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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: This show is about life, and I love focusing on

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Speaker 1: how to improve my life and yours. I like to

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Speaker 1: get tips from people because I think that's the best

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Speaker 1: way to kind of move forward. I think people need

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Speaker 1: to hear certain advice in order for it to resonate.

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Speaker 1: I got this great email from a listener that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to share Craig Wrights quote, you always ask for

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Speaker 1: tips on how to live a better life, and I

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Speaker 1: thought i'd throw mine out there since whenever I mention

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Speaker 1: it at work, people seem to really like it. In

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Speaker 1: our house, Monday night is cocktail hour for dinner night,

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Speaker 1: nothing crazy, a cheap bottle of wine, cheese and crackers, olives,

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Speaker 1: splurge for the good ones, sliced cucumber and tisicky and

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Speaker 1: usually one hot item, pigs in a blanket, boneless buffalo

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Speaker 1: wings and it's just fantastic. The ritual of it is nice.

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Speaker 1: Having it on a Monday is nice. You never have

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Speaker 1: to figure out what's for dinner that night, and most

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Speaker 1: hand for a couple of weeks in a row, so

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Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about food shopping. It's the

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Speaker 1: perfect way to start the week. I really think doing

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Speaker 1: it on a Monday is a big part of why

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Speaker 1: we enjoy it so much. End quote. I really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: reading that. I like it so much for the simplicity

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Speaker 1: of it. When we look to make positive changes in

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Speaker 1: our lives, and I know I do this too, I

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Speaker 1: feel like we try to do too much. So Okay,

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Speaker 1: how do we make Monday dinners easier and more enjoyable.

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Speaker 1: You can say, Okay, I'm going to spend the weekend

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Speaker 1: meal prepping for the whole.

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Speaker 2: Week, and then maybe you do it. Maybe you do spend.

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Speaker 1: Your whole Sunday getting stuff ready, and then maybe you

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Speaker 1: do it again the next week. And that's great if

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Speaker 1: that works.

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Speaker 2: For you, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: But if you fail to do that, then you feel

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Speaker 1: all bad for yourself, and I don't think that it

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Speaker 1: ends up benefiting you at all. I think making big

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Speaker 1: changes starts with little changes, gradual improvements is what I'm

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Speaker 1: all about. I'm very into making small, incremental changes. That's

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Speaker 1: why I just love this. I love this, you know,

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Speaker 1: Monday cocktail hour thing. It's just such a good, happy, idea.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear more ideas like.

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Speaker 2: This or otherwise.

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Speaker 1: If you have small things you're doing to change your

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Speaker 1: life for the better, email me Carol Maarkowitz Show at

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Speaker 1: whatever you kids are doing these days. Coming up next

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Speaker 1: and interview with Phil Klein. Join us after the break.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Phil Klein, editor of National Review Online.

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Speaker 3: Hi Phil, Hey, good to be here, are you?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Nice to have you on.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I was thinking about this conversation, and

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of times I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to people about out, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like with you, I know I'm going to start

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Speaker 1: with pizza, which is maybe not what people are expecting,

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Speaker 1: but it's important.

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Speaker 2: Both very into pizza.

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Speaker 1: We have a shared affinity for it, and we travel

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Speaker 1: places to go eat it. But you take it a

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Speaker 1: step further and you make it at home. And do

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Speaker 1: you still ship in water from New York?

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Speaker 3: Or is that I've kind of gotten lazy just because

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Speaker 3: logistically it's kind of hard to always I used to

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Speaker 2: Just that's normal, yeah, just for making.

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Speaker 3: Some Lately, when I make pizza, I tend to use

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Speaker 3: When I visit New York, there's always just more stuff

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Speaker 2: You know, it seems crazy? So did the local water

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Speaker 3: I've had pretty good results I've been, I tend to lately,

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Speaker 3: I've been making more Brooklyn Square pizza as opposed to

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Speaker 3: fancy pizza, right, but it's harder to find like what

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Speaker 1: Is that what you make at home, like the upside

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Speaker 3: Like that I do I have? Actually it was based.

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Speaker 3: recipe that you would sent me like ten years too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going I need you to send that back

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Speaker 2: now now that I cook.

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Speaker 3: Some people, I mean now, of course they have a

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Speaker 3: when I was starting out, that wasn't an option. And

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Speaker 3: the right go on the Internet and some of the

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Speaker 3: like how you could get the temperature hot right eizza oven? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: one guy figured out that on the self cleaning mode

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Speaker 1: I sort of love that, Like I love that the

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Speaker 1: Internet is full of crazy people who have done wacky

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Speaker 1: things that they tell other people about. Like you can

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Speaker 1: google anything, right, It's like literally anything that you want

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Speaker 2: Just a search away. I really appreciate that. Like, how

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Speaker 1: Disengage my oven during cleaning mode to make pizza at

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Speaker 1: seven hundred degrees? Here's how you do it with kitchen

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Speaker 1: shears or gardening shears. Yeah, yeah, it's great, you know.

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Speaker 1: When you know, when we moved to Florida, people were like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I really don't.

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Speaker 2: I really don't. I have other things that I miss.

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Speaker 1: I always talk about Asian food is like just really

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of very very good pizza places, not

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Speaker 1: just that thin crust you know, fancy pizza, which look

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Speaker 1: I love that, but a lot of very New York

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Speaker 1: and my guess about why that is. And I, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of the Italian Americans moved out

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Speaker 1: Very Italian and they opened their places here and so

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Speaker 1: I don't miss pizza. I think that they've gone everywhere

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Speaker 1: and they're making the pizza and I don't think maybe.

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Speaker 2: The New York water doesn't matter. Maybe that's really what

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Speaker 3: I mean, the thing that I will say is that

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Speaker 3: like which honestly it's harder to find in New York

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't necessarily wait in line two hours for Yes, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not the destination. It's corner, amazing corner.

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Speaker 3: Place and do everything just pretty good like an arms.

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Speaker 3: You want that the garlic bread is like, yeah, those

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Speaker 1: Out, absolutely, and I think they're hard to find in

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Speaker 1: New York. I mean when I lived in Park Slope, we.

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Speaker 2: Did not have that.

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Speaker 1: There was one place, I know, you know, and everybody

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Speaker 1: talks about that one place, Luigi's, and it's really the

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Speaker 1: only one, and it's old school, it has been around

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Speaker 1: a while, but all the other corner places were just.

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Speaker 3: Okay place smiling pizza or smiling pizza.

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Speaker 2: On the Yeah, on Ninth Street, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I never I've never been there since I've left Park.

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Speaker 1: Right, You're not like, let's go back there, but I

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Speaker 1: like that, you know, the destination pizza places in Brooklyn

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Speaker 1: are still good. Obviously, Defara's, Gisipena's, La Colli's, all those,

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Speaker 2: It's not that.

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Speaker 1: It's just that you can get great pizza elsewhere and

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Speaker 1: you know. That's the That's the thing about moving and

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Speaker 1: leaving New York, Phil, It turns out life exists somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: I tried to tell you, I know, I know.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: The joke is that for a long long time Phil

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Speaker 1: and I met New York and then he moved away,

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Speaker 1: and I was, you know, kind of bitter about it,

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Speaker 1: and I would always say, like, he has to move back,

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Speaker 1: and he'd kind of say, you know, no, there's some

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Speaker 1: good stuff going on outside.

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Speaker 2: New York too, And so now I maybe believe him.

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Speaker 3: Of course, the history is like Carol's always like ten

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Speaker 3: maybe the first thing you ever said to me was, oh,

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Speaker 3: fake Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: Well I still believe that.

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Speaker 1: I still think of Park Slope as fake Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: Uh yes, But but with.

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Speaker 1: The acknowledgement that I was living in Like why we

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Speaker 1: liked park Slope was that it was Manhattane. It was

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Speaker 1: like Manhattane, but like a little better. It had neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: you know, more of a neighborhood. You feel people knew

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Speaker 1: very city orientated, as opposed to where I grew up,

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Speaker 1: which I consider real Brooklyn. Deeper in Brooklyn, very ethnic,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, I stand by the fake Brooklyn characterization,

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Speaker 1: even though I did end up there, and even though, yes, Phil,

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Speaker 1: you were right, it turns out, you know, you were

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Speaker 3: I feel like the boundaries of fake Brooklyn, though, have

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Speaker 2: What do you enjoy writing about most?

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're still young, but I imagine that when there

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Speaker 1: you know, so living a good life, all of that,

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Speaker 1: I think is tied into having somebody. And I know

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Speaker 1: that that's you know, it's not a controversial opinion in

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Speaker 1: our world, but and here with your best tip for

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Speaker 1: my listeners on how they can live a better life

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Speaker 1: and it can be, you know, eat more pizza and

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think to tie this into pizza,

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Speaker 3: I would say. My view is you should always just

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Speaker 3: of learn how to make pizza and bagels the way

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Speaker 3: I like them. But I've done that. I've learned how

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Speaker 3: to smoke meat in recent years, so that's been a

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Speaker 3: of the pandemic. You're a bread baking. I'd like gotten

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Speaker 3: very out of shape. So I took up swimming because

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Speaker 3: I hate you know, I hate running. I hate exercise.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the worst.

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Speaker 3: People that that exercise all the time, just doing machinery.

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Speaker 3: But like swimming is amazing. It's just because it's sort

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Speaker 3: And also it's the one time where even though you

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Speaker 2: No no, no, you're you're just connected. That's the best.

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Speaker 3: And it's just like the one time where if if

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Speaker 3: you know, bomb went off somewhere, like I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to find out about it later. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the way it's supposed to go. I think that

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Speaker 2: that's a normal way to live.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I would just say if there's something that

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Speaker 3: you're thinking of doing, I don't know, if it's learning

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Speaker 1: Or what.

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Speaker 3: I find that it is a good constantly keep things

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Speaker 3: interesting by just trying new stuff.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Phil Klein, thanks for coming on read him

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Speaker 1: at National Review. Thanks so much for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the Carol Marco which show.

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