1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number two hundred 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: and thirty seven, and today I am joined by First 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Lights Director of Conservation and public Relations, Ryan Callahan, and 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: we're talking about the elk hunt we just went on 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: in Montana over the past week and all the adventures 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: that went along with it. 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Because we're it's mid day 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: now and we're down where there is no snow and 43 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: it's thirty six. It was frosty. Chili felt good. Yeah, 44 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: I did impressively cold. Yeah, it felt like something could happen. 45 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: It did. Um, we're out here in Montana and we've 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: been elk hunting, and Ryan, I was hoping to kind 47 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: of run through the story since I've been out here, 48 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: what what what I did before I met up with 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: you and and what we did together, and then, Um, 50 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind hearing a little bit about your elk 51 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: hunts ahead of this. You're telling me some stories about 52 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: your early season action. I wouldn't mind hearing about some 53 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: of that again. But I also want to make sure 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: we touch on a few things about the Land and 55 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: Water Conservation Fund. Is that something you're up for chatting 56 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: about two? Yeah, absolutely, good timing, all right, Yes, this 57 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: is primo timing. So I guess that we talk elk first. 58 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: This is the first time up hunting elk in two years. Well, 59 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: I took I started hunting elk in two and then 60 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: one every year for four years or five years after that, 61 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: and then took last year off because I did that 62 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: Carabra hunt. So this is good to get back out 63 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: on the Elk woits I was missing it. Um, but 64 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of a short trip, yes, yeah, um, but 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, good good thing to remember is this is 66 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: like longer than a lot of folks is average ELK trip. 67 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I mean I know so many people 68 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: that are you know, they're lucky if they get out 69 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: for a weekend. You're saying, locals, local folks. Yeah, yeah, well, 70 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: I guess you're right. I feel we were talking how 71 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: I feel like so many of my all of my elkns. 72 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: It's always a great, big production, right, It's this big trip. 73 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: All this planning goes into it. It's this long time 74 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: period that you look forward to all year. It's gonna 75 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: be so different for you or anyone who lives around 76 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: the stuff where it's like I'll go out for a night, 77 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: or I'll go out for Saturday afternoon and yes, yeah, yeah, 78 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: ripping out after work as fast as you can and uh, 79 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: at least get into the spot that you want to hunt, 80 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, and then give it a good solid morning 81 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: and if it doesn't seem like it's gonna turn on, 82 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: you know, maybe bail that whole weekend and go get 83 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: your all your chores done and all the your responsibilities 84 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: taken care of, and you kind keep tabs on it 85 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: and hope to get out when things really happening. Um, 86 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: you know that that was something that it was very 87 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: familiar to me, not all that long ago. I feel 88 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: like I feel like being an out of stater or 89 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: when you hear about folks talking about how you can 90 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: find public land out these days, and it always sounds 91 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: like you gotta get ten miles off the road, you 92 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: have to be way back in the middle of nowhere. 93 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: So I will always kind of have this assumption. I 94 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of other people that haven't having 95 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: out kind of very much, that live out on the 96 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: other side of the country, have the same assumption that 97 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: you need to come out here for some expedition and 98 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: you need to be back there fifteen miles. But when 99 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: I was heading out here, you know, chatted with you, 100 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, you pointed me towards a spot that I 101 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: should check out to start, and You're like, oh, yeah, 102 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: just drive down this road. People just drive around bugle 103 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: and then go chase him right off the road. And 104 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: that's something that kind of wouldn't even thought was possible. Yes, well, 105 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's all I always talk about like having 106 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: a lot of different tools in your tool kit, right, 107 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: and so every area is different. And you know this 108 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: is um where we're sitting right now, there's a lot 109 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: of like standing lodgepole pine country. It's really thick timber 110 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: um and that you know, the animals use the roads 111 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: a lot um and um. Yeah, so I mean that's 112 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: that can be an effective tool um to locate and 113 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: maybe figure a spot out and then then you know, 114 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: get the backpack on and and and go in there. 115 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: Like we were talking about, I had, uh a friend 116 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: of mine who never I never saw him once wear 117 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: a backpacks, stuff up bottle of water and it's you know, 118 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: military surplus uh cargo pants and that was his whole 119 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: whole kit, you know. And all he did was, you know, 120 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: he operated solely within a mile of the road. Yeah. 121 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: I guess it comes down to what you were talking 122 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: about the other day, just the value of mobility. Yes, 123 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you kind of It's interesting. This is the 124 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: same thing with white tailed deer hunting. Very often it's 125 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: so easy to you pick this by your in hunt 126 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: and once you pick, once you make that decision, once 127 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: you kind of prepare for that if you just are 128 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: stuck in that rut and you're not willing or able 129 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: to adapt, and you can very often be stuck in 130 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: a bad place. So like when we backpack in for 131 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: these elk counts have done in the past, we've kind 132 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: of been stuck. We could have pulled up, but we 133 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: never did because of all the work it took to 134 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: get in there. So you're kind of in this one 135 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: drainage and if it's not happening there, you're kind of 136 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: s oll But it seems like this this other way 137 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: of going about it that you're talking about in certain 138 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: situations that seems to make a lot of sense. Check 139 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: out a lot of different areasun till you find where 140 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: they're at. What how do you can you walk me 141 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: through kind of what that would look like like, how 142 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: many different places are, how far back off the main 143 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: road or ian, what's like the details of how you 144 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: go about that kind of mobile elk hunt, the way 145 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: you approach it. Yeah, well, you know, there's um a 146 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: couple of different techniques s um, but you know, you know, 147 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: obviously it works better when you're in some bigger chunks 148 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: of national forest where um, you don't I guess, don't 149 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: get stuck on trailheads. Um. An official designated trailhead isn't 150 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: your only means of accessing the Elk Woods? Right? Um? 151 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: And you know hit stop primarily when I'm checking out 152 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: new areas. Um. You know, in the evening primarily um 153 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: that last hour um and into the dark to all 154 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: stop bugle off the road, listen, move on, stop bugle 155 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: off the road, listen, move on, um. And it's it's 156 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: about locating, it's not about hunting. Right. So you look, kid, 157 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: you look at the map and you're like, Okay, I 158 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: think that people came from about here, but it's now 159 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: it's nine o'clock at night. I'm willing to bet that 160 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: that animal moved off of this ridge and it might 161 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: be heading this direction. So maybe in the morning I'll 162 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: figure out how to be on that ridge somehow. Um. 163 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: And then you know, the backpacking version of that is. UM. 164 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: You know, I'll try to be I'm never like an 165 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: ultra light person, but I try to just pare things 166 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: down as small as possible. So uh, no stove, no 167 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: tent um. You know, if the weather is pretty inclement 168 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: and I'm by myself, a tarp is about all the 169 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: shelter I'll bring UM, and I'm just kind of cruising 170 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: and calling, cruising and calling, cruising and calling UM. When 171 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: I do locate ELK, I have the ability to stay 172 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: on them until I can kill one, right, because you're 173 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: keeping your camp on your back, because campus on my 174 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: back the whole time. Yeah, that was that was something 175 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: we did this time too. That was different than what 176 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: I've done the past. I want to talk about that too, 177 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: but um, but I guess basically, if we rewind the 178 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: tape a little bit, what you talked about in the 179 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: beginning is kind of how I started out. Because you 180 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: couldn't meet me for a day, so I came out 181 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: and just thought, all right, I'm gonna try to find 182 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: something and make a move on something quick. So I 183 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: drove around a bunch of these National Forest roads and 184 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: stop bugle drow around, stop bagle drow and check trail heads, 185 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: try to see where there are other trucks and stuff, 186 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: to try to figure out where other people. I figured 187 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: that was a good starting point, a void where there's 188 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of other people. So to your point, the 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: one main trail head that we were near, there was 190 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: three trucks and another truck and a horse trailer, so 191 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: everyone kind of congregates around that, right. Um eventually found 192 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: what I thought was decent looking out country that he 193 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: had to go up this big steep ridge to get too. 194 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: But it was kind of dark, timber, and some scattered 195 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: meadow as long as ridges. So that first, I think 196 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: it was that that first evening I just got in there. 197 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: I all right, if I can get up there high, 198 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: maybe I can see something, maybe I can hear something 199 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: in these drainages way back there. At least have a 200 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: starting point, you know. Um. So I hiked up the 201 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: top of that ridge, got way up there, could see 202 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: into almost three different drainages, did little locator bugles along 203 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: the way every once in a while, didn't hear anything. 204 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: Sat on that ridge, glassed a lot of country, didn't 205 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: see anything, Um, but it looked like good enough country 206 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: that it might be worth checking out that general area again. 207 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: So the next morning I got up early, and I 208 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: talked to a guy the night before, another hunter was 209 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: in the area, and he'd mentioned that they've been there 210 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: for days. I can't remember how many days, but a 211 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: handful of days, and they hadn't heard a single bugle, 212 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: and I hadn't heard a single bugle. So I kind 213 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: of had assumption now that maybe like the locating tactic 214 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: might not work as well for me, like bugling from 215 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: the road or bugling all over the place. So I thought, Okay, 216 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: I just need to put some miles back in there 217 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: and try to see this tucked in drainage. I've been 218 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: looking at the map. So I came in from a 219 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: a different access point, but heading towards the same different 220 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: or same general direction that I was at the first step. 221 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: Hyked back in there, calling every once in a while, 222 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: but I didn't hear anything. I came over this ridge 223 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: that was back ridge towards this final drainage I was 224 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: heading into about three miles off the road, and I 225 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: was walking on the side hill of the ridge right 226 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: where the timber met this little meadow, so right along 227 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: that edge, and I come around a corner and I 228 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: see an elk standing out there, maybe a hundred fifty 229 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: yards away. I just freeze, and I'm trying to sick. 230 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: Is he's staring at me? This is this elk staring 231 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: at me, And I can see his head turning facing 232 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: the other way. So I dropped down to my knees, 233 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: pulled with buy nose and can see it was a 234 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: decent bowl. Um. I think it was a five by five, 235 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: and um, that was encouraging to see a bull. But 236 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: as I've got my bonos up looking, I noticed there's 237 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: a cow standing behind him and she's looking right at me. 238 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: So I think that I had only seen him. And 239 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: I dropped down because I thought he wasn't looking at me, 240 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: so I thought I was safe, But I bet you 241 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: she was behind him. I couldn't see her. She saw 242 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: me kneel down, so she's staring at me. The bulls 243 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: get his head down now feeding and then she barks, 244 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: and then a calf jumps up behind her, and calf 245 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: runs down the hill and then she runs down the hill, 246 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: and then eventually he followed, and that was exciting to 247 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: see a bull. And at that point I thought, maybe, 248 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't he didn't run. He like fed 249 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: for another twenty seconds and then turned and just kind 250 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: of walked down her following. So I sprinted down the 251 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: mountainto the timber. I'm like, well, maybe I can get 252 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: close enough into the world, and they hear some crashing 253 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: then trout a couple of cow calls, and maybe he 254 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: would be another cow um. So I did that, but 255 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: I never caught up with him and never could hear 256 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: them and never spun my calls, and that was kind 257 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: of that. I kept hiking, exploring this new area. But 258 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: I have yeah, many times I've been like, well, it's 259 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: game over, and somebody wants to try this very low 260 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: percentage success, last ditch effort, and I've seen it payoff, 261 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like, no possible way this is 262 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: gonna work, so it is worth trying. So so the 263 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: sprint sprint into the woods? Yeah, would you have would 264 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: you have done that? Or would you have said she 265 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: barked there out of here, bail or what would you 266 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: have done that scenario? Yeah? For me, I would have 267 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: I would have just chilled him and like, all right, 268 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give these guys some time or I'm gonna 269 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: go find other Elk Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, Because I 270 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: mean a big part for me too is you know, 271 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty spoiled. I get a lot of days in 272 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: the Elk woods, and and I like my situations as 273 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: much as I like my Elk red. So I'm like, 274 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: I want that bowl vocal and I don't want them 275 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: trying to step on top of it, right, um, and 276 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: so I'll mess around with them until I can get 277 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: that to happen. Typically, man, you are spoiled. Yes. So 278 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: then I went up and met up with you and 279 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: we had it off to a new area. Yes, and 280 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: we're again looking for that type of snare you like, Yes, 281 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: and um, so yeah, this is kind of like, um, 282 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: a zone that you know, very confident there's elk in there. 283 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: We pulled a couple of bulls out in the past, um, 284 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: but it was still you know, kind of that road 285 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: hunting scenario right where it's camps on back. We're doing, um, 286 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: quite a bit of calling. Um. You know. My theory 287 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: um is that these elk are always talking. Sometimes you 288 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: just gotta be right on top of them. And you know, 289 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm not ripping like giant, huge bugles. It's more conversational, 290 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: like um, confidence inducing bugles, I would think. So, so 291 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: what does that actually? I mean, obviously you can't make 292 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: this sound, but just like a high squeally short bugle 293 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: kind of thing, or how would you describe your locator? 294 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: Short and not like piercing And then didn't seem like 295 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: you didn't do like any junk afterwards, not a lot 296 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: of grunts or glunks or chuckles or anything at least. Yeah, yeah, 297 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: and just just trying to um. It's more like, you know, 298 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: this time of year, the rets on elk are moving 299 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: all over the place. Elk are getting beat up and 300 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: pushed into different herds, different drainages, people pressure, pushing alk around, 301 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: and you know, for me, it's paid off to just 302 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: have that more like everything's great with the world type 303 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: of bugle. Not I'm intimidating you. I'm trying to find 304 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: somebody else type of bugle. I'm looking for a fight, 305 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking for ladies. It's more just like our little 306 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: groups doing just fine. Yeah, I feel like I know 307 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: I was telling you this that we must maybe was 308 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: missing um the boat on this a little bit because 309 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: we got so call shy where we hunt in Idaho, 310 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: because we we assumed that any bugling was sending these 311 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: elk the other direction. So we we stopped bugling all together. 312 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: We did zero calling, except for if we heard a 313 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: bugle and we got closer to that bowl than we 314 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: tried a little with cal calling, and that was all 315 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: we did because we were so worried about the pressure. 316 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: But from what it sounds like, we maybe we could 317 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: have got away more. Yeah, it's it's really hard. It's 318 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: really hard to get in this mental space of um 319 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: playing people more than elk. And and yes, sometimes that 320 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: is the right call, but more often than not, UM, 321 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: when I gotta remind myself like, um, there's some absolute 322 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: dumb ass luck involved. But I've very consistently been an 323 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: l killer and you just need to go hunt and 324 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: kill elk and not worry about the next dude in 325 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: the drainage. So UM, you know, I'm sure there's some 326 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: folks that would argue with that. Again, there's situations where 327 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: you absolutely do need to play the people like they've 328 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: been sitting on elk that have been coming out of 329 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: the same betting zone and they just sit there and 330 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: on the same ridge top and rip bugles and rip 331 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: ugles and rip bugles. Um, those elk could probably figured 332 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: out not to not to even recognize those things. Yeah, 333 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: I mean I but you know, it's an odd thing. 334 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: Like I was staring at a you know, a very 335 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: large herd bowl in Idaho, um, a couple of weeks ago, 336 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm two fifty yards from him. I 337 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: have cows behind me and in front of me, it 338 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: should have been like a pretty darned good situation to 339 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: get this guy pissed. And I did like three huge bugles, 340 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, two fifty yards, but everybody was on their feet. Um, 341 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: my mind should have been close enough. And uh, he 342 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: didn't respond or even look at me till the third bugle. 343 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: What and then what did you do? Then he scooped 344 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: up his cows and got out of there. Yeah, yeah, 345 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: but you know so I think that particular bowl is 346 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: was just in the mindset of like, you know what, 347 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: the red's not really happening. He wasn't. I've been watching 348 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: him for a while. He wasn't picking up cows actively. 349 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: They were basically coming to him. And I think really 350 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: his strategy and and this is something I very much 351 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: believe in, is there's a lot of bulls out there 352 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: that they know be going at tracts attention from you know, 353 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: a variety of predators of course, but also just those 354 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: other bulls, and they're like, well, why would these ladies 355 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: are coming to me? Why would I tell everybody about 356 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: it and make my job harder? Do you do you? 357 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: So that's like that's the most difficult scenario than for Hunter. 358 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: Right when you've got a bull like that or all 359 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: the bulls like that, which sometimes it seems like recently here, Yeah, 360 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: and that has been That's where we're in my past 361 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: altcining trips, that's where we've struggled the most, or maybe 362 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: I should say the other way. The only time we 363 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: found any successes when they're talking a lot. Otherwise we struggle. UM. 364 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: And what we've done in the past when that has 365 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: happened is we just walked around and glassed, walked around 366 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: and glass and called a little bit, you know, like 367 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: I mentioned a little bit of kyl calling, but UM, 368 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: it seemed like that's kind of what you do too, 369 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: based on Yeah. So yeah, I'm sorry to go back 370 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: like the new spot. Then we went into after we 371 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: met at UM. You know, we we worked UM a 372 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: variety of like high and low ridges, UM, and we 373 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: were basic. I gotta I gotta jump in and say that. UM. 374 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: I have always al khinted with like other friends from 375 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: Michigan and in in Iowa. So when I go on 376 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: these trips with my buddies locally, and I told you 377 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: this yesterday, but I'm like the mountain goat in my 378 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: friend group. So I was like jeez, Marks had these 379 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: long legs. I was hiking Safari. You never stops for breaks, 380 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. But now I'm hiking with with 381 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: you Ryan, and you're going up this first ridge and 382 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: it's I don't know how high we went up? How long? 383 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: Was I camp? Full miles a decent chunk of elevation 384 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: game and not a single stop for a breather. The 385 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: whole time, I'm just thinking, ma'am, I like it when 386 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm the one who gets to be leading the way, 387 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: and that feeling like I was dragging. Ask oh you 388 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: did great? That that's not a fun ridge either. I 389 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: was like, this is a long ridge. Usually I'm I'm 390 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: waiting for people behind me. And now I realized I 391 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: don't want to be the one that someone's waiting for. 392 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: Like in my head like, do not stop, do not 393 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: make Ryan waite for you? Oh no, yeah, you know. Unfortunately, 394 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: like I've definitely like clicked into this mindset where it's like, 395 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: no matter, just disconnect your feet from your body, let 396 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: him do the work. And the only thing that's going 397 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: to make this long steep ridge more painful is stopping, 398 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: because it's never gonna get over yeah, and that's kind 399 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: of clicking to that mode when I'm packing meat out too. 400 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: It's like, just keep the wheels turning at all costs. 401 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: It is such a mental game. It has to like 402 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: you said, you have to disconnect your mind from your 403 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: legs and just like go into some other space and 404 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: just like be an autopilot. Almost, yes, exactly, because if 405 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: you get if you get in your head and you're like, 406 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: oh this is miserable, I'm so tired, then you're then 407 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: you're just going down to fast. Absolutely. So we kept 408 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: cruising and really we're like, Okay, I know there's elkin 409 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: here um. There's always elkin here um. But everything that 410 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: we've been hearing um from friends that we bump into 411 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: and stuff, I've been like, there is no talking going on. 412 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: So despite the no talking that we were experiencing firsthand, 413 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: we were cruising and looking for sign um because you know, 414 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: we get a lot of success um, you know, killing 415 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: bulls that come in silent and and but you know, 416 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like stop and set myself up for 417 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: that success unless I can find fresh sign. Yeah. Can 418 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: you can you walk through what that specific fresh sign 419 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: was that you were looking for, because I was really 420 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: interested to understand what was going through your head as 421 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: we were hiking around all the time, Like what what 422 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: was enough sign or fresh enough sign to make you say, okay, yeah, 423 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: this is an arraybaty to focus on more than just 424 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: like a single bowl track coming out of the timber, 425 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: like ideally there's some back and forth and multiple animals. Um, 426 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: that all looks relatively fresh, you know. Unfortunately, when we 427 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: were finding is what I would refer to as historic 428 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: elk sign, not current elk sign. And what do you 429 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: think a few weeks old? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and but 430 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: a lot of it, a lot of it um, which yeah, man, 431 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: it was just like, um, you know, that was the 432 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: spot the boys and a handful of cows were hanging 433 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: out in and then once the season started getting going, 434 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: I think those cows probably pitched off into a different 435 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: drainage and the bulls may lingered a couple of days 436 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: and then followed, you know. Um. But so you know, 437 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: it's nice having like the fresh rubs around, but those 438 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: balls can travel so much during the route that I 439 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: don't put like a I don't get super jacked when 440 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: I see that. Is there anything like with white tails? 441 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: Something we see a lot is you're gonna see um, 442 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: increased rub activity closer and closer to their bedding areas. 443 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: When you find like a buck betting area like just 444 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: littered with rubs, like we're in it, do you see 445 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: anything like that? Yep, absolutely absolutely, but again like a 446 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: little people pressure, predator pressure because it is so close 447 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: to the bedding area like that can be red hot 448 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: the day before and you just missed it. Or they 449 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, they picked up uh, you know, a cowin 450 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: into asters in the next freaking county and it seems 451 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: like they're gone. So what I want to see is 452 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: ideally U scat that I can just be know, no 453 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: question that just happened. Um, like a real elk smell before. 454 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: It's like crazy ammonia elk um. And some back and 455 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: forth tracks would be like the the Holy Trinity, right 456 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: um that are also like fresh um and yeah, a 457 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: lot of like this super dry country that I hunt. 458 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's pretty darned easy to see what 459 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: a fresh elk track is. Yeah. So if we had 460 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: been hiking along on our first day and we ran 461 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: across that, so up until this point, we've been hiking, glassing, bugling, hiking, glassing, 462 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: bugling from ridge to ridge, checking all these things out. 463 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: But now let's say we got to the spot you 464 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: found this Holy Trinity assigned. What would we have done 465 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: differently at that point? Well, at that point because that 466 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: never really happened. It never happened. Um. You know, most 467 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: of the time you can unless you're in like again 468 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: like some of this lodgepole stuff where it doesn't really 469 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: seem to look like there is, um like a defined 470 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: betting area or defined like well, yeah, of course they're 471 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: going to be on this bench or working through the saddle, 472 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: unless you're in a spot like that. You know, I 473 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: am looking for those obvious like okay to me looking 474 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: at this hillside, like they have to be in that draw. 475 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: So here's the sign. That's where they're coming out onto, 476 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: like the exposed ridge at night to feed and and 477 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: mess around and and get into that running activity. Um. 478 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: This is kind of like the area that they're using, 479 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: um most of the time for me, because I I'd 480 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: like to throw caution to the wind. Is I would 481 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: slipping in there on that same trail, get as close 482 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: as possible to the betting zone. Um. And you know, 483 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: and and and that's about the most that's the time 484 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: that I'm the most quiet in the elk woods, because 485 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: when I'm like, okay, I know they're betting right here. 486 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: I was just two yards away ripping a bugle and 487 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: nobody responded. So now I'm gonna be You're like pretty 488 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: darn quiet. From a calling standpoint, you're saying, and from 489 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: a walking standpoint like yeah, but not like my boots 490 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: off or anything, but just being a little more. I'm 491 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: not gonna go crashing through brush. I'm slipping around it. 492 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: Um and then uh, you know, and paying attention to 493 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: the wind the whole time. And then I'll set up, um, 494 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'll have my bottom my bow m in 495 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 1: my front pocket so it's a vertical and I can 496 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: rest it would rest my arm and sit there and 497 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: call and do you try to get close enough that 498 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: you're actually seeing like a betted cow or something. Sometimes 499 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: sometimes that's too close. Most of the time, most of 500 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: the time you don't need to be that close. So 501 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: you're just in the timber, you're in the dark stuff. 502 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: You've got to feel that there's somewhere on this ridge 503 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: your yards. Yeah, I mean you're definitely within a hundred yards. Yeah. 504 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: So then you're set up and do a little calling. Yep, 505 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: and it's a little calling. So one call this is 506 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: a calcol calcol, like wait a little bit, a couple 507 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: of alcohols, and then I'll wait for half an hour 508 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: and then I'll make another calcol, A couple of calcols um. 509 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: And you know, it's definitely time dependent. During the day 510 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: when I found these things, all right, because you don't 511 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: want that wind to switch on you. But then all 512 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: do like a really like very very chill, don't mind 513 00:29:54,040 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: me type of bugle that says, I'm I'm a little bowl. 514 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: I am in here with these cows, and I do 515 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: not want to screw up this situation. And a lot 516 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: of times that's when I'll get like a grunt or 517 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: a chuckle out of that timber and that's the bigger 518 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: bowl likely that says, what's this punk doing in here? 519 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: It's like, I like the cows. And then I'll just 520 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: go back to cow calling and again like very sporadic, 521 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: and I get a lot of success with that bowl 522 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: standing up in the middle of the day and coming 523 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: to check that stuff out. Not a lot of people 524 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: do that kind of betting here sneak, do they? I 525 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: feel like that's it's high consequence right, right, because you 526 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: blow up the betting area, just like with white tails, 527 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: it's like, well, you just screwed up their safety zone. 528 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: And so a lot of people would say, well, why 529 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: don't you just stay on the ridge where you know 530 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: they're coming out to feed? Um, And you know the 531 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: answer sometimes is well, I know this is a press 532 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: trud area and that's where the people think comes in. 533 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: And it's like if I don't get him today, um, 534 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, this betting area doesn't really look like a 535 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: betting area. It looks like a place that you can 536 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: just walk through and no problem, and and somebody might 537 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: do that in the next five minutes um or um. 538 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: You know they've been really quiet, and this is my 539 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: weekend to hunt, you know, because I gotta go do 540 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: something else. Um. You know, there's plenty outside factors, right, 541 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: It's like, this is my last weekend. I gotta make 542 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: it happen. Um. But the biggest factory for me is 543 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: like that's like those situations, I just have a lot 544 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,239 Speaker 1: of success. And you were saying too that you like 545 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: the shorter shot opportunities to versus like big wide meadow 546 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: type things where lots of times you're you're stuck with 547 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: her and do I want to take that sixty yard 548 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: shot or seven yards whatever? Fifty yards? Um, you're kind 549 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: of forcing yourself to a much higher percent of shot, right, Yeah, 550 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: And you know that bowl has to come find you 551 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: in the timber and they're comfortable in the timber, and 552 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: then but you know you you just called your butt 553 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: off and you did a great job, and that bowl 554 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: breaks through the tree line into a meadow at a 555 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: hundred yards. A lot of times he's gonna take five 556 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: or six steps and lock up and be like, Okay, 557 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: I should see something. Yeah, where where where is he? Yeah? 558 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, And I mean most most of the time 559 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: when i'm um, if I'm calling for somebody else, I 560 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: can work things a lot differently. But you know, most 561 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: of the time when I'm out there for the freezer, 562 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm just by myself. So yeah, So we're doing we're 563 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: doing the thing you mentioned before. We find hot sign. 564 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: We're still hiking, glassing bugling, hiking glassing bugling. It's something 565 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: that should be pointed out about this area is that 566 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,239 Speaker 1: it's just blowdowns everywhere. So it's and I think to 567 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: your point you talked about how this is one of 568 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: the reasons why this is a better spot was because 569 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: that was a tarrant to people, right, most pikers didn't 570 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: want to go in through that kind of stuff. Yeah, 571 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean it's not a pretty place, it's not a 572 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: welcoming place, um, and it it can be kind of 573 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: a sanctuary um as other places get pressured. Right now, 574 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: we're kind of later in the season, felt like the 575 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: time was ready to go in there, um and pretty 576 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: shocked that we weren't weren't really finding anything. So like 577 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: the you know, the most sign that we found would 578 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: be like a single bowl um had like cruise through 579 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: the area like probably within three days um and then UM. 580 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: But I mean still, like when things aren't talking and 581 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: you have the confidence that there are elk there, you 582 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: don't have a lot choice other than to totally leave 583 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: and find a different area like we talked about before, 584 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: and find where they are talking, or to like really 585 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: hunt the thing well and and hit those pockets that 586 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: you know where they like to hide and and hang out. 587 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: And so that's what we kind of did. And I 588 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: hope that something comes in quiet, right and just make 589 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: sure you're really ready for it and that you're ready 590 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: for it at all times. Yeah. So we're we're doing 591 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: this and we get to this back kind of ridge, 592 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: a little bowl, I guess before this last major ridge 593 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: sort of rum rumors. Right, we're kind of we walked 594 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: up to the little outcrop of rocks. Ryan lads off 595 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: a bugle, um, don't maybe Kyl call or to something 596 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: like that. We listened and nothing as it had been 597 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: for the last two days. And so then we sat 598 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: down and just kind of started bussing a little bit, right, Yeah. 599 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: And I had my back against this rock because I 600 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: didn't really want to sit all the way down um, 601 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: because you know, I was kind of getting into magic time. 602 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 1: It's getting later in the days. I was like, probably 603 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: if they're not here, well we got to charge over 604 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: this next reage. And and Mark, you're looking the opposite direction, 605 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, right there, and you know, that 606 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: was definitely something I've been wanting to hear, right, But 607 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: I was looking. I was basically standing up leaning against 608 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: this big rock, looking the opposite direction, and I was like, 609 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: oh boy, what are they doing? Yeah? And I was 610 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: sitting on I was sitting on a rock like ten 611 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: yards away when I bowing my lap facing that direction, 612 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: and I just remember hearing like rocks clattering, and so 613 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: you were like you were in the middle of saying 614 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: something because I remember like, hey, like pointing at you, 615 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: like right right, and then hearing this, like that's definitely 616 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: the sound of elk. And then yeah, when I turned 617 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: to that noise, there's this elk coming right at us. 618 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: There was a bowl, but I just remember thinking, oh, 619 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: there's no way that this is gonna work out, because 620 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: he's he must he must see us or something. But 621 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: we just stayed frozen. Man, Yeah, and talk about should 622 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: have worked out. So yeah, I kind of craned my 623 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 1: neckground and I see that the bulls heads all covered up. Um, 624 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: but I'm looking at the body and I'm like, oh, 625 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: it's not a huge bull. And then his buddy started 626 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: coming over the ridge, and I'm like, oh man, this 627 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: is like home run. This is like I'm immediately I'm like, 628 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: go put okay, elk goes down here. We're gonna have 629 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: to camp in here, and we're gonna drop down this 630 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: ridge and get this thing packed out. And this is 631 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: the way we're gonna have to do it. And this 632 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: was not what was going through my mind at that moment. 633 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: Oh man, yeah, So I was just like, yeah, golden scenario, 634 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: and um, they like those little tiny cow calls and 635 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: they were kind of marching in and then um, yeah, 636 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: that's like yeah, so you you were behind I was 637 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: closest to where they're at, and so I'm thinking I'm stuck. 638 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: I thought you since you were behind me and you 639 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: were you were lower. I felt like it was a 640 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: little bit lower, but you know, my head was sticking 641 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: up about that rock, so I thought like, you might 642 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: be able to move, and I didn't think I could. 643 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: But when I realized that this bull the front bowl, 644 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: I hadn't seen the other two yet. I just saw 645 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: the front bowl. Um, And at first, like I said, 646 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, he's gonna see me, but then he didn't. 647 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: He just started kept walking and put his head down. 648 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: So I was like, oh wow, i'mn have an opportunity. 649 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: So he started walking, put his walk behind a tree, 650 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: and at that point I dropped down to my knees 651 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: behind this rock. And then he went behind another tree 652 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: and I pulled an arrow and knocked it and got 653 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: set by another tree. And now I'm like, okay, he's 654 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: getting like close to that that range. So I got 655 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: my range finder out and there was one there was 656 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of dead trees, and then there's a cluster 657 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: of dead trees. But just after that cluster of dead trees, 658 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: there was a nice wide opening and I ranged a 659 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: big bowlder right there that was sixty yards and that 660 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,959 Speaker 1: was a shot. I couldn't take it, and I feel 661 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: comfortable taking an elk. And he was going behind all 662 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: these trees. You know, he's probably eighty that he was 663 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: at seventy and like, okay, he's gonna go right into 664 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: this opening, right at my range. And so he gets 665 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: behind that cluster of trees, walking on the steady walking 666 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: like the holy crap, this is happening in my head. 667 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm like at first I was I couldn't believe it, 668 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, whow, I might have an opportunity. 669 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: And then he got behind the cluster, like oh wow, 670 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: this is this I'm about to shoot out ye And 671 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: I kind of peeked over it, you know again, like 672 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be moving because I was exposed 673 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: and I couldn't really see what everybody was seeing, but 674 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: I had kind of peeked and I saw you like 675 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: like there was just like a little bit of tension 676 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: on the string, like okay, like here, like this is 677 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: gonna happen, and uh again, I was like, oh, thank god. Yeah. Literally, 678 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: had I had the boat up, I had, I was 679 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: clipped on, and I was like starting at the beginning 680 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: of the drap process, and then he froze and or 681 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: he never showed up on the other side, so I 682 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: couldn't see him anymore. But I knew he should be 683 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: like any second, because the cluster wasn't so big that 684 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, it was like an elk body with probably, 685 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: but he was. He was stuck in that cluster, and 686 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: I just need him to pop out, you know, a 687 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: handful more yards, and I'm like, uh. And then which 688 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: which that bowl would have done under any circumstances other 689 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: than what we experienced, Right, Seriously, what happened Even if 690 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: even if he was like, oh, there's no Elk here, 691 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: I don't like it, that's the way it was gonna go. 692 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: And if he was like, oh I saw something weird, 693 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: I don't like it, that's the opening he would have 694 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: gone through. And however, what we experienced was, you know, 695 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm craned around, I'm looking directly at these three balls, 696 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, so like my left ear 697 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: hole is towards the balls, and my right ear hole 698 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: just gets full of wind. And I was just like, 699 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: oh man, I wind shifted right on us. Yeah, and 700 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: it was just like second literally just seconds before I 701 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: would have had a shot. Yeah. I was like, okay, 702 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: well this isn't ideal. And so I kind of hit 703 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: the calcol a couple more times and and they all 704 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: three like again, like the age, they were at a 705 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: very impressionable age, these balls, and they were trying their 706 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: best to ignore the wind. From what I saw, they 707 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 1: still badly wanted to keep coming. I couldn't see them 708 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: at all, and I could not a single one could 709 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: I see at this point. So I was just stuck 710 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: waiting for him to pop out. But you you were 711 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: seeing that they were just kind of looking at our direction. 712 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, and they just knew. I was like, oh boy, 713 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: something stinks over there and that's not good. And and 714 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: then yeah, they yeah kind of pe old ah in 715 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,879 Speaker 1: the wrong direction. And then you know again I was like, man, 716 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: so so close, and you could just in my mind 717 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: and my experience said, I was like these this would 718 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: have happened, This would have happened, and even watching how 719 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: those bulls walked away like they wanted so badly to 720 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 1: come check that out, just couldn't let them. They kind 721 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,919 Speaker 1: of like a slow turn and jog away, and then 722 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: do they stop and we started walking again, and yeah, 723 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: and they kind of paralleled us a little bit, and 724 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean that was that was pretty much. Yeah, 725 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: those were our elk of the trip. Those were our 726 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: elk of the trip. Yeah. We kept hiking, we kept bugling, 727 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: we kept glassing, and I did. I felt very good 728 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 1: about how we covered the rest of that ground. Um, 729 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: I mean we really hunted it. We didn't just like 730 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: march through there. I don't feel like there's a much 731 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: of alk hiding underneath rocks. You know, there could have been. 732 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: In my mind, like there are maybe something like cow 733 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: calf pairs in there that were hiding from everybody else, 734 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: Like Mom wasn't ready to kick her calf out and 735 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: be bread, so she's staying out of the fray. Like 736 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,479 Speaker 1: that's about what was probably in there. Well, like we said, 737 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: when we gave her hell, gave it a good college effort, Yes, 738 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: we we did, we did, um so Yeah, and then 739 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 1: speaking of college efforts, we um uh. Upon her hike out. 740 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: It was late in the day and we had a 741 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: couple of beers. We got to bed relatively early after 742 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: we transitioned to a new spot. Then it felt very 743 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: much like when I was because I haven't hunted these 744 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: areas in a long time. I'm I am happy to 745 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: know that there's still elkin here. Um, but yeah, it 746 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: was definitely taking me back to the college days, like 747 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 1: these are the old stomping grounds, hyeah, old stomping grounds. 748 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: And then um, yeah, that the spot that kind of 749 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: our last ditch effort spot for this morning because we 750 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 1: both gotta go back to the jobs. Um still has 751 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 1: elk in nu and we uh yeah. The only bugle 752 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: of the entire trip is like pull up to the 753 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: spot basically basically drove to the top of a mountain 754 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: through these all these forest roads, and a couple of 755 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: times I'm like, where is he taking me? Like is 756 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: this where he kills me now? And also also yeah, 757 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm driving. I guess I'm just not as confident with 758 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: my rig as you are with yours, because you're driving 759 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: down these roads just way faster than me. It's your 760 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,280 Speaker 1: way ahead of me. I can't see you anymore. I'm like, Okay, 761 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: if I blow a tire or if i'm if I 762 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 1: take the wrong turn, I'll never find him. And so 763 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 1: at one point there's a fork in the in the 764 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 1: road and I stopped and I'm like, well, the main 765 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: it seems like the road to the right is more established, 766 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: but that left one certainly could be a road he'd 767 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 1: go down and sat there like, man, it's the mill 768 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: of night. There's no cell phone set. I'm not gonna 769 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,840 Speaker 1: get turned like. You can't turn around a lot of 770 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: these roads. It's so narrow, like this is a nightmare. 771 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 1: But I finally did pick the right spot and I 772 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,879 Speaker 1: found you. It was so funny, man, I was because 773 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,760 Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself. I was like, man, you've 774 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,439 Speaker 1: really matured. You used to drive these roads so much. 775 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: Well that shows you how that is the lame of 776 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: a driver. I am. Well. This morning, when we were 777 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: driving out in the snow, though, again, I'm like, oh, 778 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: Ryan's gotta think I'm like the old grandma driver of 779 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 1: the world. But I haven't driven with these new tires 780 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: in my truck and snow yet. And then we're going 781 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: down these muddy dirt roads. I'm like, man, and The 782 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: last thing I want is like to start spin and 783 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: go off one of these big banks. I was creeping 784 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 1: in low geared going down those hills. Well, yeah, I 785 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: know that was gosh man. Yeah, so this morning was 786 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: super super cold. Um, we heard a bugle in the 787 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: middle of the night as we were shock a shock bugle. Yes, 788 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: we shocked, shocked, shocked bugle Smelk with her truck doors 789 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: canopy doors as we were going to bed. Um, and yeah, 790 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: it's just colder and cold this morning. I thought we 791 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: were going to get up and just I thought they're 792 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: gonna be lightening it up. Yeah, it was this cold weather. 793 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: We heard the beagle last night. I thought we wenna 794 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: start hiking and you were rip off a locator. Then 795 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: finally okay, here we go game plan huh. But yeah, 796 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: I mean it was cold enough to where like the ground, 797 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: the ground had like no squish to it, right, it 798 00:45:53,760 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: was like awkward uneven cement walking um and just kind 799 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: of do a little loop and it was gorgeous. And 800 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: then the snow started just like it was like more 801 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: so like wanted to rain, but it was just like 802 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,240 Speaker 1: at any given time you could see like a dozen 803 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,839 Speaker 1: snow flakes maybe um. And then then you pointed out 804 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,439 Speaker 1: the snow to me at that point, and then that's 805 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: when I go to you, like, man, I've got a 806 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,720 Speaker 1: Christmas carol stuck in my head. Immediately got chestnuts roasting 807 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: over an open fire playing in my head when I 808 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: saw the first snow of the year. You I mean 809 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: it was cold. I mean I was I was wearing. 810 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: We were both wearing a lot of clothes, and I 811 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 1: was surprised and and you know what I mean that, 812 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, the body, you know, just it's been 813 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 1: so warm and then to be have this type of cold, 814 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, your body needs to acclimatize. And I'm basically 815 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: wearing you know, what i'd be wearing if it were 816 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: you know, ten degrees, probably more than what I would 817 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: be wearing if there were ten degrees, and I was 818 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: actually doing so you think that maybe it wasn't the teens. 819 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, So I don't feel quite so bad 820 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 1: that pilot on the puffy stuff. Dude, it was cold. Um. 821 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,919 Speaker 1: And then so get into this meadow finally, and it's 822 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: just more of the same, no talking. Get into this 823 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: meadow and it's like, okay, well there is brand new 824 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: fresh tracks. Um uh you know, a big noticeable bowl track. 825 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 1: UM couple, you know, a cow and a calf and 826 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 1: a cow, um, And they kind of peeled through this gap, 827 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 1: and then we went through a different gap trying to 828 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: keep the wind right and I'm like, yeah, we're just 829 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: gonna follow tracks, and then we've ended up on what 830 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: to me was like a very noticeable like Raghorn bowl track, 831 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: and more so because it was separated from the group, 832 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: Like he's in proxid to the group, but he's not 833 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: a part of the group. But I'm like, okay, this 834 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: is young bull could have been a spike for all 835 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: we know, and you and you said to me like, 836 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: this is a great scenario, right, yes, So why why 837 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: did you think that the scenario we had was was 838 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: so good? Because those those young bulls um, you know, 839 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: like especially like late out there in the tracks. I 840 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: was like, oh, this guy's he wants to be a 841 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,800 Speaker 1: part of the group, but he's not a part of 842 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,760 Speaker 1: the group. If we become a welcoming group, he's gonna 843 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: march right in. Um. And so then I was not 844 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: bugling at all, just like really soft cal calls as 845 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: we kind of like slipped through that timber and continued 846 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: tracking these elks and and then like get to the 847 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,800 Speaker 1: spot where I was like, yeah, they gotta be betted 848 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: up here. What did you think that? What was about 849 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: the habitat? It's just something about like a lot of 850 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: times like you have like a nice contouring ridge and 851 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's relatively mellow, and then there'll be 852 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:12,040 Speaker 1: a face that's much steeper and heavily timbered, and to me, 853 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: that's like an elk bedding area. They like the steeper stuff. Yeah, 854 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: I mean not all the time, but I'm like, yes, 855 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 1: if I had to like draw this up, I'd be like, yeah, 856 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,279 Speaker 1: that's where they're gonna be. You basically pointed there's like 857 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: this knob up ahead of us, as timbered knob that 858 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 1: as you just said, this mellow ridge we are on 859 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: all so it' steper up that and their bed right there, 860 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: and yeah, so let me start making remove. So we 861 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: started making her move, and then it was just kind 862 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 1: of like almost like a repeat. Right. It's like you 863 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,720 Speaker 1: get on top of the ridge, the snow like really 864 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,319 Speaker 1: starts falling and it's kind of swirling around us in 865 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: every direction, and there go all of our tracks, um 866 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,440 Speaker 1: and Uh, I guess I should say like in that 867 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 1: kind of like hardened cement ground, those elk elk toes 868 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: were punched and through that stuff and leaving like very 869 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:09,840 Speaker 1: nice noticeable tracks. Um and man, it's an odd thing Montana, Idaho. 870 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,399 Speaker 1: I've had it happened a hundred percent of the time, 871 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 1: like where like a real snow day, it just shuts 872 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 1: everything down. And uh so we you know, I switched 873 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: over to bugles to try to like, okay, maybe we're 874 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 1: close enough and might fire something up last to Jefford 875 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 1: kind of last at she effort um and nothing and 876 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: we kind of you know, hit our tails and slunk 877 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: off for the track. So so we never really talked 878 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: about it. But why didn't we go push into that 879 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: betting air? Did you where it was? The snow? You're like, 880 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: you know what I was thinking? Maybe in your head 881 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: you were thinking this is getting like a serious snow 882 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 1: maybe we should get off the mountain before it gets worse? 883 00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: Was that? What was it going in mind? Or do 884 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: you think we're not gonna make this happen? It was 885 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 1: kind of a combination of like, Okay, how how much 886 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: do we want to push this? And um, yeah, like 887 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: the amount of snow that accumulated just in that brief 888 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,800 Speaker 1: window of it picking up like that was a pretty 889 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: darn treacherous drive off that mountain, So we probably made 890 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,080 Speaker 1: the good call. Who knows, well we we would just 891 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: told I think you were telling me this story, um, right, 892 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 1: were you telling me this story like an hour or 893 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,439 Speaker 1: two before about how you and a friend got caught 894 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,319 Speaker 1: in like the snowstorm deal like that, right, yeah, where 895 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,439 Speaker 1: it came out of nowhere and now we're I'm like, oh, well, 896 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,640 Speaker 1: now that's happening to us, how fast can we get 897 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: six inches pile up here? Yeah? We had this like, yeah, 898 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,960 Speaker 1: this spot that we had both hunted a bunch and 899 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: knew the area really well, and this inversion happened and 900 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: it was like this super wet snow that just like 901 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,319 Speaker 1: soaked through everything. Plus it was like super warm and 902 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,400 Speaker 1: you were dressed for super cold, and they're just like 903 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: no finding that happy medium. And it was a complete 904 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 1: complete white out, like you know, ten yards of visibility 905 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,480 Speaker 1: type of scenario, And it took us a long long 906 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,319 Speaker 1: time to find our way off this place that we 907 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you really really knew, but it was almost 908 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,919 Speaker 1: like a full vertigo situation. What's amazing how different things 909 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: look when it's all white. And then then if you 910 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,880 Speaker 1: can't see ahead of you at all on that wall 911 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,760 Speaker 1: of precipitation, that's it's all in the world. Yes, so definitely. 912 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean when you're out here in these areas and 913 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,600 Speaker 1: weather comes in, it it's just it's not like a 914 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,840 Speaker 1: snowstorm blown in. When I'm in Michigan and I've got 915 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,279 Speaker 1: quarter mile to the truck, you gotta think a little 916 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,799 Speaker 1: bit more like, is this something that you're prepared for? 917 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: Is is something that you're able to get out of? Um? 918 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's something that has to run through your 919 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,400 Speaker 1: head many times a year when you get something like 920 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,799 Speaker 1: that coming through. Oh yeah, all all the time, all 921 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,239 Speaker 1: the time. Um, And that was her hunt did. But 922 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: I do feel like we gave it a heck of 923 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: an effort, So I don't feel bad about that at all. 924 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah for having a weekend. Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, 925 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,240 Speaker 1: grown up here, I've had way worse, way worse l Kins. 926 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: You know, would you have done anything differently if you 927 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: like look back, Is there anything we could have done 928 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 1: to any mistakes we could have avoid other than I 929 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,320 Speaker 1: guess not being ready for those three to kim In. 930 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: I think honestly, the smart move would have probably been 931 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: after that first night um on our kind of multiday 932 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,319 Speaker 1: spot probably would have been like, Okay, we just need 933 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,600 Speaker 1: to cut our losses and bail um. The problem is 934 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 1: I would be sitting here right now being like, man, 935 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,839 Speaker 1: if we would have gone over that other ridge um 936 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,359 Speaker 1: and and just been like more cognizant of the time, 937 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: right and be like, okay, only have a weekend, let's 938 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,719 Speaker 1: just like turn and burn as many spots as we can, 939 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 1: um and just get that active bowl. I feel like 940 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,839 Speaker 1: there's some guy and we're talking about, you know, just 941 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,080 Speaker 1: the different styles stuff. There are some people that that's 942 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 1: all they do, right, They just drive from spots spot bugle, 943 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,319 Speaker 1: spots spot Bugle, And I guess it can work for 944 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: it yea yeah. But I mean the reality is like 945 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 1: we basically did that last night, and we had a 946 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,320 Speaker 1: bold Bugle at us right off the road and we're like, okay, 947 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,239 Speaker 1: well yeah here we go. Yeah, that's that's our plan 948 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: out for the morning. Perfect. So um yeah, man, I 949 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 1: don't know. Um yeah, it's just you gotta you gotta 950 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,320 Speaker 1: have like that rolodex of spots and be able to 951 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: go through them and definitely burn some shoe leather and um, 952 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,839 Speaker 1: you know, I think anybody that knows me knows I'm 953 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 1: not like the bast and maximizing my time. Uh, and 954 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,320 Speaker 1: so that's something I gotta get get that are on 955 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,680 Speaker 1: in the elk woods too. So it's funny that a 956 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,520 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that you've talked about here, as 957 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: far as the elk hunting public land elk hunting, it's 958 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: very similar public land white tail unting in that you 959 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 1: need to have a whole lot of different spots you 960 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,560 Speaker 1: can go check because you can't just depend on one 961 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,440 Speaker 1: spot because if there's so many different variables that can 962 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,759 Speaker 1: change on public land, one spot might be hot right now, 963 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 1: it might be horrible in two weeks. So having a 964 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,560 Speaker 1: lot of different options, a lot of different you know, 965 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,759 Speaker 1: scenarios play out. If a bunch of people show up, 966 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 1: you've got something else to fall back on. The same 967 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: thing with the aggressive tactics that you talked about, how 968 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 1: it might pay off on public land to go into 969 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,400 Speaker 1: a betting area because if you don't, someone might do 970 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: it tomorrow. Um, they might be betting some completely different area. 971 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 1: But if you know that there right now, you gotta 972 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 1: go with that, and a lot of the guys that 973 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,920 Speaker 1: are talking and a lot of that that betting scenario 974 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,880 Speaker 1: is certainly like if you've um taken note of some 975 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,320 Speaker 1: pressure at Yeah, so it's like no trucks at the trailhead, 976 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,360 Speaker 1: pretty darn confident I can leave these guys untill tomorrow. Yeah. 977 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,319 Speaker 1: That that typically typically a good good bed is to 978 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,640 Speaker 1: let him have that betting spot and catch him on 979 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,439 Speaker 1: the outside if if you know, you got a couple 980 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,440 Speaker 1: of days. But yeah, the flip side is definitely like 981 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: there are people all over I know these alk are 982 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,600 Speaker 1: betted right here. Um, and this is definitely like I'm 983 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,840 Speaker 1: up here, so that stands to reason somebody else is 984 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,319 Speaker 1: gonna walk up right, And I feel like that's the 985 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,440 Speaker 1: same thing a lot of people that are finding success 986 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,719 Speaker 1: on public land white deals, especially back in the Midwest 987 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,200 Speaker 1: or different more heavily pressured areas. That's becoming like the 988 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,160 Speaker 1: most consistent way to get the mature buck in those spots. 989 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,880 Speaker 1: You can't hang around the edges, you can't wait for 990 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: them to come to you. You have to go for 991 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,920 Speaker 1: those high risk, high reward type tactics. Get in that 992 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,480 Speaker 1: betting area and like you said it's high consequence, you 993 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: might ruin it, but that might be your only chance 994 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,919 Speaker 1: to actually get a shot too. And like you're saying, 995 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: if that's your only spot, it's like, well, you better 996 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 1: have a whole lot more spots. Yeah, you better, you know, 997 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,359 Speaker 1: be prepared for that. So I had a really good 998 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 1: time though. I appreciate you show me around and taking 999 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,239 Speaker 1: me out to some of your spots and we had 1000 00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,919 Speaker 1: a good time. Didn't didn't get an out, but good man, 1001 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,359 Speaker 1: good Yeah. You know, you know how it is. You're 1002 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:14,719 Speaker 1: always like, I hope they see that there is a 1003 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,640 Speaker 1: point in this, even though it doesn't seem like it. 1004 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:23,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like I am encouraging myself right now. Yeah, 1005 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I know. That's that's how hunting goes a lot, 1006 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,760 Speaker 1: So you just gotta put an I always, I don't 1007 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,760 Speaker 1: feel too bad about a hunt that doesn't end up 1008 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,040 Speaker 1: with me in the freezer. As long as I feel 1009 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,240 Speaker 1: like I didn't like take any shortcuts or I didn't 1010 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 1: do something. As long as I don't feel like I 1011 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,840 Speaker 1: pulled out without giving it everything I had, I'm okay. 1012 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,520 Speaker 1: But that's a horrible feeling if you ever, you know, 1013 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,160 Speaker 1: leave early or you're like, well, like I knew I 1014 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,880 Speaker 1: should have gone off that ridge, but it's so steep, 1015 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,400 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it. Um, I always want 1016 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,560 Speaker 1: to make sure I never have that feeling. So I 1017 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,400 Speaker 1: don't feel like we had that. I feel like we 1018 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,160 Speaker 1: did it. Do a brest of efforts so good, so 1019 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,880 Speaker 1: I can ask for good good Thank you for saying 1020 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,840 Speaker 1: that those nice things mark all right? Before moving on, 1021 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,160 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break to think our friends at 1022 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,800 Speaker 1: White Tailed Properties. This week. With white Tail Properties, we're 1023 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 1: drawn by Jeff Probes it lands specialists out of Missouri, 1024 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,960 Speaker 1: and Jeff is going to be telling us about shopping 1025 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:24,720 Speaker 1: for properties away from home. Well interestingly enough, um, I 1026 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 1: just became one of those buyers. I live in northeast Missouri, 1027 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,640 Speaker 1: but I just my wife and I just bought a 1028 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 1: farm in southeast Kansas. So you know, it opened my 1029 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,720 Speaker 1: eyes to what my buyers come, you know, go through 1030 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,800 Speaker 1: when they come into my area to buy a property, 1031 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: when they're when they're not from here. The biggest thing 1032 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 1: is is get to know the neighbors, find out what's 1033 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,680 Speaker 1: going on with the you know, most of the properties 1034 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,080 Speaker 1: we sell our for deer hunters, and if it's a 1035 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,400 Speaker 1: deer hunting property. Try to find out, you know, how 1036 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 1: the management's going on in the area for you know, 1037 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,080 Speaker 1: upper age class year if that's what you're after. Trying 1038 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,960 Speaker 1: to find out if there's any issues with any of 1039 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,280 Speaker 1: the neighbors around the property that you're looking out or 1040 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,000 Speaker 1: the area that you're looking at, and you know, get 1041 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,400 Speaker 1: to know get to know the neighbors because they live there, 1042 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,520 Speaker 1: they know everybody. They can refer you to people you 1043 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 1: might need help get the stuff down on the property. 1044 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: So I think first and foremost is to find out 1045 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,320 Speaker 1: the general scope of the neighborhood and get to know 1046 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,400 Speaker 1: the neighbors. If you'd like to learn more, and to 1047 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,120 Speaker 1: see the properties that Jeff currently has listed for sale, 1048 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:26,280 Speaker 1: visit white tail properties dot com, backslash probes. That's p 1049 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 1: r O p ST. While I got to though, right, 1050 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk about another issue on the public landfront, 1051 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:39,040 Speaker 1: not just chasing Alkina. But um here this is coming 1052 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:44,240 Speaker 1: out today is the twenty fourth, maybe in September, I think, 1053 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,960 Speaker 1: is what my watch tells me, and this podcast we're 1054 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,400 Speaker 1: coming out on like the seven or six of September. 1055 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,080 Speaker 1: Land and Water Conservation Fund. There's some big stuff happening 1056 00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,520 Speaker 1: here this week. Can you talk to us about what 1057 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: what's going on? What do we need to do on 1058 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,800 Speaker 1: that front? Yeah, So Land Water Conservation Fund UH. You 1059 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 1: know it doesn't sound like UM something that you use 1060 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:15,440 Speaker 1: every day, but UM, I mean so many communities benefit 1061 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 1: from this big and small. It's it's a uh basically 1062 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:29,160 Speaker 1: a tax on offshore oil gas leases UM UM that 1063 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 1: goes into a fund which is the fund part of LWCF, 1064 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:41,040 Speaker 1: and it it goes to lots of access UM and 1065 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,160 Speaker 1: lots of basically like think of like outdoor like things 1066 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,880 Speaker 1: that you can get people outdoors on easily, like UM, 1067 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:59,560 Speaker 1: bike paths, city parks um. Uh. If you like, walk 1068 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:06,200 Speaker 1: from UM the city up into UM an area that 1069 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,280 Speaker 1: everybody goes and walks their dog that but it's private 1070 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,920 Speaker 1: all around there. That's probably an LWCF easement. The LBCF 1071 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,880 Speaker 1: typically does matching funds UM and they work with private 1072 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:24,320 Speaker 1: landowners or that fund can be used in private land 1073 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:30,480 Speaker 1: situations that provide ease months through private land UM. You know, 1074 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,600 Speaker 1: full blown access UM like new boat ramps on rivers 1075 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:41,840 Speaker 1: and lakes UM again, parking areas, picnic tables, UM, bike 1076 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:47,960 Speaker 1: pass UM. Chances are everybody you know, benefits from l 1077 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:53,280 Speaker 1: WCF if they do anything semi active outside including if 1078 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,880 Speaker 1: that activity is just going down to the park. Um 1079 01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:05,080 Speaker 1: so UM. The land our Conservation Fund um has been 1080 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:10,760 Speaker 1: is something that needs to be reauthorized. And you know 1081 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,560 Speaker 1: we've been fighting, advocating rather for a long time to 1082 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:20,280 Speaker 1: get this thing permanently authorized. UM. A vote just went 1083 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:26,320 Speaker 1: through the I believe the twelfth of September two permanently 1084 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:31,920 Speaker 1: reauthorized Land Water Conservation Fund, which sounds fantastic. However this 1085 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,960 Speaker 1: was a committee ville right the next and however, what 1086 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,880 Speaker 1: we need is funding in the fund, and they have 1087 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:48,360 Speaker 1: not authorized how much funding uh it will receive. UM. 1088 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:53,080 Speaker 1: We would like, you know, permanent reauthorization and fully funding. 1089 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,120 Speaker 1: It has been fully funded like almost ever for a 1090 01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,600 Speaker 1: very long period, right correct, Yes, yeah, and we're talking 1091 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:05,920 Speaker 1: about a big chunk of money. UM. And again uh 1092 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,080 Speaker 1: you can um, you know, you can utilize those funds 1093 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,640 Speaker 1: to either match funds that you already have, which is 1094 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:20,640 Speaker 1: the most common um or um. Sometimes you can get um, 1095 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, a full grant basically from LWCF to on 1096 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,560 Speaker 1: a on a particular project if it shows value. So 1097 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,520 Speaker 1: and it's something I was just reading in Bugle magazine 1098 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,600 Speaker 1: on the way out here. I think it was. I 1099 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,280 Speaker 1: think it was in Wisconsin, maybe where they fountain that 1100 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,760 Speaker 1: where they've got their elk herd. Maybe Minnesota. I can't 1101 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,400 Speaker 1: remember which. But there's a scenario where you know, there's 1102 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 1: this large chunk of state land, state forest or national 1103 01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,880 Speaker 1: forest up there where they're herd is and a piece 1104 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,800 Speaker 1: of private land right in the center of it, kind 1105 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,080 Speaker 1: of some core habitat was going out for sale, and 1106 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,040 Speaker 1: if it were sold private landowners is likely going to 1107 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,240 Speaker 1: be subdivided into houses and stuff like that, kind of 1108 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,200 Speaker 1: right in the core. That's great habitat, great hunting opportunity. 1109 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,680 Speaker 1: And so instead of that being sold off to someone 1110 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,560 Speaker 1: to be developed, um, the state was able to I 1111 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,040 Speaker 1: think this is right. I think between between r m 1112 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,240 Speaker 1: F and the state, they were able to pool funds 1113 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,600 Speaker 1: and then get LWCF money is to help acquire that 1114 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,720 Speaker 1: land and then give it back to the state to 1115 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,240 Speaker 1: become public land open to hunting, wildlife, all that kind 1116 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,439 Speaker 1: of stuff. That was a cool example of how they're 1117 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,560 Speaker 1: using that I mean direct benefit to hunters right there. 1118 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,440 Speaker 1: I mean, great example. And and you know, when these 1119 01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 1: deals go down, it's not like they're doing it on 1120 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,000 Speaker 1: the cheap. You know, it's it's market value. It's it's 1121 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,720 Speaker 1: a lot of money. Yeah, but obviously it's you know, 1122 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:48,240 Speaker 1: that scenario is a perfect one because it's it is 1123 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:55,360 Speaker 1: market value, and the market is again a favor um, 1124 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, subdivisions a lot more than it's gonna favor 1125 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,080 Speaker 1: open land that uh help get to live on. And 1126 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,840 Speaker 1: I feel like, not very it would be very unlikely 1127 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 1: that a state or DNR or whatever could pull off 1128 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,000 Speaker 1: something like that without the help of these programs, right, 1129 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,560 Speaker 1: and organizations like Rocky Mountain, Elk Foundation others that can 1130 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,160 Speaker 1: help coordinate these things and bring people together on that front. 1131 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,280 Speaker 1: But you know, they need this l w CF to 1132 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,800 Speaker 1: be able to finance that kind of stuff, to be 1133 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,000 Speaker 1: able to protect these final places and these special little spots. 1134 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,320 Speaker 1: I feel like it's been used a lot to help 1135 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,280 Speaker 1: open access to landlocked public land to right. Yes, that's 1136 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,240 Speaker 1: something I've read a lot about. So it's something that 1137 01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:38,920 Speaker 1: catch my Idaho where I live, like every subdivision um 1138 01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:44,000 Speaker 1: has basically an LWCF funded easement through through the private 1139 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:49,720 Speaker 1: property into the public land. So this vote or I guess, basically, 1140 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,320 Speaker 1: what what do we need to do or what can 1141 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,600 Speaker 1: we do to make sure not only it gets permanently reauthorized, 1142 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,440 Speaker 1: but also funded. And what's the timeline? It is absolutely 1143 01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,600 Speaker 1: critical as fast as as your finger yours can fly. 1144 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:07,320 Speaker 1: You know, Um, you don't really just call you're elected 1145 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,200 Speaker 1: officials and say, hey, I benefit greatly from this. I 1146 01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:16,760 Speaker 1: want I want you to vote or advocate or take 1147 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,520 Speaker 1: a leadership position that that to fully fund Land Water 1148 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,680 Speaker 1: Conservation Fund. Um. Something that you need to realize is 1149 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,760 Speaker 1: this is not You're not gonna see anything tax based 1150 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,480 Speaker 1: regards to this. This is something that is that has 1151 01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:38,720 Speaker 1: nothing to do tax wise with you locally. Um. This 1152 01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:44,600 Speaker 1: is literally when these oil and gas leases are activated, 1153 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:52,360 Speaker 1: there is tax that puts this money aside. And basically 1154 01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,000 Speaker 1: what they need to vote on is to utilize those 1155 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 1: funds and how much of those funds. And this isn't 1156 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,320 Speaker 1: just a Western state issue, not at all. If you're 1157 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,440 Speaker 1: in New York or Alabama, I mean you should be 1158 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 1: calling your represents just as much there as if you 1159 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,000 Speaker 1: live in Montana. Yeah. I mean, if you have a 1160 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,080 Speaker 1: dog in a big city, chances are you're walking it 1161 01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,000 Speaker 1: into something that LWCF had a part of the same 1162 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:19,040 Speaker 1: with your kids. Um, it, yeah, man, I mean it's 1163 01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,280 Speaker 1: it's critical. Um. I guess we could talk about like 1164 01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,040 Speaker 1: the negative side of things is, you know, the detractors 1165 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,520 Speaker 1: from this say, well, they're the funds aren't being used efficiently. Um. 1166 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:34,040 Speaker 1: That's something reppround Bishop uh would would always hang his 1167 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,840 Speaker 1: hat on. And the fact of the matter is, Um, 1168 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's definitely some cases there and everybody 1169 01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:42,960 Speaker 1: you know who probably could do a heck of a 1170 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:47,160 Speaker 1: lot better job of spending their funds efficiently. Um. But 1171 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, in this day and age, we're likely not 1172 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:57,040 Speaker 1: going to see some bipartisan, you know, unanimous vote to 1173 01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:03,680 Speaker 1: tax anybody and have those funds be used for wildlife again, 1174 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,640 Speaker 1: so their habitat and wildlife and access again. This is 1175 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,760 Speaker 1: one of those another byproduct of the of the sixties 1176 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,920 Speaker 1: where we got so many different programs like this in place, right. 1177 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's when the LBCF was put in place. 1178 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,000 Speaker 1: Was some point in the sixties or early seventies somewhere 1179 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,760 Speaker 1: out there that that, to your point, that was this 1180 01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,519 Speaker 1: kind of odd time where there's bipartis and support for 1181 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,639 Speaker 1: so many things related to conservation in the environment. I mean, 1182 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,920 Speaker 1: incredible landmark regulations and laws are put in place during 1183 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,559 Speaker 1: that time period that we benefit from now. But there's 1184 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,320 Speaker 1: no way they could happen now, Like odds are no. Yeah, 1185 01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to say no way, Like I still 1186 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:45,439 Speaker 1: got some some faith out there. Um, but you know, 1187 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:49,519 Speaker 1: I mean to be completely honest. Um. You know when 1188 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,000 Speaker 1: I was in in d C the middle of the month, 1189 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, part of the spiel is is definitely like listen, 1190 01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:03,439 Speaker 1: if you aren't to vote on behalf of you know, 1191 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,960 Speaker 1: public lands access. Um, you know, I'm gonna vote for 1192 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:13,520 Speaker 1: somebody who will. Yeah, And and that's our job as voters, 1193 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,800 Speaker 1: is you know this is not as much as we 1194 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,080 Speaker 1: want to think that somebody else is just going to 1195 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,120 Speaker 1: go out there and do the job for us. The 1196 01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,120 Speaker 1: whole system, this whole crazy democracy system that we have 1197 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:31,519 Speaker 1: here in the US, is based around active participation. And 1198 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,800 Speaker 1: so you actively get up and vote, You actively keep 1199 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,519 Speaker 1: tabs on your elected officials. You put them in office. 1200 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,880 Speaker 1: They're supposed to represent you and your interests. You need 1201 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,960 Speaker 1: to let them know what your interests are and how 1202 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,080 Speaker 1: you want to be represented. And that's the way the 1203 01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,120 Speaker 1: system works. And you've got to be the squeaky wheel 1204 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,960 Speaker 1: on a lot of this, And I feel like for 1205 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,400 Speaker 1: so many people today we identify as hunters or anglers. 1206 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,559 Speaker 1: Is like that's how we identify. It's for a lot 1207 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,240 Speaker 1: of us, it's not just like some little hobby we 1208 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,120 Speaker 1: do one week a year or weekend a year like 1209 01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,000 Speaker 1: that is like our who we are. And if that 1210 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,559 Speaker 1: is who you are, then what allows us to be 1211 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,120 Speaker 1: that person to live that life? Are these places? The wildlife? 1212 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,439 Speaker 1: These wild places. I mean, there's not many other people 1213 01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,439 Speaker 1: that are speak up for him, you know. It's it's 1214 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,320 Speaker 1: Theodore Roosevelt said, Uh, these animals and place you can't 1215 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:29,120 Speaker 1: speak for themselves. So we have to. Yes, and we 1216 01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:37,960 Speaker 1: have a giant tracko uh driving driving into check us out. 1217 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,080 Speaker 1: I wonder what that was. Unfortunately they move it like 1218 01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:53,040 Speaker 1: one mile an hour. Um uh, but yeah, it it 1219 01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,320 Speaker 1: is man. I mean, it's a lot of folks like, 1220 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,439 Speaker 1: oh well, I don't like being political. This isn't political. 1221 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,680 Speaker 1: This is just the system that we're in. And you 1222 01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:07,360 Speaker 1: gotta participate, um and stand up for what you believe 1223 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,759 Speaker 1: in because nobody else will. And it's you know, everybody's busy. 1224 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,960 Speaker 1: Everybody's busy, and they're gonna take the path at least 1225 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,240 Speaker 1: resistance is the unfortunate thing that I've learned. So you 1226 01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:21,840 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta get in there and you gotta say 1227 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,400 Speaker 1: this is you know, this is what I do. These 1228 01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,839 Speaker 1: are the programs that support it. You need to support 1229 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,439 Speaker 1: those programs and don't let them off the hook. So 1230 01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,800 Speaker 1: on this front, what's happening. Why is September important date 1231 01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,479 Speaker 1: for us to make these phone calls before? So I've 1232 01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,560 Speaker 1: been seeing that that date throw around. Yes, September is 1233 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:47,240 Speaker 1: supposed to be like when like House Appropriations Committee UM 1234 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,400 Speaker 1: is supposed to have all their ducks in a row 1235 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:56,599 Speaker 1: for um UH, basically going forward with with the budget 1236 01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:01,439 Speaker 1: for this year. So if you hear this in real 1237 01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:08,000 Speaker 1: time on the ninth September two eighteen, give your representatives 1238 01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,040 Speaker 1: a call, let them know that you care about l WCF, 1239 01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,720 Speaker 1: that it's benefiting you and other hunters and anglers and 1240 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:18,479 Speaker 1: outdoorrect creators. And that's something that's a very quick I mean, 1241 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,400 Speaker 1: does it take very long place a quick phone call. 1242 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,320 Speaker 1: Lots of times you'll leave a voicemail or talk to 1243 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,040 Speaker 1: a secretary or something, but that stuff, it takes five 1244 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,120 Speaker 1: minutes of your time, and it adds up and makes 1245 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,080 Speaker 1: a difference, doesn't it. Oh, it adds up. It makes 1246 01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:35,600 Speaker 1: huge difference. And and the man, it is so so easy, 1247 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:40,679 Speaker 1: and it is not like I'm not somebody who likes 1248 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:45,120 Speaker 1: conflict at all, and this is not conflict at all. 1249 01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,160 Speaker 1: Their job when they pick up the phone is to 1250 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,320 Speaker 1: listen to you. They ask you where you're from so 1251 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,960 Speaker 1: they can make sure that you're you know, you're in 1252 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:59,800 Speaker 1: their district or not. Um. And and that's basically it say, Hey, 1253 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,000 Speaker 1: I wanna you know, I need need to let my 1254 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:07,400 Speaker 1: congressman know or my state senator know that this is 1255 01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,400 Speaker 1: extremely important to me. Um. You know, it absolutely helps 1256 01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,000 Speaker 1: if you're part of the tax base. And and you know, 1257 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,960 Speaker 1: if you have that story about like listen, boy, I 1258 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:23,479 Speaker 1: just you know, moved to this place with my three kids, 1259 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:30,000 Speaker 1: and this is a huge part of why I moved here. Um. 1260 01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:35,680 Speaker 1: That's a that's a very important thing. It's big economic impact. UM. 1261 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,120 Speaker 1: And you know, as we see a lot of folks 1262 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,400 Speaker 1: come into these Western states, you know, it's like the 1263 01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:49,479 Speaker 1: time to get this infrastructure in places yesterday. Like the 1264 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,559 Speaker 1: more we can do right on the front end, the 1265 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,360 Speaker 1: better it's going to be for generations and generations to come. UM. 1266 01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,479 Speaker 1: And the tool is sitting there, and we gotta figure 1267 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,640 Speaker 1: out why the heck these folks aren't using that and 1268 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,360 Speaker 1: and make sure they pick it up again and start 1269 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,320 Speaker 1: getting these easy monts in place, and and and get 1270 01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:16,960 Speaker 1: that funding, you know, ideally fully funded permanently. I hope 1271 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,360 Speaker 1: it happens. I was glad to see that the votes 1272 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,720 Speaker 1: went well earlier this month through the committee. But to 1273 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,240 Speaker 1: your point, we still have work to do. So if 1274 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:30,440 Speaker 1: we can get you know, we got tens of thousands 1275 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,599 Speaker 1: of people who could pick up the phone and if 1276 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,639 Speaker 1: we all did that, that would make a real big 1277 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,479 Speaker 1: noise in d C and across the state capitals, across 1278 01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,200 Speaker 1: the country of all sorts of hunters and anglers started saying, Hey, 1279 01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,360 Speaker 1: this matters, this is something we care about. So we 1280 01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:45,880 Speaker 1: do have a lot of power. I think we've shown 1281 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,840 Speaker 1: that in some of these past things over the last 1282 01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,960 Speaker 1: year or two that when we stand up and make 1283 01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,559 Speaker 1: some noise around issues like this, politicians take notice. And 1284 01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:58,120 Speaker 1: we need to you know, wield our wield that big stick. Sometimes. 1285 01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,960 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And you know your your buddies over there 1286 01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:06,080 Speaker 1: at on X and uh Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership, you 1287 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,439 Speaker 1: know they just released UM, you know, something that we've 1288 01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,880 Speaker 1: all known about, but they did a great report and 1289 01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,439 Speaker 1: you know, laid out in a way that anybody can 1290 01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:21,080 Speaker 1: follow about how much land that we're currently paying for 1291 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:25,840 Speaker 1: that we have no access to landlocked public land um 1292 01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,839 Speaker 1: all across the US, and LBCF is one of the 1293 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,599 Speaker 1: tools that you can use to unlock those gates. Literally, 1294 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,439 Speaker 1: when I was in on my Montana and white Tail 1295 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,800 Speaker 1: hunt a few weeks ago, I was dealing with that. 1296 01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,479 Speaker 1: I wanted to be there's public land, great looking public 1297 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,080 Speaker 1: land that I couldn't access because there's private landing between 1298 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,920 Speaker 1: me and the road, and I had to go get 1299 01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:47,920 Speaker 1: permission to get to those spots, and some of the 1300 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,080 Speaker 1: people wouldn't give me that permission, and it's kind of frustrating. 1301 01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,439 Speaker 1: This is public land, this land I own, UM that 1302 01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,080 Speaker 1: essentially becomes private land because of that. UM. So this is, 1303 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,519 Speaker 1: like you said, l WC d F. L WCF is 1304 01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,479 Speaker 1: a great tool to to fix that. If you're one 1305 01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,559 Speaker 1: of those folks, it's like all the fans have too 1306 01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:13,879 Speaker 1: much ground already. Well call an advocate for LBCF, because 1307 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,960 Speaker 1: we should at least be able to access the ground 1308 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:23,360 Speaker 1: that we already have, right um, you know, and the 1309 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,519 Speaker 1: reality is is we need more, we need more access, 1310 01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,280 Speaker 1: we need we need more more ground out here. And 1311 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, the population is growing and and we like 1312 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,120 Speaker 1: our wild and free places. And that's you know, how 1313 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,599 Speaker 1: America was founded. To get kind of cheesy. But um, 1314 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:44,800 Speaker 1: I don't fence me in, man. Man, I'm right there 1315 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,160 Speaker 1: with you. Every time I get to take some time 1316 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,599 Speaker 1: away from the office and get out, whether it be 1317 01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,400 Speaker 1: driving around the back roads in northern Michigan or out 1318 01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,520 Speaker 1: here in Montana, and it is just such an incredible 1319 01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,040 Speaker 1: feeling to know that you can step out at the 1320 01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,160 Speaker 1: truck door and walk for miles and that's that's land 1321 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,400 Speaker 1: open to every one of us, and you can hunt it. 1322 01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,639 Speaker 1: You can forge for mushrooms, you can fish, you can hike, 1323 01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:08,439 Speaker 1: you can just sit down and have a picnic. To 1324 01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,040 Speaker 1: still have places where you can get away from the 1325 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,639 Speaker 1: hustling and bustling, the noise and the smog and the traffic. 1326 01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know in today's world, I don't 1327 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,480 Speaker 1: know how you could live without places like that, absolutely 1328 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,840 Speaker 1: escape from it all. I know, like one of the 1329 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,640 Speaker 1: roads just up behind us, Um it was not a 1330 01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,800 Speaker 1: good elk hunting spot. But you'd always get like nice 1331 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,200 Speaker 1: afternoon sun. I don't know when the wind was blown 1332 01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:37,040 Speaker 1: in these lodgepool pine You know, I couldn't hear a 1333 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,280 Speaker 1: bugle to save my life. And you know I'd pull 1334 01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:40,880 Speaker 1: in there and just lay in the sun with my 1335 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,000 Speaker 1: dogs and read a book. And if that's all the 1336 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,800 Speaker 1: value it has to you, pick up the damn phone. Yeah, 1337 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:53,320 Speaker 1: good stuff. Well, is there any other final plugs you 1338 01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,880 Speaker 1: want to make, any projects or any anything you want 1339 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,040 Speaker 1: to make sure he's out there in the world that 1340 01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,519 Speaker 1: we need to pay attention to other than what's happened 1341 01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:05,120 Speaker 1: with LWCF. Um, you know, you know, really we have. UM. 1342 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:12,320 Speaker 1: I want to see more active participation in in these 1343 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,760 Speaker 1: advocacy fights that we need to be a part of, 1344 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:21,920 Speaker 1: as you know, people who enjoy the outdoors period. So um. 1345 01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:26,240 Speaker 1: You know, I think we got mid term elections coming up. UM, 1346 01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:33,240 Speaker 1: I'd love to see just a higher voter turnout period. Um, 1347 01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,880 Speaker 1: because man, it's dismal. And when you travel to other 1348 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:42,240 Speaker 1: countries and you tell them how few people vote in America, 1349 01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,559 Speaker 1: they look at us like we're the stupidest people on 1350 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,000 Speaker 1: the planet. Um. So i'd I'd love to see those 1351 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,559 Speaker 1: numbers start cranking up. And i'd love to see folks, 1352 01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, vote vote on behalf of public lands man hunting, fishing, 1353 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,160 Speaker 1: public lands, while life wild places. That's one of our 1354 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:06,200 Speaker 1: greatest tools, that vote. And we're seeing we're seeing the 1355 01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:11,439 Speaker 1: public lands uh get thrown around is starting to get 1356 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,720 Speaker 1: tossed back and forth as this political football. And we 1357 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,960 Speaker 1: know the politicians are paying attention to it, um, but 1358 01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,519 Speaker 1: they also need to know that there's some consequences there too. 1359 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,920 Speaker 1: So all right, well, good stuff, Ryan. I appreciate the 1360 01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:26,920 Speaker 1: work that you're doing, you know, spreading the word about 1361 01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,200 Speaker 1: these things and working on a lot of different programs, 1362 01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,400 Speaker 1: going to d C talking to people about this. UM. 1363 01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,720 Speaker 1: As a hunter angler myself, I'm glad there's people like 1364 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,600 Speaker 1: you leading the charge. So thank you for that. And 1365 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,600 Speaker 1: thanks for leading the flat land around the mountains for 1366 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,040 Speaker 1: a few days. Oh man, great attitude. Thank you very much. Now, 1367 01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,400 Speaker 1: it's a pleasure being in the woods with you and UM. 1368 01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,639 Speaker 1: And like I said, coming off the mountain today, even then, 1369 01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,519 Speaker 1: though it didn't see like it seemed like it, I 1370 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:55,519 Speaker 1: think we'll have that you know, successful very heavy pack 1371 01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,880 Speaker 1: out here in the near future. So we'll make it 1372 01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:03,360 Speaker 1: happen eventually, Yester, and that is it today, and we 1373 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,000 Speaker 1: didn't get to talk about on this episode, but when 1374 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,120 Speaker 1: you hear from me next it will be white tail 1375 01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:12,000 Speaker 1: season here in Michigan and across most of the rest 1376 01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:16,120 Speaker 1: of the country. So man, best time of year, very 1377 01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,800 Speaker 1: exciting things to come, lots of stories, hopefully an update 1378 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:21,920 Speaker 1: on holy Field and all those things I will be 1379 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,000 Speaker 1: sharing not just here on the podcast, but also on 1380 01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,840 Speaker 1: the wired Hunt Instagram account also on the wired Hunt 1381 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,519 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, so make sure you're checking out all of 1382 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,880 Speaker 1: those things. Will be keeping you posted. Thank you for 1383 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,200 Speaker 1: following along, Good luck out in the woods. Until next time, 1384 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,280 Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt.