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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: nor with you, Carl Greer with us, and we'll take

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Speaker 1: calls with Carl next hour. And I'd like for you

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Speaker 1: to share your stories of happiness with us too, and

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Speaker 1: how you made this change in your life too. Carl,

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Speaker 1: you headed up big oil and gas company as a

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Speaker 1: president for many years. What did you do? Did you

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Speaker 1: just walk away from it? Did you sell it? What happened?

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Speaker 1: I was running it as I was making the changes

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Speaker 1: in my life, George, and eventually my partners and I

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Speaker 1: decided to sell a lot of it. And I still

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Speaker 1: have some things left that still manage even today. And

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Speaker 1: by doing so, you then went into what clinical psychology? Well,

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Speaker 1: I was still Yeah, I was in clinical psychology as

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Speaker 1: a psychologist. And then shortly after that I became a

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Speaker 1: Youngian analyst and people as an analyst. Oh well, now

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Speaker 1: what bade you become a Youngian analyst? This is not

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Speaker 1: something you wake up in the morning and say, I

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Speaker 1: want to be a Carl youngie and a guy right right? Well,

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Speaker 1: I always kind of simple read, I always like stories,

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Speaker 1: and I always associated Youngian psychology with fairy tales and stories.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily the most profound way of getting into it,

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Speaker 1: but that's what attracted me. And in Young talked about

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Speaker 1: how myths and stories can influence our lives, and that

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Speaker 1: attracted me. And I investigated a lot of other psychologies

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Speaker 1: and Jungian was the one that I decided to pursue.

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Speaker 1: Carl share with us a story on how this metamorphosis

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Speaker 1: for you occurred and you know the change you went

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Speaker 1: through to get to it. One thing that happened as

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Speaker 1: part of my training to become a Youngian. I was

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Speaker 1: in analysis and I had a dream and the dream was, um,

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Speaker 1: I was going toward judo competition and uh, the competitors

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Speaker 1: were decapitated and the bodies were very frozen. It was

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Speaker 1: my job to put together the heads and and the

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Speaker 1: and the bodies after the competition, and I realized I

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Speaker 1: had trouble doing that. In the process of putting these

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Speaker 1: heads and bodies together, it was very painful for me.

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Speaker 1: And I realized in working with that dream, how frozen

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Speaker 1: then I had been George in my in my body,

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Speaker 1: and that I was wearing it not a headn't not

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Speaker 1: necessarily my own when I was competing in the world

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Speaker 1: of sports and in business, and it really uh uh

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Speaker 1: made me look at the life i'd been living in,

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Speaker 1: how frozen that I had been. That was a big

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Speaker 1: change for me. So when I did that, it just

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Speaker 1: showed me the power of a dream to give me

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Speaker 1: information and energy, but also some insights into what I

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Speaker 1: might be doing to become less frozen and more thought out. Well,

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Speaker 1: these dreams are powerful, they surely are. Were you able

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Speaker 1: to analyze why you weren't really happy in the beginning

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Speaker 1: of making money and being in business? No, No, it

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Speaker 1: just I just knew that it wasn't enough. It just

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Speaker 1: wasn't what you wanted to do. Yeah, I was just

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Speaker 1: looking for something else, and I didn't want to give up.

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Speaker 1: I never really as I made changes in my life,

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Speaker 1: I never really just turned my back completely on the

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Speaker 1: things I was doing. So I continued to be in business,

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Speaker 1: I continued to teach, I continued to see clients as

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Speaker 1: I continued to do philanthropy things. What are some of

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Speaker 1: the things that you'd recommend to people to kind of

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Speaker 1: change their life to be a little happier. I would say,

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Speaker 1: slow down, take some time to reflect on your life

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Speaker 1: and if you're not happy with it, what would you

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Speaker 1: like to do differently? And then when you realize that

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Speaker 1: there's things that you like to do differently and you're

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Speaker 1: not doing them, think about the possibility there's some part

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Speaker 1: of you that doesn't want to change. And then a

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Speaker 1: lot of my work has been trying to get in

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Speaker 1: touch with that work, that that person that doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to change inside of you, through shamanic work, through working

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Speaker 1: with your dream, through spending a lot of time in nature.

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Speaker 1: I would say spending time in nature is a very

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Speaker 1: healing thing for a person who wants to make changes.

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Speaker 1: Slow down and smell the roses, right, Honestly, you talk

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Speaker 1: about a story of a going to a diner in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest a few years ago, and yeah, tell me

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Speaker 1: about that. Well, I my dad was from a Purse, Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: and in small times I hitchhikeed around the country for

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Speaker 1: the summers and just to get around, Yeah, just to

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Speaker 1: just to get around them see the world, right, to

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Speaker 1: see to see the world. And I go to different

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Speaker 1: places in this particular story in my in my book,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of the folks at

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Speaker 1: a diner at a small time where a lot of

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Speaker 1: the industry had moved away and farming wasn't like it

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Speaker 1: used to be, and people kept talking about the good

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Speaker 1: old days and looking back to the way that that

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Speaker 1: it was. And I wasn't so sure when I was

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Speaker 1: listening to it that the good old days were really

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Speaker 1: as good as they thought. But it kept them from

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Speaker 1: moving forward in their lives, in my opinion, and they

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Speaker 1: weren't then looking forward as to what they might do

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Speaker 1: that would be uh fulfilling through them to replace whatever

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Speaker 1: it was that they had they had lost. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people talk about nostalgia, you know, the good old days. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Is that a healthy thing to do? Yeah? I think

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Speaker 1: nostalgia can be good. I think that's healthy. But if

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Speaker 1: it keeps you from being in the present and planning

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Speaker 1: for your future, then I think it can be uh

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Speaker 1: not so not so good for you. What would you

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Speaker 1: love people to learn when they were the necktie in

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Speaker 1: the Jaguar. I'd like them to learn that it's possible

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Speaker 1: to change, It's possible to write your own story more

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Speaker 1: than than you think. I mean a lot of us

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Speaker 1: and we come up in a culture where there's uh

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Speaker 1: ideas what a man should be, a man a woman

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Speaker 1: should be. We get it from our parents or media teachers. UH,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes we lose sight of what do we want

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Speaker 1: to be? And Uh, I would say it would be

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Speaker 1: advice I give people to spend a little time what

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Speaker 1: is it that you want and why aren't you able

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Speaker 1: to get there? And then recognize that you're part of

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Speaker 1: a lot bigger energy, bigger picture than you think, and

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Speaker 1: you can access some of these energies who some of

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Speaker 1: the things that we're talking about right now, through your dreams,

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Speaker 1: through being in nature, and if you're in a place

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Speaker 1: where you can do shamanic work, to shamanic journey, Carl,

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Speaker 1: what about the things we can't control? You know, somebody

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Speaker 1: that you care about die I mean, I mean and

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Speaker 1: they're gone and you know, or you know, you've got

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Speaker 1: a job you really do like and the company goes

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Speaker 1: out of business or something like that. What about things

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Speaker 1: you can't control? I think there it takes a certain

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Speaker 1: again attitude that the change happens in life, you do

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Speaker 1: have the ability to then from the thing that you lost,

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Speaker 1: move on to the next thing and realize that that resilience,

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Speaker 1: which I think is in all of us, can be kindled.

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Speaker 1: I'd say that's what I would say to people. The

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Speaker 1: things you can't control, you can't control, and the things

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Speaker 1: you can control, you you're doing. It's the serenity prayer,

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Speaker 1: you know. Through a well with Carl Greer. His book

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Speaker 1: is called, of Course, The Necktie and the Jaguar. Carl.

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Speaker 1: We have a guest who comes on the program once

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Speaker 1: in a while who is big into UFOs. His name

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Speaker 1: is doctor Stephen Greer. Any relation by any chance? No, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're not into UFOs, are you? Well? I don't disbelieve,

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Speaker 1: but I don't disbelieve. But now, what would you recommend?

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Speaker 1: Can you? If you're looking at kids, can you see

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Speaker 1: if they're going to grow up to be happier or

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Speaker 1: not just by the way they act? I think, having

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Speaker 1: had some kids and lots of grandkids, I have a

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Speaker 1: little first hand lips at that. I think some kids

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Speaker 1: just seem happier than others, and I think it's always

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Speaker 1: possible change to become more happy. And that's a depends

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Speaker 1: on your parents. It depends on your Are you brought

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Speaker 1: up your nature and nurture? You know how your DNA

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Speaker 1: and how you're brought up in the environment that you

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Speaker 1: live in. You know, if you're point in a very

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Speaker 1: uh poorer area in Chicago or Detroit, uh, with not

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Speaker 1: good schools, a lot of violence in the streets. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's harder than if you're in a wealthy suburb

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Speaker 1: of Detroit or Chicago, for example. Well, I'm convinced too

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Speaker 1: that you know, in your childhood, your developmental stage is

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Speaker 1: created by your parents on how they treat you. You know,

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Speaker 1: if there's been a parent who you know, beats their

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Speaker 1: kid when they're little, that kid's gonna he's generally going

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Speaker 1: to turn up to be not very you know, not

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Speaker 1: very good, maybe very dangerous. As a matter absolutely, I

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Speaker 1: believe that there's always exceptions, But in general, I think

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Speaker 1: that what you said is just absolutely true. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you're right, there are exceptions. There are some kids that

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Speaker 1: pull themselves past that and make something out of themselves.

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Speaker 1: But I have heard, you know, every time I hear

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Speaker 1: a story of a serial killer, you look at the

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Speaker 1: life of someone like Ted Bundy or something something happened

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Speaker 1: to them when they were kids, something horrible happened, and

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Speaker 1: it had an effect on them as they grew up. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and that one of the one of the charities I'm

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Speaker 1: interested in is a battered women. Yeah. And it's like

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Speaker 1: one out of three women have been hit by their

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Speaker 1: husbands and our boyfriends or whatever. Yeah. And uh and

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Speaker 1: the kids, and those kids are likely to, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: being in abusive relationships. Uh. So these cycles can be broken,

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Speaker 1: but it's hard, but they need to be broken. And

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Speaker 1: the guy who does the battering probably was in an

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Speaker 1: abusive situation when he was a kid. Absolutely. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's what we're saying. Yeah, and it just it just festers,

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