WEBVTT - The Last Four Years

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, Peepsen, and welcome to ook F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Me your Girl, Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a bittersweet that wok F is winding down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to dedicate a solo show that you will

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<v Speaker 1>listen to over the holidays on my reflections over the

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<v Speaker 1>last seven years of helming this show and speaking and

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<v Speaker 1>creating an audience with all of you. But I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have done this show without the consistency of the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of doctor Jonathan Metzel, who for four years has shown

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<v Speaker 1>up each and every week to engage in conversation with me,

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<v Speaker 1>with all of us, and just to think about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just think about it for a moment, what we've been

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<v Speaker 1>through as a country over the last four years, what

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<v Speaker 1>you've been through personally over the last four years. It's

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<v Speaker 1>wild to kind of wrap your mind around. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have found such solace and hopefulness in the grounding conversations

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been able to have with Jonathan over the

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<v Speaker 1>last several years. And I think that his insight has

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<v Speaker 1>been invaluable and I have appreciated it so very much,

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<v Speaker 1>And it is just I can't believe that this is

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<v Speaker 1>our last interview on WOKF and so today we just

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<v Speaker 1>take some time to we're reflect on what has transpired

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<v Speaker 1>over the last four years, what we've learned and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and give thoughts to how we move in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>So I really hope that you enjoy this conversation, this

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<v Speaker 1>last conversation on WOKF with our friend, our in house doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Jonathan Metzel. Uh So, folks, I am this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is so crazy. Uh For four years, for four years,

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<v Speaker 1>uh doctor, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzl has

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<v Speaker 1>been in conversation on WOKF daily and today is our

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<v Speaker 1>final interview on WOKF. Which is so wild, Jonathan, it's

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<v Speaker 1>wiping tears from his eyes. Is so wild to think

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<v Speaker 1>about the hours Jonathan, that you and I have spent

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<v Speaker 1>together on air. I first off just want to thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for all of your time, for all of your

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<v Speaker 1>analysis over the years, which has just been like priceless.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess I want to start off with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some of your reflections over over time together.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, think about what's happened to like our lives,

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<v Speaker 2>our everything, like you know, so so much has happened

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<v Speaker 2>just in the world globally and personally, and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>great to have a consistent friendship above all else that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of sees you through all of these ups and

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<v Speaker 2>downs about elections and global shit and relationships and breakups

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<v Speaker 2>and everything else. Like we've become really good friends. This

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<v Speaker 2>love I love that part, and so that part has

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<v Speaker 2>been so meaningful, and there are days where we have

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny to think about, like when we first started

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<v Speaker 2>doing this, Yeah, we would spend quite a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>time working on the you know before like what's the

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<v Speaker 2>agenda and where the points that we're to get hit.

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<v Speaker 2>And then about halfway through we realized, like, okay, just

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<v Speaker 2>turn on the damn camera.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll figure it out the microphone and we'll figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we just figured out that like we had, we

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<v Speaker 2>had just gotten this like lovely I think resonance. So

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<v Speaker 2>for me, that's that beside any like one thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen ups and downs. Most of America I think

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<v Speaker 2>now realizes we warned them pretty much about every single

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<v Speaker 2>thing that was going to happen. We predicted a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of shit here that I ended up happening. And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but but but but even beyond that, we just created

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<v Speaker 2>such a nice vibe, I think, And so I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>most grateful for the fact that we got so comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>that we would just be like, hey, hey, okay, turn

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<v Speaker 2>on look on the bikephone, you know that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I think that, you know, over the last

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<v Speaker 1>several years, like it is wild, honestly to think about

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<v Speaker 1>what we've been through as a country, but also what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been through personally in our personal lives, like you

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<v Speaker 1>bring up. But at some point we just realized, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're reading and watching the same things, so let's just

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<v Speaker 1>get on the air and talk about them and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about them in a way that can be easily digestible

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<v Speaker 1>for people. And I kind of want to take us

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<v Speaker 1>back to COVID, which is, you know where we started,

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<v Speaker 1>where we where we started being in conversation around that time,

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<v Speaker 1>and just kind of what did you what do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you learned, you know, back way back in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, you know, being on air every week, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you What could you say that you took

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<v Speaker 1>away from COVID?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say three things. So we started during COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>and number one was just that we were in an

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<v Speaker 2>information vacuum, and so it was a scramble every week

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<v Speaker 2>just to get the most updated information even though nobody knew,

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<v Speaker 2>but we were, we were ahead of It's just funny

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<v Speaker 2>how it was a real eye opener for how information travels.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I have my networks of experts, you have

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<v Speaker 2>your networks, but we were often ahead of the game

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<v Speaker 2>of a medical journal that had to wait a year

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<v Speaker 2>to publish things. But you know that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there was so much of a we're in

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<v Speaker 2>a really almost a kind of libertarian moment, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>about how information's read, and so the power of this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of media I thought was really powerful, both in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the information we were giving people, but also

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<v Speaker 2>like just what we were learning and how quickly we

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<v Speaker 2>were getting it out out there. I mean, the risk

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<v Speaker 2>is you have to be really careful not to tell

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<v Speaker 2>people to like drink draino or the other shit that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was saying, but or lightsol or whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 2>But but it's just you know, I think that it

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<v Speaker 2>was certainly a part of like that here's here's how

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting information out So that to me, that was

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<v Speaker 2>it is we would kind of touch base every week

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<v Speaker 2>and figure out what are you learning? Because nobody knew.

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<v Speaker 2>It was almost like the information underground.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I feel like we were also able to

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<v Speaker 1>just be you know, honest with the audience about our

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<v Speaker 1>own fears about what was happening, right, because while we

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<v Speaker 1>were busy being on air trying to convey information, as

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<v Speaker 1>we were receiving that information and trying to process it

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<v Speaker 1>and then relay it out to the audience, there was

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<v Speaker 1>also like just a lot of shit of dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that it could this be it? Right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in the middle of this health pandemic and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we had no idea how long it was going to last.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we're not leaving our homes where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're watching cardboard, We're doing all of these things and

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<v Speaker 1>and yet still trying to maintain some normalcy by being

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<v Speaker 1>in conversation. And I think that you know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know that a lot of people have been super grateful

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<v Speaker 1>for you in being able to keep them same and

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<v Speaker 1>keep them kind of gathered in themselves as we were

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<v Speaker 1>going through because you were, you know, they're the trusted

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<v Speaker 1>doctor that they could talk to, you know, listen to

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<v Speaker 1>every week and feel like there was some connection to

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<v Speaker 1>normalcy in that way well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think another part of this is just that that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we were building community in a particular way,

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<v Speaker 2>we were building we were building community because we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>all know. So it was also about support, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we thought it was the end, but now it turns

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<v Speaker 2>out this is the end now, So we're just we

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<v Speaker 2>were just a little bit early.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just a little bit early. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and during that time of twenty twenty when we got

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<v Speaker 1>on air, obviously you mentioned Donald Trump and Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>being president, you also are our resident you know, gun expert, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the gun violence that visited this country over the

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<v Speaker 1>last I mean, I don't even know, do you keep like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know how many horrific you know, acts of

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<v Speaker 1>mass shootings and gun violence that has happened that at

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<v Speaker 1>least you know, over the last several years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I mean, yeah, one every day, honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>But the other part is just the other part is

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<v Speaker 2>just we kind of talked so much on the show

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<v Speaker 2>about the bigger implications of gun politics, like, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>the issue of Elon Musk starting to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>Second Amendment when he very clearly did not give two

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<v Speaker 2>shits about it. But it was about like power, anti democracy,

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<v Speaker 2>bigger issues that tied in. So guns were also, as

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about in the book launch, and all these

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<v Speaker 2>things just so clearly tied into much bigger issues having

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<v Speaker 2>to do with governance and judiciary and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I just I can remember nine thousand

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<v Speaker 2>shows we did about mass shootings and also many more

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<v Speaker 2>shows we did about how the gun issue was being

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<v Speaker 2>tied to the judiciary and to judges and all these

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<v Speaker 2>other kind of factors that we talked about a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you think that people have come to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the epidemic, the pandemic, whatever it is that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to call it, of gun violence in this country now

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<v Speaker 1>versus when we first started.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think, you know, it's interesting, like I gave

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<v Speaker 2>the keynote or one of the keynotes at the Public

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<v Speaker 2>Health Gun Violence Association meeting last week with two big

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<v Speaker 2>time gun scholars who were who were people who I

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<v Speaker 2>never would have thought I was on the same side

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<v Speaker 2>about like in the beginning of the whole thing, like

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<v Speaker 2>I was critical, I was you know, they thought, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, this guy's coming after us or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so part of the story was I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>been a coming together, like the fact that I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to give a keynote of this thing and we

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<v Speaker 2>had this thing and they were on my panel and

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<v Speaker 2>they said, you know, we agree, we need a bigger

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<v Speaker 2>political strategy. So I think people are starting to realize

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<v Speaker 2>that that I think, I think the arguments, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the argument's coming Doe. But you know, so now it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll kind of go from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just you know, look, we're coming off of

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<v Speaker 1>the school shooting in Madison, Wisconsin. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>many shootings that we've had this year, but I would

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<v Speaker 1>assume that it is, you know, in the hundreds. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I wonder because your your book, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>came out this year, what we've become. You've gone around

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<v Speaker 1>the country speaking to people about reframing our argument. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that has fallen on people? And do

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<v Speaker 1>you see what what does the movement look like moving forward?

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing that Donald Trump is weeks away from taking office,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>We get there, honestly. I mean, that's my biggest help

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<v Speaker 2>is that we get there. Because yelling about background checks,

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<v Speaker 2>which we do after every shooting as an impulse, which

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<v Speaker 2>is important, but it's just not going to get us

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<v Speaker 2>to where we need to be. We need, we need

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<v Speaker 2>to come prepared with understanding how to win elections and

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<v Speaker 2>then how to seat judges. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as much as I respect the work that stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>background checks do, it's it's just it's not it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the answer to the threat we're facing right now. Background

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<v Speaker 2>Checks are point of sale gun checks, so when you

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<v Speaker 2>buy a gun, you go through a background check. Thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred million guns out there, so you could stop

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<v Speaker 2>selling guns tomorrow, which is never going to happen, and

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<v Speaker 2>it still wouldn't really matter. And so you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>need a more holistic, top to bottom strategy. And I

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<v Speaker 2>do worry I see a lot of people making the

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<v Speaker 2>mistake of thinking, if we just shout louder next time,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll get us there. But I really hope that's not

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<v Speaker 2>where we come to. I think we need to be

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<v Speaker 2>much more unified and strategic about this issue. But this

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<v Speaker 2>issue is such a metaphor for so many other issues.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think is what is most concerning you

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<v Speaker 1>about this incoming Trump two point zero administration.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this, I think last week, but that

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<v Speaker 2>idea that basically the opposite of to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>political opposition. People are just really tired and they feel

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<v Speaker 2>like the system's not working for them, and they feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it's overwhelming, and it it doesn't matter who you

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<v Speaker 2>vote for. Elon Musk can overturn your entire economy with

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<v Speaker 2>two hours of tweeting, And so it feels hopeless and

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<v Speaker 2>people start to check out. And I know from having

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<v Speaker 2>studied other places that kind of go down the path

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<v Speaker 2>that we are potentially going down. It's when people start

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<v Speaker 2>to become exhausted, they become complacent. But the other issue

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<v Speaker 2>is the old methods of protests and resistance are not

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<v Speaker 2>going to work. I mean, doing a women's march right

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<v Speaker 2>now is not going to work. You know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's we need a new strategy that is a much

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<v Speaker 2>more strategic strategy that involves more money, more people. And also,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we're serious about speaking, for example, to

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<v Speaker 2>the interests of working class people, we can't just shout

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<v Speaker 2>louder about things that they already know about. We actually

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<v Speaker 2>need a new plate. And so you know, something's going

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<v Speaker 2>to emerge. I hope something. I hope something is going

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<v Speaker 2>to emerge, and I hope it's I hope it's a

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<v Speaker 2>new thing that is more on the ground and less.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we won the social media a wars for

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<v Speaker 2>a while there, but we didn't win the convince people

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<v Speaker 2>that we have their best heart passengers in my mind thing,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we're going to need a new playbook,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's what's emerging right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there any opportunities that you see inside of the

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<v Speaker 1>obstacles in front of us in this incoming administration?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people realize we're on the same side, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know who knows, you know who who knows? I mean again,

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<v Speaker 2>like when to be honest, when Trump won, I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I got to live with this for the

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<v Speaker 2>next four years. I hope he does a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>I really do. Like it's not like I want him

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<v Speaker 2>to fail for four years and everything to fall apart

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<v Speaker 2>so that I can win some more argument. I want

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<v Speaker 2>the economy to do well. And then when he started

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<v Speaker 2>making the appointments and doing all this stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, man, I don't know, So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my concern is that our system is like

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<v Speaker 2>wanting the other side to do bad. So you can

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<v Speaker 2>point everybody and say, look, how shitty. They are swinging

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<v Speaker 2>on this pendulum, and there's some serious things at play

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<v Speaker 2>right now, right like getting it's easy to bluster your

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<v Speaker 2>way into a trade war. It's really hard to manage

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<v Speaker 2>and get out of a trade war, or when a

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<v Speaker 2>trade war. So we're blustering our way into some really

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<v Speaker 2>complicated stuff, and I just hope he's got like the

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<v Speaker 2>right brilliant minds to navigate this.

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan, you have seen who he is appointing, So which

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<v Speaker 1>one of them is bright and brilliant?

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<v Speaker 2>The job of the hut? The secretary of Labor. Yeah, Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm just saying I'm making a point,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that it's going to be important at some

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<v Speaker 2>point to have qualified people. So who knows how long

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<v Speaker 2>this cabinet will? You know, I was being a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit ironic, I think, So I do want to ask you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you've mentioned it a couple of times. People

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<v Speaker 1>are exhausted, People are finding themselves in a place of hopelessness,

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<v Speaker 1>and what comes with that is that people tune out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think to a certain extent it is important

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<v Speaker 1>to tune out. I don't think that you can follow

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<v Speaker 1>everything that this administration is going to be doing and

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<v Speaker 1>your mental health stay intact, Like I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that that is going to be possible. But what

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<v Speaker 1>recommendations do you have for people to keep their wits

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<v Speaker 1>about them as the circus comes to town?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Again, I think, believe it or not, Fetterman

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<v Speaker 2>is right about this. Pick your battles, be really strategic

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<v Speaker 2>about your battles. Think about the strategy of our positions.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I just think we're kind of a leaderless

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<v Speaker 2>organization right now, and we're new a little bit of direction,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there's a lot of you know, are we

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<v Speaker 2>for or against murdering a healthcare CEO? Are we for

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<v Speaker 2>or against like all things? I don't know. We're just

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<v Speaker 2>like all over the place right now about like things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So I think we're trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>like what we're about, But it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>something we know. In other words, if we yell louder.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe this, and all my research shows if we

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<v Speaker 2>yell louder about medicare for all, or if we yell

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<v Speaker 2>outder about common sense gun reform, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>convince more people. If we become more centrist, we lose

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<v Speaker 2>people on the left. So we need some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's not you know, that takes a reckoning, It

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<v Speaker 2>looks in a mirror of how we got here, and

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<v Speaker 2>then thinks about ways. There was a really, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>good article in the Atlantic about how politics is the

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<v Speaker 2>game of persuasion, and right is really good at persuading people,

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<v Speaker 2>and the left is falling into trap of kind of

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<v Speaker 2>moralizing people, and so we need to get back in

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<v Speaker 2>the persuasion game a little bit more. I just think

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<v Speaker 2>about in my book, for example, the one guy who said,

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<v Speaker 2>you think, if you just yell louder, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>know your points. But I understand your points already, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with them, and so we you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, I think we're gonna have to think about

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<v Speaker 2>our playbook, think about how to broaden our coalitions and

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<v Speaker 2>build from there. And then also, as much as possible,

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<v Speaker 2>save all the archives of our institutions that are about

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<v Speaker 2>to be taken apart.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, last thing for you is, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>are you most looking forward to in twenty twenty five?

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<v Speaker 2>My softball team is going down to Mexico. We're playing

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<v Speaker 2>if they'll have us, I guess from local Mexican teams.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing a lot of like different traveling and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that, and so I hope things don't implode. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Vanderbilt's doing some pretty incredible things right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there are there's progress happening in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of places in this country, and I just hope doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>get arrested stopped. I meant too much.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, my dear friend, I cannot thank you

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<v Speaker 1>enough for all of these years, for all of these conversations,

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<v Speaker 1>and I look forward to seeing you in the new year,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, figuring out a way that we continue

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<v Speaker 1>talking because it has been that has really been an honor,

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<v Speaker 1>and I genuinely mean that.

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<v Speaker 2>Very much the same for me, And thank you to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone out there who followed along.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you. That is it for me today, dear friends,

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<v Speaker 1>on woke app as always, power to the people and

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<v Speaker 1>to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke.

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<v Speaker 1>As fun