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Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets

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Speaker 2: uf podcast.

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Speaker 1: Took a series from the Tigers. We'll take it.

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Speaker 2: Of course, couldn't sweep because in day games the Mets

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Speaker 2: are horrible this year, Absolutely terrible.

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, they're horrible. Their record in day games this

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Speaker 2: year is like shockingly bad. We're well below five hundred

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Speaker 2: at night. We're money during the day. Not so interested,

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Speaker 2: especially to end a series. So we didn't get the sweep,

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Speaker 2: but there's a lot of really good things to talk about,

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Speaker 2: specifically Noel McLain, specifically this offense. Again, we never doubted

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Speaker 2: Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes, never for a second weird

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Speaker 2: two game episode.

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Speaker 1: Because we technically did cover game one of this one.

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Speaker 2: We will briefly talk about that game as well as

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Speaker 2: a bigger conversation of the series. But that's why you're

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Speaker 2: here to hear about what happened in the previous two.

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Speaker 2: download and subscribe. James, we haven't done like a weird

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Speaker 2: little episode like this in a minute where there's not

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Speaker 2: that many games to actually talk about. But weirdly, there

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Speaker 2: is a ton of talk about in these last two

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Speaker 2: games because so much.

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Speaker 1: Happened, Yeah, in such two different games, between the absolute

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Speaker 1: offensive onslaught Tuesday night and then the kind of grind

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Speaker 1: it out, can't make this big play, can't do little

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Speaker 1: things with the Ryan Helsey blow up at the back

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Speaker 1: end Wednesday, I feel like, I do you want to

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Speaker 1: start on Wednesday, just because that's going to be the

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Speaker 1: strightest thing on people's minds, and we know that we

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Speaker 1: have just twenty five minutes to talk about Nolan McLain

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Speaker 1: towards like the back middle of this episode. But that

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Speaker 1: was one of the more frustrating games. I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: just actually, weirdly, no, that's not one of the more

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Speaker 1: frustrating games. Have flushed the modelin series out of my

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Speaker 1: brain and mentally it's like that series never happens. It

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Speaker 1: pretending it just didn't exist. That was one of the

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Speaker 1: more frustrating games in terms of little things the Mets

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Speaker 1: have done right a lot over the last few weeks

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Speaker 1: that they've been playing better, which is not being able

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Speaker 1: getting the few teeny tiny outs in the middle innings.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've been relatively good at getting lately.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Sodo giving up that hit to Riley Green

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Speaker 2: on a sinker low in the zone, but it was

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Speaker 2: It was a tough play for Lindor to make. I

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's a routine play by any means

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Speaker 2: at all. So it has to be better there. That

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Speaker 2: and then Starling Marte h into that double play where

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Speaker 2: I was surprised that carls Mendoza.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised because we know Mendoza loves Starling Martey,

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Speaker 2: and to be fair, Starling Marte has been awesome this year.

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Speaker 1: On the ground. I didn't even hate at all leaving

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Speaker 2: I guess Marte was fine, and Mendoza does go with

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Speaker 2: Deflating double play though, because we had them on the

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing though that was frustrating this game is

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Speaker 1: Ryan Helsey's now given up fourteen and runs and fourteen

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Speaker 2: Traded opening day way further last year, middle of last season,

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Speaker 2: it's fifty six appearances.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a full season. It's basically the full season

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Speaker 2: Well, Ryan Helsley last year sixty six innings, pitch fifteen

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Speaker 2: didn't hate the Spotmandoza put him in. It's a close game,

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Speaker 2: You just got to pitch. You gotta be sharp, and

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Speaker 2: he just can't get anybody out. They're spitting on every

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Speaker 1: Nobody is fooled.

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Speaker 2: He shook out Riley Green because Riley Green strikes out

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Speaker 2: If they make the core season, Ryan Hillsley does not

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Speaker 1: It's not even again if that, if that conversation were

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Speaker 1: everything I think after that he lost his mind. But

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Speaker 2: You got you gotta know what pitch is coming, because

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Speaker 2: Like those are ones that people should be chasing. And

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Speaker 2: you know what's crazy too is his pitches are moving

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Speaker 1: I lot a couple at bats with lind Orange scoring

436
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Speaker 1: position he didn't get to catch in. Guy can't be perfect,

437
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Speaker 1: which sucks, but he just can't be. It is just

438
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Speaker 1: sometimes you lose baseball games hardest we good, hard to

439
00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,120
Speaker 1: sweep any team, hard to sweep good teams, hard to

440
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Speaker 1: sweep good teams on the road. That's kind of what

441
00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:05,960
Speaker 1: this comes down to at the end of the day.

442
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Speaker 1: But you did feel like Hel's he maybe had built

443
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Speaker 1: up a teeny tiny, itty bitty bit of momentum with

444
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Speaker 1: his last outing, and in this one you just absolutely

445
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Speaker 1: get ridvolve it. And it's a forty percent ground ball

446
00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,120
Speaker 1: right with the Mets.

447
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,960
Speaker 2: So it's it's less, which, yeah, it's under it's probably

448
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,080
Speaker 2: about like an eight percent difference.

449
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Speaker 1: I don't know, that's not really it's probably that's probably

450
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Speaker 1: not that like indicative statistically, but it probably is visually.

451
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Speaker 1: I don't remember his last groundball. Does he has he

452
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Speaker 1: ever gotten one four percent? Somehow? The fifty percent in

453
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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago against the Tigers, I do

454
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Speaker 1: not remember. But yeah, God, yes, he's he's tough, Ryan Helsley.

455
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Speaker 2: It's it's the Ryans Mariyan Helsy Ryan Stanik is just

456
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Speaker 2: who's who of Like, how can we make this the

457
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Speaker 2: most unling.

458
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Speaker 1: In the world. Yeah, it's weird to throwing a hundred.

459
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Speaker 1: Remember that two years ago we were so upset this

460
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Speaker 1: team the year without Edwin Diaz and no one threw

461
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Speaker 1: a hundred. Yeah that we had like six hundred mile

462
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Speaker 1: pitches the whole year. Now we have all these hundred

463
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Speaker 1: mile to n our pitches and it can't get people

464
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Speaker 1: out of taking anybody out. It's a huge win for

465
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Speaker 1: the anti analytics crowd right there. The two host throwers

466
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Speaker 1: in his bullpen besides that, and Diaz just cannot get

467
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Speaker 1: people out.

468
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no timely hitting in this game. Bad bullpen, that's

469
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Speaker 2: why they lost. Tigers also have eighty wins. It's a

470
00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,800
Speaker 2: good baseball team. So like I'm like you said, Marlin's

471
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,760
Speaker 2: Gate Marlon series blanked it out, But fuck, god, damn it,

472
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Speaker 2: how the fuck do we lose that series like that?

473
00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,760
Speaker 2: This one was kind of just like Tiger Tiger's did

474
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Speaker 2: play better than us.

475
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Speaker 1: That's okay, that happens sometimes in a game. That's totally fine,

476
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Speaker 1: and also at the same time, giving the Tiger's credit

477
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Speaker 1: for being a good baseball team. I don't know if

478
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Speaker 1: we'll get any Tiger's listeners to this episode, but I'm

479
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,600
Speaker 1: they say something to you guys right now, you have

480
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,480
Speaker 1: no chance to go World Series. Will you will not

481
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Speaker 1: win the American League. Like it's obvious watching this team.

482
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Speaker 1: I'm not and that's not being saying anything that how

483
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,480
Speaker 1: far the Mets can go, how far the Mets can't go?

484
00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,360
Speaker 1: Watching this Tiger's team play baseball, I really think there's

485
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Speaker 1: no shot you.

486
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Speaker 2: Don't trust in Zach McKinstry getting at bats every day.

487
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Speaker 1: He's he's the least of the issues with this team.

488
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,320
Speaker 1: Zach mcintry plays good ball. But it's like Charlie watching

489
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Speaker 1: Jack Flaherty. Yeah, Jack Jack flaeryx starters. The second I

490
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,639
Speaker 1: saw Ryan Kelsey talking to Jack Flairity, I was like,

491
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,080
Speaker 1: that's a big problem. You gotta keep that guy away

492
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Speaker 1: from Jack flaherity. Jack floy is just just rubbing his

493
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Speaker 1: stink on to him. It's just watching this team. I

494
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,480
Speaker 1: know that they they're a fun story, but like this

495
00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,680
Speaker 1: is the classic Gale Central merchant, Like there's no way

496
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,080
Speaker 1: if there was one actual competitor in that division, like

497
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,399
Speaker 1: their playoff spot would be tenuous.

498
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the Royals are like getting hot and

499
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,720
Speaker 2: it's like at the wrong time. Tigers fans are like

500
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:13,720
Speaker 2: magic numbers fourteen.

501
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Speaker 1: I hope we can get there. I mean, what do

502
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,920
Speaker 1: you mean you hope you can get there? Who else

503
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,840
Speaker 1: is in the division? The whole the whole team just stink.

504
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,680
Speaker 1: There's four three teams that are they're not trying to win.

505
00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 1: The Tigers don't stink. This is the Classic. They're good.

506
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,119
Speaker 1: This class thing has happened with baseball, and they've expanded

507
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,479
Speaker 1: the playoff system. The Tigers are objectively a good baseball

508
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,480
Speaker 1: team relative to the other baseball teams in the league,

509
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 1: playoff team in the American League. Yeah, but just in

510
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Speaker 1: terms of the good teams in the league, the Tigers

511
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Speaker 1: are bad. They're like eighth or ninth. Yeah, of the

512
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Speaker 1: ten best team, the Tigers are like ninth of those ten. Yes,

513
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Speaker 1: that's kind. But I like the Tigers and I hope

514
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Speaker 1: they do. Oh, I hope they make it to the

515
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Speaker 1: World Series. I like the Tigers. I still think they

516
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Speaker 1: have a bright future. I love terrorf School. Well, thank

517
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 1: god we got to miss him in the series. But

518
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Speaker 1: at the same time I watched this team play, I'm

519
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Speaker 1: like this is. I don't know. If you guys are

520
00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 1: expecting a lot, you will be disappointed.

521
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Speaker 2: Yeah, switch it over to some positive stuff now, right

522
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Speaker 2: of course, Nolan McLain, I mean, Ol mcclan it. I

523
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Speaker 2: don't want to say because it's on the podcast, but

524
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Speaker 2: I want to say crazy things. So what do you

525
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,919
Speaker 2: think I should say? Should I be calm or should

526
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Speaker 2: I be should be obnoxious?

527
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Speaker 1: Be fifty percentile, be in between yourself. He's really fucking good.

528
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Speaker 1: Yeah he's sick.

529
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Speaker 2: He's really really, really good. Like I can't believe how

530
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Speaker 2: good he is. We knew he was good. I didn't

531
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Speaker 2: think he was this good. The fact that he had

532
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Speaker 2: that little scuff in the beginning, like a little bit

533
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Speaker 2: of trouble that I ran too early in this game,

534
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Speaker 2: and then he retired fourteen straight batters. You don't see

535
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Speaker 2: pictures in baseball do that often. Usually as they see

536
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Speaker 2: you more, it becomes easier to hit. As the game

537
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Speaker 2: went on longer. Noel McClain's like, oh, I got your number,

538
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Speaker 2: I figured you out. That's not how that works.

539
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Speaker 1: You do see pictures in baseball do this. You usually

540
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 1: don't see rookie pitchers in baseball do this. Besides, like

541
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Speaker 1: fucking Paul's Keens last year, not giving that comparison, but

542
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Speaker 1: this was probably since the debut at least the most

543
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Speaker 1: adversity and Nolan McLain had to face in an individual

544
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Speaker 1: start as a major leaguer like that first inning after

545
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Speaker 1: retiring the first two and still looking pretty gross doing

546
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: that again similar thread up pulling. He was very careful

547
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Speaker 1: to Kerry Carpenter, who's worth being careful with, and for

548
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Speaker 1: the first time in a few weeks, he was clearly

549
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Speaker 1: missing spots I think both a sweeper and the sinker.

550
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Speaker 1: That was his first walk since it started against the Mariners,

551
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Speaker 1: which is crazy. And then similarly careful with Ry. Riley Green,

552
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: while missing spots, walks him again, and then Spencer Torklsen

553
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Speaker 1: hits the single. But inn't that Riley Green at bad.

554
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Speaker 1: There was a sinker that he did nail a spot, Yes,

555
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Speaker 1: that was It looked like he was going to go

556
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Speaker 1: with the back foot, but then it's sad and low

557
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Speaker 1: inside corner. Luise Torrenzo early packed up and got out

558
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Speaker 1: of there, ready to be ready to go to the

559
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Speaker 1: dug out of the pitch was not called the strike,

560
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Speaker 1: which you know, tip your cap to the ump. You

561
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Speaker 1: don't give the rookie that boilerline call. Spencer Torkalsen muscles

562
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Speaker 1: out the single, and then when sel Perez hits a single,

563
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Speaker 1: interesting enough, I want to shout out that Wenzel Perez

564
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Speaker 1: single because went so wentz sorry went sel Perez single,

565
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Speaker 1: because he hit one hundred three miles an hour. There

566
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Speaker 1: was also the col Keith crumball start the game at

567
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Speaker 1: ninety eight miles an hour. Those with the two hardest

568
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Speaker 1: hit balls that while Nolan McLain was even struggling in

569
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Speaker 1: this game, that he allowed at all. There's a blend

570
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Speaker 1: of contact suppression and swinging miss stuff that we're watching

571
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Speaker 1: with Nolan McLain that is is not really in it's

572
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Speaker 1: small sample of his career. It's hard to find someone

573
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Speaker 1: else who can match that right now across Major League Baseball.

574
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Speaker 1: And that's kind of the thing that makes me just

575
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Speaker 1: the absolute most excited about him. Again, in this game,

576
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Speaker 1: only twelve balls in play, Eight of them were on

577
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Speaker 1: the ground I got, and three of them were hit hard.

578
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Speaker 2: I got a name for you, I texted you earlier.

579
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Speaker 2: He's like Spencer Schwellenbach, who's someone that we on this

580
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Speaker 2: podcast love as a pitcher. I know he's on the

581
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Speaker 2: braves love, but Spencer Swellenbach gets strikeouts, he doesn't walk anybody.

582
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Speaker 2: He gets a ton of ground balls. He has a

583
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Speaker 2: bunch of different pitches, really good breaking balls. He throws

584
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Speaker 2: a four seane more so than the sinker. Yeah, that

585
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Speaker 2: was gonna say, that's a big difference. But the archetype

586
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Speaker 2: of like how they get what's their bread and butter,

587
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Speaker 2: which is ground balls and limiting bas by not giving

588
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: up walks. It's very similar, very similar ages two guys

589
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: who were two way players.

590
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Speaker 1: The pair look the same.

591
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Speaker 2: The parallels to these guys are shocking outside of the

592
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Speaker 2: four sen versus the Sinker. But it feels like that,

593
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Speaker 2: like Spencer Schwellenbox is an awesome pitcher, and it feels

594
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Speaker 2: like we've got our own little Schwellenbach right now.

595
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Speaker 1: I think that there's there's enough difference as an archaeotype,

596
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Speaker 1: but I don't think I can compare. Honestly, I compare.

597
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Speaker 1: I think compare on the vibe and the ascent. I

598
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: think that all works and like maybe the end, I

599
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: think McLain's going to get many more ground balls than Schwellenbach.

600
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Speaker 1: I just don't I don't know Schwellenbock is gonna wind

601
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Speaker 1: up being a fifty percent ground ball guy because it's

602
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Speaker 1: just forty seven percent true. But I think there's a

603
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Speaker 1: big difference between like sixty and forty seven. Oh no,

604
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Speaker 1: I think sixty and forty seven. I thought you said fifty, No,

605
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Speaker 1: sixty seven, which I think, Yes, there's a shot that

606
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Speaker 1: McLain could get there because the way that sinker moves

607
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Speaker 1: like we're approaching turbo sinker levels with Nolan McClain, where

608
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Speaker 1: that pitch like kind of like you said, it darts

609
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Speaker 1: out and then it falls down like Nolan McLain sinker

610
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: drops more than almost every other sinker for a starting

611
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Speaker 1: pitcher in the league. It got it got oohs and

612
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: ohs from the Tiger's booth. Jason Bennetty was like, what

613
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: was that audibly he said that on television during their broadcast,

614
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: And again that's like the outlier pitch. Schwellenbox fastball is

615
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Speaker 1: not outlier, but the fast the philosophy bumps it up,

616
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Speaker 1: like the difference Bewe. McLain sitting ninety five is show

617
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: up like sitting ninety seven. That's a big difference too.

618
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Speaker 1: But I do think the fact that they can lean

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Speaker 1: on a fastball and get crazy stuff with that and

620
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Speaker 1: then mix the multiple other stuff off. That that's where

621
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Speaker 1: their similarities do lie. Yeah.

622
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Speaker 2: No, I just I'm so, so so excited to watch

623
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Speaker 2: Nolan McClain pitch every five days. It's it's almost like

624
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Speaker 2: unfathomable that he just got to this team like three

625
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: weeks ago. It doesn't even really make sense to me.

626
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Speaker 2: It's like, this is clearly one of the best pitchers

627
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Speaker 2: on this roster. Again, we know that changes were made

628
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Speaker 2: in the minor leagues, especially once he got a July

629
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Speaker 2: and August. Shit, not stressed that enough, but wow, thank

630
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: god for those changes, because holy shit, this is this

631
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Speaker 2: is a frontline starter.

632
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Speaker 1: No, this is Yes, it's starting to get to crazy

633
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Speaker 1: territory with how we're viewing Nolan McLain. And it's just

634
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: it's again, it's it's a ton of things that are

635
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: added together that make him this good. Like it is

636
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: the career sinkers, the crazy sweepers, the crazy curveball works

637
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: in the cover he's trying with a change up, like

638
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: the fastball is good enough when he sneaks it through,

639
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: like it's he has so many ways to beat you

640
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: like it is is plus movement on an entire array

641
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: of pitches, like he's throwing he's throwing six different pitches.

642
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: Well at the same time, I think, what's really fucking

643
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: up too about watching Noel McClain pitch And I don't

644
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: know if you felt this. I get fooled sometimes watching

645
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: him pitch. I don't know what pitch it's gonna be

646
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: based on where he's throwing it, Like everything feels like

647
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: it's in the exact same spot, and then it branches

648
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: off to different directions, which is such pitch tunneling we

649
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: saw pitching.

650
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: Ninja tweeted out a ton like he's obsessed with Noel

651
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: McLain and how could you not be if you've watched

652
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: him pitch. But like he throws sometimes it's a sinker

653
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: off the fastball and I'm like, oh shit, that was

654
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: a sinker on that pitch.

655
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: I thought that was gonna be a fastball.

656
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: Or sometimes it dives down to the back foot against

657
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: the left You're like, oh shit, a sweeper, a slider, Like,

658
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: how are you fooling me? Watching the game on TV

659
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: with that back angle? Imagine what it's like, Imagine how

660
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: comfortable it is to be a hitter to face him.

661
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of pitcher coaches talk about

662
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: like banana peel stuff. That was kind of what we've

663
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: talked about a lot when trying to like explain Schwellenbach.

664
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: But Clay does have that, but it's like a slightly

665
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: different angle banana, Like I think that's whole bar of it,

666
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: And it's just the way that he can work that stuff,

667
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: the way he avoids three ball counts, like it's it's

668
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: crazy to me that he just started pitching. That's the

669
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: craziest part, which is similar to Schwellenbach, where you just

670
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: kind of start pitching and then all of a sudden,

671
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: like you can pick up everything. Like that's something that

672
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: I know the Mariners guys like take a lot of

673
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: pride in Kirby and Kurby and Gilbert especially, like we're

674
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: good at learning pitches. We're really good going to a bullpen.

675
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: Bryce Miller too, He's like kind of the go that

676
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: this we're going good into the bullpen, feeling the ball,

677
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: finding our seams, and then being like now we have

678
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: a new pitch. Like it seems like McClain just has

679
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: that gift where he can pick that kind of stuff

680
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: up and then it's like from there, now I just

681
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: have fun. He's so good. Yeah, he's so good. I

682
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: just I can't believe how good he is. And this start,

683
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: I will again objectively say, I don't even think he

684
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: looked good. The only pitches that got multiple swings and

685
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: missus with the sinker in the fastball. None of the

686
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: secondary stuff got multiple swings. That missing. No, he kept

687
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: especially like armside.

688
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: He kept missing a lot of Armside earlier in the game,

689
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: where it was like trying to just like Nick the

690
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: outside corner to a lefty or inside to a righty.

691
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what he said when we got that

692
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: bite from him on the Show of two weeks ago,

693
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: after that first crew start where he was like, I

694
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: really want to make the misses more competitive. He wasn't

695
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: able to make the misses more competitive. He was not

696
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: getting around the sweeper in the curve ball and getting

697
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: the horizontal movement on them as consistently. And he was

698
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: still able to lean on the other stuff because there's

699
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: so much stuff that he has. When some things don't work,

700
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: there's another road for him to go down, there's another

701
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: alley for him to try and like it's it's it

702
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: continues to work, and it's it's fucking crazy this guy

703
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: was ever not on this team.

704
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: He's so good.

705
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: He's so good. I know I'm not giving a lot

706
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: of here, but I really am just kind of in

707
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: awe of how good he is. Yeah, and again nice

708
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: for the offense to also pick him up after not

709
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: again a relative struggles in the first inning, kind of

710
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: a teeny tiny bit two hard hit balls, one for

711
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: a hit and two walks that were all kind of

712
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: border line, but then just absolutely going ballistic in the

713
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: fourth and again the seventh crushing Shore Gibson along and

714
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: then tach who in Chris Paddock. It's funny to watch

715
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: Piolanza go after Chris Paddock this time in their careers

716
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: after like the famous Rookie of the Month battle in

717
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: April twenty nineteen. Also at the same time, who we

718
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: mean to Chris Paddick apparently had a very serious deth

719
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: the family recently, So definitely not going to pile on

720
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: the guy getting moved from the rotation to the bullpen,

721
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: and then also going through that emotionally batter for Chris Paddock. Again,

722
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: not going to pile on him, even though that was

723
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: kind of funny after six years later seeing that rivalry

724
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: get reborn with him Pi Alonzo Rivalrey and Air quotes

725
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: just nicely the office go ape good to one Sodo

726
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: and so is so good. He's so so good? What

727
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: are you mentioned? The last episode? And the numbers just.

728
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: Keep getting better, Like he's not gonna win the MVP,

729
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: but he probably is legitimately maybe the most viable player

730
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: in the National League.

731
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: He's probably he's probably definitely the second most valuable player

732
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: in the National League.

733
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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely the second of tany is still unbelievable, Like

734
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: his numbers are ridiculous, They're off the charts. He's even

735
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: hitting a little bit better than so though still yes,

736
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: still hitting a little bit better than Sodo. But since

737
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Speaker 2: June first, ever, since Soda found out he's not an

738
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: All Star game starter, he's been the best hitter in

739
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. Mister Kurtz of the A's is better,

740
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: but he's technically not qualified over the time. Still, but

741
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: mister Soto has like one thousand o ps since June first,

742
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: by far the best numbers, better than Aaron Judge, better

743
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: than Otani, better than cal Raley, the best hitter in

744
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: baseball since Besan Schwarber, better than Shwarber the best hitter.

745
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: Could you imagine going into the season if I were

746
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: to tell you that Shohotani might hit more home runs

747
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: than one so the one so the will steal twice

748
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: as many bass couldn't even couldn't even fathom what that

749
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: would feel like. One so tho was the most stolen

750
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: bases and all of baseball since the All Star Break,

751
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: the most sixteen It's it's shocking. And then when that

752
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: big rally in the fourth inning did start, it started

753
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: with the one so the walk and steal, and you

754
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: kind of saw Sawyer Gibson Long kind of get a

755
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: little bit tighter, a little bit quicker, having so the

756
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: one second him stealing the base didn't like exactly equate

757
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: to an extra run being scored. He probably would advance

758
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: on Chopper. That was it next anyway, but it was

759
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: clear that it got in Gibson Long's head immediately. And

760
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: the Tigers are one of the best teams in baseball

761
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: and suppressing stolen base this year. Dylan Dingler all shouting,

762
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: my fellow, shout out my buck eye very good behind

763
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: the plate and hitting pretty well and justin I'm gonna

764
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: swing at everything approach. It's kind of fun. He's trying

765
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: to be trying to be a new Alandre Kirk new

766
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: with new Salvadorberez. It is they're good at this. Hackers

767
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: are good the little things. They've kind of gone to

768
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: this spot in the season by being a little bit

769
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Brewers Ale Brewers style where it's like, yeah, aj aj

770
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Hinch that has these guys righty. They played good baseball.

771
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: They're insanely good and one run games unlik you saw

772
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: that SAT's twenty games over five hundred one run games,

773
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: which probably is statistically kind of bullshit, but against because

774
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: they they find ways to do these little things right consistently,

775
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: and we stole that will against them, and that was

776
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: the that was kind of the first domino falling to

777
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: get in gibson Longs head and kind of let that

778
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: avalanche happen. It's so nice to score run.

779
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: So the offense has been great, and if you follow

780
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: Eric Shavas on Instagram, you'll know he'll let you know

781
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: every single day how good the offense is now.

782
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: Doing, which credit to him.

783
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: We never doubted him. Good thing that we were always

784
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: the loudest support and Jeremy the right side of the history.

785
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: There's no clips of me specifically out there saying.

786
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Speaker 1: To fire him. No, definitely not. And another part of

787
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: this too is that BRANDONI will keeps having these crazy

788
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: games where even the game on Wednesday, like we kind

789
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: of clossed over the fact that he, him and Pee

790
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: Lonzo hit those laser beams to the outfield where Hoavier

791
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: Bias made a ridiculous catch in center field, the lights

792
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: out catch and went wentzil Perez also made a great

793
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: one in right field. Danny before that took runs off

794
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: the board or from Bait who talked about the Tigers

795
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: all the little things. Their outfield positioning is phenomenal. He

796
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: took away that extra bas it from Beaty. He was

797
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: standing in the right center field gap. If Baby pulled

798
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: the ball down the line, he might have gotten inside

799
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: the park home run. That's how far away he was

800
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: from it. Same thing with the Nimo line drive on Bias.

801
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: He was shaded so far over to left field, So

802
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: props to them. The scouting department did a killer job,

803
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: especially in the outfield, and a guy Javier Bias's probably

804
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: played center field since he was twelve years old less

805
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: than fewer than a hundred times, which as a baseball player, Yeah,

806
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: the jump he got, the jump he got in that ball.

807
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: That first step was lightning fast and was probably not

808
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: the most perfect round in the world, was like a

809
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: PCA round. But he was on that ball in a

810
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: second and that changed the game because that ball gets

811
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: over set two runs score and that rally is on

812
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: with nobody out, and who knows if frent Hell's even

813
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: comes in the game actually pars that home run. Yeah,

814
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: But going back to Nimo on Tuesday, he had the

815
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: hardest hit ball his major legue career hundred twelve point

816
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: two miles power, and he chipped in two more balls

817
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: that hit over one hundred and ten miles power in

818
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: that game. With five hard hit balls on the deck,

819
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: it was he's dummy locked in right now at the plate.

820
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny to watch his total transformation

821
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: from the all around player Brandon Nemo to now being

822
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: like a power hitting corner outfield er brand Nemo, where

823
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: if we can get like a thirty homer, eight hundred opscs,

824
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: now the Brand Nemo, Like that's our Kerry Carpenter who

825
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: actually doesn't have any splits to can play the outfield.

826
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nimo's OPS is creeping its way back up to

827
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: eight hundred, which is about the career average for him.

828
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: If Nimo is that player, Boyle boy is he's so

829
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: valuable when he's the seven to twenty sixth player like

830
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: it was last year, Like ah shit, you can't really

831
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: hit fourth on this.

832
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: Team totally and again create other good games in series

833
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: from Viento's form McNeil from Bailey, the guys who've really

834
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: led to charge the bomb and the other Luis turns

835
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: with a great home run directly up the foul ball

836
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: and just a PSA the Mets fans does rampant disrespect

837
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: happening right nowt Cedric Mallins, I know he hasn't performed

838
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: like a star, not even close to that since we

839
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: got him here, but that's also not who he is.

840
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: He was meant to be kind of like something we're

841
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: between the eighth and ninth man, which you're kind of

842
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: seeing right now, and like a very strong side of

843
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: a platoon. I didn't really love him not being in

844
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: the lineup in the Clay Holmes game the day after

845
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: game after the night game, but also at the same time.

846
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: You saw a visible frustration in a lot of his

847
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: play appearances that he didn't reach base in the game

848
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: on Tuesday when he hit that sack fly right before

849
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: the Trends home run, that ball looked like it was

850
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: way out. I will know how that ball died in

851
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: the outfield. And then he drew a walk. I think

852
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: they had bat before that. And the next one he

853
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: swung amisto the few pitches with guys on base, and

854
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: you saw him kind of give himself like a grit

855
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: shout snatch at his bat like you're you're seeing a

856
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: wear on him. And he made a really nice catch

857
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: the other day. To say a run like Cedric Mallins

858
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: is doing a teeny tiny bit worse than was expected

859
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: of him, and I think that there needs to be

860
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: a bit of a break given to him up for that. Yeah,

861
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: I'll say this like, I mean, Tyrone's hurt.

862
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: Obviously he's on the il, which sucks because he's actually

863
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: been scalding hot.

864
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: Which is great. I see he gonna be back like

865
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: next week.

866
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: That felt that felt like the uh, you know, the

867
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: little warm up to get him on there. But at

868
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: the same time, as bad as Cedric Mowones has been

869
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: He's technically still been.

870
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: A lot better than Tyrone Taylor offensively, so totally. Again,

871
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: it's all about framing those expectations similar at the same time,

872
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be the second one. There's gonna be

873
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: a third one. We have to have the conversation with

874
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: Clay Holmes. I know it's not really that privy or

875
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: that comfortable. He did fall apart, not a little bit

876
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: before that fifth inning, but just the fact that again

877
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through season where Clay Holmes is up

878
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: to how many total innings pitch here? I got them

879
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: pulled up right now in the second thirty it's a

880
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and fifty one to two thirds innings

881
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: pitched on the season with a three point six y

882
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: one ERA. That would be if you would have told

883
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: me that for thirteen million dollars when we signed him

884
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: in the offseason, I would have been like, where the

885
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: fuck do I sign? Because that is phenomenal.

886
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: I know.

887
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: Again, Star then started out, it doesn't feel that nice.

888
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: What the projections are gonna say about Clay Holmes next year,

889
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: probably not gonna be through six cra probably close to

890
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: the four. But in terms of what we've actually gotten

891
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: production wise on the field from his starts, like it's

892
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: been a resounding success.

893
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in those moments like you can literally pinpoint

894
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: when it's gonna happen, it's the walks. He just for

895
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: a guy who pitches the contact as much as he does,

896
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: the walks are the killer for him. So as long

897
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: as he just throws more strikes, he's going to be okay.

898
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: Every time run score it feels like it's because there's

899
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: guys on base from walks. And do you remember the

900
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: home run barged against Clay Holmes through basically all of

901
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: May in June. Wasn't gonna say anything. I just want

902
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: to mention the fact that statistical speaks they brought up

903
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: in the broadcast, Gary the king of Jens's it's been

904
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: it's one total home run the second half and one

905
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: total home run in his last about seventy And.

906
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: That's probably just because I'm supers throw a little more sinkers.

907
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: If I had to guess, I think he's just locating

908
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: that more. A couple more change ups to the lefties

909
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: as well.

910
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: It's a change ups in this game. This was a

911
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: great with start for Clayhomes, he's got eleven spings and

912
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: misses like yet I think six strikeouts in nest start

913
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: as well, Yes, six strikeouts. It was again it's framing

914
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: expectations with Clay Holmes, just understanding at this point seventy

915
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: five to ninety pitch guy, that's great. And the Mets

916
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: did not lose the game because of Clay Holmes, definitely not.

917
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: Clay Holmes did put them in many positions to win.

918
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: Yes, if you give up three runs in four and

919
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: two thirds or even that's a winnable game for this team.

920
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: All right.

921
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: I think that's gonna put a nice little bow on

922
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: the Tiger series, which also then leads us to our

923
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: Draft Kings player spotlight as we look ahead to the

924
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds series, James, We've got David Peterson going on

925
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: the bump, and I think he's got to be the

926
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: player spotlight right now.

927
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Truthfully, the spotlight is on him.

928
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: While Jonah Tong and Noel McLain are the guys getting

929
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: all the love, all the praise right now, David Peterson

930
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: is the game one starter for this team.

931
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: He is the work course of this rotation.

932
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: He is the so quote unquote as of this rotation

933
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 2: right now with Kodai Sanga and Shoum and I are struggling,

934
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: Peterson is a de facto number one starter. Also shout

935
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: out it's his birthday today on the day that we're

936
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: recording this September third Big for the DraftKings Player spotlight.

937
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: How do we feel about him going into Cincinnati and pitching.

938
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: We have to try to feel good about it, right yeah,

939
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: because we've had a couple bad Dave Peterson stars lately.

940
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: The Mets have reshuffled their rotation to put Peterson starting

941
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: on Friday ahead of Jonah Tong after Jonah Tong pitched

942
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: ahead of David Peterson last weekend series against the Marlins.

943
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: This is what you do this time of the year.

944
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: He resheff for your rotation and try and get your

945
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: best pictures on the mound. More when you can win,

946
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: it's still inadequate. Rest a lot in his shoulders. We

947
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: have to set the tone for this series if you can. Basically,

948
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: if you could win two games in Cincinnati, you kind

949
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: of end the wild card race. You can win one game,

950
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: you at least leave feeling good. You have to set

951
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: the tone with a game one win. You have to

952
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: make sure you could save this bullpen, especially after the

953
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 1: off day we're getting on Thursday. A lot is riding

954
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: on David peason shoulders. I would be looking for David

955
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: Peterson outsped because, like I said last episode, we're in

956
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: the chatt in things either most for David Peterson. I'm

957
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: assuming that line would be seventeen and a half, exactly

958
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: what I was thinking, And I think that's something that

959
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: I would I would with my heart, but you would

960
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: like I wanted this go over because that's I think

961
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: the Met's need those eighteen hows from David Peterson to

962
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: open up that series. And since and also David Pearson

963
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: only threw sixty five pitches against the Marlins. Again, it

964
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: was horrible, but that was a quick hook that was

965
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: two winnings because he was so terrible, only sixty five pitches.

966
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: That arm's fresh. I think he's gonna be ready to go.

967
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: I think that's part of the reason why they were

968
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: able to move him up in this rotation as well

969
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: with the reshuffling. I know there was an off day,

970
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: but he didn't need as much time because he didn't

971
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: pitch a full game. I like the strikeouts for David

972
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: Peterson before this Marlin start for a team that doesn't

973
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: really strike out that much. To the Marlins, they put

974
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: the ball in play a lot eight ten, five seven

975
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: strikeouts in the month of August. He faced the Reds

976
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 2: back in July. In July, struck out four over six innings.

977
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm imagine that line is going to be four and

978
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: a half.

979
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: I like the over. If it's anything over, I'd probably

980
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: take it out five and a half.

981
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, he justight he struck out one coming

982
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: off of a horrible start in that ballpark. Who knows,

983
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: but yeah, and Elie de la Cruz has to hit righty,

984
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: So that's something to keep note of as well.

985
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,160
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Speaker 2: All right, let's finish up that Cincinnati Read's series preview.

1002
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: You told us who's on the bump for us? We

1003
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: know Sunday's up in the air. Who are the Reds

1004
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: going with in this series?

1005
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna wind up taking Pat spend a good

1006
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: bit this talking about the fact that Sunday's up in

1007
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: the air and the Koda I sanga drama in this series.

1008
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: Treview but projected stars this series again, guys, be aware

1009
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: six forty star times on Friday and Saturday a bit earlier.

1010
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: Make sure in front of your television that six forty

1011
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: start time. David Peterson versus Andrew Abbott, Lefty off Saturday,

1012
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: jonah Than against Brady Singer, and then the Sunday Mattinee

1013
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: Hunter Green against blank.

1014
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: And that could be Code I Sanga that food doesn't

1015
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: feel like it will be doesn't feel like it, and

1016
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: we do know that Code I. We want him on

1017
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: longer rest. The normal rest doesn't work for Code I.

1018
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: It's not particularly looked great, especially for a guy who

1019
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: seems to be struggling with mechanics not having the same

1020
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: amount of juice.

1021
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: Could be Brandon sprot and I don't necessarily hate that either,

1022
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: but I also don't love it because it's such a

1023
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: hitter friendly ballpark, and that lineup does have some good

1024
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: hitters right now, especially with guys like Elie de la

1025
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: Cruz and Uelvi Marte hitting the ball so well. Maybe

1026
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: not the best place to make a debut for a

1027
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: guy who's not striking out the world, probably at the

1028
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: major league level.

1029
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a chance that we see the

1030
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: pig possibly the debut of the Shaum, and I a

1031
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: Tyler McGill piggyback in that start as well, because that

1032
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: will be maniac. He essentially pitched on Monday on six

1033
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: days on the sixth day, five days of rest, and

1034
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: Tyler McGill made his most recent rehab start on Tuesday,

1035
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: throwing five innings I think of something like ninety pitches,

1036
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: so he would be on the fifth day, four days

1037
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: of rest, which is normal, a normal pitching rotation, but

1038
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: we could perceive as normal, so I don't. Ironestly, I

1039
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: don't know what they're going to do. I think it's

1040
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: interesting that that's the day the Hunting Greens pitching for

1041
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: the Reds by far the best pitcher on this team.

1042
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: A blessing, such a blessing. We're missing Nickelodolo, the Mets

1043
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: killer in this game, in this game and series, but

1044
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: it's interesting that one we had the Joona to Tonk

1045
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: David Peterson's swap. I do like the fact that Joan

1046
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: Tounk doesn't have all the pressure leading this series. I

1047
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: like giving that to the veteran Peterson, but to your series,

1048
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: there's no other way. It's like this huge series where

1049
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: we don't know because the Reds haven't played their game yet,

1050
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: we're going to either four or five games up on

1051
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: them heading into the series. They kind of half punted

1052
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: a game in the rost recent Blue Jay series they

1053
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: played going with a bullpen game that had Brent Souther,

1054
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: Zachary Maxwell, Scott Barlow, O'Connor Phillips and Revy San Martinz

1055
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: throwing the bulk of the pitches like it's they know

1056
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: how important this Mets series is. They know it's basically

1057
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: their entire season. This year's at home against US.

1058
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: Going to be playoff baseball, which is kind of kind

1059
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: of electric as a baseball fan, as a Mets fan,

1060
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: it's like Police, just you gotta win two a three,

1061
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: like you said, have to.

1062
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: Absolutely bona fide, must have to do that. But at

1063
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: the same time, it's very weird with this core that's

1064
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: saying a dark cloud hanging over the series. I have

1065
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: to be honest, it does feel weird.

1066
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: I mean again, the comments he made after his last

1067
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: start were so bizarre, and this is not the first.

1068
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: Time that every comment he's made in the last eight

1069
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: months has been so I was gonna say, it's not.

1070
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: The first time that we've heard this on Foul Territory

1071
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: Tory this week and spoke about it. I'm like, I

1072
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: don't think he has confidence in himself. It feels like

1073
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: there's something off and I don't know what it is.

1074
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: And I don't know if maybe it's a translation issue,

1075
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, Maybe it's like the wording of translating

1076
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: it from Japanese English. But there's a weird feeling. And

1077
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: then we've also watched them pitch and it's been weird

1078
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: because it's not been very good.

1079
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: And shout out with Tim Healy former Newsday rather current

1080
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: Boston Globe rather for kind of scooping this Coli weirdness

1081
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: with us and our would used to be the annual

1082
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: Tim Healey Spring Training Hour with the Mets, the podcast.

1083
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: Maybe he still we'll come back, who knows, maybe we'll

1084
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: talk a little Mets. I don't know what the possibly

1085
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: have to say about a team he doesn't cover, but

1086
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: it here with just hang out with Tim Healy. He

1087
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: basically was like he's just saying we'd things ex acting weird.

1088
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: He's not throwing yet it did seem like this whole

1089
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: thing got off weird, Like maybe the way the playoffs

1090
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: went last year were kind of weird. Maybe there was

1091
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: just kind of some schism in the relationship at some point.

1092
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: It's hard to really tell. We always talked about the

1093
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: the the option that was the besting option that wasn't

1094
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: able to be exercised. He didn't have enough innings. Maybe

1095
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: there was some bad blove about that. We don't really know,

1096
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: because it does feel like this relationship isn't as good

1097
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: right now. And also at the same time, this is

1098
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: like this was a thirteen million dollar picture. A lot

1099
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: of times the market is very aware of what these

1100
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: players are and we were like, this is the best

1101
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: deal on earth. Usually the deals are as advertised as

1102
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: how like, I think like ninety five percent of these

1103
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: baseball deals work because there's so much group thinking the

1104
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: sea word that's not actually happening, but it might be.

1105
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: You never know.

1106
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: It's it's just it feels weird right now. The fact

1107
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: that he also has a clause in his contract that

1108
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: he needs to approve for the motion is also weird

1109
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: because the money is guaranteed. The whole thing is very strong.

1110
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: I mean, he doesn't want to go to Syracuse, that's

1111
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: really all that is. So of course he does want

1112
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: to be like Roki Sasaki and be like, I'm in

1113
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City.

1114
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: What the fuck?

1115
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: I came to the Dodgers because I was on the

1116
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: West Coast. Now I'm I live in Oklahoma City.

1117
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: What the fuck? There's tornadoes here throwing ninety four miles

1118
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: an hour. Save Roki, But I can't get past how

1119
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: weird the vibes are and how weird the vibes have been,

1120
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: And it's my confidence level in getting a good version

1121
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: of code I sanka at any point this season is

1122
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: diminishing rapidly.

1123
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't feel confident. I definitely don't.

1124
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: I spoke about, like, you know, playoff series.

1125
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: He does.

1126
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: He's not a guy I feel confident in being a

1127
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: starter right now and on the roster though, Yeah, on

1128
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: the roster it's feeling weird. I think he still is

1129
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 2: on the roster. I don't think we're there just yet,

1130
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: but he needs to pitch better if he.

1131
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: Might not be in the major league roster in a

1132
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: couple of days, they've requested him to go off the

1133
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: major league roster. Yeah, I don't know.

1134
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: I'd be probably gonna say no, definitely. But is that

1135
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: visual that they have requested him to go down. Mendoza

1136
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: mentioned it, he like alluded to it, and there was

1137
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: a report that came out from the Beat that we're

1138
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: going to have a decision from him about the demotion.

1139
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: It seems like they'd like to do it. It's also

1140
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: definitely clears up the roster for them.

1141
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, of course it makes it a lasier, but

1142
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: I think it's also weird again kind of thinking about

1143
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: why I think the relationship might be in a weird spot.

1144
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: That Mendoza spoke very contritely about it in a press conference.

1145
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: That's weird for the manager to say kinds.

1146
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there's some frustration when one of

1147
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: the pictures that you were relying on is talking about

1148
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: all these tweaks and problems that he has, and it

1149
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: seems like these are this is news to them moment

1150
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: most at times when he says.

1151
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: It is, it is oddly a dark cloud where if

1152
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: this thing was going to even sixty five percent of

1153
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: what he was back back when twenty twenty three team

1154
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 1: is like five more wins, right, oh yeah, one hundred percent.

1155
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: He's he's been horrible in the second half. It's been

1156
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: dreadfully bad. And I do wonder now if this is

1157
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: finally the moment that we get creative with the pitches

1158
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: that we're using. The other thing's gonna happen.

1159
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: Never until until I see it, I don't believe it,

1160
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: but boy would I love to see it.

1161
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: I want College World Series style three innings of pop

1162
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: everyone locks arms with one other guy we're starting this

1163
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: game together Tyler McGill and Sean and I got me Alan.

1164
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean, now, who's pay these guys up is it's

1165
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: it's gut punch time. Not to look ahead from this

1166
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: Red series because it's so important.

1167
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: Don't do it.

1168
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: But at we do, oddly have a series with every

1169
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: single team where ins w rerec competition with the rest

1170
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: of the season. It's not the many series left, but

1171
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: we have Reds, Phillies, Cubs, Padres, all of them.

1172
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a we have a tough schedule. That's

1173
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: why it's imperative to win. These takes a minimum two

1174
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: of three. Boy oh boy, would I love to take

1175
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: three and say all right, to set it and forget it.

1176
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: I think we're good guys like that would be It'd

1177
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: be really fun. But I'm not gonna get greedy. We're

1178
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: Mets fans.

1179
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: We know not to be like that.

1180
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 5: We're throwing a curveball at you this week for our

1181
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 5: Arena Club segment. As AJ has opened up a Pokemon

1182
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 5: slap pack.

1183
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: Did you say it?

1184
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 5: Pokemon, flatman? Pokemon? Don't ask me to say what that

1185
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 5: card is, but we're doing with that card. I already

1186
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 5: sold it back baby.

1187
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: I bought it, and then I got more money than

1188
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: I paid for the pack, so I sold us straight back.

1189
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 5: You bought it for, you sold it for, and you

1190
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 5: can go get yourself something that you maybe know how

1191
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 5: to pronounce, Yes, what it is?

1192
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: I said it because I saw certain people open in

1193
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Pokemon and they were making money, and guess what I got.

1194
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: Lucky made money off of.

1195
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 5: It too, exactly. But of course, if you're into sports cards,

1196
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 5: that is something that you can find a ton of

1197
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 5: on the Arena Club marketplace. By sell slab pack trade

1198
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 5: twenty percent off your first slap pack or card purchase

1199
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 5: can be had at Arena club dot com. Slash foul

1200
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 5: and use the code foul. That's Arena club dot com

1201
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 5: slash foul and use code f o U L.

1202
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: We should probably actually preview the Red Series now, I

1203
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: mean you told us the matchups. Yeah, I mean talk

1204
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: about the guys. We gotta talk about the guys in

1205
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: the scene play.

1206
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: We played them like two weeks ago. We played them

1207
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: two months ago, September. Yeah, yeah, that was that was

1208
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: a David Right weekend. That was a very long time.

1209
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: This entire season, the second half is all mushed together.

1210
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: One thing we will say, though, that's a fucking swing

1211
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: in it. So in that ballpark, the way we've been hitting,

1212
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: I feel good if we're gonna hit all those sum

1213
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: runs in Detroit to continue to do that in Cincinnati, Yeah,

1214
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: sadcast does like the how many how many home runs

1215
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: this player would hit if all their bad balls were

1216
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: hitting this ballpark? One and so though he would go

1217
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: from thirty seven home runs to forty seven home runs

1218
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: if every bath thet ball happened in Great American Ballpark the.

1219
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: Season forty, that's ten more. That's crazy. It's a bambos.

1220
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: I think so much about the twenty twenty one series

1221
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati and how absolutely Chay Kevin Pollar, who's yours

1222
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: to teach again, Trevor Mace Trevor Maser is, Yeah, tweet was.

1223
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: Whoever gets to save in this game or whatever it is,

1224
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy their jerseys, Anthony Bandas until Trevor May got.

1225
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: Just even thinking about some of the pitchers in the series. Again,

1226
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: we have Andrew Abbot, who is I think Mark and

1227
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: I both agreed that he's probably one of the most

1228
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: overrated players in baseball right now. He will let you

1229
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: hit fly balls, he's one of the lowest ground ball

1230
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: rates in the league, and he pitches one of the

1231
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: best places for hitters hit fly balls in all baseball.

1232
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: It's all weird stuff. He gets kind of weird movement

1233
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: on everything, so a lot of guys wind up just

1234
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: swinging under stuff and hitting lazier fly balls rather than

1235
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: really driving them. It's one though, where you just got

1236
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: a hunt. Like maybe the reason he's so good is

1237
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: because hitters get greedy they try to swing for the fences.

1238
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: I still fuck it if that. I'll take the bait

1239
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: on that one too. Swing of defense on Andrew Abbot

1240
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: because there's just I know there's blow ups in that.

1241
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 2: That would have been a fun player Spyler could take

1242
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 2: the over earned runs on Andrew Abbit.

1243
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we turned the players spotlight into hate. That's a

1244
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: fun twist. Yeah, maybe we could do that. Well maybe

1245
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: well run it up the chain. But then otherwise, also,

1246
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: Brady Singer, he's junk, junk, junk. It's just you're getting

1247
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: so many sinkers and slid there's like it's I won't

1248
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: say it's uncomfortable at bat. He was also on that

1249
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: same Florida the team with Pee, Lonzo and Harrison Bata

1250
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: that we always hear so much about that Florida the

1251
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: Gators team. You just got to get past that junk,

1252
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: especially for the righties, which we're gonna stack lamb rights

1253
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: that day, so we can't really use that dub the

1254
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: sinker in the Slyther. It's just you're still getting ninety

1255
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: percent of the pitches. You're going to see our sinker slides.

1256
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: This weep got a funny Brady Singer story for you.

1257
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: Wit Mayfield's got a podcast out because everybody does, but

1258
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: shout Whitmerfield go Cox. He talks about how Brady Singer

1259
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: when they were teammates on the Royals. He's like, I

1260
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: love Brady Singer, but that guy is an idiot, like

1261
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: one of the dumbest people he's ever met. He was like,

1262
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: he's never been to Canada. He didn't know anything. He's

1263
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: from a small town in Florida. Goes, we go to

1264
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: Canada to play the Blue Jays for the first time ever,

1265
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: and we tell him that Canadian money is called canad

1266
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: Do and that instead of doing handshakes, you do salutes

1267
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: in Canada.

1268
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: He goes.

1269
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: So the first thing he does, he goes to the

1270
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: traveling secretary secretary and says, I need Canada, and they

1271
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: were like, what the fuck are you talking about? He

1272
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: goes and then the bell hop when he brings the

1273
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 2: bags up to the room, the guy goes for a handshake.

1274
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: He salutes them and what are you looking at?

1275
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: Like?

1276
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: What is going on? So fun Birdy Cigar story sounds

1277
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: like a great teammate, sounds like a good dude. That's

1278
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: kind of sick because also another player in the team.

1279
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: I really want to shout out of the picture. I

1280
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: think you know what I'm gonna go with this. I

1281
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have heard of Zachary Big

1282
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: Sugar Maxwell, but you probably hear his name of the

1283
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: first time on this podcast in January when we were

1284
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: doing projecting the Mets roster in five years and I

1285
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna pick my favorite lever triple A

1286
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: and put them on the Mets in two thousand and thirty,

1287
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: and it was Zachary Maxwell. Because this guy is he's

1288
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: six six, like two hundred and eighty pounds. He throws

1289
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour. It's also funny Sugar and

1290
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: Big Sugar him and Edwin Diaz. It's unreal what this

1291
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: guy can do. He in like one fell swoop has

1292
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: just single handley saved this reds bullpen. It feels like

1293
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: he's going to be the closer any second now because

1294
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: the stuff is that said, you.

1295
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: Don't think that uh Amelia Pagan and Tony Santian are

1296
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: gonna hold it down.

1297
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: If they make a run. I will say those guys

1298
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: have been kind of nice this year, Like I won't

1299
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: I really won't take anything away from how they've performed.

1300
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: But again, it is kind of funny having like the

1301
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: the beefy brothers of Zach Big Sugar Maxwell and Tony

1302
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: Santian coming at you like that's that's like real old

1303
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: school reliever shit. But zachar Maxwell throw was one hundred

1304
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: mile nour bebies like it is crazy fastballs. It's kind

1305
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: of thing where they also might be a little frustrated.

1306
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: Why was this guy up before this? I saw a

1307
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: good tweet.

1308
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: I don't know who was by It might be h

1309
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: and that's baseball baseball YouTuber. He was like, I love

1310
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: when old players talk about like just get hits. He's

1311
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: like Zach Maxwell like would be the greatest pitcher of

1312
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: all time if he pitched in the forties, like, don't

1313
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: get seventies, Like, don't give me that. Everybody is Zachary

1314
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: Maxwell now they all throw one hundred.

1315
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, he threw. He threw an inning in two thirds

1316
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: in that game against the bullpen game they have on

1317
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: Tuesday against the Blue Jayson, I took them seventeen pitches

1318
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: and he gave up two hits. Good ball player, he's

1319
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: overpowering stuff.

1320
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: I also want to shout Sal Stewart. He got called

1321
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: up recently made his debut on the first of September.

1322
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: South Stewart is a ballplayer. Good Paison.

1323
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 1: I feel like south Stewart. He is the Paison look,

1324
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,959
Speaker 1: but not the pithon names. Like you're gonna see South Stewart.

1325
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: You see like the eyebrows and the dark hair. You're

1326
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: like that guy's definitely a talent, could be he could

1327
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: be one of my cousins. I really wouldn't even think twice.

1328
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: And he's also kind of encroaching on the playing time

1329
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: of both Matt McClain and Spencer Steer, as those guys

1330
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: that both had just such disappointing seasons with the bat

1331
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: and Steers never found defensive home, while oddly key Brian

1332
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: Hayes came over the trade deadline has steady third base

1333
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: for the Reds, hitting actually for the first time in

1334
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: his career. The Pirates oregan played bad. Where have we

1335
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: seen this? Or and played better? Where have we seen

1336
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: this one before?

1337
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 3: Hm?

1338
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: Where can I think again? Even in terms of sad

1339
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: trades among NL Central teams, which there's a long roll decks,

1340
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: including the Cubs giving Cody Bellinger away for nothing this offseason,

1341
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 1: the Pirates salary dumping Key Brian Hayes to a team

1342
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: in their division with an owner who's one of the

1343
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: only owners in the league with less money than Bob

1344
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: Nothing was as embarrassing as it gets as a trade

1345
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: deadline deal. And Key Brian Hayes now looks like an

1346
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: actual play Yeah, he looks really good. He's obviously a

1347
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: wizard at third base. Defensively sensational again like that SALSTU

1348
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: were kind of getting them some offense because they do

1349
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: some good defense in the infield. I know Eli de

1350
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: la Cruz always races well defensively because he gets to everything,

1351
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: but the throws sometimes are just you don't know where

1352
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: they're going. But he's still He's become one of the

1353
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: more habitually disrespected players I think in Major League Baseball,

1354
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: considering how good and how young he still is. Nuelvie

1355
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Marte's another guy. He's dealt with some shit, traded, had

1356
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: the PD suspension, ripping the cover off the ball, playing

1357
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: in a thirty homer like twelve steel pace right now

1358
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: and the half season he's played, Yeah, yeah, I think

1359
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: he had a couple of reps in center. Honestly, really,

1360
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: I think there was a game or two they put

1361
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: him out there instead of can't be good out there.

1362
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: Freedi also all time grinder. If Keith is on this series,

1363
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna give TJ. Friedlil credit for playing

1364
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: the game the right way. Undrafted because he didn't know.

1365
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but he didn't know he was draft eligible,

1366
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: and then the Reds were like, I do you want

1367
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: to sign with us?

1368
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: He was like I can.

1369
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: They're like yeah, dude, and he was like, oh, okay,

1370
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: sounds good and he was awesome. He's a he's a

1371
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 2: really cool, fun underdog story and he's a good ball player.

1372
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely good ballplayer. Keith. Also, he'll definitely have some

1373
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: stories about playing in Cincinnati back in the day because

1374
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: those seventies Cardinals and Reds teams had a crazy rivalry.

1375
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: But he mentioned something very funny all the way at

1376
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: the end of this Tigers game. I don't know if

1377
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: anyone was was was still tuned in for the ninth

1378
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: the name shot out my buddy Ryan for shouting this out,

1379
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: he said. Keith made a comment you can always get

1380
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: in trouble in Covington talking about Kentucky because when you

1381
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: used to play the game to Cincinnati, the Ohio bars

1382
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: would close early. The Kentucky bars stayed up until four.

1383
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: So these guys at the end of the night would

1384
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: apparently take a cab across the bridge, right over the

1385
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: board into Kentucky and just get rally over there. It's

1386
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: a four in the morning before their game, before a

1387
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: huge tilt against the Reds the next decks. That's incredible, God, Keith,

1388
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: I need more of that Keith, not the angry old

1389
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: man Keith. So it's very funny that they'd be like,

1390
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: let's go party in Kentucky, a little wilder down there.

1391
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: Also say it's about that that bridge. Gorgeous Kentucky, North Kentucky,

1392
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: beautiful state.

1393
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: Well, I thought you were about to say the opposite

1394
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: Rolling Hill fought on Skyline Chili real quick, so fucking

1395
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 2: atrociously badged.

1396
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: I rehashed the Skyline Chili. Sorry I told a few

1397
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: years ago. We got a lot of new listeners.

1398
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: So just a quick little Skyline Chili recap before we

1399
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: get your Frankie Pepper's and get out of here.

1400
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, get the bad food before we get the

1401
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: Franki peppers a good food, So told you guys in

1402
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: the past. Went to college to Ohio State my sophomore year,

1403
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: finally moved off campus. Was making new friends. I was

1404
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: always the guy that cooked around, Like I was just

1405
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: the only nineteen year old dude who had like recipes

1406
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: on deck and I had a great chili recipe and

1407
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: I'd make big pots of chili. I'd get friends and

1408
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: bowls to chili. One of my buddies shout out, it's funny.

1409
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: He actually got married over the weekend. And he is

1410
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: the same name of Nolan mclan but shout him out.

1411
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: We we He was like, Hey, I know you like chili.

1412
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: There's a great chili place that's in Ohio. Like I

1413
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: want to take you there, Like I grew up around it,

1414
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: Like it's amazing. I was like, Wow, cool, probably goes

1415
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: cool hole in the walled chili spot. Drive to a

1416
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: strip mall, not even realizing at the time might naive

1417
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: to say that everything in America is a strip mall.

1418
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: Once you get once you get west of Philadelphia and

1419
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: east of Los Angeles, and we just pull up and

1420
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: he's like, here you go. Order. I was like, what

1421
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: the fuck do I order? Like they have spaghetti and

1422
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: vats of orange chili, Like, what's going on here? I

1423
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: was like, just order for me, and he gets me

1424
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: a chili dog and spaghetti with chili on it called

1425
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: a three way these sexual purpose out there in southern Ohio.

1426
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: And I take one bite and I look at him.

1427
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, this is fucking disgusting. I was like,

1428
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: this is such a this is such a joke for food.

1429
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: I remember they made GELOVESI the.

1430
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: Two he should do the the nine nine nine challenge

1431
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 2: Tony's Chili dogs Chili dogs.

1432
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: But we also know it's like a Stockholm syndrome thing

1433
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: for the people from Cincinnati. Like I won't chastise people

1434
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: for loving that if they're from there, Like you're sure, yeah,

1435
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: out be four. For those of you who watch FIFA,

1436
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: content if you do. Yeah, He's like, it's the best,

1437
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: Like the first thing I do. Want to go back

1438
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati Skyline Chili again. My buddy in college was like,

1439
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: I love this chili. I can't even conceptualize it because

1440
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: it's foul, putrid spaghetti with bad chili, cinnamon with cinnamon,

1441
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: and cold grated cheese on top. Just describe to you, guys,

1442
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: it's a it's an abomination to food.

1443
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm a proud of Greek, but this is a rare

1444
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: moment where I'm upset being Greek because it is a

1445
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 2: Greek man. I believe that is the inventor of Skyline Chili,

1446
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: to which I go, how the fuck did that happen?

1447
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: We make such amazing food. How did you stumble into

1448
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: what sounds like an atrocity?

1449
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: And you guys are a resourceful bunch. You know where

1450
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: I went ran the kitchen. It is true, that is true.

1451
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how they made that awful awfulness.

1452
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 2: And also shout out Gary Cohen because he will one

1453
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: hundred percent and grown about Skyline Chili.

1454
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: This this series. Yeah, we'll get the elitist New York

1455
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: takes about Skyline guarantee one hundred percent. But I think

1456
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: that means, without further do, it's time for Frankie Peppers

1457
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: some Frankie time. I've been missing some Frankie Pepper's action.

1458
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 1: Frank you will never be caught dead with Skyline chili.

1459
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: It's a discussing excuse for what Bolognation she should do.

1460
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: Bolognais insteadive chili. Yeah, I think bologne is the thought.

1461
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: A spaghetti would be a great recipe. It would be delicious.

1462
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: More people in Middle America should try that. Here come,

1463
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: here comes.

1464
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: Franky, gentlemen, this is Frankie Peppers. You know, you know,

1465
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 3: sometimes you just can't sweep the best team in the

1466
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: American League when you're in their house, it happens. I'll

1467
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 3: gladly take two a three. Twenty four runs scored in

1468
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 3: three games. That's eight runs a game. When you look

1469
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: at it like that, you take it. When Ryan Helsley,

1470
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: let's have twenty four runs in three games, that's a little, uh,

1471
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 3: sort of concerning. I still don't know what to do

1472
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: about him. Boys, I'm sure you discussed it, but I'm

1473
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: very interested to hear you take so not a lot

1474
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: to say. Yeah, just go out and step on the

1475
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 3: next of the Cincinnati Retz. Just go take care of

1476
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 3: business boys, and if we lose this series, I will

1477
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 3: eat some Skyline Chili. Yeah, and I don't want to

1478
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 3: do that, so don't make me do it.

1479
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: Okay, got to win.

1480
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: Hope you boys are doing well and they'll talk to you.

1481
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: So let's go.

1482
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: Mets. Whoa Skyline Chili. We're synchronized with Frankie Peppers. We're on.

1483
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: We'll make that joke because I'm match. So yeah, he

1484
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: said Tiger's the best thing in the al I'm gonna

1485
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: get some some East Coast to lead. This probably takes

1486
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: at me for calling the Tiger's bad.

1487
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: Thanks, Kylin. Chilly's disgusting. But this is this is a

1488
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: blood series. This is a place why I'm not there yet.

1489
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: I'm not killer Blood yet, not killer blood yet.

1490
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 3: This is it.

1491
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: No, this is kill This This is when killing blood

1492
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: is saved for specific moments the game. Lil Wayne.

1493
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to sweep two of three. I'll be

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Speaker 2: happy it's not a kill moment yet.

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Speaker 1: Oh, two of three. I'm a stat that's not killed yet.

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Speaker 1: Two of three is kind of like a kill. That's

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Speaker 1: like putting the knife in, not twists. A sweep stump, twist,

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Speaker 1: and a pulse is a stump.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: This is a semantic semantics semantics messed up.

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Speaker 2: It happens when you get Now we're in and that's it.

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Speaker 2: I got nothing else for you, guys. Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 2: James Shawn. I'm Draftnick Mark with a CEE. Thank you

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Speaker 2: auys for listening.

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Speaker 1: I guess on the shout out too, don't we yee

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Speaker 1: next one?

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Speaker 2: Thank you for watching, and we will have a shout

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Speaker 2: out on the next episode, so you guys can can

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Speaker 2: listen to that if you've made it an hour and

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Speaker 2: two minutes and listen to the last possible words we say.

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Speaker 1: Peace out, guys. Let's go Mets. Let's go Mets. You

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Speaker 1: guys next time,