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Speaker 3: What did I do? How do I do that? Holland back,

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Speaker 1: Well, like I said, i'd for some time just put

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Speaker 3: And I understand why you want a dog if you're

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Speaker 1: Now the child is in love with the dog, and

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Speaker 3: So this seems like so many other things we talk about,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely there's and that's i mean really drawn me in,

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Speaker 3: Now, you know, it's interesting because on a very basic level,

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Speaker 3: of misery for the pet and the human being. Right. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Is that accurate in some areas, yes, because I've had,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, done, the you can't euphanize a dog campaign right, right?

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Speaker 3: But that's okay. So when we talk about euphanizing a dog, that's.

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Speaker 3: That sounds horrible, yes, And I get people are like,

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Speaker 3: My expectation is you're going to show up with a

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Speaker 3: That is my understanding of how strays have worked ever

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Speaker 1: Well, that's really how animal control has worked for so long.

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Speaker 1: That was the end goal was just let's euthanize on

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Speaker 3: They're not newter did now here? Two dogs end up eight,

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Speaker 1: We have had people small absolutely. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: Okay, So why is that? Why when you call the

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Speaker 3: So when you call, what do they say?

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Speaker 1: We're not We're we don't have room. Unless the dog's

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Speaker 3: At my at my lumber yard in North Memphis, we

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Speaker 3: Driven out of your facility. Bill.

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Speaker 1: I've seen packs of dogs running together.

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Speaker 3: That happens all the time, and they're always kind of

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Speaker 1: Some are? Yeah? I mean we can't. I don't ever

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Speaker 1: approach a dog on a chain without an owner there.

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00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: You just you know, and even then it's not necessarily

438
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: going to be safe, but they tend to do better

439
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: if the owner's around and know that you're not a threat.

440
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 3: Have you been bidden.

441
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: Knock on wood? Not anything serious. No, I've had a

442
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: few nips, but I've been very blessed to not have

443
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: any serious injuries.

444
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 3: All Right, So we've got dogs on chains. You go

445
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: to help a dog that a friend calls you about

446
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: and gives them some children. Some children say, hey, there's

447
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: a dog two doors down at my aunt's house that's

448
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: in pretty bad shape, and you try to help them,

449
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: and then that awaken then something in you that says,

450
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: if this is happening within these three houses, this must

451
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: be going on everywhere. You have a heart for animals,

452
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: and you're thinking, I want to do more.

453
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: I couldn't let it go. And I've worked really every

454
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: day since to get to another dog, knowing they're in

455
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: the backyards. And you know how long it's I guess

456
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: it's been about thirteen fourteen years ago.

457
00:27:51,560 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: Holy smokes. We'll be right back, all right. So what's

458
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: the next one? I mean, what happens next?

459
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: We just continue to work and build up so that

460
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: we can reach more animals.

461
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: Well it's just you.

462
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, we.

463
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: Have you putting out flyers. If you see a dog

464
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: on a chain, give me a holler.

465
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: See them if they're not home, Yes, I leave a note.

466
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: You're driving around neighborhoods looking for dogs by.

467
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Yourself, and now you know our information's out so people,

468
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: Oh then yeah, no, yeah, I just leave a note.

469
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, are you kidding you? A drive around neighborhoods

470
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: and leave a no.

471
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: People, come back, just come back till I find you.

472
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: Got a dog on a chain? Right? Can I help you?

473
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: That's what I just not. I'm here to take your dog.

474
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I just say I'm go and rescue.

475
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm not with a shelter because that's that's the right.

476
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, I want to try to help you do

477
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: you need straw for your dog? Do you need doghouse

478
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: for your dog? You know what? Do you need some

479
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: dog food?

480
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: Well?

481
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 3: See, that's a completely different approach. That's not going in

482
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: saying do something or else right, right, You're coming in

483
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: and saying, I know if you have a dog back there, how.

484
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Can I help you?

485
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: Help you?

486
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: How can I help you? Now?

487
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: Where does that come from?

488
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, going in in a situation

489
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: like that, people are going to take offense if you're

490
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: telling them what they're doing is wrong. So that is

491
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: the to me, the fair approach and offer us. I mean,

492
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: I'll say, the majority of the people that I huck

493
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: on that door, they are so happy to have the help,

494
00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: so thankful, and things continue to get better, honestly, it

495
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: it does. I mean, and I meet some amazing people

496
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: and they really care for their animals. It's just been

497
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: a matter of bringing them resources, introducing resources, explaining the ordinances.

498
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: I mean, so many don't even know that it's illegal

499
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: to have your dog in a wire crate outside getting

500
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: rained on. They think it's shelter. So it is a

501
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: matter of getting some education and just not doing it

502
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: in a judgmental way, you know, it's just being real. Hey,

503
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: I love my dog too. What can I do to

504
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: help you?

505
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: You know, at the risk of offense, which I've never

506
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: really I don't really care if I offend anybody, if

507
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: what I say I think is right. But so much

508
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: of the way people and underserved communities are addressed and

509
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: approached is very paternalistic in nature. Yes, and I don't

510
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: care if you're poor, that doesn't mean you're stupid. Exact

511
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: no paternalism, and you know threat when you see it,

512
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: and it just feels to me like you've gone the

513
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: exact opposite. You're not there to do anything or tell

514
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: them anything. You're just there to help.

515
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: And that's what's been successful for me to get to

516
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: that dog in the backyard. There's you know, but.

517
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: It seems like you're actually improving the human beings life

518
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: as well.

519
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: We we I try. I mean, it's you know, we

520
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: I've got so many friends now that I mean, they

521
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: really are friends. We got to work on something with

522
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: city council. You know that I can count on them

523
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: to show up. I mean, it's I have some wonderful

524
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: friends that I've met in these communities, and they care

525
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: about the dog, They care about the strays with what's

526
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: happening in their neighborhoods, and they've made the calls and

527
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: not get response from the city, and it's it's a

528
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: really sad situation what you see happen in these neighborhoods,

529
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: all right.

530
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: So it occurs to me that when I was in

531
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: fifth grade and told my mom I was sick and

532
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: stayed home from school, which time I wasn't sick, I

533
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: just didn't want to. Or during the summers I was

534
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: in sixth, seventh, and eighth grade and mom was at

535
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: work and I didn't have anything to do. One of

536
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: the shows I watched all the time was Price is

537
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: right right good at it? I can okay, I can guess.

538
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: My wife is always at least like, how do you

539
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 3: know what the price of you know, Ronu roodles or

540
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: noodles or something Ronco.

541
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: Noodles or do you know it to the penny?

542
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've watched so much Price anyway. By Barker four

543
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: were retired, signed off every single show, have you? It

544
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: seems to me a very simple solution to all of this,

545
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: correct it is to simply have pets spade.

546
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: Spade and neutered, and we have an ordinance on the

547
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: books that should absolutely be enforced at every stop that

548
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: an animal control officer makes. And that just unfortunately that

549
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: the limited intake that the sheltered you know, enforced that

550
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: they wouldn't bring the dogs in if they didn't spare

551
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: or newter. So they just they haven't enforced it.

552
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: And so we do have the law on the books, but.

553
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: Nobody, nobody enforces it, and we don't have enough resources.

554
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: As far as spay and neuter in Memphis, we have

555
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: one low income facility, uh low cost facility for spay

556
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: and neuter, but we we really don't have enough of those.

557
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: Now my organization we offer free spaan and neoter and

558
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: we not only offer it free, but I take those

559
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: dogs to the appointment and bring them back the same day.

560
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: Otherwise they wouldn't get to the appointment. So we supply

561
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: not only the surgery for free, the vaccines. We microchip

562
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: the dog to try to help keep that dog out

563
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: of the shelter as well, so if the dog gets

564
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: picked up in the neighborhood, the dog goes home instead

565
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: of the shelter.

566
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll get to that in a minute. That's incredible, right,

567
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: So you're cruising along. Now a couple of years in

568
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: you're putting notes on people's doors, saying, at some point

569
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: this passion of yours becomes allfers rescue les. Correct how

570
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: that all developed?

571
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: Well, you know, so many people have pushed me for

572
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: so long you need to start a five O one.

573
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: You need to you know, make it official.

574
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: And so you're thinking, you're crazy. I'm just out here

575
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: trying to help dogs.

576
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: At first, Yeah, I mean I was just really doing

577
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: it on the weekend and I would go out some

578
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, during the week you know, what have you.

579
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: But it just the more I did, the more I

580
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: realized how desperate, especially in the underserved areas. I mean

581
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: just the backyards, these dogs on chains, and how many

582
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: it's it's we're just scratching the surface.

583
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: Okay, So when when do you say, okay, O one

584
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 3: C three and I'll name it something.

585
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that was twenty fifteen years in. I

586
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: guess at that point I was probably about five years in,

587
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: five or six years in.

588
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so start.

589
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: I have a one C three and just really, you know,

590
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: get use social media to get the word out about

591
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: the work we're doing, and you know, grow that to

592
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: fund it really and you know, file for grants and

593
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: that thing. But the grants have been a little difficult

594
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: just because we're we're not your typical rescue organization. We're

595
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: really more of a community outreach, so it's a different

596
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: dynamic to apply for some of these grants. Now, the

597
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: spay and neuter, once we really dove into that, there's

598
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: more grant opportunities there. But yeah, so it's I really

599
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: once I the more I got involved, I realized we

600
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: can get these dogs fixed. And I mean the backyard

601
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: breeders are just a good portion of the time that's

602
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: not even intentional, but you've got a chained up female,

603
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: it's inevitable even if they were behind a fence there.

604
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's typically not a great fence. That's why

605
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: the dog's on a chain. And you know the males

606
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: are coming from everywhere.

607
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: So so okay, so you start all fours Rescued League

608
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: and you're running around with what.

609
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: Do you have?

610
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you scale that? What do you do?

611
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Well? We you know, I have to route dog food

612
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: deliver you know, now there's the need is so great,

613
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: especially during this economy, that we have to route dog

614
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: food deliveries. I'll go to a certain area one day

615
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: and hit Yeah, so we have people give us addresses,

616
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: can you check out check on this dog. We don't

617
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: think they have dog houses, and so I'll go to

618
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: that address and work out the neighborhood from there, you know,

619
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: or word of mouth. Neighbors say, oh, go help this dog,

620
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: go help that dog. So we every day is different,

621
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: but we try to hit a different area.

622
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: Volunteers. You have employees, what do you we.

623
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: Haven't volunteers that go out And I've actually recruited some

624
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: kids that will go out with me, you know, in from.

625
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: The neighborhood, right right, No kidding, Well, the kids are

626
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: the ones run around the neighborhood. They don't know where their.

627
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: Dogs are, right they know? Yeah? So that I mean

628
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: you are so right with that, because no matter where

629
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: we go, we can stop and ask a kid, do

630
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: you know if where this dog lives or what you know?

631
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: So we can find out astray if it's if it

632
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: has a home, or you know, get details on the neighborhood.

633
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: The kiddos are gonna tell all.

634
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: All right, So let's round this up because I've heard

635
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of pieces. Yes, you provide doghouses to dogs,

636
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: and on dogs, you're working to get them off chained

637
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: off fences or trees or whatever. You're taking them to

638
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: get them spade and neutered. You're microchipping them, You're providing

639
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: education about proper pet care and maintenance. You're providing doghouses

640
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: and dog.

641
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: Food correct all of this for free. And also cages

642
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: to try to get them inside the house too. Yeah, okay,

643
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: we provide cages, the kennels for inside, for inside, especially

644
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: during the winter months, when we are very careful with those.

645
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: We have to do a lot of follow up because

646
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: you it can turn into a neglect situation if you don't,

647
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: you know, And.

648
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: So once you do this, you don't drop it offen.

649
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: You keep coming back, right.

650
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: Keep coming back, checking in and generally if they continue

651
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: to need you know, dog food assistants were there, you know,

652
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: every few weeks. So yeah, we stay in touch, and

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we do come across a property that

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Speaker 1: is a neglect situation, so we have to get authorities involved.

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Speaker 1: I'm very careful to back off and you know, let

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Speaker 1: the authorities handle that. That's not my wheelhouse. Now. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I have to scream a little to get somebody to go,

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Speaker 1: somebody to respond, scream, let's hear it.

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Speaker 3: And that concludes Part one of my conversation with Susie

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Speaker 3: Holland back and you don't want to miss Part two

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Speaker 3: that's now available to listen to. Together, guys, we can

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Speaker 3: change this country, but it starts with you. I'll see

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Speaker 3: in part two