1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: can visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: while you're there. Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: playing along with Nathaniel Rightlift. 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: I'm just playing lo weusy. 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm just playing lone uzy. 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: Hi. 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. I'm Norah Jones and this is 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Sarah Oda. Hello. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 4: Hello. We have a very awesome episode today. We have 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 4: Grammy Award winning singer, songwriter and bandleader Nathaniel Rateliff and 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 4: his band is Nathaniel Rightliff and the Night Sweats, which 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 4: is the best band name ever. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: That's a great band name. 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 4: He's released several solo albums and then released The Night 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 4: Sweats self titled debut album in twenty fifteen. His latest 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 4: album came out in twenty twenty four called South of Here, 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 4: and alongside a steady run of touring with the band, we. 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: Had so much fun. Every time time I hear his music, 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: I stop and I listen and I'm so happy, Like 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: if I hear it on the radio or something, it 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: just always feels so good. 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 4: I know, I was so happy he could do this. 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 4: I know it's his songs are like stories. 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and his voice is incredible and it's just it 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: was really fun. 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, this one was great. In this episode, you're going 28 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 4: to hear about his sort of unexpected journey to discovering 29 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 4: who he is as an artist. You're also going to 30 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 4: hear about the art of doing the cover song, which 31 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 4: can be tricky sometimes. And as always, there's beautiful duet performances. 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 4: And this episode has extra songs in it. 33 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it has a lot more lot of songs tuned 34 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: here it is. Enjoy the episode with Nathaniel Rightliff, all right, 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: all right. 36 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 5: We got. 37 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 6: I'll wait till I stopped doing the lip drill. Hey music, 38 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 6: here we go. All right. I hear the sound it's 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 6: going through my brain. 40 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 7: I hear talk of the people. I feel little fall 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 7: and ring. I see a man crying cause the whole 42 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 7: world has let him down. 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 6: Kids are laughing in funny faces over clown. 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 8: My mind is like a spring in the clock. 45 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 2: He wonn un why. 46 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 9: I can't see, I can't think, I can't feel long 47 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 9: out of time. 48 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: I'm lumping now down. Tell me where is it gone 49 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: to me? 50 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 6: You see it starts at the beginning. 51 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: Of the end. My friend. 52 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 10: I hear thunder, and I can feel the wind. 53 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: I can see angry faces, the eyes. 54 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 11: As a man, and don't forging where can lay bleeding 55 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 11: on the ground. 56 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 3: And there's no please on and slamming. 57 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: We can be fine. 58 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 12: Solby stabbings and shootings and young men dying all around, 59 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 12: and it keeps golding through my brain. 60 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 6: I can steal Look you the sound. 61 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: I hear talking of people. The world is going and safe. 62 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: Oh this level is. 63 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 10: The falling ray. Old left is the falling ray. 64 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: And oh, d left is the falling ring. 65 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: That was awesome. 66 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I like that. What a great tune, such 67 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 6: a good The whole record is good, so good. 68 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: I love that record. 69 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 6: It took me a while to find that one. Actually, 70 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 6: I was given that at Richard Swift's memorial service. Really yeah. 71 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 6: People were instructed to like, bring a piece of vinyl 72 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 6: and exchange it with somebody else. 73 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: Oh wow, what a beautiful way to yeah and do that. 74 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 6: A lot of people forgot. But then a really close 75 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 6: friend of Richard's gave me a copy of that, and 76 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 6: he's like, you know, this is one Richard's favorite records. 77 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: You didn't know yet. 78 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 6: I didn't know it. I knew link ray from like 79 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 6: Yeah Rumble. 80 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 13: Don't Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah do such a killer three 81 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 13: chord song. 82 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: Is the best, the best. 83 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: I remember. 84 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 6: I knew that because I used to like I got 85 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 6: my first little Fender champ, like a silver faced one, 86 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 6: like vibro champ from my uncle from Big Iron, my 87 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 6: uncle Alarney, and I would just like play that on 88 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 6: everything on tin that's great, you know, and then play 89 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 6: to Rumble. 90 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: I think that's the best song for a new guitar 91 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: player to learn. 92 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 6: You're slaying. 93 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just feels like you're doing it. Yeah, and 94 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: even that little figure is not hard to get. 95 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm not going to attempt it right now. 96 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: You can do it. 97 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 6: You can go go yeah like a total ship. Yeah, 98 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 6: but yeah you just. 99 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 100 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 6: But it's also fun to just put like noise canceling 101 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 6: headphones on now and listen to that record, and if 102 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 6: you have headphones on, you can tell that, like the 103 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 6: main vocal is just done over a scratch. Take the 104 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 6: double yeah, okay, doubles just. 105 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: I love the double Yeah, that totally makes sense. 106 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 6: But it doesn't line up, like it's really messy. Like 107 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 6: I think the whole record is so cool and viby 108 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 6: and actually sounds rad but it's just so messy, And 109 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 6: I think it's a great example of music doesn't have 110 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 6: to It never has to be perfect, you know, like matter. 111 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: If it's not. 112 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, well people haven't, like I feel like a lot 113 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 6: of young people and I certainly did, like I had 114 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 6: an expectation of what like a recording experiences is supposed 115 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 6: to be. Yeah, but it really is about like feel 116 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 6: and fun, you know, like if you're having a good time, 117 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 6: it's probably going to be what you want. 118 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: It's about the emotion, capturing the emotions. Yeah, yeah, and 119 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: it can be messy, but I also. 120 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 6: Feel like there's a way to make your voice very emotive, 121 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 6: and it's like you're going there without going there, yeah 122 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like you can sound away, 123 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 6: like you don't have to cry on every take, but 124 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 6: those are beautiful moments when they happen. But I certainly 125 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 6: had an expectation when I was younger that like everything 126 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 6: had to have that kind of feeling, it had to 127 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 6: like really mean something. And I think it still gets 128 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 6: across the emotions. 129 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: Well, if the emotion of the song is in you, 130 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: you don't have to cut yourself exactly yeah, and bleed 131 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: on the tape exactly, you know. Yeah, yeah, I love that. 132 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you wanted to talk about Richard 133 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: Swift a little. 134 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 6: I'd love to. I love Richard. I think about him 135 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 6: every day. I actually carry like a little traveling of 136 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 6: frenda and I have like I set up a polaroid 137 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 6: to Richard and my father and like little trinkets and 138 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 6: then oh wow, and some of it is a way 139 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 6: that like when you're moving all the time, like then 140 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 6: there's like there's a familiar sense, you know, it takes. 141 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: That sense of yeah, when you're traveling. 142 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 6: And then yeah, and I just like I like that 143 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 6: I don't do anything like that. No, I should just 144 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 6: get something. 145 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: I should you know, I think I would enjoy it. Yeah, yeah, 146 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: the ritual. 147 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 6: That kind of stuff. So but you know, I love flowers, 148 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 6: and you know, at a certain point you can start 149 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 6: to ask for things and it's not like a terrible 150 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 6: thing to ask for. It took me a long time. 151 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: To make flowers. 152 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 6: Yeah, you can ask for flowers in your green room. 153 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 6: So I just get to I get lilies every day, 154 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 6: and so then those are all familiar sense that I 155 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 6: really enjoy and they're like peaceful so like to where 156 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 6: it can be chaotic, and you know, like I feel 157 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 6: like it was hard to even ask for my own 158 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 6: dressing room for a long time because then I felt 159 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 6: like I was trying to. 160 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: Like because you're in a band, yeah yeah. 161 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 6: But I'm not trying to like exclude myself or elevate 162 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 6: myself to a different place. It's really like there's different 163 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 6: things required of me, you know. And like even though 164 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 6: they had a realization the other day when I was 165 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 6: doing something with the Colorado Symphony and it was like 166 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 6: five guys in the band, like me and four of 167 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 6: the guys in the band and then two other singers, 168 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 6: and I like walked into the green room and everybody 169 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 6: was there, and there's like four conversations going on, you know, 170 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 6: tour managers asking me questions, production managers ask me questions, 171 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 6: assistants asking me questions. I was like, and I got 172 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 6: to do a twenty minute vocal warm up, and I 173 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 6: was like, I can't. I can't actually be in this room. 174 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 6: There's like too much chaos, and like I have to 175 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 6: find my center, you know. Yeah, And I used to 176 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 6: never really do that. I used to just feel like 177 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 6: I was like kind of spinning out a lot, you know, 178 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 6: and so all those things are like ways to to 179 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 6: find like some sort of peaceful spot then to move 180 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 6: outward from there. 181 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 14: You know. 182 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: Background noise is a problem, I think. 183 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 6: Yeah, I can multitask, but I can't have multiple conversations 184 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 6: at once. Yeah, you know, like I can dovetail on 185 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 6: the stove or do a bunch of things, but like 186 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 6: conversation with music and my hearing's a little appropriate for 187 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 6: my age and the amount of heavy equipment and loud 188 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 6: stuff I've been around, so like, you know, it's not 189 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 6: like terrible, but it gets too much at once, is 190 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 6: like sense you overload from. 191 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets overwhelming. The questions, the constant questions is 192 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: hard too. 193 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, sometimes you just want to be alone, like 194 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 6: left alone. 195 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: When can I be alone? I don't know, maybe later today. 196 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 6: I know it's one of the things I worry about 197 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 6: having kids sometimes. 198 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, they won't let you be alone. But 199 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: it's fun. 200 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: You know. 201 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: They're full of struggles too, but it's pretty fun. Yeah. 202 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 6: But back to the Richard thing. Richard, like it was 203 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 6: just an interesting period in my life because I'd been 204 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 6: like a singer songwriter for years and toured, and I 205 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 6: was kind of ready to give up, you know. And 206 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 6: I had been a gardener, was doing fine gardening and 207 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 6: landscaping and touring at the same time. 208 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 4: Wow. 209 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 6: But it was nice because I could come home and 210 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 6: do a job I really liked. I was good at it, 211 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 6: and so and grew up doing a lot of that 212 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 6: kind of work. When I was supposed to be in 213 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 6: high school as a janitor and a grounds for a 214 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 6: high school. So real, it was sort of like kind 215 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 6: of like good real hunting. But I wasn't like solving 216 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 6: any math problems at night. So but that movie is 217 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 6: definitely written about me. Oh and I remember I was 218 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 6: just wanted to like create something that like I always 219 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 6: love R and B in soul and I just started 220 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 6: doing demos in my house. And I was on tour 221 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 6: with somebody who was friends with Richard. I had met 222 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 6: Richard briefly. We crossed paths because of Delta Spirit when 223 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 6: I was on tour with them and we were in 224 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 6: the UK, and he happened to be there and popped 225 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 6: in and we hung out in the green room and 226 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 6: chatted and the years, you know, and then it would 227 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 6: have been several years later that I was working on 228 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 6: these demos just kind of as a way, like a 229 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 6: song exploration with really no like they just you know, 230 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 6: sometimes stuff just starts to show up. It just starts 231 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 6: to come out of you, and so you end up 232 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 6: being like a conduit or the vessel. Sorry, it's a 233 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 6: very long winded explanation. It's seven hour. So I ended 234 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 6: up getting connected with Richard again because a friend who 235 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 6: was on tour with me gave me his number after 236 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 6: I played her a couple of the demos. She was like, 237 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 6: you should send this to Richard. I send it to him, 238 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 6: and then I just got like a cold call in 239 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 6: the middle of the night, middle of the night, well 240 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 6: like late at night, like ten thirty, you know, and 241 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 6: he was like, hey, it's Richard. 242 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 15: You know. 243 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 6: I was like, hey man, how's going. Oh good, you know, 244 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 6: just like listening. He's pretty cool. What's your process? I 245 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 6: was like, oh, like one mic and move around the room. 246 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 6: He's like, it's pretty much what I do. 247 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: That's cute. Yeah, it's like it's like you're a junior high. 248 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was oh yeah, it's like cong what do 249 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 6: I do? And I was like it is not what 250 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 6: he does, you know. And then we just started to talk. 251 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 6: And at the time I had also like I originally 252 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 6: got signed around to records as a singer song right, 253 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 6: and that sort of like when I went to Present, 254 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 6: I had like, I don't know, twenty some odd songs 255 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 6: for my second record, and I was really excited about 256 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 6: those demos and always enjoyed the process of demoing stuff 257 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 6: by myself. 258 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: It's hard to beat those, I think sometimes. 259 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, the demo itis is a real thing. 260 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: I mean I prefer them. 261 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 6: I do too. 262 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: I usually use them. 263 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 6: I use them or sometimes I've started. I found a 264 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 6: trick that I would just if I like the demo 265 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 6: so much and we weren't recreating it, I would be like, 266 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 6: play the demo and I am going to use the 267 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 6: demo as like a scratch, yeah, you know, and then 268 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 6: kind of follow the feel on the movie, make it 269 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 6: a little bit exactly. 270 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: And then so. 271 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 6: You know, I went to like present these demos to 272 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 6: round of Records, and they just didn't get it, and 273 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 6: so I was that record never got made through them. 274 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 6: I got dropped. And then even my whole record first 275 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 6: release was just like kind of you know it, it 276 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 6: kind of got shelves. 277 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: You went to the spin cycle of the record business. 278 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, and then you know, just like hard because I 279 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 6: had a band, but I was like signed as a 280 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 6: solo artist. And then your band's like resentful as well 281 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 6: because they're like I thought we were a band. 282 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: That's a whole other dynamic. Nobody really realizes. Yeah, it's 283 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: a real thing. 284 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 6: And and labels aren't really good at like they don't care. 285 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 6: They're not trying to bring people together. You know, there 286 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 6: are a bunch of squares that they don't know how 287 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 6: a lot of people get jobs in the industry. But 288 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 6: there are great people in the industry and I've been 289 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 6: blessed to work with a lot of them. And so 290 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 6: then I like co produced and self released with the 291 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 6: help of my management the next record. And it was 292 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 6: just a struggle, you know, and I like, it's like 293 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 6: how long can you play small rooms and not get anywhere? 294 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 6: And it was just like the travel is hard. At 295 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 6: the time, I was married and I was raising my daughter, 296 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 6: and then Concord came to me, which was funny because 297 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 6: they had bought round her. And then I got dropped. 298 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Then they came back. 299 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 300 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 6: After I so I released one record on my own. 301 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 6: It was working on EP and then started the night 302 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 6: sweat stuff, and I was I was really reluctant to 303 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 6: work with them because you know, to get dropped from 304 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 6: a label is just like heartbreaking when you you know, 305 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 6: it's just really there. And I feel like I always 306 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 6: right at the start of the end of artists development, 307 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 6: you know, where like they don't they don't nurture artists 308 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 6: anymore if you can't have a blow up hit, Like 309 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 6: I feel so much for people that are just like 310 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 6: in the van doing the work because I did that 311 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 6: for so long, and like most of my career until 312 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 6: the past ten years was that, you know, but you 313 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 6: need time to discover like who you are as a 314 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 6: songwriter and as a performer, you know. And I feel 315 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 6: for the people that go from nothing to stadiums, you know, like, yeah, but. 316 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: Social media, they get enough followers and then all of 317 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: a sudden they're in a stadium and they barely right 318 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: out playing clubs. 319 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 6: But then it's even hard to like how you build 320 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 6: your team and the people that surround you. Then are 321 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 6: you like only surrounded by yes people? Are you only 322 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 6: surrounded by people that are interested in the amount of 323 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 6: revenue they can generate from you? And yeah, and you know, 324 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 6: bolster their own careers and their own finances. So it's tricky, yeah, 325 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 6: and there's like so many pitfalls to that, you know. Yeah, 326 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 6: but I ended up signing with Concord, and Concord also 327 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 6: ever works with Stax Records, and so in the process 328 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 6: of making the record with Richard, I was like, I, 329 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 6: you know, like the Stacks catalog was a huge influence 330 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 6: in the southern soul sound on that first record, and 331 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 6: so it ended up coming out on Stacks and Matt 332 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 6: Marshall was my A and R guy there together, and yeah, 333 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 6: and Matt has always been really supportive. That's the other 334 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 6: is like with with Concord, They've never been like, we 335 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 6: don't like this, go back, yeah, and go back and 336 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 6: work on more. I've just always been like, this is 337 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 6: the record, this is what I want to do. It's great, 338 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 6: you know, And I don't think people get that a lot. 339 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 6: So I feel blessed on that. 340 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel lucky in that way too. Yeah, 341 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: it's tricky people chasing things. That's not how I feel 342 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: like music should be. 343 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 6: Yeah. 344 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: It's one thing to be inspired or ambitious, but it's 345 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: another thing to chase something that isn't inspired, you know. Quite. 346 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 6: I know. We were talking about Richard and I just keep 347 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 6: telling you far more information. 348 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 4: You know. 349 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: It was great. 350 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: It was a good like lead up to how it 351 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: all happened, and then worked with him. 352 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 6: Then we met. I met Richard and it was like 353 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 6: I went out there alone because I didn't really The 354 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 6: Night Sweats weren't a band. It was just me and 355 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 6: the Attic. Yeah, Richard and I like it was like 356 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 6: a kindred spirit immediately. 357 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 358 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 6: And he would even be like, oh, it's like you're 359 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 6: my twin, you know, and I would like and we 360 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 6: were like we were partying, like you know, like just 361 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 6: drinking like not no drugs weed, He's not drugs, you know, 362 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 6: and we just really drank. We really went for it. 363 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 6: But that aside, like our our ability to work together 364 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 6: in his his sens of melody and his ability in 365 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 6: the studio to just like crank shit out because essentially 366 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 6: we would like get a song done in four hours. 367 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: And you would just both play everything and yeah. 368 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, I started off on drums as a kid, so 369 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 6: I can play drums. Rich could play drums, He would 370 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 6: play keys, and then yeah, just play guitar and bass, 371 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 6: and then we overdubbed horns later on, we didn't even 372 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 6: have horns on. 373 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: That stuff like that record. I think that's my favorite 374 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: way to work. Yeah, if you have the right chemistry. 375 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: That's how I work with. 376 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 6: Leon, Yeah, because you can work so fast. 377 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just so and then it still sounds 378 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: organic and sort of off the cuff even though it's 379 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: all overdubbed kind of. 380 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 6: Have you done more than one record with Leon? 381 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: I did two records with the most recent one was him, 382 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: But I mean we did have a band on a 383 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: few songs and it was amazing, But I just I think. 384 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 6: Was that like Tommy and No I used. 385 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: My drummer, Brian Blade, but but it's really Leon on 386 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: drums on more than half of the record. Because the 387 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: demos were fun and they sounded great, so we just 388 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: didn't end up redoing them. 389 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 6: I love it. 390 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think it's just such a 391 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: fun way to work. 392 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 6: You know, there's good and there's bad things about having 393 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 6: a lot of people in the room, you know, and 394 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 6: I even like it could be magical, but it can be. 395 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 6: But sometimes too many cooks in the kitchen just makes 396 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 6: for a terrible meal. And and so sometimes the like 397 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 6: the two voices and two ideas. Yeah, that was The 398 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 6: other funny thing is like the song that Richard first chose, 399 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 6: Like the first day, it was like I felt like 400 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 6: the door is song I brought in that was sort 401 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 6: of like he was like, let's do this one, Like 402 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 6: what yeah, you know. But but now in hindsight, I 403 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 6: realized it was like for the first day of getting 404 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 6: comfortable together and getting sounds and and then you know, 405 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 6: like from a producer's perspective, watching somebody else work and 406 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 6: then trying to understand that now it makes a lot 407 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 6: more sense than I did then. 408 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that's cool. What's that song you said, 409 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: get used to the Night? 410 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, you want to do that? I do? 411 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: I do kind of relates, it. 412 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 6: Does trying to remember is it four or five? 413 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: This is from the newer album? 414 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 6: This is from yeah, and so this actually I after, 415 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 6: you know, I started working on some songs that, like, 416 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 6: during the second record I was doing with Richard, I 417 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 6: was actually starting to go through a divorce as well, 418 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 6: and there's some songs that like I'd played for Richard. 419 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 6: I was like, this is not for the night sweats, 420 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 6: this is like something else, and he was like, whoa, 421 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 6: it's like I like that He's like can never be 422 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 6: too Nielsen, you know. And so we had plans to 423 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 6: make this like solo record after the second one, and 424 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 6: he was going through separation as well, and we were 425 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 6: both struggling with alcoholism. Like we could disappear together and 426 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 6: get hammered, or we would be each other's support systems too, 427 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 6: you know. Yeah, And so I ended up making that 428 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 6: record without Richard after he passed away, and so I 429 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 6: kind of wrote a lot of the songs from that 430 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 6: space of like, like how do we recognize that brokenness 431 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 6: that's in us that I feel it's like a part 432 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 6: of human experience without letting it like take you. 433 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: Drag you back in. Do you think that the part 434 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: of that cycle with the addiction was writing songs out 435 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: of it on a certain part of the circle. 436 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 6: I think I think the songs because in the way 437 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 6: I write sometimes there can be a lot of stream 438 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 6: of conscious stuff, and so you're not really aware of 439 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 6: what you're talking about until you like take a step 440 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 6: back and like hear what you're saying, and that can 441 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 6: be heartbreaking to then see yourself in the lyrics in 442 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 6: a way that you can't in your own life. You know. 443 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 6: So there's some like lines in here that I feel 444 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 6: like reference, Like the I used to stay home and 445 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 6: writhe in my bed is like just about having delirium trimmers. 446 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 6: So and then even the title and the line get 447 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 6: used to the night that, however crass it sounds, is 448 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 6: like it's like it used to being dead. 449 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: So let's do this, let's I love it. 450 00:24:59,280 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 5: All right, here we go. 451 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: You used to get around, You found one. 452 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 6: One to get around and wanted to. 453 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 16: Get Now feel the name like sold man, he lost day. 454 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 16: He used to stay on and rise in my bed. 455 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: I wish I could retire. Are you still hard with? 456 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: I used to do card whills to land on my head. 457 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: I used to annoy it all can mess man. 458 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: Used to be a proud fucking fool. You running. 459 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: I cat man. 460 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 16: It's still so much love for me to. 461 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: Do you most name. 462 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 8: This ain't your town going wrong? 463 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 3: Down the one with I gotta hide myself. 464 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 9: From the storm. 465 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: I don't know how long I will. You found some. 466 00:26:53,359 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 3: One to get around, and one again used to do all. 467 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: A got the black down just be time been used. 468 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: You could be sere that day used to solve. 469 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 14: I used to be you. 470 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 3: It used to now. 471 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: Could you see the name. 472 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: That's beautiful. That's a beautiful song. 473 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 6: Thank you. 474 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: It's crazy knowing things about a song I'm hearing it, 475 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: you know. 476 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 6: Well, it's funny because I feel like, you know, even 477 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 6: like the writers I love, Like when I was growing up, 478 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 6: you just didn't hear the inside scoop on a Bob 479 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 6: Dylan song or Leonard Cohen or townsmand Zant. You know, 480 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 6: those are all like secrets. And now the way we 481 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 6: work is like everybody wants to know everything and. 482 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: They feel like they're entitled to it. 483 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm happy to share it. 484 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: I think if you're happy to share it, then it's great. 485 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 6: Yeah. But it's also like but like in terms of 486 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 6: like social media, sometimes it feels so forced or like 487 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 6: my least favorite thing to do is like an ep 488 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 6: k oh yeah, and they're like, tell me what this 489 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 6: song is about. 490 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 17: I was like, like, now, why don't you use your brain? 491 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 6: Yeah? 492 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: I was like, it took me a long time to forgos. 493 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 6: I have no education. This is hard for me, you know, Like, 494 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 6: but yeah, I don't know, It's it's funny. 495 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: I'm not really I'm not really into sharing what things 496 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: are about usually, but it might be because I find 497 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: some of the things either too personal obviously, but also 498 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: some things might be not as deep as people might 499 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: think it is. 500 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, but but I like I understand like there 501 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 6: are certain like certainly in the past, I had written 502 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 6: stuff where I was it was stuff I was having 503 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 6: a hard time saying in my life. Yeah, like you 504 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 6: don't want to like give that away and you're electronic 505 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 6: press kit. No, no, you know what I mean to be, like, 506 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 6: I'm struggling with my marriage and this and that, you 507 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 6: know business. 508 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yeah, I know. And also I think that 509 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: sometimes it's a way to deal with that stuff without 510 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: having to look at it or say it out loud. 511 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like therapy in a way. But it 512 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: is songs. You know, you're writing it to get out. 513 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: I remember I wrote a whole batch of songs once 514 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: and I had no idea what I was writing until 515 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: a year later. 516 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know exactly. 517 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: It just happens. 518 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 6: Yes, Well, you. 519 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: Know there's this one song in yours that I mean, 520 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: I think it's it's just makes me emotional every single 521 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: time I hear it, and it's the and it's still 522 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: all right. I just love this song. 523 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 6: That was also a song for Richard. In the process 524 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 6: of making that record, Yeah, I didn't really have that, 525 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 6: you know, I didn't have a title, didn't have anything. 526 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 6: And we actually went back to National Freedom his studio, 527 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 6: and I went with Patrick Meuse who played drums, and 528 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 6: Patrick was the only other person I played music with 529 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 6: that I brought to the first session with Richard. And 530 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 6: then once Richard figured out that Pack could also do 531 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 6: pro tools and played drums and other stuff, then he 532 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 6: was just like, why don't you go do that bad 533 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 6: you know, like Mace, go do this. So yeah, he 534 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 6: utilized it. Like Richard's best approach to everything was was 535 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 6: true laziness, honestly, you. 536 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. 537 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 6: Like sometimes like that's good, that's good, but it was 538 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 6: really like to just go back into National Freedom, you know, 539 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 6: Richard burns so much Polisanto, like the place smells a 540 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 6: certain way, it sounds a certain way, and like, you know, 541 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 6: even when I listened to like a Damian Gerardo record 542 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 6: or other people that Richard had produced and did in 543 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 6: that study, like you can hear the sound of the room, 544 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 6: you can hear you I hear what the floor sounds, 545 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 6: you know what I mean? Like it's very familiar. Yeah, 546 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 6: it's a character in its own it's still there, it is, 547 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 6: yeah okay, and it's still being used. I've popped in 548 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 6: since a couple of times, and there's just like a 549 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 6: there's a spirit in the place for sure, you know. 550 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 9: Yeah. 551 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 6: I don't know if it's Richard's, but it's like maybe 552 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 6: just all the music that was made there still lives 553 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 6: in that room. 554 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: So those kinds of places are really special. 555 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 556 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, So I might cry at this one. 557 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 6: I actually I wrote this one morning. This is like 558 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 6: a song I kind of started in a hotel room 559 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 6: before Richard's memorial, And I feel like it is like 560 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 6: the observation of yeah, like humanity, human experience is difficult, 561 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 6: but it's always going to be okay, you know. 562 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: I think that's why it makes me cry. It's so 563 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: emotional and so relatable, you know, and simple it is, 564 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: which is the best. That's the best kind of song. 565 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 6: I love it. It's like, as my interpretation of John 566 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 6: Pryan's just a couple of chords. 567 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 18: It's all you all right, you're ready. 568 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 8: Ain't all right? 569 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 19: The hardness of my head, close your right, spinning around and. 570 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 7: Say hard times when you could find it. 571 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 6: Ain't the way that you want, but it's still all right. 572 00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 8: Lead at night you lay around on accounting all the lights. 573 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: It means so funny now say times are hard. 574 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 3: You get this far, but ain't the witch you want. 575 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 3: I'll be damned it's old man. 576 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 14: Don't start to count this losses. 577 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 3: But it's still all right. Seeing learn a lot out there, 578 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 3: all the scorch and burn. Gonna have to bury your friends. 579 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 3: Then you finally gets worse standing out it. But you 580 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 3: know why they get darned. Stop praying for wings scroll, 581 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 3: I'll baby, just let gold. 582 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 8: It ain't all right. 583 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 20: I'm spending out ahead, and it was cold outside when 584 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 20: I hit the guard. 585 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 3: See I could sleep here and get on the field 586 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 3: of me big time. 587 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 10: To grow. 588 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: The limit. I don't know. 589 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 2: Now, hey, tonight to think about. 590 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 21: Remembering all the time you pointed osa glass is clear. 591 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 21: But all this fear starts even Mark idle him. 592 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 3: The bullet stands for your time in the dark. 593 00:36:40,840 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 22: But it's still al right, so pretty the no tears. 594 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 6: You made it through that I. 595 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: Made it through. But that's a beautiful song. 596 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 6: Thank you. 597 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: That's just one of those songs. 598 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 6: Thank you. 599 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 1: You hear it once and it's just like whoa kind 600 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: of sticks on you. 601 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like songs sometimes you just like 602 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 6: a they come out of nowhere and they feel like 603 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 6: a blessing. 604 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: Those are definitely the best ones. Yeah, it's my favorite 605 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: kind of songwriting. When it just happens, I know, I 606 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: love it. I love it. When did you start writing songs? 607 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: Were you little bitty? 608 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have been a teenager. 609 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 610 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 6: I first started playing drums. I got my first drum 611 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 6: kid when I was seven. 612 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: Oh cool. 613 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 6: My mom and dad played music in church and like 614 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 6: sort of a Christian, non denominational kind of thing that 615 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 6: was like kind of kind of radical, you know in 616 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 6: terms of like yeah, and my dad like in the 617 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,959 Speaker 6: seventies was prayed for and healed of cancer were kits 618 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 6: and foma and pancreatitis. 619 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: Wow. 620 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 6: And so we kind of went from church to church 621 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,760 Speaker 6: and my dad would give his testimony and my mom 622 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 6: and him also wrote religious songs together. But also like 623 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 6: you know, my mom was like a big James Taylor, 624 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 6: Jim Crochey, Gordon Lightfoot. Yeah, and that was kind of 625 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 6: like what was in the house a lot. My dad 626 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 6: played harmonica and saying harmony and what did she play. 627 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 6: She played twelve STRINGO, you know, it's all string. Guitar 628 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 6: was always her instrument of choice. 629 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: Well that's a hard choice to me. 630 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know I remember like, yeah, when my 631 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 6: uncle got her her first like Martin. And it's crazy 632 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 6: because my parents are so young, Like I remember my 633 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,479 Speaker 6: mom turning twenty nine. 634 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 635 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's crazy to be kids having kids, but so 636 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 6: we you know, we spent a lot of time in 637 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 6: church and singing. 638 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: So did they get your drum kits so you could 639 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: complete the band? 640 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 6: I think I just wanted to play drum, and then 641 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 6: when I was probably eleven or twelve, I got interested 642 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 6: in guitar. But then it really took me a while 643 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 6: to like really find my way around it. I think 644 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 6: like my dad passed away when I was about thirteen, 645 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,720 Speaker 6: and that's when I kind of got into playing guitar. Wow, 646 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 6: And my mom taught me a couple of chords, and 647 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 6: then immediately I just wouldn't like make up songs. 648 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: That's great, but. 649 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 6: I was also like like in my younger years, like 650 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 6: they would make me sing harmony in church, and I 651 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 6: was like so afraid of singing really yeah, just yeah, 652 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 6: I was very not confident and very shy about it. Yeah, 653 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 6: just like a scared, little chubby kid. You know. I 654 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 6: have an older sister who's two years older, and then 655 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 6: I have a half brother that is twenty years younger 656 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 6: than me. So yeah, but yeah, so my sister was 657 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 6: bossy and trying to tell me what to do, I know, 658 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 6: but then I was also like a you know, I 659 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 6: would hum and didn't know people could hear it. So 660 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 6: I was definitely put in special classes at one point 661 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 6: because they thought I was a special needs kid, and 662 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 6: I probably was. But luckily it was before the era 663 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 6: of medication, and I missed out on all that free 664 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 6: speed you know. 665 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 17: Yeah, oh my god, sorry, which I could only imagine 666 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 17: would have really messed me up. 667 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: But that's a whole yeah yeah, factory. 668 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 6: But yeah I don't. Yeah, So like guitar, it was 669 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 6: just that I never really wanted to be a songwriter. 670 00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 6: I like loved Kendrick and Greg Allman and and yeah, 671 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 6: I just kind of wrote like some songs would be 672 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 6: like making fun of my sister, Yeah, just anything, you know, yeah, 673 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 6: like someone it would be goofy. And then it became 674 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 6: like love songs pretty quick because I did not know 675 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 6: how to like. Yeah, it was pretty lonely and and 676 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 6: never really knew if people liked me or not, so 677 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 6: I would just be like, there's no way that's ever 678 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 6: going to happen. I just want to hug you, yeah, 679 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 6: and then just be. 680 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: Like and then you'd write a song about it. But 681 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: isn't that kind of what all songs? 682 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 15: Yeah? 683 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 6: And it started that way, and I'm kind of still 684 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 6: the same really, Yeah, I just like more intense, so. 685 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow, that's really Is this all okay? 686 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 6: Is it all seemed like too? Because I'm not really depressed. 687 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 6: I just hope it doesn't seem like too much of 688 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 6: a downer, you know. 689 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 1: It's really I think it's really special when people share. 690 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: I think what you're sharing is really pretty deep and 691 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm not depressed by hearing it at all. And I 692 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: thank you for sharing it all because I think, you know, 693 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: if you feel comfortable sharing, that's the real stuff. That's 694 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: what people can relate to, is the real thing, And 695 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: I think it's very helpful. It's helpful for me right now. 696 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. 697 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful. 698 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 6: We still got two more. 699 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you want to? 700 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 6: I want to do mayvis in South here? 701 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love those. 702 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 11: Here. 703 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this song. 704 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 6: So you know, we both are friends with Mavis. 705 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: I think the last time I saw you it. 706 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 6: Was with mAb's birthday birthday. Since saying I haven't even 707 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 6: like Mavis and I have like our friendship has grown, 708 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 6: you know, and it's been like years of like every 709 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 6: time I see her, uh, you know, and she calls 710 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 6: me montana, which I've learned means motherfucker. Did you know 711 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 6: that he did not? Yeah, the spencer Spencer tweety told 712 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 6: me that he was just like, oh, that means motherfucker. 713 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 6: He's like they weren't, you know, like Staples weren't allowed 714 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 6: to curse. So she's kind of like, man, you're a motherfucker. 715 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 6: Is like her being like, oh, mom. 716 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: Dona, that's so cute, you know. 717 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 6: And and I just I like I cherish every moment 718 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 6: that I get with her, and and I just I 719 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 6: honestly just like I feel like that makes me incredible. 720 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: I know she's the best. 721 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 6: Like I feel like people should have so much reverence 722 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 6: for her, you know. Yeah, And I just like anytime 723 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 6: around her, like her to be uplifted, to like the beauty, 724 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 6: and like I just want people to see that because 725 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 6: the amount of influences she's had, and like I know, 726 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 6: HBO did a documentary on her, but it like it 727 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 6: just it doesn't tell the story that you get from 728 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 6: Mavis when she's telling you stories, you know, And I 729 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,359 Speaker 6: was like, wow, I wish there was like I could 730 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 6: hear more of that and and the beauty in that, 731 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 6: and like just how much her and her family has 732 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 6: had an impact on modern music. You know, Sorry, I can. 733 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: I don't have Yeah, that's amazing. 734 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 6: You you know, I thought it was gross. My dad 735 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 6: always had one, but it's really convenient. 736 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. 737 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 5: Sorry, I got all Yeah, but all right, you know. 738 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 15: The words, you know, the words being with you. 739 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 3: You know the nights. 740 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:52,280 Speaker 23: Another nights that they got seen you go on away, 741 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 23: go on the way I do not own. 742 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 3: You, and you've been last knowing the way I do. 743 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 14: I do for you, No la scene. 744 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:48,240 Speaker 24: I do for you, oh man. 745 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 2: Any other times said your feet would move so fast 746 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 2: you couldn't. 747 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 3: See gone all the days. 748 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 9: When you could started hit and no run me down 749 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 9: on the lights, down on the lights, said even up. 750 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 9: I recalled the time. 751 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 18: You and my. 752 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 3: No time your bad. Your teeth was always just a smile. 753 00:46:53,480 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 18: To me, it was I. 754 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 6: I couldn't remember how it ended the right way, So 755 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 6: that's him. 756 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 2: That was great. 757 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, because there's all. 758 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 2: The time recall it time. 759 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it goes up. 760 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 6: I recall the time. 761 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 3: You were man all the time you'll be. 762 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 6: Oh though, it's just a smile to me. 763 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: That works. 764 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 6: We also, you know, it's I feel like that song 765 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 6: like just I think I call it maybe's because it 766 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,439 Speaker 6: kind of like made me feel like going to church, 767 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 6: you know, with all the the vocals. And when I 768 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 6: first toured that record, it was like a solo record 769 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:31,439 Speaker 6: with a ten piece band. Oh my god, but we didn't. 770 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 6: It was a bum when we only got to do 771 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 6: that record because it came out on February fourteenth to 772 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 6: twenty twenty. We played ten shows and then we actually 773 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 6: got to New York and we're already starting to get like, 774 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 6: you know, messages from people on social media like I 775 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 6: can't believe you guys, like I can't come, Like it 776 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 6: doesn't feel safe. 777 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,799 Speaker 3: And nobody knew it. Yeah. 778 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just such you know, like you pour 779 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 6: your heart into something and it means so much, and 780 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 6: I know this happens all the time, and it happened 781 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 6: to a lot of people who put out record at 782 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:05,040 Speaker 6: the same time. But luckily, I feel like those records 783 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 6: became the soundtrack to their pandemic, you know. 784 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 1: Especially that record, it had such an intimate feel. 785 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 6: You know, I look forward to making another record like that. Yeah, 786 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 6: And I don't know if that's what. 787 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: I'll do next or you know, follow the follow whatever 788 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: past that you get pulled on. 789 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 6: I think it as it comes, I do, you know, 790 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 6: I feel like for my you know, I've been really 791 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 6: fortunate in my career and then I always just kind 792 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,479 Speaker 6: of like did what felt best, you know, And there's 793 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 6: been a couple of detours where I feel like I 794 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 6: I just didn't know any better. That reassures that, like 795 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 6: you should have just stuck to your gut. That like, 796 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,719 Speaker 6: your initial feeling is generally the one to go. It, like, 797 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,320 Speaker 6: your initial gut instinct is like, if you feel that, 798 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 6: don't question that. And I like want younger artists to 799 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,080 Speaker 6: know that, ye just be like if you feel something like, 800 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,320 Speaker 6: don't be misled by what someone's trying to tell you 801 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 6: how your career could go, because there's no guarantee of 802 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:07,279 Speaker 6: any of that. 803 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: It's true, you don't want to do. 804 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 6: Anything you regret exactly. 805 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 1: You don't like even if it's just a bad song, 806 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,439 Speaker 1: especially it's a bad song. 807 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 6: But I certainly throughout my career, like earlier, for sure, 808 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 6: like songs that like, you know, management label would be like, oh, 809 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 6: this song could be a radio I was like, I 810 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 6: don't want to push that, and I probably shot myself 811 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,200 Speaker 6: from the foot. Yeah, you know, but I think it 812 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 6: would have been like or not pantering to a trend 813 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 6: at the time, And yeah, I might have elevated my 814 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,359 Speaker 6: career too, But I feel like it's still just been 815 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 6: like a slow incline. Yeah, I haven't got to the decline, 816 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 6: you know. I don't feel like I haven't plateaued yet, 817 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 6: which is kind of amazing. It's been ten years of 818 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 6: the Night Sweats. This August will be ten years. 819 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,720 Speaker 1: You just played the Garden. 820 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,440 Speaker 6: We just played the Garden and it was like, you know, 821 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,879 Speaker 6: it was oh, I mean it was my mom's first 822 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,320 Speaker 6: time in New York. It was I mean, it's garden. 823 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,400 Speaker 6: It's like the most famous arena in the world. 824 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,439 Speaker 1: You know, like that's pretty fun. 825 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was cool, you know, and we'd just done 826 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,880 Speaker 6: Fallon and honestly, Jimmy like helped launch our career and 827 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,239 Speaker 6: in such a way I don't think anybody knew was 828 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,239 Speaker 6: gonna happen. I certainly was like sitting in meetings after 829 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,840 Speaker 6: that where people are like, well TV doesn't sell records, 830 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 6: but but your that performance did. And I think, you know, 831 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,000 Speaker 6: like he had a song, and you know, I feel 832 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 6: like we'd tried to do Late Night earlier on in 833 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,200 Speaker 6: my career, and other than Jules Holland hadn't had like 834 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 6: any any no break nothing in the States. And so 835 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,479 Speaker 6: Jimmy had a song because he just loved the song 836 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,480 Speaker 6: sob and and that was really like in the process 837 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,080 Speaker 6: of Richard, that was like a throwaway and Richard like 838 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 6: it was the last song we did when we when 839 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,200 Speaker 6: we were working together for the first record. He was like, Okay, 840 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 6: so label loves the song. It was like, huh, management 841 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 6: loves song. I was like, yeah, he's like when you 842 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,040 Speaker 6: play it for people who they freak out. I was 843 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 6: like yeah, He's like, okay, well we should probably do it. 844 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,680 Speaker 6: It's just funny what what like people latch onto, you know. 845 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,719 Speaker 6: And then I struggled with for a long time, is like, 846 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 6: is my legacy going to be this song? 847 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:19,320 Speaker 4: You know? 848 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 6: You know, but at some point it doesn't really matter, 849 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 6: because it's like giving me the ability to do everything 850 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,759 Speaker 6: else that I want to do, and I'm still able 851 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 6: to create music and write from a place of honesty. 852 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: All right, do you want to take us out on 853 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: a song? Let's yeah, so this is south of Here 854 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:42,880 Speaker 1: from your newer record. 855 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:56,560 Speaker 6: Yep, I like this one? Okay, right on? 856 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:13,800 Speaker 2: Well, dude in the corners we're having. 857 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,840 Speaker 3: As a wand up the road. 858 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,319 Speaker 2: See him lost but not a band, and. 859 00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 3: Well it's hard for one to know. You just find 860 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 3: the wind and flow the bucking' ta. 861 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 7: Is no. 862 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 3: And now I would have to do. 863 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 2: Let it out here they let us be and now 864 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:58,359 Speaker 2: whatever the just go. I may even go back home. 865 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:16,200 Speaker 2: Remember who I was in the corner and I happen in. 866 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 3: Things about no other ways. 867 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,560 Speaker 2: We didn't all and one left standing. 868 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:39,239 Speaker 3: When everyone else saw for your game and hate the 869 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:47,160 Speaker 3: word you know under the graves were hiding you don't 870 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 3: on do I hate and the bad? And I would 871 00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 3: have to go. 872 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,839 Speaker 2: There something here that let us be. Now I won't 873 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:12,320 Speaker 2: have to just move. I made me go back home 874 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,279 Speaker 2: a male. 875 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 14: Who I would. 876 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 3: I wake in the little man? 877 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:44,120 Speaker 25: Where my band, where my bed, where my bed where 878 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 25: my bed. 879 00:56:50,520 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 2: Maybe something here didn't let us be. That was fun. 880 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:04,719 Speaker 5: I loved it. 881 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much for doing this. It's been 882 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,840 Speaker 1: so fun. We never really get to play together, I know, 883 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,319 Speaker 1: I like on a birthday. 884 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,920 Speaker 6: I'm I know. Yeah, it was really specially playing with 885 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,280 Speaker 6: you and singing with you in this way. So it's 886 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:19,800 Speaker 6: really nice. 887 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for doing it. 888 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 6: Oh my pleasure. Thank you. 889 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,720 Speaker 1: Great to see you again soon. Now we did it. 890 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 2: Now we do it. 891 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 1: We can just be friends now. 892 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,760 Speaker 6: Yeah that's yeah, Thanks for listening. 893 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,360 Speaker 1: This episode was super fun for us, and I wanted 894 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,920 Speaker 1: to tell you about the songs we played this time. 895 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,920 Speaker 1: We started with a cover and the first song we 896 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,520 Speaker 1: did was the Great Link Ray song from his self 897 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,920 Speaker 1: titled album, which was released in nineteen seventy one. The 898 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,720 Speaker 1: song is called Fallen Rain, one of my faves. The 899 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,160 Speaker 1: second song we played was get Used to the Night 900 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: by Nathaniel Ratelift in the Night Sweats from his album 901 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 1: South of Here, which was released in twenty twenty four. 902 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: Third song we did was and It's Still Alright, such 903 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,800 Speaker 1: a classic. I love this song Nathaniel Rateliff from the 904 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,200 Speaker 1: album and It's Still Alright twenty twenty. That was released. 905 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 1: The fourth song we played was called Mavis, also from 906 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,560 Speaker 1: that same album, and It's Still Alright released in twenty twenty. 907 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: Fifth song we played Wow, We did a lot of 908 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,080 Speaker 1: songs called South of Here by Nathaniel Ratelife and the 909 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,680 Speaker 1: Night Sweats album South of Here released twenty twenty four. 910 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 1: Special thanks to Nathaniel Rateliff for joining us today, and 911 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with Bridget Everett. Norah Jones 912 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,720 Speaker 1: Is Playing Along is a production of iHeart Podcasts. I'm 913 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,520 Speaker 1: your host Nora Jones. 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