WEBVTT - Episode 82: Top-End Fitting 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:01.120 The guys from Ping. 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:03.800 They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.760 I just love that I can hit any shot. 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:07.440 I kind of want we're gonna be able to tell 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.480 some fun stories about what goes on here to help 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:10.600 golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.680 Hey, everybody, it's the Ping Proven Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bacon. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.079 That of course is Marty Jerts and Marty. I like 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.480 the shirt, I like the fit, I like the look, 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.120 and I like the topic. Today we're gonna discuss kind 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.880 of the top end of the golf bag. It's i'd say, 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.640 what Ping offers these days has become pretty expansive. I 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.080 mean it is. You can have a lot of different 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.159 clubs in the bag in terms of fairy Woods and 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.159 Drivers and Thrivers and IDI, you know, long irons, a 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.400 lot of different irons out there, and I'm assuming when 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:45.520 you go to maybe upgrade it can feel slightly overwhelming 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.960 for people. So we wanted to kind of discuss the 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.680 right options for people out there if they're starting to 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.960 look across kind of the catalog the PING offers these days. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.280 Yeah, definitely, Shan's I think it's a very fun time. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.000 You know, if you look at the history of golf. 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.560 It used to be you go, you go driver, maybe 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.640 a three wood or a four wood and then boom 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:09.319 right there three iron, nothing in between. And now we 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.080 have so many options in there. It's really fun that 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:16.560 we have these options for the everyday golfer. And then 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.200 how much diversity we see even with our tour players, right, 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.520 and what clubs are playing basically that whole topic of 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.720 between your driver and your longest iron. What do I do? 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.120 Yeah, I mean what we have done and what you 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.399 have done is created a golf club that can we 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.080 say was ahead of its time, Like like, can we 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:39.160 talk about the Thriver for. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:39.679 Just a moment? 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.800 This golf club is I don't know if I get 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.240 more any more messages on or dms on Instagram than 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.760 about anything paying related than the Thriver. It's a golf 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.440 club that you when'd you when did you introduce it? 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:52.600 Two years ago? Three years ago? 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.240 It's been in my bag two and a half years now. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.720 Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean just explain to people that 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.360 they've never heard us talk about it or never listen 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.320 to the pod before. What is a Thriver? 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.080 Yeah? The high level concept, Shane, is that if you 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.880 drive the ball let's say two seventy five or more 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.160 so like three hundred ish, you know, to ninety three hundred. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.920 We we looked at the data, and my own personal 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.960 data on this too showed that I'm hitting that that 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.440 three wood or that longest club most of the time 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.959 off the tee. For me, it was like eighty five 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.680 to ninety percent of my t shots in my local 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.400 Arizona golf when I hit my threewood, it was off 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.960 a tee and I was kind of struggling with threewood 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.760 off the tee through it for mechanical reasons, mental reasons. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.600 It was a little fragile, let's just call it. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.680 And so I built this uh and welcome to the club, 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.600 my friend, Welcome to the club. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.080 Fragile. You know, it's a good, good, good framing on 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.480 every golfer that you know. So you know, if you 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.079 if you cure someone's fragile point in their golf game, 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.480 you can do magical things. So that's what this driver 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.720 has done for me. So it's three wood drivers, how 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.680 the name came to be. But it's basically a twelve 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.200 degree driver build that we put that we build a 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.840 basically effectively around three wood length. Some people got minds 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.880 like forty three and a quarter three wood shaft plugged 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.360 in there goes into forty three and a quarter. I 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.720 build a little flatter, a little heavier swing way. I 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.720 put the CG shifter in the in the in the 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.200 fade position or the toe position, and I can tee 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:26.200 it really low. In The dispersion you get when you 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.120 use it as a t shot club compared to a 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:32.239 traditional three wood is phenomenal. Like your your downline dispersion 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:33.880 when we do a player test on this is like 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.960 fifty percent smaller, so you literally hit it twice as 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.320 straight off the tee. And so it's just a fantastic club. 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.280 We had Christo win with it on the corn Ferry 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.800 Tour event here, you know, a few few weeks or 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.400 a few months ago, and so we see a lot 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.560 of tour players doing this because they drive the ball far. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.960 So it's a great three wood replacement club for folks 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.760 who hit it far off the tee. But but your 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.160 your everyday golfer, let's you hit it two fifty off 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.480 the tee or shorter, and and your course kind of 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.600 just demands a lot of shots down there. A lot 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.080 of fairway finders, maybe you're not as comfortable sometimes with 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.640 the driver. It's also a good option there as well 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.680 for the everyday golfer that isn't hitting in a majority 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:16.839 of the times off the tee. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:18.960 Yeah. I mean I had a friend of mine. I 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.279 played golf with a lefty buddy of mine probably two 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.279 three months ago, like he was going to Scotland. You know, 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:28.880 he hits it two fifty. I mean he's not a 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.520 bomber yep. But we were talking through it. I had 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.880 the Thriver in the bag. I've been playing the Thriver 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.240 for a long time. I actually now I kind of 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.120 go between the Thriver and the four Wood depending on 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.880 the golf course. Perfect, but I do love the Thriver 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.080 for my golf club. I don't hit a lot of 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:44.600 fairy woods, like you don't really hit them into the 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.760 par fives, yep, and you don't really hit them off 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:48.440 the tee. So the Thriver's great because I can hit 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.800 it on a couple of squeeze holes. But ye, he 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.120 was asking a lot of questions about it, and I 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.680 gave him my old Thriver to hit, you know, to 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.719 go play with. I said, take this one out, you know, 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.039 the four point thirty hit it, let me know what 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:03.680 you think, and he immediately said, like, I'm buying one tomorrow. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.000 And he bought one the next day and took it 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.080 to Scotland and he said he hit it the majority 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:09.599 of the time. He said it was a great club 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.200 for a Scotland trip because you know, he knew it 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.039 was going to be controllable. He could see it low, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.200 like you said, get it in play and he could 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.200 trust it. And again when you're like the driver for 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.320 elite players is one of the easiest clubs to hit 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.760 these days, but the average player still can struggle to 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.960 spray it. And the fact that this club exists and 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.320 allows you it's a little shorter. I love the length 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:29.720 of it. I mean, I think that might be my 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.279 favorite part of the golf club. But if you're not 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.200 a big Fairwywood fan, I think it's an incredible option, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.280 you know, within your golf bag to maybe consider. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.520 Yeah, no, it's very magical, Shane, And yeah, you just 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.120 think about like you play that big four un and 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.280 sixty cc head basically as a three would in the 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.480 inertia of that fairway Wood is three or four times 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.960 more of the Thriver build is three to four times 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.719 bigger than a fairway would and that manifests itself in 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.359 that dispersion being so much. You got a lot of 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.200 flexibility with T height. Like most of the time on 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.279 T mind, you probably do the same like tat low 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.400 and kind of chip it or chip cut it. But 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:09.880 if you ever get to that hole where you need 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.760 to hit a high draw or a high one, maybe 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.600 driveable par for it's kind of downwind, but you got 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.120 to launch it up, you couldn't do it with your 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.000 driver boom you could tee at high. So it does 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.359 have a lot of flexibility there. So not not a 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.400 club for everybody, but it's certainly when we're talking about 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.200 this suite of options between your driver and your longest iron, 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.000 that's that's one that's certainly an option there, and we 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.279 have a great build for that with our twelve degree heads. 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.640 Yeah, I mean you think about Thriver and then obviously, 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:37.880 I mean, you know, people are gonna have a driver 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:39.280 in their bag every time. I mean, it's going to 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.039 be in every bag in the world. And then you know, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.239 I mean, I do think that the traditional three wood 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.480 I think is we're not seeing as many traditional three 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.520 woods in bags these days. Obviously, the four wood has 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.360 come back in four to forty, which I'm a huge 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:53.839 fan of. I mean, I loved it. I think it 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:55.919 was G twenty series. One of my favorite clubs of 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.039 all time was the Ping four wood. Now the four 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.960 wood is back. But you know, this high loft fairwe 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.919 would concept has become extremely popular as well. Why do 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.280 you feel like the five woods and the seven woods, 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.080 even the nine woods have become way more popular than 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.760 we've ever seen before in the history of golf. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:13.840 Yeah, no, I think it's great. I think what people 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:18.320 are realizing is that, you know, we is equipment designers. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.520 We've been able to get the center gravity lower, you 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.280 can get under the ball more, you can launch them 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:27.720 higher fair way woods, especially for like you know, tour 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.120 players and then every day golfers alike. They allow you 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.200 to swing a little bit steeper, so you can kind 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.400 of swing a little bit steeper on it. What we're 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.920 seeing a lot of our tour players do, Shane, is 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.600 go shorter with the length, right, and this is not 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.520 necessarily something the everyday golfer needs to do is to 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.120 go shorter than our standard length, but the tour players 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.920 doing it to manipulate the peak trajectory and the height 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.360 and to take a little bit of that distance off. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.840 I think we probably talked about that with Kent Oates 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.440 of the Magic how they fit those out there with 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.120 the PGA Tour players. One of my favorite examples of this, 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:06.600 Shane is a guy you know well, also is Matt McCarty. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.720 So he plays your traditional three wood. Is his three wood, 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.680 you know it kind of average tour length, slightly above 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.560 average tour length, pretty medium trajectory in terms of launch conditions. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.880 If we look at his seven iron launch conditions and 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.600 then he plays the he plays our seven wood, but 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.480 he plays at I think forty and three quarters inches, 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.400 so this is an inch and a quarter short. He 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.160 basically plays his seven wood at hybrid length, right if 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.560 you think about it. And then he also has it 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.720 in a little stronger position he has in our big 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:44.760 minus position. So with going shorter in length, stronger on 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.680 law through our Hauzal setting, he's kind of got the 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.920 peak trajectory down closer to a hybrid, but he can 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.439 hit down on it a little bit steeper, steeper, easier 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:56.800 to get out of the rough. And as you know, 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.600 Shane on the PGA Tour there's so many of those 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.120 long threes that are like two twenty five to two 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:07.120 forty that that club is magical. That's one of the 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.840 big reasons why the tour players use it. When when 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.800 you look at the stats of of a par three 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.960 distance on tour, there are so many par threes like 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:21.240 two twenty to two forty and and that's just seven 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.199 would heaven out there for the PGA tour player. And 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:25.720 that's what Matt talked about when we talked to him 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:26.600 on the podcast. 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.320 It's been a it's been a really cool club, you know. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.079 I think you know, for me with my relationship with 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.200 Fairway Woods has always been an interesting one. I just 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.600 have never loved my three woods, like over the years, 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.720 it's always been a club in my bag that's given 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.920 me the biggest fits. Even in like my college days, 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:46.760 I kind of had the driver yips. I'd go two iron, 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.719 you know, I would just say stinger, two iron all. 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:49.199 Over the place. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.640 I just I never like it was still a wood 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.599 in my opinion, But you know, the four wood was. 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.480 It was a huge change for me. I remember I 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.200 leaned heavily on that. I love the fact that it 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.200 was a little bit thicker you know, it wasn't the 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.120 that trend in the in the late nineties, kind of 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.240 the tight lie or lamar like really skinny face Fairway 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.520 wood shot. It wasn't great for me. I was steep 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:09.800 and you know, I'd hit it up on top of 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.120 the face that that four wood still had some some 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.240 girth to it and some and some thickness to it. 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.360 And uh and I feel like the same with the 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.480 five wood in the seven wood. And the recent iteration 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.800 that Ping has offered is they're lofty, but you don't 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.079 feel like you're you're giving up kind of the the 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.080 depth of face that you maybe used to have to 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.079 give up when loft was was was introduced. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.240 I I love that, Shane. I remember uh Man with 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.960 Hunter Mayhan. I was with with Hunter Mayhand and uh 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.160 and Sean Foley on the range and they're working on 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.760 taking divots with the Fairway wood, you know, and it's 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.600 it's I think that's you're nailing. And I kind of 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:44.960 mentioned it when I said we've been able to get 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.600 the cig's lower. Well, the secret that I think you 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.080 hit the nail on the head is that the cieg's low, 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.920 so they fly nice, but we don't have to do 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.760 it through making the face shallow so you don't need 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.960 to be afraid of hitting down on it. A little 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.280 bit more going down and getting it, and now you 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.280 can go down and get it and still get that 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.320 ball to launch high. So you get that. That is 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:09.080 the magic of why these clubs are have been more prevalent, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:14.080 a little easier to hit, more functional, more fitting options. Yeah, 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.160 it's the face height with the center gravity is being low. Marty, 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.400 fourteen clubs sound like a lot. It's not a lot. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.320 We all battle. I mean you travel with like one 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.439 hundred clubs when you go on these golf tournaments. I 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.240 now travel with fifteen or sixteen. When I go on 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.400 golf trips, I always have, you know, either an. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.839 IDI in the bag, or I'll have maybe my three iron, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.800 or I'll have maybe an extra lofted would in the bag. 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.240 As we dive into this top end fitting process in 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.280 terms of the top end of your golf bag, let's 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.440 say it's a five wood, it's an IDI four iron, 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.320 it's the I series three iron, Like, how do you 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.000 distinguish what a certain player might need it? Or a hybrid? Like, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.600 how do you figure out what a player might need 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.120 is it is it club at speed? Is it attack angle? 0:11:58.679 --> 0:11:58.800 Like? 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.840 What are you looking at in terms of figuring out 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.720 that for an individual versus somebody else. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:06.920 Yeah, it's a great question because we do now have 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.320 so many options in their shane. I think it the 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.480 way to think about it. I think for the golfer 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.960 out there is you want to think about gapping. So 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.800 you want to think about gapping though in two different ways. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.080 There's your your downline gapping. That's your distance gaping either 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.320 carrier total, and that's going to spend on your course conditions, 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.280 your weather and your wind and things of that nature. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.280 And then you want to think about your vertical gaping, 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.840 and that's your peak height. You know your peak height 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.800 and your land angle. So that's the base. Okay, it's like, okay, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.920 we got we got to build these clubs in here. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.840 How much or how far do you need it to 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.960 go and how high do you need it to go? 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.880 And that's your vertical and downline gaping. And then within 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.840 that we have plenty of flexibility for your course conditions. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.760 Is it windy? Is it firm? Are are you playing 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.760 most of your golf at one home course where you 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.920 always have a you have a couple of long part 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.920 threes where you're always going to need that seven wood, 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.520 and the greens are firm, maybe the greens are elevated, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.560 maybe you have to carry some bunkers in front. Right, 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.959 Is it always windy or is it not? And then 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.120 are you are you a kind of a tournament golfer 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.440 competitive golfer? Do you travel a little bit and you 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.000 need a couple options in there? That's more like you 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.679 and I are the tour player. You know, I usually 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.040 carry sixteen clubs and I got three options right there, 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.400 that's in you know, either three IDI, a hybrid or 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.679 five wood. Right, those are my kind of three options 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.480 depend on the course conditions. And again to me, Shane, 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:39.560 it still comes down to down line distance, vertical gaping, 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.560 and then wind and land angle right and how much 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.120 control do you need for those environmental conditions. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.200 The IDI has been just a savior for me. I mean, 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.679 you know, I always I've always loved kind of the 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.560 driving iron concept again kind of going back to you know, 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.600 I was a sprayer of the driver in my early 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.720 days when when technology couldn't save me like it can today, 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.360 and I always would default to a long iron, to 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.400 a drive in iron just something a little bit meteor 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.120 but still trust in that long iron versus a fairway. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.160 Would this IDI series dude is just changing it for me. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.880 I mean I got two, three four, I'll sometimes play 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.240 two depending on the golf course. Uh, in the bag 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:20.800 like I might take a fairway wood of the thriver 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.800 even out of the bag at times. Yes, But I 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.640 d I if you, if you struggle off the tee 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.920 in terms of getting the ball in play, let me 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.040 tell you the I d I is at least worth 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:32.480 a look. 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:32.880 It is. 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.800 They're beautiful, they're they're they're meaty. The top line's great. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:38.520 I'm obsessed with this thing. 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.240 Yeah, I think the fun part about the Idichan is 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.760 it's it's shorter heel to toe. You know, we've had 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.320 the crossovers of the past, which has been great, Don't get 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.000 me wrong, it's been great. But I love how you 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.800 get the shorter heel to toe length. And then whether 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.800 you're going to I two forty or blueprint ass or 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.560 blueprint te uh, it just blends right in both visually 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.160 and the can like the forces you're applying to square 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.320 the face. Everything marries up a lot better with the idea, 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.240 which which one do you playing day to day? Are 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.320 you playing the three three as you're like two forty 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:11.280 five two fifty club? 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.640 Yeah, I mean, like like out here probably around that 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.600 two forty number, I will say. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:16.880 So. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.440 I did the two and the three with graphite shafts, 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.080 you know, with more of a fairway wood level shaft, right, 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.000 and then I did the four with a steel shaft, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.280 the same cheft I play in my irons. Yeah, and 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.479 that loft on the four, when you look down at it, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.600 it's like it looks like you can't at a bad 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:34.080 golf shot. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:34.320 Yeah. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.240 Mean it like I almost wish is a full set 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.640 of idea eyes, you know. I look down and it's 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.480 just it's it's crazy, Like how much I want to 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.760 put it in play on golf courses, I probably shouldn't 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:45.320 put it in play. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.800 Yeah, I'm playing the four like I replaced my blueprint 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.280 s with the id I four, and I'm playing our 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.920 two or ninety X hybrid shaft in it. And this 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.160 thing is perfect. I think, not that it surprise me, 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.760 but you know, I think on a pod earlier this summer, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:04.560 I was like, the id I is the sleeper club 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.640 of the year. Yeah, And right when they went on tour. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.720 Shamee man. These things exploded in terms of usage with 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.320 with players that were playing some legacy crossovers and things 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.400 of that nature, like Victor Hoblin put it right in 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.840 over there for the Open and the Scottish Open, and 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:24.400 then the ultimate ball striker out there, Corey Connors. He's 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.520 playing the four I D I as his four iron, 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.560 just just like me and you Yeah. 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.360 Crazy, I mean, now you know what you might have 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.160 convinced me. I mean I literally might get done with 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.360 this podcast and walk six feet and put it in 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.600 the in the bag instead of my eye. My eye 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.320 four iron in there right now. But the mixed bag 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:41.840 is important. I mean, I think it's a big thing 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.040 in terms of trends on tour. Which way does do 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:46.600 the tour players go? In turn? I mean, I know 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.520 it's kind of all over the bag, but which way 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.240 did the tour players go in terms of kind of 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.600 the top end of their golf bag? Yeah, no, it is. 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:54.800 I think I think it is kind of generally all 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.600 over the bag. I was just looking at our tour 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.360 specs and we have the Matt McCarty playing the seven 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.680 woods short. Then we got Corey Connors. He's playing what's 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.640 effectively like a six wood, you know what I mean. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.399 He's taken the five wood, adding a little loft, not 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.840 playing it quite as short as is Matt McCarty. We 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.159 got Victor playing the three IDI pretty much week in 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.440 and week out, right, So some of the guys that 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.080 can elevate the ball a little bit more on command 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.560 for those long part threes IDI being shorter heel to 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.600 toe is way better out of the rough now. So 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.960 we're seeing a lot more ID eyes go in the 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.840 bag and staying in there week to week, where before 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.679 maybe it would be a crossover. They put it in 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.120 for Harbor Town and the Open, then they come back 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.280 and it'd be all five wood seven wood hybrids. Again, 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.639 we're seeing the IDI stay in the bag longer because 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.240 the shorter heel to toe, they can launch the ball 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.520 up in the air, especially with a three. So the 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.000 two ID, I think you're gonna see that maybe more 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.480 is a come and go club. Fours are in there, 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:59.399 a lot of high lofted fairway woods on the PJ Tour. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.680 We still have a full of hybrids in play, but 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.520 really I think where the everyday golfer can draw a 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.639 little bit more inspiration from in terms of similar distance 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:12.080 peak trajectory is the LPGA Tour. We absolutely are dominating 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.400 over there with hybrids, right, Okay, so if you're a golfer, 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:19.240 is that is having trouble getting your four five six 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.119 iron in the air. The hybrids are absolutely magical. And 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.920