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Speaker 1: Ojo.
Speaker 2: There's another debate going on Twitter. Do you brush your
Speaker 2: teeth before or after breakfast?
Speaker 1: Ojo? Are your team before or after? Up? After both?
Speaker 1: At the hell? You eat them? You know, slept all night? Mouthfuck?
Speaker 4: Get the food man, hell no, hold on, So you
Speaker 4: go wait a minute, you had that minthy taste, that
Speaker 4: minty tastes in your mouth, and then you go eat
Speaker 4: the food, and the food don't taste nothing like it. It
Speaker 4: because you got all the goddamn cressing listening and too
Speaker 4: absolutely not.
Speaker 2: I brush my teeth before then I go back. Then
Speaker 2: after I eat, I go back upstairs.
Speaker 1: Brush them again.
Speaker 2: I eat before I go to work out. I brush
Speaker 2: my teeth again. I come home, I eat, brush my
Speaker 2: teeth again. I lay down, take a nap, brush my
Speaker 2: teeth again.
Speaker 1: Hey, it ruins. It rules the taste of everything.
Speaker 2: Nah hell nah man mouth man my mouth before you've
Speaker 2: been sleeping all night and then you go, oh.
Speaker 1: No, mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: I can't do that oto, you know, I mean with
Speaker 4: teach his own. But once I'm finished, I'm in that thing,
Speaker 4: going to work on them boys.
Speaker 2: And last night you don't you don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: he booty? Oh oh, hey, No I don't. I'm saved
Speaker 2: now them days over.
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't know, no, no, but them days.
Speaker 1: I don't do nothing like that, No more, boy, nothing
Speaker 1: like that you do. No, No, I'm probably. I don't
Speaker 1: even go I don't even go past the waist no more.
Speaker 1: M h I don't even go past it. I don't
Speaker 1: go past got your tongue. You put your tongue in
Speaker 1: the bellet button too, don't you. Huh? You put your
Speaker 1: tongue on the belley button too, Got all that lend
Speaker 1: in there? Yeah, I used to, I used to. You
Speaker 1: used to?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, them them days long gone on. Man, I'm
Speaker 4: telling you I'm a different I'm a different I'm a
Speaker 4: different man. I got saved. I told you, I told you.
Speaker 4: I got to say I got saved. I got I
Speaker 4: got baptized because the last one was wearing off. And
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm I'm moving different this year. I'm walking
Speaker 4: different this year. My head is hot this year.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You wake up, oh yo, everybody wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2: Breastmet like, get back. You will go downstairs to eat?
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm going to get I'm going. I'm going downstairs.
Speaker 4: I'm making my strawberry pop tarts. I'm gonna make my
Speaker 4: my creamer week or my quick.
Speaker 2: I'm not even talking to nobody before I brush my teeth.
Speaker 1: I'm not even having a conversation. And you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what?
Speaker 4: So if you you if you have if you have
Speaker 4: a partner, right, let me ask you something.
Speaker 1: If you have a partner and y'all wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning, would you kissing before brushing your teeth? No?
Speaker 1: And you don't love her? I love her? No, you don't.
Speaker 1: I don't love it.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you I had a situation. Man, this
Speaker 2: I was a dating this woman.
Speaker 4: Talk to me hold on, hold on, let me get comfortable.
Speaker 4: Come on, cause you you be having the stories. Come
Speaker 4: on and you don't you know you boy? Hey, oh Joe,
Speaker 4: you know your boy? Hey two shred them morn it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know she you know she touched with chance,
Speaker 2: she took, Oh Joe, I would have to go run
Speaker 2: and brush my teeth.
Speaker 1: What, Oh, you can't. You can't mess up the momentum.
Speaker 1: What did we talk about?
Speaker 2: That's what she told me, Oh Joe, good habit, O Joe.
Speaker 2: I had some I had to break some habits, O Joe.
Speaker 2: I had to.
Speaker 4: Wait in that, in that moment, in that specific moment,
Speaker 4: during that time. Yeah, you had to go brush your teeth.
Speaker 1: M h and ruin the momentum for I don't know
Speaker 1: what her.
Speaker 2: Hein't ruined for me. I'm good. I came back and
Speaker 2: pick right over well left off. He't ruined up for me.
Speaker 4: I ain't got thing, man, listen, manin' I ain't gonna
Speaker 4: nah you you're you know, you're knowing, you know when
Speaker 4: you got the right one.
Speaker 1: But but you don't when you're gonna have to do.
Speaker 2: All that, you know, I asked, you know, cause my
Speaker 2: whole boys, I y'all know, I'm just a real I'm
Speaker 2: real like self conscious like that, right, but you know
Speaker 2: it's I ain't brushing my teeth. Ain't nobody it's hey.
Speaker 4: Uh that don't that don't man, that's I'm telling you.
Speaker 4: If it's the right one, all that don't even matter.
Speaker 4: That's out the window, that's out the door. You're not
Speaker 4: even you're not even subconsciously, you're not even thinking about
Speaker 4: you know what. I didn't brush my teeth at this,
Speaker 4: you know what. I love you let me kiss her.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about tongue and I'm about it, just
Speaker 1: just actual hey, he but did I got sleep? Then?
Speaker 1: I got slipped? What you did?
Speaker 2: What your bathroom brush? The tea down for about thirty minutes? Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: I like it. That's different.
Speaker 1: I could. I couldn't do it though.
Speaker 5: But.
Speaker 1: You couldn't do it. O yoe, No oh, just say
Speaker 1: when the moon hit and.
Speaker 4: That's it, right right then and there, right then and there,
Speaker 4: no if and no if, and what's about it?
Speaker 1: Right then and there?
Speaker 4: Wherever you touch me, like my grandma used to say,
Speaker 4: wherever you show out, that's when you get woe out.
Speaker 1: Wherever you touch me, whatever, right right then and there, Okay,
Speaker 1: oh Joe.
Speaker 2: Packer Safety Xavier McKinnie started this course today when he tweeted,
Speaker 2: Nepotism is always okay and justified unless it's a black
Speaker 2: man doing it, then is a problem. You mofos are
Speaker 2: corrupt and brainwashed all and for all you black folks
Speaker 2: in the media.
Speaker 1: Stop.
Speaker 2: We can't say that word, o Joe. But it's co
Speaker 2: O n I n G because Bill Bill Flaggers. So
Speaker 2: see that's a that's a racial slur. Now, so I've
Speaker 2: had to learn the hard way, right right right, But
Speaker 2: y'all know it's the trash fandom, he said, y'all stop
Speaker 2: trash fandly uh and being puppets. You ain't tired yet, damn,
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, you agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, we talked about this before, We talked
Speaker 4: about you before.
Speaker 1: It's always it's always a problem. It's always a problem.
Speaker 4: When we when we do it, when we put when
Speaker 4: we put those that are that are part of our
Speaker 4: family treating positions and we're in the position of power
Speaker 4: and we allow.
Speaker 1: Them to uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it happens all the time. It
Speaker 4: happens all the time with our our brethren. May anytime
Speaker 4: we do it. It's always an issue and brought to
Speaker 4: the forefront on why we do it because when we
Speaker 4: put on the coaching staff Bill Belichick put on the
Speaker 4: coaching staff.
Speaker 1: But there's no problem. This has been going on for
Speaker 1: a very long time.
Speaker 4: It happens all the time, not in just sports, but
Speaker 4: in the corporate world as well, and as well, it
Speaker 4: happens all the time.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, but we're the only one that we're not
Speaker 1: supposed to do it. Oh yeah, yah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's frowned upun it's frowned upun it is it is.
Speaker 4: And we listen, we just called the spade a spade.
Speaker 1: A lot of times. We be doing it though they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't really talk about no nepotism, like, hey, I'll
Speaker 2: get a position.
Speaker 1: I'm a.
Speaker 2: And we see it all the time, people getting positioned.
Speaker 2: They hire their homeboys all the time.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 2: Qualifications don't matter. But we understand, Ojoe, we're just not
Speaker 2: allowed that liberty. We don't get that freedom. We ain't.
Speaker 2: We can't be putting no homeboys in there. Ain't qualified.
Speaker 2: Now my homeboys qualified. We can do it in that
Speaker 2: Oh the qualifications.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, Hey, you gotta be careful.
Speaker 4: You can't just hire your homeboy now and they, you know, homeboy,
Speaker 4: get comfortable, think they can get away with doing a
Speaker 4: certain thing.
Speaker 1: Not absolute absolutely because you're cool now. It ain't about
Speaker 1: being cool now. I gotta I gotta finish then, whatever
Speaker 1: it may be, we still we still got work to do. Nothing.
Speaker 2: Man, the Washington Wizards need their butt Kickanda scored one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two points.
Speaker 1: In real life or video game against against the Wizards.
Speaker 1: That's embarrassing. One hundred and sixty two.
Speaker 2: Now, there was once upon a time in the eighties,
Speaker 2: Oh shoe, it was customary.
Speaker 1: One you see one fifty what forty games?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the NBA record somebody scored I
Speaker 2: think one eighty three to one eighty one.
Speaker 1: Was the final in triple overtime.
Speaker 4: But uh, this was This was a real game. And
Speaker 4: we're not talking about the All Star break. No, we're
Speaker 4: not talking about the All Star game.
Speaker 1: A real game. You let somebody score one hundred, one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two, one sixty two to one on nine.
Speaker 1: I bet they must have shot they must have shot
Speaker 1: three is the whole game. No, Washington was up with
Speaker 1: the whole game.
Speaker 2: Let's see the Wizard Route for the most points in
Speaker 2: the NBA franchise history of the most allowed.
Speaker 1: They had nine players in double figures.
Speaker 2: The Pacers did let's see pull up the box score
Speaker 2: right quick so we can get this, oh jo.
Speaker 1: And they did this on the road. They weren't even
Speaker 1: at home.
Speaker 2: Ah, And no player played more than twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2: Nat Caliberton had twenty nine and twenty five minutes, Miles
Speaker 2: Turner have seventeen and twenty one minutes, Nie Smith had
Speaker 2: eleven to nineteen. Siakam had thirteen and twenty three. And
Speaker 2: then you just guys just went to work. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's embarrassing. Somebody, somebody here. They shot sixty four percent
Speaker 2: from the floor, fifty seven percent from the three. They
Speaker 2: were twenty seven or forty seven, seventeen or nineteen from
Speaker 2: the floor, I mean from the free throw line.
Speaker 1: But yeah, mckinny's right, Yeah, Jordan, that uh.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wish my kids wanted to do something
Speaker 2: in here that I could, like, look, you start, you know,
Speaker 2: you ain't got to, you ain't got to you know,
Speaker 2: sitd in the resume in because you know the CEO.
Speaker 1: Tell them who your who, your reference, the CEO. Hey,
Speaker 1: listen when you when your kids come in, are they
Speaker 1: gonna want to do the work. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I understanding how serious you are about clubs, about nightcap.
Speaker 1: They don't understand. Hey, this train gotta keep rolling that
Speaker 1: mm hmm yeah, yeah, I think you got you gotta
Speaker 1: be weary. You gotta be weary sometimes your kids. But
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they don't they don't walk back. I'm tough.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm probably tough for all my kids that
Speaker 2: I would be somebody else. And then everybody knows that
Speaker 2: that works with me. They know the expectation that I have. Gosh,
Speaker 2: what what did Cale say? I don't want to work
Speaker 2: from daddy? He yelled too much? Oh I am Oh
Speaker 2: you absolutely yeah. I ain't make no mistake. I'm tough
Speaker 2: on everybody. Hell if I'm tough on my damnself, why
Speaker 2: I'm so what, I'm gonna be easy on everybody else?
Speaker 2: I shall be easier on myself.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, we got special guest the director Black Panther,
Speaker 2: the director of Creed. He's a recipient of four na
Speaker 2: A CP Image Awards. He's been nominated for two Academy Awards,
Speaker 2: a Golden Globe, and the Grammy. He's the director, as
Speaker 2: I mentioned, Black Panther and Creed. He has a new
Speaker 2: movie that's coming out in April.
Speaker 1: Call here. He is Ryan Coogler.
Speaker 3: Ryan.
Speaker 1: How you doing, Bro? I'm happy to do with y'all.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm happy that you're with us now. I'm feeling good, bro.
Speaker 6: Like big fans heard coming up, I used to play
Speaker 6: ice to play football. Not as well as y'all, but
Speaker 6: but big big fans yard there and then and then
Speaker 6: watching y'all transition. Man, it's been it's been beautiful, bro,
Speaker 6: Like it's it always warn't my heart.
Speaker 1: When I see uh, when I see athletes prolonging that career.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? What let you do this? Right?
Speaker 2: Okay? You wanted you like you played football? Did you
Speaker 2: have professional or collegiate aspirations?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 6: Bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, Bro. I used to I used to play with
Speaker 6: more Sean Yeah yeah, yeah. We're from the We're from
Speaker 6: the same neighborhood.
Speaker 1: So okay.
Speaker 6: So you know I played him and played against him
Speaker 6: and Uh in pop Winner high school and college.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I played at Sacramento State so so so so so Bro.
Speaker 6: We both played for the same coach Man. You remember
Speaker 6: coach Steven Mushagy.
Speaker 1: Hey, coach Moose.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, coach mos got me want scholarship back that
Speaker 6: soccerment state. Oh yeah, look at that's me scoring a
Speaker 6: touchdown on Daglish right there on you see Davis, that's live.
Speaker 1: I was. I played slot. Well talk to them, not
Speaker 1: not like y'all, bro, But I played for school. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I played you feel me there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Hog yeah man coach Coach Loose is good man coach.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: Okay, you go to college and you have a nice
Speaker 2: little college career, But did you decide to say, you
Speaker 2: know what film is going to be the direction of that?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Yeah, brought a great question.
Speaker 6: So I'm I got my first scholarship to a school
Speaker 6: called Saint Mary's College.
Speaker 1: It's known as a basketball school.
Speaker 6: We had we used to have a football team, and
Speaker 6: then they dropped the program after my freshman year. Okay,
Speaker 6: I played. I played quite a bit that season. Like
Speaker 6: I was returning, I was returning kicks, you know, I
Speaker 6: was always playing.
Speaker 1: I was playing.
Speaker 6: She played atver the dB that year, and uh so
Speaker 6: I got some some more scholarship offers.
Speaker 1: But while I was there, it was a woman named Rosemary.
Speaker 6: Graham who taught a creative writing class and she read
Speaker 6: something I wrote and she was like, hey, may think
Speaker 6: about writing screenplays. You know my girlfriend at the time
Speaker 6: she now my wife. She brought me a little software.
Speaker 6: Uh do I can write screenplays? When I fell in
Speaker 6: love with it. Man, So so by the time I
Speaker 6: transitioned to Sacramento State, I was doing it on the side,
Speaker 6: taking taking working classes and and and shooting shooting short
Speaker 6: films with my hommies, you know. And then I applied
Speaker 6: to film school in two thousand and seven. It's crazy
Speaker 6: broke because we was in I was doing real well
Speaker 6: going into my senior year and I got an injury
Speaker 6: doing seven on seven. We're walking on like Cale was
Speaker 6: trying to walk on. The team was over eager and
Speaker 6: he uh he caught me on a post and broke
Speaker 6: my zygomatic arts right here. So it was it was
Speaker 6: I was eight weeks off where I couldn't lift, I
Speaker 6: couldn't do anything, and and and and during that time
Speaker 6: I realized like I need to I need to put
Speaker 6: this application in for film school.
Speaker 1: Man. Football is is is fleeting, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: So I applied to USC Film School and I got accepted.
Speaker 6: I found that I got accepted in the middle of
Speaker 6: the season, and and and right around that time, Man,
Speaker 6: I started to find myself my mind wondering when I'll
Speaker 6: be on the field. I'm thinking about I'm thinking about
Speaker 6: a movie I want to make. I'm thinking about being
Speaker 6: on set. You know that shit is dangerous. When you're
Speaker 6: doing that, to be football, you'll be all in. And
Speaker 6: I was calling on knew you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Right, That's that's dope, man, I want to talk. Listen.
Speaker 1: I'm a movie head. I enjoy films.
Speaker 4: I enjoy the arts and the crafts of it. I
Speaker 4: enjoy getting lost in character. I get very passionate when
Speaker 4: I when I talk about stuff like this. So I
Speaker 4: watched the trailer for Centers, and to me, it seemed
Speaker 4: like a unique blend of of supernatural action, you know,
Speaker 4: mystery and psychological theory. How did you approach this genre
Speaker 4: and in benning concept? And what was about this story
Speaker 4: that made you want to tell it?
Speaker 1: Man, that's a beautiful question. Man.
Speaker 6: So I had an uncle who was from Mississippi, not
Speaker 6: from but I had an uncle was from Mississippi, and
Speaker 6: he was like the oldest member of my family, all
Speaker 6: this male member of my family, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So whenever I kicked it with him, he want to
Speaker 6: listen to all Bulls records and drink Kaer whiskey, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. And he passed away while I
Speaker 6: was working on Creed in twenty fifteen. I never really
Speaker 6: really wrecking with with with his passion, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. I would I would put blues records on
Speaker 6: to think about him. And that was how I got
Speaker 6: the idea for this man like like like you know,
Speaker 6: coming off of coming off of Black Panther, it was
Speaker 6: a real long movie that that will kind of everyone.
Speaker 6: We dealt a lot of tragedies, a lot of a
Speaker 6: lot of misfortunate with.
Speaker 1: The COVID UHH situation.
Speaker 6: So for me, I wanted to make something I was quick,
Speaker 6: but also something I was that was very much, very unique,
Speaker 6: very profound, you know what I'm saying, Like like and
Speaker 6: and I wanted to to to play in the genre
Speaker 6: rock and incorporate music, but I also wanted to make
Speaker 6: something I was a little bit that was a little
Speaker 6: scary man because you know, black folks you like that,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: We like here and talking at the screen.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, I think something that exactly
Speaker 6: exactly you know, I think I think we have some
Speaker 6: incredible filmmakers that have capitalized on the medium, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like you know, think thinking Jordan's ord
Speaker 6: p Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Spice, Spice do this thing
Speaker 6: and that and that in that genre near the constans
Speaker 6: thing in that genre.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: So I was fired up about it, bro, And you know, truthfully, bro,
Speaker 6: like it was a chance for me being a probably
Speaker 6: got a Greg migration, you know what I'm saying, to
Speaker 6: be from being born and raised on the West Coast,
Speaker 6: get back to the South and and and em break that,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, and break that part of my.
Speaker 1: Ancestry, you know what I mean? Like, like I have to,
Speaker 1: I had the most amazing time making this movie.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 1: How long? How long? I'm just curious how long does
Speaker 1: it take to make make a movie? In general?
Speaker 4: I'm not I don't mean this one in and specifically,
Speaker 4: but I mean just saying in general, well, what's the timetable?
Speaker 1: Like that's a great question.
Speaker 6: So so this one we made relatively quickly, but but
Speaker 6: they go from it can go from anywhere.
Speaker 1: From two to four years. You know. That's when he
Speaker 1: was able to make in one year. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's essentially, bro, It's essentially like imagine imagine a
Speaker 6: season season and a half football, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: To take you six months to shoot, six months to
Speaker 1: a year to shoot it, and.
Speaker 2: Then you have to edit it. It takes you another six
Speaker 2: months to a year to edit it, Korean man.
Speaker 6: And that's not including writing the script because I write
Speaker 6: the script too, right, Okay, sometimes you gotta shot the
Speaker 6: movie around, you know what I'm saying, right, you know, Uh,
Speaker 6: someone I can tell you how long my movies all took.
Speaker 6: So it's my fifth movie I wrote and directed.
Speaker 4: Okay, Trouville it ta classic classic.
Speaker 6: Man, that's crazy, I said that, man, But it took me.
Speaker 6: It took me about a year to make that one. Okay,
Speaker 6: you know, Uh, Creed we shot that we start so
Speaker 6: cree we our crew was about a year and a half,
Speaker 6: you know, like like and a half of that year
Speaker 6: was just trying to convince the loan that that that
Speaker 6: it was worth doing.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and rightfully sold you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 6: He was he was he wanted to make sure that
Speaker 6: we was we were serious about it and make sure
Speaker 6: that it would work for him, And and then was
Speaker 6: shot in January. We put the film on like November.
Speaker 6: I was a fast one. Black Panther took about two years.
Speaker 6: Started working on in twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen. Connor Fever
Speaker 6: was like, was like a four year more, you know what,
Speaker 6: because I wrote, I wrote one script, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. Chadwick passed away. I know, you know, didn't
Speaker 6: even know you were sick, so they have to rewrite that.
Speaker 6: You know, we got going, the pandemic slowed down quite
Speaker 6: a bit, and then you know, my uh my lovely
Speaker 6: actress got injured, so we have to shut down for
Speaker 6: a little bit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And we put that on all so I wanted to
Speaker 1: make something fash after that.
Speaker 6: After that, you know, four years on one movie, you
Speaker 6: feel me, uh but I was blessed man to be
Speaker 6: able to make something that, Uh, I'm so proud of
Speaker 6: man like super you know.
Speaker 1: Really probably I can't wait to show us, y'all. I
Speaker 1: think y'all gonna dig you. Man, Listen, I.
Speaker 4: Know I'm gonna dig it when you watch the trailer
Speaker 4: for me, when it comes to anything that you do
Speaker 4: with you an athlete, you have to be a special
Speaker 4: athlete that puts busts in the seats. When you're a comedian,
Speaker 4: you have to be a comedian that has stage present.
Speaker 4: They always keep the crook of the crowd and gaze.
Speaker 4: When I watched the trailer, and it catches you when
Speaker 4: it catches you right away. I don't know who did
Speaker 4: the end, and I don't know who did the trailer,
Speaker 4: but I'm telling you right away, it catches you, and
Speaker 4: it can when it holds you.
Speaker 1: And then it's like it's an advertiser.
Speaker 4: But it ain't enough. It ain't enough because I want
Speaker 4: to I want to see what's next. So now I
Speaker 4: can't wait to see it. And it's just I'm very passionate,
Speaker 4: enthusiastic when it comes to movies. Bro, I've been a
Speaker 4: fan of yours for a long time. All your work,
Speaker 4: everything you've done. That's why I can't shut up right now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 6: So, I'm gonna tell you something crazy for real, Bro,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you something crazy. We met before, Bro,
Speaker 6: for real. We met at the at the at the
Speaker 6: Tribeca Field Festival. It was the first film festival I
Speaker 6: ever got there to Spike in the movie called Kobe
Speaker 6: doing Work in ESPN had the world premiere every Bro
Speaker 6: and and I and I and I saw you in
Speaker 6: there and I went over there and shook your hand. Bro.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, just just just on the strength,
Speaker 6: you know, just being a fan of what you do
Speaker 6: on the football field, right, was also studing in the game, Bro.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like, whatch what y'all was doing?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 6: Over there, sincenati? Man, when it was when it when
Speaker 6: it was when it was when it was you and the.
Speaker 1: TJ and the ways.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Hey, like like like like
Speaker 6: just just just just the the precision that are running
Speaker 6: and bred a confidence, you know.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Both of y'all had that.
Speaker 1: Both y'all had the mental game too. Bro. I remember
Speaker 1: I remember Shannon, Bro it used to be miked up.
Speaker 2: Study your movies. A lot of your movies. You got
Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan, Now Michael B. Jordaning this role. He
Speaker 2: plays a dual role. He's stacking it because I was like,
Speaker 2: I was a hello, Bip didn't look like this. This
Speaker 2: looked like Michael B. Jordan playing both of these both funk.
Speaker 2: Come on, I had to rewire it look even close?
Speaker 2: I said, it is. Yeah, what is it about Mike
Speaker 2: that you love casting him in your movies?
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, he was in Proffail, he was
Speaker 1: in pro Fail too.
Speaker 6: In all of them, yeah, even and all of them
Speaker 6: looks bro like, like what should find? It's chemistry, man,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. It's a it's a head
Speaker 6: coach and the quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's a quarterback receiver.
Speaker 6: You know, like like you get it, you develop a
Speaker 6: shorthand where where you saved Tom. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: you established a tone for the for the rest of
Speaker 6: the crew, and we're not the first one is to
Speaker 6: do it.
Speaker 1: Man. Usually when you see when you see filmmakers work,
Speaker 1: they had didn't sail.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, man, I mean big time spiking this Tony
Speaker 6: Scott and Denzil yep. You know Square had had a
Speaker 6: thing with with the Nero and then you rekindled it
Speaker 6: with all exactly you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's it's hopeful man.
Speaker 6: And and and Mike has a you know, Mike, Mike
Speaker 6: has a uh has a very amazing work ethic, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. Like he's always willing to go,
Speaker 6: always trying to push himself. He doesn't want to rest
Speaker 6: on his laurels.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 6: I and I and I and I can rock with that, bro.
Speaker 6: So so you know I put him in. I'll put
Speaker 6: him in every movie. If I can't always he always
Speaker 6: have a uh, he always have a role if I'm
Speaker 6: if I'm working, you know what I mean. Let me
Speaker 6: ask you this, right, how did you how did you
Speaker 6: come up with the name Sinners? Why the name Sinners?
Speaker 6: That's a great question, bro. We we found that late man.
Speaker 6: Like for a long time the movie was just called
Speaker 6: Grilled Cheese. It was a working working title.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like like, so if you put up.
Speaker 6: In Louis Louisiana, you know this past summer and said, man,
Speaker 6: we're girl, she's shooting, that would brought you.
Speaker 1: That have brought you to our movie, you know.
Speaker 6: And and and the story behind that name was I've
Speaker 6: been cooking these long these long drawing all crazy meals.
Speaker 6: I wanted to make something quick and fast. I knew
Speaker 6: what good you know what I'm saying. So that's how
Speaker 6: he came up with that. But for for Sinners, you know,
Speaker 6: there was a collaboration between us and the studio trying
Speaker 6: to figure out the right name for the movie. And
Speaker 6: and we realized that that that that line, you know
Speaker 6: that that word was said so many times throughout the script.
Speaker 6: You know that it deals with blues music and this
Speaker 6: relationship with the church. You know, like a lot of
Speaker 6: times that the best blues singers will come from gospel,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. You know, learning that, you
Speaker 6: know a lot of times that Daddy's was pastors, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. And and they and they singing,
Speaker 6: they singing music about drinking and bumping and grinding, and
Speaker 6: it's in conflict with how they was raised, you know,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. So that so that dynamic
Speaker 6: was one that we were really that we were really
Speaker 6: uh you know, once we realized that that like like
Speaker 6: it was like a man, I was always the name.
Speaker 6: It should always been called that, you know.
Speaker 1: But this movie, but the.
Speaker 2: Trust no one, because this movie has a lot to
Speaker 2: do with paranoia.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, absolutely, bro, Like I mean, look, it's it's
Speaker 6: you know, it's dealing with it's dealing with black culture, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, And and and and.
Speaker 6: A lot of folks don't know that like that that
Speaker 6: you know, I would argue that blues music is the
Speaker 6: most important contribution that America has made to the global
Speaker 6: pop culture. You know what I'm saying, originated Everything comes
Speaker 6: from that, and you do it when you do the research,
Speaker 6: it really came from this one specific area of Mississippi,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like like like and and
Speaker 6: and at that time when when blues was created, it
Speaker 6: was very hard.
Speaker 1: It was a very hard place to be black, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And yeah, and people were trying to people were trying
Speaker 6: to affirm that humanity, affirm that dignity at a time.
Speaker 1: When when when when it was you know when it
Speaker 1: was when.
Speaker 6: It was very difficult, and people were trying to keep
Speaker 6: them separate, right, you know what I mean? And for me,
Speaker 6: that experience kind of breinges a level of paranoia, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean, When you can't when you can't
Speaker 6: be all after after the dark and shortain towns, you
Speaker 6: gotta you.
Speaker 1: Know, you where, you know, where everybody knows everybody.
Speaker 6: When somebody new shows up, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: somebody who's been gone a long time, you know, it's
Speaker 6: a little it's a little bit uh uh. You know,
Speaker 6: you might look out them a certain way, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, how did y'all come up? Many y'all come
Speaker 6: from places where everybody knew everybody. You can to tell all,
Speaker 6: sorry the job back. I'm from a small town they were.
Speaker 2: There were thirty five hundred people with two traffic lights,
Speaker 2: so I mean we pretty much we pretty.
Speaker 1: Much knew everybody.
Speaker 2: And now obviously there were people that were would come
Speaker 2: back from New York as Chicago and Detroit that I
Speaker 2: wasn't familiar with, but I knew their family and after
Speaker 2: a while they ended up staying, so we were cool.
Speaker 1: We were cool with them.
Speaker 2: Also, you said something very interesting, because everybody talks about
Speaker 2: the Mississippi Delta.
Speaker 1: The Delta Blues.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, this film, this film deals with a lot
Speaker 2: of brotherhood, Lordy Fate.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir. You you did a great.
Speaker 2: Job of working and and and and putting all that together,
Speaker 2: and it came together from the trailer for what I saw,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I haven't been to the movie. I
Speaker 2: hadn't been to the movie since the pandemic. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go check this one out, all right, Cara, to see
Speaker 2: how you tied this thing all together. Now, I saw
Speaker 2: the two minute trailer, but I will see you tie
Speaker 2: this thing together for ninety minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean we I'm proud of it, man.
Speaker 6: And like, look, another reason I think he's gonna he
Speaker 6: gonna diggy man, is your relationship with y'all brother sterling bro.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like whenever I hear y'all,
Speaker 6: whenever I hear y'all talk, I gotta imagine in y'all neighborhood,
Speaker 6: y'all was knowing, you know what I mean, Like like
Speaker 6: you know, like in that so these twins, you know,
Speaker 6: it's backett smoke, Yeah, smoking stick. It's an archetype right
Speaker 6: like every never always already been there and had a
Speaker 6: set of twins that everybody knew that was kind of notorious,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, and we were playing on.
Speaker 6: That that you know that that that relationship between the brothers, Man,
Speaker 6: what makes them similar?
Speaker 1: What makes them different. You know, I think Mike just
Speaker 1: did a beautiful job with him.
Speaker 6: Man, I think you really gonna enjoy anybody who who
Speaker 6: got that type of relationship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I think brother got a little brother. You're gonna really
Speaker 6: feel this movie. I think on a different level.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 4: I got I got one more question, man, after creating
Speaker 4: something like this, something that's so bowld, so different, and
Speaker 4: you know, you're pushing boundaries, you know, with with with
Speaker 4: most of your work and your your craft. And and
Speaker 4: again I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna harp on it
Speaker 4: because I've never had a chance to actually tell you.
Speaker 1: Now I do.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make sure I let you know. I'm a
Speaker 4: huge fan of everything you've done. And I'm really I'm
Speaker 4: really really excited for this. But do you see yourself
Speaker 4: continue to push boundaries with more genre films or or
Speaker 4: or just I don't want to be too nosy, but
Speaker 4: what's next? We got another Creed coming? If we if
Speaker 4: we got another Creed coming, I want to shoot my
Speaker 4: shot real quick.
Speaker 1: We did? I just like to find a boss? Yeah
Speaker 1: we got we got we got another Creed coming, for sure?
Speaker 6: Oh, let me let me hear gonna direct that so
Speaker 6: so yeah, like you know absolutely, bro, Like I think,
Speaker 6: I think, uh, we love it, make something happen for you.
Speaker 6: And but the other, the other piece for me is like,
Speaker 6: you know, I want to work a long time, Bro,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna, I wanna, I wanna. I want to make
Speaker 6: all types of stuff, man, And I do love working
Speaker 6: in the genre space. This is my first This is
Speaker 6: my first like movie with all no horror elements, and
Speaker 6: I tell you it's very addictive, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Like the idea, the idea of doing something else that
Speaker 6: that that that isn't a much fun. It kind of
Speaker 6: frightens me a little bit, man, Like you know so so,
Speaker 6: but we'll see, Man, we'll put this out to the
Speaker 6: world and it's got people responding and then we'll go
Speaker 6: from there. But I'm definitely I'm definitely not closing the
Speaker 6: door on doing more genre work. Sure, man, it was
Speaker 6: it was just it was just too much fun with
Speaker 6: you for real.
Speaker 2: Right, Like Yeah, you know what, Ryan, when I look
Speaker 2: at it and I think about, like you did Fruit Veil,
Speaker 2: You've done a Creed, You've done Black Panther. Now you're
Speaker 2: in this genre, it's kind of like Spike, because Spike
Speaker 2: has kind of been all over the place, done Malcolm X.
Speaker 1: He's done Hurricane, he did Devil in Blue Dress.
Speaker 2: He's doing the Harlem Blues, he's done Inside Man, he's
Speaker 2: done I think man On, I think he did man On. No,
Speaker 2: that was he did twenty fifth dollars twenty fifth dous. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he's kind of it if that kind of the
Speaker 2: degree like look, I don't want hold me in there
Speaker 2: and saying, oh, he only does it if this a comedy,
Speaker 2: this is right. If it's something to do with Marvel
Speaker 2: or black Man, that it's gotta be right. You want
Speaker 2: to be like multi faceted. You don't want to be
Speaker 2: tied down or pigeonholed or tight calf for any particular
Speaker 2: type of movie.
Speaker 6: Right, that's absolutely correct, man, Spike. Spike is a big,
Speaker 6: big hero of mine. Man a mentor, you know, same
Speaker 6: with same with John Singleton. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: big big hero mentor and then stepping offside of our art,
Speaker 6: you know, our community a love of something. It is
Speaker 6: like Steven Soderbergh, you know what I'm saying, where you
Speaker 6: never know, you never know what they're gonna do next, right,
Speaker 6: but you but you gotta, you gotta, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be quality, you know. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like like like if, and.
Speaker 6: I do definitely want to continue to push myself but
Speaker 6: also push the medium for man, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: like it's it's it's a blessing to be able to
Speaker 6: to to work in a space where you get to
Speaker 6: work on things out of fresh work on things that
Speaker 6: haven't been done before, you know, Fancis with this film,
Speaker 6: you know, this is the first time that the Imax
Speaker 6: camera has been combined with a with an ultra pane vision.
Speaker 6: So it's the same it's the same camera work, same
Speaker 6: camera package. I was using on Quentin Tarantino's film A
Speaker 6: Hateful Eight.
Speaker 1: That was great. Yeah, yeah, so you combined that good
Speaker 1: with the traditional Imax film camera first time ever, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So so so getting getting a
Speaker 1: chance to break new ground and do that with with
Speaker 1: you know, with people of color on the screen, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and the story setting the Mississippi
Speaker 1: does it. But it said, it's a great honor to
Speaker 1: be able to do something like that, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: what I mean, and if it helps me to be
Speaker 1: motivated to stay sharp. You know, I'm getting to work
Speaker 1: with people who I've been working with for a long time,
Speaker 1: and it's just amazing.
Speaker 2: That I don't want I don't want to be too
Speaker 2: presumptuous of this, but I saw something and it seemed like, uh,
Speaker 2: I forget the two brothers, but it's two brothers, oh Joe,
Speaker 2: uh and one of them might be cast. I would
Speaker 2: to throw my head in for you. Don't want to
Speaker 2: throw my head in?
Speaker 1: I just what's it doing. I would have throw my
Speaker 1: hand to hey, man, get it in there. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: we can talk about it.
Speaker 7: Then.
Speaker 1: Hey, how you going? How you gonna take my stillo?
Speaker 1: Can I get my roll first and free? Okay? Oh
Speaker 1: you okay? You want to be one of the fighters
Speaker 1: that Creed fight. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, d of thing.
Speaker 4: I got an extensive background in combat sports, so it
Speaker 4: would be perfect to be able to transition.
Speaker 1: So I ain't really got to play no character. I
Speaker 1: could just be myself. Hey, popping that things? Oh Joe?
Speaker 1: I found Yeah, all this hard, all this hard, all
Speaker 1: this hard?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, hey, they had him, they had him
Speaker 4: already in the uniform, and I'm like, okay, yeah, he
Speaker 4: definitely could.
Speaker 1: He could definitely pass for the Jalla. Yeah he could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: All this shots off the Autist man incredible. You know
Speaker 6: he may watch his too, bro does it but straight
Speaker 6: up knows how to make washes.
Speaker 1: Bro. Wow, like a like a like a like a
Speaker 1: gins bro. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Right Well, you were you were you as a kid,
Speaker 2: Were you in the comics? Were you a superhero fan?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Big time. I had an older cousin. You know, I'm
Speaker 6: the orders of three boys, so I had no big brothers.
Speaker 6: I always been looking for him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I had an older cousin who was who was who
Speaker 6: was seven years older than me, who was a big head,
Speaker 6: And I got into him just because he I thought
Speaker 6: he was cool, you feel me?
Speaker 1: So I so I was when I started reading him,
Speaker 1: But I did. I did always read.
Speaker 6: Him like I took a break from a little bit
Speaker 6: when I when I got serious about sports. Right, we
Speaker 6: were still watched the cartoons with you, but it was
Speaker 6: you know, it was it was all school in ball
Speaker 6: for like you know, from I always say from like
Speaker 6: from like age grad like ninth grade maybe to uh
Speaker 6: to to my senior year at college and I went
Speaker 6: back to film school.
Speaker 1: I got back into him, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Do you collect him?
Speaker 6: That's a great question, bro, I honestly I do. I do,
Speaker 6: man like not but not but not actively bro like
Speaker 6: Like what happens now is it's like I'll go to
Speaker 6: comic Con for work and I and I'll go. They
Speaker 6: got they got they got basically a floor you know,
Speaker 6: can where you can go, where you can go buy anything. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I gotta go in there and hit the floor and
Speaker 6: copy one or something, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 6: it's been a while since I've been in the comic
Speaker 6: book story. Man, I'm not I'm not gonna hold you
Speaker 6: give me your top five superheroes.
Speaker 1: O ship all right? All right, I'm gonna go fast.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna over think you. We'll go.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to Charlad number one, Okay,
Speaker 6: and then I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go woorry Okay. Who copleut villains in it?
Speaker 1: You can't? Yeah? I got, I got, I got Magneil
Speaker 1: number three? Who Magneto? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I got, I got, I got Magneil number three, I
Speaker 6: got all Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: go deep cut. We'll go deep cut rush arts from
Speaker 6: from Watch Me, okay, r Shark Rush Shark watch.
Speaker 1: Me, and then and then I'm gonna I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go rogue Okay.
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, yeah, ruggas guys bro like like
Speaker 6: the the the uh you know, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: you know, take our glove off, touch touch, you take
Speaker 6: your powers knock y'all.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's yeah, that's pretty that's pretty shyy.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised you really didn't go with a lot of
Speaker 2: the old like like Superman, Batman, Batman ain't no superhero Batman.
Speaker 1: They got he can't do it without that.
Speaker 6: Bill bro bro ba Batman Batman and Batman was a
Speaker 6: dog for me, o bro Like like the fact that
Speaker 6: I'm saying this when I was saying Batman is crazy
Speaker 6: because because that was that was that was man. I
Speaker 6: was that was the one for us because they had that,
Speaker 6: they had to they had the animated series. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: we used to main line and I had a homie
Speaker 6: for freds Noo who played dB incredible defensive back.
Speaker 1: Here here a coach. Now man, me and him are
Speaker 1: during fall camp.
Speaker 6: Bro We we went high for the on the on
Speaker 6: the d v D pack and during them as were
Speaker 6: we were ride back to his girl house in Washington
Speaker 6: and watch the movie. Know that is bro should make
Speaker 6: a should make a little, should make a little food
Speaker 6: for us. Bro We on the college, broa taking it,
Speaker 6: taking it back to eighth grade with you.
Speaker 1: You know, that's live, that's live, So Black Panther three.
Speaker 1: How long we gotta wait? Not long? You're not long.
Speaker 2: I mean there's been a lot of rumor circulating that, uh,
Speaker 2: Denzel gonna be in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, that's what That's what the word was. Free.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Well I've been dying
Speaker 6: to work with dnjel Man, and I'm hoping we can
Speaker 6: make that happen. But but but I got I got
Speaker 6: every intention on working.
Speaker 1: With him in that movie. And he as.
Speaker 6: Long as as long as as long as he interesting, man,
Speaker 6: it's gonna happen. But but but you know he he
Speaker 6: he a living legend man and and a great and
Speaker 6: a great mentor for so many of us, you know,
Speaker 6: like like he just he just he's all about he's
Speaker 6: all about looking out for us now, man, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you know it wasn't example bro for how to live.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: He got his family run him, you know, his children
Speaker 6: like everybody running. It's been with Paul Letter for forty
Speaker 6: plus years. She's Jean David. John David used to train
Speaker 6: with me in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I had retired, but he was down at Morehouse and
Speaker 2: the trainer that trained me bringing to the track, we
Speaker 2: you know, you know, tell him how to do certain things.
Speaker 2: I've known that family for twenty that was in retire
Speaker 2: so like twenty plus years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and Denzel is great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his wife Pauletta John David Man, they're they're unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Or see.
Speaker 4: I just I just seen Denzel. I wasn't able to
Speaker 4: actually they were. I was able to let him know
Speaker 4: I was there, but he wasn't taking no visitors. It
Speaker 4: didn't matter, it didn't matter who you were. I was
Speaker 4: able to see him. Last week in New York, I
Speaker 4: went to see Othello. Yeah, yeah, hell he don't play
Speaker 4: with you on Broadway? Bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah when he on Broadway in a different song.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how was a player. Oh man, beautiful, beautiful. Listen.
Speaker 1: I I took drama. I took drama, uh in high school.
Speaker 4: So that's why I still have a love for for
Speaker 4: drama in the arts and theater and dance. So I
Speaker 4: real excuse me, huh, come.
Speaker 1: On, man, stop playing right and listen. You already know
Speaker 1: because you can.
Speaker 4: Hey, you can hear me talk when I talk about
Speaker 4: certain things. You already know it's something I really like. Man, Hey, hey,
Speaker 4: why you why you hey? Why why you call it?
Speaker 1: Boysh When he said dance though, that was when he
Speaker 1: was when he got up in there are you brother?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Hold on, this is this is how. This is
Speaker 1: how you know. I love dance too, Maya maya Arci?
Speaker 1: I did, I.
Speaker 4: Did when I was playing. Yeah, I just left. I
Speaker 4: just left New Orleans. Last week I went to see
Speaker 4: Alvin Ellie Man for the the ump Team time since
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty eight, when my grandma took me to go
Speaker 4: see him in eighty eight at the Gustman Theater.
Speaker 7: I love it, Bronks, come on, hey.
Speaker 2: I want to go see him. I'm gonna see him.
Speaker 2: I haven't been the whole lot of Broadway I saw, uh,
Speaker 2: I saw Samuel Jackson when he played Doctor King. Okay,
Speaker 2: I might not get there. Yeah, Uh, Broadways is different
Speaker 2: is It's so different than going to the It's so
Speaker 2: different than go into an actual movie.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know what I'm saying, don't, Joe.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you just went to a but to
Speaker 2: sit there and to see I'm like, damn, this is amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's no joke. Bro.
Speaker 6: It's a true actors medium, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: Like like like whereas whereas in film, you know, like
Speaker 6: like it's arguably a filmmaker's medium that sat television as
Speaker 6: a writers medium.
Speaker 1: Like like like that at that stage is an actors medium. Bro.
Speaker 1: They got nothing to save them. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They just they just they just up there. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's no you blew me in. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I It's just it's just bro.
Speaker 2: Hey, that's what Denzel says. Denzel says he's a He's
Speaker 2: a theatrical actor that went to the screen. See he
Speaker 2: cut his teeth on Broadway. Yeah, he takes that. He said,
Speaker 2: some people are stage and they come to Broadway. I
Speaker 2: was Broadway that went to the went to the screen.
Speaker 6: It's interesting too, bro because because like because like a
Speaker 6: lot of people don't a lot of people don't understand too.
Speaker 6: It's like it's like it's like the culture of Broadway,
Speaker 6: you know, like like very similar to you know, very
Speaker 6: similar to basketball, right like.
Speaker 1: If you if you, if you, you know.
Speaker 6: Like basketball is very culturally ingrained in the United States,
Speaker 6: so much so that if you go professional, if you
Speaker 6: go watch a professional basketball game anywhere in the world,
Speaker 6: most of the players are gonna be from the States.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: If you go overseas to Italy and watch the game there,
Speaker 6: or overseas in Germany, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 6: you'll you'll see a lot of players here and with
Speaker 6: that stage work. You know, it's so culturally ingrained in
Speaker 6: the u k. You know, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like it's it's it's a part of that culture.
Speaker 1: They are bought.
Speaker 6: Uh the stage the way we are about basketball here,
Speaker 6: you know what. You know what I'm s It's in
Speaker 6: every school, it's in every you know. So you see,
Speaker 6: so you'll see these British actors getting shipped all over
Speaker 6: the place, man and on every role, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, and on every on every you know, you know,
Speaker 6: white white British actors.
Speaker 1: Uh uh, black British actors. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah for for me coming up.
Speaker 6: Bro, The first time I hit I hit a Broadway
Speaker 6: play and really and really seeing and really seeing you've
Speaker 6: seen somebody get THEMN you know what I mean? It was,
Speaker 6: it was it was like, you know, like like I did.
Speaker 6: Wish I'd been as falls to it earlier. Bro, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I might I might have been. I might have been
Speaker 1: doing that, you know what I mean? Right?
Speaker 2: Well, Hey, even if I just get a kick me
Speaker 2: or I could be I could be Bocal's brother.
Speaker 1: We got you, bro. Hey, Hey if y'all man, Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I could be a brother something. I'm coming. I'm coming
Speaker 1: to him. I'm coming with him.
Speaker 6: Ride oy Hey Hey, I'm winning BN y'all y'all now,
Speaker 6: I'm winny man, y'all got, y'all got such y'all got
Speaker 6: such great chemistry.
Speaker 1: Man, When when I when I when I watch.
Speaker 2: Y'all, bro, Yeah, is evident, man, I appreciate that sinners
Speaker 2: arrive in theaters. April eighteenth, directed by written by Ryan Coogler.
Speaker 2: He written such freak fruit Bell Station, Black Panther, Wakanda.
Speaker 1: Forever Creed and now he's with this one.
Speaker 2: Sinners arrives in theaters April eighteenth, Ryan, thank you for
Speaker 2: giving us a little bit of your time.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the trailer.
Speaker 2: Well support you, hey, chat, make sure we go out
Speaker 2: here and support our brother Ryan Coogler. Hey, he's doing
Speaker 2: big things for the community. Do a big thing for
Speaker 2: the colt, sir, And we gotta make sure we keep
Speaker 2: him up. We're gonna lift him up and we're gonna
Speaker 2: keep him up there, right. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: your time. Appreciate it. Hey, I'll see you down the
Speaker 2: road now.
Speaker 1: I appreciate y'all. Man, Thank God, thank you boss man love,
Speaker 1: thank you man. Yes, sir, we got to talk about this.
Speaker 1: What this ship.
Speaker 2: Marvin Sap is receiving backlash. He locked the door of
Speaker 2: the church until they receive forty k in donations to
Speaker 2: listen to this with Joe.
Speaker 5: Okay, and they understand the cost that is involved. There's
Speaker 5: one thousand of you. I said, close them doors, ushers,
Speaker 5: close the doors, close the doors, close the doors. It's
Speaker 5: a thousand that's watching online. This is a small seed.
Speaker 5: If I get a thousand on line to give this,
Speaker 5: if I get a thousand in the sanctuary to give this,
Speaker 5: that's forty thousand dollars tonight. Now, everyone up here, we've
Speaker 5: all sold in seated, but I need everyone standing up
Speaker 5: here with us, with me to plan a seat of
Speaker 5: one hundred dollars, because again, it costs to sit up here.
Speaker 1: And this is what I need you to do.
Speaker 5: If you're giving electronically or even if given tangibly, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna have y'all come to the altar and give it
Speaker 5: because I need to see the thousand people moving. Bring
Speaker 5: them baskets. Bring I want the baskets up here. I
Speaker 5: want to see the folk. Y'all start moving. Y'all can
Speaker 5: bring in right now. Come come, come, come, come back.
Speaker 5: A thousand people need to give us twenty dollars. A
Speaker 5: thousand people need to give twenty dollars. A thousand people online,
Speaker 5: he'd give twenty dollars. This is easy, saints. Hey, well
Speaker 5: that's always been the church. That's always been the church.
Speaker 4: But see that you talking, that's always been to church.
Speaker 4: I grew up at the church. You know that offering
Speaker 4: play to come around by two, three, five nine, they said,
Speaker 4: But the Lord said, give what you can. He put
Speaker 4: no head, put no number on it.
Speaker 1: Oh the bomb. He say, when you.
Speaker 4: Tied ten percent, ten percent of your earnest man, yes,
Speaker 4: ten percent of your earning.
Speaker 2: He will say, medicay figures through melicoed three eight through
Speaker 2: a level. He said, Well, a man rob God, he
Speaker 2: answers the question, because you already know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, where would I rob you? He said,
Speaker 1: and tied and off three oh.
Speaker 2: He say, Brad your time to the storehouse, open up
Speaker 2: the windows of heaven and pour you out of blessings
Speaker 2: that you will not be able to receive.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what he's saying. Now he ain't tell me.
Speaker 2: Jack made to be coming to me and talking about
Speaker 2: see what they preaching his prosperity.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yes sir.
Speaker 2: But see that's why I'm going to the ministry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, Joe, yes, I fast.
Speaker 1: Playing around off the plastic collection plate.
Speaker 2: Now look here, un joe, hey, don't put no change
Speaker 2: in the collection plate. God don't like noise. Yeah, God,
Speaker 2: God don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like noise. List going to the back Listen.
Speaker 1: You know my mom is sat.
Speaker 4: Now the church, the church, the church, the church, that's
Speaker 4: part of the building fund.
Speaker 1: The church need new windows.
Speaker 2: You tell me, gil, Oh he need a roll, Oh
Speaker 2: he needs he need a jet, Oh he need a
Speaker 2: rose Russ, he need a bed left. Yeah, Oh, he
Speaker 2: ain't gonna have a better He ain't gonna have a
Speaker 2: if pop working harder.
Speaker 1: He ain't gonna have a better car than me. Not
Speaker 1: that I'm donating too. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Hey, well, well, one thing you got to understand that
Speaker 4: I've never I've never been I've never been in the
Speaker 4: pool pit. I've never been a preacher. But I do
Speaker 4: understand the work that comes behind it. I do understand
Speaker 4: the study and in the hours and all all the
Speaker 4: stuff that they have to go through when it comes
Speaker 4: to running the church and being a preacher. And I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna sit up here and preach because that's not me.
Speaker 4: I am not finna play with the Lord like that.
Speaker 4: But in the Bible, say with the Lord, well, Lord,
Speaker 4: listen to me.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: In the Bible it says God loves a cheerfulgiver. It
Speaker 4: doesn't tell you how much you got to give, though exactly.
Speaker 4: That's my point. That that that's it. Now, that's the
Speaker 4: only thing I don't agree with. Now, you ain't finna
Speaker 4: lock them goddamn doors. And I got to get home
Speaker 4: and watch the basketball game because it's March madness. Tell
Speaker 4: about said, I gotta give you one thousand dollars. Now
Speaker 4: the devil is a lot. Now you're gonna open them doors,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna give you what your kick what I can. Now,
Speaker 4: that's what's gonna happen. Oh, we're gonna have to tussle
Speaker 4: up here in the church.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then God gonna have to come down there and
Speaker 2: pull me up off you.
Speaker 1: He gonna he's gonna have to come. He's gonna have
Speaker 1: to come.
Speaker 2: Down off his throne because he's the alphae and Nomegaga
Speaker 2: sees high and looks low, so he know I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be tearing your tail up in that church if you
Speaker 2: lock the doors. And I can't get up out of there.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, come on now, Oh, Joe, they they
Speaker 2: doing too much. O Joe, Trip dead trip, And it's
Speaker 2: a new church. I didn't even know, Joe.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know pastors was a job, because every
Speaker 2: when I grew up the palla he was the principal.
Speaker 2: He was a shada, he cut hair. He wasn't no
Speaker 2: preacher full time. That wasn't the only job he had.
Speaker 2: I ain't know, I swear on you. I did not
Speaker 2: know that that was a full time job. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: just me. Maybe that was just a Southern thing. But yeah,
Speaker 2: hey man, my professor was the Wather. Whether Wather was
Speaker 2: a teacher at the school, or he was principal, or
Speaker 2: he was the custodian, he was the Bible. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: did other things. He wasn't just he just didn't preciate.
Speaker 2: Maybe not just by I don't know, right, that's just me.
Speaker 1: Hey, But one thing you got to think.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if Marvin saff has a megachurch, but
Speaker 4: I understand what what goes into it and what entails
Speaker 4: when it comes to the overhead for a church of
Speaker 4: that magnitude with a congregation, we stop building a church
Speaker 4: that big. Yeah, listen, I don't know. I ain't never
Speaker 4: been there. I ain't never been there. But this is
Speaker 4: not one thing I do. I love some preaching, boy,
Speaker 4: I love some preaching that you know. Grandma had me
Speaker 4: in the church, you know, Sunday Wednesday Bible study.
Speaker 1: I led the choir. You know, I was.
Speaker 4: I was in the I was in the junior choir.
Speaker 4: I was a junior deacon. I did look, I didn't
Speaker 4: look at everyone. I would need to see where they
Speaker 4: said that in the Bible. It's not in there. And
Speaker 4: they locked the doors in the Bible. No, it's not
Speaker 4: in there. That's not in there. You know, they re
Speaker 4: write their own story. Now, Yeah, we we we were
Speaker 4: good for that.
Speaker 1: That go to show you. Yeah, it used to be
Speaker 1: salvation was free. Uh huh.
Speaker 2: But ministers have found a way to charge for salvation.
Speaker 2: Salvation was free.
Speaker 1: But that's a good one every way. Man. They need
Speaker 1: to stop. Look that was that's a good one now.
Speaker 2: And it's not the fact that it's twenty dollars, it's
Speaker 2: the fact that he's put a number on it.
Speaker 1: Right. You don't tell somebody what they should give.
Speaker 2: That's between them and their God, yes, sir, not between
Speaker 2: the preacher trying to get money out your pocket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially especially during these times. I give.
Speaker 2: I ain't got no problem giving, But you don't. He
Speaker 2: ain't gonna tell me how much to give. That ain't
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with him. M that's between me. Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to answer. No matter what you think
Speaker 2: of Shannon Shark, Shannon is gonna have to answer for Shannon. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you could say one soul your own. Yeah, you trying
Speaker 2: to tell me what I need to do. I will
Speaker 2: have to give an account for this. I would have
Speaker 2: to go before that man and everything.
Speaker 1: He gonna say. You remember this, You gonna remember you
Speaker 1: remember that man. They need to. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: be liking that though you I don't. I don't listen. Listen.
Speaker 1: I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you and
Speaker 1: you're right now.
Speaker 4: I'm not getting too upset about it because I've come
Speaker 4: from the Baptist Church.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been there. I know what it's like
Speaker 1: from a love fast look from a loved one.
Speaker 2: Until I was a senior, look, I remember sitting on them,
Speaker 2: them them benches. We had one benches. You fly too much,
Speaker 2: you might get a splinter in your butt. We have
Speaker 2: no cushion. We didn't have no cushion.
Speaker 1: Any fleet.
Speaker 2: The elite well, I mean, I mean they revamped it,
Speaker 2: but it was a church and you felt and you
Speaker 2: felt the Lord come in there, not in I got
Speaker 2: all these fancy things.
Speaker 1: Lord, I ain't coming by here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pay y'all, y'all play it in my name now, Hey,
Speaker 2: y'all gonna have.
Speaker 4: Hey, there was some good days now you now you
Speaker 4: got I mean, just you mentioned that video. Just bring
Speaker 4: back memories at church with grandma in over Town. You
Speaker 4: know about Overtown right in Miami. Yeah, small Alliver Baptist Church.
Speaker 4: I'll never forget Reverend Clark and got as I got
Speaker 4: a little My first pastor with day was Reverend Clark
Speaker 4: for real. Yeahs as I got a little older. You know,
Speaker 4: Miami Northwestern were Teddy Bridgewater just won a national championship. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I started walking from my grandma house on forty fourth eleven.
Speaker 1: I started walking to.
Speaker 4: New Birth because the new Birth they they was at
Speaker 4: Miami Northwestern having church there. And I started going to
Speaker 4: see the Honorable Victor T.
Speaker 1: Curry's Victor T. Curry and became a part of that church.
Speaker 4: And now they over there in a open lock off
Speaker 4: one thirty fifth everybody that's a part of the new Birth.
Speaker 4: I know you might see this, Victor Curry. I hope
Speaker 4: everything is good. I know I ain't been at church
Speaker 4: in a while. I ain't got no suits, But I
Speaker 4: love you and I'm doing I'm doing right.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, But yeah, you've been preaching prosperity for the
Speaker 2: longest time. You remember the televangelist see Reverend Ike, and
Speaker 2: they had Jimmy Swagger, and they had.
Speaker 1: R yeah, Hey, yeah, oh, and Jimmy Swagg got him
Speaker 1: in talk aout. Father.
Speaker 2: I've seeing I'm saying, hey, hey, but I'm saying y'all
Speaker 2: remember Rex Humbard.
Speaker 1: It was Jimmy Swagger, Rex Hombar.
Speaker 2: Reverendnike went the first one because repend Ike was having
Speaker 2: you put five dollars and send it in for the
Speaker 2: prayer cloth. I don't know if y'all remember that, but
Speaker 2: I've been before your time chat, but I'm old enough
Speaker 2: to remember. That's one thing about being old, and once
Speaker 2: you get to a certain age, you realize that's your
Speaker 2: only purpose left to do is to get old.
Speaker 1: Man, They're gonna stop playing me.
Speaker 6: Hey man, hey, hey hey.
Speaker 4: That was classic God damn Jimmy Swagger. I remember jim Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I said bad.
Speaker 2: Look that's like I said, Look, I give when Lord
Speaker 2: knows you bless me, and I don't have no I
Speaker 2: don't have no problem.
Speaker 1: And not only do I give to the church if
Speaker 1: people in need. Yeah, that's me. Hey, that's gonna.
Speaker 2: Help people in the wildfires that that that happened in California.
Speaker 1: Yes, hey Shannon, Hey, you know.
Speaker 2: Me and my mom with my mom, ain't got nowhere
Speaker 2: to go, Shannon, Right, I get your I get your
Speaker 2: place for a couple of months.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: Hey, I've never that's the way my my my grandmother
Speaker 2: would give people her last.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why you came, like, hey, you told my
Speaker 1: dad ain't got nothing to eat?
Speaker 2: You know we can We're gonna be okay, we got
Speaker 2: some rude beggars and you know we can make some
Speaker 2: crack limit.
Speaker 1: No, let that make rude beggars.
Speaker 2: Give them what we're gonna eat, and then we can
Speaker 2: go to the superpark and we get some hot dogs.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: How mad?
Speaker 2: Now how Mary Porter was she say? Son, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: one day God will bless you. Yeah, hey, listen, she
Speaker 2: she really truly believed.
Speaker 1: In that, right, hold on, I believe in that and
Speaker 1: always have.
Speaker 4: You know, you remember remember when I used to do
Speaker 4: do the tipping, do the tipping all the task, and
Speaker 4: I would put proverbs certain the generous person will always
Speaker 4: I started stopped doing it. Because I kind of got
Speaker 4: in trouble because people seeing me do that against the others,
Speaker 4: so they complaining, well, why you're not sending more than
Speaker 4: me if you got extra to give the strangers out there.
Speaker 1: So I just stopped doing it all together, you know.
Speaker 2: So anyway, but I say, that's the same thing, oh Joe,
Speaker 2: when we gave to a southern right, And why did
Speaker 2: you say ro ro Come on?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah, what about A and T?
Speaker 1: What about this? Yeah? Yeah, so it's it's I stopped.
Speaker 2: I stopped forms Savana State gets my underboted attention.
Speaker 1: They don't the least.
Speaker 2: Right, no matter what's Yeah, absolutely, and I love HBCUs.
Speaker 2: I matriculated, yes, and I got a degree from Savannah State.
Speaker 2: But first and foremost, I'm here sitting in this seat
Speaker 2: because a lot of people at Savannah State, Haynes Walton,
Speaker 2: Norman Aylmore, Claire Baines, George McLamore, Joanne Green, Steve Smith,
Speaker 2: Gay hewittt they believed in me. Yeah, they believed in me.
Speaker 2: So man, please, But I've always been like that, O Joe.
Speaker 2: I've always you know, when I got money, I used
Speaker 2: to go back and and and tithe and and make
Speaker 2: sure my GRANDMOA who give me something to put into church?
Speaker 1: I give my grandma. You know who? You want me
Speaker 1: to put all this in church? You say, can't you
Speaker 1: something to put in church?
Speaker 4: You ain't got to put it all there. Keep something
Speaker 4: for yourself. Now, you ain't gotta put it all to them.
Speaker 4: But you say, give you something to put in shirt?
Speaker 4: You want to put it all in there?
Speaker 1: I can't. You know your baby gonna take care of you.
Speaker 1: Grad you go get smoke. The volume