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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and at sport Or chief Greg Bovino

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Speaker 1: spoke alongside Neo Nazis a pro fascism summit. We have

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Speaker 1: such a great Joe for you today. To the contraries,

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Speaker 1: Charlie Sike steps by to talk about Trump wanting out

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Speaker 1: of Iran and his slush fund. Then we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: comedian rosebud Baker about how Trump has changed America and

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Speaker 1: her new memoir Half Baked. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Mollie.

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Speaker 3: Senator John Thune is worried about Donald Trump's obsession with revenge.

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Speaker 3: It's like poetry to me, just amazing.

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Speaker 1: I actually think that John Tune is more worried about

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's Marie Antoinette style renovations of the District of

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Speaker 1: Columbia because every time that Susie Wilds says we're going

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Speaker 1: to keep Donald Trump late focused on affordability, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: comes out and talks about the ballroom remodel, or the

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Speaker 1: slush fund, or the reflecting pool, or the triumphal arch

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Speaker 1: or the giant amphitheater that he's building. Behind the White

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Speaker 1: House or the East Wing or the Want Want Wall

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Speaker 1: or the Kennedy Center. I mean, Donald Trump does not

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Speaker 1: seem focused on making things cheaper for the American people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to say, remember that quote he had

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Speaker 3: where he said, I don't think about the American people.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't think about the midterms.

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Speaker 3: Well he said that too. There was the other things,

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Speaker 3: like he doesn't think about the gas and the prices

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Speaker 3: and affordability. You know, it's really riggs true in his

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Speaker 1: So Donald Trump laser focused.

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Speaker 3: On not you, Molly Elon Muskin goals. He's been light

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Speaker 3: marked for years. He says, oh, by twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 3: we're going to fucking Pluto and all these ridiculous things.

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Speaker 2: He didn't actually say Pluto, but you know, I'm man

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Speaker 3: So the New York Times decided to count his goals

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Speaker 3: at how many he actually hit. How bad do you

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Speaker 3: think it went?

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Speaker 1: This is such a good piece from the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: Good for them. It's the kind of like thing that

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Speaker 1: you just have to You have to have a lot

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Speaker 1: God's work here. So Elon Musk has laid out six

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Speaker 1: and in case you're wondering, he basically is just full

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Speaker 1: like this. So, of this six hundred goals that mister

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Speaker 1: Musk has made, he's achieved what he said he would

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Speaker 1: about nineteen percent of the time, and about thirty five

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Speaker 1: percent of the time he was late, sometimes by years,

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Speaker 1: So who even knows in thirteen percent of just never happening.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, the thing that's interesting about this is

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Speaker 1: certainly make him significantly richer. And part of the Elon

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Speaker 1: We're going to do that. He says stuff that will

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Speaker 1: So again, like I think it's important when you think

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a very similart liar, and some of

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Speaker 1: the stuff he says is actually really thought out.

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Speaker 3: So one of the fun things about Mecca is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, interesting that a lot of these people are

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's former National security advisor was now making one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is dead on.

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Speaker 3: So where you've been seeing a pattern here with this administration,

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Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like, it's so upsetting to me

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Speaker 1: And you know this ministry is anti anti racism because

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Speaker 3: Are, right, yeah, and I think you know, as we

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think also more importantly is that when

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Speaker 1: hurting people who are other racist or other genders because

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Speaker 1: they're racist. Charlie Sykes is the author of the Newsletter

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Speaker 1: to the Contrary and the book How That Right Lost

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Speaker 1: Its Mind. Welcome, Welcome, Charlie.

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Speaker 2: Sike's good to be back.

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Speaker 1: I knew the slush fund was going to die when

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Speaker 1: I started reading the reporting about it that said that

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Speaker 1: this was all the idea of Boris Chef's time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great minds.

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Speaker 1: Did you think that too?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And that was that was that was a tell

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Speaker 2: when you see that who was the who is the

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Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz behind this brilliant idea, and and you

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Speaker 2: know what could possibly go wrong, Absolutely everything in the courts,

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I think Mike Pence on the Sunday

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Speaker 1: Pence is a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Good for Mike Pence saying these things. Now, you know,

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Speaker 2: He hasn't actually said that yet, right, And apparently he's

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Speaker 2: immunity from any sort of IRS scrutiny, which strikes me as,

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Speaker 2: if anything, even more corrupt and more lawless.

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Speaker 1: So but clearly, you when you're looking at this, you

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Speaker 1: see that clearly Donald Trump has something when it comes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm guessing that that also is ultimately not going

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Speaker 2: says the president cannot say, I want the irs to

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Thomas and Alito will sign off,

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Speaker 1: to do what Donald Trump wants, which makes him very mad.

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Speaker 1: I do think the sloppiness of the way this is,

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Speaker 2: Well, there's the slappiness and also the arrogance and the insolerity.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is what happens when you get this

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Speaker 2: Boris Epstein, and they come up with great ideas. I

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Speaker 2: good idea, let's you know, and then you walk out

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Speaker 2: But I'm good on resistance, but also just just a

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Speaker 1: And that's a really good point. I think the two

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Speaker 1: if people push back, he loses and he'll give up,

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Speaker 1: which is a good sign and probably gonna have to

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Speaker 1: happen around the midterms too, right, Like Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: which is they want to pass a law saying that

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Speaker 2: Right, I think they ought to do that, and even

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Speaker 2: course we haven't gotten the Epstein files, but I think

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Speaker 2: they need to keep pushing all of this. I think

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Speaker 2: one of the things that Democrats have hit on, and

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Speaker 2: I've been critical of democratic messaging and strategy, it does

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Speaker 2: it's all about the corruption. Stupid And I've just heard

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Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of escape patches. There's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, look she is. It's not just

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Speaker 2: of course, Barry Weissberry Weiss is doing what David Ellison

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Speaker 2: wants her to do, and David Ellison is doing what

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump wants him.

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Speaker 1: To do, what his dad and Donald Trump wants right.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, Steve Croft, the legendary correspondent you know,

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Speaker 2: said last week that Hilly's wondered what would happen to

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Speaker 2: sixty minutes after he left, but he never thought it

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Speaker 2: would be executed by the President of the United States.

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Speaker 2: But what Weiss is doing is so ham handed. She

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Speaker 2: has gone through these bloodbaths, firing the key people, trying

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Speaker 2: to pretend that they're updating sixty minutes, when everybody who

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Speaker 2: knows anything about it sees they're gutting sixty minutes. They're

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Speaker 2: murdering it. But you're referring to what happened on Monday,

447
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Speaker 2: where Scott Pelley stands up at this meeting. They bring

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Speaker 2: in this guy, Nick Bilton, who is this cocky, arrogant,

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Speaker 2: you know, guy who has no experience in broadcast management,

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Speaker 2: who is saying shit like, you know, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to keep sixty minutes under glass. We're going to do

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Speaker 2: all this. He walks into this meeting with a prepared statement,

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Speaker 2: bagels in a prepared statement, right, and Pelly basically says,

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Speaker 2: you've come into our house. I have some questions for you,

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Speaker 2: and just goes at him. And what this tells me

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Speaker 2: is the Scott Pelley and crew they're all out of

457
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Speaker 2: f's to give. They're willing to burn all the bridges,

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Speaker 2: all the boats. They're prepared to be fired or to resign.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder at what point Barry Weiss and Nick

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Speaker 2: Bilton realized that, you know, they've made a bad life choice.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they have the cash. I think that the

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Speaker 2: real positive thing was the folks from CBS are just

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Speaker 2: not rolling over, They're not appeasing. They're going to fight back.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to go quietly. And I'm hoping that

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Speaker 2: you know that other people in the media will go,

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Speaker 2: all right, maybe we should stand up to you know

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Speaker 2: that that resistance actually works and probably and also fuel

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Speaker 2: it does, but it also does.

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Speaker 1: I mean we've been seeing this again and again, right,

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Speaker 1: like with the slush fund with you know, when you

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Speaker 1: stand up to Trump, it works with Trump one point,

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Speaker 1: Oh was a whole example of people standing up to

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Speaker 1: him and him backing down.

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Speaker 2: Trump too, right.

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Speaker 1: Has been craven billionaires being like okay, mister Trump. But

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Speaker 1: Minneapolis is a great example of like, if Americans stand

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Speaker 1: up for themselves and each other, then they survive this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I I thought that was really remarkable that

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Speaker 2: that does, you know, Pelly, And again, you know, I

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Speaker 2: know some people are saying, you know that, you know

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Speaker 2: that well, I'm not gonna even go into that, you know,

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Speaker 2: some of the critics, but Scott Pelly, you know, by

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Speaker 2: you know, taking on why so bluntly and basically telling

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Speaker 2: this guy he's never going to be welcome and Andy,

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's the guy he's saying, and he basically says,

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Speaker 2: Barry Wise has no qualifications for her job, and you

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Speaker 2: don't have any qualifications for this job. This is somebody

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Speaker 2: who is willing to walk away from my job. That

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Speaker 2: probably pays him five million dollars a year, so it's

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Speaker 2: not like it's not like he is not willing to

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Speaker 2: lay at all on the line. And so I thought

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Speaker 2: that was really a remarkable moment because we've almost gotten

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Speaker 2: used to watching one, you know, media entity after another rollover.

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Speaker 2: And we're only a couple of months away from, you know,

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Speaker 2: the White House Correspondence dinner where they were going to

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Speaker 2: have Donald Trump as the as the guest of honor.

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Speaker 2: By the way, there was all that talk they were

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Speaker 2: going to reschedule that. Did smarter folks prevail?

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Speaker 1: I pray that they did, because I think we we

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Speaker 1: did it with that one. But I do. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a really good point. And I also think, look,

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Speaker 1: CBS exists because of the people who work there, and

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Speaker 1: those people can leave, you know, it is not they

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Speaker 1: can go to YouTube, they can start their own thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we're saying with Colbert, like the

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Speaker 1: talent was the point, not the network. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't if you are a talent, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to do stuff you don't believe in, like people will

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Speaker 1: come with you. You don't have to ruin yourself.

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Speaker 2: That's the new era. But I also think what's so

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Speaker 2: interesting about the sixty minute story is, look, you do

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Speaker 2: have you know, linear television and secular decline, right right,

513
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Speaker 2: But sixty minutes is the is the aberration because it

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Speaker 2: has maintained huge ratings, it is doing you know, massively

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Speaker 2: well online. So this is one of the very very

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Speaker 2: few things that you can look and go, well, that's

517
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Speaker 2: not broke. Okay, all of these other problems that may

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Speaker 2: or may not be fixable, but sixty minutes, sixty year old,

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Speaker 2: you know, crowned jewel of the network. And it was interesting.

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Speaker 2: You know Anderson Cooper. I'm sure you saw Anderson Cooper's

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Speaker 2: last program, which was incredibly classy, and he's sort of

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Speaker 2: appealed to CBS to you know, recognize what you have here,

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Speaker 2: don't do anything about it. He was not insulting, he

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Speaker 2: was not confrontational. Apparently, Barry Weiss was absolutely livid about that,

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Speaker 2: was absolutely furious about that, and has fired some of

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Speaker 2: the producers involved in that. If she is so thin

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Speaker 2: skinned that Anderson Cooper's very mild, very classy farewell triggered her,

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Speaker 2: imagine imagine how she's bouncing off the walls this morning.

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Speaker 2: Now that we know what Scott Pelly was saying, because

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Speaker 2: I mean it was bad enough, you know, at their

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Speaker 2: bagels and cream She's meeting on Monday. But when that

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Speaker 2: audio tape got leaked Aliver Darcy, this is one of

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Speaker 2: the most confrontational, you know, meetings that I've ever even

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Speaker 2: heard of. You can imagine what the reaction is going

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 1: And leaked a met immediately, like I mean, by two o'clock,

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Speaker 1: every outlet was running the store. So and it's and

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Speaker 1: this happened to ten. But I think it's a really

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Speaker 1: good point. And I think that, uh, it is cool

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Speaker 1: to see people standing up for themselves and each other

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Speaker 1: and for the and for what's right. And you know,

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Speaker 1: people want that. They don't want what trump Ism is.

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Speaker 1: They don't want the fox. You're not going to change

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Speaker 1: hearts and mind. You're not going to get them at

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Speaker 1: this point, I think people know what they see here.

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Speaker 2: You know. So in my newsletter on Tuesday, ask at

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Speaker 2: what point did Nick Bilton, standing up there in front

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Speaker 2: of that that group, realize that he's made a very

549
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Speaker 2: very bad life choice, that that he he's going to

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Speaker 2: be in that that asterisk character where people like Chris

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Speaker 2: licked you know who are brought in to run. Does

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Speaker 2: anybody remember Chris Licked? Probably everyone's already forgotten him. Remember

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Speaker 2: he was going to be the wonder kind who turned

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Speaker 2: around CNN and he made a complete ass of himself.

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Speaker 2: And now it's like you you don't want to be

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Speaker 2: Chris Licked and this guy is going to be people

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Speaker 2: and you don't want to be Nick Bilton. It's not

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Speaker 2: gonna end.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because Chris lick t had me on

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Speaker 1: the no He put me on the no fly zone

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Speaker 1: at CNN as like you're not an okay guest, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's it. So I planned to dine

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Speaker 1: out on that. Charlie Sykes, I hope you'll come.

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Speaker 2: Back anytime, anytime, just don't put me on the no

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Speaker 2: fly list.

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Speaker 1: Rosebud Baker is a stand up comedian, former SNL writer,

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Speaker 1: and the author of Half Baked. Welcome, Welcome, Rosebud, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me, Thanks for coming on, and you

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Speaker 1: have a special stand up special And then also, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're always looking for people who can talk about politics

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Speaker 1: but who are also who are also interesting and funny,

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Speaker 1: and you wrote weekend updates, So tell us how you

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Speaker 1: got to like comedian and politics, just get us there

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Speaker 1: for a minute. So I started.

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Speaker 4: I moved to New York to be an actor, and

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Speaker 4: I think, like most actors, was like, oh, this is

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Speaker 4: not great, you know. I was like, this isn't working

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Speaker 4: out too well, and wit acting. Took a year figure

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Speaker 4: out what I was going to do with my life.

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Speaker 4: And while I took that year to figure out what

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Speaker 4: I was going to do with my life, I started

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Speaker 4: doing stand up as like a fun side quest. And

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Speaker 4: then cut to like four years later, I was putting

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Speaker 4: my day job. I got my first TV gig and

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Speaker 4: got this like festival New Faces Festival New Faces in Comedy,

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Speaker 4: which is like part of the Just for Last Festival,

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Speaker 4: and it was like a major thing for comedians to get.

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Speaker 4: So I got that and then just started working, you know,

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Speaker 4: started touring. I was opening for Amy Schumer, was writing

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Speaker 4: for The Stan Michael Jay, then wrote for that last

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Speaker 4: season of Inside Amy Shumer. And then while I was

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Speaker 4: writing for Inside Amy, I got a call from SNL

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Speaker 4: asking if I'd be interested in writing there and was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't know who's like been keeping that information from you,

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Speaker 4: but yes, I would love to wrote there as a

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Speaker 4: sketchwriter for three years. In my last year there, he

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Speaker 4: wrote the news, writing, yeah, weekend update jokes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the real fake news. So yeah, and we are

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the real fake news at this

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Speaker 1: very moment. You are. There's so much like re litigating

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Speaker 1: of the twenty four cycle. You know, you were in

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Speaker 1: that writing about that. I'm wondering. It does strike me

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Speaker 1: that everything is sort of like is a v bor

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Speaker 1: is a house of cards?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely. We definitely entered satire territory, you know,

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Speaker 4: where like real life is more like satire than satire itself.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to satirize something that is already satirical, like

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Speaker 4: by its nature.

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Speaker 2: So I look at.

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Speaker 4: Everything from a lens of like what's going to be

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Speaker 4: good for comedy? And I got to be honest, like

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Speaker 4: when Trump got elected again, I thought, oh damn, here

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Speaker 4: we go again. You know. It's just everybody gets too

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Speaker 4: emotional and everybody gets too rightfully, so like scared to

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Speaker 4: like want to relax and laugh about this stuff. I

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Speaker 4: do feel like we kind of entered into a space

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Speaker 4: now where people are just have been sort of beaten

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Speaker 4: into a state of apathy, which is better for.

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Speaker 1: Comedy to be honest, Oh tell me why, because I

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Speaker 1: feel like what's scary about this moment is that this

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Speaker 1: administration has focused on like late night hosts as a scout,

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Speaker 1: you know, and that their commitment to try to bring

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Speaker 1: down Kimmel or Cobat. Yeah. I mean, I do think

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Speaker 1: in some ways it's good because people see how insane

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Speaker 1: it is, Like it feels like Putin stuff, you know,

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Speaker 1: which is you could you know if you had said

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Speaker 1: before twenty sixteen that you would be like that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump would do things that seemed very much from the

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Speaker 1: Putin playbook. You know, people would say, well, you're being hysterical.

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Speaker 1: But now I don't think that people would say that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think so either. I think it's pretty

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Speaker 4: pretty obvious what's happening. That being said, when you look

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Speaker 4: at like in history, periods of turmoil, In those periods

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Speaker 4: of turmoil, political turmoil, the artists to thrive in those moments.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's as difficult as it is to

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Speaker 4: watch some of that that's happening, and as heartbreaking as

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Speaker 4: it is to watch some of this happening, as a

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Speaker 4: comedy writer, I also go, all right, well, we're going

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Speaker 4: to find a different way to do it, because if

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Speaker 4: there is one thing that comedians will do, it's make comedy.

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Speaker 4: Like they're not going to stop making comedy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're basically in the middle of this primary season

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Speaker 1: and Trump has sort of disemboweled the last couple normal

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Speaker 1: Republican and they're not even that normal. I mean the

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Speaker 1: people voted with him, you know, ninety two percent of

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Speaker 1: the time. He's gone after the Cornns, the Cassidies and

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Speaker 1: Thomas Massy's, you know that crew. Like the idea that

648
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Speaker 1: there's just no one is saved from trump Ism, you know,

649
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Speaker 1: authoritarian reach. What do you think about that?

650
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Speaker 4: I tend to sort of like zoom out from things

651
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: like this and try to take a more like and

652
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Speaker 4: you know, this may be naive of me, but I

653
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: try to go when I think about moments in history

654
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Speaker 4: where people have just gone too far, the thing that

655
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Speaker 4: happens next is that it swings the other way. So right,

656
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Speaker 4: you know, it's like we watched this happen and it's like,

657
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Speaker 4: how is this still going? Like how do we still

658
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: have the capacity for this? And it's surprising to watch

659
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 4: and it's pretty disgusting. But I do think that things

660
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Speaker 4: will swing back the other way.

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Speaker 2: It is.

662
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Speaker 4: It's shocking that all of this it is a reaction

663
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Speaker 4: to a black man getting elected. Like at the end

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Speaker 4: of the day, all of this is like a reaction

665
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Speaker 4: to Obama.

666
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Speaker 1: It's also a reaction to the progress right to just

667
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Speaker 1: like the sort of becoming a multi racial democracy. And

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Speaker 1: that's why, I mean, I think that's why what this

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Speaker 1: administration has done with the Voting Rights Act. And it's

670
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Speaker 1: not the administration, it's the Supreme Court, but it's under

671
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Speaker 1: the you know, three of those justices come from this administration.

672
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Speaker 1: What they've done with the Voting Rights Act is so

673
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Speaker 1: soul crushing. Is because you know, we've only really been

674
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Speaker 1: a multiracial democracy since nineteen sixty four. If you're going

675
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Speaker 1: to look at that as doing what it needed to do,

676
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Speaker 1: and then to have this Supreme Court just crush it

677
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Speaker 1: in the worst way and use the excuse that there's

678
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Speaker 1: no that it's not needed anymore, it's just insane, crazy,

679
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: so crazy. But it is like I think about the

680
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Speaker 1: you know, the there's an ongoing war against metha pristone

681
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Speaker 1: in this administer. You know, in the Supreme Court, we

682
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Speaker 1: had the Fifth Circuit pause it the Supreme Court is

683
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: looking at it again, and clearly they're going to take

684
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Speaker 1: up another case in this and there's going to be

685
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: another another ruling on it. And part of the anti

686
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: choice movement really hates methapristone because it hasn't cut back

687
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Speaker 1: on the number of abortions.

688
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's really really upsetting to look at that,

689
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Speaker 4: because what is so crazy is I think I read

690
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Speaker 4: something I read like a tweet online where a woman

691
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 4: was talking about how her boyfriend said to her that

692
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 4: if she really wanted to, she could push her period

693
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Speaker 4: out in a day because the uterist is a muscle.

694
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 4: And it's like, that's why we can't have men making

695
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Speaker 4: these decisions. It's like they don't like the lack of

696
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Speaker 4: understanding of what why, and we don't know what these

697
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 4: abortions are for. Like they don't understand that an abortion,

698
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: some of it is by choice, but some of it

699
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 4: is just for survival. Because when you have an next

700
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Speaker 4: topic pregnancy for instance, and the idea of like carrying

701
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: that pregnancy forward would kill the mother, Yeah, let alone

702
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: the fact that the pregnancy wouldn't be viable anyway. They

703
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: don't understand that. They like don't seem to understand that

704
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 4: many of these abortions are miscarriages, you know, where they

705
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 4: are removing pregnancy tissue that could make a mother sick.

706
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: That's kind of the kind of thing that gets ignored

707
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 4: consistently in these conversations is how we use this medicine

708
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 4: not as a method of birth control, but as a

709
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Speaker 4: method of survival to some very tragic life experiences.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if when we talk about this, I

711
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: definitely see that young people are quite mad, and in

712
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: a really interesting way. Like I'm writing a piece right

713
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Speaker 1: now on the commencement speakers all this sort of affluent

714
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: white people who get up there and are like, you're

715
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: being replaced by AI. Isn't that cool? Right? Yeah? What

716
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Speaker 1: do you think about that? Like, does it feel like

717
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Speaker 1: boomers have lost the plot at Bay?

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, years ago.

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Speaker 2: I feel like they did. Years ago. It feels like

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Speaker 2: they did.

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Speaker 4: It's almost as if holding on to their money is

722
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Speaker 4: going to keep them alive longer, or something like hoarding

723
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: all of their wealth is just gonna keep them alive.

724
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Speaker 4: They don't seem to understand they're like millennials and even

725
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 4: like younger genets, people planned for a future that does

726
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 4: not exist. We thought, Okay, we'll get a job when

727
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Speaker 4: we get out of college, and then the two thousand

728
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: and eight recession hit and then we thought, okay, well

729
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 4: we'll plan to have kids, you know, we'll buy a house,

730
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: and it was like, no, actually, the housing market is

731
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: gonna you won't be able to afford a house, right right, Okay,

732
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Speaker 4: well maybe we'll have kids, and it's like, you're not

733
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Speaker 4: really going to be able to have kids either, because

734
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Speaker 4: we won't have anything in place to protect you as

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Speaker 4: a parent, you know, like you aren't going to be

736
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Speaker 4: able to live on one income and childcare is going

737
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Speaker 4: to be an insane way expensive. So we all planned

738
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Speaker 4: for this future, and we're told that we had this

739
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Speaker 4: future waiting for us, and we were living our lives

740
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Speaker 4: according to that where it's like, oh.

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Speaker 1: Psych, you know, so let's talk about the book. You

742
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: wrote this memoir talk to us Abati.

743
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Speaker 4: I wrote this memoir. It's called Fully Baked, a mussy memoir,

744
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 4: and I wrote it. I started writing it in twenty

745
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Speaker 4: twenty one, which was about six months before I got

746
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Speaker 4: the job at SNL And got this job at SNL

747
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 4: and then was writing there and then got pregnant and

748
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Speaker 4: then had a baby, and all of this happened in

749
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Speaker 4: the course of writing this memoir. So it was an

750
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: interesting time period because I had this book that was

751
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 4: demanding that I look into my past, but my present

752
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 4: was demanding so much of my attention that I started

753
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: to think, well, these things, these things that are happening

754
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 4: to me now, are really demanding that I look into

755
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 4: myself and look at what happened to me and how

756
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Speaker 4: this might inform my experience as a parent, and how

757
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 4: it might inform my daughter's experience. And so I started

758
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Speaker 4: to really each chapter begins with an experience from my

759
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 4: pregnancy or from I had had a miscarriage. I did IVF,

760
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Speaker 4: you know, and then I was working at SNL when

761
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Speaker 4: I found out I was pregnant, and then just like

762
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: was there the whole year postpartum. So it all starts

763
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Speaker 4: off with something like that and go into stories from

764
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Speaker 4: my past, like growing up in a very political household,

765
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Speaker 4: my grandfather being Secretary of State under George Bush Senior,

766
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Speaker 4: and what and how he is now, like introducing my

767
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 4: daughter to him, my experience growing up and my mother

768
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 4: getting sober, and then my own experience with alcoholism, and

769
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Speaker 4: then eventually getting sober and starting to do comedy in

770
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Speaker 4: New York and then finding my way into a job

771
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Speaker 4: at SNL and touring and all of that.

772
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Speaker 1: That's so cool. Yeah, I mean I'm sober since I

773
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: was nineteen, so I oh wow, yeah, yeah, that's sober. Young,

774
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: big fan of being sober. Yeah, so interesting. And then

775
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Speaker 1: tell me about your stand up special.

776
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Speaker 4: I mean there's sort of a theme in my work

777
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 4: of like playing with time, jumping back and forth with

778
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 4: the different time periods. I shot my stand up special

779
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 4: in two parts. The first part I was eight months

780
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 4: pregnant and the second part I was one year postpartum, right,

781
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Speaker 4: So I wanted to sort of begin with the joke

782
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 4: about what it was like to be pregnant and what

783
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: that what that felt like, and then build on the

784
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 4: jokes over the year and see if anything changed, and

785
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 4: cut back and forth between the two experiences to kind

786
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Speaker 4: of show.

787
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Speaker 1: What it's like after.

788
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Speaker 4: Because I was really scared and freaked out about out

789
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Speaker 4: what postpartum is, and I think that as a society,

790
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 4: we love a pregnant lady, but a postpartum woman is

791
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 4: immediately invisible. I was like, let me make sure that

792
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 4: I that I can speak from that perspective because I

793
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 4: don't see enough people doing it.

794
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Speaker 1: Oh interesting, how do you mean postpartum is like just

795
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Speaker 1: having a newborn.

796
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so having a newborn baby. The years the postpartum

797
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: period is categorized as like from one to two years

798
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: after you have a baby. I think it takes about

799
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Speaker 4: two years for your hormones.

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Speaker 1: To level out, and you feel like that. People don't

801
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Speaker 1: focus on that so much.

802
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 4: They're not really comfortable with that. They think of postpartum

803
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 4: as like postpartum depression. They don't understand that it's actually

804
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: a time period that of hormonal of people that happens

805
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 4: after you have a baby, Like it's that's that's how

806
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 4: deep the misunderstanding of like what that time period is.

807
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 4: It's and it is a moment in a woman's life

808
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 4: that is so crucial in terms of her need for support,

809
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: and we completely ignore them. And I think that the

810
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Speaker 4: erasure of postpartum women in America is disgusting. I didn't

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Speaker 4: know about it. I mean I really didn't know about

812
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Speaker 4: it because I was a part of it. Like I

813
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 4: had friends that had kids, and I was like, all right,

814
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 4: see you later, like talk to you in eighteen years

815
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Speaker 4: before I had my kid, I just thought, oh, well,

816
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 4: she's busy, she doesn't want me around. It was so

817
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: easy to be like, she doesn't need me around. And

818
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: every time I spoke to a mother after she'd had

819
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Speaker 4: a kid, she'd be like, I have to go. You know.

820
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Speaker 4: It was like we'd be on FaceTime and she'd be

821
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 4: like yelling at her kid and be like, I gotta

822
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Speaker 4: I gotta go. And it was just like, Okay, well

823
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Speaker 4: I guess she doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

825
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: I never recognized that, like, oh my god, she's overwhelmed

826
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Speaker 4: and she needs me to be checking in even if

827
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Speaker 4: she's hanging up on me every time.

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Speaker 1: She needs that. You know, Rosebud, thank you so much

829
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Speaker 1: for joining us. This is great.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: No moment second.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon Smiley, Timothy Mellon.

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of times people like to say

834
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Speaker 3: the phrase like eccentric millionaire, eccentric billionaire and use it

835
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Speaker 3: as like, oh, they're just like a little quirky guy.

836
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Speaker 3: But Timothy Mellon, when he's not chasing down a millionaire,

837
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Speaker 3: hearts sunken plane and all sorts of quirky other things

838
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: he loves doing really weird dark money donations to the

839
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Speaker 3: Trump administration, including this one to RFK Junior.

840
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gave his country house to RFK Junior. Basically

841
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: five point five million dollars worth of acres and houses

842
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: with tennis court pool, several buildings, three hundred acres in

843
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: Connecticut to RFK Junior. Here's the deal. This is so sketchy.

844
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Speaker 1: This guy, he was one of the biggest donors. I

845
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: think you might have been the biggest donor to Trump

846
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: in twenty three for the Melon family are very trumpy,

847
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: all of them there are. But this is just really gross.

848
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: You know, because we have citizens united, because we have

849
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: so much money in politics, because no one can figure

850
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: out what the hell is going on, we have stuff

851
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: like this and look, will this house, will this country

852
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: has end up going to anti vax crazies or will

853
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: it end up being used by RFK juniors kids? Who knows.

854
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: But the point of it all is that none of

855
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: this is how any of this is supposed to work.

856
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: There's just so much dark money and corruption and it's

857
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: both disappointing and also, as you and I both know,

858
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: as people who have been warning about this for such

859
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: a long time, very unsurprising. That's it for this episode

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Speaker 1: it to a friend and keep the conversation going. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening.