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Speaker 1: in the new year with an easy select filled with

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Speaker 1: Chuck and Me reminiscing about our childhood memories of Putt

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Speaker 1: Pud and slush puppies. So for this week's Select, I

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Speaker 1: give you our August twenty twenty episode, a miniature golf

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Speaker 1: and want to take a moment to wish my dear wife, Yumy,

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Speaker 1: a happy birthday. So happy birthday, Yummy, And to you

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Speaker 1: dear listeners, Happy New Year.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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Speaker 1: there's Charles w Chuck Bryan over there, and there's Jerry

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Speaker 1: there figuring out all the new contrivances of modern life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we should tell people what's going on.

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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting, right, No, well, I'm gonna tell him. Fine,

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Speaker 2: So Jerry is figured out now how to operate the

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Speaker 1: It's pretty great. It's COVID terrific.

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Speaker 2: Actually, And so she was just up on our Skype

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Speaker 2: on video and she's still there. But when she switched

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Speaker 2: it to mute, it went to that distressing picture. Do

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Speaker 1: No, I just see JR. Like the letter J in

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Speaker 2: Oh see there she is. She's back.

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Speaker 2: When she turned it off, though, was I get a

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Speaker 1: This is a well that's just Jerry's look.

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Speaker 2: Maybe so, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's a diet of nothing but miso for fifteen twenty

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Speaker 2: The weirdest thing is this is as close as we've

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Speaker 1: I know. Not only is it like normal, it's almost

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Speaker 1: like a throwback. Remember when we had the studio where

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Speaker 1: that was great. It's kind of like this again. She

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: So this is stuff you should know everybody. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I said it. There are probably a few

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Speaker 1: people who are confused and aren't anymore. But we haven't

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Speaker 1: gotten started yet, so prepare to be confused again. When

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Speaker 2: Golf, I gotta ask, are you a fan.

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Speaker 1: Uh, this made me want to play again. Like I

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Speaker 2: Yes, and which style And as you as a listener

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Speaker 2: So I grew up playing putt putt at Stone Mountain Park,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, this is a pretty interesting history, I think.

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Speaker 2: But the upshot of this is that's why they created

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what we would call like a

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Speaker 2: Like I grew up playing golf and was not good,

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Speaker 2: I also love a fun little part three, Like Florida

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Speaker 2: like those words wherever you use to describe the Pinehurst outlook?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Two of the guys were some entrepreneurs named Drake

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Speaker 1: He sounds like he'll he'll shoot you.

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Speaker 2: He'll led Better.

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Speaker 2: There were I think about one hundred of those on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, miniature golf courses. But again though those were like

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Speaker 1: Actually there should be, there's there's so that kind of

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Speaker 1: There's a miniature golf course up there, and it makes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a you know, you sit in a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a there's a miniature golf course up there.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to play sometime when the whole pandemic passes totally.

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Speaker 2: everybody should go to see Ruby Falls in Rock City. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 2: it is a tourist trap, but it's actually kind of neat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the greatest of the great tourist traps and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get a pecan log Oh my god, those are

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Speaker 1: They are so good. That's what. That also supports my

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Speaker 2: Was that. I didn't know pecan logs were from way

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Speaker 2: So these people, Garnett and FRIEDA. Carter, they built a

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Speaker 2: they said, you know what, if you like golf, maybe

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Speaker 2: It'll kind of scratch that itch if you're not able

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And they used as they were building like the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we should mention too, we keep saying Rock City,

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Speaker 2: It's actually a very sweet natural wonder. It's caves that

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Speaker 1: It's huge boulders being held up by much much smaller boulders. Yea,

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Speaker 2: Like that's the weird part. It's like if Carlsbad Caverns

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Speaker 1: And then Ruby Falls is really neat too. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: is definitely worth going to. And then of course they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's if you've ever driven around the North Carolina

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Speaker 2: No, South of the Border is the name of this

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Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard of that.

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Speaker 2: like a glorified rest stop with that has a Mexican

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00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 2: theme where you can go, like, I don't know, see

441
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 2: mariachi band and eat good food and buy cheap Chokski's.

442
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: The only mariachi band in all of North Carolina.

443
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 2: But what made me think about it it might be

444
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 2: was that they have the same thing for like hundreds

445
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: of miles in any direction, for South of the Border

446
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: and Rock City. They're very famous for these billboards that

447
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 2: tell you like, oh, it's coming, You're getting closer, You're

448
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 2: getting closer.

449
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: That's really strange that I've never heard of that. Then, yeah,

450
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: South of the Border check it's not been paying attention.

451
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: So so the Carter's built like this Tom Thumb golf course.

452
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: And again, originally they just did this as kind of

453
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: an amenity their Fairyland Inn in Fairyland Club. But it

454
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: was such a smash hit and Garnet Carter was such

455
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: a born businessman that they were like, I think there

456
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: might be something to this, and they saw either they

457
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: saw it out or he sought them. I'm not quite

458
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: sure how it happened. But there was another guy who

459
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: really factors bigly into this whole story, but he's very

460
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: frequently overlooked, and his name is Thomas McCullough Fairburn. McCullough Fairburn. Yeah,

461
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: and he invented a really cheap and easy technique for

462
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: creating artificial putting greens that could be used for miniature

463
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 1: golf courses.

464
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was a crush cottonseed holes oil, you would

465
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: diet green and they would come in these big roles

466
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: and you just roll it over this foundation of sand

467
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: and boom. You've got an easy way basically to sort

468
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: of franchise these things with these prefab kit that they had,

469
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: and people loved it because it was you know, when

470
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: it was they called it midget golf for a little while,

471
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 2: not a term we would use today, but it's what

472
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 2: they called it in the nineteen twenties, right, And this

473
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 2: factors into a lot of stuff we've been talking about

474
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: with the nineteen twenties lately, just these weird fads that

475
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: would pop up, and tom Thumb golf was one of them.

476
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: It was. And part of the reason that it got

477
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: out from Lookout Mountain is because the Carters and Fairburn

478
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: kind of joined forces and used his technique for making

479
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: these greens very cheaply and used their kind of like

480
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: touch of whimsy, packaged it together and started selling it

481
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 1: prepackaged sets or prefabricated sets that could be franchised out

482
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: to anybody who wanted to start their own Tom Thumb

483
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: golf course. And so they spread really really quickly, and

484
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: like you were saying, like the twenties, they were just

485
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 1: looking for whatever craze could come along. Crossroad puzzles, dance marathon,

486
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: flag pole sitting. Well, apparently miniature golf was the king

487
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: of them all as far as the twenties crazes went.

488
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a pretty startling statistic. In August of

489
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty, the Commerce Department said that there were and

490
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: apparently this could be low by even as much as

491
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: half twenty five thousand twenty five thousand mini golf courses

492
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: in the US, half of which were built in that

493
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: previous six or eight months of the year.

494
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a boom right there.

495
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: Can you imagine like in eight months, like twelve to

496
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand many golf courses being built in the US.

497
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

498
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: I can just imagine Garnet and freeda carter just rolling

499
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: around on a bed of money in their suite at

500
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: the fairy Land in Yeah.

501
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: And I mean in a legit like job boosting market.

502
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Well that's another thing too, right, I mean,

503
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: like there was a like flagpole sitting didn't make the

504
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: transition into the depression, and dance marathons did, but they

505
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: got kind of grim apparently. Miniature golf and I've seen both,

506
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: but miniature golf seems to have made the transition from

507
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: twenties craze to you know, kind of national pastime. That

508
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: that made sense in the depression because you could take

509
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: your whole family out to play miniature golf for pretty cheap,

510
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: so that was a big attraction. And then also if

511
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: you were like a golf junkie, but all of a

512
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: sudden you didn't have the money to afford greens fees

513
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: any longer at the very least you could go play

514
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: some miniature golf somewhere. So it kind of scratched that

515
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: itch to a certain a certain degree. So there was

516
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: like a lot of popularity that even after the craze

517
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: kind of crested and waned a little bit, it's still

518
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: carried on pretty pretty thoroughly through the nineteen thirties. And

519
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, Chuck, some people were like

520
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: that Tom Thumb Golf, the official franchise Tom Thumb Golf,

521
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: it's a little rich for my blood. What else she

522
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: got for me?

523
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, why can't we just do this?

524
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly. Local entrepreneurs were like, I got exactly

525
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: the thing, buddy, you want to play half priced miniature golf,

526
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: come on in.

527
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: Like I've got a bunch of PVC pipe playing around.

528
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: Yeah or yeah. So just basically whatever found objects you

529
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: could find, you could you could come across what we're

530
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: called rinky dink miniature golf courses that were basically knockoff

531
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: Tom Thumb courses that used whatever found objects the person

532
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: who built it head lying around.

533
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, New York had about one hundred and fifty of them. Washington,

534
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: DC had thirty. One of those is still around the

535
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: East Potomac Park course. Yeah, and yeah, the whole family

536
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: could get involved. And I think one of the keys

537
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: then and now to mini golf being popular and then

538
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: putt putt, which we'll see here in a minute, is

539
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: that you don't even have to like golf at all.

540
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: You can hate golf and still go do putt putt

541
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: and probably have a good time.

542
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as you don't take it too seriously.

543
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Don't take it too seriously. Please don't just really don't

544
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: be that guy. That's what it's for. You want to

545
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: take a break in the talk put putt? Yes, okay,

546
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: let's do that. Everybody definitely should know.

547
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: Y s K as what why s K?

548
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: You should know?

549
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: Are we there?

550
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Who me?

551
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: Are we there are?

552
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: But I thought you said are you there? I'm like, yeah,

553
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm here. We are there, chuck, because let me set

554
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: the set the table here? Are you ready?

555
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm hungry.

556
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: America got a little burned out on miniature golf, especially

557
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: the tom thumb and rinkyding varieties, and so a lot

558
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: of it died out, but some remained, some hopped along,

559
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: some are still around today actually, and by the nineteen fifties,

560
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: there was a guy who was playing at one of

561
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: these courses in Fayetteville, North Carolina, which remember was the

562
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: home of miniature golf in the United States. North Carolina

563
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: is and he happened to have just gotten a prescription

564
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: from his doctor saying, you're about to have a nervous breakdown.

565
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: I prescribe you a month's rest from work. And this guy,

566
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: Don Clayton, said, can do and he started playing miniature golf,

567
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: but he wasn't quite satisfied with it.

568
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I imagine if you were on the verge of

569
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: a nervous breakdown, then Tom Thumb golf is a nice

570
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: salve for that kind of experience.

571
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: Sure, if you're charmed by all the whimsical stuff.

572
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: And you don't take it too seriously.

573
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: Right from what I understand though, Don Clayton was like,

574
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: this whimsy sucks. We need something better than this, and

575
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: I think I'm just the person to build it.

576
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he had the idea to to basically make

577
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: miniature golf but without all the garbage, no clown's mouths,

578
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: no windmills, and have a little like have a little

579
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: skill involved, like you can go out there and if

580
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: you're like a good putter, you can actually compete and

581
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: have a good time and it's still for fun, but

582
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: it's just not a silly kids game anymore.

583
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, anybody who's been to an actual putt putt

584
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: course can tell you that it's I mean, there's a

585
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: lot of obstacles, and it's interesting and fun and there's

586
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 1: some neat stuff, but it does it just does not

587
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: have all of like the the moving bells and whistles

588
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: that you're gonna see on like other kinds of miniature golf,

589
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: like goofy golf.

590
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: Like the obstacles are usually just like some blocks in

591
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: the way and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, like around

592
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: or bank.

593
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: Elevated elevated rhombuses or things like that, or like a labyrinth,

594
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, built into it. It's not like a clown

595
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: mouth or anything like that, which is kind of like

596
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: the go to description for goofy golf, isn't it really?

597
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think like the craziest thing you'll see

598
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: on a putt putt course is where you those that

599
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: are like two levels and you can hit it into

600
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: three different holes at the top and you're like you

601
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: kind of take a little bit of a gamble as

602
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: to where it's going to come out on the bottom. Sure,

603
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: it'll either come out close to the hole, so you

604
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: can get that part two, and I think they're all

605
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: part twos on a real putt putt course, right, or

606
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: it'll spit you out way far away. But you still

607
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: have a chance to hit that long putt for the two.

608
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: Sure, there's always a chance for you a second chance

609
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: at putt putt.

610
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: I think that was the motto.

611
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, But so this was Don Clayton's vision. He

612
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: was like, I want to make this a little less goofy.

613
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: I want to make it a little more interesting and.

614
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 2: Skillful, less goofy, more golfy.

615
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, chuck man, he just sat up from his

616
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: grave going I wish I'd thought of that as he did. Yeah,

617
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: he died in nineteen nine, Okay, but he had a

618
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: good run. I mean, this is nineteen fifty four when

619
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: he was a twenty eight year old man that he

620
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: decided to try this. So he went to his dad

621
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I've got this. I've got this idea

622
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: rather than basically, as a New York Times obituary put it,

623
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: rather than basically making a human sized pinball machine for golf.

624
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: We're going to make this a little more interesting. How

625
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: about we cobble together fifty two hundred bucks and we're

626
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: going to build our own little miniature golf course. And

627
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: he did, and like a shaded little lot. And with

628
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: that fifty two hundred dollars, they opened for business and

629
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: within twenty nine days he and his father had made

630
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of their investment back. And Don Clayton said,

631
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: I think there might be something to this whole thing.

632
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he he was initially going to call it.

633
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: He went to the bank to open a business account

634
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: and he had to fill out the paperwork and he

635
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: was going to call it the Shady Veil Golf Course.

636
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is hilarious.

637
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: As the story goes, he didn't know how to spell vail.

638
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: I guess if it was va il or va l e.

639
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: So he just said, uh, putt putt and wrote down putt.

640
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: But it wasn't something he brainstormed. Apparently, it was just

641
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: sort of on a whim. Yeah, and it's a name

642
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: that really really stuck. It's kind of brilliant and it's simplicity,

643
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: I think divine inspiration.

644
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: It almost feels like did that. It just kind of

645
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: happened on a whim. That's just absolutely great. But he

646
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: started to kind of build the whole thing into like

647
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: this enormous industry pretty quickly because he was right. You know,

648
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: there's I did the math. If they made their fifty

649
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars back in twenty nine days, that means

650
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: that over that month they had twenty thousand, eight hundred

651
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: paying customers. It was a quarter game, twenty five cents

652
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: a game. Yeah, that's a lot of And so when

653
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: they really got together and started putt putt like they

654
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: he was right. He was onto something and it started

655
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: to take off pretty quickly. Apparently had its peak when

656
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: you and I were going to putt putt. They were

657
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: they had something like two hundred and fifty six courses

658
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: throughout the world, mostly in the US and Canada, but

659
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: also in Australia and South Africa and New Zealand, and

660
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: it was it was definitely a thing. Like you said,

661
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: all of the holes were part twos, right.

662
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this was just to be clear, two fifty

663
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: six didn't sound like a lot compared to the fifty

664
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: thousand that they had in the nineteen thirties. But this

665
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: was his his own putt putt golfing games franchise. There

666
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: was plenty of more putt putt going on in the

667
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: United States than that.

668
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, yeah, like knockoff putt putt right.

669
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the one in Stowe Mountain Park wasn't a

670
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: putt putt golfing games. It was just putt putt, but

671
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: it was it was great.

672
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: It's called Tap Tap.

673
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 2: They also had trail skate across from the Putt Putt

674
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 2: which was a roller skating trail through the woods. What. Yeah,

675
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: it was like this two mile paved you know, just

676
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: basically like a big paved sidewalk through the woods, and

677
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: they rented roller skates and you just skate through the woods.

678
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: It was really cool, man, that's awesome.

679
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: Country folk just have some of the best ideas for businesses,

680
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

681
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: I didn't think of it as country folk, but I

682
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: guess it kind.

683
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: Of wash roller skating through the woods this country, I

684
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: guess it is. That's like Dolly Parton level country.

685
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're all part twos and it is. It

686
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: is tough. It's challenging. Apparently, in the sixty five year

687
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: history of putt putt. There have only been three perfect

688
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: games where you walk away with a score of eighteen,

689
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: which is that's really tough to do.

690
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: I mean, like of the millions and millions of games

691
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: of putt putt that people have played, only three people

692
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: have ever ever gotten a perfect game, which kind of

693
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: shows you how like deceptively hard card a putt putt courses,

694
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, like each one of those, each one of

695
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: those courses made of I think they have something like

696
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: one hundred and eight trademarked holes or like lanes I

697
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: think is what they're called a miniature golf to where

698
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: you can just kind of take them and reconfigure them

699
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: into different different configurations. But they have one hundred and

700
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: eight total, and I guess each one of them is very,

701
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: very difficult. I don't ever remember getting a perfect game,

702
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: or even imagining that I was going to get a

703
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: perfect game.

704
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: Now, im you get two or three holes in one

705
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: and that's a good day for sure.

706
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: So eighteen. There's actually a short I think seven and

707
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: a half minute grant Land documentary on the most recent

708
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: perfect put putt game by a guy named Rick Baird,

709
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: who had his perfect game in twenty eleven.

710
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the tension on Hoole eighteen.

711
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: They capture it really well in this in this documentary.

712
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: It's really well done. They've got like a cartoon version

713
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: of him putting, and he's got like cartoon sweat just

714
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: running down his faith. Oh man, really great. So nervous. Yeah,

715
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: it was very nervous, and he did it. And he's

716
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: actually a miniature golf pro in his spare time, which

717
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: we'll talk about later. But there's So he's from Charlotte,

718
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: Don Clayton was from Fayetteville, and then Joseph Barber was

719
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: from Pinehurst. So it seems pretty clear that North Carolina

720
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: is the ancestral home of miniature golfer at least the

721
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: spiritual home of miniature golf in the world. Frankly, I'm

722
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: just going to say it, in the world.

723
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you're looking for the creators of the

724
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: kind of mechanized courses, you can go to nineteen fifty

725
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 2: five and Scranton, PA with Ralph and al Loma. Previous

726
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 2: to this, you know, you had the Putt Putt, which

727
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: just had the sort of regular obstacles. You had the

728
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: tom Thumb, which had kind of more outrageous whimsy, but

729
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: still things weren't moving, and these are the guys that

730
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: brought in these rotating windmill blades or ramps that moved

731
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: back and forth, and they really kind of kicked that

732
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: to the next level. And they, you know, they went

733
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: into business big time. They started mass producing these things,

734
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: like the actual components, and sold a ton of them

735
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: all over the world.

736
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like five thousand courses, Yeah, which is

737
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. They're the ones who came up with what

738
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: we think of now as like miniature golf and goofy

739
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: golf with the moving stuff, not a fan, the clown mouth,

740
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: don't forget the clown mouth that opens and closes or yeah,

741
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: like you say, a windmill. So it's kind of interesting

742
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: that Don Clayton brought miniature golf back to its roots

743
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: of being a lot more like regular golf, and then

744
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: very shortly after that branched off the Lomas who brought

745
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: it back to that Tom thumb roots. So that whole thing,

746
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: the evolution of miniature golf happened twice in just the

747
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 1: same way.

748
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: That interesting, Yeah, and it also came back full circle

749
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: in the nineties with a return to the sort of

750
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: that original miniature golf because real golfers, people like Jack

751
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: Nicholas started to get involved. I'm sure there were dollar signs,

752
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 2: you know, in his eyes. Sure, but he also probably

753
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: loved it. I don't want to be cynical, but I'm

754
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: sure he made some money. But they have competitions, you know,

755
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: there are actual prize purses. There is a US Pro

756
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 2: Mini Golf Association. They have their own Little US Open.

757
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: I don't think they call it the Little US Open.

758
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: They should, They totally should. There's the World Mini Golf

759
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: Sports Federation in Germany and they sort of are the

760
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: body that standardizes the obstacles and stuff like that. I

761
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: guess what you can have and what you can't have, yeah,

762
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: which is kind of funny when you think about it.

763
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: It is, but it's a pretty interesting list. You're like, oh,

764
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: that'd be tough. Oh that's hard, the slope circle with

765
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: a v obstac Yeah, it's just plain difficult. And I

766
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: think they should call it the teeny Weenie US Open.

767
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the teeny Weenie That's open.

768
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: I was looking at the US Pro Mini Golf Association's

769
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: website and there was a Tennessee State Open, and man,

770
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: the picture that they have of that course. It looks serious, dude.

771
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

772
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: So like if you go to put putt and you

773
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: always were like, I love this. This is so challenging.

774
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: I can score like a sixteen or I guess not

775
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: a sixteen. I just don't play the last two holes

776
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: when I'm on a streak, you know, like a twenty

777
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: or a twenty two or something like that. You might

778
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: actually have fun being a miniature golf pro. And there

779
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: are some serious courses out there for you to play

780
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: that are a couple of notches above your average putt

781
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: putt course.

782
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: I'd like to play one of those, would you.

783
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, if I would have fun, I'd make

784
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: a run club.

785
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: Should we talk about some of these famous courses?

786
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? So, from what I can tell, the United States

787
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: is the home of miniature golf. It's the capital of

788
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: the miniature golf. I don't believe there's any country like

789
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: I was looking at I was like, maybe Thailand is

790
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: like even more into it than the United States. I

791
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: don't think so. I think the United States is the

792
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: place that has the most miniature golf courses and has

793
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: probably the most paying customers for miniature golf courses.

794
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: I could see Japan.

795
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: I could too, and I don't see anything like that. Yeah,

796
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything like it. So the United States

797
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: is the home of miniature golf and the world capital

798
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: of miniature golf. Then is Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, which

799
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: is ironic that it's not North Carolina, but it's not everybody, I'm.

800
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, I mean Myrtle Beach is sort of one

801
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: of those classic old school beach towns that has all

802
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: of the go karts and the bumper boats and the

803
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: mini golf. And they have one called Molten Mountain that's

804
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: pretty cool. Like you should go check out pictures to

805
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: some of these places. There are a lot of fun

806
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 2: that has a volcano, a working volcano that erupts every

807
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: half hour, and it's sort of an inside and an

808
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 2: out thing, like I think it's both indoors and outdoors,

809
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: right it is.

810
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty it's a pretty great one. And

811
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: the whole volcano thing, they're not the only one that's

812
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: how nutso Myrtle Beaches, there's another one called Hawaiian Rumble

813
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: that also has a functioning volcano. Two And in fact,

814
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: on Highway seventeen there's a thirty mile stretch of it

815
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: that goes through Myrtle Beach, where there's fifty more than

816
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: fifty miniature golf courses in a thirty mile stretch.

817
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, through and I'm sure a lot of opinions on

818
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: which ones are good and which one stink.

819
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: Yep, there's one I want to go to in Palatine, Illinois.

820
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a couple of these from Travel and Leisure.

821
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: Maybe this one's called algrim Acres alghri i m Acres.

822
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 1: It's in Palatine, Illinois, Illinois, and it's a funeral home,

823
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: like for real in real life.

824
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know, they take care of dead bodies

825
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: and you can also play nine holes on their death

826
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: themed course in the basement.

827
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: In the basement. First of all, the basement of a

828
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: funeral home is just creepy on its own. Yeah, But

829
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: a death themed miniature golf course in a funeral home

830
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: that actually functions, that's just downright interesting.

831
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's this one in Las Vegas too, the kiss

832
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: themed one which I checked out on YouTube. I would

833
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: I would play this, even though it goes against two

834
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: things for me, which is not into indoor miniature golf.

835
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: I really would like to be outside and I think

836
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 2: Kiss sucks.

837
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: What I thought you were a Kiss fan. No, oh, man,

838
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: I thought you were a Kiss fan.

839
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: No, not a Kiss fan never. I mean, you know,

840
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: I get it, and I think it's kind of fun

841
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: and funny. Sure, but I never thought Kiss was like

842
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: played good rock and roll songs.

843
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: Really, that's very surprising.

844
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 2: I know Kiss fans are going to be so mad

845
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: at me for saying their music is not good. But

846
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean there's a reason they dressed up and spit blood.

847
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: And stuff, so there's a But it's still it'd be

848
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: worth playing. I agree, No, it looked fun. The one

849
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: that I would actually travel to go play is called Parking.

850
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: It's in Lincolnshire, Illinois, so I probably go there and

851
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: then i'd dip down or dip up. I'm not sure

852
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: to Palatine to play at algam Akers. Okay, but Parking

853
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: is like exactly what it is. It's the pinnacle of

854
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: a miniature golf course. If you ask me, it's got

855
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: it all. It's difficult, and it has all of the

856
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: amazing obstacles and weird traps and functioning problems to figure

857
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: out that a miniature golf course should have.

858
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: It looked pretty cool. I mean, I'm a putt putt guy,

859
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: but I was checking out pictures and stuff. I would go.

860
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: I would go to parking with you, for sure.

861
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll go. It's going to be a summer trip

862
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two or three.

863
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: Fantastic.

864
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: And then if you want to play, so I think, chuck,

865
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: this one would be up your alley. It's called Golf

866
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: Gardens and on Catalina Island in.

867
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: SoCal Yeah, right up my alley.

868
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: This one is like considered the hardest miniature golf course

869
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 1: in the United States, not just because it's difficultly laid out,

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Speaker 1: but also because it's been played so much that's got

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Speaker 1: all sorts of weird notches and stuff that's not supposed

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Speaker 1: to be there in the playing surface, so that makes

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Speaker 1: it all the more difficult, which is kind of neat.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: And then if you want to go retro, I think

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Speaker 1: that one's been around a while, you can go down

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Speaker 1: to Florida and they have a historic mini golf trail

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Speaker 1: that takes you from a miniature golf course, a miniature

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Speaker 1: golf course, all of which have been around for at

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Speaker 1: least fifty years. Amazing, And if you like weird old

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Speaker 1: stuff that's not in use anymore. Look up abandoned miniature

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Speaker 1: golf courses. That's a fun thing to do. And since

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Speaker 1: I said it's a fun thing to do, everybody, that

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Speaker 1: means it's time for listener mail.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna call this dad mail. Got this

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Speaker 2: very sweet email. I love. But when the famili's listen,

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Speaker 2: you know, M sure, especially when they're not. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I like families with young kids that listen, but I

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Speaker 2: also like it when the it's adults and then older

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Speaker 2: parents that are listening.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, hope you're hanging in there. These are such

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Speaker 2: tricky times. I know you're I'm not the only listener

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Speaker 2: that turns to your show for a distraction, or a

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Speaker 2: soundtrack to washing dishes, or background noise while trying to run,

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Speaker 2: or just something that feels normal during these abnormal times.

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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, my now husband and I

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Speaker 2: took a road trip with my parents to stay with

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Speaker 2: my now in laws. As we pulled out of the driveway,

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Speaker 2: we put on stuff you Should Know and spent the

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Speaker 2: entire journey sharing your catalog with them, and they were

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Speaker 2: immediately hooked. My parents continue to love your podcast, but

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Speaker 2: every time my dad refers to it, he mixes up

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Speaker 2: the name. I love this stuff. So far, he's called

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Speaker 2: to you guys you should know. Sure, stuff you ought

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Speaker 2: to know, Yeah, things you need to know and stuff guys.

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Speaker 1: Stuff guys is that's a good nickname.

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Speaker 2: Lately he's just been referring to you as the guys podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is close enough for me.

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Speaker 1: Eventually, we're just gonna get to the Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for all the amazing work and the thoughtful approach

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Speaker 2: you have to podcasting. So grateful to have multiple episodes

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Speaker 2: to listen to every week. That is from Marabeth, and

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Speaker 2: she says, ps, I should add that the episode on

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Speaker 2: fractals is now infamously nap inducing in my family, but

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Speaker 2: I blame the long stretch of highway on that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That was very kind of you, nice say,

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Speaker 1: really pulled it out at the end there. Who is

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Speaker 1: that Marabeth?

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you want to be like Marabeth and get

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Speaker 1: in touch with us, we would appreciate that. Right now.

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Speaker 1: You can send it to us via email. It's the

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Speaker 1: best way to reach us at Stuff Podcast at iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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