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Speaker 1: How are you, Donald Faison.

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Speaker 2: You know I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we don't want you to lie. No one wants lies.

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I'm living to dream. I've got a lot of hardware

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Speaker 3: in my house and I kind of like it.

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Speaker 1: What's the hardware. Oh, it's animation gear.

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Speaker 2: I got a shit ton of animation gear. Like, I

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Speaker 2: got a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: First of all, shout out to the people that like

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Speaker 3: A Like A Studios and the people at Stupid Buddy

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Speaker 3: Studios who have been very supportive of my animation and

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Speaker 3: the things that I want to do with animation, and

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Speaker 3: Rob Ronning and his team of puppeteered puppet makers and

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. Thank you to a whole bunch of people,

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Speaker 3: Brad Schiff, all your mentors, all my mentors, all my buddies.

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Speaker 3: It's a small community, but it's a very helping community.

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Speaker 3: And because of this, I now have a junior, a

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Speaker 3: compact junior motion control rig, and I have something that's

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Speaker 3: called a jetpack that you put on the back of

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Speaker 3: puppets that helps with subtle movements. And this is because

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Speaker 3: of the people at Leika and the people at Stupid

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Speaker 3: Buddy Studios.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so you have a real like so the motion

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Speaker 1: control camera rig is going to allow you you to

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Speaker 1: move the camera and crane up and down as you're animating.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: What happens is I program it to do what I

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Speaker 3: wanted to do before I film. It's a lot of

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Speaker 3: blocking obviously, but then with animating, instead of having to

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Speaker 3: of that, because that's already pre set. Now I can

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Speaker 3: now just focus on the animating and.

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Speaker 2: The story I want to tell.

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Speaker 1: That's that's amazing, dude. It's like you're a you're an

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Speaker 1: artist who got a very fancy new instrument. Let's say

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Speaker 1: you're a guitarist and you've got a very very fancy

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Speaker 3: You know what, It reminds me of godday you got

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Speaker 3: your first movie camera, where you were like, I can

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Speaker 3: freaking make a movie on my own right now.

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Speaker 1: I know. And I took a lot of pride too,

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Speaker 1: and a good person. There were there were shots from

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Speaker 1: my Red Kimodo that were in the movie, yes, and

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Speaker 1: I was very pleased that it looked as good as

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Speaker 1: it did. My own camera were some of the shots

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Speaker 1: were shot from that. If you saw the movie, all

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Speaker 1: the shots of Florence swimming in the beginning, that was

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Speaker 1: all just my my red Kimodo, which is a beautiful camera.

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Speaker 3: Those are some great shots. To really think about it, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It opens the movie.

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Speaker 1: It opens the movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Donald, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Europe to visit our friend Josh Raiden.

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Speaker 2: I like this. These are the things that I don't like.

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Speaker 1: But you're not coming. Well, you you can't. You never

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Speaker 1: want to do stuff.

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Speaker 2: I've got kids, Yeah, you do have kids.

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Speaker 1: Well, Josh Reiden and I don't have kids. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to hang out together in Europe.

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Speaker 2: Where in Europe?

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Speaker 1: Well, we're first I'm.

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Speaker 2: Going where can where can the people find you?

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Speaker 1: Well this will come out long after I'm gone, but

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Speaker 1: we're starting in Stockholm, where Josh is a regular and

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Speaker 1: I've been to Stockholm a couple of times and it's

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Speaker 1: a beautiful city. And and then we're gonna work our

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Speaker 1: way through. We're going to go to Paris, and then

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Speaker 1: there's a dot dot dot about what we do next.

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Speaker 1: But we have some time to play.

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Speaker 2: Go to go to London.

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Speaker 1: I may I've been in London the most of all,

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Speaker 1: so I'm trying to get outside of my box. I

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Speaker 1: got this new Do you see this G Shock watch

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Speaker 1: I got? Isn't that cool?

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Speaker 2: Is that from our shot shock spots around?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: I wish they did. I I have some fancy watches,

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Speaker 1: and people told me don't wear fancy watches, uh traveling

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Speaker 1: because you'll get your arm cut off. So wait, well,

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Speaker 1: you know if you have a fancy, nice watch, you're

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Speaker 1: you're sort of a target for being robbed obviously, So.

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Speaker 2: You think they're gonna rob you just because you're Zach Raft?

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Speaker 1: No, No, just because if I was wearing a nice

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Speaker 1: watch like a dummy walking around the wrong place at

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Speaker 1: So I want to keep my hands.

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Speaker 2: Got it.

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Speaker 1: So my friend, who's a big watch guy, said, oh,

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Speaker 1: just go get a cool G shock and let me

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Speaker 1: tell you something. G Shock is not a sponsor of

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Speaker 1: this podcast, but they should because look how cool this

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Speaker 2: It's pretty nice. It's pretty nice g Shock watch. Goddamn,

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Joel?

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Speaker 2: How are you living Man? I'm great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Took a breath to say it, and everything next hel

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Speaker 2: Joel living Man?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I followed Joel on Instagram. It looks like she's

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Speaker 1: living her best life from the Instagram fields things. But

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Speaker 1: I guess that's true for everyone, right, we all post

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Speaker 1: like the best shot. Yeah, I I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't appreciate the person that's just like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: post all my bullshit on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the person that's like, I'm gonna fake it.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: You don't wann't want to see negativity, You're gonna mute negativity.

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Speaker 1: I like to see you. Show me something made me.

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Speaker 2: Laugh, show me, make me happy, inspire me.

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Speaker 1: I sent Donald the funniest fucking meme, which I'm not

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Speaker 1: even gonna talk about this on the on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's too it's too x rated even for us. But

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Speaker 1: that ship is funny. Boy.

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Speaker 2: You send me a couple that have been like, oh ship.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the one, the one, the one that

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Speaker 1: was related to kind of lingis Oh my god, h

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Speaker 1: listen Donald. I send Donald so many memes and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't reply to motest. But once in a while I

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Speaker 1: got an L O L and I feel like I

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Speaker 1: want a prize. You get a ha ha yeah, ha

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Speaker 1: ha ha ha and also if you put a bee

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Speaker 1: before it, baha ha ha ha, it's even harder. I

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Speaker 1: am sorry. They didn't pick up a Shoka ah Sosca.

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Speaker 2: Did they cancel Ahska too, didn't they?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: Acolyte canceled the Accolte.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we'll get a second season.

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Speaker 1: Get that right for me. I may have fucked that up.

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Speaker 2: No, that's fine, don't worry about it. You could say

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Speaker 2: that ship. I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make mistakes. But uh, they canceled

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Speaker 1: the Acolyte the Acolyte, Okay, but they didn't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you now that it's gone,

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Speaker 3: Thank goodness, they canceled that ship.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess all. I guess all the mega fans

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Speaker 1: agreed with you, Donald because they they it's.

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Speaker 3: Not about it's listen. I'm gonna just say one thing.

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Speaker 3: They were stepping into waters that were just a little

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Speaker 3: too deep. They were stepping into the lore of Darth's

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Speaker 3: plagus the Wise. And if you're gonna do that, you

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Speaker 3: have to really really I don't want to hear the

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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear about his apprentice. I want

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Speaker 3: to hear about the You.

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Speaker 5: Know you're a sexy ass apprentice. That's crazy, Donald eighty

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Speaker 5: five the reason.

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Speaker 6: Taking off his don't.

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Speaker 2: This listen? Listen?

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Speaker 3: There was one episode of that show that was worth

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Speaker 3: watching everything else. I'm sorry it was very slow paced.

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Speaker 3: You could have tied all of that into one episode.

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Speaker 2: Many issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know what, I've been watching that I

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Speaker 1: I don't think i'd seen it, And man, that is

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Speaker 1: the funniest show ever. Like that is the funniest ever.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you that. I can't think of a

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Speaker 1: humor per minute than VEEP. It's just it's insane, the amount.

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Speaker 1: It's just all it is set up joke, set up joke,

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Speaker 2: It's like, my question, my question is this by season?

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Speaker 2: Are you saying this? Are you saying as a whole

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Speaker 2: in general? I'm saying because there are certain seasons of

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Speaker 2: the Office that are fucking lights out compared on Televison.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, they're both, they're both. We're talking about you know,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about rarefied air. We're talking about some of

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Speaker 1: the funniest shows of our of our lives. I think

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Speaker 1: Veep is one of the funniest comedies I've seen in

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Speaker 1: my adult life. Half hour comedies. Yeah, the cast is

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Speaker 2: My god, the one that says the least.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, he's like the only nice person and

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Speaker 1: he's the only angel. Well, I'm so thrilled we have

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Speaker 1: Henry Winkler on today. I mean, this is a big honor.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Donald and I Donald and I grew up

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Speaker 1: at the time when this, when you know, Happy Days

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Speaker 1: for you, Don, but in my life, it was a

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Speaker 1: for him. He's known as like literally being the nicest

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Speaker 3: Dude, He's one of my mentors and he probably doesn't

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Speaker 3: even know he's one of my mentors. That's how amazing

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Speaker 3: Henry Winkler is, you know what I mean, like one

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Speaker 3: of my first Like listen, you know me, Zach.

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Speaker 2: You know how I take a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: I don't take a lot of things serious things that

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Speaker 2: I fucking kind of like, hey, you know, it is

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I did that, and we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: about this with him, obviously, But I did that when

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Speaker 3: Wikelers coming in to direct for the week. Everybody, this

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Speaker 3: you know, I get my car, I drive to Paramount,

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Speaker 3: jump out of my car, put on all of this,

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Speaker 3: all my clothes, put my makeup on, you know you

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Speaker 3: and deep ship when the makeup artists ain't saying shit

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Speaker 2: You like mm hmm, you dumb ass motherfucker.

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Speaker 1: Right right to be associated with your right.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're in deep ship. So I get all

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for saying it's true.

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Speaker 1: We'll still take you. We can get your special deal.

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Speaker 4: I said, oh my god, I wish I did.

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Speaker 1: No, Donald, I've had this thing. I walk around New

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Speaker 1: Plan is best for you.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these fine words, Henry, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to tell you because you're talking about your book

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Speaker 1: beloved TV shows, including Happy Days, and a director with

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Speaker 1: an enormous career including Pretty Women and many others. But

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Speaker 1: Gary had such a charactery voice and him telling his

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Speaker 1: stories and his voice is wonderful and I and I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to just segue into that in the Happy

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Speaker 1: Days via that, because I'll tell you.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you something. I could not wear leather in

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Speaker 4: the beginning. I had to wear cloth because ABC thought

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Speaker 4: for sure I was going to be associated with crime.

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Speaker 3: In the beginning, you look like you worked at a

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Speaker 3: like at a mechanic shop and everything like that.

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Speaker 2: You always had the was it blue, But the.

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Speaker 4: Jacket was a McGregor golf jacket, and it was very

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Speaker 4: hard to be cool in cloth. So Gary went to

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Speaker 4: ABC and he said, you know, he could be height.

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Speaker 4: If he's riding his bike, he should fall over, he

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Speaker 4: could get a scratch. And so ABC said, when he's

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Speaker 4: with his bike, he can wearther and then there was

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Speaker 4: no cell phone at that time. He went down to

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Speaker 4: the lobby of ABC, he said, he called the writer's room.

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Speaker 4: He said, okay, never write another scene without Phonsie's bike again.

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Speaker 4: That's how the leather got in there.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. And I'm telling you, if you listened to

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Speaker 1: this book, there are so many stories like that from

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Speaker 1: all these shows. And he had he had, he had

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Speaker 1: happy Days going on on one set, and he had

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Speaker 1: more co and Mindy going on another stage. He had,

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Speaker 1: he had h Leverne Shirley, and he's running between all

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Speaker 1: of them, running all of these massive hits. And he

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Speaker 1: and his anecdotes are are so telling you.

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Speaker 4: When when, uh, when Robin came to audition. Now it's Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: We start Monday morning at ten o'clock on the sound stage.

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Speaker 4: That is, at nine o'clock we read ten o'clock. We're

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Speaker 4: on the sound stage. Nobody wanted to play this alien

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Speaker 4: from out of Space Wednesday. Now we're shooting on Friday.

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Speaker 4: Wednesday comes finally a young, very shy, very quiet man

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Speaker 4: comes with the casting director and you and then this

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Speaker 4: human being picked up the script. When he opened his mouth,

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Speaker 4: it was like a volcano went off on stage nineteen

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Speaker 4: at Paramount, and I knew, get out of his way,

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Speaker 4: ye know my lines, and don't try to stand toe

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Speaker 4: to toe with this genius that is now standing in

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Speaker 4: front of me. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And was that Robin Williams first thing? Was that his

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Speaker 1: first time?

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Speaker 2: I think it was.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he made appearances before that.

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Speaker 1: Joell can look at us, but I think it.

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Speaker 4: Might have been his first. He did comedy clubs.

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Speaker 1: Right now, first TV appearance probably yeah, But oh my lord.

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Speaker 1: We always like to ask our guests, how did you

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Speaker 1: get the part?

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Speaker 2: What was your explorer?

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Speaker 3: How did you get how did you get into the industry?

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Speaker 3: And then how did you get the part the industry?

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Speaker 4: The first thing I did was I was in a

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Speaker 4: repertory company at my drama school in New Haven, Yale

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Speaker 4: Repertory Theater. And then I would do a play at

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Speaker 4: night with the company, and you would rehearse another play

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Speaker 4: during the day. I made one hundred and seventy five

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Speaker 4: dollars a week. I was in heaven. Then I went

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Speaker 4: to New York. I tried out for commercials and then

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Speaker 4: I made enough money. I had just made Lords of

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Speaker 4: Flatbush with sly stallone. I made two thousand dollars for

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Speaker 4: twelve months work, but I had enough money for a

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Speaker 4: ticket to California for one month. In that month, the

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Speaker 4: first thing I got was the Mary Tyler Moore show,

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Speaker 4: which was the Friends of that time. I got a scene.

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Speaker 4: I had eight lines. And then the next week, my

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Speaker 4: second week, I auditioned at Paramount. The room of actors

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Speaker 4: waiting had all been on television. I had seen them

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Speaker 4: all and me, Oh my goodness, it was my turn.

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Speaker 4: I walked in and something went off in my brain

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Speaker 4: and I changed my voice and I did the eight

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Speaker 4: lines through the script up in the air, saunted out

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Speaker 4: of the room. And when my money ran out, when

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Speaker 4: I had to fly back to New York, the producers

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Speaker 4: called and said, would you like to play this part?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? And I said, okay, what did you

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Speaker 1: do to your voice? Because what was cool? You had

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Speaker 1: to you had to figure out, like what's cool or

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Speaker 1: like universally.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I didn't figure anything out. I went from being henry

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Speaker 4: nervous a short jew two, hey, look don't look at

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Speaker 4: me like that, and all of a sudden, and then

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Speaker 4: I threw the script up in the air. I walked

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Speaker 4: out of that room, and Gary Marshall said, I think

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Speaker 4: I saw something in this young man, and he gave.

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Speaker 1: Me the part I read that you weren't at all

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Speaker 1: with Gary pictured for the part.

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Speaker 4: No, they wanted a tall Italian. They got a very

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Speaker 4: short jew from New York. And people, you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: even to this day when I try all around the country,

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Speaker 4: around the world, people say to me, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: I thought you were much taller.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did they shoot you in such a way that,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: Just the energy, the energy was that's the most powerful,

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Speaker 3: and like we have jokes about it or at at work,

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Speaker 3: Zach and I, like we had a stand in uh

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Speaker 3: named Deontay and we called him Black Phonzie because he

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Speaker 3: just had the gift to gab with the ladies and

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Speaker 3: he knew how to work the work, the crew and

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Speaker 3: he knew all of it.

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Speaker 2: He knew everything it was like. And we called him

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Speaker 2: Black Phronsie because he was he just was so cool.

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Ladies loved them, all the ladies, well.

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Speaker 2: The ladies loved him. But he also he had to

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Speaker 2: end with every department. He was my standing.

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Speaker 3: He had to end with every department, so every department

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Speaker 3: knew him. And he knew everyone, and he was just

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Speaker 3: he was just a cool guy on set, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It was just great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I make the joke I have a friend

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Speaker 1: who's h who is very promiscuous, and I say, he's

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Speaker 1: got to move cities now, because I remember there being

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Speaker 1: an episode where Phronsie had been with every woman in

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee and he had to move, didn't he have to?

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Speaker 1: I just remember so joke about that. So I always

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Speaker 1: say that my friend, like, he's going to change cities

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Speaker 1: because he's like Phonsie, he's already dated every girl in

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Speaker 1: the city. Henry, this show was enormous. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: show wasn't just on the air nowadays. Obviously it goes

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Speaker 1: without saying there's so much more content. But what was

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Speaker 1: life like for you when you were on this show.

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Speaker 1: I read a Beatle came up to you.

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Speaker 4: Beatles came I met every Beatle except for George. I

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Speaker 4: was walking on the street in New York City with

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Speaker 4: my wife and coming the other direction was Paul McCartney,

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Speaker 4: and he went the phones and we stood talking. A

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Speaker 4: woman came out of a store gave us each a rose.

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Speaker 4: Another woman came up and said, hey, do you mind

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Speaker 4: if I just stand here, he said, we're in the

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Speaker 4: middle of a conversation. No. Then he gave me a

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Speaker 4: phone number and he said, let's get in touch, and I,

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Speaker 4: like an asshole, call that number every ten minutes for

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Speaker 4: twenty four hours as what I a as you should

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Speaker 4: never answered. So if he is listening, I would just

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Speaker 4: like to say, I'm a really good guy. Could you

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Speaker 4: call me back because i'd I'd love to have lunch.

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Speaker 1: That's so funny. Well, I just mean it must have

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Speaker 1: been such your crazy existence, because you know the level

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Speaker 1: of success that not only the show had, but your character.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they wanted to change the name of the

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Speaker 1: show to Fonsi's Happy Days. You broke out on such

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Speaker 1: a level it must have been.

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Speaker 4: But I asked them, I said, look, do me a favor.

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Speaker 4: If I have any juice whatsoever, Please do not do

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Speaker 4: that because it would be such a slap in the

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Speaker 4: face for everybody else. I was part of an ensemble,

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Speaker 4: the Fawns. Without that family, without those boys, I don't

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Speaker 4: know where he would be. And it is Happy Days.

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Speaker 4: If it's not broken, don't fix.

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Speaker 1: It, don't fix Was that hard for Ron?

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Speaker 2: Howard?

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Speaker 1: Do you think like has he ever shared with you that.

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Speaker 1: Obviously he broke out to but I wonder what was

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Speaker 1: that difficult for him.

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Speaker 4: I think that he was signed on as the star

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Speaker 4: of the show and we had a drive home in

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Speaker 4: his VW Origional Little Bug. We drove home from set.

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Speaker 4: We were doing one of those two part openings, and

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Speaker 4: I said, okay, Ron, we've got to talk about this,

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Speaker 4: and he said, look, it hurt my feelings, but you

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Speaker 4: did not do anything. You didn't have You don't have

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Speaker 4: an attitude. It's good for the show. You didn't try to,

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Speaker 4: you know, to outshine anybody. Yeah, so you know it's

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Speaker 4: the ying and the yang of that. But that was

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Speaker 4: the only time we ever talked about it. And he

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Speaker 4: is still my like my brother.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Because right after that, you got he directed a movie,

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Speaker 3: his first directorial debut.

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Speaker 2: He made you the star of the movie.

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Speaker 4: He came to me and he said, look, Warner Brothers

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Speaker 4: will fund the movie. They're going to give me six

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Speaker 4: million dollars. But they asked, would you be in the

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Speaker 4: movie and you can play either role. And I thought, well,

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Speaker 4: I was Flambuoyant for ten years. I'm going to play

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Speaker 4: Richie and so I chose the character of Chuck, and

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Speaker 4: he was incredibly He was twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Were you at the time? He was, No, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was. He was eighteen when I met him, and

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Speaker 4: I was twenty seven, okay, so nineteen twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 4: twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, thirty three. I was

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Speaker 4: about ten years older than he was, and he was

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Speaker 4: twenty five years old. And he said, are they going

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Speaker 4: to listen to me? The crew has been doing this

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Speaker 4: longer than I've been alive. I said, Ron, I promise you.

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Speaker 4: And he has such power as a person that when

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Speaker 4: he would stop and say, let me think about that,

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Speaker 4: everybody waited for Ron to tell us what to do.

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Speaker 1: You know, I read for him when I was a

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Speaker 1: kid for Parenthood. I read for the part that went

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Speaker 1: to Joaquin Phoenix.

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Speaker 4: Woh wow.

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Speaker 1: And I have this great memory you just reminded me

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Speaker 1: of And this never happened ever in another audition, he

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Speaker 1: was so sensitive. I was, I must have been thirteen fourteen,

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Speaker 1: and I think he knew that having anybody else in

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Speaker 1: the room would be intimidating. And I didn't know who

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Speaker 1: he was, or at least the young me didn't put

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Speaker 1: it all together. Right, you know, he was the guy

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Speaker 1: from Happy Days whatever. But the point was that he

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Speaker 1: didn't have anyone else in the room, and he and

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Speaker 1: I sat next to each other and we just read

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Speaker 1: the scene, just me and him. There was nobody else

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Speaker 1: in the room. And I always had such a like

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Speaker 1: a lovely memory of that going. What a sensitive man

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Speaker 1: to take all the intimidation out for the young kid.

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Speaker 4: And it was very wise. He was, even at eighteen

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Speaker 4: when I first met him, just an incredibly thoughtful, wise

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Speaker 4: human being. I was.

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, you have goals in life and

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Speaker 3: everything like that. And one of my goals was to

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Speaker 3: work with Ron Howard in some way, right, and I

658
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Speaker 3: think Felicity. When I got Felicity, that was Imagine Entertainment. Yes,

659
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: that's his company, right, yes, yes, And I remember when

660
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: I saw that.

661
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: I was like, I did it. I did it?

662
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 4: Yes.

663
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. My name is Ron Howard's name is right next

664
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: to each other. These are goals in life, you know

665
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: what I mean.

666
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: My goal is to get back on Broadway.

667
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: Oh you got you should be you can make that

668
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: dream and.

669
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 4: Not so easy, not so easy. I did three plays.

670
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: The first one closed in one night, the second one

671
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 4: ran for nine months. The third one closed in seven nights,

672
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 4: So now I need to do it one more time

673
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 4: to make that third one.

674
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I hear you. I've done a bunch of

675
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 1: I've not only on one Broadway show, but off Broadway ones.

676
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: And the Broadway thing is so tough because you know,

677
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: the critics can literally shut it down. Really when people do,

678
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: when people go, how does what is Henry Mina closed

679
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: in one night? What happens is if you get trashed

680
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: by the critics in New York, they just people aren't

681
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: gonna buy tickets, so it's just closes. The New York

682
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: Times whatever the New York Times says.

683
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that in London.

684
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: In London, Henry, I don't if you've ever had that experience,

685
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: But there's a little bit more. It's a fun experience

686
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: that uh to do a show there. And also it's

687
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: a little more spread out in terms of not one

688
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: paper controlling your entire fate.

689
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah. Right. In England, I did what is called pantomime

690
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 4: at Christmas. You put on this play with music and

691
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 4: I did Peter Pan. I played Captain Hook. Yeah, and

692
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: I did it in seven cities and it's been going

693
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 4: since seventeen fifty six. Let's say, and this particular form,

694
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 4: and the audience knows to yell at you and to

695
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 4: yell at Peter and go he's behind you. And I

696
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 4: would walk down to the lip of the stage and

697
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 4: I would say, if you warn him one more time,

698
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: I'm coming to your house and taking all your presents.

699
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: I would love to see you on stage, Henry.

700
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: So I hope you do that.

701
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: We can tell us about segueing into directing, because that's

702
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: what you did, and it's something I can relate to

703
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: myself that I've been doing a lot of. And did

704
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: you do you feel that you've been educated on doing

705
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, obviously sitcom directing is a unique style,

706
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: but was that an education for you?

707
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 4: It was? And not only that. Everything I learned about

708
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 4: being a professional on the set, in front or behind

709
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: the camera, I learned from Gary Marshall and from Jerry

710
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 4: rest Is Soul Paris. Jerry Paris directed I don't know

711
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: two hundred and forty episodes of Happy Days. He was unbelievable.

712
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: He was also the dentist on The Dick Van Dyke Show.

713
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 4: He was the next door neighbor, brilliant man. So this

714
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 4: is the way I see my directing career years ago.

715
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 4: You would get a lawnmower and you would pull it

716
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: in order to start it. You would pull the cord

717
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 4: and it would just about turnover who I was that lawnmower.

718
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: My directing career never really turned over. I directed commercials.

719
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 4: I directed half an hour.

720
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Donald told a story about you directing him and clueless,

721
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: and you were kind to him even though he was

722
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: tardy one day.

723
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: I was so tardy. It was the first day you

724
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: were there and I was so tardy.

725
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 4: That was the beginning of my directing. Yeah.

726
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well you put me in my first of all,

727
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: you put me in my place one. But you did

728
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: it in such a good way that you know to

729
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 3: this day, you know. I mean, dude, you've just done

730
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 3: like there have been a lot of things for me

731
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: that you've done when I didn't have friends.

732
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: You introduced me to your daughter, you know what I mean. Like,

733
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: there's so many things that's just great about you. Henry.

734
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: You are an amazing person, and I think you're an

735
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: amazing director also, And I.

736
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 4: You're the only one.

737
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 6: No, I'm not, No, I'm not.

738
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: I'm sure every actor that you've ever worked with is

739
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: like you. No, he's a fucking amazing director. Uh listen,

740
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: I hope you get another the chance to direct as

741
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: well too. Then if that's the case, because you listen, man,

742
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: nobody to this day, nobody has been.

743
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: Able to get through them to me the way you've

744
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: been able to get through to me.

745
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: Wow.

746
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: And and it was on a show that you know

747
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 3: was it was a kids show, but it was an

748
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: adult show. But you came in and you gave it

749
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: such life. And you're directing Tim Conway at the same time,

750
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: as as as as all I did.

751
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 4: With Tim Conway was point the camera in the right direction.

752
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 4: I mean, you know when you watch on either YouTube

753
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: or TikTok when they come up with those Harvey Korman Ye,

754
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 4: Tim Conway bits. I wish that I had half that

755
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 4: imagination when Tim Conway was the dentist. Yes, and he

756
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: kept on injecting himself from Milva game.

757
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: Yes.

758
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: And you haven't seen this, audience. You have to just

759
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: Tim Conway. You have to see the sketch from the

760
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: cawber Neet Show.

761
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 4: But it really is no joke. It is one of

762
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 4: the funniest things ever done anywhere.

763
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: Now I have to ask him, this is a bit

764
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: of a segue off Donald mentioning your children. I know

765
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: both of your children too, and they love you so much.

766
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: What is your secret to parenthooding? I mean, I've spoken,

767
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: I know Max a bit, and he just speaks about

768
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: you so lovingly. And you have any tips for parents

769
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: out there? How do you get your kids to love

770
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: you as much as you do?

771
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 4: Here is my overall tip. A heard child is a

772
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 4: powerful child. I grew up with two Germans who did

773
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 4: not see me. They didn't know why I wanted to

774
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 4: do what I do. They didn't care about what I

775
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: wanted to do. I did not have an opinion, and

776
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 4: I swore to my wife that I would be a

777
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: different parent. And when when your child comes three, they're

778
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: three years old, four years old, you're late, you can't

779
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: find your keys, you're going to a meeting. You go,

780
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: oh my god, I got dad, I Dad, and you

781
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 4: just stand there. I like green. Okay, I'm so glad

782
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: you said that, because we're going to discuss every shade

783
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: of green when I come back. I'm telling you it

784
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 4: took thirty seconds, forty five seconds. You know later you're

785
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: not more on time, and that child goes We're gonna

786
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 4: we're gonna talk about green. I'm telling you that is

787
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 4: the great umbrella. And then you know, see, if your

788
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 4: child has a problem, you don't know what it is,

789
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 4: you don't know the name, but you know there's something

790
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: going on, respect the problem and look for making that

791
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 4: child more comfortable. Chuse the child knows they've got a problem.

792
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: M Well, that's really that's really good advice. It's funny.

793
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: I know Max from your son because we both were

794
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: working out of the same office once and and he

795
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: was just the way he you know, I told him

796
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: how much I was a fan of yours and the

797
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: way he beams when he talks about you, and he's

798
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: a wonderful filmmaker himself, and I just it was just

799
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: so sweet that and I thought to myself, what I

800
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: wanted to just bring it up to you, because you know,

801
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: so many people have issues with their parents, and they

802
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: may love their parents, but their parents drive them crazy.

803
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: And I was just it was just notable to me

804
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: how how how enamored and in love and crazy about

805
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: you he was.

806
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 4: Well, I've got I've got three incredible children. My step

807
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 4: son came into my life when he was four, Zoe

808
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 4: and Max came along after that. Zoe just had an

809
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 4: event here in our front lawn for her charity called

810
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 4: this Is About Humanity. She was thirty seven sitting on

811
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 4: her couch watching children being separated from their parents. Said,

812
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 4: oh my goodness, those could be my children. With two

813
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 4: of the ladies started this organization. They've raised over two

814
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 4: million dollars with no overhead. Max said to me at

815
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 4: ten and sos Stacey, I'm going to be a director.

816
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 4: I took him to see Bottle Rocket by Wes Anderson.

817
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: I said, I'm going to do that. He just hired

818
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 4: me this past January. He's doing the American Horror Stories

819
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: and on the set he was the executive producer direct.

820
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 4: On the set, I asked for a cup of coffee

821
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: and the crew brought me a paper cup of coffee

822
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: and on it wrote Daddy Winkler, Oh my heart out of.

823
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: My body kewlling Kwelling as we said, not so sweet.

824
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: And he's really doing well. He's got a lot of

825
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: great projects and I'm so happy for him.

826
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 4: Let me just say he directed. I haven't met him,

827
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: but he directed hoavi Ar bard Dem and then Hoaviar

828
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: bard Dem just invited he and his wife to dinner.

829
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 4: I said, could I drive? Could I just the limo driver?

830
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 4: I'll wear a hat and everything.

831
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: That's funny.

832
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 2: Let's take a break.

833
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these fine words. All right,

834
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: because we have you for a limited time, we're going

835
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: to jump to arrested development. Yes I want to Yeah,

836
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: you go ahead.

837
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: You can say what you want to do you okay,

838
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: all right, but just let me just say one thing.

839
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: In between arrested development and the directing and uh, what

840
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 3: were you were raising family? You were you were being

841
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: a dad at home for that time. What made you

842
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: all of a sudden say you know what? Because when

843
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: we had you on Clueless, you didn't want to do

844
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: You didn't want to act on the show at all.

845
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: You were like no, no, no.

846
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: Even though they convinced you towards the end, like you're

847
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: in like a in the credits, you didn't want to

848
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: act in the show.

849
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 2: What convinced you to get back into acting again?

850
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: Somebody asked, really, I'm that Sandler.

851
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: You did a bunch of Sandler movies.

852
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 4: I did a Sandler movie. It was hard for me

853
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: to get an acting job. That's how I started writing

854
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 4: children's books. We just wrote our fortieth Oh my god,

855
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 4: children's books that fade out in October Detectives Duck of

856
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 4: volume two.

857
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: You write those?

858
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: You write it with Lynn.

859
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 4: Oliver, with my partner Lynn. We've written every book together

860
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 4: and it's amazing. I am. I thought I was stupid.

861
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 4: I can't read, And with Lynn I have written forty

862
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 4: children's Now, Wow.

863
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: That's amazing. That is amazing.

864
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: No, so oh gosh, I can interview you forever. But

865
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: my question is because Donald and I have faced this.

866
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: You know, we were on a popular show. Yeah, we're

867
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: neither one of us on the level of being Phonsie,

868
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: but but we definitely got known for being a type

869
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: you bet, which is don't get me wrong. The first

870
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: thought is, of course, we are so lucky, we are

871
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: so grateful, but you it is hard to I'm still

872
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: working on branching. I'm doing a tiny yarc on this

873
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: show called Bad Monkey, where I'm actually doing something one

874
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty degrees from JD and people are based

875
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: on Yeah, and it's so refreshing to get that opportunity.

876
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: And so I know I can imagine what you felt

877
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: because you were on lunchboxes. I mean, you were so

878
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: known as that guy do you.

879
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 4: Know Actually, when I had an office at Paramount, and

880
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 4: I sat in my office at my desk, and I

881
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 4: literally had psychic pain because I had no plan. B.

882
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: I had just.

883
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 4: Lived my imagination. Yeah, and now I can't get hired.

884
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 4: I had no idea what to do. And I realized

885
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 4: it is a great life lesson when you don't know

886
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 4: what to do. Just sit for a minute and let

887
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: it percolate, and all of a sudden it will come.

888
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: My lawyer, Skip Brittenham the Third said I know what

889
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 4: you're going to do. You're going to produce. I said,

890
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 4: I can't produce.

891
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 2: I know nothing.

892
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: He said, you'll learn. And the first show that I

893
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 4: heard all these ideas, I said, oh I like that idea.

894
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 4: I want to see that idea. The first show I

895
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 4: ever produced with a man named John Rich who's no

896
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 4: longer with us, was mcgiver.

897
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot you produced mcguiver. Wow. Yeah,

898
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: that was a big hit.

899
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 4: It was a huge hit.

900
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: It was such it's such a big hit that they

901
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: remade it.

902
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: He made it as a comedy, but.

903
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 3: No, they remade mcgiver as a television show too. Television show.

904
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: On Saturnight Live with macgoover right right.

905
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking you're right, I'm thinking mcgoober. But wow, wait,

906
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: sowet Sorry, Henry. The first thing you produced was mcgiver.

907
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 4: Yes, that was the first show. The second show was

908
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: the next hit that I was able to produce with

909
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: Anne Daniel was Sightings because I love the paranormal. I

910
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 4: just love that whole. I really think there's got to

911
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 4: be a whole other level that we're not privy to. Yeah,

912
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 4: but I agree with you, yeah, yeah, absolutely, But.

913
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: Do you say okay? So God, I'm sorry I cut you.

914
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: No, no, no. The second show was an amazingly funny

915
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 4: half hour comedy called Mister Sunshine, starring Jeff Tambour as

916
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 4: a blind English professor, and it was I mean, I

917
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 4: cannot even begin to tell you the writers that we got.

918
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 4: But that only lasted thirteen.

919
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: Episodes, so you never know, Yeah, you never know, You

920
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: never know. I mean, I I Donald and I have

921
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: both been on ten episode shows.

922
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: I've been on, Yeah, I've been on I've been on

923
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 3: an episode. Listen, I've been on the shows that only

924
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 3: lasted thirteen episodes.

925
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: And that was it.

926
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well mine, I think I beat you, Alex, think

927
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: only went ten.

928
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 2: No, you did more than that. You guys did like twelve.

929
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: No, we did ten, I think, but it was fun

930
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: more lasted.

931
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 3: I will say this, thank goodness that Hollywood at least

932
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: lets the thirteen still air because I remember, or you.

933
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: Get paid for the thirteen? Ouse I remember, you get canceled.

934
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: That's a rat.

935
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 4: Oh, Donald, I was. I did a show that I

936
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 4: turned down twice and it was written by Mark somebody Mark,

937
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: it'll come to me. He was in Gary Goldberg's camp,

938
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 4: you know, family ties, and he came to me with

939
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 4: this idea of a Rush Limbaugh with a gay daughter.

940
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: But it was in the eighties, and I said, no,

941
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 4: it's too controversial, but it is so funny. I've got

942
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 4: to say yes. And we sold it to NBC. Somebody

943
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 4: an NBC must have looked at it after it was

944
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 4: bought and said, not on my network. Now we're back

945
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 4: in the world. We sell it to Fox. They don't

946
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 4: want the gay daughter. So now it is David Schwimmer,

947
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 4: who is my son, who goes to college to be

948
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: a lawyer, comes back. He wants to be a chef.

949
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with the original, have nothing to

950
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: do with the gay or anything.

951
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 4: This is the life lesson when you're doing something and

952
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 4: it gets bastardized to where you don't recognize it anymore.

953
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 4: Go home.

954
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got used reminding me the funniest story from

955
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: the movie The TV Set. Have you ever seen that? No, Well, listeners,

956
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: and Henry, I want you to see this when we

957
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: call the TV Set. It's about the making of a pilot.

958
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: And it's so funny Henry because there's so many inside

959
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: jokes you'll you'll laugh at him. And David d'coveney plays

960
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: I think he's the showrunner of the of the of

961
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: the the creator of the show. And Sigourney Weaver plays

962
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: the studio head and she says, look, we want to

963
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: do the show, but we want to get rid of

964
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: the the suicide in the in the pilot, and David

965
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: du coveny says, the suicide is the whole reason I

966
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: wrote the show. The suicide is is the was the

967
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: raison deetra for for the whole pilot, and it's the

968
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: It's the whole reason that I'm sitting here in front

969
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: of you when the show is getting made is because

970
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: that started me. Because of this and and and I

971
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the suicide. And

972
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: there's a long pause and Sigourney Weaver goes, but what

973
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: if it wasn't? And to me, as somebody's in this industry,

974
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: it like summed up everything about the struggle of getting

975
00:54:59,440 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: stuff made.

976
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so true. I was offered a

977
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 4: show very funny, and I lost my wife, my daughter,

978
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 4: her mother, and the network said, it's so funny, we

979
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 4: really want to do it, but our audience doesn't like grief.

980
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

981
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 4: Wait what our audience does not do well with grief?

982
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all that's on television right now. Wait.

983
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: Wait, I don't understand what analytics. What analytics are they're

984
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 3: looking at at the time, I.

985
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: Don't know had another funny Well, I don't know. I've

986
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: just been doing pilots and stuff. You see the dial

987
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: testing and everything. It's so it's such a trippy, weird thing.

988
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: But wait, I want to leave time to talk. We

989
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: got to leave time to talk about two more mega hits.

990
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: So you basically got a cameo on Arrested Development and

991
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: then did ended up doing thirty two episodes. I mean,

992
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: did they how did they?

993
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: Did?

994
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: They just love the character and love what you were

995
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: doing so much.

996
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 4: That is exactly right. I just did what my instinct

997
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 4: told me to do, and Mitch Hurwitz kept writing me

998
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 4: and he is I have literally worked with such brilliant

999
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 4: human beings.

1000
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you really have some of the greatest.

1001
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 4: Am greatest handler. Yeah, Mitch Hurwitz, John Shure, uh, and

1002
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 4: then Bill Hater and Alec.

1003
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: Burg, Alec Berg. Yeah, yeah, you've really worked with You

1004
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: really have worked with some of the most legendary showrunners

1005
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: of all time.

1006
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 4: And then let's not forget Children's Hospital with that whole bunch.

1007
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: In the same set of scrubs.

1008
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: You guys, Oh my god, when what was your was arrested,

1009
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: you know, I did a cameo, I did a little

1010
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: thing on arrested, and I had so much fun. It

1011
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: felt like there was a lot of room for you

1012
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: guys to play around, right. It was that the environment

1013
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: that you could do.

1014
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 4: Some know what in structure comes freedom and you could

1015
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 4: play around. But when they heard that you were going

1016
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 4: too far adrift, they would put you right back.

1017
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1018
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: I had a thing where I was riffing with David

1019
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: Cross because we were both never nudes and we were

1020
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: both standing there in tattered jean shorts. Short shorts and

1021
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: David Cross. I just he was riffing the most insane,

1022
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: hilarious stuffs, none of which ended up in the show,

1023
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: by the way, I mean a tiny fraction of but

1024
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: I remember laughing so hard at this insane stuff he

1025
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: was saying, which I would have loved if it was

1026
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: in the show. But I'm sure Mitch was like, all right,

1027
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: let's trim all that back.

1028
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, Mitch was very very clear about his vision,

1029
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 4: and I mean that is the beginning and the end

1030
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 4: of a great showrunner. Yes, when they've got the vision

1031
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 4: and in that structure, you get to be free.

1032
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we've had that with Bill Lawrence. And I

1033
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: have to tell you, I'm I'm directing Shrinking now.

1034
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 4: And Mark Lawrence. Thank you Mark Lawrence versus the man

1035
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 4: who created the show. I did Monty about Rush Limbaugh

1036
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 4: and his gay daughter.

1037
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: Oh got it. I just wanted to say that we

1038
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: had that with Bill as actors. And it's funny when

1039
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm directing. I just directed Shrinking and I'm turning in

1040
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: my cut and I'm sitting there with Bill and you

1041
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: know it's his baby. You know, I'm I'm I'm directing it.

1042
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: But we have this little battle sometimes over over what's

1043
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: going to end up in the show and what's not

1044
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: going to end up in the show. But you're right.

1045
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: The brilliance of a great show runner is is someone

1046
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: like a Mitch Herwitz or or a Bill Lawrence or

1047
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: a Gary Marshall, who goes, I hear you, I see

1048
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: what your contribution was. I I love it, but it's

1049
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: here's my vision, and here's what it's going to be.

1050
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: Because for me, I would let for example, I would

1051
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: let my episode go long. Bill has a very clear vision.

1052
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: He does not like half hour comedies that go too long.

1053
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: So he's cutting things that I'm going, why are you

1054
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: cutting that? It's it's funny, it's nice. He's like, it's

1055
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: too long. Shows too long. And that's just a little

1056
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: minuscule example of like that. This is his baby, this

1057
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: is his vision. This is why he's brilliant at what

1058
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: he does.

1059
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, but you know what everybody else benefits

1060
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 4: from somebody having a real point of view. Yes, everybody,

1061
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 4: every member of the cast, the crew, the writer's everybody.

1062
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 4: It is essential. Yeah, you know, because I listen, I

1063
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 4: think I am so funny, I am so great. Oh

1064
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 4: my god, I just improvised, and then you realize, maybe

1065
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 4: I should just go back to the script and shut up.

1066
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, Yeah that Yeah.

1067
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 3: When that's when you real that, when you realize you've

1068
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 3: gone too far, it's it's it's a little embarrassing.

1069
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: And sometimes you're laughing. Sometimes sometimes you're just cracking up

1070
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: because it's new, and you know what, and you realize, like, hey,

1071
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: we laughed hard at the table, read it that joke,

1072
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: and now we're all just used to it, so it's

1073
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: not new, and now we think we're hilarious because we've

1074
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: improvised five other things. But you know what, really the

1075
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: best joke is the one that they wrote.

1076
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 3: The one that started with but weally said, so much

1077
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 3: time just now fucking around, guys, let's just go back

1078
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 3: to what was there.

1079
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 4: But Donald, I have to say, I'm gonna I can't

1080
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 4: let what you just said go. Okay, you can't be embarrassed.

1081
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you why. If you don't try, if

1082
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 4: you don't put it out there, you'll never know. Yeah,

1083
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 4: it might be amazing, but you can't know that unless

1084
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 4: you try it.

1085
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: It doesn't work.

1086
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 6: Hey, you go on.

1087
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: I think that's the best advice for actors that are listening, Like,

1088
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: the biggest thing of acting is getting back to when

1089
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Speaker 1: you were a kid and didn't have this embarrassment voice

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Speaker 1: in your head. It's getting back to being a little

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Speaker 1: kid who's silly and crazy and doesn't have that filter

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Speaker 1: because they don't want to be judged. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the best thing an acting class can give you.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you you cannot be embarrassed. There's no room

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Speaker 4: for it, and there's no purpose for it. You've got

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Speaker 4: to try your imagination and then if it doesn't work,

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Speaker 4: I tried.

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Speaker 1: This is the perfect segue. Because I'm such a good

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Speaker 1: podcast host doing.

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Speaker 3: Pretty well today, I'm not gonna lie the conversation between

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Speaker 3: you two.

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Speaker 1: Watch this one, Donald, watch this segue. You sound very

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Speaker 1: much to me right now, Henry like an acting teacher,

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Speaker 1: Which brings me to one of the finest uh pieces

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Speaker 1: of television I think in at least the last two decades,

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Speaker 1: Barry h you are so phenomenal on the show. You've

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Speaker 1: got an I mean sitting behind you for it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: How did that come about? How did you get it?

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Speaker 1: How did you become part of this universe?

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Speaker 4: Three things? I got a call that Bill Hayter and

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Speaker 4: HBO would like to meet you. I thought, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 4: I'd never worked for HBO and I watched Bill Hayter

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Speaker 4: every Saturday night on Saturday Night Live. This is amazing.

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Speaker 4: They said, you're on a short list. I said, is

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Speaker 4: Dustin Hoffman on that list? Because if he is, I'm

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Speaker 4: not going in. They said no, they sent me the script.

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Speaker 4: Max was here. I gave him the script. He's now

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Speaker 4: directing me from my audition.

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Speaker 2: Amazing. I go in.

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Speaker 4: Things go, I meet Bill, I meet Alec. They asked

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Speaker 4: me to be in it, and I'm telling you it

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Speaker 4: was all I did was try and fill the vision

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Speaker 4: of those two guys, and it was, oh my, what

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Speaker 4: a journey. And I have to tell you I love

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Speaker 4: teaching and I only do it once a year. At

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Speaker 4: the Vulture Festival, which will be in November. They hold

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Speaker 4: a Vulture right here in La the Vulture Festival, and

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Speaker 4: I go and I hold an acting class and people come.

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Speaker 1: They know, they do know what I'm saying. It's funny

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Speaker 1: that you know. Obviously you're playing such a such a character,

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Speaker 1: and I loved you on the show. But there's there's

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Speaker 1: moments where I as I get talked to you where

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Speaker 1: I see your personality and especially when you when you're

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Speaker 1: giving life advice come out of it. Did they know

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Speaker 1: anything about you when they created this character or did

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Speaker 1: It's probably, like I'm guessing with Donald and I were.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like Bill began to morph and shape the

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Speaker 1: character around.

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Speaker 4: I think that's true. They morphed and shaped the character.

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Speaker 4: I was supposed to be just a hard ass asshole,

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Speaker 4: and they went, oh, yeah, he could be, you know,

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Speaker 4: like a human a little bit. Yeah, And so yes,

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Speaker 4: they they had a vision and in that vision they

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Speaker 4: wrote to me, yeah, and then let me tell you

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Speaker 4: toward the end, it got so dark on this comedy

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Speaker 4: that I had to buy a miner's hat with a

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Speaker 4: lamp so I could see where we were going.

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Speaker 1: It was so brilliant. If you haven't watched Barry, please

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Speaker 1: watch Barry, especially if you're a Scrubs fan. I really

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Speaker 1: think that you'll like it. I think Bill Hayter did

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Speaker 1: something I love so much, which is and I think

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Speaker 1: that we aspired to do on Scrubs, which was take

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Speaker 1: the take, single camera comedy, directing to a to a

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Speaker 1: higher level. And man, did he raise the bar on

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Speaker 1: on on direction of a half hour comedy.

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Speaker 4: But I'll tell you something again. You know you can't

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Speaker 4: throw the word around, but there is brilliance in that

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Speaker 4: young man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that is Oh, it's it's so clear. Is so clear? Man? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That that that that I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 3: Bill Hayter is a very very just character work. All

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Speaker 3: of that stuff. He's just very unique man.

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Speaker 2: And then the fact that he can turn shows like

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Speaker 2: that are kind of dramatic to me. But when you

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Speaker 2: can turn a drama into a drama y and start

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Speaker 2: winning comedy.

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Speaker 3: Awards, I think you really really you know, you're touching

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Speaker 3: something like that's hard to do. Leaning into the joke

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Speaker 3: is easy freaking telling a joke and people getting it

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Speaker 3: in the style that you're trying to tell it. Also,

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Speaker 3: telling a joke in a different style is like to

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Speaker 3: be I don't know, man, I could be loud and

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Speaker 3: get laughs.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of hard for me to be soft and

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Speaker 2: quiet and be like this and talk natural and and

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Speaker 2: and get a laugh.

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Speaker 3: There's it's just there's so many there's so many levels

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Speaker 3: to it. And this was one of those shows where

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Speaker 3: ye what.

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Speaker 4: It is Donald, you have you trust, you see the

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Speaker 4: person in front of you, you see the two people

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Speaker 4: in front of you, and then you just trust and

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Speaker 4: you give yourself over to the process. Halfway through the

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Speaker 4: fourth year, because there are only four seasons, Bill said, hey,

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Speaker 4: I want to know how it ends, and I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to tell you because there might be somebody in

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Speaker 4: your audience who hasn't do it. But I went in

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Speaker 4: the corner and shook for a while.

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Speaker 1: All I mean I had to tell you just from

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Speaker 1: your performance was just magical. The leading lady, Sarah Goldberg

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Speaker 1: has there's a few times where he does she does

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Speaker 1: a monologue as a woner that ever cuts off of

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Speaker 1: her face. I think Bill did it a few times

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Speaker 1: and it's just unbelievable her performance and just really really

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Speaker 1: just an incredible, incredible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's on industry now that show industry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to check that out.

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Speaker 4: Caring about that is a hard show.

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Speaker 1: I want to check that out.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Let's just end on. Uh you post pictures of your fishing?

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01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: Are you're an avid? You're an avid fisherman?

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Speaker 4: Uh? I love it more than I continue.

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Speaker 1: Really, which style do you do?

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Speaker 2: We do well?

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Speaker 4: I've done a lot deep sea fishing. I vomit. Bass

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Speaker 4: fishing is you catch it, you wheel it in. Trout

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Speaker 4: fishing is like zen. It's like a washing machine for

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Speaker 4: your brain. You have to be in tune with the fish.

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Speaker 4: You cannot worry about one other thing that is happening

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Speaker 4: to you in the world. And my wife is a

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Speaker 4: great fisher person. I don't show pictures of my wife's fish.

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Speaker 4: Christ there usually bigger.

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Speaker 1: How did you learn? How did you get into it?

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Speaker 4: Skip Brittenham the Third took me and Stacy down the

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Speaker 4: Smith River in Montana with an outfit where you float

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Speaker 4: all day, you sleep out under the stars, and for

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Speaker 4: five days you fish.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And I didn't catch much, but no pun intended. I

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Speaker 4: was hooked. And so since the middle eighties, Stacy and

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Speaker 4: I have gone every year to fly fish for trout. Yeah. You.

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Speaker 3: Sam Jenkins talked a lot about fly fishing. He really

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Speaker 3: enjoyed fly fishing. He really enjoys fly fishing. Oh, oh

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Speaker 3: my god, he might talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Kimmel is a big fisherman. Michael Keaton is a

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Speaker 4: big fisherman.

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Speaker 1: And this is fly fishing.

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Speaker 4: This is fly fishing exclusively.

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Speaker 1: I only know it from the movie A River runs

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Speaker 1: through it.

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Speaker 4: You are in that place, You are hearing that water,

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Speaker 4: you are catching those fish. You take a picture, you

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Speaker 4: put it back, you catch him next year.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so sweet, and you could also feel like

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Speaker 2: your Brad Pitt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, well you know from the face down.

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Speaker 1: Well, Henry, we want to thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: There must be.

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Speaker 4: There must be men on this planet that are just

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Speaker 4: so ugly they don't leave home. Because Brad got all

1243
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Speaker 4: the good looking.

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01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 2: He's just so handsome man. We got to meet him.

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: I got lost in his eyes recently.

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01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 2: And I found myself when we're leaving, like, have a hug.

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Speaker 4: I mean I did with Brad. I'm so sorry to

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 4: interrupt you, but we're I had an award show. There's

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01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 4: Brad Pitt in this long flowing cashmere coat and I

1250
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 4: said to him everything that is it, don't move. I

1251
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 4: just have to get my wife. And I got my

1252
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 4: wife and took a picture of those two together.

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01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: It's funny. We were walking. Donald and I were walking

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: at F one in Vegas, and I told him we're

1255
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: going to meet Brad Pitt. Act cool, and he goes,

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01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: how much take a selfie? I go, don't take a selfie.

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01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:29,759
Speaker 1: He goes, I can't take a selfie.

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Speaker 4: I go do not.

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01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: We're supposed to act cool. We're supposed to act like

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01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: we always hang out with David Fincher and Brad Pitt. Anyway, Henry,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. We really do

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01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Wow, I really I want him to be

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01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: my father. I kept thinking of my dad and that

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01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: was my dad the whole time.

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 2: Wow, he's a great man. What a man.

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01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: My dad was increble man. But didn't didn't didn't he

1267
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: wasn't He like the father that you want in your life.

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01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the most Look I.

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Speaker 2: Kept telling y'all in the beginning. He's like a mentor

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Speaker 2: to me.

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01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 3: And I don't think he knows it everything I said

1272
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 3: with every insecurity, I had everything.

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01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 2: Donald, hold up, let's go back.

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01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it.

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01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: Let's let's address this. I love him, you know what

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01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, he's just such a great person.

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Speaker 3: He's just he's one of those people that you know

1278
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 3: and and and you know, we don't know what what

1279
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 3: what dwells deep dark in his heart, but there's got

1280
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: to be so much love.

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01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: But he seems to have it all, you know, he

1282
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: seems to have it all because he's and when I

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01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: say have it all, I don't mean the career success,

1284
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: although he's had that. I just mean he seems so

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01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: fulfilled in his life with his family and with his

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01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: fishing and his children's books. He just seems like like

1287
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: he seems what I aspire to be, which is like

1288
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: present and joyful and yeah, your career will have highs

1289
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: and lows and and things will happen. But he's got

1290
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: the love of this family and him he and his

1291
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: wife go fishing together. I mean, it just seems like

1292
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: the dreamiest person.

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01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, it seems like he's living the dream. Yeah.

1294
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 3: But he also said something that was really important though.

1295
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 3: It's because he's grateful.

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01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: Yep. That's when he started the whole gracious. Yeah, we

1297
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: need to work on that, you and me.

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, gracious do we try.

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Speaker 1: I do it every night I go to bed. I

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01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 1: I do have the ritual of saying that. I learned

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01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: saying one, am I grateful for that happened today. I've

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01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: been doing. I've been doing okay at that. It's just

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01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: that when bad, when annoying things happen, or things that

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Speaker 1: are frustrating, or I get depressed about something, I I

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01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: He's right. It's the best thing to do is switch

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01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: to gratitude and switch to how lucky we are.

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01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: Because we forget, because we forget.

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01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: And that's everybody, everybody listening, we all, we all. I'm

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: sure everybody listening can relate that we have so much

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01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: to be grateful for. And I'm grateful for you. Joelle

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Speaker 1: and DJ Daniel.

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Speaker 2: He called Joel, Joel and Daniel DJ all right, DJ

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Speaker 2: DJ Joel.

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01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: The audience I'm not watching on YouTube didn't see that.

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01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: He did that whole interview with a ball or Emmy

1316
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 1: sitting right beside him for Barry.

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Speaker 2: That's how you do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, if I ever win an Emmy,

1319
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna go right in the grammy.

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01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: Why don't you freaking put the grammy.

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01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: Up so the grammy doesn't feel Does he feel?

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Speaker 4: What? Well?

1323
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel relevant?

1324
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 2: What fucker? You got part of the ego?

1325
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: I did get the one, you got the you got

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: the I got the girl, you.

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: Got the.

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Speaker 6: Stories. I'm not so we made about a bunch of

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Speaker 6: dogs and nurses, he said, he's the stories.

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Speaker 4: So gather.

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Speaker 6: Yead air hops. But we watch always acted

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Speaker 4: M h