1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. I'm Matt Miller and 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit. 3 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: All right, Merry Christmas and Happy New Years. 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Welcome back from Spain. 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 3: Thank you. 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: It's going to be back in this country. You don't 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: know what you've got till it's gone, you know what 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: Oh, I can relate, I can relate. And yeah, I 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: went to I was in Denver for Christmas and happy 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: to be back. 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: How was the drive there? You drove there? Back from LA? 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: We escaped all weather. We the way over, we spent 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: the night in Grand Junction, and the way back we 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: did it in a single day, and we escaped all weather. 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: It was snowing in Grand Junction on our way back 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: and we missed it. 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: So how does get a single day trip from day 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: to LA? How long does that take? 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: You can do it. You can do it. It's like fifteen hours. 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,639 Speaker 1: It's fourteen to fifteen hours. The good thing is, which 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: I didn't realize, but there's a time change, so you 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: actually gain an hour of daylight going back west, which 24 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: buys you some time. 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: You did it in your corvette. Oh, I saw a 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: picture of you with a Corvette. 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: Yes, no, that would have been actually epic. No, I 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: would not trust the Corvette or the Corvette's tires. 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: So on that track, so what vehicle did you choose. 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: For this adventag chat in a Porsche Cayenne GTS, which 31 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: worked fabulously. 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: A new one though, yeah, a new one. Oh I see, okay, 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: so you didn't choose Honestly. 34 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: We would have. The truth is, we would have done it. 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: We would have had a lot of fun, and I wanted, 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: I actually want a plan to do this another time. 37 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: We would have done it in an old car or 38 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, twenty fourteen era turbo, but didn't have winter 39 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: tires on those cars, so you know, you got to 40 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: think about the rubber. 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: That makes sense. And the kyangts. I love that car. 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: For a while, they went they stepped down to the 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: V six, you know, to let the turbo be the 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: king of the jungle. But now they've gone back to 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: the four leader V eight, which is sounds. It's a 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: great motor, it's a great power plant. 47 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: It rumbles like it really lets you know, and it's 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: really fast. So yeah, we had fun. 49 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: There was I can't remember where I saw it. But 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: someone posed a question, what's the perfect cylinder size? And 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: I don't know if they were after power or if 52 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: they were after fuel economy, but I think the industry 53 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: has come up with essentially, if you're leaning towards luxury, 54 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 2: if you're leaning towards shove, half liter is kind of 55 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: the the sweet spot for cylinder size. So that's why 56 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: the four le V eight is such a good power plant. 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: Porsche uses that, Mercedes uses that. I like, you know, 58 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: the big jugs, so like I like the Harley Davidson, 59 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 2: like you know, two Leader or SNS two Leader twins, 60 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: but apparently five hundred CC's and if I'm wrong, someone 61 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: correct me has been you know, sort of picked out 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: by the industry in general. So a three Lider six, right, 63 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: that's what Porsche uses, or a four Leader V eight. 64 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: I also think. And I am not an engineer, so 65 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: Phil Frieda right in and educate me. But you know 66 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: that there is a end point to how much power 67 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: you can get out of any engine, right, Yeah, They're 68 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: not infinite things. And I don't want to say that 69 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: that particular configuration has been max out, but it does 70 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: seem like it's it's at a really evolved point and 71 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: any any further development might compromise other other factors. 72 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: Right, or only yield like marginal. 73 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 1: Marginal, Like you're better You're better off trying to make 74 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: the design of the car lighter or more aerodynamic than 75 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: try to, you know, dial down that engine even more 76 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: and more and more for very small incremental improvements. 77 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: Right, And I mean you know they keep doing it 78 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: in the search for more efficient moders. Right, So that's 79 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: why they put the turbos on and they're really high compression. 80 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: But or you go hybrid, Yeah, I mean bringing a 81 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 2: battery and changes the equation completely. But we should have 82 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 2: someone who really knows what she or he is talking about. 83 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: Okay, that could be one of our goals for twenty 84 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: twenty five. 85 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: That's in fact, if you have a guest, dear listener, 86 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: if you have a guest who's like Kevin Cameron is 87 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: the guy I would choose if the we're a motorcycle show. 88 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: But if you have like the Kevin Cameron of automotive 89 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: who can tell tell us, you know, what's the ideal 90 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: cylinder size, how far can they push it? You know, 91 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: I always say there's more. There's no replacement for displacement. 92 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: But at some point obviously we're not working with ten 93 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: liter eleven leter motors, so now at some point it 94 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense to get bigger and bigger. 95 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: I bet we could call our friends at BMW or 96 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: Porsche or Mercedes. 97 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: Or how come they never supply us with like a 98 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: good engineer. Why doesn't somebody I. 99 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: Think asking you shall receive and. 100 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 4: Stuttgart say, I think we need to give these guys 101 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 4: a good engineer, or maybe from Portia Andreas Pointinger, we 102 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 4: should try and get him on the show. And all right, 103 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 4: so you got this ticket on your way to Pebble. 104 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: Beach, right, Yes, and in a Lamborghini hybrid. Speaking of 105 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: hybrid's called the riveelto which. 106 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: I have yet to even see one in person. 107 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: But it's a very expensive you know, six hundred thousand 108 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: dollars plus car over a thousand horse power. And yes, 109 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: I got a ticket in the course of my doing 110 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: research for our Deer readers. 111 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: It was part of the team. 112 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: Yes, and so I did hire one of those legal 113 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: fix it firms to try to argue my case that 114 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: I was not driving recklessly. It was an empty road 115 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: in the in the mid morning. You don't know on 116 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: a Tuesday, and this was the first time I was 117 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: in the car. I was unfamiliar with its great power 118 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: and dynamics, so that unfortunately did not work. 119 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: Wait did but this you sent this lawyer for you 120 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: to court, right, you didn't go to court yourself. 121 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: I was not going to go to Keen County and 122 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: argue my case on random days. It didn't seem like 123 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: a great use of time. Also, I'm not a trained 124 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: legal authority, so yes, I hired someone on the advice 125 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: of multiple people who had said that. 126 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: They had I've always had success that way. Briskally, it's 127 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: like the system is, it's a bribery system. So you 128 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: basically pay somebody who's admitted to the bar locally and 129 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: they drink beers or they'll judge all the time, so 130 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: they figure it out and you get to find a pose. 131 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: So I was gonna say that's the key. You you know, 132 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: you want to really avoid the points, especially in California, 133 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: and I don't haven't. I didn't have any points on 134 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: my license. Didn't to avoid that, and that fee was 135 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: six hundred dollars to make. I didn't know how much 136 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: the ticket was going to be at the time, but 137 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: that fee was six hundred dollars, so I thought, okay. 138 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: Well, let's the lawyer was six hundred dollars. Yes, wow, 139 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: that's more than New York. 140 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, So anyway, the lawyer succeeded in getting the 141 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: court they pushed a couple times, so it was pushed 142 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: and then it was pushed again, rescheduled, and unfortunately in December, 143 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: uh were the word came back down from on high 144 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: that the ticket was not forgiven. The officer was in 145 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: court each court date. He really had it out for me. 146 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: And I did not get the ticket reduced, and I 147 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,119 Speaker 1: did get a point on my license, oh one point 148 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: one point, so that's really good. And I did get 149 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: the money back from the legal firm, who were very 150 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: sad that they didn't win the case, and they gave 151 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: me a refund. And the cost of the ticket was 152 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: like four hundred and eighty five dollars, which was actually 153 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: less nice than the cost of the lawyer. So it's okay, 154 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: it's fine's experience. 155 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: I think you can get what four points a year, 156 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: right or six points in two years? 157 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes, and they go away after a certain amount 158 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: of time. 159 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm pretty sure obviously California is going to 160 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: be different than New York. But I took like a 161 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: defensive driving course, which was basically like detention in high school. 162 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: You show up, the guy shows you a video like 163 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: blood Runs Red on the highway, and and then like 164 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: you do nothing for the next four hours and you 165 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: get points reduced from your's. 166 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: I've heard of that. 167 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: I might have. 168 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: I've sort of been privy to that. 169 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: All right, so well it's your first point. 170 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's my first point. 171 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: That's that's not bad. 172 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: It's a notch in my belt. Yeah, So I am 173 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: going to be very careful driving because I don't want 174 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: to get more. But I thought you would appreciate that update. 175 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, that's what I It's a bummer. But 176 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 2: I'm glad that the lawyer at least gave you your 177 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: money back because. 178 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: Completely completely, because that would have been really annoying. And 179 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: I think I am not a like a new Year's 180 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: resolution person at all. But someone asked me the other day, 181 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: what's your New Year's resolution? And I just came out 182 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: with leave the past in the past. So I think 183 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: that's going to be my resolution this year, because it 184 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: was like it just came and that tickets in the past. 185 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: It was from last year, and I'm actually glad it 186 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: was resolved so you can move fresh into twenty twenty five. 187 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, I don't think I have any My nigger's 188 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: resolution is to buy more motorcycles. You know, okay, and 189 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: focus on that. You ride motorcycles, right, But I do, 190 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: But I. 191 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: Don't own one at the moment. And honestly, it's it's 192 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: not a passion like it is for you. Yes, I've 193 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: ridden for ten years, but it's not a passion in 194 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: the way that I know true riders have the passion. 195 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: I just need it for mental health. Yeah. 196 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: See, yeah, I and I that is a real thing. 197 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: It's not something that lives in my brain. But I 198 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: know that it's a real thing. 199 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: By the way I remember it, I think a couple 200 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: of weeks ago, I said my goal for twenty twenty five, 201 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: I guess I do kind of have a ka. It 202 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: was to ride motorcycles with you. Oh yes, And did 203 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: I tell you about the invitation I got for February. No, 204 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: I was invited to Austin to ride the whole new 205 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 2: Harley Davidson twenty twenty five lineup. 206 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: Oh awesome, that's great. So maybe you can go, isn't 207 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: it when in February? End of February, Okay, that could work. 208 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: It'll be my first Austin trip of the year before 209 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: the GP, which is a month later. 210 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: So cool. I'm looking forward to going to the GP too. Yes, cool, 211 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: that's great. 212 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: It's so much better in America because nobody, nobody goes 213 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: in America, right, So if you go to a Moto 214 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: GP in Italy or in Spain, they're packed and even 215 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: if you get into the paddock, they're completely heaving, and 216 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 2: the to use a British expression, and the the pilots 217 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: want nothing to do with the public because they're just swamped. 218 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: But in Austin, since no one knows what Moto GP 219 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: is in America, they're empty and you can just walk 220 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: into the garages and they're everybody's happy to pose for 221 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: a picture. You know what? 222 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: That makes me think too, no line for the bathroom, 223 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: which is a very mundane thing to think. 224 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: But also yeah, for sure, no line for anything, which 225 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: is great. 226 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: All right. 227 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: I had a chance to sit down with your husband, yes, 228 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: on the eve of I heard, or on the day after, yeah, 229 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: the launch of his new project with t w R, 230 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: the the Jaguar XJS, which which I had a great 231 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: time seeing it at the Classic Car Club here and 232 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: seeing you and seeing everybody. By the way, we saw 233 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: Alex Roy who has just achieved the first part of 234 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: his new full self driving cannonball run. Did you see that? 235 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 236 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: I did. 237 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: We should have him back on. 238 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 2: Definitely, we should definitely have him. He's gonna do it 239 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: two more times, so he's going three times coast to coast. Anyway, 240 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: I did the interview of Magnus Walker myself and we 241 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: want to play that for the listeners right now. Thank 242 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: you very much for the invite. I had a great time. 243 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 2: The Classic Car Club was a really is a really 244 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: cool venue, and I was gonna say it was it 245 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: will be was a really cool venue. 246 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: It still is. It still is a very very cool venue. 247 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 5: But they're moving right, they're all moving uptown here like 248 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 5: ten Bucks episode. 249 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 2: Anyway, it doesn't matter where it was because the highlight 250 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 2: was there in the center of the room. It's a 251 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: Jaguar XJS or it started life as a Jaguar XJS, right. 252 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: I think one of the more iconic silhouettes out there 253 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 2: with the buttresses in the back. At least other the 254 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: hardtop version. Tell me about first of all what it 255 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: is now, what did you turn it into? 256 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 5: First of all, thanks for coming out. Great to see you, 257 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 5: not in the suit, which was great. We love to 258 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 5: say over there, it's not a JAG, it's a TWA 259 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 5: exactly Tom Walkinson Shaw Racing. So the new iteration of 260 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 5: TWI is founded by Tom's son, Fergus And for those 261 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 5: that don't know, Tom Walkinson Shaw British Heritage Motorsports Engineering 262 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 5: race team and Tom was a racer won the British 263 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 5: toin Card Championship in eighty four eighty five. But the 264 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 5: real claim to fame is they were JAGS Motorsports Division 265 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 5: and they won outright at the nineteen eighty eight Lamon 266 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 5: twenty four hour with Jazz. TWR also helped develop the 267 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 5: iconic XJR XJA fifteen and the Holy Grail JAG the 268 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 5: x J two twenty. These were all developed through TWR 269 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 5: in conjunction with JAG. So what we debuted was the 270 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 5: East Coast debut. The global debut was in LA on Tuesday, 271 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 5: November nineteenth. What it is it starts life as a 272 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 5: it's arrest on what I guess you'd say it starts life. 273 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 5: The donor car is the Jag XJS, which we know 274 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 5: followed the iconic E type. The E type Jag was 275 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 5: the most beloved car, and the XGS followed it and 276 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 5: actually never lived up to the success that the E 277 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 5: type had. But it was in production for twenty one 278 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 5: years and ironically sold more units than the Jag, but 279 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 5: it just never had the umph and sort of iconic 280 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 5: status of the Jag. And it was a V twelve car. 281 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 5: I have one in nineteen eighty eight Speed twelve, so 282 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 5: you think it's going to be fast, but three speed 283 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 5: automatic in stock form, these cars are what I call lazy. 284 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 5: The JAG version what the TWR version is. First of all, 285 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 5: the engines pumped out to five point six leader six 286 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 5: hundred and sixty horse power, five hundred and forty foot 287 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 5: pounds of torque, six speed Tramac manual transmission with an 288 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 5: all new wide bodied carbon fiber aerodynamic Imster inspired GT 289 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 5: Touring inspired seventies and eighties wide bodied conversion. 290 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: It's super light, right, I think I heard a stat 291 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: that it was only thirty four hundred pounds. 292 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, it's a lot. It's light, It's got a 293 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 5: lot of power. It's two wheel drive. The only sort 294 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 5: of original components to the Dona XGS, to the engine 295 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 5: block which has been pumped out to five point six 296 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 5: from five point four. Leader horsepower has been tripled. Like 297 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 5: I said, the all new carbon fiber body sections and panels, 298 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 5: all new suspension, six pot front piston caliber breaks four 299 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 5: rears eighteen and nineteen inch wields with soft sticky rubber 300 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 5: so it puts out powder to the ground. This is 301 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 5: not a track car, though, it's a GT car. As 302 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 5: you saw, this plenty ahead room, there's plenty of luggage 303 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 5: space in it, and it's extremely well put together, a 304 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 5: balanced car that I've been a design consultant home for 305 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 5: the past two years, and ironically I'm a Jag guy. 306 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 5: It must be like a British thing Brits abroad. I've 307 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 5: owned Jags, I've owned these types and I'd always wanted 308 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 5: to do a hot rod x JS. I even spoke 309 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 5: to me in Kalum about it when he was still 310 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 5: chief designer at Jag, probably in the five six years ago. 311 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 5: Even Jack Heritage like the concept of doing this project 312 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 5: because no one's really messed with the XJS listers raised them. 313 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 5: TWR Race them, and it's kind of a forgotten car 314 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 5: and a sea of resto mods. Obviously the portion nine 315 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 5: to eleven he is king of the hill. 316 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: You are branching out because well, at least a lot 317 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: of people know you as a Porsche guy, right urban outlaw, 318 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: and you know your warehouse, your shoes man, your shoes, 319 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: your car, so Jag it seems to me a little 320 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: bit of a diversion for you. But I guess you 321 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: actually have owned many cars. You've had Mopar cars, you 322 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: have a Rolls, you have a Corvette, so copying Hannah 323 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: to some extent, but you aren't just dedicated to nine 324 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 2: to elevens only. 325 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: No, I'd always been that way. 326 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 5: You know, I'm known as a Porsche guy, but even 327 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 5: twenty thirty years ago, I owned the Mopas, I had 328 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 5: two sixty nine super Bees out a seventy sixty five 329 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 5: Gt three fifty Mustang Replica. I had a seventy three 330 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 5: Lotus Shiopa at a seventy nine three or eight GTB Ferrari. 331 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 5: I like variety. So with this project, you know, when 332 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 5: they contacted me, not knowing that I actually wanted to 333 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 5: do this project, you know I was contacted ironically by 334 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 5: a former a Porsche PR marketing guy called Lee Newton 335 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 5: who was no longer with Porsche and he was consulting 336 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 5: with TWR. He shot me in an email out of 337 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 5: the blue asking would I be interested in working on 338 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 5: this project, not knowing that it was actually a dream 339 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 5: project and something I was interested in and obviously being 340 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 5: partnered up with TWR and a capacity as a design 341 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 5: consultant was an exciting pro. So I'd visited them in 342 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 5: England and worked sort of virtually for two years helping 343 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 5: them through the process. Hosted the event in LA at MySpace, 344 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 5: got the car over to Vegas at the Win Hotel 345 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 5: during F one where we displayed it, and then got 346 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 5: the car displayed at the LA Auto Show for the 347 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 5: final closing weekend after Thanksgiving. So I'd been a design 348 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 5: consultant and involved in the marketing production of actually launching 349 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 5: that car to the extent of it's going to be 350 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 5: here in New York for three weeks, then it goes 351 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 5: back to LA. We're gonna have Jay Leno drive it 352 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 5: and do some media stuff in LA, and. 353 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 3: Then it's on a tour. You know. 354 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 5: The goal is the making eighty eight of them, eighty 355 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 5: eighty is significant because that was nineteen eighty eight when 356 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 5: TWR one lamon outright with Jack. So it's a bespoke 357 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 5: customizable car, which eighty eight units are going to be produced. 358 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: So I my take on it, which doesn't matter. But 359 00:18:54,800 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: of course, yeah, of course I think it is so sexy, finish, 360 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: product is beautiful and it's it's really it really drives 361 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: me in some ways to want to get out there 362 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: and do a night drive. And you've done a night 363 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: drive video, which I also love, so I encourage people 364 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: to check out your night drive video. I think of 365 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: the similarities or lack thereof with Singer because you can 366 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: buy a donor XJS for pretty cheap, I mean compared 367 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: to a nine to six four right, like five. 368 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 5: To ten grand gets you behind the wheel of an 369 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 5: ex chess and ask me because I own one. I 370 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 5: bought one for seventy five hundred bucks and that experience 371 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 5: is okay. The TWL though, it's just on our next 372 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 5: level of performance. 373 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 3: As great as the car looks. First of all, when 374 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: you hear. 375 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 5: It, the exhaust note this raspeed throaty equal length head 376 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 5: of V twelve exhaust note that comes out of the 377 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 5: side right behind the B pillar right behind your ear 378 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 5: is intoxicating and unexpected. And what we've noticed in the 379 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 5: past three weeks of showcasing this car to the press 380 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 5: meter and potential customers is the message is the same. 381 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 5: They love the renderings, but they're so impressed with how 382 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 5: the actual physical car is. And that's the first actual 383 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 5: sort of. 384 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: Pre production car in England. 385 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 5: They've been running a shakedown development car, a test mule 386 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 5: with all the same underpinnings, but not skinned in that 387 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 5: or clanding that sexy wide bodied carbon fiby body that's 388 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 5: on it, and it's just the stance of the car, 389 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 5: the silhouette, the way it all blends together with form 390 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 5: and function. It's aggressive styling, but it stands out. When 391 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 5: we had that car in Vegas at the wind Row 392 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 5: in f one literally in the casino, next to thirty 393 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 5: million dollar McLaren f one's and various other cars, people 394 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 5: were drawn to it because there's nothing really like that 395 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 5: at that level of boxy group b Inser late seventies 396 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 5: early eighties looking car. It's just the stands. I mean, 397 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 5: it has a presence, but when you drive it, the 398 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 5: way it handles and puts the power down the fact 399 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 5: that it's manual and you operate it with three pedals, 400 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 5: you know, your two eyes, your brain, and your two 401 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 5: undred and two feet. It's intoxicating. It covers all the 402 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 5: senses viscerally. You know, it sounds good, feels good, smells good, 403 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 5: looks good. We took it on a drive around Manhattan, 404 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 5: capturing some images down in Times Square, down past Rockefeller Center, 405 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 5: and it's. 406 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 3: Just unbelievable how people look at that car. 407 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 5: And when you see it in New York traffic, surrounded 408 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 5: by all that chaos, that silhouette, it's just intoxicating. I mean, 409 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 5: I came back after the launch event, after the photo shoot, 410 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 5: just pumped. 411 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: I couldn't go to sleep. I was energized. 412 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: So the other thing, though, is you can get a 413 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 2: donor launcha and send it off to Italy and Camara 414 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 2: will make you a hot rotted version for like eight 415 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: hundred grand. 416 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, there were thirty seven, which looks spectacular. Yeah. 417 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: Or you can get the nine six four for one 418 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 2: hundred grand and send it to Singer or I guess 419 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: maybe they source the donor for you, but they just 420 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: charge you like two million bucks this car. Do you 421 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: feel like it's underpriced because I think it's less than 422 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: three hundred, right. 423 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely underpriced for what it is. For sure, 424 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 5: they would have sold just as many at twice the price, 425 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 5: so you know it is underpriced. That's all I'm gonna 426 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 5: say on the price. 427 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: Are they Are there customizable options? 428 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 5: I mean, can you yea yeah? Yeah, I mean you 429 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 5: know there's not a million options. You know, it's not 430 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 5: like the salvel Row bespoke suit of what Singer is. 431 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 5: There are certain options that are customizable. First of all, 432 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 5: the body is all carbon fiber, so you can leave 433 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 5: elements that a car when you can paint it body 434 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 5: color paint to sample color, these options with leather interior. 435 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 5: At this point, we're not doing like a track spec. 436 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 5: It's a GT Touring spec. This predominantly is a GT 437 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 5: touring car. But it's good to do two hundred miles 438 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 5: an hour, so you know, you can customize it to 439 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 5: a certain degree. It's not over customizable, which reflects in 440 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 5: the price point of where it's at. 441 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: It's you say at this point, which makes me I 442 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 2: want to ask, what's next. You say you're gonna make 443 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: eighty eight. I think you've already made a couple dozen right. 444 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 5: Well, this is the first prototype. Currently today there's over 445 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 5: twenty of them allocated on order. This is gonna be 446 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 5: a process that takes about four years, going to deliver 447 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 5: about twenty cars. 448 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: I see, I see. 449 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 5: But down the pipeline, twall didn't just race Jags. They 450 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 5: race Reno's and Volvos and various other cars. So this 451 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 5: is the first development car of which many other will follow, 452 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 5: not necessarily all based on Jags. 453 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 2: So, but let me just ask for you. And by 454 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: the way, guests hate this on the show when they 455 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: come in for one piece of news and they say, okay, 456 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: but what's next? 457 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 458 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 2: Next for you? Like, what else are you thinking of? 459 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: You've done so much with Porsche's you're doing this right 460 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: now with the Jag and TWR. But you said that 461 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: you've talked to you know, you talked to Ian Callum 462 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 2: about this years ago. Yeah, I'm sure there are other 463 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: things in your head. 464 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 3: Sure, you know a great question. 465 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 2: What about in the automotive world do you find interesting 466 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 2: right now? 467 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 5: Well, I'm currently doing a project with Automobilia Pinaferina, which 468 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 5: is the ninety five year old world famous Italian design 469 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 5: house pretty much famous for designing the majority of the 470 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 5: classic Great Ferraris amongst other cars, and I've been collaborating 471 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 5: on there all electric Bautista, which some may find surprising, 472 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 5: that two thousand horsepower all electric Bautista that's built on 473 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 5: the Rimagneva platform, creating a one of one collaboration between 474 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 5: one while yeah, I do, I still have it there. 475 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 5: It's in the office in La It's still there. So 476 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 5: twenty twenty five that one of one car will be 477 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 5: unveiled to the world. So I'm super excited about that 478 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 5: because TWR has been a great project and Pinafarina is 479 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 5: sort of also a spectacular project with a company that's 480 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 5: perhaps the world's greatest design firm. So what's next for 481 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 5: me in the automotive world is just collaborating in a 482 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 5: way with other companies as a design consultant. I just 483 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 5: like doing cool stuff with cool people. It's not necessarily 484 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 5: has to be Porsche. I've designed and built a lot 485 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 5: of my own Porsches, you know, and there's other things 486 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 5: coming down the road with what I'm going to be 487 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 5: doing Porsches in the following year. So I like to 488 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 5: stay busy. I like to stay creative, inspirations all around. 489 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: I was walking home with my buddy after the event. 490 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 3: That's a long walk from uh. 491 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: We were walking, we were walking back to the gradge 492 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 2: all right, and he said that's good man. Magnus is 493 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: a servant and I was like, yeah, but you know what, 494 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: he just does stuff like when he has an idea, 495 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: he acts on it, he executes. And I think a 496 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: lot of people have a lot of ideas that just 497 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: sort of float in and out. 498 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: Right. 499 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 5: The key is starting the idea. Well, first of all, 500 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 5: the idea, I always say, is something that can't be taught. 501 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 5: You can't go to school and learn ideas. You can 502 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 5: go to school and learn how to execute them, but 503 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 5: the idea really comes organically from within. And you're either 504 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 5: inspired or you're not if you're a creative person. And 505 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 5: I find creativity comes in waves and rolls. Right now, 506 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 5: I'm on this surgence of creativity through the projects that 507 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 5: I'm inspired to do and the people I'm collaborating with, 508 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 5: and I think that just keeps the momentum rolling. You know, 509 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 5: I've already been approached by a few other people to 510 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 5: help collaborate or design or consult on various other things. 511 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 5: So I enjoy it. It's something new to me. My 512 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 5: background has always been design orientated from the clothing days, 513 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 5: and restoring buildings and property and cars are no different. 514 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 5: It's like restoring an old building. You know, We've got 515 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 5: one hundred year old house in Hollywood, Hannah and I 516 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 5: that we're restoring. I've got a one hundred and twenty 517 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 5: year old building I restored. So I like projects. You know, 518 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 5: I always say people like to collect, whether it's cars, guitars, watchers, 519 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 5: whatever it may be. You know, I'm collecting memorable moments, 520 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 5: and these are sort of formed by collaborating with interesting 521 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 5: people doing cool things. 522 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 2: But I think a lot of people are a lot 523 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: of people find starting a task daunting, and you just 524 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 2: seem to dive into something as soon as you am 525 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: I wrong about that, No. 526 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 3: No, it's spot on. 527 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 5: I mean I think a lot of people have a 528 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 5: fear of failure, so they don't want to start because 529 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 5: they're afraid of failing. 530 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: You know. 531 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 5: It's like it's a hot glass half empty or hole full. 532 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 5: I think for me coming to America thirty eight years ago, 533 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 5: I still have that same mentality of nothing to lose 534 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 5: in everything to gain. And I'm still inspired and I'm 535 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 5: still challenging myself to create, and it's not always there. 536 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 5: It's not like turning the light switch on. But when 537 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 5: something feels right, I'm one hundred percent in. I'm one 538 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 5: hundred and ten percent in. And if I don't feel 539 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 5: that way, I'm not involved in it. You know, I 540 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 5: like to give my old because you know, to me, 541 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 5: it's just something I'm inspired to do and I want 542 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 5: the best for the project, like with tw are you know, 543 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 5: for me, I just. 544 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 3: Love the car. I love driving it all, love the 545 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 3: way it looks. 546 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 5: It's been a great experience for me that I hope 547 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 5: continues and opens the door to other other ventures and 548 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 5: other collaborations. 549 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: Well, one of the things people often say about you 550 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: is that you seem to go where the puck is 551 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: gonna go. Like you, maybe I'm where I want wondering 552 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: how do you think about that? Because you start, you know, 553 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 2: I don't play hockey, I don't really think about the 554 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 2: it's not hot, and then it becomes the hottest neighborhood. 555 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: Or you buy a car that no one wants and 556 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: then everybody wants that car, So like, how do you 557 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: think that turns out? 558 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 3: Well? 559 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 5: For me, it's gut feeling you know, I'm not really 560 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 5: too concerned about what other people think. Like when we 561 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 5: acquired that building in downtown Ala in the Arts district 562 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 5: twenty five years ago, I've been in the Arts district 563 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 5: thirty two years. 564 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 3: I had a vision. 565 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 5: I knew this place was gonna evolve because I'd been 566 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 5: in places like Soho and I've been in London and 567 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 5: LA was just behind the curve, so I'd seen that trend. 568 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 5: But for me, it's more about just doing things that 569 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 5: I personally like to do, or cars that I personally 570 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 5: like to collect, Like I was acquiring short wheelbase nine 571 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 5: elevens when you could pick them up for nothing when 572 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 5: no one cared. Same thing with early three liter turbos. 573 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 5: So I like to experience variety in whatever market is. 574 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 5: I'm interested in, whether it's Watchers cars or guitars. So ultimately, 575 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 5: I've never bought anything as an investment. And one of 576 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 5: my pet peeve questions is when people say to me, Hey, 577 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 5: first time Porschona, what should I buy? What's gonna be 578 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 5: a good financially. 579 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: Which, by the way, a million people probably, And I'm like, 580 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: you're asking. 581 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 5: The wrong guy, because I'm going to tell you invest 582 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 5: in memorable moments and smiles per mile, you know. And 583 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 5: they go, well, you bought cars for ten ground that 584 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 5: are now worth two hundred. How did that happen? I go, well, 585 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 5: I bought what I personally liked. I wasn't chasing a trend. 586 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 5: I'm not trying to hit that puck where I think 587 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 5: it's gonna go. I'm not thinking that way. I'm thinking 588 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 5: what inspires me. It's all about what inspires me, what 589 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 5: motivates me, whatever I want to experience. And then later 590 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 5: on it seems to be it's like I'm setting the trend. 591 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 5: It goes back to the serious clothing days when I 592 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 5: designed certain things that I personally liked to wear that 593 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 5: then became trendy. You're either creating the trend or you're 594 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 5: following the trend, and trends come and go. So you know, 595 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 5: you know, you don't ever really want to be trendy. 596 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 5: You always want to be one step ahead of that. 597 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 5: But have your own style, you know. So I'm all 598 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 5: about expressing my own style, whether it's through buildings, art, 599 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 5: the way I look my hat, whatever it may be, right, 600 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 5: I'm adding my own personality to whatever it is I'm doing. 601 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 5: And that's that's a common thread to my story. The 602 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 5: three things that I've done with some success the clothing company, 603 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 5: property development, and playing around with cars. I had no 604 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 5: education in those fields. I didn't got a school to 605 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 5: learn design or anything. Inspirations all around, whether it's colors 606 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 5: or textures or shapes, right, and it's how you interpret them. 607 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 5: Throw them in the blend of things you're interested in, 608 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 5: mix it up, and what comes out is your style. 609 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 5: Like the way I did my Porsches, I never looked 610 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 5: to a sort of copy what the factory had done. Martini, Livery, 611 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 5: Golf Livery. I'd take elements from American hot rods and 612 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 5: TV shows that I grew up inspired by, which all 613 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 5: revolved around cars, whether it was Starsky and Art or 614 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 5: Dukes of Hazard or Rockford Files or Kojak or Chips Right. 615 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 5: So it's a little bit of Americana, a lot of 616 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 5: British motor sports because that was my background growing up 617 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 5: watching motorsports in the seventies and eighties, sort of the 618 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 5: glory era for me, and then this sort of British 619 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 5: bulldog spirit of anything's possible, no one's going to stop 620 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 5: me doing what I'm going to do. Gets throw in 621 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 5: the blender on what comes out is my style. And 622 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 5: I've been able to create these styles, whether it was 623 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 5: serious clothing or the Porsches that I've designed all the property. 624 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 5: I've sort of developed into sort of this signature touch 625 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 5: in a way of just being unique by not trying 626 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 5: to emulate someone else, because that's kind of boring. 627 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: You also don't look for, at least as far as 628 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 2: I know, like the low mile showroom condition examples, right, 629 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: which I think is really cool. Didn't you buy a 630 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 2: Turbo that was had one hundred eight thousand miles on 631 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: the clock. 632 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 5: I bought a twenty fourteen nine nine to one Turbos 633 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 5: one owner car probably three years ago with one hundred 634 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 5: and fifty nine thousand miles in it. It's now got 635 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 5: almost one hundred and ninety thousand miles in it. Most 636 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 5: people are not interested in a high mileage Porsche, you know, 637 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 5: like a Turbos The average mileage is probably thirty fifty 638 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 5: might be high, but that's where the value is, you know. 639 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 5: So for me, I'm about back to smiles per mile. 640 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 5: These cars were built to be driven. When people want 641 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 5: to show me a collection with zero miles on it, 642 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 5: I have zero interesting that because. 643 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 3: Where's the story? You know? 644 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 5: I heard you talking to mkhel about IRV Gordon and 645 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 5: he's three million mile Volvo P eighteen hundred. I drove 646 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 5: that car. Apparently I was the first guy outside of 647 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 5: Earth's family in his mechanic to drive that car. And 648 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 5: I met Ev when he was still alive, sadly had 649 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 5: passed away. IRV. Gordon is a New York school teacher 650 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 5: who put three million miles in a nineteen sixty seven 651 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 5: Volvo P. Eighteen hundred, which is documented in the Guinness 652 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 5: Boocker World Records is the highest mileage individually owned private 653 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 5: non commercial car, with three million miles in it, being 654 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 5: repainted a couple of times, engine rebuilt three or four times. 655 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 5: Volvo started keeping track of high mileage cars through the 656 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 5: dealers in the seventies. By the late seventies he had 657 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 5: a million miles on that So when I drove that car, 658 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,479 Speaker 5: and I had met her, And ironically I met him 659 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 5: when he was shooting a Volvo commercial in La in 660 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 5: that car and he had a mechanical breakdown on my 661 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 5: street in front of my bill. Wow, that was how 662 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 5: I met him. So when I got the chance to 663 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 5: you know do this show. Ironically, I drove the car. 664 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 5: It was kind of an emotional thing because I was 665 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 5: with his mechanic, Nino, this Italian guy lives in Jersey 666 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 5: and it worked on the car with erv So it's like, 667 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 5: that was the world's greatest story. You get guys like 668 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 5: Jay Leno collect cars and the great storytellers and great custodians, 669 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 5: and people love a story. So a car with zero 670 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 5: miles on it, what is the story? Yeah, it's a short, 671 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 5: boring one, right, that's the story. I'm not interested in that. 672 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 5: How did I have gone put three million miles in 673 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 5: the car? He drove everywhere with it, so it's like, 674 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 5: why did he do that? Why did he drive? Driving's 675 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 5: like meditation for some people, right for me, especially, you 676 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 5: get on a road where the cell phone doesn't work. 677 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 5: Your car's so loud you can't have a conversation. I 678 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 5: turned my phone off and the next two hours I'm 679 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 5: completely disconnected. On this path, this journey. You got whatever 680 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 5: speed you want to go. Sometimes it's fast, sometimes it's 681 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 5: not clear your head nothing else matters. You're not really 682 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 5: thinking about anything else other than focusing on the drive. 683 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 5: So that's the greatest thing. About driving and why cars 684 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 5: should be driven, the built to be driven, right, you know, 685 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 5: Commuting is one thing that's where self driving autonomous electric 686 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 5: cars makes sense, especially you know, driving here in New 687 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 5: York City from here to Classic Cack c Librit, it's 688 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 5: two miles. You can walk quick and then you can 689 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 5: drive it. So there's some places where I'm not opposed 690 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 5: to electric cause autonomous driving. That's commuting. Commuting and driving 691 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 5: are too completely different. 692 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 2: No, I agree one hundred percent. Without going off on 693 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: too much of a tangent. We only have a couple 694 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 2: of minutes left. So one final question about what you 695 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 2: have next, because I've watched everything you put on YouTube, 696 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 2: and I love the opp series and. 697 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 3: You got too much time on you. 698 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 2: I recently saw you do like a walk and talk 699 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 2: a single camera shot in like a Porsche graveyard. That's 700 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: just unbelievable, dude. I couldn't believe that you made it 701 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 2: the whole way because it's like three or four minutes long. 702 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 2: What's next for you in terms of media content that 703 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 2: I can consume, Oh, just during. 704 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 5: More cool stuff. You know, I'm actually drawing a blankers 705 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 5: to what's next. I mean, there's there's quite a lot 706 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 5: of things coming up. But what is twenty twenty five 707 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 5: will be. 708 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: Into what was that graveyard? What was that? 709 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 5: Well, it's another great story. Rudy Kleine opened. He didn't 710 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 5: call it the junk yard. It was called Porsche Foreign 711 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 5: Auto Supply and it was a wrecking yard that was 712 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 5: formed in the late sixties, and Rudy Klein would buy 713 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 5: these crashed salvage, mostly Porsches and Mercedes, but along and 714 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 5: he had at one time over a thousand cars that 715 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 5: he was dismantling and pardon now in the seventies and eighties. 716 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 5: But he also collected exotic things, like he had the 717 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 5: only one black alloy bodied goalwing. Only twenty nine were made, 718 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 5: but only one was black. That ammened down for like 719 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 5: eleven point five million dollars. So he collected crashed wrecked 720 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 5: salvage pennies on the dollar, Porsche, Mercedes, Bentley Ferraris. He 721 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 5: passed away in two thousand and two and then the 722 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 5: brothers took over, and long story short, the whole junk 723 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 5: yard was auction and I think sold for over thirty 724 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 5: million dollars. 725 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 3: It was a scrap yard. But what made that story 726 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 3: so great was Rudy Klein. How did he get all 727 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 3: these cause what was the story? You know? 728 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 5: He's just not found And the take you're referring to 729 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 5: is me just rambling on about here I am, and this. 730 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 3: Is what it is. 731 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 5: But it comes back to if you're excited and passionate 732 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 5: about something, you know. My favorite saying is, you know, 733 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,959 Speaker 5: a spreadsheet will only get you so far. Passion gets 734 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 5: you where you want to go. And I was passionate 735 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 5: about sharing the story because ironically I'd gone to the 736 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 5: Junkyard many many years ago and not memoried stayed with 737 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 5: me like me and know of Gordon and a three 738 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 5: million mile evolvo. So when he's passionate about something you know, 739 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 5: it just evolves and comes out of you. What's next 740 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 5: for me? Only time will tell. 741 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: Well, I am grateful that you shared that story and 742 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 2: so many others with us, Magnus, Thanks so much for 743 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: joining us on Hot Pursuit. 744 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 3: Great to be here, Thanks Choos. 745 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: I find him to be an inspiring man, Hannah, and 746 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 2: I think you have a pretty high opinion of him yourself. 747 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great. He's great, and I have to say 748 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: he really enjoys you, and I think you are great 749 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: at bringing out different sides of him, because sometimes, you know, 750 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: you tend to get the same questions if you're in 751 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: certain circles. Yeah, and actually this is a this is 752 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: a slightly different circle. And so it's it's it's nice, 753 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: like I like how you you bring out different parts. 754 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 2: It's very cool to talk to him. And you know, 755 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 2: he's achieved so much, I think in part and he 756 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 2: would say this, We talked about this because he just 757 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 2: does it. You know, so many people like I'm a procrastinator. 758 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: I have all these ideas in my head and I 759 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 2: have all these projects that I want to start someday 760 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 2: and I never get around to it. I never even remember. 761 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: And but doing pretty you're doing. 762 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 2: But he like just he's like, oh, I want to 763 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 2: make a pink sweater. I don't know, and then he 764 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 2: just does it. He'll just wake up in the morning 765 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 2: and do it. So that's, uh, that's a really cool 766 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 2: characteristic that I wish I had. But my wife's like that. 767 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 2: So what my new thing is when I have a 768 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 2: project or an idea, I tell her and then she executes. 769 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: I can't wait to meet her someday because I've never 770 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: actually met her yet, but she seems. 771 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 2: Like a real good you should go to the GP 772 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 2: with us in Austin. 773 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: She's going to Yeah. 774 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 2: She's a bigger Moto GP fan than I am. 775 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: So oh I love that. 776 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 2: Well. I was going to say, what do you have 777 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 2: planned for next week? But even if you have bigger plans? 778 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 2: What what? What are you looking forward to? What's coming up? 779 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: You know? You know, I am looking forward to being 780 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: back in New York in February. I'm coming back for 781 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: an edit meeting with the Pursuit's team of course, so 782 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to coming back and maybe we can 783 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: record some more podcast together. I am looking forward to 784 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm getting a Aston Martin Vanquish press card wow for 785 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: the first the first half of January, so that's something 786 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: we can really discuss. 787 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fast out. Yeah yeah, I think it's beautiful. 788 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 2: I mean not that it's many Asid Martins aren't, but 789 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 2: I think it's absolutely stunning. 790 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: I know, I'm really really looking forward to driving it 791 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: and seeing what it's like, because like, they're just gorgeous cars. 792 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to that. That'll be my first 793 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: press car. I think of the year, twelve cylinders to 794 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: kick it right, it's good. I think it's very auspicious, 795 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: and honestly, I'm really fascinated by China right now. I'm 796 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 1: looking forward, just like in a general sense, to seeing 797 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: how China affects the car industry. And I know we've 798 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: touched on this a little bit, but I just it's 799 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: fascinating as we watch what's happening over there affect what 800 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: our own domestic automakers are doing and what Europe is doing, 801 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: and nobody really knows what's going to happen, but it 802 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: will definitely be interesting. So I'm looking forward to watching 803 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: that unfold. 804 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 2: I think it is super fascinating. And you know, in 805 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 2: my day job where I comment on financial markets or 806 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 2: report on financial market and ask questions, there was a 807 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 2: great story about cost Nott, who's an ECB board member, 808 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 2: and he was making the point that if we get 809 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 2: tariffs put on European goods and then of course they retaliate, 810 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 2: it starts a trade war. Europe is much more likely 811 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 2: to turn to China, or to turn more to China 812 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 2: than they already have. I just spent the last couple 813 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 2: of weeks in Spain. There are a lot of Chinese cars, 814 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 2: they are already and there are clearly more coming. And 815 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 2: they're very good at making this like a pretty high 816 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 2: level disposable ev So I mean, you know, you don't 817 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 2: even need to lease it. You just buy it and 818 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 2: two years later you can be done with it. Not 819 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 2: that it, you know, falls apart, but it's just cheap. 820 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 2: It's just that cheap. So Colossknot was talking about Europe 821 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 2: basically importing deflation from China because if the EU and 822 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 2: the US go at it and the trade spat, you know, 823 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 2: and start slapping twenty forty sixty percent tariffs on each 824 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 2: other's products, and obviously automotive is first and foremost right. 825 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 2: They put tariffs on Harley Davidson last time in retaliation. Yes, 826 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 2: they're going to be buying many more byds. 827 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 1: Completely And it's so you know, BYD actually has a 828 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: bus factory in California. They don't make passenger cars here, 829 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: but somehow there's a loophole where they're manufacturing buses. They've 830 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: got factories in Mexico and Canada. And yet, you know, 831 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: it seems like most analysts think there's no way that 832 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: Chinese vehicles will be allowed to be sold in the US. 833 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, they already are you already have. Uh, 834 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 2: you know Volvo and pole Star, have you know? Of 835 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 2: course they are still putting cars together in Gothenburg and Sweden, 836 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 2: but they have manufactured in China vehicles as well. By 837 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 2: the way, speaking of bus, have you gotten hold of 838 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 2: the Folkswagen the ID Buzz no Electric? 839 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: No I have. I have not seen it. I mean 840 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: I saw a early prototype like seven years ago in 841 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: Pebble Beach that they were letting press drive like on 842 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: the beach. And that was a prototype and that was 843 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: the first and last time I ever saw one in 844 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: real life. 845 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 2: That would be a cool because I keep thinking about 846 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 2: what you're driving to. Obviously, the Kayen GTS is a 847 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 2: very good choice from Elie to Denver. Yes, but the 848 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 2: id Buzz would be an interesting choice totally. Of course. 849 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 2: The first concern is charging, right, But I go back 850 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 2: to Alex Roy's canniball run in the Tesla. He took 851 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 2: off we were with him from New York City, uh, 852 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 2: and then drove across the country. I read that he 853 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 2: spent less than six hours charging. That's wild, that's crazy, right? 854 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: Was that on his LinkedIn account? 855 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 3: Yes? 856 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: Posted, Yes, I got a deep dive into that because 857 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: I kind of scanned it and then post it. 858 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 2: But it's a lot of details because he knows so 859 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 2: much about like, he's so technical, he's so into it. Right, yeah, 860 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 2: but wow, six hours, yeah, less than six hours charging 861 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 2: on a cross country trip in an electric vehicle. Now 862 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,479 Speaker 2: he has the benefit obviously the supercharger network, and yeah, 863 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 2: but it would be interesting to see if that's all. 864 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I would spend more than 865 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 2: six hours at gas stations, right yeah. 866 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: Plus just like getting out and stretching, you know, pee breaks, 867 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: get grabbing a hamburger, you know, got to stop by 868 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: Applebee's or. 869 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,439 Speaker 2: Something, letting the dog out. 870 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, completely, Yeah, so we. 871 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 2: Should get ahold of an id buzz to figure that out. 872 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great idea. And also we should have 873 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: Alex come back on like yeah some point. 874 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,320 Speaker 2: Well maybe when you're here in February. 875 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: That'd be perfect. 876 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 2: We get him back in the studio. Cool. All right, 877 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 2: that's all we have time for today, but we'll see 878 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 2: you back here, same time, same place next week. Happy 879 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 2: New Year, Happy New year. 880 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: Right to us, thank you for listening to us. We 881 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: really appreciate you and love you, and we love hearing 882 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: from you. And this is so fun for us and Matt, 883 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,359 Speaker 1: as you know, it's such a joy. So thank you. Yes, 884 00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: it's been great. 885 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 2: Thank you very much much, Thank you, Hannah, and thank 886 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 2: you dear listener. I'm Matt Miller and 887 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg.