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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Paul Mission Control decond. Most importantly, you are you, You

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. This is uh, this is a bit

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Speaker 1: of an Indiana Jones episode for us. Man, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: come on, I know, especially you and I loved Indiana

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Speaker 1: Jones stuff. Oh yes, immensely, immensely, and I believe we

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Speaker 1: we may have talked before. I don't know whether it

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Speaker 1: head and shoulders above, streets ahead, as they would say

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Speaker 1: on the former TV show Community Exactly. I can see.

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Speaker 1: I I would have agreed with you until I saw

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Speaker 1: the crystal Skulls. Yeah, that was like, this is a masterpiece, right,

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Speaker 1: oh man, especially the ninjas that appear. The ninja's for me,

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Speaker 1: it's all about that refrigerator. I I can't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's yeah, what better piece of cinema is there? I

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Speaker 1: one thing I like about that film series, especially in

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Speaker 1: The fascinating thing about the concept of Indiana Jones, which

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Speaker 1: It's It's true also that Indiana Jones was created or

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Speaker 1: Archaeology and the field of archaeology is far from dusty

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Speaker 1: of the debates in archaeology that began, you know, forty

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Speaker 1: do always have to remember here history is continually being written,

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Speaker 1: that would be used in in religious ceremonies, right, also

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Speaker 1: priestly vestments. Yeah, but I want to get back to

426
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: the vessels. The vessels were really fun for me because

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read you a quote from one of these,

428
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: just so everybody can hear. Is that okay? That's perfect?

429
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: I I forgot this was coming. Just really cool. Please

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00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: let's do it. Just speaking of vessels. So this is

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00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: officially column three. You can find this online if you

432
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: want to. You can see it in there, and this

433
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: is just me reading it in from an English translation.

434
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: Dig down nine cubits into the southern corner of the courtyard.

435
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: There will be silver and gold vessels given as offerings, bowls, cups,

436
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: sprinkling basins, libation tubes, and pictures. Altogether, they will total

437
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: six D nine pieces. Libation tubest what what? What's the

438
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: libation tube? A libation tube is anything that you pour

439
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: some drink into. My friend, it could be wine, it

440
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: could be any other libation, as long as you're having

441
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: fun and and hopefully doing it in sacrament to some

442
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: higher deity. Librate right, Librate to your heart's content. Would

443
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: you call that, uh liban? Would you call that tuban

444
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: or lebanuban? Uh? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. They also these were.

445
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: The name sounds a bit funny in English, but libation

446
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: tubes did serve an important purpose rights they were connecting

447
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: the living with the dead and so on, So this

448
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: is incredibly important to point out. Though again, not all

449
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: of the treasures gold and silver. There were things that

450
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: the community truly believed you could not put a price

451
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: on right, these priceless objects, and they must be hidden

452
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: from invading forces such as the Romans, who of course

453
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: will show up later. There's another interesting part though, at

454
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: the very towards the very end of the copper scroll,

455
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: it says there's another scroll out there that has more details.

456
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: It's as if they knew people would complain about the

457
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: directions in the scroll, which will get to by the

458
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: way they're they're laughable. But that other document, whatever it is,

459
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: has yet to be found. There are experts of plenty

460
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: in this field, like a Theodore H. Gaster. He studied

461
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: the copper Scroll extensively, and he believed that it was

462
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: in fact alluding to a real treasure, and that this

463
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: treasure could come from one of three sources. The first

464
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: of those would be treasure that was acquired by the

465
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: Kumarn community of the Escenes that we discussed before. It

466
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: would kind of make sense just you know, when you're

467
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: thinking about all the religious kuchma that was buried in

468
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: all of these things, you can imagine that if it

469
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: is a religious community, perhaps a lot of this the

470
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: wealth of the gold and everything came through the form

471
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: of some kind of tithing or donation or some you know,

472
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: you can imagine it was gathered in some way like that.

473
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: It kind of makes sense. The next possible source of

474
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: this treasure would be from the Second Temple in Jerusalem. However,

475
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: we do have to kind of point out here that

476
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: the historical records suggests that a lot of the main

477
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: or the a large amount of the main treasure that

478
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: was inside that Second Temple was in the building when

479
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: Rome came through and sacked all of Jerusalem after they

480
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: breached all the walls. And it's a there's a great

481
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: there's a great article on how Stuff Works dot Com

482
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: that goes kind of it paints a really great picture

483
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: of what occurred when the Romans sect uh sack Jerusalem

484
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: that time. Um, it does not rule out this possibility,

485
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: though there's a significant portion of the treasures that may

486
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: have possibly at least you know, this is it's a belief, right,

487
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: This is where we're talking about this. There's a suggestion

488
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: a significant portion of the treasures may have been taken

489
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: away from the temple because it was known that the

490
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: Romans were coming through for days, right, So there was

491
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: probably preparation to get a lot of this treasure out

492
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: and hide it somewhere before they actually breached the walls.

493
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: And the third idea is that this treasure came from

494
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: the first Temple, which was destroyed by the king of

495
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: Babylon Nebuchadnezzar in five eighties six BC. There's one problem

496
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: with that though. The scroll has been dated to as

497
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: you said, earlier mat like CE at the earliest, so

498
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: it's unlikely that somebody went back and made a treasure

499
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: map centuries later, especially when you see how it's written.

500
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, But here's the thing I would point

501
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: out when I was I was reading that too. This

502
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: is my suggestion, and this is there's no weight behind

503
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: this suggestion. But if the treasures were secreted away from

504
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: either of the temples and kept somewhere, right, um, perhaps

505
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: this burying them across the land and all these varying

506
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: places that you'd need to dig to find them very

507
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: much buried treasure. Um, it could be an interesting strategy

508
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: for hiding them a second time, or maybe a third time,

509
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: or you know, however many iterations these treasures had been

510
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: hidden away from popular view or from the authorities view. Yeah,

511
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the tantalizing thing about this, right.

512
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: We we have solid, concrete, tangible proof of something, and

513
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: now it's it's a herculean mental exercise to try to

514
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: plausibly and realistically connect these dots. You know. But when

515
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: we talk about connecting dots, we're also talking about decoding

516
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: the manuscript itself, because it was written in Hebrew, but

517
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: it was written in a different kind of Hebrew, and

518
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: the chronology makes us assume that this was deposited later,

519
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: was possibly from a different group of people. Will explore

520
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: more of the conundrum of the copper scroll after word

521
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: from our sponsor. All right, and we're back. Now. We've

522
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: been talking about, you know, the origin a lot of

523
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: this copper scroll, but we really really want to answer

524
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: the question, is there actual treasure out there that if

525
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: let's say we got on a plane and ended up

526
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: there in that area, could we find some talents underneath

527
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: the ground somewhere Troy ounces. Well, what do you think

528
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: then it's possible. But to do that we would have

529
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: to Indiana Jones style to side for the manuscript. So,

530
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: for instance, we we said a talent, we had the

531
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: equivalent there for troy ounce. But unsurprisingly, directions are not

532
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: given in kilometers, nor are they in miles. Oh yes,

533
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: oh sure, yes, absolutely we we mentioned this when I

534
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 1: read column three, it says dig down nine cubits. So

535
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: if you were to dig down nine cubits, what what

536
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: the heck would that look like? Well, let's talk about

537
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: it really, really quickly. A cubit is an ancient and

538
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: handy measurement, and that is a pun and we'll get

539
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: to it. So let's do something fun together right now. Uh, Paul,

540
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: you do this too, just so I can see if

541
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: I'm telling it correctly. Uh. Please take your dominant hand

542
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: and stretch it directly out in front of you. All right, Okay,

543
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: Now let's bend your elbow so it's ninety degrees facing upwards. Okay, okay, excellent.

544
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: Now the length for your elbow to the middle finger,

545
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: your middle fingers, which is stretched out by the way,

546
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention that that is a cubit, not

547
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: bert No, a cube bit. And here's there's a bit

548
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: of a problem here because my cub it is not

549
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 1: exactly the same length as your cube it. It's gonna

550
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: be clos ish, but it's not exactly the same. It's

551
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 1: roughly eighteen inches somewhere around that that length, or about

552
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: forty six centimeters. But this is the measurement that was

553
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: used in throughout ancient history for a long long time.

554
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: And just think about how helpful this measurement is for

555
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: someone anyone who's working on either a huge project or

556
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: just something maybe in their home. You can measure something.

557
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: I'll be like, I want this table to be about

558
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: four cubits across, and you could measure that as you're going,

559
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, cut cut wood to an exact measurement,

560
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: right close to exact measurement. And then you could also

561
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: talk with your or you know, colleagues, or if you

562
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: want to sell it, you can say this thing is

563
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: it's about three four cubits. Yeah, it's pretty cool to me.

564
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I I didn't know that. I'm just excited to have

565
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: that knowledge. It's a measuring tool that you carry with

566
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: you at all times. Yeah, you don't need You don't

567
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: need a tool. Yeah, you're the tool. Tell yourself that,

568
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: say I am in the mirror. So this is just

569
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: one example of the the different phrases or concepts that

570
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: have to be translated deciphered for us to launch an

571
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: actual treasure hunt based on the information we find in

572
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: the copper scroll. Spoiler alert. For some people, what you're

573
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: about to hear maybe very disappointing. For others in the

574
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: audience today, it may be quite inspiring. And it is

575
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: this the treasure which was almost definitely real, by which

576
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: we mean real gold, reel, silver, you know what I mean,

577
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: the moolah, the good stuff, stuff you could trade on

578
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: a market today. This is not like a treasure like

579
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: the friends we made along the way or you know, uh,

580
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: this is a child's doll that was really important to

581
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: a person who died. Yeah, it just to point out here,

582
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense for someone anyone to take the

583
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: time and effort and resources to inscribe in that copper

584
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: scroll all of the information that is on there if

585
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: it's just some mythical thing that there's no actual treasure all, Like,

586
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: why would you do that? So that's the spoiler alert.

587
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: This treasure, which again is overwhelmingly likely to be a

588
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: real thing. It has never been found, not as far

589
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: as we know, a single piece of it, not even

590
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: the like, not even the idea of a single piece

591
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: of gold or silver. Not a single piece one of

592
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: those vessels that was mentioned, No libation tube, etcetera. There's

593
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: there's a guy who allegedly found some tiny little a

594
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: couple of small pieces, but it was not like, well

595
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: he found a rock, right, I think so there he

596
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: said it was man made. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. People, this

597
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: hasn't stopped people from searching, of course, Um, well, why

598
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: hasn't it been found? That's that's the craziest question. First,

599
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: I think we mentioned earlier when we were talking about

600
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: the possible origin of the treasure. We have to think

601
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: of the sheer passage of time. It is plausible that

602
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: sometime between modern day exploration and excavation and the time

603
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: that these things were originally written, at the time this

604
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: treasure was originally buried, it's completely possible any that any

605
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: number of people looted the Jesus out of the thing.

606
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, but why would you leave the copper

607
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: scroll behind? Well, the scroll clearly wasn't next to the treasure.

608
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: It's supposed to tell you where to go. Yeah, but

609
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: you'd use the trail. Sure, you'd have to take it

610
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: with you. Right, Well, what if you just found the

611
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: treasure and you never found the scroll, you know what

612
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean? But this stuff is like nine cubits You

613
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: have to dig like nine cubits. Well, we also have

614
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: to remember, for instance, that our prime suspect for a

615
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: contemporaneous looting operation would have been the Roman community, and

616
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: the Romans at the time, uh standard operating procedure was

617
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: to torture people to get information so they could have

618
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: found uh one. I mean that's also why the treasure

619
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: was not put in one location. Yes, right, so maybe

620
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: it was a situation where outside of the authors of

621
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: the Copper Scroll, most people didn't know. You know, they

622
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: probably have pretty good operational security. Most people didn't know

623
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: where the other sixty four or excuse me sixty three

624
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: things were. That is really smart to split it up

625
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: as much as they did. Yeah, well, if this was,

626
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: if this was a treasure from the Second Temple, it

627
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: was very much not the first rodeo, you know what

628
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Esson's learned. So the other idea is that

629
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: there may have been a cover up of some sort

630
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: that was successful, and that the people responsible for hiding

631
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: the gold and silver did a great job. But outside

632
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: of the Copper Scroll and this other unidentified orundiscovered document,

633
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: they just never shared the information with others, or they

634
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: passed away, or the people they told the secret to

635
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: at some point communication between generations failed. Add to that,

636
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: the vagueness of this scroll can be maddening. This is,

637
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: if I may, I'm going to read just the excerpt

638
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: from the instructions to to one of the treasure locations.

639
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: We want to see what you think. I'm just gonna

640
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: read it without other than saying it's vague. In the

641
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: salt pit that is under the steps, forty one talents

642
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: of silver, in the cave of the Old washers Chamber

643
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: on the third terrace, sixty five in gets of gold.

644
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: What's the Old washers Chamber? Huh? You know what I mean, dude.

645
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: I I'm telling you, I have such a feeling about this.

646
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: It was an internal document. It was this is what

647
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: I'm feeling, and I remember as I was reading through.

648
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: You can find a couple of places online where you

649
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: can read translations of the full scroll, and it really

650
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: does go on like that, Like, that's pretty much what

651
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: Ben just read. It's it's like twelve columns of that um.

652
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: And it feels like somebody within a group of people

653
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: recording um with places like that, like the old washers whatever,

654
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: the specific cave that doesn't have an exact you know,

655
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: the name is a little strange. It doesn't match up

656
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: historically with any other case. They everybody in that insular

657
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: group knows all these places intimately, and they know exactly

658
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: where to go and where to dig and everything, but

659
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: they're just keeping a record of it, or somebody within

660
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: it is the record keeper of it. Sure, yeah, you

661
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: could it just totally. It totally makes sense. I mean

662
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: that makes yeah, it does make sense. I agree with you.

663
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: The first thing this made me think of through analogy

664
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: was the experience that you have if you have ever

665
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: given or received directions in very small towns. Yeah, exactly.

666
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: You know. The you may have something that sounds really clear,

667
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: like take Main Street and then take a left on

668
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: coal Quit at the corner of the Arby's, why the

669
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: Arby's or something, but you may also have something like

670
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: go about I don't go a mile till you get

671
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: to where the old mill burned down, and then you

672
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: know there should be a post office box, um, and

673
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: then you go and I think you go for about

674
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: three miles until you get where the Tilman's used to live,

675
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: and then you take a right there. See for us,

676
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: just we're been in and Nolan, Paul and I live.

677
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: It's so much easier to give directions to anyone because

678
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: you can just pinpoint different waffle houses and you can

679
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: just once you know where the waffle houses are, then

680
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: you can tell anybody how to get anywhere. It's very

681
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: convenient reference point. But our point is who can guess

682
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: if it is indeed internal document? Who has the foresight

683
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: to say, thousands of years ago the old washers chamber?

684
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly where else would you put a washers chamber?

685
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: But in you know, in what I was saying this

686
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: last thing, you'd have to prove that the old washers

687
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: chamber existed somewhere near where the scroll was discovered, rather

688
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: than maybe where the scroll was written originally, you know,

689
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: the area that it's speaking to. It still makes you

690
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: know what It still makes me think though, of modern

691
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: English has ruined my understanding of these sorts of translations,

692
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: because in American English. Whenever somebody throws the phrase the

693
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: old in front of something, it sounds like a euphemism

694
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: old washes chamber, You know what I mean? Is this

695
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: some sort of strange metaphor for the old washes chamber?

696
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: Is that like a move? People? Do? I think it is? Well,

697
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: it sounds it does sound like a place. Maybe it

698
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: was just written by an old prospector maybe it was

699
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: written by the original foghorn Leghorn. But despite this vagueness,

700
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: people have insisted on searching. Why would you not? You

701
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: know you could be a part of one of the

702
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: greatest discoveries in in history, the Dead Sea Scrolls. Right

703
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two, we saw one of the largest,

704
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: most extensive hunts for the treasures of the Copper Scroll

705
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: was led by a man named John Allegro. He followed

706
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: some of the places listed in the scroll and did

707
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: their best. He and his team did their best to

708
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: figure out where they would be in the modern day.

709
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: They excavated a ton of potential burial places, but eventually

710
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: they gave up and they returned empty handed. There was

711
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: a more recent excavation or exploration attempt by a man

712
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: named Jim Barfield and Jim Barfield is interesting because he

713
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: doesn't he believes that the treasure was not actually gold

714
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: and silver. He believes that the primary quote unquote loot

715
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: of the treasure would be the vessels and utensils of

716
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: the Lost Temple. And so he did something interesting. He

717
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: applied triangulation techniques, right, he was he was kind of

718
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: cross referencing these ancient texts and the references that the

719
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: copper scroll made in different locations because they're all kind

720
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: of in the same area. So smart, right, yeah, absolutely,

721
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: it's very smart, and it's it's the way that I

722
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: would do it. And the reason why it's interesting that

723
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: this guy, Jim Barfield did it is because he he

724
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: doesn't speak Hebrew. He's not Jewish. Uh, He's just a

725
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: guy who's essentially like a treasure hunter or you know,

726
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: and someone with an interest in this who had some

727
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: time and resources and just used a technique that like

728
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: an investigator would use. Basically, um, really really cool stuff.

729
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: And so he he thinks he actually found some of

730
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: these locations in the surrounding area in in Kumaran. And

731
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: there's this breaking news Israel report which is it's not

732
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: I will give you that, but let's just let's just

733
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: give a quote from that that article about his investigation.

734
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: It says, quote, in two thousand seven, he Barfield went

735
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: to Kumaran and actually found those locations. In one case,

736
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: the scroll describes steps forty cubits long, heading east. Barfield

737
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: did indeed find stairs conforming to the description. He also

738
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: discovered the remains of a pool precisely forty cubits long,

739
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: exactly where the scroll said it would be. However, there

740
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: is always a twist here, a reason why we couldn't

741
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: fulfill what was going to occur finding all this treasure,

742
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: uh quote, but lacking government permission, he could go no further. Yeah, yea.

743
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: So those are the two most prominent expeditions, and they

744
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: both didn't produce anything that was universally agreed to be

745
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: the treasure. That's the best way to say it. Well, yeah,

746
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: and we humanity, at least to our knowledge that has

747
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: been recorded, has not recovered anything material right from many

748
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: of these right. I believe in one of Barfield's investigations

749
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: he found a rock that was provably man made. So

750
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: so his at this point, he's he's focusing on matching

751
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: up physical locations and structures or ruins and and so

752
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: he's not immediately going after gold because again he thinks

753
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: the treasure quote unquote is a different thing. But all this,

754
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: all this together is to listeners. You'll notice that the

755
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: last line from Barfield was he could go no further

756
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: because he lacked government permission. This brings us to the

757
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: possibility or the proposed possibility of a cover up, because

758
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: you see, there is no secret that there is a

759
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: war over history in the Middle East. Given the historical

760
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: tension and volatility of the region, the government has been

761
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: very careful about who they allowed to search this area

762
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: and when and how. You know what I mean, Like

763
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: if you bring in uh, potentially damaging equipment, you could

764
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: lose humanity's one shot to figure out some of the

765
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: mysteries here. I want to imagine that you're a treasure

766
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: hunter who doesn't live in the area, and you find

767
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: a treasure and you want to take it out of

768
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: that area, and you're going to go through customs or something,

769
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: or you know you're gonna claim that it is a treasure,

770
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: and you have to claim that it's a treasure in

771
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: order to establish where you found it, when you found it,

772
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: that you're the one that found it. How important it

773
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: is that it's real and authentic. You have to say that.

774
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: You have to raise your hand and say, hey, I

775
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: found treasure, unless you want to go into the illegal

776
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: black market. Yeah, I know, which is something you can do. However,

777
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: it's it's difficult because then you're getting things verified, you know,

778
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: after the fact, which is a whole it's a whole

779
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: different animal. I'm I'm big in black market, uh, antiquities.

780
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm always grateful that you're here when when we're doing

781
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: these shows, because you know, a lot of the a

782
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: lot of the lessons you've learned, you've learned the hard way.

783
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: I really have, Oh my goodness. But we can't get

784
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: into that for legal reasons. So let's just let's just say, um,

785
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: it would be difficult because if you you do find

786
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: something in this region, you is your hand and you

787
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: say hey, I found treasure, then there it's not just

788
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: going to be the local authorities, you know, that are

789
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: going to claim ownership over this, though it'll be academic

790
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: institutions in this case, will be religious institutions as well.

791
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: Barfield said that he believes he he he clearly believes

792
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: he was on the right track, and he clearly believes

793
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: he was being stymied in his search, but he thought

794
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: there was a good reason. He said, if he discovered

795
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 1: anything of value, it would lead to what I would

796
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: call a real ship show because we're we're family broadcasts. Uh.

797
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: And here's what he said. He says he predicted that

798
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: Jordan's would claim the land used to belong to them

799
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: if there was something of value discovered. He said, Palestinians

800
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: will claim they were here before this other group, so

801
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: that therefore they'll say whatever they found belongs to us,

802
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: and then the world will believe them. According to Barfield,

803
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: he says, you know, Egypt will come along and say

804
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: that there was a treasure that was taken from the

805
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: land of Egypt during the Exodus. And he says, ultimately

806
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: by keeping it in the ground, the Israeli government is

807
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: protecting it. It's a very interesting way to allege a

808
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: cover up. You know, it is certainly interesting. So I

809
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: don't know, should we do we need to get into

810
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: anything else, Ben, I just kind of wanna talk a

811
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: little bit about like what what you think personally about

812
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: this thing? Can we get into opinion? What I what

813
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: I think about the the treasure? Yeah, that the scrolls

814
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: like the treasure. What do you what do you think

815
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: it might still be out there? You really think so?

816
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: Quite possibly. I mean, it's it's possible that it was

817
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:59,479
Speaker 1: all looted. It's it's it's not plausible to assume that

818
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: all of these different locations survived. It is possible that

819
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: a few did, because the only way they would all

820
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: they would all have been found were if they were

821
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: eventually all sixty four were. First off, we're assuming all

822
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: sixty four actually exists, if all sixty four were found

823
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: one by one, or if somebody found that second, more

824
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: detailed document and then went through and somehow did all

825
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: of this in secret and it was forgotten. You know,

826
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: this is my This is what I put to you because, like,

827
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: I like what you're saying there. I think I think

828
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: that that copper scroll where it was found, was essentially

829
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: just discarded there or just left there for record keeping

830
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: at some point. Just we've got this collection of scrolls,

831
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: here's another one. It's just going to be there. Uh,

832
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: this is where it lives now because we've already used

833
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: it to find everything, we don't need it anymore. And

834
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: that second document, like you said, was kept by the

835
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: people that recovered all of the treasure because it was

836
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: I believe that it was from probably the Second Temple.

837
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: And you think it was an inside job, No, I

838
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: think I think it was just I think we essentially

839
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: got it's a receipt or it's the the old instructions

840
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: of like, okay, we've we've accomplished this, we've collected everything.

841
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: We don't need it anymore. We'll just leave those instructions there.

842
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter if anyone finds any of these very burial

843
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: places anymore, because we've already recovered everything. And then, yeah,

844
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: I could I could see that. I could definitely see that.

845
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: But I do like the idea that was an inside

846
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: job and that there were two documents, uh, two scrolls,

847
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: and then one person totally betrayed everybody it took the

848
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Speaker 1: second DiPT A doubt that. I doubt that's the case,

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Speaker 1: but it would make for it would make for a

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Speaker 1: compelling narrative. This is also taking We have to realize

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Speaker 1: too that anything of this age is it the value

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Speaker 1: we ascribed to it is only partially financial and it's

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Speaker 1: only a very all part of it. The real value

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Speaker 1: becomes uh, an historical value, and that's where we see

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Speaker 1: the import there. It can prove confirm or debunk things

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Speaker 1: that we believe about history today. And it could also

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Speaker 1: provide evidence of various various stories that have been traditionally told,

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Speaker 1: and that that treasure, any treasure, if discovered, would immediately

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Speaker 1: become significant in the in the war over history, you know,

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Speaker 1: the war over who gets what when and this you know,

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Speaker 1: this continues across the world, but the Middle East especially

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Speaker 1: has a it's such an ancient land. It's been home

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Speaker 1: to immense conflicts over historical claims, religious sites, who has

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Speaker 1: the right to go where, when and so on. As

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Speaker 1: of now, we're in a glass half full, half empty situation.

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Speaker 1: You can say that the treasure was looted long ago

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Speaker 1: and lost the time, or you, as you are listening,

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Speaker 1: maybe the person to discover the lost treasure of the

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Speaker 1: Dead Sea Copper Scroll. If you'd like to read more

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Speaker 1: of the Dead Sea Scrolls directly, then feel free to

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Speaker 1: drop by places like the Leon Levy Dead Sea Scrolls

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Speaker 1: Digital Library, which is digitizing the entire collection of nine

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Speaker 1: seventies something manuscripts and uploading them to the Internet for

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Speaker 1: global access. And there are books like the Complete Dead

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Speaker 1: Sea Scrolls in English that you can find um that

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Speaker 1: one was written. I believe it was Geza Verms v

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Speaker 1: r m E s Vermes. You can find something like that.

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Speaker 1: There's also the Dead Sea Scrolls Reappraisal. It's uh from

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Speaker 1: John Allegro, the one that been mentioned. You can find

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll just get some of the libation tubes.

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Speaker 1: I really did not know that libation tubes were meant

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Speaker 1: to pour liquid into a grave. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: did not know that. That's liban, man, it's tuban, liban, tuban,

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Speaker 1: but a libation tube. For me, it was just anything

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Speaker 1: you pour. I don't call it, all right, that's tubular,

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