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Speaker 1: But whenever he speaks, you hear truth in his voice.

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Speaker 1: Sean Mendez, Sean, it's good to see.

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Speaker 1: are on cell now, head to Jayshetty dot me and

437
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: get yours today. What was he about nine or ten

438
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: that felt so true?

439
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 2: Not having the need to like cover the late cover

440
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: the layers of what I was feeling. You know, I

441
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: was just like an expressing ball, you know, like similarly

442
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: to how I'm a Probably I probably like more emotional today,

443
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: similarly to how it was when I was nine, you know.

444
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, I guess just that not having the.

445
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: The words and.

446
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: The stories that you've been told, you know, as you

447
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: start to grow up, spinning in my head and just

448
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 2: expressing truth of who I am. And I'm lucky too,

449
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: man Like. I know that a lot of people they're

450
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: not surrounded by people who are maybe super accepting or

451
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: embracing of that truth, and I know that's hard, and

452
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: I think I have a lot of compassion for that.

453
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: And the reality is that I wasn't around a lot

454
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: of people who were. And I think part of starting

455
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: to just like strip back those layers is also to

456
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: just maneuver the people you're around in your life and

457
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: starting to be around people who you can be like

458
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: that with, and it just becomes kind of a feedback

459
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,239
Speaker 2: loop of positive, honest reinforcement. And then you know, you

460
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 2: look around one day and you're like, Oh, all these

461
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: people in this room like really love Sean, you know.

462
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: Walk me through that discomfort, because I think it's easy

463
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: to jump from. Like I canceled tour too. I'm in

464
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: the studio making new music and we both know it

465
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: wasn't like that.

466
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, not at all.

467
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: I walk me through. So one thing in the discomfort

468
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: you're saying is surrounding yourself with people that allow you

469
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: to be yourself. Yeah, you to be and figure it out.

470
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: What else were like really important kind of principles that

471
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: guided you through that no man's land, through that desert

472
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: of time? What was it for you that kind of

473
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: showed you that nought style when things were dark?

474
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 3: So many things.

475
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I think the process of like healing

476
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: and moving through a dense moment in your life is

477
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 2: not just sticking to one thing. It's really using everything

478
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: at your fingertips. And whether that was therapy or whether

479
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: that was like friendship, or it was reading, or it

480
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: was music or what it was you know, Uh, it

481
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: was just a mixture of all of it. And I

482
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: think the hardest thing for me and my life has

483
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: been this kind of wanting to always have the perception

484
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: of like strength and altogether kind of grounded and still,

485
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: you know. And when I started to like allow myself

486
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: to really I think it's like it really you got

487
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: to really feel pain to like let your ego get

488
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: out of the way when you when you when I

489
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 2: started to really allow myself to like lean on my

490
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: family and my friends and.

491
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: Also like.

492
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: Just reach out to people and be like, you know,

493
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: that was just such a huge part of it. You know,

494
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: I didn't know at the time, but just using using

495
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: the people around me to support me was a huge

496
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: huge part of it. And yeah, not and being open

497
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: to not knowing how to get through it and just

498
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 2: letting people maybe help me how they can, you know,

499
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: and they might have their own way. And yeah, the

500
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: people a song on the album called Heavy, and it's

501
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: just so much of it. It's just about letting people

502
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: who love you help you. You know, it's a hard

503
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: People talk a lot about it's hard to give love.

504
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: It's hard to be in that state. But man like

505
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: receiving love, Like when love is in front of you

506
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: and it's trying to give itself to you through someone,

507
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: that's a hard thing to receive.

508
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: It's really hard.

509
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people, including myself, just like

510
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: want to freeze up. And so my new thing is

511
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: kind of like instead of walking into a room when

512
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm feeling bad holding it, the first thing I'll do

513
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: is just like literally like lean on someone like physically,

514
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: like hey can I can I have some love and

515
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: I need it? And that changes it like shifts so much,

516
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: you know.

517
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah that's so powerful. Yeah, that's so powerful.

518
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.

519
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 1: And I feel like I remember in the beginning when

520
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: we'd hang out if you weren't feeling good, they'd be

521
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: a part of you be like I don't think.

522
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: I want to hang out you Yeah, yeah exactly, And

523
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: then that.

524
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: Switch of what you're saying where it's like, oh no,

525
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: no matter how I feel, Yeah, I need to lean

526
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: and I love that and that's freeing.

527
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: Like if I can only hang out with you when

528
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm feeling still in at peace and coming from a

529
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: very high perspective, I am like I got three percent

530
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: of the time, you know, like and I think even

531
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: for doing.

532
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: Something like this podcast.

533
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: I mean when we first met each other, I used

534
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, I got to get to this

535
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: degree of you know, calm and understanding of life. And

536
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: the reality is I don't have a deeper understanding of life.

537
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: I just have a deeper acceptance of self. And that

538
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: allows me to sit here and be like, hey, like here, here,

539
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: it is here, this is what we got, you know,

540
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: and that has changed everything to me. It frees you

541
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: from so much, you know, you can kind of just

542
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: be like, hey, this is That's actually a huge part

543
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: of it. I used to before I would get out

544
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: of a car and go into a social situation, or

545
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: before I would I just would say like, I'm as,

546
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: I'm moving as fast as I can. I cannot be

547
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: healing any quicker than this.

548
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: I'm this is it. I'm here, So let's just let's

549
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: be this, you know.

550
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, and it trips us up. I feel like

551
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: we just, yeah, we're trying to be something we're not,

552
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: or trying to be something we're not feeling.

553
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're trying to feel.

554
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: Something we don't genuinely feel in the moment, whether it's

555
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: us trying to be more confident, trying to be more calm,

556
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: trying to be more whatever else it may be fill

557
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 1: in the blank.

558
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it.

559
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: Lets us down and.

560
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: Wand letting yourself down too. You know there's a part

561
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: of you that you're just like telling yourself. You're telling

562
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: that part of yourself like you're not good enough to

563
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: be around these people or to be in front of

564
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: this camera.

565
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: You know, what was the hardest question you had to

566
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: ask yourself during this whole period, Like, what was the

567
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: question that you asked yourself the most often that you

568
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: sought the answer for?

569
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: Was just like general direction.

570
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: I remember so many times I was just like driving

571
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: my car aimlessly and I would just be like literally,

572
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: I think the verbatim words I said out of my

573
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: mouth were like you're exactly where you're supposed to be,

574
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: Like you're exactly where you're meant to be, Like this

575
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: is I know it might not look like what you

576
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: thought it was supposed to look like. It might not

577
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: feel like what you thought, but like something about this

578
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: is uh is it? And there was just a lot

579
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: of beautiful things that happened in that time. Like I

580
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: moved to la and I didn't really have a lot

581
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: of people around at that time. And I remember I

582
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 2: went to this coffee shop every morning and I got this,

583
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: I got a coffee. And as I was like sitting

584
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: there telling myself this, you know, I saw this one guy,

585
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: his name is Josh, he's great human and was reading

586
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: this book it's called When Things Fall Apart he basically read.

587
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: He was reading that book for two years, sitting on

588
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: the coffee shop and I went up to him, said,

589
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: what's this book?

590
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: You know?

591
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: He introduced me to another friend and another friend, and

592
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: by the time after I knew it was like every

593
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: day there's three or four of us would sit around

594
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: having coffee and it was like just little group therapy sessions,

595
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: and it just became the most the best thing in

596
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: the world world to me. It was like nine am,

597
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna go talk it out.

598
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: And it was exactly.

599
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 2: Where I was supposed to be at that time, and

600
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: it was so weird and awkward and uncomfortable, but it man,

601
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: it really, yeah, really that little thing changed my life.

602
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: It was funny because I'd always people wuld always tell

603
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: me I just saw sure and hang around a coffee

604
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: shop like this.

605
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: I sit there, like you can see the mayor of

606
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: the coffee shop.

607
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: And it's start to become like this this thing where

608
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: everyone would like watch it and be like, what's going

609
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: on here? Uh? And I feel like you you really

610
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: took shelter in like building your men's circle and your

611
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: men's group and having that ability to have, you know,

612
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: a group of men around you that you could be

613
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: honest with and with What was what was unique about that?

614
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: Like why was that such an interesting thing to build?

615
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Because I know you'd always talk to me about that

616
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: as well, this yeah group that you were nourishing and.

617
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I had a couple I had, you know,

618
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: I have I had this this kind of coffee men's group,

619
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: and I had this other beautiful men's group simultaneously happening.

620
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, just having like men from

621
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: all ages, from all parts of the world to do

622
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: all different things like really just show up and strip

623
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: it all back and just be brave in front of you.

624
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: I remember like one someone something, someone something I don't

625
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: know told me, like when someone is sharing something hard

626
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: with you, like nine times out of ten, you don't

627
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: have to say anything back because the most healing part

628
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: about that experience is just to be witnessed in your pain.

629
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: And I think it's just that it's like to be

630
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: witnessed in your pain and for the person in front

631
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: of you not to be like I don't want this.

632
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: It's just for them to you know, when do you

633
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: open your eyes and the pain is over and you

634
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: look up and they're still.

635
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: There, like, hey man, still here?

636
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: You know, that's beyond you know, So in simple ways

637
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: like that, that's been a huge part of it.

638
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I like that you were playing that role

639
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: while you were receiving that. I think there's something really

640
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: interesting about that.

641
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: It's empowering.

642
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: You're simultaneously being vulnerable and then also listening to other

643
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: people go through their stories and you're empowered to be

644
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: strong and hold for them. And it's just a beautiful process,

645
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: you know.

646
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of us feel like when I.

647
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: Get there, I'll be strong enough and I'll be strong

648
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: enough to.

649
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Hold space for others. It's almost like this simultaneous mutual

650
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: holding is what we all need. And you're actually only

651
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: going to be better at holding others if you allow

652
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: yourself to be held and if you practice holding others

653
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: even when you have nothing to hold them with exactly,

654
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: and that balance is what creates that structure, that foundation

655
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: that you're resting on.

656
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: The roots.

657
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were talking about this, You're talking about heavy

658
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: and in the song you say it's been so heavy,

659
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: it's been so long running from everything and nothing at all.

660
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that a lot. It was like,

661
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: so often we think things are so heavy and there's

662
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: so much going on, and then at the same time

663
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: you're like, but it's not. Yeah there, look me through

664
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: that dilemma, because.

665
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: The constant dilemma. It's like, in.

666
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 2: Reality, there is a lot going on, and then also

667
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: in reality it's okay oftentimes too. You know, it's that

668
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: internal perspective that you're going through. And I felt like, yeah,

669
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: just running when you have the money and the ability

670
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: to be on the constant move and run. I just ran,

671
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: and I was just never still and it was like

672
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: I couldn't figure out how to get away from the

673
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: feeling that was that was feeling so bad, and at

674
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: some point I was just like, okay, you know. A

675
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: friend of mine was like, hey, man, wherever you go,

676
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: there you are. And at that point I was just like, okay,

677
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: I gotta let it kind of hit me, you know,

678
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, that was just a big part of it.

679
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 2: It's just, like I said, the realization that like when

680
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: you kind of move all of the stuff out of

681
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: the way, it just kind of kind of it just

682
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: drops into the truth. It's really hard to get to

683
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: that place when all of the noise gets out of

684
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: the way.

685
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: It's very hard to get to that state.

686
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: But sometimes when you do, it allows you to look

687
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: around and be like, Okay, actually it's okay.

688
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: You know, well, you're running away from fame? Was it

689
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: was it? What was it? What did you feel you

690
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: were running away from? Did you Was there a point

691
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: where you're like, I don't want to be famous, like

692
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to have the platform.

693
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think just like more of like what

694
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: I felt like the fame was doing to my mind,

695
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: and I was I was letting it do to my mind,

696
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: and it all was based around perception and just all

697
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: I wanted to feel was comfortable in my own body,

698
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: you know, and like not rowling in my skin, from

699
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: like every word that would come out of my mouth

700
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: to the way I would sit in a chair, everything,

701
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: you know. And I think it just takes time because

702
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: the reality is that if you spend your life around

703
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: cameras and around social media and around people who are

704
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: constantly talking about the way you look, the way you sound,

705
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: the way you act in a way that has more

706
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: to do with a performance and perception than that is

707
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: what you're going to be focused on. And you really,

708
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: if you're stuck in that spending, you need to put

709
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: yourself around people who are like doing the opposite of that,

710
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: who are like not worried about how you're acting, not

711
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: worried about what you're saying, not worried about how you're

712
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: sitting and just existing, you know.

713
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 3: And I had to.

714
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: Just reconnect with that, and that's that's why I name

715
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: the album Sean Too Like, And you know, I just

716
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: felt like, yeah, just that that process of stripping just

717
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: took so long, and a lot of it is just

718
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: like I think, a lot of it is.

719
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: This idea of who.

720
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to be in this world, you know, this

721
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: like this image of perfection, and I just like, even

722
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: right now, I'm just like, oh, man, like, thank God

723
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: for everything, because I'm sitting here and I really am

724
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: not having tons of intrusive thoughts about like is how

725
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: are you saying the right thing? Are you doing the

726
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: right thing? It just it just is, you know, and

727
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm just grateful for that. It's a nice feeling. I

728
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: just got to like check on that for a second.

729
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: You know. I'm glad you're feeling that way. That's what

730
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: I say what I was doing the intro. I mean,

731
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: I felt that way because we always talk about these

732
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: things anyway. Yeah, it's even strange having all this stuff. Yeah,

733
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: and this is And it was funny because I was

734
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: noticing something that was happening in our conversation. I'd be

735
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: halfway through a thought and you'd lead on it, let

736
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: me ask the question. Sorry no, And I was like,

737
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: but that's what would do, like we would never we

738
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: would never have perfect pa. And I was liking that,

739
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: like I was appreciating that. I was noticing it, going, oh,

740
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: this is really nice. I'm not even finishing my thought

741
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: and Sean already knows what I'm about to say, and

742
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: I was like that, I'm glad that we're doing that

743
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: and that you know, when we started this, like my

744
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, it was like I was like, yeah, I

745
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: don't want this. This doesn't need to be a performance

746
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: because there is, because it's real. There doesn't need to

747
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: be that. And so I keep doing it as what

748
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and I'm happy that you're feeling there's no

749
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: intrusive thoughts. I mean, you know, I think that constant

750
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: filtering that we always live in is exhausting.

751
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: It's exhausting, man.

752
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: And I remember, like you told me about some of

753
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: the pressures back then that came from different sources of like, oh,

754
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: if you want to be the biggest artist, then you

755
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: have to do this. If you don't do this now,

756
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: then you won't be as big as so and so whatever,

757
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: like you know, and it's so and I was thinking

758
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: about that, and you know, when I met you, you were whatever,

759
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: like twenty two years old or something, and it's like

760
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: you're like, gosh, like hearing that as a twenty two

761
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: year old and then you hear about like you know,

762
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: TikTokers who are taking off and they're hearing about it

763
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, sixteen years old and you probably heard it. Yeah,

764
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: when you start at fifteen like that can really push

765
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: someone into only caring about those things.

766
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, what did.

767
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: That stripping away look like? Where Like we always talk

768
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: about this, like you look great, you're dressing well, you know,

769
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: the hair looks good. Like, how have you got to

770
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: a point where like you can care? Yeah? Then still, I.

771
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: Think that's part of it. Actually, honestly, I can.

772
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: My tendency is to be very extreme, and a lot

773
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: of what I work on in therapy is just finding

774
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: this middle ground, is to not be in these black

775
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: and white binaries, you know, And I oftentimes I went

776
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: from like, you know, wanting to look like the image

777
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: of perfection to like I'm just going to go be

778
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: a man in the woods and like I don't care

779
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 2: what I look like, I don't care what you think.

780
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: And there's a good period I'm sure of paparazzi photos

781
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: where people could tell, you know.

782
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 3: And we'll find them in Yeah.

783
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: And I think like it took me a long time

784
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 2: to also come back around to just like caring about

785
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 2: how you look and caring about that type of stuff.

786
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that, you know. It's actually a

787
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: beautiful thing. It's just when you start to be completely

788
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: consumed by it. And so I started to find a

789
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: middle ground again where I was like, Okay, you know

790
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: what you can care, just like don't kill yourself caring,

791
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: you know, and yeah, it's just yeah, the extremes they

792
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: don't work for me anymore.

793
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't really work for any of us.

794
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they don't, man, they don't. The second

795
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: you can start allowing room for complete like paradox to

796
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: exist in your life and like two things to like

797
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: the number one thing I say in therapy is yeah,

798
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: I know I'm feeling this and I'm also feeling this

799
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: at the same time, and that's okay.

800
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: And that's just like it's just creating more space all

801
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 3: the time.

802
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: You know.

803
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: You have this song Hot of Gold. This was something

804
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: that stood out to me. You say, I'm sorry I

805
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: wasn't there to hug your mama at the funeral. Yeah,

806
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: I didn't cry. I didn't even feel the pain. Then

807
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: it hit me all at once when we talked about

808
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: it yesterday. Yeah, walked me through who that was what

809
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: happened there?

810
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 2: When I was young, when I was like twelve thirteen,

811
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 2: I had a friend his name was Daomi. My friend Brian,

812
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: you know Brian, him and I and Diomi were just

813
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: great friends and we, uh we spent a lot of

814
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: time together, and he was awesome dude. He was a

815
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: lot like me. He's like very sensitive dude, and just

816
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: like I really really connected with him. And when I

817
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: was fifteen, obviously got signed, started making music and you know,

818
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: went off and started touring, and then him and Diomi

819
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 2: and I just kind of started to disconnect. And yeah,

820
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how old I was, but I

821
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: think I was about you know, I was like probably

822
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and Brian, you know, would call

823
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: me and say like hey, he would say, you know,

824
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: Diomi's gotten into drugs and stuff, and just thinking about

825
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: his mom. His mom's name is Gail, and you know,

826
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: hoping that she sees the beauty and the story of

827
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: talking about him and I hope it's okay. But you know,

828
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: when I was like eighteen, around eighteen, Brian called me

829
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: one day and he said, hey, man, dooe me, he

830
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: passed away in his sleep last night, and uh, yeah,

831
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: he overdosed. He and I remember when I heard it.

832
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: Brian was on the phone crying, and I was just

833
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: kind of like somewhere on tour, and uh, I just

834
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: like felt numb, like I didn't really feel anything, you know,

835
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: and just like hung up and I just kind of

836
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: went on with everything, and time just went on. And

837
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: sitting in the studio about you know, three months ago,

838
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: and I keep hearing this kind of title it's Heart

839
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: of Gold, and asking myself like what is this song about?

840
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: Is this song about? And Scott, who I make a

841
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: lot of music with. He looks over.

842
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: I mean, he goes, didn't you have a friend who

843
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: passed away from an overdose? And second he said that

844
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: Brian was in the room. Brian goes talking about Diomi,

845
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: And yeah, the second he said Diomi's name, it's just

846
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: like hit me, Like years of like not processing it

847
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: just like all hit me. And we sat there and

848
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: sobbed and yeah, the song, man, it was a hard

849
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: song to write, and it just felt like a letter.

850
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: It felt like a letter to my friend that I

851
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: never got to the things I never got to say

852
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: to him. And you know, I imagine that like when

853
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: you die of an overdose, especially as someone as sweet

854
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: and kind and loving as him, like you kind of

855
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: wake up wherever you wake up, and there potentially is

856
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: this moment of like what happened, you know, Not that

857
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: he needs it, but it just felt like a good

858
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: opportunity to just be like, hey man, we love you

859
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: and you had a heart of gold and and we're

860
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: here down here thinking about you, and yeah, it's one

861
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: of my favorite songs to play.

862
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 3: Man, it just is.

863
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: Uh it's just this beautiful golden light and he is

864
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: just like this super swaggy dude, and it just like

865
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: it holds his energy and it's just like every time

866
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: we play it, I just imagine this huge golden light

867
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 2: beaming up from the place we're in wherever he is,

868
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: just reaching him and uh, yeah, I love that song.

869
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: Little I can play I can play it for you

870
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 2: on the on the song, but yeah, man, I love.

871
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: That song as well. I was, Yeah, I was intrigued

872
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: because that wasn't something I was aware of.

873
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, man, like how these things are when

874
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: you're open to the truth and what wants to come

875
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: out of you and what wants to be made.

876
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it h it's unexpected and it was extremely healing.

877
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: It's still very healing to just like sing that song

878
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: out to him every every time I play it.

879
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: Now, have you played it for his family?

880
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: I haven't.

881
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: Actually, I have to go back to Pickering and play

882
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: it for his mom.

883
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, how do you think she'll react?

884
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think she'll love it. She's

885
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: an amazing human being.

886
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: I always had an amazing connection with her, and so

887
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: I could see her just like she's just a badass,

888
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: just totally rock into it and loving it.

889
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 3: And yeah, special family, special human.

890
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: It's nice to immortalize it in a song, and it

891
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: is mortalize him.

892
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It is really really nice. I never

893
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: wrote about death in that way before. So yeah, was it?

894
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Was it a process of forgiving yourself for not having

895
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: for Yeah?

896
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was a lot of it.

897
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: A lot of it was the guilt for not reaching out,

898
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: or the guilt for not being there for him, or

899
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: even more so, just the guilt for not being at

900
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 2: his funeral and seeing his mom and all this stuff.

901
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: And music has this funny way of healing and a

902
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: way that other things can't, you know. So yeah, I

903
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: can't wait to play for his mom. Honestly, I can't wait.

904
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait for you to tell me I well,

905
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: I can imagine it just being like this, yeah, really

906
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: special moment, and I think, you know, it's it's so

907
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: human that, like you know, there's there's so many things

908
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: we we go through that we're not ready to process

909
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: something yet, and then we feel guilty that we weren't

910
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: ready when we almost feel we needed to be. But

911
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: then you realize that actually, when you were ready to

912
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: process it, something more beautiful came from for everyone. I

913
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: think I spoke to him about him, but one of

914
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: my monk friends passed away from cancer. My closest friend

915
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: during my time in the monastery passed away a couple

916
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: of years back. He was maybe a year older than me,

917
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: had colon cancer, and I couldn't go back to see

918
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: him because it was the pandemic when it happened, and

919
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't fly back. I couldn't be by his side.

920
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: It couldn't be there with him. And in the last

921
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: few weeks to months of his experience of it, he

922
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: wasn't even in a place to do like phone calls

923
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: or you know. And I spoke to him three days

924
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: before he passed away on the phone and he was

925
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: like crouched over because he was in so much pain physically,

926
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: and so I couldn't even look at him. And yeah,

927
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: I always carried that as like I wasn't there by

928
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: his side. I should have been, I could have been.

929
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: And it's been something that when I was listening to

930
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: it and I heard that, that's what I was thinking about. Yeah,

931
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: it's strange because you kind of bury it until you're

932
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: ready to look at it. Yeah, and sometimes you don't

933
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: even know if you're ready to look at it yet,

934
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: like what part of it. And it's I agree with you.

935
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: I think music's the only thing that can get in there,

936
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: get into that complexity of it.

937
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's grieving is just a complex thing, probably lasts

938
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: a lifetime.

939
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 3: You know.

940
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: It's beautiful that it came to you in that moment

941
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: and that you were able to Yeah.

942
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you related to it.

943
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, no, I mean I relate to in so

944
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: many ways. I mean, even even grieving, Like I think

945
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: grief as we talk about obviously this is talking about

946
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: the loss of a friend and mine too, but I

947
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: think grieving is also like I was at my sister's

948
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: wedding last year, and my sister's one of my favorite

949
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: people on the planet, one of my best friend. She

950
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: knows everything about me. She's four and a half years

951
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: younger than me.

952
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: Weilar sister vibes. Yeah, same with mine.

953
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just like I love her to bits and

954
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: she's like she's like my little brother. Actually, yeah, that's

955
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: how unfortunately she's been treated. But you know, I was

956
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: at our wedding last year and I left the UK.

957
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I left London eight years ago now, and we've kept

958
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: in touch and we've kept our relationship like we're as

959
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: tight as ever, so it hasn't been affected. But it

960
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: was really funny because I was at her wedding and

961
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: I was just like sobbing the whole time, and I

962
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: have to show you, can I show I wasn't even

963
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: planning on doing this, but now that I remember, I

964
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: think I just showed it to my team the other

965
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: day because my sister was just with me and she.

966
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: I don't even have it on hand of me crying

967
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: at my sister's wedding.

968
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: I have to show you. It was just wait, sorry,

969
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't prepared for this. That's why it's genuinely in

970
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: the moment. I'm trying to make sure that I have

971
00:49:50,160 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: it man so good, and then zoom out to see Roddie's.

972
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's really good. I've never seen your face.

973
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 3: Oh man, that is so good.

974
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: That is an unreal photo. There's so much happening on

975
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: your face. There's a whole story on your face.

976
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Rather's like taking a picture, taking a picture. And then

977
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: I made her cry and that was yeah good. But

978
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: what I'm getting to is this idea of like I

979
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: was at my sister's wedding thinking it was going to

980
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: be completely normal, and it wasn't because I started to

981
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: realize that when I left London, I had to switch off.

982
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: Partly I was connected with her and I loved her.

983
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: We talked all the time. There was a part of

984
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: my emotional connection to my family that I had to

985
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: turn off because if I thought about it every day

986
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: in New York and then lay, you couldn't do it.

987
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it because I didn't have any family

988
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: and friends in New York and La and I didn't

989
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know how my life was going to go,

990
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: and I didn't know what I was going to do.

991
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, if I stayed too connected emotional,

992
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to run back. And then I

993
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: remember I went back to my house, my parents home,

994
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: me and my sister grew up and it was the

995
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: first time she wasn't there, and I last Christmas, like,

996
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: I felt like I was alone, fully alone, and it

997
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: was so strange because I was like, what is going on?

998
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: And it was all these feelings I denied or put

999
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: away or hidden from myself because it was too uncomfortable

1000
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: to go there. And they all just came up with

1001
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: my sister leaving and getting married and all the rest

1002
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: of it. And so I think grieving also is also

1003
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: the loss of a former life, the loss of a

1004
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: former self, the loss of There's so much to it

1005
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: that I think you bring up in that song that

1006
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: at least you got me thinking about.

1007
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, grief is a really really complex, interesting thing.

1008
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's beautiful, man. I love that photo so much.

1009
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: I was ended to you, please, I said afterwards, that's

1010
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: so good. I wanted to talk to you a bit

1011
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: about you know, and I hope you don't mind doing

1012
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: an album at all, because I think it's to me.

1013
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: I always get happy when I can. You know your

1014
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: music's so healing for me, and I know it's going

1015
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: to be so healing for people. Actually, actually talked to

1016
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: me about that because you had fifteen fans in here, yeah,

1017
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: last night night, and that was the first time you

1018
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: played this album to them. I wasn't here for that,

1019
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: so I want to hear about.

1020
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: Oh man, what was that?

1021
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: Like?

1022
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 3: It was really special. It was just like so.

1023
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: It was my first time really telling the story of

1024
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: all the songs, you know, and it was just a

1025
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: sobbing fest. Everyone was sobbing and everyone was crying. And

1026
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 2: it's just another reminder that like, greatness is not one person.

1027
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: It really is just so many things happening and aligning

1028
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: to make something special.

1029
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: You know.

1030
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: It's like the end of the night. Like when I

1031
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: look around, I'm like, oh, the can't and those are

1032
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: lit and like all the people in the room, the

1033
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: fans in there, like the friends who've come, like our

1034
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: friends who are amazing chefs who've come and made this

1035
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: amazing meal for them, and like there's flowers around, like

1036
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't do any of this and my band,

1037
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: Like there are all these humans who are so amazing

1038
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: who come together to make something special happen. And when

1039
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: you like make room for that and give space for

1040
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: that collective effort to be felt.

1041
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: Oh it was just.

1042
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: Like and on top of that, just like the album itself,

1043
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: we put so much effort into just the stories and

1044
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 2: the truth of it that I felt like my job

1045
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 2: was so easy. All they had to do was represent

1046
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: the song. All they had to do was speak the

1047
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: truth of what we wrote about and perform it that

1048
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: way and move on like there was the greatest show

1049
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: ever was already wrote before we started, and I just

1050
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: had to step into it, you know. And I think

1051
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: that's such a I think that's such a representation also

1052
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: just of like for me, like as a performer, like

1053
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: I have had a really hard time, you know, when

1054
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: A I am carrying the weight of everything on my shoulders,

1055
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 2: when I'm the one when I'm telling myself this being

1056
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: fantastic all realized, all comes down to me. If I'm

1057
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: not fantastic, it all doesn't matter, which is not true

1058
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: at all. And the more I take that weight off

1059
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: of me, the more fantastic it becomes. And b when

1060
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: the art I've chosen to create comes from such a

1061
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 2: truthful place, the show.

1062
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: You play is so much easier. It just like it

1063
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: supports you.

1064
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: It feels like you just have the lift of the truth,

1065
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: you know, and you can't rush that stuff.

1066
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 3: At the end of the day.

1067
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: You cannot rush art and music and you have to

1068
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: really allow it. And the fans last night they were like, hey,

1069
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: you know, at the end of the show, they're like, hey, like,

1070
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: if this is the type of music back with, take

1071
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: as much time as you need. And so it was

1072
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: so sweet. Yeah, it was so special for me.

1073
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like when I'm listening to this album,

1074
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: it feels like I'm listening to a friend talk to

1075
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: me about what they've been going through that we're catching

1076
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: up on a call. Good and I'm listening to a

1077
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: friend just hearing about what's going on in their life

1078
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: and how they're thinking about it.

1079
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: Good, That's that's perfect.

1080
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: Then, that's how And I feel like that's it's so

1081
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: beautiful And it's obviously so hard to do because you're

1082
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: doing it at you know, everyone's feeling that way and

1083
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: so that's not easy. And continuing our tour of the album,

1084
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: you talk about you know, loving relationships, which is a

1085
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: romantic relationship, which is such a big part of your

1086
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: own journey, and we've talked about this. It's such a

1087
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: it's such a sensitive part of our hearts, Like such

1088
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: a like. It's almost like society has also made it

1089
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: more more sensitive, like on such a pedestal, as I

1090
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: often talked about recently. I was just saying this to

1091
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: someone the other day who's going through something, and I

1092
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: was saying that they've always overvalued and overweighted romantic.

1093
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 3: Love instead of just generated the general love.

1094
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: And you know, in your song in Between, you say,

1095
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: if I'm not all in, then I'm all out, And

1096
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: it's never going to happen. If it doesn't happen right now,

1097
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: if it doesn't end with the ring, is it just sex,

1098
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: If it isn't black and white, then it's onto the next.

1099
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't think of how many people can

1100
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: relate to that experience, and how many people when they

1101
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: hear that, are going to think, that's my life, that's me,

1102
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: walk me through what you're experiencing, what you're going through,

1103
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: and you're writing that.

1104
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, I'm definitely one of those people who

1105
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: has over put way too much weight on the romantic

1106
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 2: part of love. Doing that has done to many things.

1107
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: That's suffocated love. It has closed the door to any

1108
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: other kind of love that I could be receiving. I

1109
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: guess there comes a point where there came a point

1110
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: of the last couple years, I was just like I

1111
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: realized life is hard, Like this thing is too long

1112
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: and too hard to like not just not just be

1113
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: open to the love that's in front of you asking

1114
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: to be received right now, you know. And that was

1115
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 2: kind of what I was writing about there is isn't

1116
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: it enough just to have someone.

1117
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 3: Share a moment with you of love?

1118
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: And it's hard at first because it's like it's really

1119
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: vulnerable to like allow that because all the things come

1120
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: in is like is this romantic?

1121
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: Is this this? And is this going to be forever?

1122
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 3: Is this going? What does this mean? You know?

1123
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: Is this weird because you're you're with someone and we're

1124
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: having a beautiful connection.

1125
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 3: What is that? I mean? Is this bad? Is this wrong?

1126
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: And all of that can exist at the same time

1127
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: and it's okay. And when you start making more space

1128
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: for all that complexity to exist, like you start to realize, Wow,

1129
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of opportunity for me to feel love

1130
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: every day. And I have noticed that my fixation on

1131
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: romantic love has dwindled, and I've just been so much more,

1132
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: you know, I guess generally feeling that empty space of

1133
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: love fill up. And that's just because I think I'm

1134
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: more willing to receive it from more places, you know.

1135
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: And it's tough too, because we have been watching Disney

1136
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: since we were kids, and so we're like, where is

1137
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: my forever? You know, And even in the song, like

1138
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: you know, I have another song in there where I'm like,

1139
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: you're the one and I live for this moment. It's

1140
00:58:55,600 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: like I'm that like tickles apart of us, you like

1141
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: love to hear that, and you know, to the end

1142
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: of life, I'll be hopeless romantic like that, but like, yeah,

1143
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: but part of me also has to just know that, yeah,

1144
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: love can just it can really be there. You can

1145
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: you can experience it. And if you just wait your

1146
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: whole life for one person to give it to you,

1147
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: you might be let down. And also you might just

1148
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: that person might just be so might be so impossible

1149
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: for them to feel that for you, you know.

1150
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,959
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm open to love, That's what I'm saying.

1151
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: What's it been like for you having your romantic life

1152
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: be so public and then when you break up it's public,

1153
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: and then if there's a potential reconnection, it's public. And yeah,

1154
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: I feel like that is kind of I mean, for

1155
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: anyone I've ever interviewed, for anyone I've ever known, that

1156
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: that seems to be one of the hardest things because

1157
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: it's brutal for both people, fans, audiences, people in people's

1158
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: pri life, like walk me through what that's been like

1159
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: and maybe where certain songs felt connected to that experience brutal.

1160
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: It's I mean, honestly, I think Camille and I have

1161
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: just done the best job at preserving our private little

1162
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: fire of love for each other. Because no matter how

1163
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: strong mentally you are, when there are millions of people

1164
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: commenting on it, it's so hard not to be affected

1165
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: by it and to be swayed by it, and to

1166
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: be inspired by it, and to desire it because people

1167
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 2: desire it, or to hate it because people hate it,

1168
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: and it's just human. And I feel like her and

1169
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: I have just like worked extremely hard to just protect

1170
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: each other and protect that love, you know, And I've

1171
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: learned a lot about that, and it's part of it.

1172
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: It's definitely part of it, and there's no getting away

1173
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: from that. But if I'm being completely honest, I don't

1174
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: really I don't really go on social media anymore, so

1175
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: I don't really see or care what people say about

1176
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: my love life or my relationships because it's just it's

1177
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: honestly too detrimental to the actual relationship itself that I've

1178
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: become pretty strict on that part of it, you know,

1179
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: But it is It's crazy, man, We're not in a movie.

1180
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 3: This is not a movie.

1181
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: Celebrities are, you know, sometimes maybe they think they are,

1182
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: and sometimes they literally are. But like it is in

1183
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: a movie, this is real life. This is real love,

1184
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 2: and love is confusing and hard and goes through dips, and.

1185
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 3: Goes through pauses, goes through breaks, goes through.

1186
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: So much and so yeah, I really feel for everyone

1187
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: who goes through that.

1188
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1189
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 2: I just feel like, as a celebrity, I just want

1190
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: to just come at it and be really truthful from

1191
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: the place of this is what love is like for me.

1192
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: You know, what have you both done? And maybe obviously

1193
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: speaking for yourself, what have you done to protect the

1194
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: relationship in apart from distancing yourself from the noise? Yeah,

1195
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: what else has been useful in protecting whatever relationship may

1196
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: be in any faith?

1197
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: For me and for us, I think immense honesty, just

1198
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: like over communication, you know, Like I felt this way

1199
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 2: when I was doing this interview and I said this thing,

1200
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: and I felt weird, and I'm sorry if it came

1201
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: off like that, and you know, I love you and

1202
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: that's my you know. It just immediately cuts through any

1203
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: type of assumption that I could make or she could

1204
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 2: make from anything. And you know, we're both amazing at that.

1205
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: I'll be the first to text her, She'll be the

1206
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: first to text me, and we just as long as

1207
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: we're good, all the noise is just noise. And that's

1208
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 2: been a huge part of it.

1209
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. So rather than be like, oh, I hope they

1210
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: don't see that, or I hope they don't, yeah, it's like, oh,

1211
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell them what I was while

1212
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: I was feeling that.

1213
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1214
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then how do you open yourself up to

1215
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: receive that honesty when it isn't comfortable, let's say.

1216
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: I think it's also just a part of just understanding

1217
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: the situation we're in as and not only as celebrities

1218
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: but artists, you know, being two people that make music

1219
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 2: and tell the story of the heart, and that's just

1220
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: a big part of it, and we both are very

1221
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: aware of that, you know, So just having respect for

1222
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 2: the fact that we're storytellers, you know.

1223
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: Wow, and that takes a lot though, Yeah, that takes

1224
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of maturity.

1225
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

1226
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: That's like a really mature perspective to have.

1227
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean we've been doing it since we're

1228
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 2: very young, so I think at this point we're just

1229
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: like we hopefully just have a great, deep, great respect.

1230
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: So I don't think either of us would ever cross

1231
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: a line. You know, we deeply respect each other.

1232
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: That takes a lot. Man, It's so hard to, like,

1233
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, as I've always said to you, you're an

1234
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: old soul, because I'm like, I don't people like twice

1235
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: your age, maybe even more than that, who struggle with that. Yeah,

1236
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: it's so hard to actually have that perspective and understanding

1237
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: and respect for someone's personal professional.

1238
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, orbit it is.

1239
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: It is, And it's hard when it's two people too.

1240
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: It's easy for one person to do.

1241
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm just lucky.

1242
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 2: She's an amazing human being and she's incredibly understanding and

1243
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: thoughtful and caring, so communicating with her is not difficult,

1244
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: and I think that's just probably a huge part of it.

1245
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, why does it feel sometimes that you can

1246
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: have two people who respect each other so much, connect

1247
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: so much, have so much admiration and love for each other,

1248
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: but that it's not right romantically, Like, why is that?

1249
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: Because you have this beautiful lyric that nobody knows that

1250
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: says when you're so in love in your soul's touch,

1251
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: but it's still not in love? Where does it go? Like,

1252
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: I feel like that's something a lot of people have.

1253
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 3: Been struggled with.

1254
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. It is a great question.

1255
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: I don't have the probably greatest answer for. I think

1256
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: that's exactly why I asked, where does it go? Where

1257
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 2: does that love go? When it's so present? And I

1258
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: think the best answer I can come up with is

1259
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: just that love is a lot, but partnership is more

1260
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 2: than love. And I think it has a lot to

1261
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: do with how you support each other in your day

1262
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 2: to day life and really being honest about who you

1263
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: are and making sure that someone that you're with is

1264
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 2: in support of that and doesn't have to bend themselves

1265
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: entirely to be in support of that, and vice versa,

1266
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: you know.

1267
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 3: And I think.

1268
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: It's tough because you can go your whole life and

1269
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 2: never feel that feeling of deep love again. And I

1270
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: think it's just really complex. It's been something I think

1271
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 2: people have been trying to figure out for a long time.

1272
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: And I just think potentially, you mean, we've talked about

1273
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 2: love a lot. I think potentially we're still all wrapping

1274
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 2: our heads around love and we're still working through such westernized,

1275
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 2: movie romanticized, dramatized versions of it. And if you go

1276
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 2: to places that have been less exposed to that type

1277
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 2: of thinking, then maybe love is a little simpler or

1278
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 2: a little more I don't know.

1279
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 3: And so for me, like, I.

1280
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: Just like, hopefully there's a little bit of both. Hopefully

1281
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 2: you can have that spark and that magic and that love,

1282
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 2: and you can also have that compatibility where your two

1283
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: lives are working in flow with each other, you know,

1284
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 2: and obviously you're going to have to bend here and there.

1285
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: But I think to a degree, you know, yeah.

1286
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't ask you or anyone because I think someone

1287
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: has the an answer. I know. I don't I ask

1288
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: because I think when people are navigating something, that's when

1289
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: they have the most reflective, variegated view of it. Because

1290
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: when you're actually going through it, yeah, you actually can

1291
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: at least people can hear themselves in Youah, in your voice,

1292
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: and that's what the song does. It's like people listening

1293
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: to it going gosh, I'm am I with the right

1294
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: person at the wrong time or is it the wrong

1295
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: person at the right time or is it.

1296
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: And it's a constant question. It's like a constant question

1297
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 2: to be like, I mean that's also part of it,

1298
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 2: is like not it's okay to be unsure, even if

1299
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: you're unsure for the rest of your life, Like that

1300
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: might be part of it.

1301
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 3: And that's that.

1302
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: Yah, yeah, yeah, I mean the art of what you're

1303
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: talking about in the album, what you talk about, what

1304
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: we've talked about, what you're speaking about, it is just

1305
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: this like how do we get comfortable with discomfort? How

1306
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: do we get okay with uncertainty? Whether that's and but

1307
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 1: that's like that is the hardest and like you said,

1308
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 1: it's not something that you ever get to. It's something

1309
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: you're constantly practicing, like constantly working on it. And I

1310
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: feel like romantic love is the one that exposes everything

1311
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: because there's love, there's envy, there's comparison, there's competition, Like

1312
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: there's so many emotions that it kind of triggers out

1313
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: in you. What have you done to manage your discomfort

1314
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: uncertainty when it comes.

1315
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 3: To love, or just generally ill to both.

1316
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, both, yeah, both.

1317
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:34,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's it's a lot of therapy, honestly,

1318
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 2: and I think for me, it's just I think everyone's different.

1319
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 2: For me, it's really helpful to just speak as practical

1320
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 2: as I can about each situation. This is what's happening,

1321
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: and this is what's not happening, and this is what's

1322
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 2: going on, and I'm feeling confused and all this is

1323
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: just happening, and that's okay, you know, I think, to

1324
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 2: be honest, it's like, I'm currently not in a relationship,

1325
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 2: so I'm sure I can't wait to be back in

1326
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 2: the love spins that all the emotions getting triggered and

1327
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 2: all this stuff, because being in a relationship is really hard.

1328
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 2: It's I think sometimes it's easier from the place of

1329
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: being single to be like in a place of like hey,

1330
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: like you know, find the balance, but like, once you're

1331
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 2: in a relationship, it's much harder. It's well, once you

1332
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: have something to lose, it's much harder to not have

1333
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 2: a tight grip on it, you know. And so we'll

1334
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 2: see when I'm back in that state.

1335
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: No, I love what you're saying, because I've always said

1336
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: maybe I've never even said this out loud, but I

1337
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: always reflect on like if forever, for whatever reason, and

1338
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: not that this is indicative of anything that's happening, but

1339
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: if for whatever reason, me and RADI were to ever

1340
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: go our separate ways. It's interesting. I think a lot

1341
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: of people would say, oh, but you told us you

1342
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: loved each other. Yeah, and you told us you had

1343
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: the perfect relationship, in which I have not. But and

1344
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't have a perfect relationship. I've never claimed to

1345
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: have one. But the viewpoint becomes but you guys, like,

1346
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: you know, Jay, you wrote a book on love, like

1347
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: how could you break up with someone? And I'm like, no, no, no,

1348
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: like that's life, like, that's reality, like, and I think

1349
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: we have this view again clarifying there's nothing going on here. Yeah,

1350
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: of course, I'm just saying it for an example because

1351
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: I think it's so important to address these things, because

1352
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: I think we have these very fixed viewpoints of what

1353
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: something should be and what something should look like.

1354
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 2: And I think it goes back to just like I

1355
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 2: don't know, like maybe this sounds too idealistic or like optimistic,

1356
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: but like I think it goes back to just finding

1357
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 2: what you actually figuring out what it is you actually

1358
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: want in life. Like for me, it's like, do I

1359
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: want to be in a constant state of like I

1360
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: have someone, I have this like this fiery thing that

1361
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: always is mine and it you know, it's like more

1362
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 2: of that like ownership that like desire, which is which

1363
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 2: is super enticing and gorgeous and it's in itself.

1364
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 3: Or like what is it that I actually want?

1365
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 2: Or do I want to feel just a general more

1366
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: more love from more places? And do I want to

1367
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 2: feel supported and like I'm growing and like I'm being seen?

1368
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 2: And if you really ask yourself that question and then

1369
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: you find an answer, you might not, but if you

1370
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 2: find an answer, then you can start moving forward with

1371
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: what your answer was. And for me, it was really

1372
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 2: more of just like I really do want to just

1373
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: like have a greater I don't want on my ex

1374
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 2: to be in one basket, you know, because I don't

1375
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: know how life can go. Like things happen, people die,

1376
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: people get sick, people you know, fall out like I

1377
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 2: and I don't want to be I would love nothing

1378
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 2: more than to meet my wife as I walk out

1379
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 2: of the store today, but like at the same time too, like, yeah,

1380
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: I just want to until that moment, I'd love to

1381
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 2: be experiencing love also, yeah, and I want to just

1382
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 2: wait till then, you know.

1383
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: So there's some fans outside waiting now ready to go. Yeah, No,

1384
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: it's no. I you know what. That's what I've always

1385
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: admired about you, and I I'm hearing it today. I

1386
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 1: hear it in the album, like You've just always focused

1387
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: on asking good questions. Yeah, and that's like your life,

1388
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: Like that's who you are. And I think that it's

1389
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: so funny because as humans, we get so fixated on

1390
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: the answers, and we get so fixated on just a

1391
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: few answers, so we ask the same questions, yeah, like

1392
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 1: will I ever find my person? Is this the right person?

1393
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: Like we asked the same questions, and we don't ever

1394
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: get any better answers to the same question.

1395
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no answer to those questions.

1396
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: There's no answer to this question. And what I've seen

1397
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: in you is you're always trying to ask like this

1398
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: wide array of questions that you know, like where will

1399
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: it go? Yeah, like isn't because the normal question to

1400
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: that will be like like so when you're so in

1401
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: love and your soul's touch, but it's still not in love.

1402
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: Where does it go? Most people would go, well, is

1403
01:12:59,120 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: that love or not?

1404
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 3: Does that mean it was love?

1405
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1406
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but that's not I don't question that. There's

1407
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: a zero doubt in my mind that love is love.

1408
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's like where does all that love go to?

1409
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: And I think that question itself is like, oh, that

1410
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 2: love is still completely here and able to funnel into

1411
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 2: the same person if they're willing to receive it in

1412
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: a different light, or funnel into anyone else around you

1413
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 2: that you love, you know. And but it's also like damn,

1414
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 2: like that absolutely sucks. Like that there's just that is

1415
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 2: just a it just sucks, you know. So I also

1416
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: I also might have said, like, doesn't that suck? You

1417
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 2: didn't you didn't But that's all I didn't know. But

1418
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: that's something I would have read, Yeah, because it does.

1419
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly the truth. Yeah, it goes back to your point. Yeah,

1420
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 1: have the truth.

1421
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1422
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: No, I really want to encourage people to you know,

1423
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: and I'm going into my world a bit here, but

1424
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: everyone who's listening and watching, I really hope this album

1425
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: helps you ask different questions. Yeah, because I feel like

1426
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: that's a real strength you have and I've learned through

1427
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: being in your company. Man, you don't really ask the

1428
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: same questions that we all ask. And I think that's

1429
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: what's led you on this beautiful journey and beautiful path

1430
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: and been able to look at the same things we

1431
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 1: all go through but in a different lens. Is because

1432
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: it's your ability to always zoom out and ask a

1433
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: question that isn't the obvious one.

1434
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 3: Oh wow, thank you, And it's really.

1435
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: Powerful and I love that it's through music. So yeah, sorry,

1436
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: I went into a self development person.

1437
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 3: Now, but hey, man, I'm right there. They all know that.

1438
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. There's a couple more lyrics here that

1439
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: I that I love because they're just so powerful in

1440
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: the love and relationship space that I have to bring

1441
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: them out this year this one. So but what about

1442
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: the in betweens you lay your head on me living

1443
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: for the next time that we touch. Isn't that enough?

1444
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: Talk me through that? Yeah?

1445
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 2: I think similar kind of to what we were just

1446
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: saying is if you're if you're always focused on the highs,

1447
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: you might be waiting a while to receive something special,

1448
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: you know, And all these all these beautiful in between moments,

1449
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 2: like even like for me allowing myself to kind of

1450
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 2: like love the moment before the show and after the

1451
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: show and the morning and.

1452
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 3: All of that.

1453
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: Really it does one, it does a lot of things.

1454
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: Actually takes pressure off of the show to have to

1455
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 2: be such a big deal. And then it also just

1456
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 2: helps me enjoy the day generally much more. You know,

1457
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 2: if I sit there all day being like, there's one

1458
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: important thing today and that's the show. That's basically one

1459
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 2: and an hour and a half two hours of my day,

1460
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 2: what about the rest of it? You know, I want

1461
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,440
Speaker 2: to enjoy the in betweens two because they are beautiful,

1462
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 2: you know.

1463
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because otherwise our lives just bookends.

1464
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 3: They're just our life. We look back, it's just the

1465
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 3: highs and lows, you know.

1466
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 1: Yeah that well, like yeah, that's yeah. And I find

1467
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 1: like it's also then your life becomes a waiting for yeah,

1468
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: And so you're living in constant anticipation or constant anxiety

1469
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: for something to end. Yes, And that's the only in

1470
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: between you have. It's still linked to a beginning and

1471
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: an end. So I'm in anticipation of when will that

1472
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: good thing come? And then I'm an anxiety of.

1473
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 3: When will this good thing end? Yeah?

1474
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, one last one which you go so vulnerable and

1475
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: you say, where is it? Visions of a naked in

1476
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: my head? Head? But I went off and shows my

1477
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:41,879
Speaker 1: self instead.

1478
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's that's.

1479
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 2: There is a voice maybe you can call it a

1480
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 2: voice or a feeling I think inside of us that

1481
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: says sometimes like, this is what you gotta do. You

1482
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: gotta do something hard here, you know, and our very

1483
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 2: human side will do everything in its power to get

1484
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: you not to do that, and it will just like

1485
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 2: show you images and movies and the best plot you've

1486
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: ever you know, seen in your life of the thing,

1487
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 2: and it can really confuse you and just be like

1488
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 2: what have I done? You know, if you are I mean,

1489
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: I think a really common thing, actually I've noticed is

1490
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people who have recently been in a

1491
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 2: breakup would be would tell me like, oh, like I've

1492
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 2: been having dreams of them every single night for three months,

1493
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, And.

1494
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 3: I thought that was just me.

1495
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 2: I thought I was just I thought I was the

1496
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: only one, and I thought it meant something. And I

1497
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 2: think that it's really common, you know, just for our

1498
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 2: it's part of the process of something and at the

1499
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 2: end of the day, like I think we all we

1500
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 2: can do is try to make the best decision that

1501
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 2: we think is best for ourselves and accept that because

1502
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to at the end of my life,

1503
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 2: God's not going to appear and be like, hey, all

1504
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 2: these things you did, those were the right decisions and

1505
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 2: all these ones were the wrong ones. Like that's not

1506
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 2: going to happen. I'm never going to get that. I'm

1507
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: never going to get that. So I'm just trying to

1508
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: understand that, Like, yeah, I think it's it's just expressing

1509
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 2: that side of just like mental torment when you're going

1510
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 2: through healing, that's just like it wants to.

1511
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 3: Keep you somewhere.

1512
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,839
Speaker 2: A big question I ask myself is like, when I

1513
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 2: am struggling to move past something, I ask myself, like,

1514
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 2: what is it that holding on to this thing or

1515
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: this person or this way, What is that protecting me from?

1516
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 2: Like what is that way of being protecting me from?

1517
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 2: So many times it comes back to such a similar thing,

1518
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: you know, And in relationships it's oftentimes just like oh,

1519
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: this feeling of comfort, this feeling of I don't want

1520
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 2: to be alone, you know, and the beautiful thing is

1521
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 2: that if you can kind of move through those feelings,

1522
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: on the other end, might be like a grander sense

1523
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 2: of comfort from within yourself, but also a greater diversified

1524
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: comfort from many people, and that creates a more consistent

1525
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 2: sense of home and comfort. And it's just like, it's

1526
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 2: just interesting how it all works.

1527
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: What about the torment of people who would say, like, well,

1528
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: why can't you and come and just make it work

1529
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: and just be together and just like come on, you

1530
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: love each other so much. All the other side where

1531
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: people would say, well, well, if it's not working, just

1532
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: let it be, just just throw it away, just forget

1533
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: about it, and you're kind of happy to live in

1534
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 1: the torment of like I'm happy to be in the

1535
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: in between.

1536
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 2: I think the reality is no one will ever know

1537
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 2: what it's like to be in our bodies and to

1538
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 2: feel what we feel and to know where we know

1539
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: we're going, because oftentimes where we know we're going is

1540
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 2: not something we can express through words to other people.

1541
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 2: It's just a sense, a sense of where I'm headed,

1542
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 2: and no one's ever gonna understand that.

1543
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 3: So I just that stuff. There's just noise in the wind.

1544
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 2: For me. It feels like we're talking something so surface

1545
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 2: here about something so immensely deep and complex that it's

1546
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 2: not even worth my time to go into the answer

1547
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 2: those questions, because there's not even an answer to those questions,

1548
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 2: you know, And it's not a sense of I think

1549
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: choosing to live in torment. I think it's exactly like

1550
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 2: listening to yourself and trusting that. And I had a

1551
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 2: friend who's going through a hard decision and they asked me, like,

1552
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 2: I said, you just got to follow your intuition, Like

1553
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 2: what does that feel like? And I'm like, well, I

1554
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 2: can't necessarily. I'm like, I don't know, like a like

1555
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 2: a little thing in your stomach or your heart.

1556
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, I actually don't know.

1557
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 2: Like, but this is clearly exactly the moment that you

1558
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 2: are about to learn what it feels like. And like,

1559
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: if you can't find that sense of intuition, then at

1560
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 2: that point, I don't know what guides us.

1561
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1562
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 2: Also, if you're not sure, you might not be ready

1563
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: to make the decision yet, Like there's a pressure to

1564
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 2: make decisions all the time. Like, I understand you don't

1565
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 2: want to waste people's time. I understand you don't want

1566
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: to do the wrong thing prematurely, but like, some things

1567
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 2: just need to play themselves out, and it's just I

1568
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 2: think that's just a reality too, you know. So allow

1569
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 2: yourself to get to that place, but don't let yourself

1570
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: go over that place.

1571
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 3: Please.

1572
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this to you because I don't

1573
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: think I've said this to you before, but but it's

1574
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: an interesting reflection I'm having right now. I actually feel

1575
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: with you. We get a sense of your old soul

1576
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: when I ask you a superficial question and actually, like,

1577
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: and I haven't tried to ask any profound questions today

1578
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: because that's not my goal, but there's a beautiful simplicity

1579
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: of you that comes out out because you would never

1580
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: answer a basic, simple question in a basic, simple way.

1581
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: And that's what I think actually kind of demonstrates where

1582
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 1: your consciousness is, Yeah, in a beautiful way. And so

1583
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: it's just the thought I'm having right now. I'm like,

1584
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm never going to ask you a profound question ever

1585
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: again in my life, because that's not it for you.

1586
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: For you, your your like essence comes out when you're

1587
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: having like a conversation that people woul think is really normal. Yeah,

1588
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 1: but you just don't look at it that way. It

1589
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense totally.

1590
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 2: I almost can't compute. It's like the thing happens in

1591
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 2: my head where I can't compute surface and I'm like,

1592
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 2: it's not computing.

1593
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 3: You gotta get we gotta get under it.

1594
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: That's how we get to see that you're not computing. Yeah,

1595
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: And I only realized it while having this conversation. I

1596
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, like but but yeah, I wanted

1597
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: to show you something because I sent it. You can

1598
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 1: you'll probably guess where it's from, which I thought was

1599
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: really beautiful.

1600
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's beautiful. Man, it's Tony crying.

1601
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: What was he crying about?

1602
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 3: I probably a lot of things.

1603
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 2: He's going through a lot of beautiful things in his

1604
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 2: life right now too. But these are my people, Like

1605
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 2: these are I talk about, Like an album is not

1606
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 2: just about making music, if you let it, it can

1607
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 2: also be about completely changing your life and the relationship

1608
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 2: to the people you've made the album with. Like what

1609
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 2: this has done for me and these guys, it's just

1610
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 2: like they became friendships to lifelong friendships.

1611
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: You know, what does it feel like being in this

1612
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: room ten years dude? Since like that to me feels

1613
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: like such an incredible journey that we're getting to be

1614
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: a part of here, Like to sit in here ten

1615
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: years older you were what you were sixteen, yeah, fifteen

1616
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: going on sixteen.

1617
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember singing treat you Better in here, and

1618
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 2: like I just was, I remember just like so much

1619
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: inner torment and so much breakthrough. Like this is a

1620
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 2: place of breakthrough for me. This is always where I'm

1621
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 2: found the wall and I've broken through it and it's

1622
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: just a magical little place.

1623
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 1: Dude.

1624
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 2: It's like it's like my version of Hogwarts here, you know,

1625
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: it really is, and I can't I'm just so like

1626
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 2: this this time around, Like what I've been really trying

1627
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 2: to do is everything to be really have a lot

1628
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 2: of intention of just like we're here right now, you know,

1629
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 2: and we're upstate and I'm going to play a show

1630
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: in a few days. Where I made the album. It's

1631
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 2: like you have to work so much harder to curate

1632
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 2: an experience when you just allow the story. You just

1633
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 2: kind of let the story happen and support that, you know,

1634
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 2: and it just feels like, yeah, I needed a lot

1635
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 2: of holding and even even just through this week, like

1636
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: the first little show I did yesterday, like I needed

1637
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 2: to be in this room.

1638
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 3: This room knows how to hold me. And yeah, man, just.

1639
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 2: It's cool. I just love it here. I'll be here

1640
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 2: for many more years.

1641
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I feel like everyone can find a

1642
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: similar place like this for themselves. It may not be

1643
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 1: a place where they record music, but a place that

1644
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: they can turn to and come to and be held

1645
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: by and be embraced by and feel rooted and feel nourished.

1646
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,759
Speaker 1: And yeah, I hope there's access is symbol to encourage

1647
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: people to look for that. And it could just be

1648
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: a little tree somewhere on a hike. It could just

1649
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: what's your take on.

1650
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, look for it or be open to the

1651
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 2: fact that you might be in it and you might

1652
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 2: know it very well.

1653
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's just having a space.

1654
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 2: That holds the intention of the place you go to

1655
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 2: lay it all out, you know, really like lay it

1656
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 2: all out and break through and and struggle, and not

1657
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: all studios feel like this. It's also a beautiful town

1658
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 2: we're into like this town is special and being you know,

1659
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 2: in nature, like that's just like in the winter, it

1660
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 2: gets really different here too.

1661
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 3: It's a whole whole story.

1662
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 1: We've had rain and thunder, and every day it's a

1663
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: beautiful I've been looking at it. Yeah, it was raining, Yeah, yeah, Sean.

1664
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: You talked about your sister and I talked about mine.

1665
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1666
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: And Elie actually sent us a note.

1667
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 3: No way my sister.

1668
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: Yes.

1669
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm gonna cry already.

1670
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: Is it? Yeah? Crash choked it up.

1671
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 3: Crash looked this up. Oh no, you're ready? Sure, so,

1672
01:26:58,479 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 3: she says.

1673
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: Dear Sean, I want to start by saying a huge

1674
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you

1675
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 1: for opening up your heart, being brave and sharing your

1676
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: incredible gifts with all of us. Thank you for being

1677
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: not just a beautiful human but also the most amazing friend, brother, son, mentor,

1678
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 1: and artist. I'm truly at a loss for words to

1679
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: describe how proud I am of you, how proud we

1680
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:32,440
Speaker 1: all are. Your music today feels like the most genuine

1681
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: and authentic art you've ever created. It's filled with vulnerability, fear, diversity, patience, humility, pain,

1682
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 1: and a sense of home. But above all, it feels

1683
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: unapologetically and beautifully you. Watching you grow over the years

1684
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: has been such a privilege. I feel extremely lucky to

1685
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: be by your side as your little and to be

1686
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: a part of this incredible process with you, You've taught

1687
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 1: me so much about connecting with my own heart and body,

1688
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 1: tapping into embracing my truths, and living with more love, perspective,

1689
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: and abundance. I absolutely adore your eagerness to learn and

1690
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,759
Speaker 1: the way you listen so thoughtfully.

1691
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 3: Eagerness is a kind word.

1692
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I really enjoy watching your unique

1693
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 1: YouTube videos with you. Honestly, you're like a real life,

1694
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: freaking cool superhero to me. Thank you for having the

1695
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: courage to be imperfect and for sharing that with the world.

1696
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: Your compassion and kindness, both towards yourself and others are

1697
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: real superpowers. We all feel the depth of your connection

1698
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: through your authenticity. It shines in everything you do, and

1699
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 1: it's especially powerful in Shoran the album Low. This connection

1700
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: you create through your music has helped me feel more

1701
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: grounded in my own life, and I know or resume

1702
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: with others in just as meaningful a way. It's like

1703
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: nine hearts with love so deeply.

1704
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 3: Eliah oh Man, that's so beautiful. Thank you. That means

1705
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 3: a lot. I love you.

1706
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:20,640
Speaker 2: Lena oh Man. Yeah, she is my best friend. Like

1707
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 2: over the last six months, we've just gotten so close

1708
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 2: and my little big sister too. Like I think when

1709
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 2: you start letting your little sister be your big sister sometimes,

1710
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 2: you know, it's such a beautiful experience when you see

1711
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 2: your pain turn into something beautiful. And then people start

1712
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 2: to feel that way, and you got to believe people

1713
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 2: when they tell you, you know, especially in people in

1714
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 2: my life, like she would not say that if she

1715
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 2: didn't mean it, even for you. And so yeah, I'm

1716
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 2: just I'm kind of in awe of it all and

1717
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 2: grateful for it all because although I was there every

1718
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 2: day doing it like they're really was a greater thing

1719
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: at play in.

1720
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1721
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 3: Man, it's it's been the most healing thing I've ever done.

1722
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1723
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 3: I really hope people feel that way, to be honest.

1724
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, I mean I wanted you to hear

1725
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Speaker 1: it from her because I feel like we all need

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01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: to hear it. Yeah, we all need to hear it.

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01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 1: And you know, I can imagine that when you finish

1729
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: an album, it's actually the beginning of then sharing it

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01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: with the world.

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01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 1: And so my hope today internally was like I want

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01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: you to feel so much love, yeah, and so much

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01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: support and so much embrace so that as you go out.

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01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 2: And I thought of it almost like this, like at

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01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 2: the beginning, it's this little spark that's so you know, tender,

1737
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 2: and you have the people you really trust, and you

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01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 2: show them little clips of it, little voice memos, and

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01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 2: they put little they put their little twigs on it,

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01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 2: and that flame starts to grow. And then you start

1741
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 2: showing other people and they put a log and I

1742
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 2: almost imagine my team and my friends and my family

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01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 2: each place logs on this fire, and now we just

1744
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 2: have this like massive bonfire going there. If there was

1745
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 2: a hurricane, it wouldn't blow it out. And it's just like,

1746
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 2: all right, now, we're good. Give it to the world.

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01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 2: It can handle anything, you know. And that's really what

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01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,919
Speaker 2: it feels like. It feels so much greater than anything

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01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 2: I could be a part of.

1750
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 3: And but thank you. That's really so sweet man.

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01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: I love you, man, I always have. It's really special

1752
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: for me as well, because I feel like I've said

1753
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 1: this to you, and I want to say out loud,

1754
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: it's the You had every reason when I met you

1755
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: to just keep doing what would have been the right

1756
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:45,560
Speaker 1: business decision, the right professional decision, the right artist decision

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01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 1: from a results standpoint, and I think your bravery encourage

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01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 1: at your age and the maturity to step back and

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01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: actually say, I'm going to go on a deep in journey.

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01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: And I don't even want to use the words find

1761
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 1: yourself because that would mean that you've completed it and

1762
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: now you're sharing it. So just go on a journey

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01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: of self discovery and adventure and then to come back

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01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: to this when you feel you're ready to share wherever

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01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: you currently are. It would have been so much easier

1766
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 1: to just not think about these things in the short term.

1767
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: And as I've said to you before, I've seen people

1768
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 1: do that for three or four decades and then finally

1769
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: figure it out. And the fact that you chose to

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01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 1: do it so young is an immense credit to your

1771
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 1: incredible family, your friends, to your team and everyone around

1772
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: you because you made the hardest, most difficult decision in

1773
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 1: your position and so like happy to just see the

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01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 1: fruits of it. You too, man, because I still remember

1775
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: so many conversations.

1776
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 2: Of infinite all the little seeds that we planted of

1777
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 2: like tension and love and hope and everything. It's all

1778
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 2: just everything's blooming. We're standing in the farm of just

1779
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 2: like like everything at the same it's almost overwhelming the

1780
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 2: amount that starts to happen in the harvest, and it's

1781
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 2: just yeah, this season.

1782
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 1: And I'm so humbled that you allowed me to not

1783
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 1: only walk that parts of that journey, little parts of

1784
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 1: that journey with you, but have this opportunity today too,

1785
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 1: because it's rare that you get to live in these

1786
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 1: cycles with people. Yeah, especially when we're so busy and

1787
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, and so I'm so grateful that this is

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01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 1: the first of our hopefully forever cycles. Yes, sir, I'm

1789
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 1: with you all the way. I love you, rooting for you,

1790
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 1: and thank you. Jy, I've got your back through it all.

1791
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 3: Thank you, man, I know you do.

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01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really appreciate you.

1793
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 3: Man to man.

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01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: We end every on purpose with a final five, which

1795
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 1: are fast five. You have to answer each question and

1796
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: one word to one sentences. Not superficial. I'm not like,

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01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:16,799
Speaker 1: what's your favorite you start getting question questionable one, Sean,

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01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: these are your fast five. Questionable one. What is the

1799
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: best advice you've ever heard or received?

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01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 3: Wow, nothing's coming to mind.

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01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:31,719
Speaker 1: That's good. I like that already.

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01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 3: It all sums up in an energy. I guess more.

1803
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 2: That's just like anytime someone says something that just allows

1804
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 2: there to be more space, you know.

1805
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,879
Speaker 1: Question number two, what is the worst advice you've ever heard.

1806
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 3: To suck it up?

1807
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: Question number three, how would you define your current purpose?

1808
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 2: I would define my current purpose with just being committed

1809
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 2: to be the most honest version of myself in every moment.

1810
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 2: You know, I have a lot of trust in what

1811
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:24,560
Speaker 2: that will do in this world.

1812
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 3: And I think.

1813
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 2: I've learned so much, like even just to be here,

1814
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 2: I've learned so much about following my truth into the

1815
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 2: dark and feeling like I'm letting people down, but how

1816
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 2: that led me into creating a really beautiful healing album

1817
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 2: and hopefully to how that will pick people up. And

1818
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 2: it's kind of all part of it.

1819
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 1: Question for is what's the message to the fans with

1820
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: this album?

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01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 3: Sean and bring your tissues.

1822
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 2: I love you, guys, and I am beyond grateful for

1823
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 2: your patience and your love. And it's a beautiful thing

1824
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 2: to be growing up at the same time as you,

1825
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,560
Speaker 2: and so I hope a lot of the words and

1826
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 2: the stories resonate with you, and I hope you feel me,

1827
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 2: because I feel like we've been out of connection for

1828
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 2: a long time. And I just always want to be

1829
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 2: honest with you guys, no matter what, and so I

1830
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 2: hope you love it.

1831
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 1: A little offshore of that, why was now the right

1832
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: time to come back for you?

1833
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 2: There was a moment six months ago when Andrew and

1834
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 2: a couple of people I love, they kind of like

1835
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 2: were like, hey, can we just play you back some

1836
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,639
Speaker 2: ideas you've sent us that we think are cool. And

1837
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 2: I was like, they're probably not. And they brought me

1838
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 2: into a room and they played them back, and I

1839
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,720
Speaker 2: was like, these are kind of cool, and it was

1840
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 2: just very obvious to me that, like I gotta go try,

1841
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, like I think oftentimes people wait for inspiration

1842
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 2: to fall into their lap before they try, and then

1843
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 2: sometimes you got to go in there and chop with

1844
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 2: and water for a few days before inspiration strikes, and

1845
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 2: you know, three days of like why am I here?

1846
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 2: I should not be here, I'm not ready to be here.

1847
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 2: The fourth day inspiration strikes. Six months later, you forgot

1848
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 2: you ever were shopping wedod and carrying water. You were

1849
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:19,719
Speaker 2: just enjoying yourself and making art and it just changed,

1850
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,600
Speaker 2: you know. So it's the right time, I guess, just

1851
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 2: because it is.

1852
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 1: Did you really want to leave in those first three.

1853
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 3: Days, desperately.

1854
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's funny how quickly I forgot I wanted

1855
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 2: to leave, and how quickly it just turned into passion

1856
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 2: and inspired to make something beautiful again, like almost like

1857
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 2: a night and day difference. That's how inspiration works sometimes.

1858
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, feel the fear and do it anyway exactly. Yeah,

1859
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: you're not going to wait for it to be free

1860
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 1: of fear and then take the step.

1861
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, The fear is like the greatest thing

1862
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 2: because you're scared of something, and that's something is probably

1863
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 2: something worth writing about if you're a writer.

1864
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 1: You know. If some final question, we asked this to

1865
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 1: anyone who's ever been on the show. The question is,

1866
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: if you had to create one law that everyone in

1867
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 1: the world had to follow, what would it be.

1868
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 2: The law would be to say what you really feel,

1869
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 2: you know, but to say it in a way that

1870
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 2: doesn't really hurt people, but like to speak the truth.

1871
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 3: You know, speak your truth. You're going to get so

1872
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 3: much further.

1873
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 2: I think with that that'd be a horrible law though.

1874
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 2: And Lars, yeah, I'm gonna get arrested if I don't

1875
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 2: say this, man, but that hair does not not your

1876
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 2: hair right now.

1877
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:38,719
Speaker 3: It's great.

1878
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, Sean, thank you, my brother. I

1879
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Yes, it's been beautiful. It's been a lot of.

1880
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 3: Fun, Yes it has.

1881
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 1: It's been emotional. It's been deep and raw and vulnerable,

1882
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 1: just like the album. And I can't wait to see

1883
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 1: you perform live. I'm so excited.

1884
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.

1885
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 1: If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode

1886
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 1: with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how

1887
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 1: to speak to yourself with more compassion.

1888
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 2: My fears are only going to continue to show me

1889
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 2: what I'm capable of.

1890
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: The more that I face my fears, the more that

1891
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:18,640
Speaker 1: I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom, and I

1892
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 1: just want to keep doing that.