Speaker 1: So I had Andrew McCarthy on this podcast. I loved
Speaker 1: interviewing him. It was so iconic because for those of
Speaker 1: you who are a certain age, the brat Pack was
Speaker 1: so iconic. And it's funny because there's a new documentary
Speaker 1: with Andrew McCarthy producing it and starring in it, and
Speaker 1: it's called Brats, and he's going back and you know,
Speaker 1: visiting cast not castmates, some castmates, but brat mates from
Speaker 1: that era. And this New York Magazine article was extremely
Speaker 1: damaging for all of them. And what happened was Rob Low,
Speaker 1: Demi Moore, Amelio Estevez, Andrew McCarthy, Ali Sheety, and then
Speaker 1: they were like extreme one, oh Judd Nelson, but there
Speaker 1: were like extraneous ones, like you almost say that Matt
Speaker 1: Dillon was adjacent. See Thomas Howell was brat adjacent. There
Speaker 1: were just all these people that were in those movies
Speaker 1: at that time. Anthony Michael Hall is probably a Jason
Speaker 1: o'molly Ringwalld was in the brat pack. But it was
Speaker 1: this whole generation of good looking, spirited actors, many manufactured
Speaker 1: by John Hughes in some movies. But it was stane,
Speaker 1: almost fire, and it was pretty in pink, and it
Speaker 1: was a whole era and it was just now that
Speaker 1: I watched this documentary a time I was that age,
Speaker 1: so I didn't know that this was different than anything before.
Speaker 1: But at that age, there were so many teen movies,
Speaker 1: and I remember, as a little kid, this is true,
Speaker 1: crying because I wanted to live in California so badly,
Speaker 1: like I just And it's funny because my daughter, at
Speaker 1: one point when she was younger, really wanted to live
Speaker 1: in Florida because we went out to dinner with my
Speaker 1: friend and her daughter, and her daughter like goes out
Speaker 1: in boats with her friends and as this whole life and.
Speaker 2: She's having a nice time living in Florida.
Speaker 1: But my daughter is in her mind glamorizing it and
Speaker 1: thinks like that this girl's having this whole crazy life
Speaker 1: that she's not living. And when I was that age,
Speaker 1: I was glamorizing California and like I was just going
Speaker 1: to get to Beverly Hills, where my father actually lived
Speaker 1: in California, and I did go visit, and then I.
Speaker 2: Was just going to see all these people, which didn't
Speaker 2: really happen.
Speaker 1: And years later where I did end up moving out
Speaker 1: to La I did go to the clubs that I
Speaker 1: would see Tory Spelling, and I did see John Brownison
Speaker 1: one time at Sue Plantation, and I did see you
Speaker 1: know the girls from nine O two an hour I
Speaker 1: was obsessed with and I was irrelevant to them.
Speaker 2: They didn't pay any attention to me. But you'd see
Speaker 2: actors out.
Speaker 1: I once saw Jared Leto at a cafe, kings Row Cafe,
Speaker 1: and like, I was enamored by all that. It's interesting
Speaker 1: now to be a person who is a public person
Speaker 1: and realize that your life is still You're still a person,
Speaker 1: and you're still sad, and like fame is just really
Speaker 1: a gloss over. It's what other people perceive it to be.
Speaker 1: It's not different for you necessarily. Our life is different,
Speaker 1: but you still have blood running through your veins, and
Speaker 1: you know sadness and depression and you can get sick
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So this group had an article
Speaker 1: written about them as the it kids who are in
Speaker 1: all these different movies, and the title was what grabbed
Speaker 1: everybody in and it was New York magazine and it
Speaker 1: was the Brat Pack And apparently it was supposed to
Speaker 1: be an article that was written just about Emilio Estevez,
Speaker 1: and it turned into a bigger thing, as articles often do,
Speaker 1: and you learned the very valuable lesson that I have
Speaker 1: also learned that the media is not your friend. The
Speaker 1: media is the ocean. You want to have a good
Speaker 1: relationship with it. You want to be able to ride
Speaker 1: the waves when they come in. You want to be
Speaker 1: able to respect the ocean, not think you can battle
Speaker 1: the ocean, not think you can control the ocean.
Speaker 2: It works for you.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a beautiful thing. Sometimes I am grateful for
Speaker 1: the media. But you don't fuck around with the ocean,
Speaker 1: and you don't fucker out the media. You don't try
Speaker 1: to manipulate them and think they're your friend and get
Speaker 1: too cozy.
Speaker 2: And it was a clever name.
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is that they all scattered and
Speaker 1: scurried from each other, because that was before all press
Speaker 1: is good press twenty twenty four. Being infamous as being famous,
Speaker 1: being on reality TV and being a disaster makes you
Speaker 1: successful and everything goes these days. Disruptive wins now. But
Speaker 1: I guess people didn't realize disruptive one then. And I
Speaker 1: guess scared money never wins, because it seems like if
Speaker 1: they had just stuck together and been like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is what we are.
Speaker 2: We're leading into it. It's going to work out. Instead,
Speaker 2: they all wanted.
Speaker 1: To be these thespians, you know, these Scorsesey thespians, and.
Speaker 2: They did say that, like people did.
Speaker 1: Back out of certain rules with them. But like the media,
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry is also the ocean you got to
Speaker 1: sort of ride, and they should have danced with the
Speaker 1: one who brung you because they were lucky to be
Speaker 1: in that space. And reality TV is very much like that.
Speaker 1: So many actresses that failed as actresses would have succeeded
Speaker 1: as reality stars. And they're dancing with the one who
Speaker 1: brung them. They're making money, they're successful. It didn't go
Speaker 1: the way they wanted it to go. But these were
Speaker 1: young kids that were.
Speaker 2: Out partying and were in movies. They were young.
Speaker 1: There's an evan flow of things, and they were young actors.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure not every single one of them is
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 2: Maybe one is, or would have been.
Speaker 1: Brablo found his way out, and Roblo found his way
Speaker 1: out of a scandal and addiction in a terrible time
Speaker 1: in his life. So I think Andrew McCarthy had a
Speaker 1: similar situation. So I'm not belittling their circumstance by any means.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they now are coming back and revisiting
Speaker 1: something that was very traumatic for them. But for me,
Speaker 1: as a viewer of the movies and of the genre,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that was very inside baseball. I
Speaker 1: thought brat pack was a cool thing to be part of.
Speaker 1: Who cares your brats?
Speaker 2: Whatever?
Speaker 1: And it's like NEPO baby. Last week I did a video.
Speaker 1: Bring came into my room and said to me, Mom,
Speaker 1: what's a NEPO baby? I said, get a frickin' mirror. Why.
Speaker 1: It was the first thing that came to my mind.
Speaker 1: Is my daughter act like a NEPO baby? Is she entitled?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Literally, she has to work for everything she gets and
Speaker 1: there's a process and nothing on a silver platter.
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Did she fly first class to emiratesok me on the
Speaker 1: Australia trip of Yes? Does she have beautiful things and
Speaker 1: people know she is?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I mean she did not have a normal life. She's
Speaker 1: a privileged, young, wealthy, successful woman's daughter. I'm not in
Speaker 1: a bubble. I mean I am in a bubble, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying my brain is not a bubble, I'm aware,
Speaker 1: But the Nepo baby thing, it's like what it would
Speaker 1: be perceived to be. That's what people would think she is,
Speaker 1: and that's what I thought. They were a bunch of
Speaker 1: the breath pack, no different than I thought everybody on nine, O,
Speaker 1: two and O was the brat Pack. No different than
Speaker 1: everybody on Nowhere's Place was the brat Pack. But they
Speaker 1: were leaning into it, you know, just like people on
Speaker 1: reality TV. So I guess I always like there to
Speaker 1: be an overall message. Let the buttermel, let the ocean move.
Speaker 1: You never know what something really is in the moment,
Speaker 1: So I just feel like in life, not everything is
Speaker 1: what it is in that moment. People panic, get hysterical,
Speaker 1: and when things are going on in the moment and
Speaker 1: things seem like something, you gotta ride it out. You
Speaker 1: gotta hold that steering real type and not too tight.
Speaker 1: You can't clutch it and you can't let go. That'd
Speaker 1: just ride it through. So if I were in the
Speaker 1: brat pack now and a big damaging article like that
Speaker 1: came out, I don't think I would like be so
Speaker 1: quick to just scurry. I think I would lean in,
Speaker 1: laugh about it, make a joke about it be talented
Speaker 1: and the cream rises to the top, because if you
Speaker 1: really do think about it, a lot of them really
Speaker 1: did dissolve dissolve. So I don't know that Scurrying was
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Molly Ringwold was just in feud and you know, people
Speaker 1: are getting a chance again, even like a Macchio. And
Speaker 1: then also was a genre too. It was a time.
Speaker 1: Everything has a time like that was a time for
Speaker 1: teen movies, and there were times for vampire movies, and
Speaker 1: there are times for euphoria type dark kids shows like it.
Speaker 1: Just things things are cyclical, So.
Speaker 2: I love that era.
Speaker 1: It was very, very influential in my life. It was
Speaker 1: very profound. I remember crying that I didn't wasn't friends
Speaker 1: with all those people they just made.
Speaker 2: There was a there was another movie that was a
Speaker 2: little raunchy with Tom Moore in it called Private School
Speaker 2: for Girls.
Speaker 1: Like I just was so obsessed with James Spader and Andrew
Speaker 1: McCarthy and Jimmy Moore and Rob like I just wanted
Speaker 1: to It was like it was painful. I was like
Speaker 1: that though, That's why I have to we have to
Speaker 1: be compassionate with our kids when they are obsessed with things,
Speaker 1: because don't you remember how real it was. My love
Speaker 1: for Matt Dylan was real. My love for Matt Dylan
Speaker 1: was deep, it was real. It's sustained. I remember to
Speaker 1: this day. I wasn't flighty. I wasn't like into one
Speaker 1: person then the other. Matt Dylan was my ride or
Speaker 1: died for years. I also loved James Spader and Andrew McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Andrew McCarthy was so cute and sheepish and sparkly, and
Speaker 1: I quickly I had him on my podcast and I
Speaker 1: got to watch brats. I'm like, I know him. What
Speaker 1: the fuck that?
Speaker 2: I'm like a.
Speaker 1: Person that gets to like that caught up, meaning I
Speaker 1: was so obsessed with them, and I caught up. I
Speaker 1: got to I now my own podcast that like Andrew
Speaker 1: McCarthy would grace his presence on like that sometimes freaks
Speaker 1: me out, Like Tory Spelling has been on here a
Speaker 1: couple of times.
Speaker 2: What it's Tory Spelling. I was so obsessed upset, not
Speaker 2: with her, but with all of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's crazy when like you know, I
Speaker 1: was the paon saved by the bell, just like looking
Speaker 1: up to.
Speaker 2: All them and now I know them all and.
Speaker 1: Some of the people in all of these different arenas,
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: A bigger career.
Speaker 1: Than they do, which is not it's not not humble,
Speaker 1: it's just shocking. Like I guess that message is for you,
Speaker 1: Like it's a marathon, not a sprint. Don't worry about
Speaker 1: other people and what they're doing, and it could be you,
Speaker 1: Like it's a whole.
Speaker 2: It's like when you watch a horse race. The horses.
Speaker 1: Some are beating the other by a nose, some go behind,
Speaker 1: some come make a fun a far turn, some are
Speaker 1: long shot, some go wire to wire, you know, like
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio so far has gone wire to wire.
Speaker 2: He started as a kid actor. He's never waivered. He
Speaker 2: just had it. You know.
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber has had some personal issues, but he's pretty
Speaker 1: much gone wired or wired too. You just don't know
Speaker 1: how it's all going to end up. So the fact
Speaker 1: that I would now be entertainment industry peers with the
Speaker 1: brat Pack, and I glamorize all of that because they
Speaker 1: were all so amazing and so iconic and represented such
Speaker 1: an era. It is just interesting, so exciting to have
Speaker 1: Robblow and Andrew McCarthy on this very podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Not Worthy