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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,

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Speaker 1: the Very unprofessional podcast, whereby I your unqualified guide talk

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Speaker 1: through some of the big changes and transitions of our

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Speaker 1: twenties and what they mean for our psychology. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I hope your week has been well,

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Speaker 1: that's something amazing has happened, or you got some cool news.

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Speaker 1: I'm recording this with a little cat on my lap

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Speaker 1: right now and it's very, very satisfying. But this week

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Speaker 1: we're going to be delving into the chaos, the absolute

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Speaker 1: fucking nightmare of the nine to five job. This is

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Speaker 1: a topic that my friends and I talk about all

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Speaker 1: the time, and the general conclusion we most often reach

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Speaker 1: is that the nine to five jobs should be abolished,

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Speaker 1: left for dead. It's not a happy way of life

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Speaker 1: for many, I think, and myself included. So today we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about how a nine to five is

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Speaker 1: not conducive to a healthy, rounded and happy way of living,

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Speaker 1: especially when we're young. And we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: special guest come on later. But first let's just talk

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Speaker 1: about some of the psychological concepts behind why nine to

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Speaker 1: work can be a big part of our identity and

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Speaker 1: offer some pretty key insights into what's important to us.

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Speaker 1: So it is a really rich area of psychological study,

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Speaker 1: and for many people in the twenties, the transition to

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Speaker 1: We have those fun years in university, in high school.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of freedom to work the jobs

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Speaker 1: that we have our days and you know, well our

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Speaker 1: the typical nine to five work week. So I've had

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Speaker 1: this experience recently. I work the typical nine to five

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Speaker 1: The thing that really got was that mononymous procedure of

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Speaker 1: and so much of your day becomes devoted to this

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Speaker 1: or organization, which can be you know, insanely unfulfilling in

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Speaker 1: many instances. And I especially began to notice this when

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Speaker 1: so you don't feel like, you know, an absolute robot,

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Speaker 1: and you finish up after five, when the sun is set.

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Speaker 1: And where where's your day gone? Where is this natural

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Speaker 1: with the hours you have left? How do you create

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Speaker 1: Now I know this is not the case for anyone.

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Speaker 1: Some people find work and jobs and inspire them and

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Speaker 1: There's also that element of money, you know, in a

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Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, this dilemma between being a free spirit

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Speaker 1: And when I started investigating this and the psychology behind

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Speaker 1: But enough of my rant. Let's just get into the

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Speaker 1: psychology behind full time work. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: So what is it about this system that creates such unhappiness?

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Speaker 1: break it down from an evolutionary perspective to begin So, humans,

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Speaker 1: they didn't evolve to work a nine to five job.

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Speaker 1: We evolved as hunter gatherers, and our innate instincts, our minds,

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Speaker 1: long hours they do cause fatigue, both physical and men.

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Speaker 1: And that fatigue affects not just the last few hours

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Speaker 1: being at your desk, being like, I just want to

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Speaker 1: go outside. I remember being terrified when you told me

432
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Speaker 1: when you're working at your old job and that building. Yeah,

433
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: you would say to me like, oh, it was bucketing

434
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Speaker 1: down rain today. But I've made a promise to myself

435
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: to always eat my lunch outside. So I went and

436
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: sat outside. Yeah, And I was just sitting in the rain. Yeah,

437
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, it sounds fucking

438
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: terrible like you. Yeah. I mean the other thing I do,

439
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: because I really don't enjoy sitting inside all day, is

440
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: I eat lunch outside. I try to do that as

441
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: often as I can, and I cycle to them from work.

442
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 1: And I was saying recently to my housemaid, shout out

443
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Speaker 1: tonight if you're listening him, that my favorite part of

444
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: work now is not work, because work would never be

445
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: my favorite part of my day, but actually cycling to

446
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: and from work and doing exercise, because that's how I've

447
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: built in looking after myself. When eight hours of the day,

448
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: which in winter is all of your daylight, is gone,

449
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: literally nothing. We live in camera and it's like sunsets

450
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: at five, sunsets at five, So if you're working nine

451
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: to five, you don't get daylight hours and so that's

452
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: my motivation to exercise, is I cycled to and from

453
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: work because I can, luckily, which is obviously not something

454
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: that everybody can do, but that really really helps me

455
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: and helps maintain my mental health. And I think the

456
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: really interesting thing actually there's probably a direct correlation between

457
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 1: nine to five and me actually realizing I have to

458
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: look after my mental health, Like don't I don't know

459
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: whether people remember, yeah that when I started my job,

460
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: I like suddenly, like my ninety five job, I suddenly

461
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: got very into like running because I was like, I

462
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: have to walk. It was a big thing. What are

463
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: you doing? Because we used to live around like literally

464
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: like I'm going to each other and what are you doing?

465
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: Can I come over and be like I'm on a walk? Yeah,

466
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: just because I needed to breathe fresh air and be outside. Um,

467
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: because it's just a big thing. And I had this

468
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: realization today when I was leaving work and just quickly disclaim, up,

469
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: we I don't know about you. I love my job

470
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: like I love the people I work. Okay, very very

471
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: so glad that you feel that way. I love people

472
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: at my work, but I don't think I share the

473
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: same sentiment. I go to work to get paid. Yeah

474
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 1: and hopefully one day, Well me too, Like yeah, like

475
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: it's not I wouldn't go if I was a volunteer.

476
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: Are people who would go to work if they if

477
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Speaker 1: they weren't being paid, because that is they've been brainwashed.

478
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: That's why simple explanation. It was like people, no, don't

479
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: get it. It's also like people who volunteer like in

480
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: old age. I'm like, I get it, but I'm also

481
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: havingly I don't know. I'm like you with your whole life.

482
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: Now you're retired, you're gonna go work for free because

483
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Speaker 1: you can't do anything other than work. I actually really

484
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: like volunteering though, but if it's like I don't know,

485
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just doing what I haven't tried yet. Yeah,

486
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: I think it depends what volunteering you're doing. I find

487
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot of satisfaction in volunteering because I know that

488
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: what I'm doing actually contributes. But is it like you're

489
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: outside because you often do like tree planting volunteering. Yeah, always,

490
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: not always. So I did volunteering for a while where

491
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: I worked in like a Vinney's, like an equivalent of

492
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: a Viney's overseas, and I loved that that was amazing.

493
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: That was a lot because of like human connection as

494
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: well and being able to talk to people. Okay, and

495
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: I volunteer. Yeah, and I volunteered for a group called

496
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: Sea Change who are nonproprofiting camera and I do that

497
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: because I like, I like it and I think I

498
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: like them. The feeling of contributing to being part of

499
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: a community, that that's like a big value for me. Yeah,

500
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: so community is another big thing we should talk about. Yeah, definitely, Um,

501
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. And I think that's probably

502
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: what I do enjoy about work is having like a

503
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: network of people. Yeah, That's that's what I was saying about.

504
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: Like I really love the people I work with, Like

505
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: the things I do feel somewhat meaningful. I have responsibility,

506
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: and I think that is really important. By the way,

507
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: not to interrupt you, but if you are working in

508
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: a nine to five job and you have the ability

509
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: to change where you are, and you are not feeling

510
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: fulfilled where you are, just move find somewhere that does fit. Yeah,

511
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: if you have that flexibility. So what Aaron's all about? Like,

512
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: I am a notorious job quitter, Like if I don't

513
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 1: like where I'm working, quit quit quick. Like as you should.

514
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: Life is too short if you have the option too,

515
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: life is way too short to sit in a job. Yeah,

516
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: and especially I think while you're young and you don't

517
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: have a mortgage, you don't have kids, you don't have

518
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: looming financial responsibilities, why not? Yeah? And this is the

519
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: thing about like being in your twenties, Like a lot

520
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: of us do have that freedom, and it's like why

521
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: do we submit to something that doesn't work for us?

522
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: And I have that Like my friends used to always

523
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: joke with me, like you're a notorious like oh, how

524
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: many jobs are you working now? Like where are you

525
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: working now? Gema? Because I would constantly change. But I

526
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: had this really very strong feeling like right now, well

527
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: does my oyster? Yeah? So much freedom? Why would I

528
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: stay in a workplace that I don't feel valued in

529
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: working hours, I don't feel valued in you know, it

530
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: just isn't worth it. And it's not worth it when

531
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: you're young and you have so much health and stamina

532
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: and opportunity and friendships. Yeah, to just sacrifice that. Yeah,

533
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: And this is that obviously there are people in positions

534
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: to not who can't do that. Yeah. And then in

535
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: which case I think I had an amazing conversation with

536
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: my psychologists the other day about the concept that if

537
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: you do have to be where you are and like

538
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: that's something that's important to you because you need to

539
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: grow your income or for whatever reason, you know you

540
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: maybe you do have financial responsibiy. Yeah, yeah, And it's

541
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: always as well, there are people who work to support

542
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: what they love in other aspects of their life, so

543
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: they'll work to be able to do other things that

544
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: they really like. And I think that's you know, that's

545
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: obviously a value as well, if you do have that

546
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 1: kind of balance. But um, my psychologists, I'm not going

547
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: to name her, but shout out huge shout out to you.

548
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: I will I will tell it. I she'd like it,

549
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: recommend it to our patients. We can get some more

550
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: the listeners. Many people in Canberra public services, I would

551
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: say the majority of our friends. I would say almost

552
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: all of our friends work in jobs that either serve

553
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: the public service or are the public service. So even

554
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: if they are like not working in a department or

555
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: like a branch or a group like that's what my

556
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: job is, primarily serving the public service. So you really

557
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: like it gets ingrained in me. And there's a lot

558
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: of Actually there benefits, Like there's a lot of flexibility

559
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: in the public service, and I'm able to go down

560
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: to photos so weak at the moment because of the

561
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: stability with that. But anyway, so she was talking about

562
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: this concept of happiness. If you are not somebody who

563
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: loves to work and work as you're alive, happiness is

564
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: not just going to strike you at work like a

565
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: lightning bolt from above, and you're not just going to

566
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: sit there and become super deliriously happy. Yeah, it's not

567
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: going to happen. And all my life, I think because

568
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: of the conversations that everybody has around careers and work

569
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: and what you're going to be and finding filment through

570
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: what you do, I always thought that if I found

571
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: a job that fit totally right, I would just experience

572
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: insurmountable happiness, like a dream job, like a dream. Oh

573
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: my good comfort of a dream. Abolish it. Abolish it,

574
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: concept of a dream job. Hate it. Because she literally said,

575
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: even if you work in something that you're completely fulfilled in,

576
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: it is scientifically impossible to be happy eight hours of

577
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: that day. Yeah. True. You can't yeah, or to be

578
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: stimulated or to be stimulated or not bored or bored constantly,

579
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: and even if you are stimulating, we stressed, Yeah, you

580
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: can't keep your attention for eight hours of a day.

581
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: It's literally scientifically impossible unless you're on drugs. Yeah, even

582
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: then you still go to the bathroom. Maybe not, I

583
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: don't know what you're taking. But and for me that

584
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: just I found it such a concept. And she said,

585
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: you've got to create moments of happiness in your day

586
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: at work. So for me, I like cycle to him

587
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: from work. That's a huge bit of my happiness. I

588
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: have lunch with my friend, shout out, lindsay love you,

589
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: friend of the show, a friend of the show. I

590
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: have lunch with her almost every day. I love it.

591
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: Half an hour to just chat shit. Yeah about the world. Yeah,

592
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: not the public service though, we never chat about the

593
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: public service. Never, totally. No, we would never talk about

594
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: work on our lunch break. Not abolish work. Yeah, actually

595
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: you shouldn't talk about where we shouldn't we had Sorry

596
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: just to interject, you had this moment. No, it's like

597
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: we were having dinner, just like hanging out, and we

598
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: got into like work chats, and I came and we

599
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: haven't seen each other for like a week. Gust I

600
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: was sitting on the couch and I got into work

601
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: chat and I really had a moment where I was like,

602
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: I always promise myself, did you ever do this when

603
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: you're a kid, You're like, I'm not going to work

604
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: at nine to five? Like, oh, people who talk about

605
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: work on their three days, they're still late. And then

606
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: there I was I have never ever pictured myself sitting

607
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: in front of a computer in an office, and I've

608
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: been doing that for a year of my life. Wow.

609
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: And I have many moments during the day where I

610
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: sit there at my computer and I go, what the

611
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: heck is going on here? What am I doing? What

612
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: am I doing? But you know, it's skills gaining the world.

613
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: It's the way of the eighty is the way of

614
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: the world. It's one of those things. And I don't

615
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: think anybody preps you for it. No, well I actually

616
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: think maybe they do. Like school kind of preps you

617
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: for it, think about like going to school when you're

618
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: But that's the thing I had this thought, and not

619
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: in a good way that it preps you for it,

620
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: but like a whole life, were conditioned to give up

621
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: the hours of our day to something that we might

622
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: not always see a purpose in like you go to

623
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: school from eight thirty three thirty and then you know,

624
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: go to work from nine to five. Like I used

625
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: to fall asleep in school classes. Yeah, I'm sure you

626
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: would have. You would have been so bored. How can

627
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 1: you how can you sit down that long? Anyway? So

628
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: in terms of creating happiness in your workday, so you

629
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: don't feel like that like me sitting at my desk

630
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: going what the fuck am I doing? In existential having

631
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: an existential crisis every single moment, you know, She was like,

632
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: go get coffee if that's something that you like. Do

633
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: something in the builds connection if that's something you like,

634
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, And I really I really appreciate that concept.

635
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: And like going for a little walk in the afternoon,

636
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: walk do it? Go for a little walk? Who's stopping you?

637
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: You know? And let's talk about that. So that's actually

638
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: really good skills, like really good habits to form, because

639
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't have that right now, Like, yeah,

640
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: I often skip my lunch breaker, often don't go outside.

641
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: I absolutely not. I drive to work and then today

642
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I saw the sunset and I like almost cried because

643
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, real existence. But let's talk about

644
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: making the most of your off time because you do

645
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: a really good job at that, do I Yeah, you

646
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: do it. You're so good at it. I always like

647
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: you just prioritize your friends, you do things that make

648
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: you happy. Yeah, Like she works nine to five and

649
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: she still has time to volunteer, Like, yeah, I've volunteered

650
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: for about six years. Well, and it's what you value, right,

651
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't value work, So I think I do put

652
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: a lot of time and energy into doing things, like

653
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: on almost every day that I work, because I work

654
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: four days and I'm at the moment on two of

655
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: those four days. So fifty percent I have a set

656
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: activity that I know I will be doing every week,

657
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: and then the other fifty percent of that time I

658
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: usually feel with spending time with friends. So I go

659
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: to poll on Tuesday nine, which I love. So that's

660
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: like my first day back at work. Absolutely heinous, gross,

661
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: But I get to go to poll on the evening,

662
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: and that's something I really like. I tried to get

663
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: her into spin classes, but we tried once. We tried

664
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: to spin On Wednesday. I cycle, so why would I

665
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: spe when I cycle? But I still loved it, still

666
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: loved it, of course, yeah, and then on Thursday, I

667
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: play netball and it's like social netball, which is amazing

668
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: and I've never pictured myself playing netball either, but it's

669
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: really good because I get to spend time with a

670
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people that I really like and they're

671
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 1: super lovely. And then on Friday, I usually do something

672
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: really fun with my friends. Yeah, normally we get drunk

673
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: or I go out for drinks. They're Actually that's an

674
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: interesting topic, people drinking to forget the fact that they

675
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: have to work five days a week, because I think

676
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: that is a big thing to talk about. That's a

677
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: big trend, especially in camera where a lot of people

678
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: have disposable incomes and no children so and a job

679
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: that means that they have both days on the weekend off. Yeah.

680
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: So it's also a lot of young people, Like maybe

681
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: I feel like most of the people who are listening,

682
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: but like it's a lot of people who are like

683
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: under the age of thirty, moved it for the aps

684
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: and have just come into heaps of money off and

685
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: moved out of home, and it is a huge thing. Also,

686
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: the big thing is if you're young, like this is

687
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: meant to be your time to really figure yourself out.

688
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: If you're working all the time. When you do have

689
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: time off, there's this huge compulsion to be like I

690
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: need to have fun. I need to be fun, I

691
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: need to like do things, make memories. And often that's like,

692
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: well I need to be drunk, or like what's the

693
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: socialize right and camera, there's not much to do if

694
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: you're okay, we're not really outdoorsy people, like we have

695
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: a lot of friends who like you ride me back,

696
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: but like we have friends who are like, go to

697
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: the snow u ye, tenaya, Lucy, they always go skiing,

698
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: they always cycle meg. Yeah. I think there's a lot

699
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: of people who do the weekend activities to require traveling

700
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: and then your whole weekend this spank camping. I wish

701
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: I could be that person. I think we should work

702
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: on it. Maybe, um, hey, we're going to Braidwood this weekend.

703
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: We're going to Braidwo. That's making the most of your week.

704
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: But this is the we need We got off well

705
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: actually quickly please sorry. We often get off tracking our conversations,

706
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: in case you haven't noticed. That's the thing, right, And

707
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: if you have three days a weekend, three days on

708
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: your weekend, you can have a day going on a

709
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: little trip, and your other days you don't only then

710
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: have one day to get your whole life together and

711
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: then go back to work on Monday. You have two

712
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: days to get your life back together and go back

713
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: to work. Or you could take a night time. You

714
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: could go for a night. I mean you could do that.

715
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: I guess if you go on. They got two days

716
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: a week. Yeah, two days a week. Just basically what

717
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: we're saying is so much more opportunity just to do

718
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: more things. Yeah, And like Aaron was staying and like

719
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: we kind of went off this point a little bit,

720
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: But I do really want to talk about it because

721
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: I think you raised a really good point. When everyone's young,

722
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: everyone's been forced to these lives that they don't necessarily love.

723
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: You've kind of cut short your young years, Pature. I've

724
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: become like a fifty year old. I'm sitting here on

725
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: my couch with my cat. Yeah, am I drinking tea?

726
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: Drinking tea? Am I fifty? What what happened to my

727
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: like twenty years? But this is the thing, because you

728
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: always have that like what happened to my is? What

729
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: happened to my young years? Where were they? What did

730
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: I do Yeah, and linked yeah, and they was gone.

731
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: And now I've sitting in an office. Yeah, I know.

732
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: Now you sit in an office. And I think that

733
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: is a thing that really like because this is the

734
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: time to be young. And like we're talking about psychology here,

735
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: our brains don't really want to be pushed in. We're

736
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: still developing, so our brains are seeking new stimulation, new memories,

737
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: new experiences. So you often see like there's nothing to

738
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: do on the weekend. A lot of people have disposable income.

739
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: Go out and get drunk, go out and drink and

740
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: forget that, you know, and then you have to go

741
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: to work in the day. Yeah, and the days then

742
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's awful because then you get really hungover

743
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: and then not your whole Sunday is scorn anyhow, So

744
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: now you only have a one day weekend. Yeah, so

745
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: you know there is I actually there is actually a

746
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: formula to making your days good. What is it? I've

747
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: told you about this whole told me really Okay, so

748
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: again sting my beautiful psychologist shout out um. She said

749
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: that when I started having my Mondays off, she said, Okay,

750
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: that's great. Don't spend all day on the couch resting,

751
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: because whilst rest is great, you need to do something

752
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: that makes you feel fulfilled. And so she said that

753
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: you need to do something on that day that brings

754
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: you joy, So something that you really like. So that

755
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: could be like spending time with friends. Or I often

756
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: like do a little bit of planting, like a new

757
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: little plant, plant some seedlings, painting, painting, reading, reading, Um,

758
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: something that's practical, so prepping dinner for next week, laundry.

759
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: I often try to clean every Monday so the house

760
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: is nice and clean for the week ahead. Um. You

761
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: need to do something that's cognitive, so it like eaches

762
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: a scratch in your brain. So easy. One is watching

763
00:39:52,280 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: a documentary but scrabble crosswords crosswords scrabble, yes, I haven't

764
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: thought of that one words. But or like researching a

765
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: topic that you're really into, or you for qualification, you

766
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: want podcast about something scientific or that's kind of my

767
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: role of interest is like science and the climate and

768
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Or like doing a bit of reading.

769
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: You read the I read heaps, you read it so much.

770
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: You read really intellectual stuff. I don't think so. I

771
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: think I just read like really weird novels that are

772
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: like kind of whack. But you were talking about reading that.

773
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So my friend got like a New Yorker

774
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: subscriptions and like when he's finished with them, he gives

775
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: them to me. And I read this really insanely good

776
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: article about the rise of a variant cancer and like

777
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: rural Alabama and like the intersection between that and like

778
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: medicaid and how like, yeah, this is a real detourl

779
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: but it's a really good art. That's that's something that's cognitive, right, Yeah,

780
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: And it was actually was really fulfilling because I read

781
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: it right before bed, and I felt like I had

782
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: done something that challenged my brain rather than just pressing

783
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: a button or the excels a sheet. And then you've

784
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: got to do something that's physical, so exercise, So go

785
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: for a walk. I love going for a walk up

786
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: a hill where I live at the moment, and if

787
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: you time it right, you can see a little sunset.

788
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: Oh she's gorgeous. It's like a combination of joy, combination

789
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: of joy, all the others, all the others. So something

790
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: that brings you joy, something that is practical, Yeah, something

791
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: that's cognitive, and something that's physical. There you go, there's

792
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: the equation. That's the equation. So if you do all

793
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: of those things in your day, then you'll feel better.

794
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: You'll feel better. But I don't want to say you'll

795
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: be happy, because happiness is a construct, but it is

796
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: that really helps me and that makes me feel like

797
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: i've because productivity, sometimes, I think can there's a very

798
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: narrow field of what productivity actually is, and I think

799
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: sometimes there's a big pushed to be production and what

800
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: does productivity look like? And the rise of that girl,

801
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah trend on Instagram, which we could talk about ours,

802
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: so we won't going well, we'll do it on our

803
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: other episodes. Yeah, but that's also tied to like professional

804
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: success and like having everything put together, and like a

805
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: big part of that is like having the job or

806
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: like working towards the job. And I think what we're

807
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: really talking about here is like if we took the

808
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: job out of the equation or the nine to five job,

809
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: would everything really fall apart or would everyone get a

810
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: little bit happier? Like universal basic income. Just look at

811
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: the studies done with the universal basic income and how

812
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: those that want to work work, people who find joy

813
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: in working work, and people who don't get to pursue

814
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: what they actually love. And I feel like everyone falls

815
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: into place of doing things that, like, you know, that

816
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: they would enjoy like, and that would actually they'd be

817
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: good at, they'd be specialized at. You would have more

818
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: productivity and efficiency, I think because you wouldn't have a

819
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: bunch of people who feel compelled to work but not

820
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: motivated to work, which is a huge thing. I'm sure

821
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: you've seen like so many people who are like, Oh,

822
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: I've got to go to work. And when they get

823
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: to work, do you really think they're going to be

824
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, I'm at work, Like, let me put

825
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: in everything I've got, let me really commit to this. No,

826
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: they're not going to flip and do that, especially when

827
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: you're in your twenties or in your thirties, or when

828
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: you're young and you have so much other shit that

829
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: you want to do. And I just think like, yeah,

830
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: I just don't think that it necessarily works. And I

831
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: think with what you were saying about that equation, you've

832
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: got these four things you need to prioritize. Do you

833
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: find it easier to do it on days when you're

834
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: not working? On days when you are, Oh, I don't

835
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: think about it on days I work because I simply

836
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: do not have time there. We go because by the

837
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: time I have woken up, yeah, got myself to work,

838
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: being at work, come home, I've got what three or

839
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: four hours left in the day. Yeah, and most of

840
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: that is spent eating dinner or having to cook dinner.

841
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: So you're home by five. You want to be in

842
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: bed by ten. Yeah, yeah, you want to be in

843
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: bed by tenn feel like absolute crap the next one.

844
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: You've got a shower, You've got a tidy up, do

845
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: whatever you need to do in your house. So care

846
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: of yourself, take care of yourself, eat so well. I'm

847
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day often, as somebody who

848
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: is a little bit introverted, I often just sit and

849
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: watch television because I'm like, I do not have the

850
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: mental capacity to do anything else that is slightly challenging. Yeah,

851
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: or you know, you go and do something that is good,

852
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: like you go to netball. There's your physical thing and

853
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: there's your joy thing. Not really practical, but yeah, like

854
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: physical and joyful. There's two things that are really nice,

855
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: somewhat cognitive. But it's also like, but then you have

856
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: less time to take care of yourself completely. So it's

857
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: this whole thing. If it's like when eight hours of

858
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: your day are gone and the first three hours two

859
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: hours are spent just fucking getting ready and going to work, Well,

860
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: I lie in bed for an hour because I literally

861
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: don't want to go to work. Oh terrible. I always

862
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: get my large take past seven, but I get up

863
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: at seven forty, Yeah, because I wait to wake up

864
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: and then be like, oh, I get a snooze a

865
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 1: little bit, because if I wake up at seven forty,

866
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to be like, it's just not going to go. Well, yeah,

867
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: I've been it'd really been cutting it finner and finn

868
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: Like today I woke up at seven fifty and I

869
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, for forty minutes to get out of

870
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: the door, Like I've actually I managed to perfect it

871
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: down to fifteen minutes getting out of the door. At

872
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: one stage when I just was so sad about going

873
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: to work, I couldn't get out of bed, which is

874
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: not that's not a good space to ban and I'm

875
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: not there anymore. When I first started working my ninety

876
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: five job, and there have been occasions as well that

877
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: I have literally had to like I've not been able

878
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: to get out of bed in the morning and I've

879
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: slept in and then I've woken up at eleven and

880
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: I've had to call work and have a chat to

881
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: that would be like, Hey, this is going on. My

882
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: mental health is not great at the moment, and I'm

883
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: luckily they've been really understanding. But how much of that

884
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: do you think was tied to work? Do you think

885
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: it was? Just like I think it really it really

886
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: was tied to work, and it was tied to the

887
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: fact that I had no time for myself and I

888
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: was just so exhausted and my mind was just not

889
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: able to cope at all. And I think as well,

890
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 1: like if you have a mental illness, like I find

891
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: it really important to have time to prioritize just looking

892
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: after myself because sometimes looking after yourself is quite difficult

893
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: and sometimes it does take time to do things that

894
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: other people could do quite quickly, you know. Um, so

895
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: part of that is like if I have more time

896
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: on the weekend, it is easier to do stuff like that. Yeah. No,

897
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: that's a really big thing. And I'm glad that you

898
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: kind of recognize that and kind of took control and like, yeah,

899
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: this needs to change. But it's you know, and you're

900
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: really lucky that you they were somewhat Yeah, No, I

901
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: was really lucky alessible around that ilexible. Yeah, but do

902
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: you think if you weren't working your nine to five,

903
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: what do you think you would be doing? Was that

904
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: too much of a scary question? No? Um, sorry, I'm

905
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: taking a moment to think. I had a concept to

906
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: one stage really wanting to be able to do wolfing,

907
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 1: which is like working on an organic farm wolfing woo

908
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: f maybe just want to fum and so basically you

909
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: work on an organic farm for free in exchange for

910
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: like shelter and food. Wow, this is a real socialist episode,

911
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: universal basing income free. Yeah, well because I was. I

912
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: think I really enjoy doing things where they're super practical

913
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: and whilst I did not grow up in a farm

914
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: in buy any shape or form. I love plants, which

915
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: you know she does. I own a lot of house

916
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: plants and staring at them all right now it's about fifteen.

917
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: They are very hard to miss. They are in your face.

918
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: Well there's fifteen on that one table alone, I know

919
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: the whole just screw book around and there's even more.

920
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I just love the concept to like

921
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: maybe live in a commune. Yeah, oh gosh, that's a

922
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: terrible thing to say. No it's not, it's not at all.

923
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: But why this? I feel like it's very like no, basic,

924
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: No it's not. But if it's basic, we have to

925
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: also examine, like why there's so many people want to do,

926
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: Like how many people listening have those fantasies dropping everything

927
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: and going and living in a van or traveling the

928
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: world or moving to a new country, or like living

929
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: in a commune. I think it's super stigmatized because it's

930
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: the absolute other end of the spectrum from what a

931
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: couple of society expects of you. Yeah, and so I

932
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: find that sigmatized, like you're trying to be like unique,

933
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: Like look at you go. It's like, actually, maybe you're

934
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: just doing the thing that's right for you and you

935
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: just are scared that you can't do it. Well, who

936
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: who is meant to be living in an office? No?

937
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: One not living? Sorry? Well practically yeah, if you consider

938
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: you're spending how much five percent of your waking hours

939
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: at work, But that does not include you know, the

940
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: time's been getting ready for work, the commute, Like I'm

941
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: what like an hour commute every day? Oh my goodness,

942
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: Like I have to leave thirty minutes earlier, and then

943
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: it takes me thirty minutes to get home. It's another hour.

944
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: Then you have to get ready for work. Then you

945
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: have to depress from work, and you have to have

946
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: a shower, and then you know, if you want to

947
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: go to the gym. Like, there's just all these things

948
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,959
Speaker 1: that become so much more limited, Whereas if you worked

949
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: in a commune, you really have a lot more time

950
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: just to actually exist and know yourself. And I think

951
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: that's so important. I'm what working in an office does

952
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: not do allow you space or time to be an individual,

953
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: being an individual, because that's the last thing that capitalism

954
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: will want. Yeah, can you imagine the world before apart

955
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: if people actually realize that. And again, if this is

956
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: your goal in life, I'm not dissing it, but moving

957
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: up in a workplace, what is it like, what is

958
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: it going to serve you? What are you going to

959
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: get from that apart from like a weird narcissistic sense

960
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: of power and money and money obviously. Yeah, I thought

961
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: this as well, because I think when I was in

962
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: high school, I was really like, all I want to

963
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: do is make keep some money and be super successful.

964
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: And everyone admire me. But why did you want to

965
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: do that? Because I didn't have anything else that I

966
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: thought would bring me meaning wow. So when I that's

967
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: the thing, because I was like, this is what I've

968
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: been taught will bring me, meaning this is what I imagine.

969
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: People admire people who were rich, people admire people who

970
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: were successful, and I'm so dependent on people admiring me.

971
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: And then I got to UNI and about my second

972
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: third year, I was like, really restructured that whole ideal,

973
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: and I just had this moment where I was just like,

974
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: that is actually not going to work for me. It's

975
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: just not going to work for me because I'm a

976
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: bit of a hypocrite because I do work nine to

977
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: five now, don't know, but your life goal to become

978
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: the CEO? Hell no, exactly, Hell no, you're not a hypocrite.

979
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: You just exist within a capitalist or something. But also,

980
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm working because I know that I need money to

981
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: go off and do the things that I want to do.

982
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: And I think I've also been able to do other

983
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: stuff alongside it, like I do this podcast, like have

984
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: heaps of time for other things in my life. But yeah,

985
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: I think that that was a huge thing that I

986
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: had in my mind like this is what I need

987
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: for my life, like this is what I want, And

988
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: then I had to completely rethink it. And I used

989
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: to always be like, oh, I'm imagine people who like,

990
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: you're just going to be a bum all day. I

991
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: was very conservative. I'm not now. Obviously that's discussed in

992
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: the last episode. Yeah, yeah, done a one eighty. But

993
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: I really think it's like restructuring your priorities. And I

994
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: think a lot of people hit that point where they

995
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: have that conundrum. And why do you think people have

996
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: a midlife crisis? Yeah exactly, That's what I mean, Like

997
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: because quarter life crisis is a quarter life crisis because

998
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: you realize that, like what you're doing, what's it? Actually?

999
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: I think actually quickly COVID has had a huge, huge,

1000
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: like generated a huge societal shift into wow, okay, life's

1001
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: actually quite short. Yeah, life is really uncertain. We don't

1002
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: know what's going on, So you better do something that

1003
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: you actually enjoy. Yeah, family, spend time with spend time

1004
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: with family. And I actually think that as well. And

1005
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: also just like how many workplaces, you know, how much

1006
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: we realize that actually you could take time off, oh,

1007
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: that you could work from home quickly, could be flexible

1008
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: half pay leave with half pay? What was that? I

1009
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: don't know when that's available to you, but it's a

1010
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: bit of a thing in the aps. If you take leave,

1011
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: take leave with half pay if you can afford it,

1012
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: because basically for that day of leave or days of leave,

1013
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: you will get half your pay. But that means you

1014
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: get twice as much leave. Oh, if you can afford it.

1015
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: If you can afford it. Concept. I didn't know that

1016
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: was something people could do until like eight months into

1017
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: working in this job. I want to do that. I

1018
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: don't get leave. You don't get leave. Are you a

1019
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: your contractor well, yeah, I just get I'm not on

1020
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: a permanent contract. Yeah, so I'm technically casual but I

1021
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: work well, but I don't know. But I on a

1022
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: perpose any permanent basis working nine to five. Oh my goodness.

1023
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: But I think it's just because I started out there

1024
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: as someone who was like just there as like a

1025
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: support person, like as a researcher, and then I got

1026
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: like promoted, not promoted, But that's how they get you.

1027
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: I love my workplace, but like it's not the workplace

1028
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: that I don't like, it's the concept of the work life. Yes,

1029
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: that's a really good thing to distinguish. Well, I truly

1030
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: and I have had a serious existential breakdown about this

1031
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: before now in front of my mom and my brother,

1032
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: where I literally lay on the kitchen floor and I

1033
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 1: cried because I was like, why can I not simply

1034
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: receive money for existing? Yeah? Why why do I have money?

1035
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: Why do I need money? And why do I have

1036
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: to work to a gidst? And I can, like, I

1037
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: can hear the economic bros shouting at me as I

1038
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: say this, shut up, bradsh something lame like that, But

1039
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: why like why, yeah, why do humans like we've created

1040
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: obviously this you should do. Yeah, but why why did it? Like,

1041
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: why didn't we choose it? I don't think about me

1042
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: existing actually requires dollar dollar bills? Yeah? Nothing, right, nothing?

1043
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: It obviously facilitates things like healthcare and so I'm going

1044
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: to live. But then again, why does that require dollar dollars?

1045
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: Does that require dollar dollar bills? Yeah, it wouldn't. Well,

1046
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: once upon a time, it wouldn't have. I mean, Barter,

1047
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: you also would have died at thirty five, But I

1048
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: also would have died. Oh, I would have died very

1049
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: early on. I got sick as a very young child,

1050
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: I would have been killed off early. Oh we do

1051
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: not condone infanticide on the school. No, no, no, no no,

1052
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: I was sorry, no, but you're right, like, why does

1053
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: everything require money? And that's what I think we were

1054
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: really getting out. What's the pressure? The pressure is money.

1055
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: The pressure is two things actually, like kind of what

1056
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: I was saying, the pressure to we need to be

1057
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: to be conforming and to be doing what you think

1058
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: is going to give you meaning and work as what

1059
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: has given so many generations of people meaning because that

1060
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: was really a necessity. And also money and money require

1061
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: allows you to do other things. But it's like that,

1062
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: it's like another equation where it's like, at what point

1063
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: do you not even have the time to spend the

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Speaker 1: money that you are earning because you wanted to spend

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00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: money on things that you like? And at what point

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00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: are you just accumulating wealth? And for who was that

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00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: going to go when you're dead? Where's that going to

1068
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: go when you're dead? And if we throw into this

1069
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: the good old little climate crisis working in the background,

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00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: if we only have like have a much amount of

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00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: time that we have left, which probably not a lot

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00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: before things really hit the fan, hit the fan. Am

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00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: I going to spend twenty of the best years that

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00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: we have left on this planet as human beings before

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00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: we go extinct? Sitting in an office staring at a

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00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: computer screen like an episode of Black Men. We are

1077
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: living in an episode of Black Mirror. We really are.

1078
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: And seriously, I'm like, so, I mean, if this is

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00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: a motivation to anybody quit your job, are you going

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00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: to quit your job? Look, I need to figure out

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00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: what I want to do that is not working nine

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00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: to five, and then I will right now and I'm

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00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: locked in the job that I'm in right now requires

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00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: a certain period of time. Yeah, to do things in.

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00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: So to do things in it's like a set a

1086
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: cent contract will say yea, So it's kind of like

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00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: but if you have the opportunity, also if there's younger

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00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: people who are like because I remember last year I

1089
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: had this whole thing. I was like, I just want

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00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: to get a normal job, but I just want to

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00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: work nine to five, and I thought that was going

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00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: to make me happier. I was like, I just want

1093
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: to do it like that. No, no, no, no, no.

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00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: Spend as much time as you can on a center link.

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00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: If you have that option or be just like doing

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00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: other things, working jobs that don't you know, might be

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00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: different hours, but like are a lot more suitable for

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00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: your lifestyle. Having a nine to five job fitting into

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00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: that lifestyle doesn't actually bring meaning. It doesn't make you

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00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: a more mature person. You don't need to rush to

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00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: grow up and fit into that because you just give

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00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: away so much of your freedom. And even though you

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00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: might have been told your whole life that that's something

1104
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: to aspire to and work towards, sometimes it's just not.

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00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: It's just not. And you know, the grass is always

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00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: grower on the other side. But yeah, exactly, that's what obviously,

1107
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: But if you seriously, like seriously consider what is it

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00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: that brings you meaning and value, enjoy and enjoy. Yeah,

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00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: for probably eighty percent of people it is. It is

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00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: not working in an office. No, um, it's not for me.

1111
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: It's not for you. Yeah, oh it is. There we go,

1112
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 1: there's one hundred percent out of our sample of two.

1113
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: So obviously lessons peer reviewed research. Yeah, literally peer reviewed

1114
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: because we are peers. We need to say goodbye because

1115
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: we have recorded forty five minutes of this. But we hope,

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Speaker 1: well I hope especially that This was kind of an

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00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: informative look into what it's like transitioning into nine to

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Speaker 1: five work when you're in your twenties, the psychological shifts

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00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: and changes that you undergo, and yeah, what it means

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00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: for your health, what it means for your sanity and

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00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: your sense of self, and why it's probably not all

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00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: it's cracked up to be. And yeah, I think it's

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00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: just a good discussion of the pressures that you face

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00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: to fit into that mold. Yeah, even if it's against

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00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: your own well being. Yeah. So thanks Aaron, Thanks for

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00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: having me. No, I love a good chat about that work. Yeah,

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00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: no more work chat, No more work chat, no more

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Speaker 1: work again. Can we ban them? I think we should.

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Speaker 1: I think we definitely should. Anyhow, I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this episode. We'll have a new episode next week. It's

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Speaker 1: the Psychology of the Breakup. And yeah, spicy, spicy, it's

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Speaker 1: the episode. Oh yeah, it's juicy. Indeed, everyone's giving me

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Speaker 1: a knowing look. But thanks for tuning in. Follow us

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and Facebook, and subscribe on Apple podcasts or

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Speaker 1: Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks so much.