1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: I was convinced I was going to be a famous 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: singer actress. I started writing songs and my parents said, 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: what the hell is that? So I went to school 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: and I studied and became a lawyer. And I never 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: did I think that I was going to become famous 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: because of lawyering, But there it happened. 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: Bettino from Futuro Media and PRX, It's Latino Usa. I'm 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Maria ino Josa today La bo dora Ana Maria Polo 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: the host of the long running cour TV show Casso Serrao. 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: She joins me to talk about trauma, intimacy, beer rights 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: and her illusionists. Like her TV personality do tora Ana 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: Maria Polo's birth year was dramatic. She was born in Havana, Cuba, 13 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty nine, just a few months after a 14 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: scruffy Fidel Castro and his compagnio's tople dictator Fulhencio baptistaaac. 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: Get A say Cacia Marquel. 16 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: Polo's family decided to flee Cuba for Miami a couple 17 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: of years after the Cuban Revolution, and then they migrated 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: to another Caribbean island, Puerto Rico, where Polo spent her 19 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 2: childhood and teen years. It was there, as a Catholic schoolgirl, 20 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: that she discovered two passions that would one day converge 21 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: justice and entertainment. Polo wanted to pursue her career in 22 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: music and acting, but when her mom said hell no, 23 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: she obeyed. Back in Miami, she studied political science and 24 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: eventually earned a PhD in law, which means that's right, 25 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: she really is. Unadopa had been practicing family law for 26 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: over twenty years in Miami when she was hired to 27 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 2: host a new Spanish language court TV show called Sala 28 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: de Barrejas. It premiered on Telemundo in two thousand and 29 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: one and was eventually rebranded after her best known phrase. 30 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: The show wasn't limited to just couples disputes. Instead, Gaso 31 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: Serraro brought on cases about everything in daytime court TV shows, like, 32 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: for example, incest, exploitation, worn immigration, Sketchy Beauty, Spas, Bueno 33 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: Yatu Sas. She also got to show off her musical 34 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: talents by composing and singing the theme song to her 35 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: TV Showlexible Galazationlinda Gaso Serrado often aired for multiple hours 36 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: a day on Telemundo and was nominated for a Daytime Emmy. 37 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: In true Court TV style, each case goes a little 38 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 2: something like this. The plaintiff makes his or her case okay, 39 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: making a defendant response uh, witnesses and experts are brought in, 40 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: roast are made and eventually makes her decision and that's it. 41 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: Case closed, Caserrado marked by the dramatic pounding of a gattle. 42 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: We spoke to DOT about the show's impact on Latinos 43 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: and television and culture here in the United States, because well, 44 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: the show was huge, we also wanted to look at 45 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: Caaso Serrado's many paradoxes. For example, I was dismissed as 46 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: low culture and yet it was hosted by a highly 47 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: educated Latina and how doctor ra Polo is a longtime 48 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: queer advocate, but has kept her own sexuality private until now. 49 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: With two decades on TV, DOT, ra Polo is a 50 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: pop culture icon, particularly among millennial and gen Z Latinos 51 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: and Latinas who grew up watching her with their parents 52 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: and Agulitos and agueritas. There's a street in Hialia, Florida 53 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: that's named after dott Rapolo. And don't you try to 54 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: suggest to s Jahitas that Caso Serrado isn't real. Reruns 55 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: still played daily on Telemundo, and the show has been 56 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: memorialized through viral clips and memes on the internet. Galore 57 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: I originally spoke to Lavo, Dora and a Maria Polo 58 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, but as Gaso Serrado can team 59 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: used to go viral online, we're happy to bring this 60 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: conversation back to you, dear listener, so enjoy it. 61 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: What do I call you? 62 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: Lot Tora, Ana, Maria, Anna, Chica, Muhama ASERI? 63 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: You know? Actually does my friends call me Anita? Anita? 64 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: But I'm not your friend though, so I'm just like, 65 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: thank you for letting me in. We fight for what 66 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: we believe, we do what we like. We're friends. I 67 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: don't you think, dude? I love that so sin. 68 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: Without reading your bio, just when I would see you, 69 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: I was like, well, she's Cuban and she left the 70 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: island somewhat recently, and that's why she is so adamant 71 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: about these issues of libertad and equality and queer rights. 72 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: And then it's like, actually, no, you left Cuba when 73 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: you were two, and to my fascination, you're basically raised 74 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: on the island of Puerto Rico, But like, how do 75 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: you see yourself as a Cuban who ends up being 76 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: essentially displaced at a very young age. 77 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: I see myself as a Cuban, but I feel myself 78 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: very American. I'm a Miami girl. Really, That's how I 79 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: feel a Miami girl. First, I don't remember coming from Cuba. 80 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: I was two and a half years old. I have 81 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: no memories of that. My memories were at four or 82 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: five years old. I was already living here in the 83 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: United States and my parents said, Okay, we're moving to 84 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. 85 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: Did your parents have any doubts about the United States 86 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: or was it really like no istit Baistrosuenos or. 87 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: No, they didn't. They had no doubts about this country. 88 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: My parents loved Cuba, okay. But I realized as I 89 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: grew up that they were harboring a deep depression in 90 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: sadness for what had happened to them. I mean, they 91 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: were the post of all the possessions, of all their memories, 92 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: in the prime of their lives. They were in their thirties, 93 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: they were doing well. They had dreams of Cuba. Cuba 94 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: was a wonderful country prior to nineteen fifty nine, you know, 95 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: a country that really was doing so well visa visa 96 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: the rest of the countries in the world. It is 97 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: a growing, modern city with its constant activity. It looks 98 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: like any busy American stream, except for that wonderful custom 99 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: of Cista when everything is and they never really talked 100 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: to us very much about Cuba. They kept it silent, 101 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: and they would really focus everything towards. This is the States. 102 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: You can do anything you want here. You can become 103 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: anybody you want. You can And me, being a nasty 104 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: kid archepy president, I were born here. Wait a second, 105 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: you actually were like, I want to be president political 106 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: science major. My bachelor's is in political science. 107 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm talking about when you were a little girl. 108 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: You were like, Mommy, I would have liked to have 109 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: been president. But I wasn't born here like a. 110 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: Man because I'm I was that kind of a kid. 111 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: I would like to read things and then just throw 112 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: it in my parents' face so that they knew I knew. Yeah. 113 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: But you know, being a woman, a female president, having 114 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: that concept is pretty deep. 115 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: Well. I was discriminated for being Latina, for being a woman, 116 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: for being short for being Wokona for a lot of reasons, 117 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: but my parents never paid much attention to that. They 118 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't label things. They said, so, well, find a way 119 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 1: of getting around it. You'll find a way do it. 120 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: There's always a way. 121 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: Interestingly, Anita, you've talked about just now your parents, you 122 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: were the one that kind of went there in the 123 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: sense of hitting on trauma like straight up and describing 124 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 2: what that trauma looks like. And for me, as a 125 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: young journalist, it was when I went to cover the 126 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: story of Elian Gonzalez. 127 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 3: Old Elian Gonzalez has now been removed from his home 128 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 3: or he was staying with his Miami relatives. He was 129 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: seized before dawn this morning by federal marshals who are 130 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: armed not only with automatic webs. 131 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: I understood the reality that many Cubans were and are 132 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: still in the deep throes of PTSD. So can you 133 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about having a sense of trauma 134 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: or understanding it even through your parents at a pretty 135 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: young age. 136 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: I believe that Cubans, really, most of them are the 137 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: one who understand their reality have PTSD. I have no 138 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: doubt about that. And the Alan Gonzalez incident, to me 139 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: is the clear one, clearest one. I think, yeah, I 140 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: think every human lives with a little of PTSD, and 141 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: we all live with that desire that one day it 142 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: will be free again, it will be a free country. 143 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: Now as I was thinking about that, because you, Anita, 144 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: have said that you will not go back unless it's free, 145 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: unless it's a free country, unless it's free, and you 146 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 2: have to kind of sit with the fact that that 147 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: means you may never step foot on the island that 148 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: you were born on. 149 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: Maria. There were times while I was growing older, like 150 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: in my twenties, I said, well, Cuba's free. In my thirties, 151 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: I'll go back. I'll help rebuild. And that went by 152 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,359 Speaker 1: and it didn't happen. And then I learned about musicians 153 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: in Cuba and Silvio Rori Ga Romano's game. 154 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 4: If I don't know about. 155 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: Us, I didn't know about these people. I didn't my 156 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: mother would play these singers or anything. But I learned 157 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: from other places, and I would listen to their music 158 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: and I would admire the lyrics, the melodies. And then 159 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: in my forties, I said, well, I'm still in my forties. 160 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: If Cuba should be liberated, well, you know, Okay, so 161 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: maybe I'll get involved with the political artists of the 162 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: transition to stabilize the government and blah blah blah. And 163 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: then the forties went by, and then the fifties came in. 164 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: I thought, well, you know, maybe I'll raise some money 165 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: from the United States to help those who want to 166 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: go there and do the best they can. And now 167 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm in my sixties and I'm thinking, like you do 168 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 1: eto a brado Is, I don't think I'll see it 169 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: in my lifetime. And it's disheartening and it's depressing because 170 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: I wish I could see where my mother was born 171 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: in Binardle Rio and where I was born, and my 172 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: sister and my father and my grandparents. But I think 173 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: I won't. Sadly, I think I won't. 174 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: So talk to me a little bit about singing and 175 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: what it meant for you and why. And I think 176 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: you said to your mom, no, I'm going. 177 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: To be this and a at the dh Mmmm No, no, no, 178 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: that's not a career. Then you're gonna have to sleep 179 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: with these ugly producers and fat. She said it like 180 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: that straight up. See made me too straight up. My 181 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: mother was straight up. She didn't cover anything up you're 182 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: not doing that. I'll see, get buka bok, you are 183 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: not doing that at all. And as a matter of fact, 184 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: when I graduated from high school, I had I had 185 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: some nice offers from art school's, Juilliard University and a 186 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: school in London for acting, and my mother said, forget it. 187 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: You're not leaving the house. You're coming with us to Miami, 188 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: and you're going to a local college in Miami. So 189 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: forget all of that. It's not happening. And you know what, 190 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: I found out later in life that my mother was 191 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: a singer as well. Mother won in Cuba when she 192 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: was like sixteen, one of those contests like Laval's the 193 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: Voice and all that, and she recorded records and everything better. 194 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: She didn't want us to do that. Maybe she had 195 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: a bad experience. Nevertheless, when you have it inside, you 196 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: have it inside. And even studying something else, I would 197 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: always write songs. At some point I thought, okay, you know, 198 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: I'll produce my own record. I'll do whatever I have 199 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: to do. But life catch us on. You have to 200 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: survive and you have to do what you have to do. 201 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: I became a lawyer. I started to practice law. It 202 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: went well. I was a good lawyer only because I 203 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: connect with my clients. I did the worst area of 204 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: the law, which is family law, and they're interminable. Those 205 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: cases they never end because people don't want to, you know, 206 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: they don't want to give up on their kids or whatever. 207 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: Domestic violence. It's just terrible until one day, you know, 208 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: Salabad has happened. A friend of mine had opened up 209 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: a little restaurant right across the courthouse. She had a 210 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: little party. She asked me, I would just sing something 211 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: for us and not Well, I was in a good mood. 212 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: I picked up the guitar, I sang My guess came up, 213 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: he said, can you get the lucy? And there was 214 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: a producer from the company that was doing Sala de 215 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: Bardi House, which is the predecessor to Castle SrAl And 216 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: they had a casting that like three hundred lawyers. They 217 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: didn't like anybody. And I said, well, you know what, 218 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: why not? And I went and I did a little audition. 219 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: Did Judge Judy already exist or did any of those 220 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: Judge shows? You You better tell me the truth, because 221 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm much smarter. 222 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: Than you are. 223 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: I love the truth. Yes, absolutely, Judge Judy exists. She's existent. 224 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: Forever, FOREVERA But did they say to you, look, basically, 225 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: you're going to be the Latina Judge Judy or not. 226 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: The company was an Argentinian company. I don't think they 227 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: knew about Judge Judy. Yeah, now now okay no. So 228 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: I said, so, okay, so why do I have to 229 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: do this? And they told me you're going to be 230 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: a mediator. You're the arbiter and you have the power 231 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: to decide because people sign a contract saying that if 232 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: they cannot reach an agreement, your decision shall be final. Oh, 233 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: I said, okay, I do that. That's pretty good, and 234 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: I just pop pop bind. They recorded that thing, they 235 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: sent it to Telem said, yes, that's the pitch we 236 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: want her. That's how it happened. And then eventually it 237 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: was my idea to change it to Castle Crao, which 238 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: everybody thought it was, oh my god, so ingenious. All 239 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: I did was translate what judges would tell me every 240 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: time a trial would finish, Miss Polo case closed. I've 241 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: ruled gays closed because I will always want to talk 242 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: after the judge had ruled. So I said, EVI cho 243 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: boom gaso. What I did is I give it a 244 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: little musicality. I put a little music because I did 245 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: the gavel in this in the middle of Eddie Joe Boom, 246 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, and I it was my idea. I said 247 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: to telemon, listen, why are we doing a show about couples. 248 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: We're running out of ideas for couples, and we're putting 249 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: a couple of dogs, now a couple of cows. Let's 250 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: turn it into casto. Everybody in the street already talking 251 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: ca and we can open up everything. We can talk 252 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,239 Speaker 1: about immigration, and we can talk about negligence and accidents, 253 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: and we can talk about family law and torts. And 254 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: it just turned into casto the way through bigger and 255 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: I served it, girl, I served it. Coming up on Latino, USA. 256 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: Reflects on her role as an entertainer and as a 257 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: public you're in Spanish language media, while her job was 258 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: to be Judgie. She tells us why she always tried 259 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: to strike a balance even when she felt stuck. 260 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: Stay with us. Hey, we're back, and just a note 261 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: before we continue. 262 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: This part of the conversation contains discussion about sexual abuse. 263 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: Let's go back now to my conversation with lad the 264 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: host of the popular court TV show Caso Serraro. 265 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: I think I was drawn to the show. 266 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 2: Well, okay, the truth is my husband, he's the painter 267 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: Edmanperees jsel Pint and he would always have the TV 268 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: in the back. So that's how I started watching cacause 269 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: he would watch it because he was watching it, and 270 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: there was definitely it was like, oh hey wait, because 271 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: I never watched any of those others shows. I've never 272 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: watched any Judge show in English period, but I was 273 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: watching Caso Serralo and I'd be like, wow, see, so 274 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: now she's dealing with this immigration thing, and now she's 275 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: dealing with an issue of race. I became really intrigued 276 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: when I was like, oh, bit at there. So Anita 277 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: is like a major advocate on LGBTQ issues. I was like, oh, 278 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: becomes even more interesting. So can you tell me a 279 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 2: little bit about that part, because again in Spanish language 280 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 2: television being out being gabed. On the one hand, I 281 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: think Latin America is incredibly accepting, and on the other hand, 282 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: I think they can also be very damning. 283 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: Well, you know the double morality we all have. The 284 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: Latinos have this double standard of morality. 285 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: We know that. 286 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: I think religion has a big part in that. I mean, 287 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: religion muddles the issues. That's another issue that I've taught 288 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: very openly. I mean, I had some strong words for 289 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: the popes and the church in general. You know how 290 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: they talk about love and this and that, but this 291 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: kind of love is bad and that kind of love 292 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: is bad. To me, Love is love. It's not bad 293 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: in any sense. And listen, I fully support abortion. Fully. 294 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: I truly believe it is better to get an abortion 295 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: that to bring a child into this world, to make 296 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: him suffer, to be mistreated, abused, end up in a 297 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: foster home, and all these horrible stories that we hear. 298 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: But they didn't want me to ever say, well, I 299 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: ordered you to get an abortion. So I always had 300 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: to go around the bush and see how I would 301 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: bring them to their senses. LGBTQF all those letters. I 302 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: don't have a boneus discrimination inside of me. I don't 303 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: and I never had it. And it's very funny because 304 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: my parents. 305 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: Did against queer people, are against black people, against Jewish people. 306 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: Oh, gay gay people. I mean, it wasn't a constant 307 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: thing or whatever, but I would hear them make comments 308 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: that I thought, but that's not nice. But they're saying, 309 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: it's not nice only because this person likes somebody of 310 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: their own sex. I mean, what's wrong with that? 311 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: You know? 312 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: I remember going to the New York Gay Parade in 313 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: June twenty fifteen when the Supreme Court made finally that decision. 314 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court found gay and lesbian Americans have a 315 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: constitutional right to marry. We take too long in this 316 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: country for everything, if you ask me, it's one of 317 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: my biggest complaints. But finally we got that decision, and 318 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: I was so elated. I was so happy because prior 319 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: to that, I have been defending gay rights for years 320 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: and years and years, and finally here was my vindication. 321 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: You know, the law of the land, the Supreme Court, 322 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: it does Papasca sipt that on when when you came out? 323 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: Were they like Simi Hita. I never said anything to anybody, 324 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: and I don't talk about my sexuality because first, if 325 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: you've seen Casorala long enough, you were going to understand that. 326 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: I think everybody's bisexual. I think we were all born 327 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: bi sexual, and that we eventually, as we grow up, 328 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: we have inclinations, orientations and we then live them. I 329 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: think that I am truly bisexual. Truly, I can absolutely 330 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: fall in love with anybody from both sexes. 331 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask you a difficult question, Anita, 332 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 2: but I think it poses for me the paradox that 333 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: I began to feel about Caso Serrao, which is like, wait, 334 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 2: a second doctor is so smart, so astute, non discriminatory, 335 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: so open and accepting of everyone. But there was something 336 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: that then became very performative, became very over the top. 337 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 2: It was weird sister Aravianraro for a handbro the woman 338 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: who could not stop twerking, the man who was impaled 339 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: by his girlfriend. I mean, it was just some crazy, 340 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: crazy stuff. And that's where I started to be like, 341 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 2: what's going. 342 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: On, Maria. We've gone through twenty years of a daily show. 343 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: I would do sometimes three hundred and twenty five episodes 344 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: of Castos Ral for Telemundo on a yearly basis. We 345 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: would study ratings and we would figure out what is 346 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: it that people really want to see? Il on Moosa, 347 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: we love it. 348 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: No, maybe you guys think get those things were the 349 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: ones that were getting the top ratings. 350 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: They were getting the top ratings. Anything that had to 351 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: do with violence, sex, deceiving, infidelities, weirdness with the Internet, 352 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: weirdness with tattoos and body modifications, and anything that was 353 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: weird would get the top ratings. So we had to 354 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: divide things and we had to say, Okay, you got 355 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: to bring a serious case and sentimental case, and you 356 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: got to bring three weird cases or four weird cases, 357 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: because that's what was selling. But I hope that you 358 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: saw that in even the weirdness of shows, I was 359 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: trying to be the voice of something that would transcend, 360 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: that would give a little more than just the scandalous. 361 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't Jerry Springer. 362 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: There was a part of me that saw that you 363 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 2: were also struggling, and that's where I'm trying to understand 364 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: that part of you. 365 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: Believe me, there were many times that I had to struggle, 366 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: and there were many days where I would scream off 367 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: the top of my lungs because I didn't want that, 368 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: and I would, you know, I would get the people 369 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: ido saying, hey, but this is what self, So we 370 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: got to do it. It's what self. So I said, well, 371 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: you know what, I have to do the best I 372 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: can with this. And then we got more serious at times, 373 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: and we did more serious cases, and we dealt with 374 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: more political issues and issues of human value and human justice, 375 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: and the ratings weren't as good, but they had to accommodate. Also, 376 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: what I wanted to bring out the balance, you know, 377 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: I needed some balance. So you, like me, actually have 378 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: I think a deep love of humanity. 379 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: Like while we're really capable of incredible things, incredible love, 380 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: sadly incredible hate. But when you're saying about the studies 381 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: that you were doing as a producer to see minute 382 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 2: by minute ratings and what people and you're like, la, hint, 383 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: there's morbosa, Then how does that leave us in terms 384 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: of wait, but we love humanity and we want to 385 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: do the best. But it's like, wait a second, but 386 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: y'all are showing us that you you'll go to the 387 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: lowest common denominator. 388 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: This is how I see it, Madya. Television is a 389 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: very powerful medium, no doubt about it. And right now 390 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: I think we are in one of the best times 391 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: television has existed. We have an incredible amount of content, 392 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: some of which is excellent and some of which is deplorable. 393 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: So I think we got to educate more in the 394 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: sense of really saying, you know, this is television that 395 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: the CD is entertaining, is just for entertainment purposes, and 396 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: this is television that is serious and you choose what 397 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: you want to watch. So that that's a lot of 398 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: years and days and shows that you have to record 399 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: that I had to record. Yeah, it's a lot of 400 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: having to have sl money that in front of you, 401 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, kind of on a daily And so again 402 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: another sensitive question, Anita, I get a sense that you're 403 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: not very public, Like I don't think I've seen you 404 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: a lot in people in Espanol, Like I don't think 405 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: that that's kind of like your life, right am I right? No, 406 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: it isn't. It is not my life. You no say 407 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: fight I'm dou Lea. You're not say fight I'm dou la. 408 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 2: On the show you look one hundred percent. And there 409 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 2: are some people who like to maintain that image, you know, 410 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: throughout the rest of their life. And you're basically saying, no, 411 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: I played that character. I was that, but then when 412 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: I went home, you know, I was in my pajamas. 413 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: No, I am exactly what you see in tele I 414 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: do it with jeans and shorts and T shirt. I 415 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: am exactly what you see. This is who I am. 416 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm not out there because I'm not into you know, 417 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: the press and this and being in the line. Like 418 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: I've been retired basically since twenty nineteen. My contract with 419 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: Telemundo ended, we didn't renew anything, and nothing happened. Then 420 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: the pandemic came, okay, because I had other offers and 421 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: other places that I was looking to revive, renew Castle, 422 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: but the pandemic happened and it was a reality. A 423 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: lot of things just went south. I am still amazed 424 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: how people keep me alive without me doing a thing. 425 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: Well, that was part of what I wanted to talk about, 426 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: which is another one of the you know, kind of 427 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: contradictions that I see. 428 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: So the level of intimacy that you were able to achieve. 429 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: On a television show that was rowdy, you know, A'm 430 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: atriyize that, and yet I'm wondering about your own intimacy 431 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: and how you've decided to keep that very private and 432 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: why okay, because. 433 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: There are things and things about subject matters that we 434 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: can talk. First, I went through cancer in two thousand 435 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: and three. I was diagnosed with breast cancer. Many people 436 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: in the public eye say, no, you know, I'm not 437 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: going to share this. It's a painful thing. It's private. 438 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to look ugly, whatever reasons people have. I 439 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: said to myself, you know, no, you are a public figure, 440 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: you have a following of people. But there's a lot 441 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: to learn about this matter. I am going to tell 442 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: people about it. I am going to tell them that 443 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm getting a mastectomy, that they're going to remove twenty 444 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: live notes, that my thyroid broke as well, that I 445 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: had to remove my ovaries at forty free and go 446 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: through a full blown mental pause. That drove me crazy 447 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: because we all have a lot to learn about this, 448 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: and I spoke about that, which is intimate. Okay, But 449 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: my sex life, Maria, isn't that too much? I think 450 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: it's too much. First of all, I'm a sixty two 451 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: year old woman, who the hell cares about my sex life? Well, 452 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: besides me, what sex life? Please? I don't think I 453 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: have to share my sex life with anybody. I don't. Well. 454 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: I ended up writing very publicly about being surviving a 455 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: rape at sixteen, even though I didn't realize it had 456 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: been a rape at sixteen, and I never called it 457 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: a rape even though it was two savass And I 458 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: ended up writing about having two abortions, so I have 459 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: in fact gone into that place. 460 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: And you're right. We make certain choices as women because 461 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: we want to educate, but that is not your sex life. 462 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: Those are traumas that you lived and people need to 463 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: be educated about them. I was also sexually molested at 464 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: sixteen with a gun to my head by a family member, 465 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 1: and I've spoken about it. That's different. But yeah, when 466 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: people start saying bitter, wait a minute, you sleep with girls, 467 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: you sleep with boys, or you sleep with three or 468 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: four at the same time. Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, 469 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: but I so killing Teresa yessna. But sometimes we go 470 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: too far in the industry, We go too too far. 471 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: I love the fact that you're saying this, Amita, because 472 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: I'm just like, yo, your your show is so explicit 473 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: and you dealt with so many explicit things, and you're 474 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: just like, you know, people go too far. 475 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: I believe in privacy, believe it or not, even in 476 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: this crazy world where privacy basically yeah, it doesn't exist 477 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: too much, and it doesn't exist because we give it up. 478 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: We give it up. 479 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: And are you are you kind of feeling I mean, 480 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: Oyameh since twenty nineteen, who knows what anything is. But 481 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: how are you feeling in this point of your life? 482 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 2: Are you happy? 483 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: I am happy. I am still full of dreams, which 484 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: I think is part of my formula for happiness. Everybody 485 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: has their own formula in my book. The older I grow, 486 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: the more I think about having illusions. So quenta me 487 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: the less illusions and the things. So you actually you 488 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: want to give Casoserrado another chance? What's the dream? I 489 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: want to continue it because people want to see it. 490 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: They want to see it. And then there's the business part. 491 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot of companies that want to buy it. 492 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to work that much. I don't want 493 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: to do three hundred cases a year. I would like 494 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: to do less cases and just you know, spread them 495 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: around people to watch. 496 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: So you're you're you're not slowing down. It's not like, Okay, 497 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: I'm taking my guitar. I'm gonna go compose some songs 498 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: and hang out with my dogs. 499 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: I do that too. I have time for that now, 500 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: I do. I Also, I'm doing a movie, the movie Okay, wait, what, Yes, 501 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing the movie Caso. 502 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: The movie it is in it's in progress. It's like 503 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: the story of your life or the story of not 504 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 2: at all. 505 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: It's going to be a dramedy. It's going to be 506 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: an action film. It was an idea of a Chilian 507 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: production company. It's a lot of fun. You're starring in it. 508 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: I am the protagonist. I mean, yeah, I am. I'm 509 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: doing it when stuff comes around that is interesting to 510 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: me and just wakes up that sense of illusion. I bite, 511 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: who's Gasias more there? 512 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for taking this bite and for joining me 513 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: and let you know you as Anita, I really appreciate it. 514 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: A pleasure, Maria. 515 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: We reached out to Telemundo to confirm some of Doctor 516 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: a Polo's characterizations of events that involved the network, but 517 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: they declined to comment on that. 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