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Speaker 2: What's going on, everyone, Emily a body Here. You are

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Speaker 2: listening to a Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I

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Speaker 2: This episode is really special for me. You have all

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Speaker 2: Make sure you're following along on social over at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: you have to create an environment that allows them to

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Speaker 1: be themselves, and that's how you tell their story. That's

443
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Speaker 1: how you make sure that you are representing who they

444
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Speaker 1: truly are instead of, you know, a pose, stage moment.

445
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: It's really about finding those organic, candid moments, and that

446
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Speaker 1: starts with the relationship outside of the set or off

447
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Speaker 1: of the camera.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine that that can be a bit challenging

449
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Speaker 2: the more high profile your subject gets to be, not

450
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Speaker 2: only because you might not have a ton of time

451
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Speaker 2: to establish that level of comfortability, but also because candidly,

452
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Speaker 2: they probably haven't experienced a lot of folks that believe

453
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Speaker 2: in that mentality as well.

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Speaker 1: No, it's so true, and that we are in that

455
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Speaker 1: position a lot where we do not have a ton

456
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Speaker 1: of time with people, and nor do we have pre

457
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Speaker 1: production time or calls beforehand. A lot of times we're

458
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Speaker 1: just genuinely thrown into the fire and have to kind

459
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Speaker 1: of execute in these really small amount of times. And

460
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Speaker 1: in those moments, I think I'm pretty disarming. I think

461
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Speaker 1: that I walk in with an aura of this is

462
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Speaker 1: going to be fun and light and we're going to

463
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Speaker 1: get what we need to get done, but we're going

464
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Speaker 1: to do it in a way that feels comfortable, and

465
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Speaker 1: that I think is the difference.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have to.

467
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Speaker 1: Be this strict, harsh, you know, black and white thing.

468
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Speaker 1: It's very much a creative flow. And I think that

469
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Speaker 1: you know, in those moments where I am tight on time,

470
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Speaker 1: that's that's how I go into them.

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Speaker 2: How do you manage stress? How do you manage pressure? Giggles?

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Speaker 1: How do I manage stress? And how do I manage pressure?

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Speaker 1: I I'm really working on it. I go to therapy

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Speaker 1: quite a bit to find these coping mechanisms for myself,

475
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Speaker 1: and a lot of times that is movement for me

476
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Speaker 1: truly again taking my day day by day and hour

477
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Speaker 1: by hour and making sure that I have some structure

478
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Speaker 1: in my brain for the lack of structure elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: It's something that I'm that I'm working through.

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Speaker 1: But it's small moments that I can find where I

481
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Speaker 1: can reset myself, and it's leaning on my people as well.

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Speaker 2: So you walk into a photo shoot and you've had

483
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Speaker 2: no pre time with an athlete, and you you need

484
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Speaker 2: to produce something and you have eighteen minutes.

485
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Speaker 1: Okay, I honestly think I like blackout during these things,

486
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Speaker 1: Like I think, you know, one of the things that

487
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Speaker 1: I've struggled with in my life is trusting myself, And

488
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Speaker 1: those are one of the moments where I fully just

489
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Speaker 1: trust myself to go into like autopilot in a good way.

490
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Speaker 1: Like I walk in and I just know that everything

491
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Speaker 1: that I've done and I've worked for, and the things

492
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Speaker 1: that I've practiced and tried, and the shoots that I've

493
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Speaker 1: done in the past are going to show up in

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Speaker 1: that moment.

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Speaker 3: It's just like playing a sport.

496
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Speaker 1: It's just like running a marathon or whatever you're doing,

497
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Speaker 1: whatever challenge or athletic challenges that you have, you do

498
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Speaker 1: the work so that when you show up for the competition,

499
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Speaker 1: you don't have to think about it. That's how I

500
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Speaker 1: go into these things when I'm strapped for time and

501
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Speaker 1: have eighteen minutes with you know whoever to make magic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the magic can't always happen. So if you

503
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Speaker 2: had to identify or like reflect on over the last

504
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Speaker 2: two and a half years and where it felt like

505
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't contained, where everything was going wrong, what comes

506
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Speaker 2: to mind?

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Speaker 1: I think for me, it's it's managing the chaos of

508
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Speaker 1: the many projects that we have going on because it's

509
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Speaker 1: not we don't have as many one and done shoots anymore.

510
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of pre and pro production involved in it.

511
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Speaker 1: And I've had to learn to have tremendous grace with myself.

512
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: So I have ADHD and like severe ADHD. And I

513
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Speaker 1: feel like that term is kind of overused, and I

514
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Speaker 1: think it's misunderstood, and I think people are like, oh,

515
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Speaker 1: I'm so ADHD. And if you have it, you know

516
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Speaker 1: how it can affect your life. You've seen it versand

517
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Speaker 1: to your life.

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Speaker 3: So you know there's a lot of components that go

519
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Speaker 3: with it.

520
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of forgetfulness, it's a lot of there's

521
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Speaker 1: a lot of chaos.

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Speaker 3: Going on in your brain.

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Speaker 1: You don't work the same way that everybody else works,

524
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Speaker 1: you don't think the same way that everybody else thinks,

525
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Speaker 1: and you kind of have to learn to work with

526
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Speaker 1: your brain.

527
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Speaker 3: Instead of against it.

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Speaker 1: And I think I'm unlearning all of these things that

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Speaker 1: I thought that I had to do in order to

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Speaker 1: be a productive person or to feel like I have

531
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Speaker 1: self worth that's tied to that.

532
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Speaker 3: And so I'm going through.

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Speaker 1: This process right now of especially having my own business

534
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: and managing my own time versus working in nine to five,

535
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: figuring out when do I find my flow, how do

536
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: I balance discipline and organization with the grace of knowing

537
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: that I focus better at night or at ten am.

538
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Speaker 1: Or It's learning to kind of work with my brain

539
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: and the way that it wants to versus trying to

540
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Speaker 1: fight it and get mad at myself if I'm not

541
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Speaker 1: working the same way that Sean's working or someone else

542
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: is working. And so that process has been challenging for me,

543
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Speaker 1: being in these situations where I've never been in before,

544
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: managing a million different projects and doing all these different

545
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: things and learning all of it at the same time.

546
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Speaker 1: So It's been a process, but I'm getting there and

547
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Speaker 1: I'm understanding how to work with myself and have ADHD.

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Speaker 2: I think it's so impressive this attitude and understanding of

549
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: I am a beginner. Still there is still so much

550
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Speaker 2: more for me to learn, and I've never done this before.

551
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: So how can I sit here and expect to have

552
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Speaker 2: all the answers? And you only get to be a

553
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: beginner once. So being present in that process, despite its frustrations,

554
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: can be such a valuable experience. Now two and a

555
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: half years in, you know so much more than you

556
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: did when we sat down and had coffee three years ago,

557
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: so much that you never even anticipated to learn, and

558
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Speaker 2: you're doing things that you never even anticipated that you

559
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: would do. When I say that to you, how does

560
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: that make you feel?

561
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of myself. I truly am.

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Speaker 1: Something that I feel specifically proud of myself for is

563
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: my ability to stay super grounded and grateful in every

564
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Speaker 1: single project that we do.

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Speaker 3: I never take anything for granted, and.

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Speaker 1: Every single day I wake up, no matter how tired

567
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Speaker 1: I am, and think to myself, this is more than

568
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Speaker 1: I could have ever dreamed of, and I never want

569
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Speaker 1: to lose that, and I also never want to lose

570
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Speaker 1: my eagerness to learn. I know I don't know everything,

571
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: and I know I never will. That understanding is going

572
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: to get me so much further than how I used

573
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: to be, where I would go into meetings or I

574
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: go into, you know, to conversations with people and try

575
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: to act like I knew the stuff that I didn't like.

576
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Speaker 1: It's the way that I opened up and my everything

577
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: just was opened up for me when I sat down,

578
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: I said I don't know everything. When I fully just

579
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Speaker 1: had a moment, I was like, it's okay, you don't

580
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: have to know everything. And if people think less of

581
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: you because you're admitting that, then they're not the right

582
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: people for you.

583
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: It is okay. It's more than okay.

584
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: It means that you're going to open more doors because

585
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Speaker 1: you're willing to learn and bring things.

586
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: In hard facts and then you open yourself up to

587
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: learn from people and that is the most beautiful, beautiful experience.

588
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Speaker 2: It's like, I don't want to be in a room

589
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Speaker 2: where I'm the smartest person in the room. I don't

590
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Speaker 2: know if that will ever happen in my life, but

591
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Speaker 2: I don't want to be in that room. Right. I

592
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: want to be in the place where I have the

593
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Speaker 2: opportunity to absorb like a sponge from so many amazing

594
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Speaker 2: and wonderful people around me. I will never forget you

595
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: and I sitting at dinner in Paris when the opportunity

596
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: to shoot someone Biles was presented to you, and the

597
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: first thing that we did was call another photographer to

598
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Speaker 2: be like, Okay, what happens now. That was invigorating, exhilarating,

599
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: and there was never a moment when we were standing

600
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Speaker 2: on that patio staring at the Eiffel Tower that I

601
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: thought to myself, we are doing the wrong thing by

602
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: admitting that we don't know everything.

603
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Speaker 1: And they were so gracious and so helpful, and I

604
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Speaker 1: think that goes to show that most people are willing

605
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Speaker 1: to help you when you need it, and are excited

606
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Speaker 1: to help you. And you know, it's also paying it

607
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: forward and feeling like if you need the help, then

608
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Speaker 1: someone else probably needs it to And I think that,

609
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Speaker 1: you know, I like to believe the good in people,

610
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: but you know, this person specifically was just on it,

611
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: ready to help. And that has been my experience, luckily,

612
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: when I reach out for it.

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Speaker 2: and that means adding in creatine and collagen to the mix. Now,

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665
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: out for help. What was it like for you to

666
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: start hiring people more regularly. How did that feel for you?

667
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: It was definitely a learning curve. Sean had worked in

668
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: a producer role before, so he was very confident in

669
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: being able to lead the charge there. I think for

670
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: me it was it was definitely I'd obviously worked on

671
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: teams and worked with people, and that wasn't new. It

672
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: was more so the fact that this was a business now,

673
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: this was a.

674
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: Team that we were building.

675
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: This is no longer just us freelancing, but this was

676
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: us growing our network and building relationships and having this

677
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: transactional process with someone while making sure they feel good

678
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: and we're getting what we need.

679
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 3: And so I think, you know, the business side of

680
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: things was very interesting. But also.

681
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: From the personal side, I'm a mushy, gushy relationship girly,

682
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: like I like to have these relationships with people, and

683
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 1: it was like the negotiation of rates and making sure

684
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,479
Speaker 1: that like we had this very professional relationship but also

685
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: had a good relationship was something that I had to

686
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: kind of find a really good balance of and so

687
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: that was a bit of a bit of a learning

688
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: curve for me for sure. But we figured it out,

689
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: and I think we're building a really nice culture of

690
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: making sure people feel appreciated and excited and like they

691
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: enjoy working with us, which is obviously the hope.

692
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really challenging. This I care so much about people,

693
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: and also I need to do my job. This balance

694
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: of being kind but firm, being someone that people want

695
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: to work with, but also someone that people feel compelled

696
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: to respect, upholding your values and your moral compass while

697
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 2: getting a job done. It's so challenging. And I really

698
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: hear you and sympathize with you when you talk about

699
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: wanting to be everybody's buddy but then also needing to

700
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: get shit done. It's challenging.

701
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: It's really hard, and it's really it's really tough. Because yeah,

702
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm always a relationship first person and the kind but

703
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: firm is something that you've said to me in general

704
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: in the past, and I think about that all the time, because, yeah,

705
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: it's easy, especially as a woman in some of these spaces,

706
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: to feel like.

707
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: You understand who.

708
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: You are and what your goal is and you think

709
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: that there's a certain way to get there, and there

710
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: should be.

711
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: It should be through kindness and.

712
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: It should be through collaboration. It's not always that way,

713
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: and so understanding your boundaries and where you hold firm

714
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: is really important and something I've definitely seen growth with

715
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: over the past three years.

716
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: The number one question I always ask myself when I'm

717
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: going into any conversation. Oh, maybe not any, but a

718
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: lot of the conversations is what's my goal here? Yeah,

719
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: because by articulating what it is that my desired outcome is,

720
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: I can back in to what an appropriate approach could be.

721
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: And when you are perhaps in the moment or feeling

722
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: a little bit emotional about something, it's completely understandable that

723
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: you may react instead of respond. But when you take

724
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: that step back and ask yourself, what is my goal here,

725
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: then you have this opportun unity to create a framework

726
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: that's not only likely more kind, but also going to

727
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: get you much farther than if you had just reacted

728
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: in the first place.

729
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: I love that.

730
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah that I think about that a lot. I want

731
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: to pivot back to your style, your strategy. My cousin

732
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: taught me this lesson and it was actually we were

733
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: sitting at Rodeo Bar, which is no longer in murray Hill,

734
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: and I was deciding whether or not to pivot to

735
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: my first job as a fitness editor. At the time,

736
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: I was so scared. I was working as an associate

737
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: editor at a company where I got to cover everything

738
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: from news and entertainment to health, and there was a

739
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: love and sex vertical. Like I was all over the place.

740
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: I was trying to be Carrie Bradshaw. I felt so

741
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: uncomfortable writing in the love and Sex vertical that I

742
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: knew that I could never be her. But that is

743
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: not the point. I get this job offer to be

744
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 2: a fitness editor, and now like it is so laughable

745
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: to me because I cannot imagine my life in any

746
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: other way. But I was so scared to niche down.

747
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: I thought that I would get bored when you started

748
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: shooting within this space, within health, wellness and fitness. Did

749
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: you have any concerns about maybe staying too far inside

750
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: one box?

751
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent.

752
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I think that was one of the biggest conversations that

753
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: Sean and I had when we started to grow our

754
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: brand presence was who are we like? What who do

755
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: we want to to cater to? Who's our customer? What's

756
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: our niche? Are we are we CpG? Are we events?

757
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: Are we sports? We are we fitness?

758
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: Like?

759
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: There were so many questions that we asked ourselves, and

760
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: I think that the funny thing is is that our

761
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: work and our progression kind of answered itself a little bit.

762
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: I think that we definitely knew we wanted to niche

763
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: down in some capacity, not sure how far we wanted

764
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: to go, and so when we, you know, started, we

765
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: were like, we're in sports and well general wellness, you know,

766
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: And that can be interpreted many different ways. But I

767
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: think that as we started to continue through this journey,

768
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: a lot of our work has come naturally within the

769
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: sport and fitness arena, not only because of our profile,

770
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: but because of what we naturally lean towards. I think

771
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: it felt organic to us, similarly to how you weren't

772
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, going towards the sex and love you were

773
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: kind of you know, you went into fitness, and I'm

774
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: sure that felt more natural to you. So it was

775
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: one of those things where we knew what we were

776
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: interested in, we knew what we wanted to do. We

777
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: had this question raised, where did we want to expand

778
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: on that and explore how we could potentially fit into

779
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of different markets.

780
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, we were able to.

781
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: Kind of naturally flow into this space because it was

782
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: right for us.

783
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: And does that mean you've turned down things that aren't

784
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: in the space.

785
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: We have started to?

786
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: It depends on the opportunity. I think that a lot

787
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: of the projects that come our way are really well

788
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: aligned with who we are and what we want to do,

789
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: which we've been very, very lucky with. You know, you

790
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: don't have the luxury of turning things down for the

791
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: first for a while, truly.

792
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we.

793
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: Still we turned down small things here and there. I

794
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: think that when we turn things down now, it's more

795
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: so because it's not aligned with who we are and

796
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: the foundation of how we want our company to run.

797
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: What would you say has been the most rewarding aspect

798
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: of this journey for you so far.

799
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: Bring people on projects that they would have otherwise not

800
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to partake in, and so it's been

801
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: really cool to be able to bring people with us.

802
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: It's like a rising tide lifts all boats type of situation,

803
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited about continuing to do that. I

804
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: also think it's been really rewarding to see my growth

805
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: and Shawn's growth just as people and kind of see

806
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: both of us break out of our comfort zones in

807
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: more ways than one. I'm really excited and feel so

808
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: passionate about our ability to uplift women's voices in sport

809
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: and fitness and athletics in general, and that platform that

810
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: we've kind of started to grow for ourselves.

811
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: You say the word excited. What else are you excited

812
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: about when you think of the next three to five years,

813
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: what's on the vision board?

814
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: I can't even think about what's like for dinner tonight?

815
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: Okay, No, So I think you know this is a

816
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: great question, and I give myself grace in the sense

817
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: that I know that it will likely evolve over time.

818
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: I think it's so funny when side note when like

819
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: interviewers for a job will be like, what's your five

820
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: year plan. I'm like, that's crazy. The amount of things

821
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: that happen in five years is insane. But something that

822
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: I know will not ever really change is the idea

823
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: that I want to continue to grow our female gaze

824
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: perspective in the space that we are in. And something

825
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: that I know I will continue to focus on is

826
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: uplifting women's voices in sport. I know that I want

827
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: to continue to tell their stories.

828
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: I want to highlight them. I want to contribute to.

829
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: The movement that is more media coverage for women and

830
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: sports and fitness. That will always be brewing in my

831
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: mind and I'm excited to see what we come up with.

832
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: We were sitting at dinner on your last night in

833
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 2: Paris and you were like, where do we go next?

834
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: And I said, we go to Italy. I didn't know

835
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: when I said that that the Winter Olympics would be

836
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: in Italy next year. We have nothing locked in. But basically,

837
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: when I'm here to tell anyone who's listening to this

838
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: is Laurden and I are available, and we're a dream

839
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: We're a dream team, and we're available for the Winter Olympics.

840
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: If you want to talk about smart ways, that we

841
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: can work together.

842
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 3: I love how she just puts it in the universe.

843
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put in the universe. I have no

844
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: doubt that you will be working at next year's Olympics

845
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: or la twenty eight, Like, I actually have absolutely no

846
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: doubt that you will be in those spaces. To anyone

847
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: who's listening to this, like, you would be remiss not

848
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: to bring on Lauren and her teams to do stuff

849
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: like this. Well, I'm just like sometimes when I look

850
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: at the talent that's being hired no offense, like it's

851
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: gonna just be so much better. Let me just hype

852
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: you up.

853
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: I just girlies in the mix.

854
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: Get some girlies in the mix. What are you personally

855
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: excited about right now? I feel like all we do

856
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 2: is talk about work. But what do you like what's

857
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: going on in the life of Lauren that has nothing

858
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: to do with picking up your camera that makes you

859
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: really geek?

860
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

861
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So I really love this question because I actually

862
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: have an answer to it, which if you would have

863
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: asked me six months ago, I would have been.

864
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: Like, work, work, work, so frond of you.

865
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: So I've made it an intentional kind of shift over

866
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: the past month or so to find things that are

867
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: bringing me joy outside of my work, because it is

868
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: incredibly time consuming. Right now, it is pretty much everything

869
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: always we don't shut off. But I'm running the New

870
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: York Marathon this year, and it is my first ever marathon,

871
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: which is hilarious because like I've shot a billion of them,

872
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: and I've been in the running community and done all

873
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: the things. But I'm running New York and I'm doing

874
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: it for two reasons. One, we have an insane travel

875
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: schedule over the next three months.

876
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: It's going to be absolutely chaotic, and I know that

877
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 3: I need to take care of myself and my body.

878
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: Give me some insight into what insane travel schedule means.

879
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

880
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So for example, this week, this next three weeks,

881
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: we're going to San Francisco and then Oregon, and then

882
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Speaker 1: I'm going to Cincinnati, and then we're flying to Paris,

883
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Speaker 1: and then we go Paris to this little town and

884
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Speaker 1: I think it's northern France.

885
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: Called teenie Tine.

886
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Speaker 1: It's like up near the Swiss Alps. Come back to

887
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Speaker 1: New York and then in the summer we have four

888
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Speaker 1: more European trips and four more trips in the States.

889
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Speaker 2: And when you do things like this, do you ever

890
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: tack on like a personal side quest?

891
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: For sure? For sure?

892
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: And that's something that I'm definitely going to make a

893
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: goal of ours, is we need to enjoy those spaces

894
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: that we're in. And it's not always easy because you're

895
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: exhausted and you're tired, like at the end of the

896
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: shoot or the end of whatever. But I remember being

897
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: in Paris with you and thinking, this girl has way

898
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: too much energy. But I left and I said, we

899
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: made every second count and I loved that, and you

900
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: forced me out to do all the things and I'm

901
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: so grateful for that because it gave me a perspective that, like,

902
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: I need to make sure these moments count and I

903
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: don't want to be sleeping in bed the whole time

904
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: and I'll be tired.

905
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Speaker 3: Later, you know. And it's like I have to take

906
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: advantage of it.

907
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Speaker 2: So you're running the New York Marathon, yaesh, I'm.

908
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: Running New York Marathon, and I I'm going to have

909
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Speaker 1: a training schedule, and I'm going to work with a

910
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: coach and I'm going to work with her to make

911
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: it make sense within my schedule. And I think it's

912
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: like having that grace again of knowing that I'm not

913
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to say, Okay, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I'm

914
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Speaker 1: gonna do these runs because that's pretty much impossible, truly.

915
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Speaker 1: Like I was on a fifteen hour shoot day yesterday,

916
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Speaker 1: like I'm not getting to run in you know. Yeah,

917
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Speaker 1: So it's understanding that these these shoots are happening, the

918
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: schedule is crazy, and making it a point to figure

919
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: it out and add it within my little daily scheduled routines.

920
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: And that is something that I'm really excited about and

921
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm feeling very motivated for that's not work,

922
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Speaker 1: and that's really exciting to be able to have that

923
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Speaker 1: different mindset.

924
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Speaker 2: I love that you're running the marathon for me. Over

925
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: the last few years, as my travel has ramped up,

926
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Speaker 2: I've gotten to this point where I recognize that I'm

927
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: gonna also need to take care of myself regardless of

928
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Speaker 2: where I'm at. So I think one of the best

929
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Speaker 2: things about solo travel is that you can make a

930
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: zillion dinner reservations or a billion different appointments, but at

931
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, when you wake up and

932
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Speaker 2: you're like, today is not the day, you don't have

933
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Speaker 2: to do anything. It mostly so case and point when

934
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Speaker 2: it comes to work trips. Last year, I did a

935
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Speaker 2: panel in San Francisco and I remember landing, having three

936
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Speaker 2: hours and thinking to myself, Okay, I am going to

937
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Speaker 2: find a sauna, and old Emily never would have done

938
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Speaker 2: anything like that. I would have been like, you need

939
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: to go to gear Delli Square, which I did anyway,

940
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: or you need to go here or there. And finding

941
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: these little moments and pockets of self care and being

942
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: really honest with myself about where I'm at while also

943
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: trying to do my genuine best to like do the

944
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: things that excite me in these places has been a

945
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: really beautiful meeting in the middle for me to both

946
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: have an experience and make sure that I'm pulling my

947
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: oxygen mask down first.

948
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Speaker 1: When did you feel that switch? When did you did

949
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: you have a moment where you're like, oh my god,

950
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: I have to start taking care of myself.

951
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: I don't think that there was a specific instance like

952
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: that's something bad happened. But what I came to understand

953
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 2: was that I was traveling a lot and I could

954
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Speaker 2: not only reserve the moments of self care that brought

955
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: me joy for being in my home environment. So I

956
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: went through a pretty big phase where I loved going

957
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: to the sauna, so like I started seeking that when

958
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: I was traveling or I remember being in Italy on

959
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: my first ever solo trip and having a night where

960
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: I had a reservation that I was excited about, but

961
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Speaker 2: I was just like, I want to go to bed

962
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Speaker 2: in forty five minutes, and this reservation isn't for an hour.

963
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Speaker 2: And I walked downstairs and I got it to go pizza,

964
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Speaker 2: and I went upstairs and I ate it and I

965
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Speaker 2: went to bed, And that night changed my perspective on

966
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Speaker 2: you have to be here, you have to be here,

967
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: you have to go there. Does that mean that I

968
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: won't make a conscious effort to do an experience? Of

969
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: course not. But I had to get honest with myself,

970
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: especially when I was just like in this eighteen like

971
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Speaker 2: city tour over three months. You know what I mean?

972
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Speaker 1: You are such a like an inspiration for me when

973
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: it comes to travel and working and taking care of yourself.

974
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Speaker 1: Because I don't I think we're in kind of a

975
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: unique position. I don't think this is super common for

976
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people. I know a lot of people

977
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Speaker 1: that do travel for work, but I do think I

978
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: mean this, you know, can relate to anything in your life,

979
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: but you're very intentional about it and you prioritize it.

980
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: And I haven't had someone to look at and be like, oh,

981
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: it's possible. But I look at you every day at

982
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: like five am, doing your things and like or whatever

983
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: time you wake up in the morning, and it's like,

984
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: she does it and it's working, and it's like that is,

985
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, inspiring for people who are traveling or not traveling,

986
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Speaker 1: Just the consistency that you have with taking care of

987
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: yourself and making it a priority, which is in turn

988
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: going to make the rest of your day better.

989
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: Thank you. And I think that I also look to

990
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: people who I see their diligence and I see them

991
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 2: doing things that I aspire to do, and so I'm

992
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: inspired by them, which then waterfalls to me, which then

993
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: waterfalls to my community. Yeah, and it's a really beautiful

994
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: opportunity that we have to inspire one another. And I

995
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: also believe wholeheartedly that good habits stem from not just

996
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: intrinsic motivation, but are cultivated and fostered by the people

997
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: that you surround yourself with. So not only good habits

998
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: in wellness, but also good habits, in striving for things

999
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: that excite you, in surrounding yourself with motivated and badass.

1000
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean, men are great, but women that are striving

1001
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: for more, that are doing more, and by doing that,

1002
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: I then in turn feel excited myself to go after

1003
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: the things that really ignite me. For sure, what do

1004
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: you see when you look in the mirror?

1005
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: I see an ever evolving, always learning, excited, grateful human

1006
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: that is doing the best that you can every day.

1007
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 2: I can't believe you haven't mentioned Frankie in this entire episode.

1008
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: If you guys have ever seen Emily's Sorry with a

1009
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: little orange Wiener dog, that is my son, Franklin.

1010
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: He is my whole entire personality. You're right.

1011
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: That was crazy. Been an hour. Wow, my goodness.

1012
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 3: I need to start an Instagram for him, but I

1013
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: can't even have one.

1014
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: I do, but I don't post on it because I

1015
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: can't even post on my Instagram.

1016
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: Like, but he is. He is just a joy, a joy,

1017
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: well not right now. He just got snipped, so.

1018
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: Not so much as well. I only brought him up

1019
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: because I'm thinking about how he would be running around

1020
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: in the.

1021
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: Back next time. I needed to bring him and we

1022
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: can interview Frank.

1023
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 2: He sat in that chair. I know, it was so cute.

1024
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: It was so cute.

1025
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1026
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: Towards the beginning of our conversation, you talked about one

1027
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: of the biggest challenges for you as a creative was

1028
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: learning how to trust yourself. And now you sit here

1029
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: all of these things two and a half years in,

1030
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: knowing what you know. Now, what advice would you offer

1031
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: to your younger self.

1032
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: Trusting yourself in confidence go hand in hand. And the

1033
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 1: only way to increase your confidence and therefore your self

1034
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: trust is by putting yourself in uncomfortable situations, experiencing things

1035
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: that you might have otherwise not experienced. Getting out of

1036
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: your comfort zone is going to open up doors and

1037
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: opportunities for you. But these two and a half years

1038
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: have gone by, and I look back and every single

1039
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: shred of confidence and self trust I have is due

1040
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: to those experiences that I had, good or bad, that

1041
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: I got through, and that is where the self trust

1042
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: has grown, and that's where the confidence has come from.

1043
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: And it's not the brands that I work with or

1044
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: the people that I work with, which definitely helps. Like

1045
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: to have that track record is not bad. But I

1046
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: think it's like knowing that I went through a really

1047
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and challenging situation, not knowing everything, not being the

1048
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: smartest or the most creative or the most talented person

1049
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: in the room, still doing a really amazing job and

1050
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: getting out of it alive. Essentially, that's something that has

1051
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of been enlightening for me over the past two

1052
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: and a half years when it comes to confidence and

1053
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: self trust.

1054
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: That was beautiful.

1055
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1056
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm feeling so motivated and expired, expired.

1057
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: Expired, I'm expired.

1058
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: I'm expired, aspired. Lauren's like, put me in bed. I'm

1059
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 2: so motivated because I can speak.

1060
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: My God about you.

1061
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: For the hurtlers that don't follow you just yet, how

1062
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 2: do they keep up with you? How do they follow along?

1063
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: Give us the details?

1064
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: Wait, it's so funny because sorry sidebar, but I went

1065
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: somewhere in la and someone was like, are you Lauren?

1066
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 3: And I was like yeah.

1067
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: She was like, oh my god, Like I know, like

1068
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: I listened to Emily's podcast and I see you on

1069
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: her Instagram all the time.

1070
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm just over here traveling the world.

1071
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 3: No. It made me laugh because I just it was

1072
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: such a funny moment.

1073
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: Well, whoever that was, please DM us.

1074
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1075
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: And you can DM Lauren by going to her instagram.

1076
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's at l Underscore number off. And then our

1077
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: flow State account is flow State Underscore Creative.

1078
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: And for all of the brands that are about to

1079
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 2: be in your DMS, they can just be in your

1080
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: DMOR you want to email you anywhere specifically, feel.

1081
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 3: For to DM me like a little nice little DM.

1082
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: I'll check it out. I'm over at Emily a Bodi

1083
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: and at Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys

1084
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: next time.