super dirty when you were standing

451
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: ten toes down, you know what I'm saying. On some

452
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: like I'm not gonna stand for this shit. You know

453
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: you feel me. But then at the same time, it's

454
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: like when you in the ocean, you gotta swim, you

455
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like, so I just wonder, like,

456
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: in what ways do you like square that circle where,

457
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: like I said, like we're both on iHeart, you know

458
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, So like I'm just wondering, like how

459
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: how you've been able to like navigate that, Like I said,

460
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: I know how I do it, but I was just wondering.

461
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: So we're all compromised. What you said is very true.

462
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: We're all compromised because as much as I despise so

463
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: much about mainstream media, my entire career has been in

464
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: mainstream media, but it used to be sort of my

465
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: opinion that, Okay, the way to shake the system, shift

466
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: the system is you got to break them from at

467
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: the end. That's a lie. And I realized a long

468
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: time ago that was a lie, and it was an

469
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: unfortunate reality to confront because I think from an activist standpointing,

470
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: you know this, especially given your relationship with the Black

471
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: Panther Party is for so long, we have parroted the

472
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: narrative that we got to change the system from within,

473
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: and that's not what happens. What happens every single time

474
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,239
Speaker 1: is that they don't change the system. The system changes you.

475
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: So you become just like the system that you were

476
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: trying to change from within. And I am now of

477
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: the you know, despite being compromised, is that I still

478
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: have to use these compromised tools as a leverage for

479
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: something wider. So even though yes, we're both platformed by

480
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: iHeart Multi you know, big player in the podcast world,

481
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: it is the most effective way to get out the

482
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: message at this point. And while I have other platforms

483
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: that I use that are completely independent of any corporate relationship,

484
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: the fact is to move and to radicalize requires money.

485
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: To do that. And I remember this was the end

486
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Speaker 3: of the day.

487
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember years ago I was on a

488
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Speaker 1: panel which Tommy Smith, you know Tommy Smith, of Tommy

489
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: Smith and John Carlos who raised their fist at the

490
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: sixteen Olympics, right, And I was and Tommy Smith he

491
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: really put it into the perspective and he talked about

492
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: how when they came back from that Olympics where they

493
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: raised the raised their fists to bring attention to the

494
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: fact that here they were representing their representing a country

495
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: that did not respect them, that did not considered them

496
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: sub human. And he said when they came back to

497
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: the States, they couldn't get jobs, they couldn't economically, they

498
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: had a very tough time surviving, and so it just

499
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: while we are in a deeply capitalistic system. It's like

500
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: there is nothing about being radical that says it requires

501
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: you to be broke, because honestly, a lot of how

502
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: you can move you have to use your money as leverage.

503
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: You know. As a smaller example, but a recent example,

504
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: people look at the guys who created South Park and

505
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: how they just completely blow towards Donald Trump. Right. The

506
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: reason they were able to blow towards Donald Trump on

507
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: the same platform that just pretty much let themselves be

508
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: extorted by Donald Trump is because they have a billion

509
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: dollars in leverage to do it. And that's how much

510
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: Paramount paid them for South Park is a billion dollars, right,

511
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: And they generate a lot of money for Paramount and

512
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: Slash CDs. So the whole point is that it's nobody

513
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: is saying that you have to be a slave to

514
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 1: money or that you should just be out here moving

515
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: in very unethical ways. But the money gives you the leverage,

516
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: and it's an important component to what we do, even

517
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: in the compromises that we make, Like there's there's relationships

518
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: that I have to maintain to do and talk as

519
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: freely as I do facts, and I think we're all

520
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: kind of in that situation and understand that. Listen, I

521
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: would love to be unencumbered from some of these relationships

522
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: and just talk my shit and just that bank account

523
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: just look like it looked and it's just like, wow,

524
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. But that's not reality. The reality is to

525
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: talk your shit in the way that you feel like

526
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: is effective and that reaches the people you need to reach.

527
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: You have to be compromised in some areas to keep

528
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: that machine going. Yeah, So that's how I reconcile it.

529
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: No, no, same, It's like if you have you know.

530
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: Your point about like the South Park dudes is like,

531
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: first of all, they have proven their return on their investment.

532
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: We've already proven that we're financially viable, and now we

533
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: have fuck off money.

534
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: So and they literally and this is probably what bothers

535
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: me more than anything is that when the people who

536
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: have fuck you money never say fuck you. And what

537
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: I can respect about the South Park guys is they

538
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: got fuck you money and literally said it and said it.

539
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah you know and and and and can't and will

540
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: walk away.

541
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: One thing I did learn, but which you're you're absolutely right,

542
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: But like in addition to that, like again just sort

543
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: of the uh, the combination of all of our worlds,

544
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: like whether it's sports or music or entertainment or even streets,

545
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: Like I can't if I'm not willing to walk away

546
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: from the table and just be like, well fuck you,

547
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: I don't need this, then we're not negotiating.

548
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: Like then there's there, Then there's really no leverage.

549
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: I felt like some of the scariest dudes when I

550
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: grew up with were the We're the calm ones. We're

551
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: the ones that very calmly. I have a I'm not

552
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: gonna say, well, I can say his name, My cousin Arjuna.

553
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: He's he was. I mean, he's like a muytide fighter trainer,

554
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: now you know what I'm saying.

555
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: So he was always like, you know, you know, a

556
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: little boys and just like he naturally buff, like that

557
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: was my cousin.

558
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: The rest of us was rail thin. He was just

559
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: he naturally right.

560
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: And I mean I was getting picked on at some

561
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: point from this like it's like blood dude, whatever, right,

562
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, we got like kids, right, and the dude

563
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: was like a lot he was a lot bigger than me,

564
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: you know, but it's like this is just this is

565
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: just what it is.

566
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: If you have to catch a fag, you catch your faith.

567
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: But anyway, my cousin jumped in the middle of it

568
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: when it got a little weird, and he was just

569
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: like jamil as calm as I'm talking right now.

570
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: He said, Hey, don't talk to my cousin like that,

571
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: like that, calm, you know what I'm saying. And it's just.

572
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: It's when you can speak that call because I know, like, boy,

573
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: I will send you in the next week. Like it

574
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: communicates that, like I'll send you in the next week.

575
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: I know something you don't. So like you said that,

576
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: fuck you. Money is the one that says who's who

577
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: works in a compromise system is the one that says,

578
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: I can go use other.

579
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: Tools, you know what I mean.

580
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: Like I think that's I think that's largely true because

581
00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: like the leverage often that people have over when it

582
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: comes to to silence, Like, yes, silence is usually created

583
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: by the fact that the person is not willing to

584
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: walk away from whatever is the situation. So it's like

585
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: if you're not willing to walk away, then then you're

586
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: willing to be silenced. Yeah, it's the people that are

587
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: like you can. People always ask me when I was

588
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: at ESPN and me and my friend and former television

589
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: partner Michael Smith about our show and like, why you

590
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: all seem to be very unapologetic about what you're doing,

591
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: And the reason it came off that way is because one,

592
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: that was who we really were. But the more important

593
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: thing is, like we lived by the principal of y'all

594
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: can have this shit anytime y'all want to come get.

595
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 3: It, see and until talk to them.

596
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was really our attitude. Our attitude

597
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: was you know what I mean. Neither one of us

598
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: imagined ourselves when we got into journalism as being television

599
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: for ours So it wasn't something that we ever hinged

600
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: our identity on and said like, if I'm not this

601
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: television star, then my career is worthlets. It didn't mean

602
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: that much to us. What made the show was the

603
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: fact that we were two friends who just wanted to

604
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: do some bullshit and talk some shit on TV. That

605
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: was literally that was That was That was our fun.

606
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Fun was you know, being able to bring our personalities

607
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: to daily television and talk about sports in a way

608
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: that was fun and engaging and not so serious. Like

609
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: we weren't saving babies from burning buildings, like we talking

610
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: about sports, like like what are we talking about here?

611
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: Good?

612
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: Right, we're good, like we won. Okay, we are you know.

613
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: And so because we had that mentality of they they

614
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: can have this ship if we can't be ourselves. That's

615
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: the best leverage that we ever had being at the

616
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: network and why we had probably more creative freedom than

617
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: we even really understood.

618
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: And and what's yes to your point and is like they.

619
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: It's crazy how people how the institution at some point

620
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: sees the value in that that you know, like like

621
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: I said, like the person that's the same way the

622
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: person that's speaking really calm, the other person listens and goes, Okay,

623
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: they know something I don't. So you having this like

624
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: this attitude and like just again these compromise too. It's

625
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: like and it also like it worked, y'all just be

626
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: and y'allselves worked, you know what I mean, Like that's

627
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I know who you are. You

628
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and why like I know, I

629
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: keyed in. I was like they show different like oh

630
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: she they different. They talk like us, you know what

631
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And that to me, is like that element

632
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: of authenticity is like you know, obviously is what our

633
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: politics are missing. Is a person that's like I just

634
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: feel like, and we gonna get to this next part.

635
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because I can say I

636
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: do won't waste the time. But I just feel like

637
00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: if when a person is running for office with not

638
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: like you know, astro turfed like authority, but somebody that's

639
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: like I really got it out the mud, I really

640
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: care about this city. I'm gonna do this work regardless

641
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: whether you put me in the office or not. It

642
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: takes a million dollars you I'm saying. It's just like, look, dog,

643
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: I need a million dollars on me. Like you know

644
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna go get this money

645
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: from these people. They know who I am, they know

646
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna say, they know what I'm gonna do.

647
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: You know who I am, you know what I say,

648
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: you know what I'm gonna do. Let's try to get this,

649
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: Let's try to make this happen. You know, if somebody

650
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: would just be to me, I personally like somebody just

651
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: get on this, get on get on the camera and

652
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: just say that like look, dog, these flights ain't cheap,

653
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: you know, like flights ain't cheap on me, the commercials

654
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: ain't free, like you know, like I need this money,

655
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: I need the bread, like what you want me to say?

656
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because what you said reminded me

657
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: of something that my husband talks about. He and I

658
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: talk about a lot. And he was like, you know,

659
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: one of the he sees is one of the major

660
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: problems that we have in our societies that honesty is

661
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: not actually rewarded. And because we were talking about this

662
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: in the scope of dating, actually not necessarily our dating story,

663
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: but just how you know, he was saying like, well,

664
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes me and will be real with women,

665
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: and then.

666
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: That was all bad, yes, just anyway, and yeah, I

667
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: was like.

668
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: No, it's not that, It's just that you all sometimes

669
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: my experience is that that. Yeah, you could say, yeah,

670
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: you're not the only woman I'm talking to. Cool, that's great.

671
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: You're allowing me to make an educated choice about whether

672
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: or not I want to proceed and getting to know you,

673
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: knowing that you out here they and other women. But

674
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: if I say I respect that, but no thanks, then

675
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: you get all mad and it's just like, well, you

676
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: can be to me, but I'm gonna still make a

677
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: choice that say. It's like that ain't really what I

678
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: want to deal with. And he was, oh, that's why

679
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm not rewarded, and I'm like, no, you get this,

680
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, you get to be fun of streets. That's

681
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: not gonna always be the reward.

682
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: What do you be rewarded?

683
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: Like she not allowed to have a response, exactly, that's crazy.

684
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny.

685
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: I was like, to your point, the probably the woman

686
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: I was most like when I was down the baddest

687
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: was when I met my now wife, Like I was

688
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: like the bad and at that point I was down

689
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: so bad, you know that. I was just like, look,

690
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: I ain't no point me lying like this was happening

691
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: right now, you feel me? And I was like, I

692
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: it's not where I'm always be, you know what I'm saying.

693
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: These were the situations that got me to this point.

694
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: You feel me.

695
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm working on now, you know you know obviously,

696
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: I mean fifteen years later, you know what I'm saying.

697
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: But like, but at the time, to your point, I

698
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: was like, dude, that was I never thought about it

699
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: like that, But that was one of one of one

700
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: of the most honest I had ever.

701
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: Been, because you had to have any choice.

702
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 2: I had no choice, Like, well, you know what I'm saying,

703
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: like I was on tour, Like this is this too much? CMI,

704
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: But I was on tour. While I was on tour,

705
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: like my apartment got flooded, and then one in the roommate.

706
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: My roommate was like two months behind on his half

707
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: of the rim sending in the rent.

708
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 3: But it's only half. So the landlord like, you're half

709
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 3: and I'm like, fam, you ain't been paying a rent.

710
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: He was like, well they housed the flooded house. The

711
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: house is flooded. I'm like that don't mean you can.

712
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: You still got to pay the LEYO saying, so, like

713
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: I done lost my apartment. I got to move back

714
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: into my daddy house.

715
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: Like you'm saying what your rap was.

716
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: I'm homeless and I'm living with my father.

717
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: There's thing. I have a master's degree, I'm a college

718
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: graduate and I live in my daddy's house.

719
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, yo say you know,

720
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: but see, but the whole point is you gave her,

721
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: I gave her, You gave her the opportunity to make

722
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: an educated opinion. And so where I was going with

723
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: that was that often in politics, we don't reward on

724
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: as politicians, so they don't really have any incentive to

725
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: be honest or authentic. And you know, I can tell

726
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: you so many stories about politicians who you have opinions

727
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: of versus how they have come off to the majority

728
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: of the mainstream on television and whatever, versus how they

729
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: are in private, and in private you'll be like, I

730
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: need to see this person. But I understand that if

731
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: the goal of the exercise is to get as many

732
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: votes as possible, there are more people who this is

733
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: going to sound crazy, there are more people who frankly

734
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: want this honest politicians than ones that do. And in America,

735
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: with sales and politics, our narratives and storylines, it's like

736
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: we treat politics like we treat sports, which is part

737
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: of the reason why we're in this situation we're in

738
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: right now. And so we don't reward the authenticity, so

739
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: they have no reason to give it. They don't have

740
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: any like be honest with us? Are you kidding? A

741
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: lot of us could not handle if the politicians were

742
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: actually honest with about And so they instead create narratives

743
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: around who they are as opposed to appealing as real people.

744
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: I think Hillary Clinton's a great example. I had an opportunity,

745
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: so Hillary and Chelsea Clinton, they had a show on

746
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: Apple and they asked me to be a part of

747
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: It's had a chance to like, you know, sort of

748
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: spend time with them. Not you know, they're Hillary and

749
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: Chelsea obviously, but like I see who Hillary Clinton is

750
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: on social media. And you know, it was funny because

751
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: when we when we recorded the show, we recorded it

752
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: in d C. And it was at a Mexican restaurant

753
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: and it was a bunch of women just to have

754
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: a conversation about, you know, different things, politics, family life,

755
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff. And they taped this

756
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: off for Apple. So the waiter comes around and is

757
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: asking everybody, you know, what they want to eat, people

758
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: giving their orders or whatever, and Hillary Clinton was the

759
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: only one who ordered to drink. I was like, well,

760
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm drinking with Hillary glick.

761
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

762
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: Correct. And so being Hillary up there drink at tequila, right,

763
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: we think it the good old time. And I was

764
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: just thinking to myself the whole time, like, you know,

765
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: the shame of it is the way our political structure

766
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: is set up, and I realized, like, there are people

767
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: understandably who had issues with Hillary Clinton and some of

768
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: her politics. That's fine, but I also was thinking, like,

769
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's a shame she couldn't be this person

770
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: that I'm seeing right now because the way our political

771
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: structure is set up, and frankly, the way our misogyny

772
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: is set up, especially for women, the way the misogyny

773
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: is set up, it just doesn't allow for this. And my, my,

774
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: it's not even a fear because it's a reality. Is

775
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: that the very these structures and these systems that have

776
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: been built in our country are killing us. And I

777
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: don't I don't think many of us really understand the

778
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: extent to which that is happening. Real the capitalism is

779
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: killing us, the misogy is killing us. The white supremacy

780
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: don't then murdered us a thousand times over, and it's

781
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: just like, why we keep signing up for this?

782
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: Yes, why there is zero I like, as somebody who

783
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: talks about politics every week on the internet, it is

784
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: it is these very things that gave us the president

785
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: we got now, because like if you was just doing

786
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: just I'm just saying, just be the grossest of capitalists.

787
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: Then you would be like, this man is a bad

788
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: choice for us, Like you know what I'm saying, and

789
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: even the choices he's making, even concerning you know, immigration

790
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.

791
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, this, don't you fucking up the money?

792
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: Like I like, I'm just I'm gonna be as horrible

793
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: as possible. That is fucking up the money.

794
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: The plainest way you could say it. And it's like,

795
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: I don't understand why this doesn't compute because I'm sitting

796
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: up here and you've seen it all across social media

797
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: and we've seen it on the news them, you know,

798
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: and I just some of I'm very irritated with the

799
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: media because they keep doing these breathless stories of running

800
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: to these business owners who voted for Trump and their

801
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: business is now fucked over, Okay, but just taking that

802
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: that that component of this and fixating on it.

803
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: For a minute, I'm like, so, let me get this straight.

804
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: You lived. I think there was this one that just

805
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: went viral. My man lived in Maine. Maine is not

806
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: at least if you live in Texas and immigration is

807
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: an issue. I kind of get it, all right, you

808
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: live in Texas, You're right there by Mexico. All right, fine,

809
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: you live in Maine and Joe Biden literally put money

810
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: in your pocket because the passing of the Infrastructure Bill

811
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: allowed him as an engineer to get more work than

812
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: he has ever seen. Yeah, lecture came around in twenty

813
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: twenty four. This dumb ass voted for Trump because of

814
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: the border. You live in Maine.

815
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: It was like the Canadian.

816
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: And he's at the job because because Trump rolled back

817
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: all the the initiatives that dealt with his particular feel

818
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: and so he's out of a job. I was like,

819
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: so you sat up there at your big age and

820
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: did not have the critical thinking to realize. You know,

821
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: it's like the people that are voting voting for Trump

822
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: because the trans athletes and ain't got no kids and

823
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: ain't got nobody competing this sports. It's like, I don't

824
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: understand this. Also, like I'm like, you have met a

825
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: trans person and you already know that it's not that

826
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: many of them.

827
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: For them, enough of them.

828
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh, well, you never met one, and

829
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: like you said, like you've never seen the only immigrant

830
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: you've ever seen is from Canada.

831
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: So could you live in Yeah? So out, I'm Okay,

832
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: I love it.

833
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, just working against your own self because

834
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: you cannot fathom the idea of anyone other than a

835
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: mediocre white man being the best person for the job.

836
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: I just don't understand how.

837
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: That mediocre is doing a lot of work.

838
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: Mediocre is struggling.

839
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of work because I'm like, I actually

840
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: wish it was me.

841
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: My man did the last week, did the most relatable

842
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: thing I ever seen when he went up to the

843
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: roof and just started walking around.

844
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 3: I was like, bro, let me tell you something. You know,

845
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: how need resumes?

846
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: I done lied on to beget I was like, oh,

847
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: I really got to notice that I landed the book deal.

848
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I landed my book deal.

849
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: I got the deposit in the first half of it,

850
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh shit, I gotta write the

851
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: book now, Like it just kind of hit me, like.

852
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: I I have to write the book. I get it

853
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: to go.

854
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: Take a walk up there, bruh, catch your breath, yourself saying, but.

855
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: I really ran for president and I got a government.

856
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: What goddamn somebody on it.

857
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: I saw some lady like she was like she was like,

858
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: imagine being such a criminal. So much in jail, so

859
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 2: much in trouble that you got to run for president

860
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: to stop yourself from going to jail. And then he

861
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: was like then she was like people being mad at

862
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: me for being bad at the job, Like, bitch, I

863
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: am a criminal.

864
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, of course, I'm bad at this job. Okay,

865
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: we gotta move on.

866
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: I can do this forever.

867
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: So I want to talk to you about but I'll

868
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: give you a chance to think about it. But I

869
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: kind of want you to explain the Alaska summit with

870
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: Trump and Putin, but in Detroit terms, like.

871
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: Like like talk to you like you were talking to

872
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: like talking to a little vice lord. You feel me like,

873
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: let me tell you what just happened.

874
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: Yo, hilarious, Yes, because you know the thing is in Detroit.

875
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: While there, I think you probably have found this, uh

876
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: that there there is always some presence of like bloods

877
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: and cribs in a lot of American cities, right, but

878
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: it's not very high in Detroit, you know, Like I've

879
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: heard there are some. I was like, I but I

880
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: heard there.

881
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 3: You know, y'all, y'all, y'all g d's and vice lords

882
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: up there.

883
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Now we know no vice lords is gds. That's more

884
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: of a Chicago Chicago. Yeah, yeah, that's a Chicago thing.

885
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: That's not really US. I mean, we have our gangs

886
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: are related to street. We have neighborhood. You know, Like

887
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: I grew up on a street called seven Mile, right,

888
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: So like you have people who grew up on seven

889
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: like seven mile down, you know whatever. Yeah, people who

890
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: grew up on Puritan. We call them the PA Boys.

891
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: And you know Born Avenue, that's literally what it stands for.

892
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: So it's like you have more street by street and

893
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, gang culture is not I don't. I don't

894
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: think it's very robust in Detroit, you know, frankly, And

895
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: so what I would saying is that if I were

896
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: explaining to.

897
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: You, talk to a little yn right now, like explain

898
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 2: to you, all right, so you know what I'm saying, Like,

899
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: so we could I mean, you know the high points,

900
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: you know, Trump go up there. He's trying to like

901
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: negotiate this peace treaty with the peace with the war

902
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: were wanted. The niggas ain't even here, which is already crazy.

903
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like why is you here

904
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: in the first place? You know this, you know, And

905
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 2: then anyway and then.

906
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 3: To come back.

907
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: But I don't think it would be any different than

908
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: how you would probably how you just explained it. I mean,

909
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: like we have east Side, west Side Indy Tray, right,

910
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm from the west Side, and so it would

911
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: be like, all right, east Side and I'm trying to

912
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: have this beef or trying to resolve this beef rather

913
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: that east Side and west Side. I haven't. But I'm

914
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: a dude from Southfield, Like Southfield is like like what

915
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: like okay, but I think you mentioning Zeleski not being there,

916
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: so maybe it wouldn't quite be that it would be.

917
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: It would more or less be like Southfield and the

918
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: east Side have beef. I'm the west Side and I

919
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: go to the east side because the east Side and

920
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: the west Side like they're both huge, huge real estate

921
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: and Detroit Like it's like the reason why I eight mile,

922
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: why Eminem named it that is because eight miles separates

923
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: the city from the suburbs, right, So that's why eight

924
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: miles the dividing line, and so the west the east

925
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: Side got beef with Southfield. Southfield is is a suburb.

926
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: It's like it's kind of in a way, it's our

927
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: version of Ladaria Heights. It's like, so a lot of

928
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: the people in Detroit they got a little money, they

929
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: all moved out. It's a little nicer, right, So they

930
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: those two got beef. I'm the west Side and so

931
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't even talk to Southfield. I just go talk

932
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: to the to the east Side and be like, hey,

933
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: I know we have our beef at times, but I'm

934
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: gonna capitulate to you. Were gonna negotiate a peace treaty

935
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: with Southfield between the two of us, even though Southfield

936
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: ain't even here. And it's like what It's like, who

937
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: does that?

938
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: You know?

939
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: And I guess hellcats are big in Detroit, So I

940
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: guess it's like I, as a Westsider, even though I've

941
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: had long standing beef with the east Side, I'm gonna

942
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: let the president of the east Side ride of my

943
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: hellcat to prove. I guess that like have the upper hand,

944
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: even though I look like a clown like.

945
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: It is.

946
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it is kind of startling to see

947
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: this because you know, like a I'm a Mia seventies babies,

948
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: so I'm seven thousand years old, and so I was

949
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: growing up in the time where you know, the Cold

950
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: War like Russia.

951
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: You'll fuck with Russia like Russia.

952
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: It's the reason why when Rocky four dropped, okay, guy,

953
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: and he fought Drago, all right, and he went over

954
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: there and liberated some people by beating the Russians.

955
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: Egg.

956
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: It's like Rocky took seven hundred and two shots to

957
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: the dome, but somehow he won. It's okay. So the

958
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: whole point is that growing up we had we were

959
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: inu dated with propaganda that Russia is the enemy of

960
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: the United States. So it is wild to see a

961
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: scenario where our president is sitting up there, you know,

962
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: playing foot sees with a war criminal.

963
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: Of that Bruh, who is clearly going back to the

964
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: going back to my cousin, who's clearly not scared of you.

965
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: We're speaking very calmly, Ongie. You know Trump like six

966
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 2: foot nine, you know put Putin like five two.

967
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: Did you see how Putin was looking at the White

968
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: House like he's there, like I'm on a field trip.

969
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: Like what he's smiling. He probably got some souvenirs.

970
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 3: Homie came out of this meeting.

971
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: I I if it wasn't so deadly, it would have

972
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: been the funniest thing I ever seen Putting got on

973
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: the camera and was like, so, yeah, we talked.

974
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: I think we did good.

975
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: My stance is exactly what the fuck my stance has

976
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: been the whole time. But you know what I'm saying, Like,

977
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: so we could. We came to a compromise, which was

978
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: exactly what I wanted the whole time.

979
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 3: Trump like we you know, we we like, speak up, son,

980
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: speak up. You know, maybe we'll come back to it.

981
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: We didn't get to the main thing.

982
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: What what not? What now? What? Now?

983
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: I can't hear you. You ain't get to the what.

984
00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: It's just a staggering level of incompetence. And much like

985
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: you I've said, I was like, man, this season of

986
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: America would be really fucking funny. If I didn't live here.

987
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: This would be hilarious.

988
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: If I could skip to season five, it would be great.

989
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: I have all the jokes exactly. But yeah, man, I

990
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: ain't never seen nobody like just bro like you just

991
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: like seen somebody just strike out so many times but

992
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: then walk back to the home.

993
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: He's like, nah, home, y'all did that? Like you know,

994
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: you know, you didn't know.

995
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: The analogy I thought of sometimes with Trump is and

996
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, we've all experienced this. It's like there were

997
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: people that when you were going to the club that

998
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: you were like, I can't go to the club with.

999
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: That person, right, absolutely, not.

1000
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna be fighting and it's whatever, but it's

1001
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem. It's gonna be a problem. So

1002
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: he's literally the person that you go with to the

1003
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: club that start all the shit. You wind up fighting.

1004
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: You may win these fights, and then they like claiming victory, like,

1005
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: look how tough we are, but like, we wouldn't have

1006
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: gotten none of that shit if you if you'd have

1007
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: just set your ass drink the Crown royal like everybody else.

1008
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: You know, remember when we was all like the arsonist

1009
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: who's putting out his own fire.

1010
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, the fire that unnecessary fires. Absolutely.

1011
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: We had some other political analysts on here once and

1012
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: they were they were talking about how like we've never

1013
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 2: seen anything like this, And then that's when I was like,

1014
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 2: that's cut y'all not from the hood, and I'm like, oh,

1015
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: we know, I know one hundred trumps, you know what

1016
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1017
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 3: We just but we all had sense enough to not

1018
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 3: put him in charge. So that.

1019
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: I'm curious about that analogy so like what would be

1020
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: the hood caricature of a Donald Trump that you have

1021
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: run into.

1022
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 3: So the hood.

1023
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: So to me, it's this like he's he's the street dude.

1024
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: That's like like he's a hustler, he's talker, you know,

1025
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: but it's it's almost always cap like almost everything you

1026
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: say is cap. But if we don't believe you is

1027
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: violence because you got some young dudes like that that

1028
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: you keep around you that gass you up everywhere you go.

1029
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: It's that same dude that come into the club.

1030
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: He always got four five dudes with him that listen

1031
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: to everything he say, and the rest of us is

1032
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: looking at the little dudes like what that's that's your.

1033
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: Big homie, Like he like everything he tell you, like

1034
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: we were there, like what he telling you?

1035
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: That was not that ain't happening and like you said,

1036
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: and like you said, he the one that like talking

1037
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: big whatever whatever. And then when the op coming to

1038
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: the club, he's like, hey, homie, the ops is here.

1039
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm finished slide right now. I got this chick, I'm

1040
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 2: finished slide with all.

1041
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: Girl right here.

1042
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: Y'all got this Okay, I talk to y'all tomorrow. We'll

1043
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: ball out tomorrow. I'm like you, you've been a wet

1044
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: now you know what I'm saying. It's the dude who

1045
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: like his his his his masculinity is so fragile, like

1046
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: he's so he's so cupcake that the only way to

1047
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: talk to him is the only way to get through

1048
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: to him is to gass him up first, Like I can't, like,

1049
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: that's the only way I could get you to actually

1050
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: like sit down for a second. I gotta talk about, like, okay,

1051
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: how this show blocked, this show like that that you

1052
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,479
Speaker 2: everybody's gotta like I real, I'm I'm looking I'm looking

1053
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: at this kid's face in my mind, like and when

1054
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: we everybody, we all had to coordinate to say what

1055
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: we was gonna say to him because if if the

1056
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: story somehow, he gonna he gonna because I know he

1057
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: gonna tell you, he gonna tell you this. When we

1058
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: do this, and then all of a sudden, like you said,

1059
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: then the Vothos gonna.

1060
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: Come around the corner.

1061
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: And now we gotta deal with he said this and

1062
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: this and this, and we can't cause you are homie,

1063
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: I can't like tell the votos like now you know

1064
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because it's like you from our neighborhood.

1065
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: So I can't.

1066
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: Like, then we gotta and then we got to pull

1067
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: the other dudes from the other neighborhood a side and say, hey,

1068
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: listen man, like, don't listen to anything he say. Okay,

1069
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: like like ever, just don't listen to anything he say.

1070
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 2: I know, like just pretend like he in charge, but like, listen,

1071
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: he don't listen to nothing, you say, you know what

1072
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, and it's just if we look like

1073
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: idiots now you know what I'm saying, because it and

1074
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: it's like and they and they looking across to me

1075
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: where it's like, well, I know you.

1076
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: I know that's your boy, so I know you have

1077
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: to stick up for him.

1078
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: And it's almost like like I look at the EU

1079
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: looking at the rest of America, going I get.

1080
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: It, guys, I know you got to stick up for

1081
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Speaker 3: you boy, like I feel for you.

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Speaker 1: We're just like, well, I think that's like, well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, that's a dynamic breakdown and the I often

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Speaker 1: I'm fluent in wire as in the Wire the series,

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Speaker 1: and so well to me, you know what trump is

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Speaker 1: Stringer Bell. And the reason why I say that is

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Speaker 1: because probably one of my favorite scene. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: every scene. I feel like it's my favorite scene in

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Speaker 1: the Wire but brilliant, but used to always piss me

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Speaker 1: off about Stringer bell is well one the way he

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Speaker 1: moved on DiAngelo's baby Mom. That's what's at the point.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is that was just awful, egregious.

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Speaker 4: The other thing that's awful.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I have no notes.

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Speaker 1: Terrible. But the thing is Stinger Belle was literally sitting

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Speaker 1: up in a community a community college class. And this

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Speaker 1: is no shade to community colleges because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people got to start there. But he said he took

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Speaker 1: about two ECON classes and then suddenly wanted to run

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Speaker 1: his or He talked about, we need a quorum. It's like,

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Speaker 1: my man, what are we doing here? He gonna take

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Speaker 1: the Barksdale Empire and run it like Microsoft. It's like,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: And then everybody told you no enough, yep, thank you.

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Speaker 1: And then he got over his head and he was

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Speaker 1: always throwing out these you know, I had to take

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Speaker 1: micro and macro econ when I was at Michigan State

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Speaker 1: to qualify to get into the School of Journalism, and

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Speaker 1: he taking the most basic concepts in the he's John

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Speaker 1: and trying to make it seem like he is Bill Gates,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Like what, And sir, you read the back of four books.

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Speaker 3: You read the back of them, and so it's like a.

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Speaker 1: Homie, everybody read the Art of War.

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Speaker 3: You're not doing anything.

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Speaker 1: I got it. You got your copy of the Laws

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Speaker 1: of Power to forty eight Laws of Power, and now

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Speaker 1: you think you are a master negotiator. And then he

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00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: gets in bed, of course, with some real g's, which

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Speaker 1: are politicians who can shake you down like nobody's business.

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Speaker 1: He gets totally shook down. And I will never forget

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Speaker 1: when Avon finally checked his ass and was like, that's

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Speaker 1: what you get for playing them fucking away games because

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Speaker 1: you got beneath, you got above your station, thinking your

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Speaker 1: two three credit courses was going to lead you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: And so Donald Trump very much reminds me of that

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Speaker 1: type of mentality.

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Speaker 3: Is just bullshit your way through everything.

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Speaker 1: He just gonna be his way through everything. And he

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00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: takes the very little bit of things that he knows

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Speaker 1: and positions himself often as an expert in things he

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Speaker 1: has no clue on. He does not know if flattery

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Speaker 1: is the way that people can pick your pockets and

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00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: they're constantly flattering you and you too stupid and not

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Speaker 1: saying yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's like yeah yeah, like yeah yeah, the play is

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00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: the play seems so obvious now, like after two sessions

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Speaker 2: or two terms with him, that like, oh, that's that's

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Speaker 2: what the tech bros Are doing. Like I was like, oh, y'all,

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Speaker 2: don't oh you Oh he's a lick. I get it now,

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Speaker 2: Like it took me a second to be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: oh y'all hitting the lick. Okay, well I get it.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, man, And it's and it's uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the stain of this presidency is something that

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Speaker 1: will never be arrased. Was because I think he's permanently

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Speaker 1: changed how we view office. He's permanently changed the function

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Speaker 1: of the of the president. And while I think it

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00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: would be hard for him, hard for another person to

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Speaker 1: win the way that he did, I do think there

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00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: is a blueprint there that teaches you something about how

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Speaker 1: to win elections. And you know, I've had this conversation

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Speaker 1: with a lot of Democrats and I've told them, listen,

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Speaker 1: if I were you all like the voters, because I

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Speaker 1: say this when it comes to television, like we have

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Speaker 1: black people, as you know, like in our community, one

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Speaker 1: of the constant conversations is not having enough variety in

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Speaker 1: black entertainment. So people it feels like at least two

1159
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 1: three times a year take off on BT for lack

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Speaker 1: of programming or lack of whatever, and da da da,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, well, we want to watch more elevated

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Speaker 1: programming and blah dah da da da day. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: my constant kind of counter to them because I had

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Speaker 1: this conversation with a BT executive not too long ago.

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Speaker 1: So BE was actually offered Love and Hip Hop first, really,

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Speaker 1: and they turned it down. And a big reason they

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Speaker 1: turned it down because they knew culturally that they would

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Speaker 1: get demonized if they put Love and Hip Hop on

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Speaker 1: the air. And so I say that because I'm like, uh,

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Speaker 1: I guess that was great that you had that sensibility.

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Speaker 1: But you see how big the Love and Hip Hop

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Speaker 1: franchise became. It changed everything for MTV and like MTV

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Speaker 1: like people don't even realize it used to actually show

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Speaker 1: videos on MTV anymore. So my point is that when

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Speaker 1: we had these conversations about black entertainment, everybody likes to

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Speaker 1: position themselves like they're watching PBS, and it's like, this

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Speaker 1: can't be possible because I look at the ratings and

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Speaker 1: a lot of y'all watching trash TV. But then you

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Speaker 1: get on the internet and lie about it and act like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't watch things like that. Well, how did Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives of Atlanta get four million viewers? I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: figure it out, like somehow they got it? What are.

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Speaker 3: Four million of y'all?

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Speaker 1: Lion I say this to Democratic politicians all the time.

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Speaker 1: You guys with policy, which technically you should do, right,

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Speaker 1: But voters don't care about policy. I know they don't

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Speaker 1: care because every time they.

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Speaker 3: Vote, they don't.

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Speaker 1: We would not be here right. They don't vote on

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Speaker 1: policy like we did some degree. And you know this

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Speaker 1: is going to come off as very insulting to the

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Speaker 1: American public. The American public is used to being entertained.

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Speaker 1: We're a consumption society. So what Trump figured out is

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Speaker 1: entertain them and they'll never question you. He had not

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Speaker 1: a single one policy. The only thing he could just

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Speaker 1: tell you is I'm gonna deport a bunch of people.

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Speaker 1: He didn't tell you how that was gonna tappen. He

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Speaker 1: didn't tell you the cost of how it was. He

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Speaker 1: didn't tell you anything. But they getting the fuck up

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Speaker 1: out of here. That's all he told you. He sold

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Speaker 1: them a narrative. He did not sell them policy. And

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Speaker 1: so what I would tell them is create a narrative.

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Speaker 3: That's what you see.

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Speaker 1: It's like I could tell you about the you know,

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01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: you could sell people on the infrastructure bill and all

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. When people are like, well, what

1207
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Speaker 1: does nobody do? Well, Unfortunately for most people, they're not

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Speaker 1: policy aware enough to even understand how the policy impacted

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Speaker 1: their lives. Stop selling the policy. You have to realize

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Speaker 1: you're dealing with the underinformed, politically illiterate.

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Speaker 3: Populace, and you have to like nerds. Yeah right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why Gavin Newsom has made this.

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Speaker 1: He'll turn because he realized, like, they don't give a

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Speaker 1: damn about whatever policy.

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Speaker 3: I don't care. Sit up on here and just being speaking.

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Speaker 1: All caps and just call Trump every name in the

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Speaker 1: book and that'll be enough.

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Speaker 3: And guess what.

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Speaker 1: It works.

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Speaker 2: It's really smart, man, because when somebody goes, oh, you stupid,

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Speaker 2: you sound dumb, he's like, do I does this not

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Speaker 2: sound presidential?

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's like, do you do that to your kids when

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Speaker 2: you start talking to your kids the way they talk

1227
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Speaker 2: to you, and they're like, oh, why you sound like that?

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01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: You're like, you tell me, sweetheart, is it annoying? Does

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Speaker 2: it feel disrespectful when somebody out to.

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Speaker 3: You that way? Is that how it feels? Yeah? I know,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, nah, yeah, you figured it out. It's a

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Speaker 2: narrative and it and it feels like gravel in my

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Speaker 2: mouth to uh to give Gavin newsom any you like.

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Speaker 4: Me?

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Speaker 2: Anybody slick they hair back, you can't trust you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But like, but either way, now you

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Speaker 2: figured it out, man, And even like on this uh

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Speaker 2: you know we get in here, but like even on

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Speaker 2: the like us going through the new like sort of

1241
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Speaker 2: jerrymanderin that we're trying to do over here. For the

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Speaker 2: redistricting we had, California has had a great districting system.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was independent, you had to vote on it.

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Speaker 2: That's why our district are they're like they're super competitive,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And they make sense, Like

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Speaker 2: our districts make sense. There's even understanding in California, like

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Speaker 2: legislature specifically in LA, like there's black and brown communication

1248
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Speaker 2: is like they've agreed to keep certain districts ran by

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Speaker 2: certain populations, Like there's an agreement among them and say

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Speaker 2: like like that, like as as a Latino, we will

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Speaker 2: not run for the Lahmrt Park Kintrot Frenchyall district.

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Speaker 3: We won't run for that. So you don't run for

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Speaker 3: Boyle Heights, you know what I mean. It's like absolutely,

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Speaker 3: we love it. You know what I'm saying. You understand

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Speaker 3: that district. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: It's like we've worked this out, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But it's like like like like we were saying earlier,

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Speaker 2: but it's like I we didn't at this point. We

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Speaker 2: ain't make the rules. So you could be a nerd

1260
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: and say jerrymandering is wrong. You know what Texas is

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01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: doing is wrong. It's unfair and they're cheating, And you

1262
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Speaker 2: can still stand on the sideline and say that's cheating.

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Speaker 3: It's like the but so what do you do?

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Speaker 1: Hey, listen, what did that great urban philosopher Beanie Beni

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Speaker 1: Singull teachers get down to.

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Speaker 3: Laid down, get down to laid down and gentlemen, this

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Speaker 3: is our time.

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Speaker 2: It has been field with the chef's kiss. You get out,

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Speaker 2: get down, and lay down. It's real simple, and that's

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Speaker 2: what we got to do. Jamelle, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Can you please plug all of your socials, all of

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Speaker 3: your shows?

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Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah, no people. I have a weekly podcast on

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Speaker 1: I Hire Cost Politics. It's about the relationship between sports

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Speaker 1: and politics. And I also have a YouTube channel that

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of fresh content on that and commentary,

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Speaker 1: so and across social media. I'm Jamel Hill. So I

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Speaker 1: encourage you all to check out check me out wherever.

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Speaker 3: I'm around, she's around. Thank you so much. We'll be

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Speaker 3: back next week. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: T T O S O W s ki dot com

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Speaker 2: Matthowsowski dot com. He got more music and stuff like

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Speaker 2: that on there, so gonna check out The heat. Politics

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Speaker 2: is a member of cool Zone Media, executive produced by

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Speaker 2: Sophie Lichterman, part of the iHeartMedia podcast network. Your theme

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Speaker 2: music and scoring is also by the one and overly Mattowsowski.

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Speaker 2: Still killing the beats softly, So listen. Don't let nobody

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Speaker 2: lie to you. If you understand urban living, you understand politics.

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Speaker 3: These people is not smarter than you. We'll see y'all

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Speaker 3: next week.