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Speaker 1: Welcome into a Week twelve rapid reaction on the Giants

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Speaker 1: at citizensbank dot com slash Giants. I'm Madeline Burke, joined

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Speaker 1: by the Super Bowl champion Sean O'Hara as we rapidly

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Speaker 1: react to the Giants Week twelve loss to the Lions

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Speaker 1: in Detroit thirty four to twenty seven is your final

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Speaker 1: in overtime, But Sean, that doesn't really tell the story

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Speaker 1: because the Giants led the entirety of the game. The

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Speaker 1: Lions didn't have a lead until that overtime touchdown Jamior

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Speaker 1: Gibbs going sixty nine yards untouched to take a lead.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't look back from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're all a little bit mad right now, Maddie,

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Speaker 2: and I think when you look at this game and

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Speaker 2: nobody expected a shootout like that, Like when you look

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Speaker 2: at the score and you know both offenses five hundred

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Speaker 2: plus yards. Look, the Detroit Lions were coming off a

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Speaker 2: clunker against Philly. The week before they scored nine points.

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Speaker 2: Their offense was abysmal, and yet their ground game was

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Speaker 2: on point. You know, two hundred and nineteen yards rushing

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Speaker 2: for Jamier Gibbs. That was, you know, a big part

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Speaker 2: of their production. But this Giants team getting on this

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Speaker 2: plane right now, they've got to be scratching their heads, like,

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Speaker 2: what more do we have to do to win a

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Speaker 2: football game? What more could Jameis Winston have done? I

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Speaker 2: felt like this game was everything was going right to

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Speaker 2: your point. They scored the opening drive, they did not

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Speaker 2: relinquish the lead until overtime, and they everything worked. The

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Speaker 2: gadget plays worked. The run game in the second half

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Speaker 2: started to work, started to have some teeth. Jameis Winston

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Speaker 2: was painting both sides of the plate like a pitcher

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Speaker 2: out there with the way he was orchestrating throws over

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Speaker 2: defenders to the sideline, even catching one himself and mossing

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Speaker 2: someone on his way to the end zone. So this

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Speaker 2: offensive production, you know, when you score twenty seven points

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Speaker 2: like that, you know it should equate a win. But

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Speaker 2: again it's the Giants finding a way to lose a

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Speaker 2: game with in a totally different manner than we've ever

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Speaker 1: Right, And I mean you mentioned the offensive production. This

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Speaker 1: is the first time the Lions have given up three

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Speaker 1: hundred yards passing all season. Giants put twenty seven points

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Speaker 1: on the board against a very good Lions team. Hindsight,

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Speaker 1: of course, is twenty twenty and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: moments you could look back thinking if that one had

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Speaker 1: gone another way. But a big one in this game,

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Speaker 1: Sean is you know, late in the game, the Giants

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Speaker 1: up twenty seven to twenty four on fourth down and six,

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Speaker 1: Mike Kafka chooses to go for it, trying to get

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Speaker 1: a touchdown to really extend the lead with about just

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Speaker 1: under three minutes to play. Instead of kicking a field goal,

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Speaker 1: they don't convert on fourth down and give the Lions

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Speaker 1: again only needing a field goal, and Jake Bates hits

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Speaker 2: You know, Mike Kafka did a great job coaching in

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Speaker 2: this game. Yeah, I thought everything that he did, the

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Speaker 2: patients with the run game, finding the right time to

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Speaker 2: call a flea flicker pass. You know the gadget plays,

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Speaker 2: you know everything, you know, even the touchdown throw. The

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Speaker 2: Jamis went and through to Isaiah Hodgins. They called time out.

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Speaker 2: It was third and seven. Let's make sure we had

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Speaker 2: the right play, didn't rush into it. Saved Jamis on

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Speaker 2: a delay of game penalty later on in the game,

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Speaker 2: calling time out right before we got that. We should

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Speaker 2: be celebrating what Mike Kafka, what Jameis Winston, what this

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Speaker 2: offense did. But because of that one decision, the outcome

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Speaker 2: of this game completely got turned upside down. And there

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Speaker 2: are people that are looking at this as well. That

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Speaker 2: was an aggressive decision, and Mike cap even said, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be aggressive. And there's a difference between being

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Speaker 2: if you're coaching in high school, in college or the NFL,

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Speaker 2: if you're up three and your fourth and goal on

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Speaker 2: being aggressive on fourth and one on the one yard line,

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Speaker 2: But given the Giants struggles in the red zone this

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Speaker 2: what Detroit has to do when they get their next possession.

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Speaker 2: Now they can't settle for a fifty nine year field goal.

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Speaker 2: Now they can't be conservative and just kind of take

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Speaker 2: So you kind of make them one dimensional in that capacity.

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Speaker 2: So I will go to the bank on that one.

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Speaker 2: You have to take the field goal every single time

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Speaker 1: Get in here, if you're lined up here, you got

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Speaker 1: to go over the middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 1: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but citizen, it does makes sense of

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Speaker 2: your money with citizens official Bank of Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: Have to take the points to give them a longer

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Speaker 1: know we mentioned the game that Mike Kafka called though,

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Speaker 1: way that this one started because the Giants have been

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Speaker 1: coming out aggressive. They had six opening drive touchdowns so

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Speaker 1: one Dale Robinson, it seemed, who had one hundred and

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Speaker 1: December eleventh, twenty eleven, when Hakeem Nicks had one hundred

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Speaker 1: But the way that this team started out there Sean

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great start, and that's exactly what

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Speaker 2: You know, look it's loud, and you want to kind

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Speaker 2: There's so many things that have to go right, and

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Speaker 2: I think Wandell did a great job of selling the

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Speaker 2: a great job being an actor and selling that portion

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Speaker 2: And when you get that kind of play, I mean

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Speaker 2: it looked like they were having a good time play.

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Speaker 2: And when you score a touchdown like that, everybody's energized.

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Speaker 2: Now the defense goes out there like, hey man, you know,

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Speaker 1: Were Yeah, the offense was clicking today, over five hundred

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Speaker 1: some defensive moments where it seemed like, all right, this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a couple of really good defensive stops

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Speaker 2: and you know, three of the first four possessions they

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Speaker 2: to do when you have offense that's kind of struggling

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Speaker 2: But I thought the defensive line, when you look at

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Speaker 2: we are not going to let Brian Burns wreck this game.

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Speaker 2: They had a tight end that was kind of chipping.

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Speaker 2: you know, safety's got to come down with aggression. They

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Speaker 2: Jumior Gibbs ran through a lot of arm tackles today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you had Jamior Gibbs on your fantasy team today,

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Speaker 1: What an incredible performance by Egremier Gibbs and a tough

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Speaker 1: a Week thirteen game. This one's prime time before the

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Speaker 1: Monday Night Football at the New England Patriots is the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well coached Patriots team led by Mike Vrabel. You know,

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Speaker 2: of overthrew Hunter Henry and it was a lob pass.

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Speaker 2: So that's one area where I think they can look

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Speaker 2: to capitalize on it. But yeah, Monday Night Football, Look,

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Speaker 2: it's always Monday Night Football is kind of that's always

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Speaker 2: because you've got the Monday Night Football game on ESPN,

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Speaker 2: buffoons talk about football option. But yeah, Monday Night Football,

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Speaker 1: Right, but the Giants are a very good, two inten team, right,

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Speaker 2: Got is that possible? We listen, They're the best too

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Speaker 1: They are through three quarters so close. They are just

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Speaker 1: reaction after that one. But that's concluding your Week twelve

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Speaker 1: rapid reaction thirty four to twenty seven. The final score

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Speaker 1: visiting Giants. For the Super Bowl champion Sean O'Hara, I'm

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