1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Tory mclaney here with Will McFadden. We're 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: on radio row at the twenty twenty five NFL Scouting 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Combine here in Indianapolis, and Will, it has been a 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: exceptionally busy day so. 5 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: Far and we're only on day one. 6 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 3: I've learned so much today hearing from Terry Fauna, Raheem 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 3: Moore is talking to our exceptional guests who you guys 8 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: are about to hear from. But yeah, Tory, I'm pumped 9 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 3: to talk with one. 10 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 11 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of special guests, we have Nicole auerback of NBC Sports. 12 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: We have Albert Breer, Cam Wolf stopping by. So let's 13 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: get into those conversations you guys. All right, Nicole, I'm 14 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: super excited to talk to you, specifically because I feel 15 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: like you're coming at this combine from a lens that's 16 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: very different than some of the people that we're talking about. 17 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: You have been fully ingrained in the college football landscape 18 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: more than honestly, probably anybody we're going to talk to 19 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: all this week. So I kind of wanted to set 20 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 1: the stage a little bit for Falcons fans when you 21 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: look at this draft class, particularly some of the guys 22 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: that are going to. 23 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: Be at the top of this class. 24 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: What stands out to you about what college football's best 25 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: is offering in five. 26 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's so interesting because I like, I'm looking 27 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 4: at these guys regardless of team needs, right, So I'm 28 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 4: just like, oh, like, where are the guys that I 29 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 4: liked watching the most? And it's it's so reflective to 30 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 4: me of a really interesting Heisman Trophy race. It was 31 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 4: very it felt very up in the air at the 32 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 4: end between Travis Hunter and Ashton Genty. 33 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 5: They are both so special, Like. 34 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 4: I would reach for a running back for Ashton Genty 35 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 4: because I think, like what you guys know, Jon Robinson 36 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 4: was that guy too. 37 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 5: Where you're like, okay, yeah, like. 38 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 4: The running backs that are difference makers are different, yeah 39 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 4: than everybody else. It was worth having Saquon Barkley, it 40 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: was worth having Derrick Henry, right, Josh Jacobs, like they's. 41 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 6: Also more fun. 42 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: Surely from a Sunday enjoyment standpoint, having Jon Robinson has 43 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: made my life, okayat yes, I. 44 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: Agree, And so Ashton gent that guy, Like, I'm super 45 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 4: excited for that and I hope a team uses him 46 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 4: the way that I want to see him on Sundays. 47 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 4: And then Travis Hunter, who I did but before to 48 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: win the Heisman. I was fascinated, Like, he comes into 49 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 4: the combine as a defensive guy. 50 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 5: I think that's the right call. I think it's. 51 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 4: Easier to be a full time defensive player and to 52 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 4: figure out, Yeah, like he's great in man coverage, Like 53 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 4: you can't just pop that in, like you know, but 54 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 4: you could add a package that allows him to be 55 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 4: a receiver. You know, he could be involved in the 56 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 4: red zone or something. You know, again, depends on what 57 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 4: the team wants out of him. He wants to play 58 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 4: both ways, but it's easier to do it as a 59 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 4: full time defensive player than the opposite. 60 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 5: I think, will a team let him do that? 61 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 7: Right? 62 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 4: Like you still it's still a draft. It's still a 63 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 4: one way decision. Like, but if they're just like nope. 64 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 5: Actually you're not a receiver anymore, all right? 65 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 4: Like that stuff is really interesting to me because you know, 66 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: of what we got to see them do in college 67 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 4: and for him in particular, the amount of snaps he 68 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: was doing, and to be full time both positions, Like, 69 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 4: I'm fascinated to see how all of this goes. Yeah, 70 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 4: and then a Dull Carter. He's a dude, Like, I'm 71 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 4: excited to see that. I'm glad he's getting so much 72 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 4: respect and like possibly could be the number one pick 73 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 4: because he is that special and it always jumped out 74 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 4: at you and you were watching Penn State games that 75 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 4: he was the best player on the field. So it's 76 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 4: fun to get to see those types of players that 77 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 4: really did help tell the story of the college football 78 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 4: season now getting this type of attention and credit. I 79 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 4: do understand that, like the macro narrative is right, it's 80 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 4: a little bit more of a meat and potatoes draft, 81 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: which I think is true. Like a lot of good 82 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 4: offensive offensive linemen who like there gets a big question 83 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 4: with a bunch of them, are like are they going 84 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 4: to say as tackles orright? 85 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, isn't that always the big question? 86 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 5: That's the Wings fan, right. 87 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: You take somebody with forty eight starts in the left 88 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: tackle and then they're like, he's got to play center 89 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: at the next level or he's never gonna make it. 90 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 5: I'm like, really, yeah, has been crazy. 91 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: Also feels like there's a ton of good edge guys, 92 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 4: and obviously that's interest of interest to Falcons fans. 93 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 5: I love that. 94 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: There's another One of my other hidaways from this week 95 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: already is like, thank god they like labeled that position 96 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: edge because I mean, like you used to have to 97 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 4: these guys be listed as defensive line or linebackers. This 98 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: isn't really what they do, I know. So I love 99 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: that as well, and I think there's a lot of 100 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 4: great players there. There's a lot of great defensive players 101 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: in general in this draft, Like I love the d 102 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: tackles from Michigan. They were game wreckers as well. So 103 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 4: there's just a lot of really intriguing prospects. But yes, 104 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: it may not be like it's it's not a quarterback 105 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 4: heavy draft. I also think that the wide receiver isn't 106 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 4: really as interesting as it's been in years past. 107 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and with wide receivers, it's one of those things 108 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: where it's like it's a deep class of wide receivers, 109 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: but you're not guys, you're not getting that kind of. 110 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: Like the like those guys were so obvious like first 111 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 4: round talent and like ted Roald McMillan's great, he is awesome. 112 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 4: If Travis Hotter was at a receiver, I also think 113 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 4: he'd be in the mix. But it's just not it's 114 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 4: it's just not the same. So I feel like, without 115 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 4: like the sexiness of like a bunch of quarterbacks and 116 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 4: a bunch of star receivers and like they're just walking 117 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: highlight reels, it feels different. And it feels also like 118 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 4: the for couple of picks could go in a lot 119 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 4: of different ways, which I also feel even by the combine, 120 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: usually you're like, all right, everyone knows it's gonna be 121 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 4: Killa Williams and then jam or whatever. Like you're starting 122 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 4: to start the draft of four right now. I think 123 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 4: like it'll be interesting to see who actually goes one. 124 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: Right, So last year, I mean we saw fourteen offensive 125 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: players go before the Colts take Leati Latsu at fifteen. 126 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: I mean, do you feel like it seems this year's 127 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: draft is defense oriented? Like do you feel we could 128 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: see twelve defensive players go off the board before the 129 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: Falcons are at fifteen? 130 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 6: How do you weigh all that? 131 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 4: I also feel like there's a scarcity mindset, so like 132 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 4: you know, if someone does need a receiver first off, 133 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 4: I think the two tight ends are phenomenal, like Tyler 134 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 4: Warren and christ Lovelin, So like I'm really excited about 135 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 4: both of. 136 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 5: Their careers as pros. 137 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 4: So I do think like other positions would be very interesting. 138 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I think Ashton Genty is gonna go I 139 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: would hope goes, you know, maybe in that ten to 140 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 4: fifteen range or above. 141 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 5: So I think that there will be the. 142 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 4: Offensive players that are this special ones they're just not 143 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: necessarily like receivers or I mean, McMillan might still go 144 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 4: that high too. 145 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 5: But like last year, the. 146 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 4: Run of quarterbacks was crazy too, and you could just 147 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 4: feel that everyone's like, oh my god, wait, what if 148 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 4: I don't get one of these guys, like I gotta 149 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 4: get him now. And maybe someone feels that way about 150 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 4: Jackson Dart. Maybe they feel that like he is a 151 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 4: clear number QB three and they're worried that if they 152 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 4: don't get him at the end of the first round, 153 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: like he won't be there. Yeah, and then you're stuck 154 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 4: with guys that are you have a lot more questions about. 155 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 4: So I think that it's possible with that. I also 156 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 4: think that like again the edge the corners, like there's 157 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 4: enough really talented defensive players that like, I'm sure if 158 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 4: the Falcons keep your pick, they'll they'll have options there. 159 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: But yes, it does feel like overall the story of 160 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 4: the first round will be the defensive guys, and like, 161 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: those are the guys that you know, I think can 162 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 4: impact these teams, Like in year one, who. 163 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: Are some guys, particularly when you're talking about maybe some 164 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: EDG dreshers. We'll just talk about ed dressers for a second. 165 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: Knowing that the Falcons pick at number fifteen, I keep saying, 166 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: that's prime real estate for probably one of. 167 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: The best in the class. When when you evaluate this. 168 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: Group of eddrushers, who sticks out to you and about 169 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: who could maybe be there at number fifteen? 170 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like those are two different questions, right, 171 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: because like some of the guys like Jalen Carter or 172 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 4: like Samark Stewart, like they could go higher, right, and 173 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: you're not sure they'll still be available. So I feel 174 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 4: like Mike Green and James Pearce are the guys that 175 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: I'm getting mocked to the Falcons a lot. Mikel Williams 176 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 4: I've seen, which I love the idea of the Georgia guys. 177 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: I mean I'm saying, right. 178 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: Great thing everyone I know everyone. That is something that 179 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: I get asked pretty much weekly. 180 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I love the idea of drafting 181 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: a Georgia guy for the Falcons and like immediately bringing 182 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 4: in all of the like very familiar fan base to it. 183 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: But also like these guys, we just saw the Eagles 184 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl. 185 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 6: With a whole bunch Georgia. 186 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 4: Literally like George's twenty twenty two defense, right, Yeah, so 187 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 4: I like that idea. I don't again, I don't know 188 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: who's gonna be available, but I like the idea of 189 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 4: if there is, if one of the Georgia defensive guys 190 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: is still there, taking him just because yes, like Kirby 191 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 4: Smart is clearly doing the right thing to prepare these 192 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 4: guys for the pros. But yeah, I mean, I think 193 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: there's a lot of guys that are going to probably 194 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 4: test really. 195 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 5: Really well the combine. 196 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: There's a bunch of like freakish athletic guys that are 197 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 4: playing these positions or can move around, but there's a 198 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 4: lot of great pass rushers, so I feel like they'll 199 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 4: be well positioned if they stay at fifteen h to 200 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 4: land one of them. But I'm just saying, like, if 201 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: I were in the mix, I would definitely be looking 202 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 4: at these Georgia guys if they're available. 203 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned Shamar Stewart, and I think the 204 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: Georgia guys also fall in this category of like production 205 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: versus traits. 206 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 6: Where do you fall on that. 207 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 5: Specific the like satline is so. 208 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: Wild with me compared to like when you see him 209 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 3: and you're like, this is the mountain out there on 210 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: the foot ball field people talk. 211 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, the way that they're talking about it, They're like, 212 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: oh my god, can't miss and then it's like one 213 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: and a half Sacks City, You're really right, okay, but yeah, 214 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 4: I mean the pressures he gets and it's so interesting too, 215 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 4: And that's that's what like, I'm really interested in coming 216 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: out of the combine once these teams are meeting with 217 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 4: these guys and then that information eventually trickles out to 218 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 4: us of like, well, okay, so what are they talking 219 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 4: about the scheme, the way they were used and in 220 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 4: different players, Like I'm gonna be talking to Kyle Kinnard 221 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 4: tomorrow and like, I'm very interested. His production went way 222 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 4: up in his one year at South Carolina and one 223 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 4: of the things that I'm very interested in talking to 224 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 4: him about is how he tweaked that right from going 225 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 4: from good to great but also to like finishing Sacks 226 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 4: so is that like, is that on the front end 227 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 4: of the play? Is that also on the back end, 228 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 4: Like what do you do to actually like turn play 229 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 4: as that could have been sacks, which South Carolina said 230 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 4: when they got him in as a transfer, they were like, oh, 231 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: we think. 232 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 5: He should have more sacks. Okay, so like how do 233 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 5: you actually do that? Right? 234 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 4: So with some of these like, I'm fascinated here some 235 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: of these players explain like why the sad line looks 236 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 4: a certain way. But I also think for defensive players 237 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 4: it never really tells the picture. You don't have as 238 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 4: many metrics in his data points as many data points. 239 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 4: So if you get good stuff now from PFF, and 240 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 4: there's definitely more measurables than there used to be in 241 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 4: game of impact, but it's still really hard to show 242 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: the impact of a defensive player, especially if. 243 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 5: They're not getting sacks. Right, you're just like can you 244 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 5: watch them? 245 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 4: And you're like, yeah, no, he jumps out, But like 246 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: that stuff is going to be very very interesting. And 247 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 4: I also feel like you also in this process, you 248 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: have different teams that talk themselves into potential or like 249 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 4: raw like they're like, oh, we. 250 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 5: Know we can get them there and. 251 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 4: Versus like, well, here is your full body work because 252 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 4: they started a lot or they had a lot of 253 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 4: snaps in college and maybe it's closer to their ceiling. 254 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 4: That's always an interesting question. 255 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: I'm curious. 256 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: This is not something that we I thought to ask 257 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: until you're talking about this, but I was curious your 258 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: opinion on when the Falcons took Michael Pennocks at number. 259 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 4: Eight at well, first of all, notorious in a group 260 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 4: chat with all of us and everyone was like, oh 261 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 4: my god, tours life just got fascinating. But I love 262 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 4: Michael Pettick Shueger like so, I love him so much. 263 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 5: I was so excited that he drafted so high. 264 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 4: But then what's so worry because you're like, are we 265 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 4: going to see him for. 266 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 5: A few years? 267 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 4: You know? That's know, he didn't know and just felt 268 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 4: like he was going to be put in an awkward 269 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 4: position to like answer questions about that. But oh my gosh, 270 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: I love Michael Penix Junior. He was the last player 271 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: I interviewed before COVID with World Show. 272 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: I was at Indiana Football. 273 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 8: Wow. 274 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: I was just doing a little spring tour and I 275 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 4: talked to him that last day and then everyone went 276 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 4: home for spring break and never. 277 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 5: Came back and then obviously in the world. 278 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 4: But but no, so like that's what I'm so interested 279 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: in with quarterback evaluation. 280 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 5: Remember how everyone was like he's so old. Yes, well 281 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 5: they were like he's so old, and he's so injured. 282 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, Like. 283 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 4: So you get to my age feels like yeah, you're 284 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 4: like all right, well you're like a year old, like ancient. Yeah, 285 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 4: but like I hope, and it seems like veteran college 286 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 4: quarterbacks are now what you want because you're throwing them 287 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 4: in to the fire really soon. Like if you're using 288 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 4: a pick that high on a quarterback, people are gonna 289 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 4: want to see them. 290 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty soon. 291 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 4: And like there are certain guys you just you can't. 292 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 4: They're just they're too raw, they're not ready. And he 293 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: was so experienced and like had such a great command 294 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 4: of Washington's offense through the most beautiful deep. 295 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: Ball that I've seen in years and for multiple years, 296 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: like yeah, and you're. 297 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 4: And he'd seen it all right, and and you like, 298 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: so I was like, oh, he's gonna I think he's 299 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 4: gonna be great in the NFL. And I hate those 300 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 4: arguments of like he's old or he's injured, and I 301 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 4: only worry with quarterbacks is like that they get put 302 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 4: in a situation where either the offensive line is so 303 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 4: weak and they get beat up a lot when they 304 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 4: first get into the actually playing. 305 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 5: I love in Chicago. 306 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: I've seen the Bears do this, Like you know it's 307 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 4: but that stuff always worries me. But I like was 308 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: so excited about him, loved him as a person as well. 309 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 5: I would be a great like base of an organization. 310 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: But I do think like that's kind of I'm hoping 311 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 4: that people are learning that the veteran experienced quarterbacks and 312 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 4: you have them. Cam Ward has been through so many 313 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 4: different levels of college football. Shuder has taken a lot 314 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 4: of hits because of offensive line he was behind, and 315 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 4: also some of his decisions. These are experienced guys Jackson 316 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: Dart as well, Like all of these guys Tyler Shuck, 317 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 4: They've been multiple places, they've learned, they've seen it all, 318 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 4: and I'm excited to see the way that the NFL 319 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 4: evaluates them, knowing that with these younger quarterbacks, people are 320 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 4: not patient and it might be better to have someone 321 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 4: that we're like a Will Howard who like no one's 322 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 4: talking about right, and he'll be you know, a later 323 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: quarterback taken. 324 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 5: Well, what did he learn? 325 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 4: He learned a lot, Yes, he did, got around a 326 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 4: podcast for a second. He learned a lot in his 327 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 4: year at Ohio State and like developed differently as a quarterback, 328 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: and like. 329 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 5: The way that he was making reads and decisions. 330 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 4: So like, I just want the NFL to reflect like 331 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 4: what we've seen from some of these veteran quarterbacks, especially 332 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 4: like we're kind of at the tail end of the 333 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: COVID extra eligibility where they were like we're getting seven 334 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 4: year guy. Yeah, but I just think that seems to 335 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 4: be so valuable and the upside of the experience is 336 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 4: so much more valuable to me than like, oh, they're 337 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 4: already at x age and therefore the clock starts, especially 338 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 4: with quarterbacks. 339 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 5: Quarterbacks we saw some Brady Plando's forties right are doing? 340 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, everything's changed so much, so we don't want to 341 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: keep you too much longer. 342 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: But we do have some rapid fire questions that we're. 343 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: Gonna give to basically everybody who stops by. So first question, 344 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: if you are the Falcons at number fifteen, who are 345 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: you taking? 346 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm gonna go with the mox right 347 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 4: now with Mike Green. Yeah, I like a story and 348 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 4: the skill set. I mean, I just those are the 349 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 4: kinds of players that, like, I feel like the draft, 350 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 4: like this whole process is for Yeah, they uncover those guys. 351 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, many Marshall Thundering Herd fans out there who are. 352 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 6: Just turning on. 353 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: Maybe they're watching right now. 354 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: My dad is my dad is one, so you know, 355 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: I like, like. 356 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: You know, when you find a band before they become 357 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 4: he's my guy. 358 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 6: No better feel like okay. 359 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: Second question the Falcon, and this is it's important to 360 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: add this context. The Falcons do have the number fifteen 361 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: overall pick, but they only have five picks in this 362 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: year's draft. Would you stick at fifteen or are you 363 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: in the mindset of maybe pick up some more in 364 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: day two? 365 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: I think I stick because of the needs and the wants. 366 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 4: If you want these types of defensive guys, there are 367 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 4: a lot of them, but like they are going to 368 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 4: run out yea, And I think like first and second round, 369 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: there's a. 370 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 5: Ton of them. 371 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 4: But I don't know how long some of these good 372 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 4: edge guys or you know, if you're going a little 373 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: further back into the defense. 374 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 5: I just I don't know, it's. 375 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 4: Definitely got a lot of those guys, but you don't 376 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 4: want to miss right out if everybody else boosts their defense, 377 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 4: especially if you have positions of need that you need 378 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 4: to fill within pac players immediate, Yeah, bet are right there. Yeah, 379 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 4: And I just feel like the scary like as soon 380 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 4: as some of these guys start coming off the board, 381 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: people are going to freak out and start going up 382 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: to try to get some of them. 383 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: They think, Yeah, the run's going to happen. Do you 384 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: have a favorite player in this draft? You know, maybe 385 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: amongst the names that we're not talking about. 386 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna say a position group. I'm gonna say 387 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 4: the running backs because I'm very interested to see we 388 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: were talking about this earlier. If like there is an 389 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 4: adjustment after seeing what the special backs did in the 390 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: NFL this year. Are people gonna talk themselves into Amari 391 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 4: and Hampton, Caleb Johnson like some of these guys that 392 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 4: are that maybe, Like I think everyone's gonna fall in 393 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: love with Ashton Genty. He is great personality. Like my 394 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: image of the season with him outside of like when 395 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 4: you would just kind of stand like people like stand 396 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 4: like in the backfields is so intimidating he just like 397 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 4: wouldn't like crouch down, like it was just standing tall? 398 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 4: Was that like when they went for the Heisman in 399 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 4: New York and they went and did a whole day 400 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: of New York sits saying he was like Hedgetoe Boise 401 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 4: Staate year. He was like in bright orange and everyone 402 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 4: else was just wearing normal clothes. Go and I'm like this, 403 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 4: he loves poise so much and he was wrapping it, 404 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 4: getting all the publicity for it. And this was after, 405 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 4: you know, he had an opportunity to go do an 406 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 4: nil deal and go play in a power conference program 407 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: and he didn't. So people are gonna if they don't 408 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 4: already love Ashton Gent, they're gonna fall in love with him. 409 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 4: It does that end up pulling up some of the 410 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 4: other running backs, Do people realize like, hey, maybe we 411 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 4: do want a guy that, especially the younger ones, that 412 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 4: we think can be that type of special player for 413 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 4: us that can either maybe open up the pass game 414 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: because maybe we feel better about that maybe there isn't, 415 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 4: you know, a receiver that we love or the tight 416 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 4: ends are gone, and so maybe we're gonna invest in 417 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 4: the run game. I'm interested to see if that ends 418 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 4: up happening, Like I think amar and Hampton is someone 419 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 4: that is going to rise and was really special. 420 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 5: But again, how many. 421 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 4: People were like actively seeking out North Carolina games, especially 422 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: you know when they're struggling and then things are turning 423 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 4: in the in the downward direction at the end of 424 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 4: Mac Browns tenure. So that's where I'm interested in positional 425 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 4: value because like that stuff drives me crazy when people 426 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 4: are like, oh, they're like interchangeable or like don't pay 427 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 4: the running backs like no, like there are special talents 428 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 4: and obviously Falcons fans are aware of the person. So 429 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 4: I'm interested to see like how that goes from the draft. 430 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 4: And Caleb Johnson was also terrific at Iowa. Again, it's 431 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 4: like you know that there are just certain programs where 432 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 4: like they do certain things, so you kind of take 433 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: it for granted. But he was really really special as well, 434 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 4: and he would have been the joke Walker winner if 435 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 4: Ashon Genti didn't exist. So just interested to see how 436 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 4: that position is valued in this draft. 437 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating. Ste Thank you so much for sitting down 438 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: with us. I very much enjoyed this conversation. Yeah, anytime, guys. Okay, 439 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: the first things first, we really need to talk and 440 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: set the stage about this draft class overall. So as 441 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: you're looking at I guess college football's best and who's 442 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: coming up and who could potentially be candidates in this 443 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: first round, what do you kind of think about this group? 444 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 7: So, like, I don't think it's a great year to 445 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 7: have a top ten pick. I don't think it's gonna 446 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 7: be a great draft. From an entertainment perspective, I love 447 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 7: the draft, like meet that clear, like like the worst 448 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 7: drafts are super entertaining to me. Yeah, But as far 449 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 7: as like the casual fan, somebody who's wondering who they're 450 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 7: gonna put on their fantasy team in the fall, Like, 451 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 7: it's not that draft, right, it's I think, really you 452 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 7: have two elite players. The more people I talk to, 453 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 7: the more that sort of solidified, say Abdul Carter, the 454 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 7: pass rusher from Penn State, Travis Hunter, of course, the 455 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 7: Heisman winner from Colorado, and then taking the quarterbacks out 456 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 7: of it, like almost like this clump of players that 457 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 7: are in that like in the same sort of area 458 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 7: and maybe just below blue chip And that's Will Campbell, 459 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 7: the LSU offensive tackle who might be a guard. It's 460 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 7: Mason Graham, the Michigan defensive tackle who's short and has 461 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 7: short arms. It's Ted McMillan, who's six foot five, but 462 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 7: there are some questions when you dig into him a 463 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 7: little bit. So like, there are good players and if 464 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 7: you have a high pick, you got a chance to 465 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 7: get a guy who's going to be a really good 466 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 7: player for you. But it's not what you normally see 467 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 7: at that level the draft. And so I think that's 468 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 7: something that teams have to, you know, sort of wrap 469 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 7: their heads around. And the teams that are drafting like five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 470 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 7: they may be drafting for need you know what I 471 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 7: mean when you generally you don't want to be doing 472 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 7: that that early. But that's sort of what the draft, 473 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 7: what this draft is, I think. So and then you 474 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 7: get out of the first round and now all of 475 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 7: a sudden, it's like okay, like they're starters in a 476 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 7: second and third round and there's some depth here and 477 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 7: so it's a good draft to have picks. I'd say, 478 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 7: you know, twenty to one hundred, like if you're in there, 479 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 7: like you can wind up doing good business. 480 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 3: It's it's interesting, you know, you mentioned kind of the 481 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: players who maybe have that elite type of something, but 482 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: like they also have those questions when you look at 483 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 3: the edge rushers, right, and then that's what we expect 484 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons to be doing a lot of homework on. 485 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 6: It almost feels like it's a little bit of the reverse. 486 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: You get a Shamar Stewart who is like physically checks 487 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: all the boxes and is really impressive, but the production 488 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 3: isn't there. And you look at some of the Georgia 489 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 3: guys like same thing where they've got maybe elite. 490 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 6: Traits, but the production is there. So how do you 491 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 6: view this edge rush class? 492 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 7: Oh so there's there's not like a Mile Scarett. You know, 493 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 7: there's not a g Debian Clowney. There's not like the 494 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 7: you know, proto type like looks like he was built 495 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 7: in the lab. Edge rusher Abdul Carter is great, He's 496 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 7: a little different than that, you know, but like there's 497 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 7: this a position where there's a lot of depth, I 498 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 7: think the defensive line in general. If you're looking to 499 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 7: like emulate what Philly built, there's opportunity to do that 500 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 7: this year because you can look, you can go down 501 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 7: the list of of of of the guys and you 502 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 7: can get into the second and third round and you 503 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 7: might be able to still find players there. So like 504 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 7: that's sort of the give and take is like you 505 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 7: don't have like the again, like the prototype like looks 506 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 7: like he's supposed to look, plays like he's supposed to. Like, 507 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 7: you don't have that, but you've got, like you said 508 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 7: Shamar Stewart, James Pierce, like you have guys like deep 509 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 7: in the first round who have a chance to be 510 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 7: really good players. And that continues into the second round, 511 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 7: both with the d tackles and the edge guys. 512 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: So if you're the Falcons, and you know this is 513 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: going to be one of my later questions in our 514 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: rapid fire that we're doing at then, but I'm just 515 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and ask it. If you're the Falcons 516 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: at number fifteen overall and you're kind of talking picks 517 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: twenty to one hundred and the Falcons have only five 518 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: total draft picks in their entire class with a lot 519 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: of needs, specifically defensively, is that something If you're Terry Fano, 520 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: you're on the phone, we trade down. 521 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, trying to trade down and maybe replacing the third 522 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 7: round pick or trying to replace the third round pick 523 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 7: you lost yep, you know from in the Matthews Judon trade. 524 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 7: Could you drop down ten spots and pick up a three? 525 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 7: Like that's something you be looking at. Then the question becomes, well, 526 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 7: what is somebody coming up for exactly like that? And 527 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 7: if it is, if you are to point in the 528 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 7: draft where it is really flat and teams are saying 529 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 7: there's not a big difference, well then you need like 530 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 7: a run on a position, you know what I mean? Like, say, 531 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 7: the first group of edge rushers are coming off the board, 532 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 7: Now do you want to take one? 533 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 5: Yeah? 534 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 7: Like, or is it worth it to trade down and 535 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 7: have some team come up and flip you a Day 536 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 7: two pick? Like I certainly think something like that would 537 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 7: be in play for the Falcons, like if they can 538 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 7: find a way to recoup the pick they lost there 539 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 7: in that trade. Again, like bas on the makeup of 540 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 7: the class, I think there'd be something you'd be looking 541 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 7: to do. Now again, it's gonna but it's gonna boil 542 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 7: down to there being something there for somebody to come 543 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 7: up and get. 544 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 8: Right. 545 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's easier said than done, right, And I love 546 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 3: kind of the way it's so easy just to sit 547 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 3: here and say, well, of course you just move down, 548 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 3: you get some more picks, but like the reality of 549 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 3: that situation is much harder, and the positions it feels 550 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: like there could be a run on to your point, 551 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 3: maybe the Falcons want to be in that run, right, 552 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 3: They want to be part of that mix. So maybe 553 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 3: pivoting away from the draft and looking at at the 554 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: current iteration of the Falcons. Obviously here at the comment 555 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: a lot of the conversation is centering around Kirk Cousins, 556 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 3: what the Falcons might do. Michael Pennix, you know there 557 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 3: he starts, he had look great, checked a lot of boxes. 558 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 3: He is to start of moving forward. So how do 559 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 3: you make sense of what the Falcons may do? 560 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 7: Well, history tells me he's not gonna be on the team. 561 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 7: It's just again, I know what Terry said, you know, 562 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 7: at the podium, and but it's really hard to find 563 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 7: a situation like this one where you've turned the you've 564 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 7: turned the keys over to a first round quarterback who's young, 565 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 7: who's still in a rookie contract, and you have the 566 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 7: guy he replaced on your roster the year after. It 567 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 7: just there just aren't examples of it. And so I 568 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 7: think you know, over the next couple of weeks, they're 569 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 7: gonna be working to try to trade them. I do 570 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 7: think like one thing you potentially could do is try 571 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 7: to buy a draft pick and say, all right, like 572 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 7: we're gonna trade Kirk. We're gonna pay down a certain 573 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 7: amount of his contract, and we're gonna ship him off 574 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 7: to Cleveland. Say like, you know, he's twenty seven and 575 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 7: a half million, we'll pay off ten We'll pay down 576 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 7: ten million dollars of that. If you flip us a 577 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 7: three and then you get and and and you get Kirk. 578 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 7: You could get creative like that. I don't know if 579 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 7: they'd have any takers on some on an idea like that, 580 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 7: but you could get creative that way. And you know 581 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 7: if if if you don't have a taker, then I 582 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 7: think that's where the rubber hits the road. And now 583 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 7: you got to make a decision on what you want 584 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 7: to do. And you know, I'm I'm a proponent for 585 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 7: creating the best environment you can for your young quarterback. 586 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 7: And I think it's just it'd be a little funky 587 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 7: to have Kirk Cousins just there, you know what I mean, 588 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 7: Like and when he when he doesn't want to be 589 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 7: and I'm not saying Kirk would cause a problem, but 590 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 7: there's a natural awkwardness to that. And I do think like, 591 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 7: in an ideal world, you want to clear the decks 592 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 7: and have it be Michael Pennix's team. So when you 593 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 7: get out there and OTAs, there's no question it's it's 594 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 7: his team and you're going forward with him as the quarterback. 595 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 7: You know, you you want to prevent a situation where, 596 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 7: you know, if he throws a bunch of picks in 597 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 7: a preseason game, it's like, well maybe we should just 598 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 7: flip back. You want to avoid those sorts of things. 599 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 7: So so yeah, I like I my guess would be 600 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 7: Kirk is somewhere else next year. 601 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: What what do you think the market would be like 602 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: for Kirk Cousins As you're kind of talking with people, 603 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: and I know there are some quarterback hungry teams across 604 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: the league, But when it comes to what he is 605 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: and what he does, is there interesting? 606 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 7: I think it comes down to like, like how desperate 607 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 7: another team is, and like how and look like I 608 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 7: think they'd need some dominoes to fall first, right, what's 609 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 7: happening with Matthew Stafford? If Matthew Stafford isn't available, Like 610 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 7: where are the Giants looking? Where are the Steelers looking? Like? 611 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 7: Do you get to a point where there just aren't 612 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 7: very many starting quarterback options out there? What happens with 613 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 7: Sam Darnold? 614 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 6: You know? 615 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 7: And you know, like the tricky thing about it for 616 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 7: the Falcons is that you have that trigger in his 617 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 7: contract where the ten million dollars guarantees for twenty twenty 618 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 7: six in the middle of marchep. So he's not going 619 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 7: to be on the team. You don't want to wait until, 620 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 7: you don't want to wait too long and have you 621 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 7: know that that guarantee vest So it's I mean, it's 622 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 7: I think it's it's I think you sort of sit 623 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 7: on him and you hope that some of these other 624 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 7: situations play out in a way that creates some sort 625 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 7: of desperate bidder that's going to come in and give 626 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 7: you something for him. And that's not to say he 627 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 7: can't play, but I just don't think anybody's trading for 628 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 7: him at twenty seven and a half million, especially when 629 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 7: they know the Falcons might be in a put in 630 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 7: a position where they're going to have to cut him. 631 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 7: So I think that part of it is it's just 632 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 7: it's a difficult situation, and I look like I wouldn't 633 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 7: rule out either, Like maybe they wind up over the 634 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 7: next few weeks doing what the Rams did with Stafford 635 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 7: and give him permission like hey, like we know you 636 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 7: want to go start somewhere, Like let's put it on 637 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 7: you and like let's see if there's a suitor out 638 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 7: there who's willing to to pick up some of this 639 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 7: contract it a little easier on us. 640 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 3: Could you see a situation you mentioned, you know, kind 641 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 3: of like the desperation of other teams where you pay 642 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 3: that ten million dollars to move it down the line 643 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 3: into training camp close to the start of the season 644 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 3: where injuries happened. Maybe a team does become a little 645 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 3: bit more desperate at the quarterback situation and all of 646 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 3: a sudden, we got Kirk Cousins for you. 647 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 7: Let's yeah, I mean, like that's the whole like Sam 648 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 7: Bradford solution, right like where you know, the Eagles got 649 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 7: really lucky, you know, and you know, I hate to 650 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 7: say luck because it was like an awful injury they 651 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,239 Speaker 7: tapping a Teddy Bridgewater they created that, but like it 652 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 7: was like this unbelievable circumstance that came up that generated 653 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 7: somebody generated a bitter It was willing to give up 654 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 7: a first round pick to bring in Sam Bradford, and 655 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 7: they felt good about where Carson Wentz was, so like 656 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 7: everything sort of aligned. It's difficult to count on that. Yeah, 657 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like that's the thing is, 658 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 7: like it's an easy thing to say, somebody's gonna have 659 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 7: an injury. Yeah, like you you could wind up just 660 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 7: left holding the bag, right, you know, So I don't 661 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 7: think that can be your plan, Like I think you're 662 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 7: I think if you're going to do that, it has 663 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 7: to be like you have to sit down and you 664 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 7: have to level with him and you have to say, look, like, 665 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 7: if something comes available, we're very open to trade. We're 666 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 7: very open to trading you, but we're going to hold 667 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 7: on to you right now, and you have to have 668 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 7: him on board with it. And I Kirk's a pretty 669 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 7: good guy, but I think he does want to go 670 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 7: play somewhere, and so it'll be interesting to see the way. 671 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 8: All that plays out. 672 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 5: Something else I'm interested in knowing your opinion about. 673 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: You know, you can talk all day long about the 674 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: first round picks of the Atlanta Falcons over the last 675 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: four years. 676 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: Jon Drake, Mike. Kyle Pitts is. 677 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: Somebody who I think is a big question mark for 678 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people when we're talking about market value 679 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: and we're talking about what a team could do with. 680 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: Someone like Kyle Pitts. 681 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: What do you kind of see as a future for 682 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: him as a former number four overall pick, but maybe 683 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: someone who didn't live up to expectations. 684 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think you should have to have 685 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 7: a plan for him. I don't think he's going to 686 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 7: fit into an offense and a convey way and like, 687 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 7: look like last year, I mean, for most of the year, 688 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 7: he wasn't the best tight end of the team, you 689 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 7: know what I mean. Like, and that was just the 690 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 7: hard cold reality of the situation. It wasn't it wasn't really, 691 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 7: There wasn't really much more to it than that a 692 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 7: new staff came in that didn't make the investment in him, 693 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 7: and that it wasn't the team to pull the trigger 694 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 7: on that draft pick. And so, you know, like he 695 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 7: was in a position where he truly had to compete 696 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 7: and he didn't. He didn't win the job resoundingly enough 697 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 7: to have that sort of opportunity where they were going 698 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 7: to generate something for him. And that's the thing that 699 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 7: people miss sometimes too, is with some of these guys 700 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 7: where it's like you have to have a plan for him. 701 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 7: A lot of people will say, well, well, that's just coaching, 702 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 7: come up with a plant. Well, the guy has to 703 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 7: be good enough to The guy has to be a 704 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 7: good enough player for you to be willing to accommodate 705 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 7: somebody in that way. Right, Like if we're talking about 706 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 7: Jamire Gibbs for example, right, the Lions accommodate because he's awesome. 707 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: They accommodate him recruiting out of Dalton High School in Georgia, 708 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: so he was always He's always been that guy. 709 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 7: The Chiefs make accommodations for Travis Kelsey. He's a Hall 710 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 7: of Famer. So it's I say, you have to come 711 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 7: up with you have to have a plan for him, 712 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 7: But he also has to be effective enough to make 713 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 7: it worth going outside the structure of what you already 714 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 7: do to create that plan for him. You can't just 715 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 7: have like five skill players out there with different plans 716 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 7: for all. It doesn't work, you know what I mean. Like, So, like, 717 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 7: I think that's a huge part of it with a 718 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 7: player like him, that's unique and different. Is like, yeah, 719 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 7: you have to have a plan for him. He has 720 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 7: to be good enough to merit to warrant that plan, 721 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 7: and we'll see if he can find a place that 722 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 7: that that that'll do that for him. 723 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 3: Somebody on kind of like the other end of the 724 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 3: spectrum is Grady Jarrett And if you're looking at the 725 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 3: like he has been here in Atlanta as a mainstay 726 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: for the last decade, is a huge member of the community, 727 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 3: fan favorite, big part of the team in the locker room. 728 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: But it's going to be thirty two this year. Last 729 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: year two and a half sacks, only eighteen pressures. Yeah, 730 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 3: so as they're looking at maybe getting under the cap 731 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: and if you look at what his cap hit would 732 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 3: be versus the savings that you can accrue, like it's 733 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 3: fair to say, how you go about kind of creating 734 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 3: some of that space for yourself. Where do you see 735 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 3: Grady Jarrett as a player at this point in time, 736 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 3: and how do you weigh personally, like the value a 737 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 3: player brings to a franchise in the locker room, in 738 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 3: the community versus what they're bringing on the film. 739 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's important to have guys like 740 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 7: that and I think, you know, Grady Jarrett's obviously had 741 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,239 Speaker 7: a huge impact over there and tying eras together. And 742 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 7: you know, like I think a player's institutional knowledge of 743 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 7: a place can be valuable too, you know. I I 744 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 7: think he's he plays a position where those guys, if 745 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 7: you start to pace them and you use them a 746 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 7: little bit differently, they can play forever. Big guys generally last, 747 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 7: like and whether it's offensive line or defensive line. If 748 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 7: a guy's a good enough player and great he is, like, 749 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 7: you can find a role for him. It's to me, 750 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 7: I think like for the Falcons, then it would be 751 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 7: like coming up with all right, here's our plan and 752 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 7: him being on board with it, and this is how 753 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 7: we're going to pay you now because of this is 754 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 7: what your role is. You're starting to get to that 755 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 7: part of that point in his career. And yeah, I 756 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 7: think a lot of times when you have the relationship 757 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 7: he has with the organization, those things can't be worked out. 758 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: Well, we don't want to keep you too much longer, 759 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: but we do have some rapid fire questions for you. 760 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: So first things first, if you are the Falcons on 761 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: the clock at number fifteen in the twenty twenty five 762 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: NFL Draft. 763 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 2: What are you doing? 764 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 7: I'm traded down, but like I said, it might not 765 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 7: be and there might not be the opportunity to do it. 766 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 7: I do think like the lack of numbers and their 767 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 7: draft picks, like, I think that they probably would like 768 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 7: to to to add some more capital. If I'm at 769 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 7: if I'm at fifteen, I'm probas probably looking at at 770 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 7: the edge rush class. I think that's a good situation 771 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 7: for the Falcons because the strength of the class matches 772 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 7: up with your need. And my guess would be that's 773 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 7: probably like Shamar Stewart, James Piers territory, right, Like, so 774 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 7: the guys you're getting there aren't perfect. James Pierce is 775 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 7: a little undersized. Shamar Stewart's production, like you said, doesn't 776 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 7: match up with his physical tools. So you're going to 777 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 7: have to project a little bit with whoever you take there. 778 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 7: But like that feels like the right place for somebody 779 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 7: like one. 780 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 8: Of those guys. 781 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 2: Last question and then we'll let you go. 782 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: When you look at this draft class overall, do you 783 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: have a guy that you are really high on, a 784 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: guy that you're really looking forward to seeing what he? 785 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 7: Yes, I mean like Mason Graham from Michigan made my 786 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 7: November thirtieth really miserable. So I I think he's going 787 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 7: to be a really good player in the pros. I 788 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 7: think he's a really a really clean a really clean 789 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 7: evaluation for scouts is what I've gotten back from from teams, 790 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 7: Like you have an idea of a really solid idea 791 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 7: of what he's going to be. He's not. He's not like, 792 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 7: he's not a guy who's going to be the star here, 793 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 7: you know what I mean. Like he's got shorter arms, 794 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 7: but he is a game wrecker on the interior. And 795 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 7: I I just think of like some of these guys 796 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 7: that are middle of the fairway picks right like and 797 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 7: I great example of it a couple of years ago 798 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 7: is Trent McDuffie. Like Trent McDuffie was a middle of 799 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 7: the fairway pick and it was and the chiefs knew it. Like, 800 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 7: you know, even if you don't get an All Pro, 801 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 7: you're getting a really good player. The character is off 802 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 7: the charts. He does all the right things. He's technically sound, 803 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 7: he's consistently gotten better in his time as a collegiate. 804 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 7: He's coming from a good program, so Trent was like, yeah, 805 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 7: we know, we know what we're getting. You know, Barton 806 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 7: from from from Duke the Center, from Duke Graham, Barton 807 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 7: who went to who went to the Buck last year? 808 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 7: He was another one of those like middle of the 809 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 7: Fairwe I know what I'm getting. And I sort of 810 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 7: think like Mason Graham would be like maybe that guy 811 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 7: for this class, like I do more digging, but like 812 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 7: he'd be one. 813 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 8: You know. 814 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 7: I I'll bring up one of my Ohio state guys, 815 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 7: Travion Henderson. I think that a lot of people are 816 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 7: going to watch him and think that they can make 817 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 7: him Jamior Gibbs, and I think Gibbs's success in Detroit 818 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 7: is really going to help Henderson. He's a mother bleeper 819 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 7: of a pass block or two, tough as nails, really 820 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 7: good character wise. So he's one, He's another one. I'm 821 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 7: just trying to think. I want to come up with 822 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 7: another good name for you guys. This is like the 823 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 7: opposite of rapid Fire. 824 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 2: No, it's all good. This is actually where rapid fire 825 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 2: has turned into. 826 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 6: Just like we're all just what can you tell me 827 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 6: about Max Harston? 828 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 7: So I've heard he's going to be a star here, 829 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 7: like I've heard he's gonna run and jump and like 830 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 7: off the charts, and so he's one that I think 831 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 7: is is really interesting. There's a few really athletic corners 832 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 7: like God, the names escaping me, the Iowa State Corner hit, 833 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 7: the names escaping me. I'm learning, I want to get that. 834 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 7: I'm gonna get there. But he's one who you know, 835 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 7: I was talking to some of the Senior Bowl people 836 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 7: and he hit twenty two miles an hour during practices 837 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 7: at the Senior Bowl and the GPS, which I guess 838 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 7: I think it was there had only been five guys 839 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 7: over the last seven years who hit that speed and 840 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 7: four of them ran four to three. Five are faster 841 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 7: in Indy and the only two that ran faster they 842 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 7: had a faster time on the GPS than this guy 843 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 7: were ran in the four twos. 844 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 6: So and like of course, and of course. 845 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 7: I forget his name, but but yeah, like the Iowa 846 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 7: State Corners, another one of those. Like I do think 847 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 7: that there are the corner spot it's interesting. And then 848 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 7: I think you got a bunch of guys like that 849 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 7: where there's potential, like to go find really good players. 850 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 3: Like Trey Amos. I heard his name a ton. Yeah, 851 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 3: it's a really deep it feels like corner. 852 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 7: Yeah, So I think that there's like I think that 853 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 7: there's like a there's a bunch of guys who are 854 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 7: gonna athletically test really well, and uh, I think I 855 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 7: have a real chance. 856 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, thank you so much for sitting down with us. 857 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: We really appreciate it absolutely. 858 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: Go all right, Cam, I just want to get your 859 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: initial thought of the draft class overall, particularly the guys 860 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: that you're looking at in the first round and who 861 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: the Falcons could really be looking at at number fifteen overall. 862 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 2: Where are you kind of sitting right now? 863 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, first of all, the draft from a 864 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 8: national perspectacle hit on the two quarterbacks, cam Ward and 865 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,919 Speaker 8: Shador Sanders, and then Travis Hunter. Yeah, everybody's talking about 866 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 8: what position he's going to play. Heard the Titans say 867 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 8: earlier today that they think he's a corner. They're the 868 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 8: number one overall pick. The Browns that number two said 869 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 8: they think he's a receiver, and so you know, it's 870 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 8: it's good. It's good to be Travis Hunter. Where you 871 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 8: got teams that look at you in either way. So 872 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 8: to me, those are the things nationally I think for 873 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 8: the Falcons. I got a chance to talk to Raheem 874 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 8: Morris earlier. He talked about pass rush, pass rush, pass Russ, 875 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 8: Like it feels like four or five years in a row, 876 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 8: we've all said, hey, this is gonna be the year 877 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 8: the Falcons draft of pass for Russ. If I had 878 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 8: to handicap it right now, I feel like this is 879 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 8: the year the Falcons. 880 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: Yes, who has mocked a edge rusher to the Falcons 881 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: for four years in a row and I just keep 882 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: doing it over and over. I'm like, surely one of 883 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 1: them hit yes at some point. 884 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 8: Yeah. Just the odds, the odds, the chances of life, right, 885 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 8: this is a really good pass Russ class. Like, so 886 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 8: it's interesting because although we may mock a pass Russ, 887 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 8: this could be a year they decide to wait and say, 888 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 8: hey we can get a starter in the second round 889 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 8: and third round. And so it's a good year to 890 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 8: need a pass rusher, good defensive linement as well, And 891 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 8: so I definitely think this will be a defense focused 892 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 8: off season for them. They obviously have spent the last 893 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 8: few years upgrading their weapons with Bijon and Drake London 894 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 8: and call Pits and now you have your quarterback of 895 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 8: Michael Pennix, and so now it's time to get that defense. 896 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 8: And so regardless of whether it's pass rush in first 897 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 8: round or not, I think you're gonna see them in 898 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 8: free agency and in the draft go heavy defense and 899 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 8: rebuilding this unit up and try to take down Tampa. 900 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 6: You mentioned kind of like rounds two, rounds three. The 901 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 6: Falcons only have five draft picks. 902 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 3: They've got first round and then second round, and that's 903 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 3: the third. Like so when we look at at this 904 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 3: draft and you look at edge rusher, you look at 905 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 3: corner things like that, it feels like the real meat 906 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 3: of the value of those positions is kind of that 907 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 3: day to range. 908 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 8: YEP. 909 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 3: So if you're Atlanta, are you considering, Hey, do we 910 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,240 Speaker 3: trade back, do we maybe try to accumulate more picks 911 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 3: in that range, or do we stick at fifteen and 912 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 3: get one of these maybe like top tier guys who 913 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 3: individually could come in and be a difference. 914 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, talking to people here in Indy, this sounds like 915 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 8: a draft that's a little bit less heavy at the top, 916 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 8: more strong than the middle. And so this doesn't feel 917 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 8: like the year we're gonna make a big trade up 918 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 8: splash if anything gets what you're saying that you're gonna trade. 919 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 8: Was talking to someone last night and their thought was, Hey, 920 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 8: picks twenty to fifty, maybe the same caliber player. And 921 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 8: so if you're at that spot, then maybe you're sitting 922 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 8: back and you say, hey, whether it's at fifteen or 923 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 8: whether it's our second round pick, we trade back and 924 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,720 Speaker 8: get multiple in that group rather than having one outside 925 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 8: of it. And so I think they're in a good spot. 926 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,439 Speaker 8: Like Atlanta doesn't need a star player in my mind, 927 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 8: I just think you need two three really solid front 928 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 8: seven players to complete that group, and I think they'd 929 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 8: be in good shape. 930 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm curious from your perspective, and having spoken to Raheem 931 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: Morris earlier today, what was the point of your conversation 932 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: with him, What were you trying to get out of him? 933 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: And what was the main thing that you took out 934 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,280 Speaker 1: of that conversation. 935 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 8: Yeah, two things. One Like, obviously a big topic this 936 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 8: week is Kirk Cousins and what to do with him. 937 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 8: I'm sure He's had countless questions there. But to me, 938 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 8: more interesting for the Falcons future is like what's next 939 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 8: for Michael Pennix? Right, Like I think we're talking so 940 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 8: much about the backup, You forget about the starter, right, 941 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 8: And I remember covering that Week eighteen game, and I 942 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 8: know it was a lost but seeing Michael Pennix elevate 943 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 8: to a level that I don't think we even saw them, 944 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 8: even the Falcons that saw him using this legs and 945 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 8: ability that we hadn't seen in college. And I think 946 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 8: that poise is something to get excited about. And so 947 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 8: I really wanted to get from him, like what's next? 948 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,399 Speaker 8: What is things that you were working on him with 949 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 8: or things that you see in him that maybe we 950 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 8: haven't seen yet. And I thought he was really engaging 951 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,240 Speaker 8: about just you know, some of the behind the scenes 952 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 8: elements and some of the ways he's already connecting with 953 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 8: teammates that you don't always see a rookie do in 954 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 8: that level. And with more prep, you know, remember he 955 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 8: was thrown in, you know, as the starter with three 956 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 8: games left in the season. So you get more prep, 957 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 8: you start to see the hints of the elements that 958 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 8: we saw, You start to see those consistency, And that 959 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 8: was really the thing he's saying there, He said, we 960 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 8: started to see a level consistency that we maybe didn't 961 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 8: even anticipate. At that part. So now we're even pumped 962 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 8: about what's next. So I really wanted to hear more 963 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 8: about Michael Pennix and then you know, obviously Kirk, that'll 964 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 8: be something they figure out the next couple of weeks, 965 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 8: and if not, then he'll be a backup and he'll 966 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 8: be here for a while. You know, we're a little 967 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 8: bit of a stare down and that's that's life. Like 968 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 8: he made a comparison in our our talk. He said, 969 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 8: there's awkward situations all through like NFL locker rooms. Quarterback 970 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 8: is just the one that gets the publicity, and so 971 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 8: it's not unusual for a coach to have to deal 972 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 8: with a quote unquote awkward situation or a team to 973 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 8: And the reality is they've set up their roster now 974 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 8: with a quarterback on a rookie contract that you know, 975 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 8: the Kirk contract is not going to doom them from 976 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 8: being able to do what they need to do in 977 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 8: free agency or in the draft. So those were two 978 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 8: key elements there, and then I really just wanted to 979 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 8: get an idea of what he viewed as the next 980 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 8: step for this team. He talked about the six and 981 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 8: three start and finished how he finished is a big, 982 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 8: big key for them. They said they really felt like 983 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 8: they needed in the past rush department, but also, you know, 984 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 8: just knowing what you're chasing, and he was very transparent. 985 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 8: He said, we got to go beat Baker. He said, 986 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 8: that's it. You know, we got to go beat Baker. 987 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 8: That's that's our goal. And sometimes you got to talk 988 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 8: about it to see it realization. A lot of times 989 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 8: teams just say we were focusing on ourselves. We focusing ourselves, 990 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 8: and I'm I'm sure they are. But you've got a 991 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 8: team that's been at the top of your division for 992 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 8: a while. You've got to figure out what do we 993 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 8: need to do to overcome this one hurdle that's preventing 994 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 8: us from our goal. 995 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I do think you have to almost 996 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 3: kind of manifest and make it clear to everybody, Hey, 997 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,280 Speaker 3: here's the goal, here's the team you know that we're chasing, 998 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 3: or that we view ourselves in competition with. 999 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 6: But I totally agree with you. 1000 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 3: It's been really interesting to me to hear how the 1001 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 3: Falcons and Terry Fondau have and they've used the term 1002 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 3: baked in when they're looking at kind of the contract 1003 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 3: figures for that quarterback room and it seems like that's 1004 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 3: something that's happened around the league. And I'm curious if 1005 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 3: you've noticed other teams taking a similar approach to what 1006 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 3: is the most important position in sports? You know, is 1007 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 3: it really about the individual dollar figures for individuals or 1008 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 3: is it more just, Hey, as long as we get 1009 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 3: quarterback rights, it's okay to throw some money at multiple 1010 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:50,760 Speaker 3: players at the position. 1011 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 8: Yeah. I think one thing that a lot of people 1012 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 8: at home maybe don't think about is the cap situation 1013 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 8: rises tremendously every year. Like we're almost at three hundred 1014 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 8: million dollars for a cap, and so what may have 1015 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 8: been a huge, huge, you know, debilitating number previously may 1016 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 8: not be for here. And so like there's a lot 1017 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 8: of talk about the ten million dollars roster bonus that 1018 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 8: Kirk has roll. Ten million dollars ten years ago might 1019 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,800 Speaker 8: have been you know, debilitating here, it's not a huge 1020 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 8: hindrance for them. Baked in is a good word. They're 1021 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 8: gonna have to pay that money regardless, so it does 1022 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 8: not force their hand. To your point about the quarterback room, yeah, 1023 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 8: I think that you can look at it as a 1024 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,919 Speaker 8: conglomerate and say we're paying the quarterback room forty five 1025 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 8: million dollars instead of the thought of, hey, it's only 1026 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 8: five million for your starter and forty million for your 1027 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 8: your backup. I think that you're looking at a situation 1028 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 8: where there's teams all around the league that are paying 1029 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 8: fifty sixty million dollars for their quarterback. Of course, you 1030 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 8: want the cheap backup to manifest it, but for one year. 1031 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 8: I don't think it's anything different than what you know. 1032 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 8: Tamp is having to do with Baker, the Saints are 1033 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 8: having to do with Derek Carr in that situation, and 1034 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,359 Speaker 8: then eventually the Panthers will have to do with Rice Young. 1035 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm curious from your perspective and nationally, I think everybody 1036 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: always talks about kind of the Big three of the 1037 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: John Robinson, Drake London and Kyle Pitts and kind of 1038 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,719 Speaker 1: the different different views of where they are in their careers. 1039 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,760 Speaker 1: Where do you kind of land on the Kyle Pitts 1040 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: of it all when when you're looking at the type 1041 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,720 Speaker 1: of asset he could be, but also what his future 1042 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: could hold for a player of his caliber that maybe 1043 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: hasn't lived up to the expectation that you use a 1044 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: number four overall draft pick four. 1045 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll just keep it real. I think you have 1046 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 8: to change expectations, right, like the reality that I think 1047 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 8: everybody looks at it at the lens of Kyle Piss 1048 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 8: was a top five pick. Kyle Pists was top five pit. 1049 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 8: Yes he was, but this was a long time ago, right, 1050 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 8: and at some point, draft status can't be the one 1051 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 8: thing you hold on too. I think that he still 1052 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 8: can be a really good player in the league. He 1053 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 8: may never live up to a top five expectations. That 1054 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,879 Speaker 8: doesn't mean he can't be good in his own new expectations. 1055 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 8: And I think that's something that you'll see this year, 1056 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 8: whether he's here or not. I think you're going to 1057 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 8: see him be a little bit more relaxed, because sometimes 1058 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,839 Speaker 8: that pressure becomes debilitating on your own self. Right, You're 1059 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 8: always thinking, you know, I got to chase this. I 1060 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 8: got to chase the idea that I'm the best tight 1061 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 8: end the league because that's what I was drafted to be. 1062 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 8: I got to chase that rookie year when I had 1063 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 8: a thousand yards and that has to you know, whether 1064 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 8: I get it or not, it defines my success. No, 1065 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 8: you can have a good year where you're catching you know, 1066 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 8: sixty balls for eight hundred yards and six touchdowns. And 1067 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 8: I think that type of recalibration is something that, like, 1068 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 8: you know, knowing Kyle of it, I think that's going 1069 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 8: to be a focus point for him this year. And 1070 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 8: I think for Falcons fans, for people at home, you know, 1071 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 8: we have to get out of the idea of this 1072 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 8: guy's got to be looked through the frame of he's 1073 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 8: a top five pig. 1074 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: All right, well, we I definitely don't want to keep 1075 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: it too long. We know you got a lot of 1076 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,959 Speaker 1: things to do. But we have three rapid fire questions. 1077 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 8: RAI, let's do it. 1078 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 2: You ready, all right? 1079 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: If you're Terry Fontou in this Falcons team at number fifteen, 1080 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: what are you doing? 1081 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,720 Speaker 8: I am taking the best pass rusher available. I really 1082 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 8: believe that is the key to unlocking this defense. We 1083 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,839 Speaker 8: saw last year the end of the season, the pass 1084 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,359 Speaker 8: rush really came home with a lot of veteran guys. 1085 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 8: Guys are one year deals. Imagine if you have that 1086 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 8: home were so draft pass rusher there are you? 1087 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 3: Are you looking at stick and pick at fifteen or 1088 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 3: given what we talked about with that twenty to fifty range, 1089 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 3: do you want to accumulate. 1090 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 6: Maybe trade back and get some more picks. 1091 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 8: Yeah, I love the trade back. Five picks is not 1092 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 8: enough for me. I'm a big believer in that you 1093 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 8: have as many shots at the pie as possible. I 1094 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 8: think people overestimate sometimes their ability to hit the home 1095 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,879 Speaker 8: run pick, especially if you're not picking in the top five. 1096 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 8: So I trade back. 1097 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 2: All right, last question, We'll let you go. 1098 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 1: When you look at who could potentially go in the 1099 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 1: first round, who's your first round sleeper pick? 1100 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 2: A player that you are really excited to see what 1101 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 2: they could do in the league. 1102 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 8: That's a really good question. Let's go. I like there's 1103 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 8: a tight end out of LSU named Mason Taylor, really 1104 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 8: good player. I don't know if he's a fit for 1105 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 8: Atlanta because they have but I think Mason Taylor, son 1106 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 8: of Jason Taylor, actually play really good ball at LSU. 1107 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 8: I think that talking to some scouts, he's got some 1108 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 8: comps to Travis Kelce. He is a really big player. 1109 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,799 Speaker 8: He's not the new age tight end that runs a 1110 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 8: four to four, but he can do it all. To me, 1111 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 8: I think he's going to be a guy sneaks to 1112 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 8: the first round, and I think he's going to be 1113 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 8: a day one starter and a really good tight ending 1114 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 8: this leak so love it. 1115 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 2: Well, Thank you so much for sitting down with us. 1116 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. 1117 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 8: Thank you, appreciate y'all. 1118 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 6: Thanks An, absolutely