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Speaker 1: I am very pleased today to be joined by my

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Speaker 1: very good friend Maria Shriver, who is an exceptional person

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Speaker 1: in more ways than one. I always tell people when

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Speaker 1: they ask me, who are the most exceptional people you've

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Speaker 1: met in your career? Maria is always at the top

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Speaker 1: of my list, one of the I always say ten

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Speaker 1: smartest people, hands down. I've ever met a brilliant person,

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Speaker 1: kind person, and someone who has a very optimistic and

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Speaker 1: unique perspective I think in a very troubled time. And

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Speaker 1: your Sunday paper, which is read by me and hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands each Sunday, you had a column which really

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Speaker 1: struck me because you use the phrase that I use

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Speaker 1: a lot, and I'm very aware of people using around

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Speaker 1: me all the time, and it was not a phrase

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Speaker 1: that I have any consciousness really of living with, thinking

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Speaker 1: about even five years ago or ten years ago, and

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Speaker 1: it's not colloquial to my childhood, to my region, and

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Speaker 1: the phrases it's a lot. And the notion of your

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Speaker 1: piece is that there are all over America people dealing

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Speaker 1: with a multitude of difficult issues and that there's this

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Speaker 1: consensus in so many people around it's a lot. What

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Speaker 1: does that mean? It's a lot?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, before I answer that, Steve, let me just

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Speaker 2: say first, I'm happy to be here, but I want

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Speaker 2: to know who the other nine people are on the

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Speaker 2: ten that you said. I'm one of the ten smartest people.

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Speaker 2: So who are the other time I want, I.

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Speaker 1: Will say, I will, I will tell you the people

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Speaker 1: that I always say that just immediately as I as

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Speaker 1: I flesh this out, because you know, I've met I've

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Speaker 1: met a lot of people in my in my career,

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Speaker 1: in life. You are you are, hands down on that list.

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Speaker 1: I put the Chief Justice John roberts Is immediately, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of comes to mind on that on that list,

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Speaker 1: and there are a handful of other people. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not on the list, Maria, but I'm smart

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Speaker 1: enough not to try to name that list of people,

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Speaker 1: particularly in front of one of the ten people.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So do you are there any qualities they get

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Speaker 2: you on the list and get you off the list.

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Speaker 1: Are there anything I do say I do say all

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Speaker 1: the time, is that you have a way of seeing

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Speaker 1: the world that is unique, that is broad and visionary.

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I've worked with all the

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Speaker 1: best political consultants, certainly in the Republican Party. I was

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Speaker 1: involved in democratic politics per se through the Lincoln Project.

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Speaker 1: I know all the democratic strategists. I you know, ran

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Speaker 1: a political campaign with you, and it would not have

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Speaker 1: won without you. And you're a brilliant political strategist, one

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Speaker 1: of the very finest, you know, I've ever known. But

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Speaker 1: more broadly than that, I think in the culture, what

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Speaker 1: you appreciate is that politics is downrange, down river from

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Speaker 1: our culture, and that we talk about politics as if

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Speaker 1: it's on an island and isolated apart from or the headwaters.

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Speaker 1: And it's not. And it's such an obvious and intuitive thing.

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Speaker 1: But most people are completely divorced from this. You're not. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've always thought that that makes you really unique in

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Speaker 1: the constellation of people that you sit around at table

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Speaker 1: message be to a state of forty million people or

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Speaker 1: to a nation of three hundred and thirty million people.

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Speaker 1: Is the entire premise that there's common interest a fallacy,

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Speaker 1: Is it an illusion? Is it a dellusion? And I

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Speaker 1: think that the ability to find common interest through a

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Speaker 1: set of values without anger, rancor or judgmentalism is an

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Speaker 1: exceptional skill. And for example, when you were First Lady

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Speaker 1: in California or your women's conferences, were these enormous events,

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Speaker 1: overflowing and thousands of people wanting to go to these

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Speaker 1: and it was because you were able to inspire. And

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Speaker 1: it's a rare quality to see any person you know

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Speaker 1: do that, but to see a friend do it up close,

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Speaker 1: it's a real part of so that I have a

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Speaker 1: lot of gratitude for in my life.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve. And well, as you well know, I

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Speaker 2: grew up in a political family, and so I was

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Speaker 2: then went into journalism and so covered politics from a

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Speaker 2: different point of view. But I've always felt that there

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Speaker 2: actually is a lot that brings us together that we

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Speaker 2: do have in common. And I've spent a lot of

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Speaker 2: time talking about the American family, about women in particular,

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Speaker 2: women who work, women who provide, women who take care

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Speaker 2: work structure, how does government deal with that, how do

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Speaker 2: workplaces deal with that? How do we talk about this

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Speaker 2: whole part of the population in a different way than

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Speaker 2: we'd been talking about it in the past. That's something

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Speaker 2: that was very important to me as first Lady of California,

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Speaker 2: because California has more women in it than any other state,

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Speaker 2: women who are providing partnering, and certainly as an Alzheimer's advocate,

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Speaker 2: I've seen millions of people in the caregiving space that

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Speaker 2: of issues that I don't think a lot of political

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Speaker 2: leaders are talking about. I don't see a lot of

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Speaker 2: political leaders talking about the caregiving crisis in our country today.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's something that brings people of all

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Speaker 2: political parties together, all walks of life together, because everybody's

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Speaker 2: dealing with how do we care for aging parents? How

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Speaker 2: do we what are our character what is our character

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Speaker 2: around that? What are our values around that? How do

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Speaker 2: we raise up a generation that wants to care for

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Speaker 2: aging parents? So I think there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: things that we do have in common that where politics is,

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Speaker 2: you know, not in the conversation, but as a means

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Speaker 2: by how we can make the conversation better. So at

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Speaker 2: my dinner table, there are people of different political persuasions

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Speaker 2: who talk about gun reform, who talk about immigration, who

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Speaker 2: talk about caregiving, who talk about child rearing, who talk

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Speaker 2: about flexible work hours, who talk about wanting to learn

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Speaker 2: how to converse in a calm, compassionate way, who talk

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Speaker 2: about having a lot on their plate, but also wanting

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Speaker 2: to be the kinds of people that bring about change

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Speaker 2: in a positive way in our country. And I think

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Speaker 2: I think people from what I've been able to kind

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Speaker 2: of here in the zeitgeists, people want leaders that raise

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Speaker 2: them up, that point to where we're going in an

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Speaker 2: aspirational way, that use language that brings people together. That's realistic,

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Speaker 2: but that's not about just attacking one another. But that's

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Speaker 2: about finding things that we have in common. And I

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Speaker 2: do believe we have so much more in common than

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Speaker 2: we're led to believe.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think they're such a polarization in the

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Speaker 1: when one is obviously so much better than the other.

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Speaker 1: Right for the future of our children, our grandchildren. I

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Speaker 1: was always struck by John Lewis. He said, you know,

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Speaker 1: do you think about that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people don't feel we're

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Speaker 2: in the same boat. They think like, well, what boat

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Speaker 2: John Lewis, And I'm not in the same boat as

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Speaker 2: Maria Schreiver or Steve Schmidt. And then I think when

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Speaker 2: you kind of one thing I've learned through therapy is

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Speaker 2: to ask people okay, well tell me more about why

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Speaker 2: you feel like that, and then to keep going beneath

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Speaker 2: the layer of the conversation. And that I find that

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Speaker 2: when we get below all of that, people go, oh,

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that we actually kind of are in

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Speaker 2: the same boat. But I think kind of backing up,

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Speaker 2: how we got where we are is a long story.

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Speaker 2: I think the media has played a role in that.

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Speaker 2: I think politics has always been about the fight. It

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Speaker 2: has been negative, it has been you know, ugly in

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Speaker 2: many ways for a really long time. And I think

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Speaker 2: that's what when people think about politics, they think about that.

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Speaker 2: They think about people yelling at each other, attacking each other,

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Speaker 2: negative ops about each other. They think about how to

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Speaker 2: worst possible light. And I think we've got to change that.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, political strategists have to be a

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Speaker 2: part of changing that. I think social media has played

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Speaker 2: a role in letting the negativity rise to the top.

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Speaker 2: People talking to each other on social media in ways

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Speaker 2: I grew up at a table when people sat at

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Speaker 2: worked in Republican politics. She was an avid Democrat. My

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Speaker 2: dad was very religious. They had people from all different faiths,

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Speaker 2: and people were respectful the way they spoke to one another.

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Speaker 2: There was never name calling. It was just unheard of

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Speaker 2: So I sound kind of old fashioned saying that people

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Speaker 2: and I think it goes out from there. It's a

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Speaker 2: much deeper conversation. I know the algorithm rewards the kind

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Speaker 2: that people feel coming back to your original question, Look,

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Speaker 2: I've got a lot on my plate. I'm taking care

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Speaker 2: mental health struggles. There. I'm dealing with maybe one or

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on, and people aren't brought up.

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Speaker 2: They don't feel hopeful when they turn on the news

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Speaker 2: feel despondent, who feel hopeless, who feel really I think unseen,

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Speaker 2: uncared for and undervalued, and that's certainly been a large

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Speaker 2: part of the conversations I've had with women over many decades,

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Speaker 2: and I think, how do we let people know that

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Speaker 2: that they're cared for. These are very I think humanistic conversations,

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Speaker 2: and that we understand that they're dealing with a lot,

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Speaker 2: and the role of government is to help them feel

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Speaker 2: that it's going to be okay, that they are seeing

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Speaker 2: that their future will be better, that there are people

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Speaker 2: in there of both parties who want to work to

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Speaker 2: help them. I don't think that's the feeling in our

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Speaker 1: Do you think that when you look at the totality

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Speaker 1: of everything, where the where the country is at right

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Speaker 1: now in that spirit, that people have made a judgment

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Speaker 1: and they have simply turned off listening to institutions that

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Speaker 1: How do you do that?

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Speaker 2: And that came from my mother and also from my father.

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Speaker 1: How important is service and purpose towards the achievement of happiness?

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Speaker 2: for quite some time. So you try to achieve in

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Speaker 2: your own way something you think is similar to that

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Speaker 2: until you step back and go, like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: not here to be a sequel. I'm here to carve

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Speaker 2: out my own authentic life. I'm here to honor perhaps

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Speaker 2: what was done before me, to honor my own family's

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Speaker 2: work if I believe in that the work they did

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Speaker 2: was admirable. But I'm here to live out something original.

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Speaker 2: I'm here to carve out my own authentic path. And

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Speaker 2: that means you don't know where that's going, and that

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Speaker 2: means that you know you've you've got to do that

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Speaker 2: on an internal level so that when you look in

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Speaker 2: the mirror, you like that person, you admire that person,

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Speaker 2: you respect that person, and so you have to make

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Speaker 2: choices right along the way that you know strengthen that.

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Speaker 2: And you can look in the mirror and go, I

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Speaker 2: don't like that person, and you've got to pivot right.

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Speaker 2: And so I think then if you're pivoting, you're going

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Speaker 2: to have to ask for help because you don't know

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Speaker 2: where you're going. You're like in the forest. So I

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Speaker 2: have found asking for help has been a relief because

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Speaker 2: I would go like, I don't know where I'm going.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know do I go to the left

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Speaker 2: or the right? Can you help me? People are like, sure,

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Speaker 2: let me help you, or tell me what you need.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of the times we don't even know

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Speaker 2: what we need. We just maybe need somebody to listen

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Speaker 2: to us, or to walk alongside us shoulder to shoulder

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Speaker 2: and say nothing. We just need support. Sometimes when people

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Speaker 2: say like what do you need, we go like I don't. Oh,

462
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Speaker 2: And then when someone says that to me, I go,

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Speaker 2: let's just walk. Let's just walk. And I think that

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Speaker 2: that's why sometimes when people I find are like screen,

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Speaker 2: Like if I have a kid who's like yelling at

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Speaker 2: me or something, I'm like, what are we actually? What

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00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: is this about? It's about what I just told you.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's not. Let's sit back and like

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Speaker 2: what is what's underneath the here? Tell me more? Why

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Speaker 2: are you mad? I don't ever have a parking space here,

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00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: I never had occupation, never value. I'm like, okay, let's

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00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: talk about that as opposed to you can't get in

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Speaker 2: the garage. You know. It's always That's what I've learned

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Speaker 2: also through that it's always about something other than what

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Speaker 2: people are fighting about. And I think that's true in

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Speaker 2: politics too. You know, everybody's fighting about this, but what

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Speaker 2: are we really fighting about? What are we really fighting about?

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Speaker 1: people who know you, at the core of your identity

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Speaker 1: is Maria de Mo. You've talked about your cable, and

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Speaker 1: as someone who's been to your cable, that's an important

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Speaker 1: place for you. People gather there, they eat, there, they laugh, there,

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Speaker 1: they discussed, They debate things there and at a table.

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Speaker 1: You raised two daughters and two sons, and so you

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Speaker 1: have a perspective on both daughters and sons. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of talk about a crisis in our men in America.

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Speaker 1: There is a massive suicide epidemic amongst middle aged men,

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Speaker 1: which apparently is classified information against the coverage it receives

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Speaker 1: generally speaking in the news media. What is going on?

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Speaker 1: How do you have a healthy sostetnciety with so many

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Speaker 1: men who feel displaced and broken, and it's about to

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Speaker 1: get a lot worse very fast, at this advent of

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Speaker 1: the age of artificial intelligence, where, for example, I just

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Speaker 1: said to my daughter twenty years old going into sophomore

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Speaker 1: year at college, whatever it is you're going to do,

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Speaker 1: and she loves the music business, I urge you to

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Speaker 1: do that because no one's going to pay tickets to

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Speaker 1: go see the robots sing the song. And you're going

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Speaker 1: to need to have jobs that have some human connection.

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Speaker 1: And so so many men who drive, who build to

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Speaker 1: do things, who don't view themselves as disposable, are treat

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Speaker 1: it is disposable. In a society at the edge of

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Speaker 1: edge of change. What do we do about that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we have to talk about it. I

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Speaker 2: think we have to assure, whether it's men, women, transgender people,

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Speaker 2: gay people, you name it, that no one is disposable.

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Speaker 2: I think we started that place. I think people feel

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Speaker 2: it comes back to I think so many people feel

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Speaker 2: invisible in our culture, in our society, in their lives.

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Speaker 2: So many people have not been brought up with love,

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Speaker 2: have not been brought up at the dinner table. I

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Speaker 2: can't tell you the number of people who come to

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Speaker 2: my table and say, I have never been to a

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Speaker 2: table like this. I don't have family dinners like this.

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Speaker 2: I did not grow up like this. I've never had this.

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Speaker 2: And from all walks of life, I hear that almost

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Speaker 2: every week, to the tune of like it's take your

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Speaker 2: breath away. So I think I think we have to.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've tried to do several stories in the

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Speaker 2: Sunday paper, and at first people are like, why are

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Speaker 2: we doing men? What is that? You know? Men had

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Speaker 2: their moment. I'm like, men are human beings. I have

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Speaker 2: two boys, I have four brothers. I love men right,

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Speaker 2: and so I don't see women's empowerment as something that

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Speaker 2: doesn't involve men. I see the table I want men,

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Speaker 2: I want gay people, I want straight people. I want black, White, Latino, Asian,

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Speaker 2: you name it, Native American. At my table. That's an

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Speaker 2: inclusive table. That's the kind of leadership, emotional and strong

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Speaker 2: that I think we all want. We want that from men,

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Speaker 2: and we want that from women. So I think laying now,

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Speaker 2: I think just since we first talked about the men

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Speaker 2: and boys, there's a lot more news now about what

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Speaker 2: has happened to men, About thea of despair, the depression

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Speaker 2: amongst young boys and men, the lack of the role

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Speaker 2: of fathers, the amount of families being raised today by

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Speaker 2: single mothers. Where do men get their role models? Coaches?

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Speaker 2: Why there are so many female teachers. How do we

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Speaker 2: get more men to teach so that young boys who

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Speaker 2: come into school see right away a man who's also

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Speaker 2: there as a teacher. Right rights of passage. We don't

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Speaker 2: have that in this country. Other cultures do. I have

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Speaker 2: a nephew who's doing a lot of work in the

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Speaker 2: rights of passage space for young men. Young men are

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Speaker 2: in search of mentors, they are in search of role models.

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Speaker 2: We talk a lot at my table about what does

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Speaker 2: it mean to be a good man, what does it

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Speaker 2: mean to be a successful man today. And there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of different conversations going on in that around that

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Speaker 2: what is a good man today? And somebody will say, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, my mom may tell me this, my dad

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Speaker 2: may tell me that, society tells me this. There's no clear,

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Speaker 2: I think answer to that question that young boys in

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Speaker 2: particular can land on. There's a lot of fear. I

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Speaker 2: have a lot of twenty something year old boys at

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Speaker 2: my table are like, you know, I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: be able to afford to raise a family. I don't

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Speaker 2: have a job that will allow me to buy a

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Speaker 2: house like my father or my grandfather. So I think

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Speaker 2: this is a multi layered conversation that talks about, you know,

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Speaker 2: how do we treat the opposite sex, what is success?

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Speaker 2: What kind of a person is standing in front of you,

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Speaker 2: and therefore what kind of a future do they have

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Speaker 2: the role of vocational training versus you know, just regular

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Speaker 2: college honoring and valuing people that deserve our honor and

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Speaker 2: valuing they don't get it just because of the sex

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Speaker 2: they are, but about the human being that they are.

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Speaker 2: And so I think that we need to kind of

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Speaker 2: openly talk about that conversation. Richard Reeves was over at

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Speaker 2: my house with our good friend Tim Ryan, and we

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00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: were talking about this very subject, and he's going to

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Speaker 2: start at Institute for Boys and Men, and he was

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Speaker 2: saying how fraught and how complicated this subject is for

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Speaker 2: women and for men, and that many people who are

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Speaker 2: having it are speaking exclusively to women, and that some

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Speaker 2: men are having it talking exclusively to men and saying

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Speaker 2: certain things that women might not agree with. So I

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Speaker 2: think kind of bringing it out into the open, recognizing

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Speaker 2: we have an issue. We have a problem, whether it's

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Speaker 2: deaths of despair, whether it's addiction, whether it's porn, whether

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Speaker 2: it's video games, whatever it is, let's bring people to

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Speaker 2: the table. Let's say we have an issue, we have

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Speaker 2: a problem, and what is the road forward for young men,

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Speaker 2: for middle aged men, for older men, and how can

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Speaker 2: we all the different sexes come together to realize that

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Speaker 2: having that conversation should not be fraught with like you

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Speaker 2: can't help them because they didn't help us, And how

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Speaker 2: we can get to a calm place and saying, well,

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Speaker 2: if women are doing well, is it not okay for

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Speaker 2: men also to do well? And vice versa.

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Speaker 1: There is a online influencer who's been charged with human

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Speaker 1: trafficking and all manner of criminal offenses named Andrew Tate

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Speaker 1: huge presence online, And what do you say to a

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Speaker 1: young man out there? See advice to the parents where

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Speaker 1: you The way that I talk to my son about

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Speaker 1: it is very directly like a New Jersey dad would. Right,

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Speaker 1: Even though I don't live, I.

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Speaker 2: Can talk to a son about Andrew Tate differently than

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Speaker 2: I could do.

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Speaker 1: Right, I say that guy's a shithead, He's a scumbag.

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Speaker 1: Don't be like him. I think there's an absence of well,

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Speaker 1: I think there's an absence of kind of masculine, decisive

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Speaker 1: calling that guy out for what he is in the society. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: when I grew up, all the men around me would

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Speaker 1: have said some version of that. But what is the

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Speaker 1: more soulful expression of that? Right, two men, right from

619
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Speaker 1: the way you see the world to reject right the toxic,

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Speaker 1: misogynistic stewart that has sprung up in response to I

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Speaker 1: suspect to Me Too movement, an emphasis on women's empowerment

622
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Speaker 1: over these last couple of years. Anytime there's progress, there

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Speaker 1: will always be a backlash. You have alienated young men

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Speaker 1: who hear these messages filled with grievance, filled with anger,

625
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Speaker 1: filled with cynicism, filled with resentment, filled with an entitlement

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Speaker 1: right to take right because you're aggrieved. What do you

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Speaker 1: want to say to young men who kind of hear

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Speaker 1: that that sirens song right, that says society has taken

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Speaker 1: all of this from you, which is what Andrew Tates says,

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Speaker 1: And you're entitled to these things, which is never true

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Speaker 1: and was never true. And Stu's grievance and anger, What

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Speaker 1: is the what is the answer to that? It seems

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Speaker 1: to me there has to be some articulation of better

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Speaker 1: that's values based. And it's very hard to articulate better

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Speaker 1: that's values based in a society that won't let you

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Speaker 1: talk about values.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I see a lot of young men

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Speaker 2: at my TA. They're not talking about Andrew Tape so

639
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Speaker 2: and I'm not talking about him either, And I don't

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Speaker 2: think a young man probably would come to me about

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Speaker 2: him anyway.

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Speaker 1: Carlson or a Ben Shakira.

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Speaker 2: That I know about the positive role models that are

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Speaker 2: around them. I think many young men really admire their fathers,

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Speaker 2: if they have a father in their life. They admire

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Speaker 2: their coaches, they admire their teachers they admire. You know,

647
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: I have more faith in young men that they admire

648
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: people doing really good things. I you know, I said,

649
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know thousands of young men volunteering

650
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: at special Olympics. I never heard one word about Andrew Tate.

651
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: I heard everything about Look at that kid's father. These

652
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: people drove, you know, from this country to that country.

653
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: They put you know, the neighbors put them up. These people,

654
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: you know, open their houses. That's where I stay focused.

655
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: That's where I stay over here, and you know, to

656
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: keep looking at Wow, look at that man over there.

657
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: What an inspiration he is? What is he doing? What

658
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: is how is he changing his community? How is he

659
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: helping young people? How is he? You know? One of

660
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: my son's greatest you know, the people he admired most

661
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: coming up was his football coach at school. He really

662
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 2: admired his football coach. He admired the guy who helped

663
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: him with math tutoring. He admired a guy who taught

664
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: him how to swim, who took him surfing on the weekend.

665
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: These were the men that he was talking about trying

666
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: to spend time with. He talked about guys who worked

667
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: as camp counselors. So I you know, I mean, you.

668
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Speaker 1: Know, I the values, what are the values within those men?

669
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: Because the dichotomy we're talking about here between Andrew Tate

670
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: and all of these people as they exist in a

671
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: world that I think, and I know and I feel

672
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: as a parent is very real, very present. For a

673
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: long time, I think a lot of parents said, well,

674
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: this isn't real world that goes on in the phone

675
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: screen or on the phone screen, But it is real world.

676
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: It's just happening in a digital space. The Special Olympics

677
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: is absolutely happening in the real world, in a physical space,

678
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: not in a digital space, preferable to the other. And

679
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: I think that for me, at age fifty two, whatever

680
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: age you were, that was perfectly aligned to be like

681
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: literally the first people to hand an iPad to like

682
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: a toddler or an infant. Right, I'm that age, And

683
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: we did right. You know, we gave the kids these machines,

684
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: these phones, we let them play on it. And now

685
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: we've seen the impact of social media with the benefit

686
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: of I guess a generation almost Do you have any

687
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: takeaways from what the impact on society has been on connection,

688
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: how it's driven some of the issues that were that

689
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about. If we could go back right to

690
00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: twenty ten and say, all this stuff is great, right,

691
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 1: you can move it with your finger, but but right

692
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna change society in some some significant ways.

693
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: And you ought to think about those What what would

694
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: those have been to you looking back on them when

695
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: you think about the impact of coursoning all from a

696
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: from a basis now of all of these issues, because

697
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: I know as a parent, the impact of the phone

698
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: the instagram on the kid, I think is immense, immense.

699
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: I think it's a mens on people your age and

700
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: my age as well. I think, uh, you know, I

701
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: think obviously there's no substitute you just listen. I think

702
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: the Surgeon General has done actually a really great job

703
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: on this and and talking about loneliness and talking about

704
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: the effect of uh separation of humanity really people going

705
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 2: up to their room and watching, you know, just turning

706
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: off the people in their own home to turn on

707
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: what's in the computer. I remember, you know, when my

708
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: kids were little, their dad and I we didn't allow

709
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: any TVs in the room. We didn't let them have

710
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: phones till eighth grade. They weren't you know. Obviously it

711
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: was before you know, they couldn't have an iPad and

712
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. But it was to try to

713
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: keep them busy in real life with activities, with our conversations,

714
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: with our dinner table, with things that we could do,

715
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: so that what was in the phone or in the

716
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: computer was less interesting than what we were talking about,

717
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: or that what we were doing. And I think that, certainly,

718
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: I think we see record numbers of loneliness, We see

719
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: record numbers of anxiety, of depression. You don't need to

720
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: hear it from me. It's everywhere about the effect on

721
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: young people, but on the effective people of all ages

722
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: in terms of how we speak with one another, how

723
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: we don't speak with one another. People sometimes come to

724
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 2: my house and they bring their kids and they give

725
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: their kid an iPad is to come to the table.

726
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, we don't do that. Here, the iPad goes,

727
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: the kid comes to the table like and the kid,

728
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, loves it. You know. So I think it's

729
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, and I think parents are pressed, right, they

730
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 2: don't have the time. People are all doing the best

731
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: they can, but I think people are really waking up

732
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: to the effects of all of this technology. I think

733
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: people are hard pressed for time. They can't afford childcare.

734
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: So in many ways, the iPad is childcare, right. It's

735
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: a chance for you to do your work at home

736
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: if you're a parent and your kid is preoccupied there

737
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: a little bit, and so I think that, you know,

738
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: I think that there's Along with my daughter Christina, we

739
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: did two films called Take Your Pills. One was on Adderall,

740
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: one was on Xanax, and it dealt with this kind

741
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: of twenty four hour workday that everybody's involved in, lack

742
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: of boundaries, inability to be bored, inability to dream, and

743
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: ability to turn off the anxiety that you know you're

744
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: taking a lot of adderall then you have to take

745
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: Xanax to calm down. I talk to a lot of

746
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: people who are turning off social media, who are stepping away,

747
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 2: who are trying to investigate is there another way of living?

748
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: I think COVID started a lot of that. People moved

749
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: out of cities, People started to look at work in

750
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: a different way. They started to look at what is

751
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: my life like, how do I want to work moving forward?

752
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: Do I want to have children? How many children do

753
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: I want to have? What is the climate what is

754
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: my role in all of this. I think we're in

755
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: a reawakening in many ways, reevaluating the role. I think

756
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: certainly you hear a lot on AI. Now the debate

757
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: is more at the forefront of it, you know, like,

758
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: what are we doing. I'm really worried. I don't know

759
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: enough about AI myself, but I know that in the

760
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: last three months it went from like nobody talking about

761
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: it to everybody talking about it. And I can get

762
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: I can see now when I get letters from people

763
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: asking me to do something. I can tell when it's

764
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: AI written. It's just it's too good, too nice, and

765
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: it's too complimentary, and it's too all around like AI. Right.

766
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: But I think, you know, this is a discussion about humanity,

767
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: about the news business, about journalism, about screenwriters, about all

768
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: of these things. You know, A lot is being a lot,

769
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: is being prone coming back to a lot. There's a

770
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: lot being thrown at all of us, and it's happening

771
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: so quickly that people are struggling to catch up. They're going,

772
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: what's AI, where's it going? All of a sudden, I'm

773
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: getting AI or I just lost my job to AI.

774
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: It's a lot going on, So I'm also of the

775
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: feeling that like trying to kind of I exercise stepping

776
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: back and just taking a beat. Wait a minute, what's

777
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: my role in all of this? What can I do?

778
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: What can I do with my family, with my company?

779
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: How can I lead in a way, in this small

780
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 2: way that might be better for the people who work

781
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: for me or the people who come to my table.

782
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: I think we all can have that conversation with ourselves.

783
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: Are we part of the solution? Are we part of

784
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: the problem? Are we willing to change how we move forward?

785
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: When you look out ahead, Christina just turned thirty, two

786
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: forty years from now, Yeah, what are you optimistic about

787
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: when you think about this country, you think about its resiliency.

788
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: What is life for your grandkids? You're going to be

789
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: like in their kids?

790
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you know. I hear a lot of

791
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 2: people my kids age talking about like, I don't even

792
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 2: know if I want to have kids because of the climate.

793
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I can bring a child

794
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: into this world. And that to me is a really

795
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 2: sobering conversation to listen to young people in their twenties

796
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: and thirties having that conversation. They're talking about what, Yeah,

797
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: they're talking about like the you know, the planet's going

798
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: to burn us all alive, right, They're talking about I

799
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: don't know if I want to bring a child in here.

800
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could ever own a home.

801
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm going to be able to

802
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: work as long as you have worked, mommy. I don't

803
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: know what's happening to the world. I don't know if

804
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: America will be America. You know, twenty years, thirty years

805
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: from now. These conversations were not the conversations that I

806
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: grew up with. I grew up with, you know, we're

807
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: the greatest country on earth. Everybody looks to America. You

808
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: can achieve anything in America. I grew up with a

809
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: very aspirational conversation. We can do better for everybody in America.

810
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: People can do better. It was very very positive. Now

811
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: people are like, oh my god, we're going to you know, disintegrate.

812
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: So I think that that's a I think it's a

813
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: hard time to be a young person. It's a hard

814
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: time to think about, like getting married. It's a hard

815
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: time to think about do I want to have children?

816
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 2: Do I you know, when I look at my grandchildren,

817
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is what is their life going to

818
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: look like twenty thirty years from now. I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful,

819
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: but it's sobering, and I think it it. I think

820
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: we're all going to have to play some role in

821
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: steering this ship back into the center a little bit.

822
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: I think we're all going to have to kind of

823
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: bend and compromise. That's the other thing that I grew

824
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: up with. Compromise was not a dirty word. Compromise was

825
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: viewed as something that leaders did. It wasn't viewed as weak,

826
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't viewed as losers. It was like, if I

827
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: want this, I'm going to have to compromise. Right, you

828
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: have to do that in a marriage, as a parent, right,

829
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: you always have to compromise.

830
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: It's life and building life.

831
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: Amen. But somehow we view it as like, oh my god,

832
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: they gave this up, or that they're a loser. You know.

833
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: I think we were so judgmental. I wish, I wish

834
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: we would lose some of that. But I'm hopeful that

835
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: America will like fight for its democracy. I hope America

836
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: will show people that we could get along, that we

837
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: could rebuild our center, that we could move forward, that

838
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: we all found our way together. I think this election

839
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: is going to be really important. I hope that we

840
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 2: can all get above the noise and not jump into

841
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: the you know, kind of the gutter. I hope. I'm

842
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: really hopeful about that.

843
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: Well, we will leave it there. Thank you very much,

844
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: Maria Shriver for spending time.

845
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm very happy to have been here to

846
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: talk with you, uh, and I'm happy that you have

847
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: this m