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Speaker 1: Welcome to another of the Giants Little Podcast, a Rapid

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Speaker 1: Reaction edition, all brought to you by Citizens, the official

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Speaker 1: bank of the Giants. What are we rapid reactioning to. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Giants have made it official. They have signed John

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh to be the next head coach of the New

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Speaker 1: York Withoot Paul Giants to talk about it with me

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Speaker 1: is the one only voice of the Giants, Bob, Papa Bob.

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Speaker 1: A monumental day for the Giants today, and it feels

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Speaker 1: like the day they hired Tom Cofflin. It feels like

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Speaker 1: the day the Chiefs hired Andy Reid. They have their

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Speaker 1: next leader of the organization, no.

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Speaker 2: Doubt about it. John. I mean, this is exciting news

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Speaker 2: if you're a Giants fan. I think this is just

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Speaker 2: what the doctor ordered, right. I mean, the Giants have

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Speaker 2: tried with coordinators. New York's a tough place. Coordinators first

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Speaker 2: time head coaches, whether it's the Giants or the Jets,

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Speaker 2: have not been very successful. Right. So now you bring

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Speaker 2: a guy in been there, done there, done that, know how,

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Speaker 2: and he's going to walk in and stand in front

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Speaker 2: of the organization and then eventually the players and throw

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Speaker 2: a resume down This is a guy that in eighteen

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Speaker 2: years won sixty one percent of his regular season games

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Speaker 2: twelve playoff appearances in eighteen years. That means two out

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Speaker 2: of every three years his team is going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you take a look at his contemporaries,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Mike Tomlin, whether it is Mike McCarthy, whether

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Speaker 2: it's Sean Payton, whether it's John Harbaugh, they all have

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Speaker 2: like the same body of work. Guys have won sixty

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Speaker 2: percent of their regular season games. And what Harball has

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Speaker 2: in his back pocket that some of the others don't.

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Speaker 2: They're a winning record in the postseason, eleven, thirteen and

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Speaker 2: eleven in the postseason. But you know, we always talk

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Speaker 2: about the standard, and we've heard guys always come in

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Speaker 2: and talk about the standard. Well, here's a guy that's

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Speaker 2: not trying to follow a standard from somebody else. It's

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Speaker 2: got his own standard. And this is a win win

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Speaker 2: for the Giants and the fan.

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Speaker 1: Bay and Bob. The number that jumps out to me.

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Speaker 1: Six division titles in a division where you're going against

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers, right with Mike Tomlin and Ben Roethlisberger

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Speaker 1: for a large part of that very tough division. Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow in that division as well. Only three losing seasons

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Speaker 1: Bob in eighteen years with the Ravens and only one

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Speaker 1: season one season or he won fewer than eight games

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Speaker 1: in eighteen years. That's an amazing number. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have Tom Brady for all those eighteen years.

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Speaker 1: He transitioned from one quarterback to another, completely changed his

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Speaker 2: And when you talk about what just what the doctor ordered,

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Speaker 2: so to speak, I think the fact that he's not

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Speaker 2: coming in as an offensive guru, someone that has an

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Speaker 2: offense and a call sheet and everything else. He's not

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Speaker 2: coming in as a defensive guru. We all know his

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Speaker 2: history as a special teams coordinator, and he is the CEO.

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Speaker 2: He's the guy that sets the tone during the week.

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Speaker 2: He sets the tone and practices, he sets the tone

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Speaker 2: in the offseason, and he coaches everything. He manages everything.

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Speaker 2: And when you think about what's gone on with the

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Speaker 2: one of the problems, right, I mean, it's been one

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Speaker 2: but he was learning on the job. And I always

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Speaker 2: felt like the New York Giants, it's just different, right,

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Speaker 2: if you're in a big market and you're with a

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Speaker 2: the job in New York. Yeah, And in this situation,

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Speaker 2: the Giants of somebody that will not blink, you'll know

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Speaker 2: how to handle the media. I've only had small dealings

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Speaker 2: with him from my time at NFL Network at Super

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Speaker 2: Bowls and production meetings when I was doing the Thursday

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Speaker 2: Night Football and we had the Ravens straight years. He's

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Speaker 2: very gracious with his time, he's very thoughtful, he's got

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Speaker 2: tremendous leadership ability, he's a caring person, all those things.

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Speaker 2: But he's also the head football coach. And you know that,

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Speaker 2: and you know where the Lions are, and I think,

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Speaker 2: culture shock in the locker room. But you know what

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Speaker 2: he has on his resume, got a super Bowl championship,

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Speaker 1: And he did get to an AFC Championship game back

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Speaker 1: But by that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: And remember, remember something. I want to take you back

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Speaker 2: in time. If you remember when the Giants won Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl forty six in twenty eleven, the Ravens played the

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Speaker 2: that day. The Ravens outplayed the Patriots that day, but

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Speaker 2: there was a pass in the end zone at the

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Speaker 2: end of the game. Hey, listen, I give the defensive

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Speaker 2: player a lot of credit. He pulled on the receiver's arm,

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Speaker 2: but it's a ball that should have been caught. The

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Speaker 2: Ravens have the lead in the last minute of that game,

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Speaker 2: and then they missed the field goal thereafter or all

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl forty six could have easily been Giants Ravens

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Speaker 2: as opposed to Giants Patriots, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: And when he stands in front of these players, Bob,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be no misunderstanding of who has the

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Speaker 1: final say on what happens in the building. When John

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh stands in front of them, and that makes a difference. Right,

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Speaker 1: He's going to have his set of rules. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: the high standard, and it's easy to say high standard.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to have lived by that standard and

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Speaker 1: proven that standard works and show the players that there's

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Speaker 1: proof that the standard works. And he's going to stand

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Speaker 1: have to get with his system in his situation because

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Speaker 1: everyone knows that again, this is his building, and there's

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Speaker 1: a different feat when you walked in here and you

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Speaker 1: knew that Tom Cofflin was in charge, right, and of

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Speaker 1: course and everything had just I know, the old cliche

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Speaker 1: in and it's a different feeling when you know that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like when Tom Cofflin first came here,

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Speaker 2: as need be. But you know, at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, Coughlin walked in the door and he had

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Speaker 2: taken a franchise in Jacksonville that in year two was

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Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship.

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Speaker 1: And from not existing to year or two in the

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Speaker 2: And you know, knocking off the Denver Broncos in that

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Speaker 2: ground up. Tom Cofflin walked in the building with kred.

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Speaker 2: John Harball walks in the Bill bilding with cred, and

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Speaker 2: his cred is that he's actually won a super Bowl. Cofflin, Remember,

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Speaker 2: he hadn't won a Super Bowl. He had won one

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Speaker 2: as an assistant under Bill Parcells in Super Bowl twenty five.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean there's going to be a standard,

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Speaker 2: and there's not one player in this locker room that

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Speaker 2: his resume. It's not like it's a locker room filled

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Speaker 2: with a lot of guys that had won super Bowls

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Speaker 2: maybe here or elsewhere. Nobody has what he has. And

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Speaker 2: if you don't want to conform, there'll be a door

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Speaker 2: for you. Walk out of huddle up, get in here.

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Speaker 2: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

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Speaker 2: middle with at the score.

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Speaker 1: talk about what's next now that this is official. The

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Speaker 1: all important job of filling out the coaching staff and

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Speaker 1: when you have a CEO head coach who your coordinators

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Speaker 1: are become doubly and triplely important. So obviously there's a

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Speaker 1: long history of great defense in Baltimore. There will be

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Speaker 1: no shorters of defensive coaches that he has relationships with,

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Speaker 1: so he has a lot of history with coaches the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure will recommend the assistant coaches that are still

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Speaker 1: if he wants to retain those guys. We obviously love

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Speaker 2: Correct, And again, he doesn't come from a side of

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Speaker 2: going to set an agenda of what he wants New

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Speaker 2: And you know, as far as retaining staff members, right listen,

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Speaker 2: on a daily basis, And I'm he will not be

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Speaker 1: And remember, folks, whether he wants to hire somebody right away,

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Speaker 1: he's not allowed. The giants, John Arbo have to follow

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Speaker 1: So they'll go through the whole process and you'll decide

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Speaker 2: Job is, correct, right, And I know he's worked through

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Speaker 2: that already. He's starting to work through that already as

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Speaker 2: far as you know. Listen the back channels that go on,

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Speaker 2: is he's open to change. He's open to new ideas,

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Speaker 2: any walk of life, including professional football. So my guess

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Speaker 2: is he's going to interview some people that he probably

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Speaker 2: But maybe he's had to scheme against them, maybe he's

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Speaker 2: a chance to supersize it.

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Speaker 1: And that was my last question few on the roster,

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Speaker 1: because I think that has something to do with this too.

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Speaker 1: He would not have come here if he didn't think

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dark could be a franchise level quarterback.

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Speaker 2: No chance.

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Speaker 1: And then you throw in some of the defensive cornerstones

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Speaker 1: from his knee injury. There are enough pieces here and

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Speaker 1: credit goes to Joe Shane for this, and also Dave

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Speaker 1: Getleman before and Will put brought some of these pieces

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Speaker 1: into the contract extensions that they've put a good enough

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Speaker 1: foundation where John Harbaugh believes that the player's here. And

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Speaker 1: then the other part of this, Bob, We're going to

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Speaker 1: see him now form this roster in his image right,

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Speaker 1: players that maybe he had with him before that can

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Speaker 1: bring the culture with them for the organization. A giant

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Speaker 1: free agent Jermada Lumanoor played for him in Baltimore, someone

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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 2: Right where he first broke in exactly.

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Speaker 1: So how does this all come together now and how

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Speaker 1: does he know see the roster where does he think

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Speaker 1: there are needs? A big part of this with some

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Speaker 1: studying the roster and studying the tape last year to

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Speaker 1: see what he thinks this team needs and seeing how

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Speaker 1: he wants to construct the roster in conjunction with Joe

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Speaker 1: Shane in the front office, I think will be a

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Speaker 1: very fascinating thing over the course of the offseason. But

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Speaker 1: the Giants do have assets they can move money around

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Speaker 1: create some caps. Basically the fifth overall pick there is

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Speaker 1: an ability here to add to the roster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, And there's been some really insightful reporting

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Speaker 2: on this by Ian O'Connor, who has been absolutely brilliant

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Speaker 2: in all this because it's been very factual along the way.

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Speaker 2: But he's obviously has been very well sourced in all this.

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Speaker 2: But he had written something about before Harbaugh had even

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Speaker 2: been fired in Baltimore because he also got a sense

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Speaker 2: that maybe it is coming to an end. He was

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Speaker 2: looking at, you know, where it could be landing spots,

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Speaker 2: and according to the reporting that was out there, he

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Speaker 2: had already had his eye on the Giants. He had

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Speaker 2: already has his eye on a legacy organization, and you

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Speaker 2: know they have access to all the coaches taping their offices.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he looked at some stuff and I say, hey,

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Speaker 2: if this, if I'm out of here, that's a place

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Speaker 2: I want to zoom in on. So it's awesome, it's cool,

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Speaker 2: it's exciting, and it's what It's just what the doctor

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Speaker 2: ordered for this franchise at this point in time. Anything

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Speaker 2: else you want to say, No, it's I can't wait

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Speaker 2: for OTAs and training camp to start. Sometimes, are they

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Speaker 2: gonna be physical, physical, all within the rules. Of course,

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Speaker 2: within the rules.

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Speaker 1: But I was more referring to training camp, and then

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Speaker 1: Oka is obviously ot is you're living in no pants

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But it's gonna be fun. Walk camp will be fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be watched fun watching him assemble his staff,

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Speaker 2: see which direction the roster goes. Obviously he's gonna build

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Speaker 2: this roster in the image and likeness of what a

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Speaker 2: John Harbaugh team looks like.

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Speaker 1: And there's no more of a football guy and a

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Speaker 1: football coach than than the Harball is in John Harball.

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Speaker 1: Of course what of them. So it's also coaching family. Bob,

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Speaker 1: good stuff, my friend Jenny, Bobby Papa, Voice of the Giants,

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