1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Here we go. It's Wednesday. It's our two. Joel Clatton 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: five minutes. He's got Ohio State, Penn State. 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: This weekend. 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: It is The Herd live in Chicago. So on Tuesdays, 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: I do Hurd hierarchy. One of the reasons I've had 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs number one for a month in 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: Herd hierarchy is the best way I would explain how 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: I view the Kansas City Chiefs is the same way 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: I view the company Apple. I don't always love the 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: stock price, but I trust the leadership and like the company, 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: don't always love the stock price. Not every product works. 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at Kansas City this morning. Their last 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: time they won a Super Bowl, they averaged twenty two 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: points a game. This year they're averaging twenty six. And 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Apple or the Chiefs ability to fix problems quickly. Like 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: their run game early this year was awful. Oh, I 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: watched that last week. Pretty good. Their O line lost 25 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: Joe Tooney was not good early. It's ranked fourth by 26 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: PFF today. Their wide receiver group six weeks ago kind 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: of a mess. Now I think it's the deepest in 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: the sport. I've said this about the Rams and McVeigh. 29 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: They just fixed stuff fast. The Kansas City Chiefs. I 30 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: don't always love the stock price or the products. Trust 31 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: the management. I trust the company. Chicago Bears Ben Johnson. 32 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: Last year Bears were dead last in offense. Right now 33 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: they're top twelve, and we still think they're inconsistent quarterback. 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: So I know they have the right coach. So everybody 35 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: has dips. It could be Meta, it could be Microsoft, 36 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: it could be the Kansas City Chiefs. 37 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: Say this for Sean Payton rebuilt them. 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, remember the Rams a couple of years ago. 39 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: Sean Payton rebuilt with the dead cap money of Russell Wilson. 40 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: They're still paying. Rebuilt them in a year, still paying 41 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: dead cap money. Kyle Shanan, to his credit, using a 42 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: backup quarterback. Eight high end starters gone still viable, still 43 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: in the playoff picture. I think it's mostly offensive guys. 44 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: I always say this, I can always tell when a 45 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: guy doesn't have real confidence. I mean, you can go 46 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 1: to the gym, have the big chest, you're going to 47 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: have the big truck. Well, when a guy is rich 48 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: and doesn't like change, he doesn't trust himself, forget what 49 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: he's projecting out. He didn't trust himself. Okay, Andy Reid 50 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: trusts himself. Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, they rebuild 51 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,839 Speaker 1: all the time, they move off stuff all the time, 52 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: and it's not working. That's the ultimate confidence it. They 53 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: just had to get that. They had to get Rashid 54 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: Rice back. I mean they still don't have their left 55 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: tackle O lines ranked fourth. If you really do trust yourself, 56 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: you're okay to rebuild stuff because you know you may miss, 57 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: but you're more likely to hit. It's like when Sean 58 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: Payton was calling out Russell Wilson. He didn't have Bonnicks yet, 59 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: but he knew it was a big quarterback draft coming up, 60 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: and he knew he was going to get one of 61 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: those quarterbacks. And he got the one he liked and 62 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: would turn it around. And he did, and he made 63 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: the playoffs in a division with Herbert and Mahomes. And 64 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: with that, Joel Clatt, the voice of college football, is 65 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: now joining us. He's got Penn State at Ohio State 66 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: this weekend. So you know these universities, they always squawk 67 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: about their running out of money. 68 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: Boy, the nil. How are we gonna make the nil work? 69 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: And then they buy out James Franklin and Brian Kelly 70 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: at LSU, So he got plenty of money. We were 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: talking about this. So Florida's got an opening, LSU's got 72 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: an opening, Penn State's got an opening. Now I think 73 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: a lot of it. Brian Kelly always felt Midwest to me, 74 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: not Southern. I didn't love the fit. But Urban Meyer 75 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: went down and won Natty's at Florida, and he's more Midwest. 76 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: If you said there was a the hottest coach in 77 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: the country, LSU, Florida, Penn State, Is there a best 78 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: job of those three? 79 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think LSU is and Colin. 80 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 4: I would go a step further and say I think 81 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 4: LSU is a top three job. 82 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: In the entire sport. 83 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: I think only Texas and maybe all Ohio State are 84 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 4: better than LSU. I think LSU is a better job 85 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 4: than BAMA. I think it's arguable between LSU and Georgia, 86 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 4: They've got incredible resources. The recruiting pipeline is right there. 87 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 4: You're in the middle of everything in terms of recruiting. 88 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 4: They have tradition, guys can win national championship there. So 89 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 4: it comes down to fit. I mean, why does Edozeron 90 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: fit at LSU and not Brian Kelly. I think it's 91 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 4: what you were just talking about about being rigid. You know, 92 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 4: ed Ojeron, you know, went down there and he was 93 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 4: flexible and did some things that maybe he was uncomfortable with, 94 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden they turned into the best 95 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 4: offense in the history of college football in twenty nineteen 96 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 4: with Joe Burrow and Brian Kelly. I mean, it was 97 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 4: the moment he stepped onto that basketball court and gave 98 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 4: the fake Southern accent. I couldn't unsee that or unhear that. 99 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 4: So every time I saw him in an LSU shirt 100 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 4: or hat, I couldn't unhear the fake accent. It was 101 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: never a good fit and the authentic his city was 102 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 4: never really there at LSU. Now starting to come out, 103 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 4: a lot of the former players are chirping on social 104 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 4: media and you're trying to decipher what that is and 105 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 4: peek under the hood a little bit. But fit is 106 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: very important. Back to your question about like best jobs, 107 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 4: I do think that LSU is the best one of 108 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 4: this cycle and Colin. I would say that these three 109 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 4: with Florida and Penn State, I think are three of 110 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 4: the top ten jobs in all of college football. And 111 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: I can't remember. Maybe I'm just being recency biased here. 112 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: I can't remember a time when we had this level 113 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 4: of openings, in particular in October. 114 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 3: That's never happened. 115 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 4: We can talk about the timing of these firings as well, 116 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 4: but these are massive jobs that are all looking for 117 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 4: like the A list guy, and I would actually make 118 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: an argument that the talent pool is more thin than 119 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 4: it's ever been. You know, this is going to produce 120 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 4: a bit of an arms race. Lane Kiffin likely will 121 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 4: end up being the highest paid coach in college football 122 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: because of this. Dan Lanning will likely end up being 123 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: a fifteen million dollars or a year coach because of this, 124 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 4: whether they stay in their respective spots or move. I 125 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: think LSU is going to call Urban and Nick Saban 126 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 4: because why wouldn't you I think they're going to call 127 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 4: Dan Lanning and they're going to offer him the moon. 128 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: LSU has a lot of money. This is what people, 129 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: I don't think understand. It's a little bit more quiet 130 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 4: than other places around the country, but they've got those 131 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 4: billionaires down there, trust me, and they've got a lot 132 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: of resources and money will not be the reason that 133 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 4: they miss on a coach here. But what they should 134 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: be thinking about is what we were just talking about, 135 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: which is fit. Who's the best fit for LSU, because 136 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 4: if you get the fit right, that's a place that 137 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 4: can win the national championship. 138 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: So two games this weekend are fascinating. If UFC loses 139 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: it in Nebraska and Vanderbilt beats Texas, Sark and Lincoln. 140 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: Riley are going to get major heat. 141 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: Now, Sark's got a bit of a pass because arch 142 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: Manning hurt may not play right. I saw some Sark 143 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: rumors come out about the NFL. I had said this 144 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: two months ago, like, I think he's the best candidate 145 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: out there from the college game is Sark. But I 146 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: think Texas is arguably the best job. So I would 147 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: stay in Austin. But just let's just look ahead, and 148 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: I know I always talk to USC but last time 149 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: you were on, you said it's better now, and I said, okay, 150 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: the offense was good four years ago. The offense was 151 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: smart and clever, and quarterback play was good. They were 152 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: very good at home four years ago, and they can't 153 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: win games on the road, and they're a much better program. 154 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: That's so surface, so certain. Maybe I'm surface, I'm in television. 155 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: Maybe just the makeup in the Maybe if they lose 156 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: to Nebraska, would. 157 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: You acknowledge is it's not better than three years ago? Yes? 158 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a great litmus test of I guess 159 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: our positions on this. You talked about like the offense 160 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 4: being clever and creative, that's because they had to be 161 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 4: because they weren't balanced. Now they're balanced and against the 162 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 4: teams that they can retain that balance, they are very 163 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 4: good now. Was Illinois good matchup for them? 164 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 5: No? 165 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: And Notre Dame. 166 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: No. 167 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: And that's where they need to continue to get better. 168 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: I believe they're on the trajectory towards getting better in 169 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 4: those areas, to be better at the line of scrimmage. 170 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 4: But but what's different now is that they will and 171 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 4: are committed to running the football and they should be 172 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 4: able to run it against Nebraska. Nebraska's ranked fifteenth in 173 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: the Big Ten. Stop in the run, and if you 174 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: allow Lincoln Riley and Jade Mayava to have a run game, 175 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 4: they will pick you apart. This is why it's different 176 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 4: now and it's much more sustainable. The one worry would 177 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: be like, is there defense going to be able to 178 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 4: stop the run of Nebraska. I think Nebraska's okay running 179 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 4: the football. They'll certainly try to test the interior of 180 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 4: that defensive line. But this has much more sustainability, and 181 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 4: the trajectory for USC is a lot more positive now 182 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 4: than it was even when they had Kayleb Williams, because 183 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 4: with Kayleb Williams, it was smoking mirrors Colin. It was 184 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 4: all surface, it was lipstick, it was vanity. Now there's 185 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 4: some substance there because of the balance that they play 186 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 4: with on the offensive side, and if they retain that 187 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 4: against Nebrassca, they'll win this weekend. 188 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 3: There's there's not a doubt in my mind. 189 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 4: In fact, I would take them and give the six 190 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: and a half because I don't think Nebraska stops the 191 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 4: run and there's no way that USC is going to 192 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: score under thirty five points if they're balanced. And if 193 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 4: you're telling me Dylan RelA is going to score thirty 194 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 4: or more points against USC, I would. I just don't 195 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: think that that's going to take place. 196 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: So I watched last week. 197 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: I watched Alabama and South Carolina play, and though it 198 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: was an a losing cause, I think I draft the 199 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: South Carolina quarterback first because I see juice. I've always 200 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: said that's about quarterback play. When I watch a college guy, 201 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: you got to give me one wow trait. I've got 202 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: to go wow. 203 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 3: No, So South Carolina, right, you're wrong again, You're wrong again. 204 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 3: Ty Simpson has no juice. He's doing no juice. Watch it, 205 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 3: Watch his intermediate throws. Watch him control the game from 206 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: the pocket, Colin, Colin, he is just who wins Super Bowls. 207 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 4: Guys that control through the game from the pocket control 208 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 4: the game. Now, you have to do those things first. 209 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: See this is this is and I bring this up 210 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: all the time, this is math. You gotta have algebra 211 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 4: one under your belt before you can go to algebra 212 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: two and then calculus and to all that. You got 213 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 4: to bake the cake first before you put frosting on it. 214 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: You want to go and you want to put the 215 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 4: wedding topper on it and get all the frivolous frosting. 216 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 3: On the cake. But you got to understand you've got 217 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 3: to make the cake first. And listen. 218 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 4: Sellers is a terrific player and he'll certainly be thought 219 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 4: of highly in the NFL draft. I think he's going 220 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 4: to be a top ten pick. I'm not saying that 221 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 4: he's bad, but I'm just saying if you compare their games, 222 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 4: the game that Ty Simpson plays directly correlates to the 223 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 4: National Football League. He will go in and he will 224 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 4: have success. He is a bow Knicks or a Joe 225 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 4: Burrow style of guy that can go in there and 226 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 4: make those throws right away with anticipation and accuracy. I 227 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 4: would also put another guy in there, Fernando Mendoza is 228 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: going to have a ton of success in the NFL 229 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: because of what he does from a foundational standpoint. His 230 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 4: accuracy is his anticipation, his intellect. Sellers is a wonderful player. 231 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 4: But you take a look around the NFL at all 232 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 4: these places that draft traits at quarterback versus drafting quarterbacks, 233 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: and it never ends up well for them. They're turning 234 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 4: over offensive coordinators they're turning over head coaches. It never 235 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 4: really works. Maybe that guy will succeed down the road. 236 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 4: But to me, the first pick in the draft is 237 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 4: going to become a discussion between Mendoza at Indiana and 238 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: Ty Simpson at Alabama. Sellers is wonderful, but he doesn't 239 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 4: control the game from the pocket like those two do. 240 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 4: If you look at the last you know, ever since 241 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 4: Tom Brady won his Super Bowl, you look at the 242 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 4: quarterbacks that win the Super Bowl, look at their college careers, 243 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 4: look at the style that they play, look at what 244 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 4: they do, their experience. They have over thirty starts combined. 245 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 4: You know, I think the average number of starts for 246 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 4: the guys that have won Super Bowl since the early 247 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 4: two thousands is like twenty nine and a half is 248 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 4: the average number of starts in college. So you're looking 249 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 4: for an experienced guy you can go out there control 250 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 4: it from the pocket. 251 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: So that that's what I would say about that. 252 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 4: I mean, look at the trades. So you keep wanting 253 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 4: to draft Kayleb Williams and then now you bag on 254 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 4: Kayleb Williams and you're all over Ben Johnson. 255 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 3: Well, no, I like Drake May and Jaden Daniels and 256 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 3: bow Nicks. 257 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 4: I liked all of them. I thought all of those 258 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 4: guys could control the game from the pocket. 259 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 260 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: I like Jayden daniels movement. I like bo Nick's athletic ability. 261 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: I actually like Drake May's athletic But those are pluses. 262 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: Those are like the that's the frosting. It's like, great, 263 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 1: Now you tell me you got a cake, and now 264 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: you can put some frosting on it. Now I'm in 265 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: Let me ask you, if Ohio State, so Michigan wins 266 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: the Natty, then Ohio State wins the Natty. If Ohio 267 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: State and their defense is clearly the best in the country, yeah, 268 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: if Ohio State or Indiana wins the National Championship, what 269 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: does it say about the Big Ten CEC comp What 270 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: does it say? 271 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 3: You know? 272 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 4: I get I get this question a lot, and I 273 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 4: think that it boils down to this. I think at 274 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 4: at the top end, the Big Ten has the best 275 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 4: teams in college football. Indiana and Ohio State, you know, 276 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: kind of leading the track there as far as depth goes. 277 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: In the middle of the conference, you can make an 278 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 4: argument that the SEC is better. Now, I do think 279 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: that some of those teams get overvalued as compared to 280 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 4: the top middle of the Big Ten. For instance, these 281 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: four teams I feel like do not get the love 282 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: that they should Iowa, Washington, Michigan, and USC. Those teams 283 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 4: are better than the AP would suggest. They're better than 284 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 4: the narrative would suggest, than the other network would certainly suggest. 285 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: But the middle of the the SEC is is very 286 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 4: good and very deep, and it makes it incredibly difficult 287 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 4: to go out there and win every single week. What 288 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 4: I start getting frustrated with in this whole conversation is 289 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: that you go in overtime if your Texas against can 290 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 4: and Mississippi State, and you're sitting there and it's like, 291 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 4: hold on a second, you can't just tell me that 292 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: every win in that conference because it's on the road, 293 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 4: is a quality win, and Texas all of a sudden 294 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 4: retains their position, even moves up in the apeople. Meanwhile, 295 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 4: Iowa is playing great football. They were just tied with 296 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 4: Indiana in the last two minutes of their game in 297 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: kinnick a couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago, 298 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 4: thirteen thirteen, and Iowa can't get ranked. So that's where 299 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 4: the perception maybe is a little off. Top into the 300 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 4: big ten, better middle of the sec better deeper, and 301 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: that's both of those things can be true. 302 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because of Phil Knight's money. I 303 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't leave Oregon for LSU, even though I think LSU 304 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: is a better job. I wouldn't leave Ole Miss for Florida. 305 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: There's way more pressure, and I think you can have 306 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: a team that's almost as talent rich as long as 307 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: you have one or two nil guys. I wouldn't leave. 308 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: There's only about four programs. I would never leave Ohio State. 309 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: I would never leave. I don't think there's a better 310 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: job than Texas. If I got LSU rolling, I wouldn't leave. 311 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: Same with Georgia. 312 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: Fama. 313 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: What do you do if you're Lane Kiffin? Because you 314 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: could get Florida or LSU. What do you do if 315 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: you're Lane Kiffin. He's still young, he's reinvented himself. Ole 316 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: Miss is a very good job. It's not a great job, 317 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: it's a very good job. I would stay because I 318 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: think he's viewed as the architect of the next ten years, 319 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: and he's bounced around a lot, and I think for 320 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: his personality and what he's done, it's a neat fit. 321 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: Would you leave? Would you leave if you were Lane? 322 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 4: I mean, LSU is intriguing, right. I just think like 323 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: LSU is a step above. I think that you have 324 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: to overachieve at ole Miss. You've got to do things 325 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 4: that the program has never done to reach your ultimate 326 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 4: goals and to win at the top end of college 327 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 4: football in a lot of respects. You know, the best 328 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 4: years of ole Miss football at least in recent vintage 329 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 4: or what we're seeing right now. 330 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: And does he want better than that? 331 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 4: You know, and go to LSU, and we know that 332 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 4: LSU can go and put together rosters year in and 333 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 4: year out that compete at the top end not only 334 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 4: the SEC, but also of the country and win a 335 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 4: national championship. I do think it comes down to resources. 336 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 4: And like I said, I think that LSU has top 337 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: two or three resources financially in college football. I know 338 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 4: a couple of their boosters. They have deep, deep pockets, 339 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 4: and in this day and age, that's what you have 340 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: to have. That's why Dan Lanning loves Oregon that in 341 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 4: a few other things. I think Dan Lanning and his 342 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 4: family love Eugene. You know, Dan told me one time, 343 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 4: He's like, you know, what's kind of nice is I 344 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 4: can go to dinner in Eugene and you can't go 345 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 4: to dinner. I mean that's something I know that resonates, 346 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 4: you know, calling with you is like the quality of 347 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 4: life in Eugene is very good. And it's not like 348 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 4: he's not able to build a team that can go 349 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 4: and perform at the top end college football, maybe even 350 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 4: win the national championship. Heck, they might win the national 351 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 4: championship this year. Yeah, I mean, we don't even you know, 352 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 4: we need to see how that team continues to develop 353 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 4: and play in this month of November, although they're November 354 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: is going to be pretty difficult for them. So I 355 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 4: don't think Dan Lanning will leave, but I think Lane will. 356 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 4: I think Lane is is. If I had to bet 357 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin is your next coach at LSU, Wow, that's powerful. 358 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: That'd be an interesting watch, wouldn'mit? It would be do 359 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: you say, hey, let me throw this out there. I 360 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: know it's just a conjecture. I think Sark works in 361 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: the NFL. I think he does. 362 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you said, listen, Obviously he's coached there and 363 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 4: done it successfully. When he was a coordinator at Atlanta, 364 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 4: he was great. Ryan Day would be another guy has 365 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 4: as NFL background. Remember he was on a couple of 366 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 4: Chips staffs at San Francisco and in Philadelphia. 367 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: How about this argument that Texas is a great job, 368 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: but the best jobs in the world. Texas is arguably 369 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: the best colleg job, but the best jobs in the 370 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: world at football are NFL jobs. When you have solid 371 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: ownership and a star quarterback, your asist, your assistance, don't 372 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: leave because NFL pays more and the pensions are great 373 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: for coaches, so you can maintain a staff. You may lose, 374 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, McVeigh, may lose an offensive guy once in 375 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: a while, but you can maintain a lot of your staff. 376 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: And if you've got a Bob Kraft, if you've got 377 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: a cron key, or you've got solid ownership Steve Bushetti, 378 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: You're not gonna have a lot of turnover. I mean, 379 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: I could see Sark going and just saying, if you 380 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: you know, like Hardball left for Herbert, that was a 381 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: smart move. I could see Sark going if they blew 382 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: out Sean McDermott loses first round of the playoffs, I 383 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: would leave Texas for Buffalo and Josh Allen, Right, I. 384 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 4: Mean, I understand I understand that it's certainly maybe more attractive, 385 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 4: more comfortable. To your point, it's not going to be 386 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 4: a money issue. I will say there's two things, and 387 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 4: I understand I live in the college football space, but 388 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 4: there's two things specifically that are different at the college 389 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 4: level that are not an option at the NFL level, 390 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 4: not an option. Number one is that you could impact 391 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 4: these kids' lives to a greater degree. Sure, so you 392 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 4: can influence these guys, and if that's something that drives 393 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 4: you and you're passionate about, then college is the. 394 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 3: Place for you. I think that you would agree with that. Yeah. 395 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 4: The next thing is is that in college you are 396 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 4: the quarterback. Bill Belichick is revered and considered one of 397 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 4: the great coaches in the history of the NFL. And 398 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 4: yet when we think about the Patriots in their run, 399 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 4: who do we bring up first? 400 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Brady, Tom Brady. 401 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 4: When you think of Nick Saban's run at Alabama, revered 402 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 4: greatest coach in the history at college football, who do 403 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 4: you think of first? When I say Alabama Saban, Nick Saban, 404 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: you see, your legend status is not really available in 405 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 4: the NFL. I think they view that as more career things. 406 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 4: Even with Andy Reid. Andy Reid when he finally retires, Yes, 407 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 4: he's going to be in the Hall of Fame. They 408 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 4: might even put a statue of him up outside of Arrowhead. 409 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 4: What are people gonna say, though, well, he didn't win 410 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 4: it without Patrick Mahomes. You see, at college you can 411 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 4: be a legend. If Ryan Day wins multiple championships at 412 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 4: Ohio State for the rest of his life and beyond 413 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 4: into the ages, he will always go down with Woody 414 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 4: Hayes as the only two guys that won multiple championships 415 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 4: at Ohio State. Oh think about this, Think about how 416 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 4: many great players U c l A had. 417 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 3: It's the John Wooden era. That's right, That's exactly right. 418 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: Al Thinder and Bill Walton and like two of the 419 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: two maybe the two best college players ever. Look at 420 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: Shryzhevsky and Duke. I was just gonna say, coach j Duke. 421 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: And so it comes down to the two eyes. Influence 422 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: over kids and immortality that those are two things that 423 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: you don't get. 424 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 4: At the NFL level. Now, they might leave, but it 425 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 4: would be for comfort. It would be for Josh Allen. 426 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 4: That's more comfortable, you know, that's more stable. I don't 427 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 4: have to deal with all of this stuff. But if 428 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: you want influence and you want immortality, you stay in college. 429 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 430 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean I think Yukon basketball. I think Jim Calhoun 431 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: and Hurley. There you go, and they've had sixty NBA players. 432 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: Maybe. 433 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, Klatt, what to finish strong? I really 434 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: appreciate that. I didn't like your quarterback take, but everything 435 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: else was pretty good. 436 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Great to see you, 437 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: my man. Have a good day, all right, Joel. Klatt's 438 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 3: doing the Penn State Ohio State game this weekend. No, 439 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 3: that's a good point. 440 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: You can affect people's lives and you're you know, you're 441 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: more the legend. 442 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: I like it. 443 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: Mark Schlereth Last Hour. Broncos are rolling World Series tonight. 444 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: Lake Snell's going for the Dodgers. We are tied it too. 445 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: We got a real world series. 446 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 3: It's the Hurd. 447 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: One more Herd. 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Five of the six guys hitting 465 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: over three hundred in the series are Toronto Blue Jays. 466 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: Is La in trouble. Here's j Mack with the news. 467 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 3: Turn on the news. 468 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News. 469 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 8: All right, let's start with George Pickens. Colin really savvy. 470 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 8: Moved by Jerry Jones to bring on Pickens, kind of 471 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 8: a by lo from Pittsburgh. But guess what, it's gone amazing. 472 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 8: He hasn't been a locker room distraction, but. 473 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 5: Colin, hey, they got to pay him if they want 474 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 5: to keep him. 475 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 8: And interestingly, as much as Jerry Jones has talked about 476 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 8: this team, reports indicate that Dallas has yet to engage 477 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 8: with Pickens's reps on an extension talk. I listen if 478 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 8: you don't want to go overboard. It's obviously mid season. 479 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 8: Pickens is cooking. I called the Cowboys the Bengals of 480 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 8: the NFC. 481 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: That's starting to look true. 482 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 8: Right you get Burrow, T Higgins and Chase and now 483 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 8: you got Dak, Pickens and Lamb. 484 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 5: I don't know what Jerry does here. This is not 485 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 5: an easy decision. 486 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's got a little Austin Reeves feel to it. 487 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: Is that Austin Reeves offers duplication on things you already 488 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: have from people that do it better. Luke is better 489 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands than Austin Reeves. Lebron's 490 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: better in the ball in his hands than Austin Reeves. 491 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: Do I need a third guy? Ceed Lamb is better 492 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: at separating the George Pickens. Ceedee Lamb is better deep 493 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: than George Pickens. Why do I need duplication? I would 494 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: rather move it. And because he's gonna have a big 495 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: year with this offense, and Dak he's gonna have a 496 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: nice year. Can I get a third or fourth round 497 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: back for him? He's been a good guy, he's been 498 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: a good teammate. He's been wildly productive. I'm not saying 499 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: you don't sign him. I'm saying I always think I 500 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: want to pay. Here's the way I would look at it, 501 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: j MC. I want to pay different skill sets in 502 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: the NFL. I want to pay a quarterback who distributes 503 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: the ball. I want to pay a left tackle who 504 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: protects the insurance policy for the quarterback. I want to 505 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: pay somebody big money who can catch the ball and 506 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: run with it. I want to pay somebody who can 507 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: attack the quarterback. I want to pay somebody who can 508 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: cover the best weapon. I get really uncomfortable if I 509 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: was a GM paying two people who do the same thing. 510 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 8: Well, so the RAM went out and got Davante Adams 511 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 8: and we basically crowned them. Oh my gosh, they're amazing. 512 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 8: They have Davante and Puka. I would say, pick Lamb. 513 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 8: I have to slow down. They're not paying Pooka. He's 514 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 8: a fifth round pick. 515 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: There By the time they pay Puka, Devonte's gone. They're 516 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: not paying two people. 517 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 5: Financially, you're invested. 518 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 8: You're two over indexed into some wide receivers. 519 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is yes, because Ceiny Lamb's a one 520 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: I can go and they've got what they What I 521 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: would say is, in this draft, I would draft another receiver. 522 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: They need an edge rusher in a corner. Then I 523 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: would draft a receiver or a tight end. You can 524 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: get that for much less pay. So it's like the Lakers. 525 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: They're over indexing on guys that can score with a 526 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: ball in their hands. They're under indexing on rim protection 527 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: and wing athleticism. So when you're when you're talking about 528 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: paying big money, I want a team that has everything. 529 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: But when you're talking big money, the Chiefs do it right. 530 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: Travis gets it, Mahomes get it. They even let Joe 531 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: Tony go, and then Chris Jones gets it. 532 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 533 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: So and and basically they would not pay Tyreek Hill 534 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: because their take goes we already got one guy that 535 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: gives us ten target to nine catches. 536 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 3: That's Kelsey any blocks. 537 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 8: Okay, so let me ask you, So a lot of 538 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 8: the basic shows out there are gonna be like Jack's 539 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 8: playing like an MVP. Well, I could argue Dak is 540 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 8: the same guy he's always been. What has changed is 541 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 8: he now has Pickens and Lamb and that is manipulating 542 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 8: the defense. 543 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 5: I mean, you could pick your poison here, Colin. 544 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 8: If you're gonna leave Pickens one on one on the outside, 545 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 8: he's gonna win ninety percent of those battles. He's huge, 546 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 8: he's got great hands, great catch radius. And then you 547 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 8: know what, are you gonna leave Lamb open one on one? 548 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 8: He's gonna cook most of the DB's in this league. 549 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 8: So I would say Dak looks like an MVP candidate 550 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 8: because of the addition of Pickens. I don't think it's Shottenheimer. 551 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 8: I think it's probably Pickens and Lamb. 552 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: Would you agree, well, I think the value to Pickens, 553 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: and it's a good argument, is that with him and 554 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: CD both on the field, you can't cheat. Yeah, on 555 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: the run game, and that's why Javonte one game is 556 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: exploding for Dallas. I like Javonte Williams, But the reality is, 557 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: when CD is out, you can cheat a little. When 558 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: CD and Pickens are together, you can't cheat at all. 559 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: I think these are healthy debates. I mean the Bengals, 560 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean the Bengals played Jamar Chase and the T 561 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: Higgins and the Joe Burrow And why is their defense 562 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: so bad? Because they don't there. I just think you 563 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: have to be very, very careful. I mean either Rams 564 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: moved off Cooper, they'll move off Devontae Adams. Not this year, 565 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: maybe not next year, but the year after. So you 566 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: have to be careful about paying the same position twice. 567 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 8: So let's say Jerry watch this segment. Hey guys, guys, 568 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 8: so what do we do with Pickens? I would say, 569 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 8: Jay and C Consultings say, you know what your offense 570 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 8: is set if you pay Pickens Colin the offensive line's 571 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 8: banged up, but everybody should return. 572 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 5: Tight end you're good, running back, you're good. 573 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 8: You could go draft five or six defensive players and 574 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 8: maybe you get three starters, and all. 575 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 5: Of a sudden, I think the was if they keep 576 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 5: Pickens can turn this around kind of quickly. 577 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: Well, ask yourself this, when when Ceedee Lamb was out, 578 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: Dak had ten touchdowns and no interceptions and that's Ceedee Lamb. Yeah, 579 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: So George Pickens, do you think it's a surprise that 580 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: he's much better with a better quarterback in Dak than he. 581 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 3: Was in Pittsburgh. 582 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: My take is George Pickens is not Jamar Chase or 583 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, where he excels with anybody. He got frustrated 584 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. The reason Pickens is so good as Dak 585 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: the quarterback makes the receiver. The receiver doesn't make the quarterback. 586 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: Go to Larry Fitzgerald's career, he was always really good. 587 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: But when he had Carson Palmer or he has his 588 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner, he has his best quarterbacks. I bet if 589 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: you go to Larry Fitzgerald's numbers, they were better than 590 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: the backups. 591 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 8: So what if I yeah, what if I told you 592 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 8: that Pickens was the old Navy to Jamar Chase's J 593 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 8: Crew will give you eighty percent of the quality at 594 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 8: much cheaper cost. Because I think Pickens is probably like 595 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 8: a top twelve receiver. 596 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 5: In the league. Colin, He's not that far off fifteen. 597 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I don't know, I don't know. 598 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: I like him. 599 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 3: I'm not gonnaire T Higgins, T Higgins. I like T's temperament. 600 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 8: Okay, all right, let's move on Minnesota Vikings, Colin. They 601 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 8: are starting J. J. McCarthy this week. He's very, you know, 602 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 8: injury prone. I guess he's played in two games in 603 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 8: two seasons. Well, he's matching up with former Michigan teammate 604 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 8: Aiden Hutchison, and they go back aways. 605 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: It'll be exciting. 606 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 9: You know, we have a great relationship and I got 607 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 9: probably got to shot him at Texas this week at 608 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 9: some point, letting him know. And no, I'm super excited. 609 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 9: He's a great competitor, great player, and I'm looking forward 610 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 9: to now. You know, me and JJ will get our 611 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 9: first matchup if you want to call it that, but no, 612 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 9: it's gonna be It's gonna be fun. I'm sure we'll 613 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 9: laugh a little bit out there, and yeah, it'll be great. 614 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, I eight and a half. It feels like Lions 615 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 5: are passed, right, Yeah. 616 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean if the Lions won thirty to seventeen, I 617 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked. I feel the same way about Baltimore tomorrow. 618 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: If you told me Baltimore just came in and whacked Miami, 619 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: which I think they're gonna do. I mean, I looked 620 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: at the schedule this week and there were two underdogs. 621 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: I like one of them is the Commanders. It's another 622 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: heavy favorite weekend and trading deadline. Some of these bad 623 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: teams are gonna be moving pieces. They're gonna get worse. 624 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 8: Let me ask this, Darris, Christian Darris, how think Vikings 625 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 8: offensive line's been so hurt. I mean Wentz is dead. 626 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 8: I mean he's done for the season. I just I 627 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 8: don't know if they can hold up against Hutchinson. Because 628 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 8: that Lions front McNeil's back, they're pretty good. I think 629 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 8: I'm with you. I think I like the Lions. All right, 630 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 8: final story, let's pivot to the NBA. Colin, I told 631 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 8: you about the same. Well, Tyrese Maxie went off again 632 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 8: last night. You were early on this guy. He put 633 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 8: up thirty nine points at tennis sist against the hapless 634 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 8: Wizards Philly four. 635 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 5: And oh, Colin, keep. 636 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 8: An eye on the Sixers. We don't have to talk 637 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 8: about Joel Embiide. We could just talk about Maxie and Edgecomb. 638 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 3: Oh yo. 639 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: What's happened is they are now driven by their back court. 640 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: Look at the scores, and Edgecomb and Tyrese Maxie have 641 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: one thing in common. They are first step demons. Those guys. 642 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: You don't even have to know NBA basketball. I've watched 643 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: the six Ers twice. Watch Edgecomb and Tyrese Maxi. They 644 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: beat everybody on the first step. They jump off the television. 645 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: So the great thing for Darryl Moury is for years 646 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: you've kind of felt a little captive with Joel Embiid's help. 647 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: You like him, but it's like is he healthy now? 648 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: The Sixers are a back court first franchise and both 649 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: these guys are rockets. They are great first step attackers. 650 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 8: Look at this Tyrese Maxie, it's only four games, leads 651 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 8: the NBA in scoring at thirty seven in a game. 652 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 5: Colin, this is you know. 653 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 8: One of the biggest things you could do come draft 654 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 8: time was hey, who was on Calipari didn't score a 655 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 8: lot on the Kentucky teams and then popped in the 656 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 8: NBA later and you just had to find a guard. 657 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 8: Tyrese Maxie was on those Kentucky teams, and he was 658 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 8: like Barry, He wasn't the superstar. He looks like a superstar. 659 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 8: John Caliparry held guys back in college. 660 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 5: I remember you talked about. 661 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 3: It a lot. 662 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: Well, no, in fairness to Califari, five of them come on, 663 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: well no, but in fairness to Calipari, they're eighteen years 664 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: old and a lot of guys, I mean Sga. The 665 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: Clippers didn't even know Sga was going to be that good. 666 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: Like everybody knew Sga could play. He went to Kentucky 667 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: and Calipari doesn't recruit steps, but some guys mature. I mean, 668 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: I remember Kevin Knox at Kentucky. I'm like, that guy 669 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: is gonna be great. He topped out early, SGA took 670 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: years to develop. So I'm not gonna beat up on 671 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: Calipari a lot of his guys. We're just when guys 672 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: go one and done, you don't get the best of them. 673 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 674 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 8: Yeah, but if Tyre's maxew went twenty first in the draft, 675 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 8: if I name some of these guards went ahead of him, 676 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 8: you would vomit in your mouth. 677 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 5: I mean, the sixer's got a massive steal. 678 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 3: Don't think get McCain back next month. 679 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 8: Caine's coming back. Paul George, you know PG thirteen. I 680 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 8: think Podcast P whatever we're calling him now, he's back, by. 681 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 5: The way, Podcast P. Have you listened to his podcast? 682 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 8: Pall? How is it? 683 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 3: How is it good? 684 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 2: Good? 685 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. Shmack with the news, Well that's. 686 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 2: The news, and thanks for stopping by the Heard Line News. 687 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: You know, it is funny talking to Joel Klatt all 688 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: these colleges. How are we gonna pay anybody with nil? 689 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: We don't have any money here. Yeah, we're gonna write 690 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: a sixty million dollar check for James Franklin, fifty five 691 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: for Brian Kelly. They always have money. It's like political parties. 692 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: They're constantly sending you stuff. Oh man, we need money. 693 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: They always got money. Universities, Oh, whereas are real cutbacks? 694 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: Have you see the endowments of Ivy League schools? They've 695 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: always got cash. 696 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 3: It's the hurd. 697 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 698 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 2: and noon Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 699 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 700 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 8: Start Saturday strong with the undefeated Duck Brink Ohio State 701 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 8: Buckeyes as they face off against rivals Penn State at 702 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 8: the Shoe. It all starts at ten am Eastern with 703 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 8: Big Noon kickoffs live from Columbus. Then it's Penn State 704 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 8: Ohio State Big Noon Saturday. 705 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 2: Only on Fox. 706 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: J Mack is He's mad because Michael Jordan and now 707 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley both criticize modern players for not playing. Jordan 708 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: and Barkley are not criticizing players for their style. They're 709 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: criticizing them because they're a little soft. The media doesn't 710 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: hold them accountable. The NBA media wants access over clicks. 711 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: They want access, and so Michael Jordan came out and 712 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: basically said load management is nonsense. Now, it started with 713 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: Greg Popovich. For the record, it did start with him. 714 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: And I've said I'll always defend young seven footers and 715 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: old stars taken ten games off. I'll always defend that. 716 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: But if you're in, like you're SGA right now, and 717 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: he is, he's playing most of the international guys, SGA, 718 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: He's playing all the games. So I think load management 719 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: drives me crazy. But if you took out like two guys, 720 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: take out Kawhi Leonard, like, just take Kawhi out, we 721 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't talk about it nearly as much. Like Ant plays, 722 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: Tatum plays, SGA plays. 723 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 5: All the guys in the twenties they play all the time. 724 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So load management is, you know, 725 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: it's kind of gone. It's a little overwrought that people 726 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: are going crazy. The big guys who get banged up, 727 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, my body's not built for it. I 728 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: will defend those guys, and the old lebron guys all defend. 729 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: But I think you know, we do. The media does this. 730 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: The political media does it all the time. It's the 731 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: end of times. Load management drives me nuts. But if 732 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: you took just Ko Why out, it wouldn't feel quite 733 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: as bad percent. 734 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 5: By the way, NFL media does not do this. 735 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 8: You know, all they're doing is celebrating Daniel Jones and 736 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 8: celebrating the Colts greatness and Baker Mayfield teams that they 737 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 8: don't usually pomp up. I don't NBA media like Michael 738 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 8: Jordan and NBC get in bed with the NBA and 739 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 8: now we're blasting load management. 740 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 5: Of all the things. 741 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 8: To talk about. In week two, Jordan takes this, Oh, 742 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 8: let me take shots at the car at the modern 743 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 8: era like this. Well, I'll hold back before I say 744 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 8: some curse words. It's just frustrated to see Jordan do that, 745 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 8: like talk about all the good stuff happening. 746 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: Well, we are in the media. As I've said before, 747 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: the media talks about plane crashes, not plane landing. You 748 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: don't send a reporter to an airport in Indianapolis and 749 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: say one hundred and forty flights came in today, all 750 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: landed perfectly. That's not news, right, So there are things 751 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: in the media to go say, what a great bunch 752 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: of players is not news. Michael Jordan's saying, I think 753 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: load management's nonsense makes news and Charles Barkley makes news. 754 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: By the way, I never have a problem with ex 755 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: athletes coming in. In fact, the opposite is usually true. 756 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: Ex athletes pander to their buddies who play. I like 757 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: that Jordan and Barkley are willing to go this part. 758 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 3: I don't like that. 759 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: That's very rare, even in the NFL, which has got 760 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: a lot of great analysts. You know somebody that used 761 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: to work at Fox now at the other place he 762 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: could he's pretty hard on NFL players, and he's viewed 763 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: as the one analyst that's really really hard on players. 764 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 8: I don't know who that is, but hey, if you 765 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 8: want to pivot from NBA, can I just touch on 766 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 8: something Klatt said real quick? So he said that the 767 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 8: LSU job is definitely better than Penn State Colin. I 768 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 8: just I'm gonna put this out there. If you look 769 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 8: at the current rankings, there's eight SEC teams in the 770 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 8: top twenty. Go look at the LSU schedule the next 771 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 8: couple of years. It's like so difficult to win. I 772 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 8: know there's so many good players in that region. I 773 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 8: know there's a lot of money. I'm just telling you 774 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 8: if you want to coach college football win, you would 775 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 8: take the Penn State job over LSU. There's so many 776 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 8: good players in Pennsylvania and you're not losing them to 777 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 8: pit We're not going to Temple. You're getting them at 778 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 8: Penn State. I think there's a great opportunity there. If 779 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 8: I were if you offered me LSU and the money 780 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 8: was similar, I'm taking Penn State in a heartbeat. 781 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, I mean, listen, there's a lot of value, like, 782 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: for instance, if I when I decided to move mostly 783 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: from LA to Chicago and drove the decision. So I 784 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: mean seriously, so a lot of it is are my 785 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: kids in school? It's not all money. If you're being 786 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: let's say Penn State offers ten million, LSU twelve, So 787 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: my thing is where are my kids in how old 788 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: are my kids? Are we empty nesters? Then I'll just 789 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: go for the money. If we're not, where are my 790 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: kids in school? Does my wife have a very strong 791 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: social network that she doesn't want to leave? 792 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 3: Because when you're. 793 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: Getting offered those big jobs, I mean you can win 794 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: a lot of jobs at a lot of games. At 795 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: Penn State, I think LS used the better job in 796 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: terms of talent. I mean less Miles won of Natty 797 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: save in winn Naty at Orizearon won of Naty. That's 798 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: three guys. So Penn State doesn't have that resume. But again, 799 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: I think sometimes we do a bad job. We think 800 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: it's all about the money. I always said Texas is 801 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: a great job. Part of it is Austin, Texas. By 802 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: college standards, it's a top seven or eight college town. 803 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: Ann Arbor's a great college town. Athens, Georgie. I'd much 804 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: rather live in Athens than Tuscaloosa. I think Athens is 805 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 1: a great It's a great college town. I mean University 806 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: of Washington. You're go to live in a big city. 807 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: Jean's a good college town. There's a lot of places 808 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: that I don't even want to get a flat tire 809 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,919 Speaker 1: in that have college football programs, right, And I admit 810 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: I've never been to Happy Valley. 811 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 5: You've been, I haven't been there. I haven't been to. 812 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 8: Baton Rouge except when we went to the Super Bowl. 813 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 8: So I don't know the college towns as well. But 814 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 8: you know, I had Tim Brando on my podcast, great announcer, 815 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 8: I know you know him. Yeah, he does not think 816 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 8: Lane Kiffin is going to be leaving Old Miss. Apparently 817 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 8: Ole Miss has a lot of money. You know they'll 818 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 8: bill just change you for Lane Kiffins. 819 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: My question is this, if you can make whatever Lane 820 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: makes nine million at Old Miss, and you can make 821 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,760 Speaker 1: eleven five, but you have to start over at LSU 822 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: with enormous pressure. 823 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 5: I nat your pressure. 824 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 3: I would stay. 825 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. 826 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 8: By the way, floridigators, there's a lot of pressure at 827 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 8: that job too, because they feel like they're falling behind 828 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 8: a little bit. Again, some people want pressure. I like 829 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 8: to joke the Stephen Jackson line, I make love to pressure. 830 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 8: But I'm taking the Penn State job over the LSU job. 831 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 8: And I know there's a lot of fertile ground for 832 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 8: app in the LSU area, but Collin Penn State is 833 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 8: not Choppliver. 834 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 5: I'm telling you that schedule, it is winnable. You win 835 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 5: nine games next year. 836 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 3: And the Nittany Lion in free popcorn. 837 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: The Oregon job, because of Phil Knight's become a great job, 838 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: unbelievable facilities. Now the state has no players in it, 839 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: so you have to get enough plane to go get players. 840 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: But you know Mark Fus proven that at Gonzaga. Now 841 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: you got to get more football than basketball players. But 842 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: you can win anywhere if you have the right system, 843 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: the right assistance, the right capital. So I just think 844 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: if I'm winning ten and getting into the playoff, it'll 845 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: miss I'm staying. I'm probably I'm probably staying. 846 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 3: Power three coming up.