WEBVTT - Selects: How Miniature Golf Works 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.040 Hey, everyone, I thought it would be nice to ring 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.600 in the new year with an easy select filled with 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:08.880 Chuck and Me reminiscing about our childhood memories of Putt 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.960 Pud and slush puppies. So for this week's Select, I 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.320 give you our August twenty twenty episode, a miniature golf 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.200 and want to take a moment to wish my dear wife, Yumy, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.239 a happy birthday. So happy birthday, Yummy, And to you 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.160 dear listeners, Happy New Year. 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:35.879 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.440 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.360 there's Charles w Chuck Bryan over there, and there's Jerry 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.640 there figuring out all the new contrivances of modern life. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.199 Yeah, I mean we should tell people what's going on. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:55.800 I think it's interesting, right, No, well, I'm gonna tell him. Fine, 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.480 So Jerry is figured out now how to operate the 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:06.920 studio Macintosh recording system. Sure, and not be in the office. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.000 It's pretty great. It's COVID terrific. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.880 Actually, And so she was just up on our Skype 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.600 on video and she's still there. But when she switched 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.080 it to mute, it went to that distressing picture. Do 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:19.760 you see that thing? 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.520 No, I just see JR. Like the letter J in 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:24.160 the letter R. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:26.280 Oh see there she is. She's back. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:27.440 Okay. 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.520 When she turned it off, though, was I get a 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.399 photograph of Jerry that looks like she's like sick in 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:34.679 bed or something. It's weird. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.720 This is a well that's just Jerry's look. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:39.200 Maybe so, I don't know. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.839 That's a diet of nothing but miso for fifteen twenty 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:43.959 years will do for you. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.280 The weirdest thing is this is as close as we've 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.240 come to normal in four months. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.480 I know. Not only is it like normal, it's almost 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.880 like a throwback. Remember when we had the studio where 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.320 we would look out the window when she was there. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.160 that was great. It's kind of like this again. She 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.360 was a window creeper yeap, professionally and in her personal 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:04.920 life too. 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:05.440 That's right. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.600 So this is stuff you should know everybody. I don't 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.480 know if I said it. There are probably a few 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.360 people who are confused and aren't anymore. But we haven't 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.359 gotten started yet, so prepare to be confused again. When 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:21.280 we explained something in particular, Chuck Miniature. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.040 Golf, I gotta ask, are you a fan. 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.120 Uh, this made me want to play again. Like I 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.200 grew up playing putt putt or and have very fond 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.520 memories of all the different colored golf balls, you know, 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.400 like the water trap that was really just a stagnant 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:43.120 little puddle of concrete. You know. Put pet was wonderful 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.280 and great, and there were arcades and birthday parties there 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.200 that featured heavily with g I. Joe action figures and 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.359 stuff like that, the good kind of three and three 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.680 quarter inch ones. M h. And yeah, I am a fan, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.959 if not just nostalgically in general. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.040 Yes, and which style And as you as a listener 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.680 will see soon, there are a couple of different things. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.600 But did you grow up playing just sort of the 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:14.120 bare bones putt putt or the more miniature golf clown's mouth, 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.040 windmill volcano? 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.640 Well, chuck. If you ask me if I had a 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.680 rich childhood, I will always tell you yes, sir, Yes 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.480 I did. And the reason why is because I grew 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.280 up having putt putt close by in Toledo, and we 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.679 played that a lot. And then when my family would 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.560 vacation in the summers on Catawba Island on Lake Erie, 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.240 and this is like pre cleaned up Lake Erie. There 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.400 was a like a run down little like mini golf 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.520 with like clowns, mouths and windmills and all that stuff 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:48.840 right by the place where we used to stay, like 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.839 walking distance, and so we'd play there a lot too. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.360 So I had the best of both worlds, a really great, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:55.840 just top notch childhood. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.480 So I grew up playing putt putt at Stone Mountain Park, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.839 which we went to a lot because it was near 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.680 our church and the youth group would go and do 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.920 putt putt nights and stuff. So that was a lot 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.880 of fun. And I was sort of partial to those 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.440 that were like, you know, the real putt putt where 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.800 it requires a little bit of skill. But I am 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:27.800 also a sucker for the beach Town volcano, waterfall, go 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:33.600 kart bumper boat arcade scene. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:35.800 Yep, don't forget laser tag. 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.800 I never really did laser tag. I think that came 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.760 around a little after I was, you know, in my 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:43.600 prime years for this kind of thing. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.760 Gotcha, Yeah, it wasn't the same here, but I was 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.840 looking up. Now they have laser tag at putt putt places. 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.200 But I still love those go karts. Man, when we 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.200 go to Isle of palms. Last year, I found a 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:56.760 place nearby. I was like, we got to go, and 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.240 everyone was kind of like, oh, I don't know, and 0:04:58.279 --> 0:04:59.720 the kids are sort of like, yeah, I guess I'll 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.599 do it. I was like, guys, we gotta go. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.080 Right, Like, what is wrong with all of you? Who 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.480 are you vacchening with? Chuck? 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:05.720 Oh? 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.120 Man, it was so much a carbon monoxide leak at 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:08.480 the house. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.080 You wran no those go karts. I could do that 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:12.040 all day long. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:13.280 Yeah, for sure. 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.240 And of course I got the guy, you know, the teenager, 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.360 squeaky voice, teenager, and I said, hey, man, which one 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.920 which was? Which is the fast one? Means like number eight? 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:25.400 Really? 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.120 Oh yeah? And sure enough it was really fast. 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.400 You just ran circles around everybody. 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.359 I did such that I even laid off on the 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.560 gas a little bit just to catch up and let people, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.240 you know, act like they outrace What a sportsman? 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.080 Oh my goodness. Well we'll talk about go karts one 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:44.800 day more in depth, but today we're just going to 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.240 focus on the miniature golf. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.960 Okay, Yeah, this is a pretty interesting history, I think. 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.400 Yeah, I had no idea how far back it went 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.320 until we started researching this and actually it goes all 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.839 the way back to the nineteenth century. And this is 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.320 one of those rare things that's been around a while, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.560 but you can actually pinpoint like the first one and 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.280 the first miniature golf course in the world as far 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.840 as anybody knows, is that Saint Andrews. It's the Ladies 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.000 Putting Club of Saint Andrews and it was built in 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:17.520 eighteen sixty seven strictly for the women members of the 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:18.640 Ladies Putting Club. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.839 Yeah, there's a couple of things that play here. Actually 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:26.279 really just one thing, which is not letting women do 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:31.640 things because there was a decree basically that women shall 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.760 not take the club back past their shoulder. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:37.240 Commandment. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.560 Yeah, like a real golf swing in other words, was 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.440 I guess improper for a for a lady to do. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.760 The Victorian era was just so stupid when it came 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:48.719 to social constraints. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.680 I'm trying to figure out why does that I don't know, ditriarchy. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.000 I would guess, well, I just wonder why a full 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.760 golf swing would it make their their dress rate rise 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.840 above the ankle or like, I just wonder why. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.080 I think also women were expected to not over exert 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:10.000 themselves physically especially in public too, right, it could kind 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:11.720 of construe that as over exertion. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.760 Well, and then there's this, which is from an eighteen 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:20.800 ninety book by Scottish baron Lord Wellwood talking about women 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.080 and when they should golf, when they shouldn't golf, if 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:25.800 they choose. I was going to do a Scottish accent, 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.120 but I'm just not feeling it. If they choose to play. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.400 At times when male golfers are feeding or resting, no 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.840 one can object, But at other times, must we say it? 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:38.000 They are in the way. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.280 It was kind of snarky to add even the must 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.480 we say it? Like, do I even need to write 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:48.040 this next sentence? It's so just drippingly obvious. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.000 But the upshot of this is that's why they created 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.960 the Ladies Putting Club is just to sort of get 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:56.280 rid of them. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:57.880 Yeah, to get them out of the way of the men. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.240 But the joke was on the men because this Putting Green, 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:05.760 this first miniature golf course in the world, is still 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.240 around and it's still considered one of the finest. That's 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.520 actually nicknamed the Himalayas because it has all these kind 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.600 of mountains and hills and hillocks all built into it, 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.560 and they really kind of stand out from what I 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.640 understand against like the Scottish Sea scape, and it's a 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.400 really revered miniature golf course. But it is exactly what 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.640 it sounds like. It is a golf course in miniature, 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.000 Like just like you take a classic golf course of 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.920 the variety that was born in Scotland and you just 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.840 kind of hit it with a shrink ray and then 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.240 you have a genuine, bona fide miniature golf course. And 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:43.720 that's how the whole thing started out. 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.280 Yeah, I mean that's what we would call like a 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:47.160 par three today. 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.960 Right, kind of it seems like par three courses are 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:56.160 a little different, So this is like, yes, I think 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.240 it does require more than just a putter, right, par 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.800 three would require more than a putter. But there seems 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.440 to be a few different other kinds of golf courses 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:10.320 aside from the miniature golf course. There's the par three, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.280 the pitch and putt and executive courses all kind of 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.720 qualified technically as miniature golf courses in different ways. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.679 Yeah, the executive course they got the name because evidently 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.560 an executive could go play a quick ground during lunch. 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.240 A lot of par three's you might have a like 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.400 one par five and a couple of par fours. Is 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.480 that right on a par three on an executive course? 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.199 Oh okay, Yeah, that's what. That's really the only thing 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.240 from what I can tell, that differentiates it from a 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:39.080 par three course. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.360 Yeah, it's it's it's a golf course is just shorter 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.080 and therefore doesn't take as long. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.920 Yeah. And it's not like the hole is smaller and 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.679 the ball is smaller and the clubs are smaller, like 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.200 just get out of your fantasy land there. Instead, it's 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.800 just the distance from the tee to the hole is shorter. 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:02.720 There's fewer bends and stuff like that, so the actual 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.480 experience takes less time and less energy and you can 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.320 just kind of fit it in in a shorter amount 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.920 of time. And I think that's the popularity of those 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.920 things generally. Although pitch and putt courses I also saw there. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.600 They usually consist of a wedge and iron and a 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.760 putter of what you need to play on those and 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.280 they're all about the focus on the short game. And 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.520 as a result, men and women, just average men and 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.960 women who play golf can kind of compete pretty evenly 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.000 because it's all about the short game. It's all about 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.520 finesse rather than you know, just cher power of driving 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.520 as far as you can on like a traditional golf course. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.680 Yeah, I mean I'd love golf. I just don't play anymore. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.000 Like I grew up playing golf and was not good, 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.240 but I wasn't terrible for as much as I played, 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.440 and I still like it. I just don't, you know, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.719 have the time or the inclination anymore. But I like 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.280 the big boy courses with the big par fives. But 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.560 I also love a fun little part three, Like Florida 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.120 has a lot of these beautiful par threes, including some 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.160 you can play at night that are all lit up, 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:07.280 and that's always a lot of fun too. 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.319 Yeah. I tried to get acquainted with golf as a youngster. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.000 My family had, weirdly enough, because this is not like 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.440 my family at all, had a membership at heather Down's 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:23.400 Country Club. Yeah, and I love the pool because they 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.960 had like, you know, tons of slush puppies and the 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.959 best like nasty hot dogs you can imagine, and there 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:31.760 was a pool and all that. I think I told 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.120 you the story about Swim League, the swim team where 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:35.440 I was the worst swimmer on it. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:35.800 Yeah. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.920 But I also tried to golf for a couple of 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.640 summers and it just didn't didn't take it up. But 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.000 I was back in Toledo like a couple of years ago, 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.160 I think, right before our Cleveland show, and I visited 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.520 the country club. Well, I just drove by and I looked, 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.880 and the pool is now just like a green field. 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:57.360 It's been filled in, like the little the little snack 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.280 shop has been torn down. I'm like, something really bad 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.520 must have happened there for them to do that to 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:03.080 the pool. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.079 You know. Yeah, there's the And I didn't get to 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.280 go here much because it was private. But Hidden Hills 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.480 was a big neighborhood near my house that had a 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.960 country club that's still around, isn't it. Well, the neighborhood's there, 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.200 but you know, the neighborhood has seen its better days. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.760 And the country club and golf course is completely just 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.920 shut down and grown over. It's really it looks well, 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:25.559 it is an abandoned place. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:27.120 That's so cool. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.800 It is kind of cool. And then I had the 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.280 idea of a movie, like a old school type thing 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.360 where a bunch of old a bunch of like middle 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.880 aged men that grew up there go back and raise 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:39.560 some money and try and like clean the place up 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.600 and get it going again. Yeah, to hilarity. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.280 There has to be like a greedy developer that they're battling, right. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.360 Oh yeah, so is that the neighborhood that we got 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.320 kicked out of when we tried to go shoot like 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.880 without a license once around that area? Remember the security 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.520 guard came up. It was like, stop what you're doing? 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:58.760 I don't remember that? 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.520 Yeah, up in one day? Was it on the TV 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.240 show and Gorilla? No, it was like when we were 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:04.960 shooting shorts. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.360 I think I don't remember that. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.280 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the one. 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:11.520 Should we take a break already? 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:13.839 Sure? 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.280 Okay, all right, we'll get back and we'll talk about 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.400 where many golf went from here right after this. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:31.360 Definitely should know lars of each y s k as 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:42.480 why why s k? You should know? All right, so 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.520 we're back. Nothing we've talked about right now constitutes miniature 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.320 golf in the mind of anybody who here's the words 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.000 miniature golf, right, Like, what what comes to mind are 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.240 things like putt putt or goofy golf, or windmills or 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.880 clowns or happy Gilmour or something like that, right, Yeah, 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:04.680 so that all started. Actually that didn't quite start yet. 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:06.560 It was really leading up to that. And then I 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.560 realized we had to keep going with regular miniature golf 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.760 one more time because it has to spread to America. 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.640 And it did, and we can actually trace that too, 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.640 to the house of a guy named James Barber, who 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.320 is an immigrant from England who was familiar with the 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.520 course the Ladies Punning Club at Saint Andrews. And he 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.080 was rich enough that he said, you know, I want 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.280 a miniature golf course built on my estate at Pinehurst, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.160 North Carolina. And he did. He had like an eighteen 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.120 hole miniature course built right there in his formal gardens 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:39.800 and it's just absolutely beautiful. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.080 It is nice. And this was the first one in 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:47.680 the United States. And as it's called thistle Do Thhi 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:52.480 s t l E d Hu and supposedly, as legend goes, 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.480 he when he first saw it he said, this will do. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.400 I guess he was. He was not blown away, maybe 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.040 I don't know, so dwelling. 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.880 He wasn't one of those spoiled brat, you know, robber barons, 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.040 and instead was like, this will do, this will do 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.560 quite nicely. And they just left off the second part, 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:09.920 you know. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.200 Yeah, but it's called this will do. And they started 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.320 hosting competitions a couple of years later, and I think 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.480 this is the first time miniature golf was ever used, 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.440 like those words wherever you use to describe the Pinehurst outlook? 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:27.600 Was that the newspaper, I. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:32.800 Guess, yeah, it's their one claim to fame. Oh you 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.800 know it's true though, it's probably true. Yeah, but that 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.720 they were the one that in an account of the competition, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.800 they coined the term miniature golf. Up to that point, 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.040 a lot of people had called it little Apputian golf, sure, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.480 after the the little people in Gulliver Gulliver's Travels, and 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.840 that actually that name actually stuck for quite a while. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:16:00.200 So we've got James Barber, who hosted or built the 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.640 first miniature golf course in America. But still this thing 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.240 is like directly connected to the Ladies Putting Club of 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.760 Saint Andrews. It's a golf course in miniature. We still 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.120 haven't quite reached what we would consider miniature golf. And 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.680 that wouldn't happen until nineteen twenty six, which turned out 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.000 to be a really big year for miniature golf in America. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.080 It was like there was something in the air and 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.360 a few different people kind of tapped into it around 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.680 the same time and it suddenly just took off like 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:29.320 a rocket. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.280 Yeah. Two of the guys were some entrepreneurs named Drake 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:39.680 del Delinois. I guess name John Ledbetter another good name, 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:40.840 and it's okay. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.920 He sounds like he'll he'll shoot you. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:44.040 He'll led Better. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.200 Yeah, yeah, I can see that. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.560 They did a pretty cool thing, which is they opened 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.640 up a course on top of a rooftop in the 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:57.040 Financial District in New York, and that kicked off a trend. 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.680 There were I think about one hundred of those on 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.760 top of roofs. I guess it's before the big rooftop 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.399 bar hotel scene. They had golf courses up there. 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.000 Yeah, miniature golf courses. But again though those were like 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.439 miniature golf courses, so that I mean, that was a 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:17.320 big deal in New York. Just one hundred rooftop golf 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.119 miniature golf course alone in the twenties, That's that's a 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.440 tremendous amount. And I don't think there's a single one left. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:28.040 Actually there should be, there's there's so that kind of 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.159 makes the whole. You know, there's one on top of 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.320 Pont City Market where the house Stuff Works office is. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:35.240 Is there golf up there? 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.440 There's a miniature golf course up there, and it makes 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.280 a lot more sense now. Yeah, it's kind of like 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.160 a whole mini Coney Island up there. Yeah. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:43.880 I mean, I think I've only been up there when 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.600 we had work events, and the only thing I did 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:46.800 was the slide. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:49.959 I didn't know there was a slide. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.679 Yeah, there's like a you know, you sit in a 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.560 potato sack and go down the big slide. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.439 Okay, yeah, yeah, I got it that. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:55.840 That was fun. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.200 Yeah, there's a there's a miniature golf course up there. 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.960 We'll have to play sometime when the whole pandemic passes totally. 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:04.800 And then later that same year you said it was 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.119 kind of a boomy or for mini golf. Lookout Mountain, 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.760 Tennessee and Chattanooga, which is a place where I think 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.280 everybody should go to see Ruby Falls in Rock City. Oh, yes, 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.359 it is a tourist trap, but it's actually kind of neat. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.879 I mean, the greatest of the great tourist traps and 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:23.240 it still holds up too. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:28.520 Yeah, get a pecan log Oh my god, those are 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:28.960 so good. 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.840 They are so good. That's what. That also supports my 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.920 theory that candy was perfected in the nineteenth century. I 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.240 never remember nugat honeycomb. Sure pecan logs. 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.360 Was that. I didn't know pecan logs were from way 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:45.520 back then, but I believe it. 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:47.639 Yeah, for sure, they're definitely old timing. 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:54.520 So these people, Garnett and FRIEDA. Carter, they built a 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:59.159 resort called Faeryland Club and it was part of that 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:03.040 whole sort of interconnected scene there with Rock City and 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.400 Ruby Falls. And they built a miniature golf course and 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.160 they said, you know what, if you like golf, maybe 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.560 you should try mini golf because it doesn't take very long. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.440 It'll kind of scratch that itch if you're not able 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.239 to play a real round. And that's sort of how 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.199 they marketed it at first. And they they were the 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.120 first people, I think, to start adding the obstacles, right 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:25.280 they did. 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.520 Yeah, And they used as they were building like the 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.720 inn and the resort complex, they used some of the 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:36.760 construction materials like train pipes and you know, barrels and 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.240 things like that and built them as hazards. And then 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.120 because they had this whole like fairy tale theme going 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.680 up there. They also built rock City. They were the 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.200 ones who built Rock City, and that has like a cool, 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.240 little weird, weird but also very neat fairy tale theme 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:57.000 kind of hidden throughout. They added that to their miniature 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:01.240 golf course, so they had these stationary obstacles and hazards 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.720 that they added, and then they also added this statuary 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.760 of cute little you know, mother goose type stuff, and 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.960 they actually called the whole thing Tom Thumb Golf, and 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.440 Tom Thumb, from what I understand, is the earliest recorded 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.560 English fairy tale character from back in sixteen twenty one. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.800 And he was a little tiny guy the size of 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.240 his father's thumb, which is where he got his name, 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.639 so it was a pretty appropriate name. They must have 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:30.080 really like been pretty pleased with themselves when they decided 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.040 to call it Tom Thumb Golf, because it really it 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:34.200 checked all the boxes. 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.639 Yeah, and we should mention too, we keep saying Rock City, 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:39.600 and if you're not from the southeast, you might think 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:43.439 it's just some like redneck area with a bunch of rocks. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:48.280 It's actually a very sweet natural wonder. It's caves that 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.280 you walk through caves. 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:54.479 It's huge boulders being held up by much much smaller boulders. Yea, 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.480 that's really not that way for probably tens of thousands 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.640 of years. That you walk under their is like yeah, 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.480 there's little cave areas that you kind of duck into, 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.959 and they have little fairy tale scenes with fluorescent day 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.320 or fluorescent yeah, I guess kind of daglaz. 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.680 It's like glow in the dark, weird. 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.840 Like gnomes in fairy tale scenes. 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.320 Like that's the weird part. It's like if Carlsbad Caverns 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:24.080 had you know, some corny fairy theme mm hmm. 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.360 And then Ruby Falls is really neat too. Yeah, it's 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.159 a very cool, like natural attraction that they've done a 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.800 good job of like underground water making it easy to 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.360 make your way to. But yeah, it's the whole thing 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.600 is definitely worth going to. And then of course they 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:42.040 have this the very famous like Sea Rock City barn 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.560 sides that everybody's right of and that was that was 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:48.400 Garnet Carter who painted one man, or paid one man 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.440 to go around and offer to give a fresh coat 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.920 of paint to barns all throughout the Southeast in exchange 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.400 for letting them paint Sea Rock City on the side. 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:01.000 Yeah, it's if you've ever driven around the North Carolina 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.240 South Carolina area and South of the Border, you know, 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:05.240 I'm talking about. 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:07.919 South of the Mason Dixon line. 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.000 No, South of the Border is the name of this 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.399 sort of highway tourist trap. 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:14.119 No, I haven't heard of that. 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.240 Yeah, it's it's it's the same deal. I think it's 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.080 I want to say it's North Carolina. But it's basically 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:22.480 like a glorified rest stop with that has a Mexican 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.360 theme where you can go, like, I don't know, see 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:31.080 mariachi band and eat good food and buy cheap Chokski's. 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.560 The only mariachi band in all of North Carolina. 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:34.720 But what made me think about it it might be 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.199 was that they have the same thing for like hundreds 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.240 of miles in any direction, for South of the Border 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:43.879 and Rock City. They're very famous for these billboards that 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.919 tell you like, oh, it's coming, You're getting closer, You're 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:47.680 getting closer. 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.920 That's really strange that I've never heard of that. Then, yeah, 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.200 South of the Border check it's not been paying attention. 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.200 So so the Carter's built like this Tom Thumb golf course. 0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:59.200 And again, originally they just did this as kind of 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:05.199 an amenity their Fairyland Inn in Fairyland Club. But it 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.680 was such a smash hit and Garnet Carter was such 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:13.840 a born businessman that they were like, I think there 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.880 might be something to this, and they saw either they 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:19.200 saw it out or he sought them. I'm not quite 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:21.359 sure how it happened. But there was another guy who 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:26.280 really factors bigly into this whole story, but he's very 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:33.720 frequently overlooked, and his name is Thomas McCullough Fairburn. McCullough Fairburn. Yeah, 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:37.679 and he invented a really cheap and easy technique for 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:41.560 creating artificial putting greens that could be used for miniature 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:42.360 golf courses. 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:47.200 Yeah. It was a crush cottonseed holes oil, you would 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.399 diet green and they would come in these big roles 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:52.840 and you just roll it over this foundation of sand 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.960 and boom. You've got an easy way basically to sort 0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:01.280 of franchise these things with these prefab kit that they had, 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:06.600 and people loved it because it was you know, when 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:08.880 it was they called it midget golf for a little while, 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:10.919 not a term we would use today, but it's what 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.919 they called it in the nineteen twenties, right, And this 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.360 factors into a lot of stuff we've been talking about 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.240 with the nineteen twenties lately, just these weird fads that 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.920 would pop up, and tom Thumb golf was one of them. 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:24.920 It was. And part of the reason that it got 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:30.080 out from Lookout Mountain is because the Carters and Fairburn 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:34.320 kind of joined forces and used his technique for making 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:37.760 these greens very cheaply and used their kind of like 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.880 touch of whimsy, packaged it together and started selling it 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:47.360 prepackaged sets or prefabricated sets that could be franchised out 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:49.760 to anybody who wanted to start their own Tom Thumb 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.199 golf course. And so they spread really really quickly, and 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.840 like you were saying, like the twenties, they were just 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:59.959 looking for whatever craze could come along. Crossroad puzzles, dance marathon, 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:04.440 flag pole sitting. Well, apparently miniature golf was the king 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.080 of them all as far as the twenties crazes went. 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:12.680 Yeah, this is a pretty startling statistic. In August of 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.639 nineteen thirty, the Commerce Department said that there were and 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:17.920 apparently this could be low by even as much as 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:22.080 half twenty five thousand twenty five thousand mini golf courses 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.919 in the US, half of which were built in that 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:27.560 previous six or eight months of the year. 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:30.720 Yeah, it's a boom right there. 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:34.119 Can you imagine like in eight months, like twelve to 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.680 fifteen thousand many golf courses being built in the US. 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:38.000 It's crazy. 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.760 I can just imagine Garnet and freeda carter just rolling 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.640 around on a bed of money in their suite at 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:45.200 the fairy Land in Yeah. 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:49.240 And I mean in a legit like job boosting market. 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.720 Yeah. No, Well that's another thing too, right, I mean, 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:57.600 like there was a like flagpole sitting didn't make the 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:01.000 transition into the depression, and dance marathons did, but they 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.840 got kind of grim apparently. Miniature golf and I've seen both, 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:08.919 but miniature golf seems to have made the transition from 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:14.439 twenties craze to you know, kind of national pastime. That 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:16.720 that made sense in the depression because you could take 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:20.000 your whole family out to play miniature golf for pretty cheap, 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:26.080 so that was a big attraction. And then also if 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:28.399 you were like a golf junkie, but all of a 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.960 sudden you didn't have the money to afford greens fees 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.920 any longer at the very least you could go play 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:37.119 some miniature golf somewhere. So it kind of scratched that 0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.600 itch to a certain a certain degree. So there was 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.560 like a lot of popularity that even after the craze 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:47.080 kind of crested and waned a little bit, it's still 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:51.120 carried on pretty pretty thoroughly through the nineteen thirties. And 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.199 as a matter of fact, Chuck, some people were like 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.639 that Tom Thumb Golf, the official franchise Tom Thumb Golf, 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.199 it's a little rich for my blood. What else she 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:00.760 got for me? 0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:02.199 Yeah, Like, why can't we just do this? 0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:06.480 Well, yeah, exactly. Local entrepreneurs were like, I got exactly 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.600 the thing, buddy, you want to play half priced miniature golf, 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:10.600 come on in. 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.640 Like I've got a bunch of PVC pipe playing around. 0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:17.119 Yeah or yeah. So just basically whatever found objects you 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.680 could find, you could you could come across what we're 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:24.879 called rinky dink miniature golf courses that were basically knockoff 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:30.000 Tom Thumb courses that used whatever found objects the person 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:31.760 who built it head lying around. 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:35.520 Yeah, New York had about one hundred and fifty of them. Washington, 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.280 DC had thirty. One of those is still around the 0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:43.280 East Potomac Park course. Yeah, and yeah, the whole family 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.840 could get involved. And I think one of the keys 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:49.159 then and now to mini golf being popular and then 0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.840 putt putt, which we'll see here in a minute, is 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.840 that you don't even have to like golf at all. 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:59.600 You can hate golf and still go do putt putt 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.359 and probably have a good time. 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.160 Yeah, as long as you don't take it too seriously. 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.840 Don't take it too seriously. Please don't just really don't 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.359 be that guy. That's what it's for. You want to 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:14.080 take a break in the talk put putt? Yes, okay, 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.440 let's do that. Everybody definitely should know. 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:30.040 Y s K as what why s K? 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.400 You should know? 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:38.920 Are we there? 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:40.400 Who me? 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:41.480 Are we there are? 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.280 But I thought you said are you there? I'm like, yeah, 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:47.920 I'm here. We are there, chuck, because let me set 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:49.520 the set the table here? Are you ready? 0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:50.480 Yes, I'm hungry. 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.480 America got a little burned out on miniature golf, especially 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:59.520 the tom thumb and rinkyding varieties, and so a lot 0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:03.240 of it died out, but some remained, some hopped along, 0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:07.200 some are still around today actually, and by the nineteen fifties, 0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:11.400 there was a guy who was playing at one of 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:15.840 these courses in Fayetteville, North Carolina, which remember was the 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.680 home of miniature golf in the United States. North Carolina 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.560 is and he happened to have just gotten a prescription 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.480 from his doctor saying, you're about to have a nervous breakdown. 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:30.200 I prescribe you a month's rest from work. And this guy, 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:33.520 Don Clayton, said, can do and he started playing miniature golf, 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:35.200 but he wasn't quite satisfied with it. 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.400 Yeah. I imagine if you were on the verge of 0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:42.000 a nervous breakdown, then Tom Thumb golf is a nice 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:45.080 salve for that kind of experience. 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:49.960 Sure, if you're charmed by all the whimsical stuff. 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.160 And you don't take it too seriously. 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:53.680 Right from what I understand though, Don Clayton was like, 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.280 this whimsy sucks. We need something better than this, and 0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.040 I think I'm just the person to build it. 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:03.880 Yeah, So he had the idea to to basically make 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:08.960 miniature golf but without all the garbage, no clown's mouths, 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:13.400 no windmills, and have a little like have a little 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.600 skill involved, like you can go out there and if 0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:19.400 you're like a good putter, you can actually compete and 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.360 have a good time and it's still for fun, but 0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.400 it's just not a silly kids game anymore. 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.680 Yeah, Like, anybody who's been to an actual putt putt 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.600 course can tell you that it's I mean, there's a 0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.200 lot of obstacles, and it's interesting and fun and there's 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:36.959 some neat stuff, but it does it just does not 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:40.400 have all of like the the moving bells and whistles 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.000 that you're gonna see on like other kinds of miniature golf, 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:44.160 like goofy golf. 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.320 Like the obstacles are usually just like some blocks in 0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:51.520 the way and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, like around 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:52.240 or bank. 0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:56.560 Elevated elevated rhombuses or things like that, or like a labyrinth, 0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.960 you know, built into it. It's not like a clown 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.400 mouth or anything like that, which is kind of like 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.640 the go to description for goofy golf, isn't it really? 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:09.120 Yeah, And I think like the craziest thing you'll see 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.480 on a putt putt course is where you those that 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.320 are like two levels and you can hit it into 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.720 three different holes at the top and you're like you 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:19.320 kind of take a little bit of a gamble as 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.680 to where it's going to come out on the bottom. Sure, 0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:23.200 it'll either come out close to the hole, so you 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.320 can get that part two, and I think they're all 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:28.840 part twos on a real putt putt course, right, or 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.200 it'll spit you out way far away. But you still 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.400 have a chance to hit that long putt for the two. 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:37.040 Sure, there's always a chance for you a second chance 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:37.840 at putt putt. 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:39.600 I think that was the motto. 0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.840 So yeah, But so this was Don Clayton's vision. He 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:46.640 was like, I want to make this a little less goofy. 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.240 I want to make it a little more interesting and. 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.479 Skillful, less goofy, more golfy. 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:55.160 Yeah, yeah, chuck man, he just sat up from his 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:59.040 grave going I wish I'd thought of that as he did. Yeah, 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.880 he died in nineteen nine, Okay, but he had a 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.000 good run. I mean, this is nineteen fifty four when 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:05.520 he was a twenty eight year old man that he 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:09.080 decided to try this. So he went to his dad 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:10.960 and said, hey, I've got this. I've got this idea 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.400 rather than basically, as a New York Times obituary put it, 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:19.920 rather than basically making a human sized pinball machine for golf. 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.320 We're going to make this a little more interesting. How 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.440 about we cobble together fifty two hundred bucks and we're 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.560 going to build our own little miniature golf course. And 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:32.440 he did, and like a shaded little lot. And with 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.320 that fifty two hundred dollars, they opened for business and 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.360 within twenty nine days he and his father had made 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.720 one hundred percent of their investment back. And Don Clayton said, 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.200 I think there might be something to this whole thing. 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:50.000 Yeah, so he he was initially going to call it. 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:51.880 He went to the bank to open a business account 0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:53.840 and he had to fill out the paperwork and he 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.640 was going to call it the Shady Veil Golf Course. 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:58.200 But yeah, this is hilarious. 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.720 As the story goes, he didn't know how to spell vail. 0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.240 I guess if it was va il or va l e. 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:11.720 So he just said, uh, putt putt and wrote down putt. 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.800 But it wasn't something he brainstormed. Apparently, it was just 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.440 sort of on a whim. Yeah, and it's a name 0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:22.680 that really really stuck. It's kind of brilliant and it's simplicity, 0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:24.800 I think divine inspiration. 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.920 It almost feels like did that. It just kind of 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:32.160 happened on a whim. That's just absolutely great. But he 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.440 started to kind of build the whole thing into like 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:37.520 this enormous industry pretty quickly because he was right. You know, 0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.360 there's I did the math. If they made their fifty 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.080 two hundred dollars back in twenty nine days, that means 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:46.200 that over that month they had twenty thousand, eight hundred 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.800 paying customers. It was a quarter game, twenty five cents 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.000 a game. Yeah, that's a lot of And so when 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:55.400 they really got together and started putt putt like they 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.000 he was right. He was onto something and it started 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:02.840 to take off pretty quickly. Apparently had its peak when 0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.240 you and I were going to putt putt. They were 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.360 they had something like two hundred and fifty six courses 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:13.160 throughout the world, mostly in the US and Canada, but 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:18.799 also in Australia and South Africa and New Zealand, and 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.439 it was it was definitely a thing. Like you said, 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.480 all of the holes were part twos, right. 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.160 Yeah, And this was just to be clear, two fifty 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.200 six didn't sound like a lot compared to the fifty 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:33.520 thousand that they had in the nineteen thirties. But this 0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:38.040 was his his own putt putt golfing games franchise. There 0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:40.200 was plenty of more putt putt going on in the 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:41.440 United States than that. 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.000 Right, right, right, yeah, like knockoff putt putt right. 0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:47.880 Yeah, Like the one in Stowe Mountain Park wasn't a 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.400 putt putt golfing games. It was just putt putt, but 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:52.200 it was it was great. 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:53.719 It's called Tap Tap. 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.720 They also had trail skate across from the Putt Putt 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:04.240 which was a roller skating trail through the woods. What. Yeah, 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:08.000 it was like this two mile paved you know, just 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:09.960 basically like a big paved sidewalk through the woods, and 0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:13.080 they rented roller skates and you just skate through the woods. 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.400 It was really cool, man, that's awesome. 0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:18.640 Country folk just have some of the best ideas for businesses, 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:19.279 you know what I mean. 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:21.440 I didn't think of it as country folk, but I 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:22.080 guess it kind. 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:25.960 Of wash roller skating through the woods this country, I 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:29.240 guess it is. That's like Dolly Parton level country. 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.719 So yeah, they're all part twos and it is. It 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:37.480 is tough. It's challenging. Apparently, in the sixty five year 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.040 history of putt putt. There have only been three perfect 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:43.640 games where you walk away with a score of eighteen, 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.480 which is that's really tough to do. 0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:51.120 I mean, like of the millions and millions of games 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.440 of putt putt that people have played, only three people 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:58.320 have ever ever gotten a perfect game, which kind of 0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.760 shows you how like deceptively hard card a putt putt courses, 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:03.640 you know, like each one of those, each one of 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.400 those courses made of I think they have something like 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:12.319 one hundred and eight trademarked holes or like lanes I 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:15.399 think is what they're called a miniature golf to where 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.680 you can just kind of take them and reconfigure them 0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:21.160 into different different configurations. But they have one hundred and 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:25.520 eight total, and I guess each one of them is very, 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.359 very difficult. I don't ever remember getting a perfect game, 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.239 or even imagining that I was going to get a 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:30.879 perfect game. 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.960 Now, im you get two or three holes in one 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:37.080 and that's a good day for sure. 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.040 So eighteen. There's actually a short I think seven and 0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:43.360 a half minute grant Land documentary on the most recent 0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.720 perfect put putt game by a guy named Rick Baird, 0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.800 who had his perfect game in twenty eleven. 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:52.080 Can you imagine the tension on Hoole eighteen. 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:55.680 They capture it really well in this in this documentary. 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:59.600 It's really well done. They've got like a cartoon version 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:02.680 of him putting, and he's got like cartoon sweat just 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:07.000 running down his faith. Oh man, really great. So nervous. Yeah, 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.120 it was very nervous, and he did it. And he's 0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:13.120 actually a miniature golf pro in his spare time, which 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:16.600 we'll talk about later. But there's So he's from Charlotte, 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:23.360 Don Clayton was from Fayetteville, and then Joseph Barber was 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:28.040 from Pinehurst. So it seems pretty clear that North Carolina 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:32.239 is the ancestral home of miniature golfer at least the 0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.480 spiritual home of miniature golf in the world. Frankly, I'm 0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:36.640 just going to say it, in the world. 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:39.960 Yeah. And if you're looking for the creators of the 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:44.440 kind of mechanized courses, you can go to nineteen fifty 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:48.720 five and Scranton, PA with Ralph and al Loma. Previous 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:50.439 to this, you know, you had the Putt Putt, which 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.680 just had the sort of regular obstacles. You had the 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:57.840 tom Thumb, which had kind of more outrageous whimsy, but 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.759 still things weren't moving, and these are the guys that 0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:04.839 brought in these rotating windmill blades or ramps that moved 0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:07.080 back and forth, and they really kind of kicked that 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:11.319 to the next level. And they, you know, they went 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:14.320 into business big time. They started mass producing these things, 0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.799 like the actual components, and sold a ton of them 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:18.800 all over the world. 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:23.000 Yeah, I think like five thousand courses, Yeah, which is 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.680 pretty impressive. They're the ones who came up with what 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:27.840 we think of now as like miniature golf and goofy 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:30.839 golf with the moving stuff, not a fan, the clown mouth, 0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.799 don't forget the clown mouth that opens and closes or yeah, 0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.960 like you say, a windmill. So it's kind of interesting 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:44.720 that Don Clayton brought miniature golf back to its roots 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.799 of being a lot more like regular golf, and then 0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:51.600 very shortly after that branched off the Lomas who brought 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:55.120 it back to that Tom thumb roots. So that whole thing, 0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.880 the evolution of miniature golf happened twice in just the 0:38:58.920 --> 0:38:59.479 same way. 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.440 That interesting, Yeah, and it also came back full circle 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.319 in the nineties with a return to the sort of 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.879 that original miniature golf because real golfers, people like Jack 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:15.000 Nicholas started to get involved. I'm sure there were dollar signs, 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.760 you know, in his eyes. Sure, but he also probably 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:20.880 loved it. I don't want to be cynical, but I'm 0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:25.200 sure he made some money. But they have competitions, you know, 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:29.120 there are actual prize purses. There is a US Pro 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.839 Mini Golf Association. They have their own Little US Open. 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:34.640 I don't think they call it the Little US Open. 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.840 They should, They totally should. There's the World Mini Golf 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:44.400 Sports Federation in Germany and they sort of are the 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:49.000 body that standardizes the obstacles and stuff like that. I 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.680 guess what you can have and what you can't have, yeah, 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.960 which is kind of funny when you think about it. 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.359 It is, but it's a pretty interesting list. You're like, oh, 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.040 that'd be tough. Oh that's hard, the slope circle with 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:03.440 a v obstac Yeah, it's just plain difficult. And I 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.120 think they should call it the teeny Weenie US Open. 0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.360 Welcome back to the teeny Weenie That's open. 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:16.080 I was looking at the US Pro Mini Golf Association's 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:20.839 website and there was a Tennessee State Open, and man, 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:24.480 the picture that they have of that course. It looks serious, dude. 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:24.960 Yeah. 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.120 So like if you go to put putt and you 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:29.960 always were like, I love this. This is so challenging. 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.560 I can score like a sixteen or I guess not 0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:36.879 a sixteen. I just don't play the last two holes 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:40.040 when I'm on a streak, you know, like a twenty 0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:42.439 or a twenty two or something like that. You might 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:46.040 actually have fun being a miniature golf pro. And there 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.600 are some serious courses out there for you to play 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.799 that are a couple of notches above your average putt 0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:54.399 putt course. 0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:56.799 I'd like to play one of those, would you. 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:58.319 I don't know, if I would have fun, I'd make 0:40:58.360 --> 0:40:59.000 a run club. 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.560 Should we talk about some of these famous courses? 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:08.240 Yeah? So, from what I can tell, the United States 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.560 is the home of miniature golf. It's the capital of 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.799 the miniature golf. I don't believe there's any country like 0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:16.799 I was looking at I was like, maybe Thailand is 0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:19.200 like even more into it than the United States. I 0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:21.480 don't think so. I think the United States is the 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:25.399 place that has the most miniature golf courses and has 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:28.719 probably the most paying customers for miniature golf courses. 0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:29.840 I could see Japan. 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.400 I could too, and I don't see anything like that. Yeah, 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:35.800 I didn't see anything like it. So the United States 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.640 is the home of miniature golf and the world capital 0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:42.759 of miniature golf. Then is Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, which 0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:46.080 is ironic that it's not North Carolina, but it's not everybody, I'm. 0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.200 Sorry, Yeah, I mean Myrtle Beach is sort of one 0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:51.040 of those classic old school beach towns that has all 0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:53.319 of the go karts and the bumper boats and the 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:58.120 mini golf. And they have one called Molten Mountain that's 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.120 pretty cool. Like you should go check out pictures to 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:01.520 some of these places. There are a lot of fun 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:05.959 that has a volcano, a working volcano that erupts every 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.880 half hour, and it's sort of an inside and an 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:12.280 out thing, like I think it's both indoors and outdoors, 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:13.640 right it is. 0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:15.839 Yeah, it's a pretty it's a pretty great one. And 0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.680 the whole volcano thing, they're not the only one that's 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.880 how nutso Myrtle Beaches, there's another one called Hawaiian Rumble 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.640 that also has a functioning volcano. Two And in fact, 0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:29.359 on Highway seventeen there's a thirty mile stretch of it 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:33.520 that goes through Myrtle Beach, where there's fifty more than 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.760 fifty miniature golf courses in a thirty mile stretch. 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.040 Yeah, through and I'm sure a lot of opinions on 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.200 which ones are good and which one stink. 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:45.239 Yep, there's one I want to go to in Palatine, Illinois. 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.880 I think it's a couple of these from Travel and Leisure. 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:53.840 Maybe this one's called algrim Acres alghri i m Acres. 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:57.479 It's in Palatine, Illinois, Illinois, and it's a funeral home, 0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:59.880 like for real in real life. 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:04.440 Yeah, like you know, they take care of dead bodies 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:08.240 and you can also play nine holes on their death 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:10.240 themed course in the basement. 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:12.759 In the basement. First of all, the basement of a 0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:15.480 funeral home is just creepy on its own. Yeah, But 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:19.560 a death themed miniature golf course in a funeral home 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:23.440 that actually functions, that's just downright interesting. 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:26.280 Yeah. There's this one in Las Vegas too, the kiss 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.960 themed one which I checked out on YouTube. I would 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.399 I would play this, even though it goes against two 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:36.520 things for me, which is not into indoor miniature golf. 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.560 I really would like to be outside and I think 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:40.280 Kiss sucks. 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:45.040 What I thought you were a Kiss fan. No, oh, man, 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:46.279 I thought you were a Kiss fan. 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.799 No, not a Kiss fan never. I mean, you know, 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:51.000 I get it, and I think it's kind of fun 0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:53.640 and funny. Sure, but I never thought Kiss was like 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:55.560 played good rock and roll songs. 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:57.280 Really, that's very surprising. 0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:58.879 I know Kiss fans are going to be so mad 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:00.600 at me for saying their music is not good. But 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.160 I mean there's a reason they dressed up and spit blood. 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:07.799 And stuff, so there's a But it's still it'd be 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.719 worth playing. I agree, No, it looked fun. The one 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:15.040 that I would actually travel to go play is called Parking. 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.640 It's in Lincolnshire, Illinois, so I probably go there and 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:20.720 then i'd dip down or dip up. I'm not sure 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:24.040 to Palatine to play at algam Akers. Okay, but Parking 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:28.200 is like exactly what it is. It's the pinnacle of 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:31.239 a miniature golf course. If you ask me, it's got 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:34.480 it all. It's difficult, and it has all of the 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:40.680 amazing obstacles and weird traps and functioning problems to figure 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.279 out that a miniature golf course should have. 0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:45.719 It looked pretty cool. I mean, I'm a putt putt guy, 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.200 but I was checking out pictures and stuff. I would go. 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:50.400 I would go to parking with you, for sure. 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.120 Okay, we'll go. It's going to be a summer trip 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:54.959 in twenty twenty two or three. 0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:55.680 Fantastic. 0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:59.399 And then if you want to play, so I think, chuck, 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:01.760 this one would be up your alley. It's called Golf 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.400 Gardens and on Catalina Island in. 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:05.840 SoCal Yeah, right up my alley. 0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:09.560 This one is like considered the hardest miniature golf course 0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:15.919 in the United States, not just because it's difficultly laid out, 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.120 but also because it's been played so much that's got 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.440 all sorts of weird notches and stuff that's not supposed 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:23.120 to be there in the playing surface, so that makes 0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.160 it all the more difficult, which is kind of neat. 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:25.719 I love that. 0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:27.839 And then if you want to go retro, I think 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.919 that one's been around a while, you can go down 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.320 to Florida and they have a historic mini golf trail 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:36.840 that takes you from a miniature golf course, a miniature 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:38.719 golf course, all of which have been around for at 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:44.240 least fifty years. Amazing, And if you like weird old 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:47.680 stuff that's not in use anymore. Look up abandoned miniature 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:50.799 golf courses. That's a fun thing to do. And since 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:52.600 I said it's a fun thing to do, everybody, that 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:54.000 means it's time for listener mail. 0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:58.680 All right, I'm gonna call this dad mail. Got this 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:00.839 very sweet email. I love. But when the famili's listen, 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:04.200 you know, M sure, especially when they're not. I mean, 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.080 I like families with young kids that listen, but I 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.680 also like it when the it's adults and then older 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:09.520 parents that are listening. 0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:10.680 Right. 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:13.000 Hey, guys, hope you're hanging in there. These are such 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.360 tricky times. I know you're I'm not the only listener 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:17.640 that turns to your show for a distraction, or a 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:20.640 soundtrack to washing dishes, or background noise while trying to run, 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.680 or just something that feels normal during these abnormal times. 0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:25.840 A couple of years ago, my now husband and I 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.200 took a road trip with my parents to stay with 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.920 my now in laws. As we pulled out of the driveway, 0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:32.480 we put on stuff you Should Know and spent the 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:35.279 entire journey sharing your catalog with them, and they were 0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:39.279 immediately hooked. My parents continue to love your podcast, but 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:41.759 every time my dad refers to it, he mixes up 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:45.600 the name. I love this stuff. So far, he's called 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:49.200 to you guys you should know. Sure, stuff you ought 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:54.680 to know, Yeah, things you need to know and stuff guys. 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:57.680 Stuff guys is that's a good nickname. 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.359 Lately he's just been referring to you as the guys podcast, 0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:02.960 which is close enough for me. 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:07.600 Eventually, we're just gonna get to the Yeah. 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:09.560 Thanks for all the amazing work and the thoughtful approach 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:12.840 you have to podcasting. So grateful to have multiple episodes 0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:15.719 to listen to every week. That is from Marabeth, and 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:18.200 she says, ps, I should add that the episode on 0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:23.520 fractals is now infamously nap inducing in my family, but 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:25.839 I blame the long stretch of highway on that. 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:29.480 Thank you. 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