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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode. Paul D. Giovanni is here.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you here in the house. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've met out a bunch of times. I would say

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Speaker 1: a little more than just met that. We've been friendly

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Speaker 1: out a couple of times. We have for a number

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Speaker 1: of years. Now. I feel like, you know, is your

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Speaker 1: wife famous? It's pretty famous? Okay, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: what is she in? She is in a show on

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Speaker 1: Freeform called The Bold Type? Okay, is does that have

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Speaker 1: like a big fault, like a big fault, like because

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Speaker 1: when you got married and they had your pictures all

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Speaker 1: over people people, I thought, good for Paul. One, she's

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Speaker 1: way prettier than he has. It's always a goal for

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Speaker 1: us guys, right, it's always that's a huge compliment. But two,

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Speaker 1: I was like, can't people's covering Paul's wedding? It was

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Speaker 1: in the magazine too, which is crazy, like and then

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Speaker 1: I saw I went to your wife's Instagram and she

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Speaker 1: had a ton of followers. So she's an actress. She is?

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Speaker 1: So she did she end up here? She ended up

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Speaker 1: in Nashville, I will say probably mostly because of me. Um.

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Speaker 1: We met in l A. So she got her start.

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Speaker 1: She did American Idol. She was finished in eighth place

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Speaker 1: when she was like sixteen. How long ago is that? Um?

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Speaker 1: Eleven years ago? Is it bad that I don't know

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Speaker 1: all the history of American I don't like I'm on

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Speaker 1: the show and I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, there's still

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Speaker 1: a singer. Yes, so she hasn't done anything in a minute,

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Speaker 1: but um, we're kind of talking about maybe doing something soon.

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Speaker 1: But we met in l A. And um, she was

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Speaker 1: on a show called Faking It Um on MTV at

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Speaker 1: that point. And then that when a few seasons, I

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Speaker 1: ended up moving here um to do you know, the

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Speaker 1: whole country thing. And we were still together, but it

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Speaker 1: was one of those things where she had to work

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Speaker 1: there and I was here and we weren't sure what

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Speaker 1: was going to happen. She took a trip out surprised

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Speaker 1: me here, and while she did that, she was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: I love it here. All our friends are here. What

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Speaker 1: am I doing in l A? Like? So how long

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Speaker 1: ago was that? That was five years ago? Ish? And

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Speaker 1: so you guys have both been together, been here five years? Well,

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Speaker 1: she's an actress, so of course she's always gone. But like,

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Speaker 1: our home base is here. You get your mail here

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Speaker 1: the mail, Yeah, And I mean I'm always here, like

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Speaker 1: at all times here unless I'm visiting her and her

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Speaker 1: show was called The Bold Type. And how did you

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Speaker 1: two meet? Were you the guitarist when you met her? Um?

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Speaker 1: Or were you already the band when we met? The

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Speaker 1: band was pretty slow at that point already we'd kind

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Speaker 1: of like not really been doing anything, um And I

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Speaker 1: was writing out in l A and kind of just

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Speaker 1: hanging And I moved in with a friend of hers

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Speaker 1: and she I found out later she saw a picture

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Speaker 1: of me online with him actually a Celtics Clippers game,

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Speaker 1: and she was like, who is that guy in our

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Speaker 1: friend Garvy was like, oh, that's my new roommate. UM,

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Speaker 1: so she to you and she just showed up one

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Speaker 1: day and was like, oh, hey, who are you like?

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know she had preplanned it with him,

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Speaker 1: So I kind of got ambushed a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: the best kind of ambus It worked. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: really wasn't expecting to start with that, but I was

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Speaker 1: just thinking about you. I wish I do a lot,

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Speaker 1: thank you I think about and Uh, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I want because I again, unless you there

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Speaker 1: are so many ways now that if you're good at

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Speaker 1: what you do to have notoriety, success, fame, whichever level

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Speaker 1: of that that you And because I don't follow that

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Speaker 1: thread of female, I assume it's a female show. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's like tampons and it's it's yeah, there's a girl.

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Speaker 1: It's like a younger sort of sex in the city things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't. I wouldn't stumble up on that. Probably

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Speaker 1: not I'm watching. I watched Cheer. Have you watched Cheer

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Speaker 1: on Netflix? I have it pops up and I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you I was holding out. I was like, what do

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Speaker 1: I care about a cheerleading show? But I do really

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Speaker 1: like documentaries. So I'm torn because one of those things

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Speaker 1: you really get into cheer and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: You're playing like fantasy cheerleading competitions on your phone. It's

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Speaker 1: it's great. The girl that I'm dating now, um was

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Speaker 1: like you should watch it, and I was like, no,

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Speaker 1: what I like to do sometimes to prove people wrong.

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Speaker 1: So I was gonna watch and hate it and I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about it anymore. It's stupid. But I

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Speaker 1: watched the first episode and I was like, oh, are

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Speaker 1: see what happens next. So when I turned Netflix on,

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Speaker 1: you know has the auto play thing? Cheer has been

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Speaker 1: auto playing full volume for the past two weeks and

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Speaker 1: I just hate get it out of my face speaking

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Speaker 1: to you. So I'm mad at it. But now maybe

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Speaker 1: it's like a thing that needs to happen. It's such

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Speaker 1: a good show. Like I'm really wondering what's up with

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Speaker 1: everybody like I've I'm not wondering because I've now stalked

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Speaker 1: them all on Instagram and luckily they're adults there there.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a junior college and it's Navarro Junior College,

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Speaker 1: so they're all like twenty two. So but yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 1: It's speaking of girls show. I may even like your

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Speaker 1: Wife's show. Do you watch your wife show? I do?

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Speaker 1: really good. It's funny, it's well written. There is something

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Speaker 1: for everybody on it. Well, good for you. Good. She's

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Speaker 1: always super nice, like she's like, yeah, she's the cool

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Speaker 1: She's let's I'll be honest, she's cooler. The people like

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Speaker 1: when they see me out there, like, hey, where's Katie?

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Speaker 1: Like immediately, I'm like, I get it now. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: just roll through some stats on you real quick, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll come back to it. Number one songs that

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Speaker 1: you've written, just a more of the ones that didn't

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Speaker 1: make it Back Home Dan and Shay how not. One

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Speaker 1: of my best buds, Adam Hamburg. Yeah, And he came

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Speaker 1: out and was playing guitar in by band for a bit,

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Speaker 1: and we played this every night because you know, if

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Speaker 1: you write it, you get to play it. Oh that's cool.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that, and so I did. I

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Speaker 1: I learned the easy parts on guitar, but yeah, we

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Speaker 1: did that a lot. Um as a producer singles you

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Speaker 1: what it's like when you're write a number one and

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends that have written number

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Speaker 1: ones and the number one parties. But if you produce

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Speaker 1: a number one, what happens? Um it's less cool. I think,

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Speaker 1: the number one party, But that's fine. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't, but I'm always like, man, I wish I

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Speaker 1: I mean I love it all. I like I like

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Speaker 1: because you've changed it so much, because it's a fine

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Speaker 1: line when you're producing. I've heard of that happen because

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Speaker 1: If it came to that point at some point, maybe

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Speaker 1: I could do that every time I would change a word.

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Speaker 1: if you are actually making it a little more yours.

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Speaker 1: that even a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: people who do that. Right, if you're not changing it

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Speaker 1: could see that could be seen a certain way. Other

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Speaker 1: songs you wrote the New Sam Hunts. Sitting with you,

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Speaker 1: I can talk to God. Was Emily Wiseman, Josh Osborne,

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Speaker 1: Pope take you home? To take you even miss being

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Speaker 1: the guy on stage because we talked about your songwriting.

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Speaker 1: You're producing as you don't you know with that job,

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I do miss it. But then at

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Speaker 1: again for the next six months because when we tour,

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Speaker 1: I mean the country touring thing, which I never knew

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Speaker 1: about until I started doing country is Wednesday night till

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Speaker 1: like a pigeonholed thing, which is cool. Like a lot

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00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,920
Speaker 1: of people here didn't really know the band, which kind

426
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,600
Speaker 1: of maybe helped, But I bet they knew the songs

427
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 1: they did people do yeah, people like sometimes once they're like,

428
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 1: so what was that band telling about? And then I'll

429
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,560
Speaker 1: like play a few things like oh yeah, or like

430
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,679
Speaker 1: if you yeah, it's like, oh, it's like three steps

431
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 1: up from there. But that would you? Would you? I'm

432
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,719
Speaker 1: assuming you were doing the b gbs on those I did.

433
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,479
Speaker 1: I did some live. Our bass player was the pro

434
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,399
Speaker 1: with those. So I try to stay away from the

435
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 1: singing duties. What is it like touring for six nine

436
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 1: months at a time, Like, do you just wear the

437
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,879
Speaker 1: same clothes every day? We had like a wardrobe thing

438
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 1: and we had three shirts in three black pants and

439
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,400
Speaker 1: we just washed them once in a while, and yeah,

440
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 1: it was. It was crazy. It just sounds gross and

441
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: no offense for Breeze. Yeah, it was a lot of

442
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 1: people think touring is glamorous. It is definitely the opposite.

443
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,479
Speaker 1: Right even I'm even gonna say at how I do

444
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,199
Speaker 1: it doing stand up if we take a bus or

445
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 1: if I'm taking like the small band, if we're doing

446
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 1: like and we we tour pretty nice and it's country

447
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 1: torning two, don't get me wrong. We'll leave out on

448
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 1: a Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, and it's a night and

449
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 1: it's still grind. You know, you see these teeth, but

450
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: not like you. My point is, it's nothing like what

451
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 1: you guys were doing. You're in a van for months

452
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 1: and months at a time. I never knew that there

453
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 1: was anything different. What are you eating though, at this point?

454
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 1: Are you just stopping for fast food all the time.

455
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 1: In the beginning, it was a lot of fast food.

456
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,239
Speaker 1: It was Panera bread and cracker barrel we when we

457
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: were broke, we would unfortunately steal a lot of cracker

458
00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: barrel food when we had to um, just garbage fast food.

459
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 1: Which is why you guys are so much better looking

460
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 1: now because you now can pay your bills and eat.

461
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 1: We can beat a vegetable sometimes. That's why it's so

462
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: great that you get back together. I know you can.

463
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: You can pay for a gym member who time totally

464
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 1: was now cannonball in that sucker. I'm a manage the band, alright,

465
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: let's do it. Um your Instagram, Paul B LG. Is

466
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: that because people have trouble writing your last name? Um

467
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: they do. But no, at a time, the band was

468
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: all your name bl G. Were you guys big warped

469
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 1: tour guys? We did warp tour one time. That's it.

470
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: Huh wow. I figured you guys to be a big

471
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: warped tour. We were like in that world, but not

472
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: like we weren't. I mean, we came from that like

473
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: EMO kind of two thousand three to two thousand nine thing,

474
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: but we were never like fully all in on it,

475
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: which I think was either why we had success or

476
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 1: the other way around, like we had success because we

477
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: weren't all the way. I don't know, but we did

478
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 1: it one time, and it is that was gross that

479
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about. Gross. That was gross. Case

480
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: of water every morning, a case of beer every morning,

481
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: no laundry. You're in a desert's porta pott. He's got

482
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: to hit him before the sun hits some like bad

483
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: stuff get turned on right now? Yeah, you wrote the

484
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: ones that didn't make it back home. We talked about

485
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: that a minute ago. My question for that is in

486
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: the room as you're writing that song, was there ever

487
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 1: a discussion of boys this song maybe too long, this

488
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: title maybe too long? Um? We never had that discussion. No,

489
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: because I know I've said it about ten million times

490
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, here's the ones that didn't make

491
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: it back, and I'm like, and I remember when I

492
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: was checking it out on the charts trying to see

493
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: where it was. It's always like the ones that did

494
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: Um No, we just wrote it. I did the demo.

495
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 1: I think I might have titled it that, and I

496
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: just always assumed I'll let them figure it out later.

497
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: And then there it was, the whole, the whole deal.

498
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 1: Talk to me about the discussion, and I'm gonna ask

499
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: you to think about things Brian about in a while,

500
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: but talk to me about the discussion as you're deciding

501
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: what songs you're gonna write that day and how this

502
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: song came up. So we were out we were actually

503
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: in Green Bay at lambeau Field in the parking lot

504
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: and um because Justin was playing like a couple blocks

505
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: away from there or something, and we were on the bus.

506
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: We were about to start writing and just talking about

507
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: ideas and Justin just mentioned I guess he says that

508
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: on stage every night, like here's you know, this is

509
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: just throwing up for the ones that didn't make it

510
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: back home or whatever, and he's just like, I always

511
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: thought that would be a cool title. We just started

512
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: rolling with it and like wrote it in pretty quick

513
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean probably three hours to three hours. Did you

514
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: write it and then record you have a whole set

515
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: up on I had a little rig on the bus,

516
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: so we're like, yeah, we we we kind of built

517
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: up the idea. He went and sound checked and then

518
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: I had it ready and he's saying it and do

519
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: you look for quirky words or lines and songs to

520
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: stick out to people? And I asked this because there's

521
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: one little phrase in that song that I can't not

522
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: seeing every time it comes on. Do you know what

523
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: it is? Um? I got a lot of texts about that. Yeah.

524
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: Like at first, I was like, and there have been

525
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: a lot of songs where you're we hear it and

526
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: you're like, well, that's weird. But then it's the it's

527
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: the part of the song that remains with you the most.

528
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: It sticks out, and it's also on its own. There's

529
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: a little pause before it, a little pause after. It's

530
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: just Green being Castro Green, Remember Green being Castle roll

531
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: Grandma's recipe, except nine steps higher. Obviously it's and it's

532
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: all it's very visual, Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well is that

533
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: something did you guys teeter around without at all? Like

534
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how do we leave this in? Did

535
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: it feel quirky at the time? It was not at all,

536
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: Like it was just kind of like, all right, what

537
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, we've all kind of had some experiences, whether

538
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: it be personal or from through friends whatever, of you know,

539
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: something tragic happening like this, So like what really happens

540
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: in these small towns? And how can we just make

541
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: it just authentic and real? And that was just I

542
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: think that might have been a justin thing that he

543
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: just said, and just we just wrote it down and

544
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: rolled we we we never like, especially for that song,

545
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: we didn't sit down and we were like, what is

546
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: what is going to make people this or that? We

547
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: just for a song like that, you really have to

548
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: just write it from just authentic experience. I feel like

549
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: Sam has some of those two in his songs um

550
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: especially a body like a back road like hips like honey,

551
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: here's a couple of those little quirky things too. The

552
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: first time you hear you go, oh that, I don't

553
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: know if that and then it's the really the only

554
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: thing you remember that the thing you remember. I never

555
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: know if those are like a lot of those things

556
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: are like emphasized on purpose or if it's just like

557
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: happens to be the thing that bus into that that's one.

558
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: This one was definitely not we we we. We weren't

559
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: like picturing like hashtag green bean cast role trending on

560
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: Twitter or anything like. This was like just like a song,

561
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: like we were just trying to do the right You know,

562
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: when you finished this whole thing and the song and

563
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: you you recorded, you did a rough demo on the bus,

564
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: do you think I think we may have something here

565
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: with that one? Um? Because a lot of songs right, um,

566
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: but I think just based off the energy, especially like

567
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: being in with the artist, like I write a lot

568
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: of I write song every day with a lot of

569
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: writers and this and that. You know, you're lucky if

570
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: you get a couple of year that do anything. But

571
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: like when we're with you know, when you're with the

572
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: artist and he kind of falls in love with something

573
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: as you're doing it and it comes out really organically

574
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: and everyone's fired up, that's kind of like, okay, this

575
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: could you know, this could be the thing? Do you

576
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: a bit hope to get on with these artists right

577
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: about the time they start recording, because you know these artists,

578
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: the things they cut closer to their record they're more

579
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: passionate about, and they because it's so hot in their minds,

580
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: you tend to see a lot of those last minute

581
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: cuts get on. Is that ever a strategy with you?

582
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: That is the thing, that's a strategy? I think that's

583
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 1: more so I'll think about that with like pitching stuff.

584
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: If it's like, you know, none of us have an idea. Really,

585
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: let's look at the pitch you who's cutting next month?

586
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: Like yeah, okay, I mean that's an obvious one. But

587
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: I feel like as far as artists stuff, like whatever

588
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: whenever we get in with the artists is the best,

589
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: and whatever they are feeling and works out works out.

590
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: We I don't really try to like strategize it too hard.

591
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: I try. I feel like for me with being creative

592
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: and writing, forcing anything too much doesn't really work. Like

593
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 1: even just pitching in general, if it's like, all right,

594
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: let's write that Tim McGraw this thing that he really needs,

595
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: like I always failed. Interesting unless I try to write,

596
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: like just try to write the best song in the

597
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: room that day, I forced everything I should really How

598
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: not to what's the story that? How? How did they

599
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: get around to Dana sha Um? Well? That was the

600
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: last rite of the year in fourteen or something. It

601
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: was actually me and Kevin were rented a house out

602
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: and out here in Nashville. UM, and we had to

603
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: write with Adam and we texted him in the morning,

604
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: Hey we're still on He's like, oh, man, I didn't

605
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: have you written down today. Um, I'm about to head

606
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: home to Arkansaw. UM. He's like, I have like two

607
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: hours if you want to come by. And we were

608
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: like should we even do this or should we just

609
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: call it? But like, all right, we'll come by. And

610
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: we wrote this thing like an hour and a half.

611
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: It was crazy and we were just like feeling it

612
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: the whole time. And we had it for a little bit.

613
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: I think Rascal Flats had an on hold for like

614
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: a year that long. I think they had on hold

615
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: for a long time holding a second hostage. Yeah. Um.

616
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 1: And we always knew the song was special and we

617
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: were just kind of like waiting for the right you know,

618
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: are they going to do this or not? And I

619
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: don't remember if they were like kind of like we're

620
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: letting it go or didn't really care whatever, But um,

621
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: at some point my old manager, Rohan who now works

622
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: at UM Warner UM he you know, I've been friends

623
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: with Dan forever and Rose worked with Dan forever and

624
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: all that. So Dan was going to the studio and

625
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: they had an open slot for another song to cut,

626
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: and Rose sent a handful and that and how Not

627
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: To was one of them. Dance like I really liked this,

628
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: and they cut it in the last slot, and then

629
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: he afterwards, I guess kind of found out that I

630
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: had written it, which is cool because we're friends. He

631
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: didn't know, that's what. Yeah, I don't think he knew, um,

632
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: which is a cool little layer two it that he

633
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: wasn't just like, oh my buddy, Paul. It was kind

634
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: of a natural thing. Um. And they cut it and

635
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: then like as time went on, everyone's like, hey, people

636
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: are really digging this. It might be a single. And

637
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: that's usually the death Wish where it's never gonna be

638
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: a single, but lo and behold it got singled. And

639
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: that was my first My first one did a lot

640
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: for me. Death Wish that one. And when they name

641
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: a tour after a song, is that the death Wish to?

642
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I never paid two much attention to that. Yeah, if

643
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: they come out and they're like this is the we're

644
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: butt boys tour, You're like, well, we we're bub boys.

645
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: Never gonna be a single because they name that. It's

646
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: never gonna be That's never gonna be a song. And

647
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: I've been sitting on it's on holds on hold. They've

648
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: had this song on hold for a year. Yeah, I'm

649
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: hoping in their their last tour here they finally released

650
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: what's the what's the paycheck? Like that? What's the the

651
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: difference in writing a number one song as a songwriter

652
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: and a producer? Um different, It's one significantly more than

653
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: the other. Yeah, I mean production, Like I said, like

654
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: I like doing that. It's a more constant thing for

655
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: the brain. And also because like you you figure out

656
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: a rate in the beginning to get paid per song

657
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: and then you get you know, you get paid for

658
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: playing on it and like points and all that stuff.

659
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: But it's not it's nothing like but the points on

660
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: a number one that you produced is nothing like this songwriter,

661
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: If you're one third of that, it's not the same. No,

662
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: much better to be a songwriter. So the producer is

663
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: a guaranteed check and the song rider is an investment totally.

664
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's almost like a diversifying more my portfolio

665
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: by doing both at the same time. I guess you

666
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: could say, are you producing anything right now? Jordan's second record?

667
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm doing Jordan Davis. How's that working out good?

668
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Do you have any more hits in him or not?

669
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: He's we're done. I think we're done. It sounds like crap,

670
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's just we're not no, no, it's

671
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: it's awesome. It's going good. We're kind of just um

672
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: and we've just been cutting a few every month and

673
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: just um, you know, it's been going awesome. He's he's

674
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: the best. Love working with him. What's up are you?

675
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 1: And Dan? You guys have been boys for a while, Dan,

676
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: Dan Smyers and Danaans. He is a psychopath. Love him,

677
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: love him, and it's it for me. It takes one

678
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: to no one. And I see just how he prepares,

679
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, I feel bad for you because

680
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: I stuffer from the same thing, just control. And it's

681
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: a double edged sword. He he just cannot turn it off.

682
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: And it's I mean, it's obviously working out, as you

683
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: saw last night on the Grand May and I love

684
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 1: that it's working for him, like I root for those guys.

685
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: So I'm like emotional when I see them to legs

686
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: because I'm just rooting for him so hard. It's like

687
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: watching a hustler, get it. I mean, listen, there are

688
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: a lot of talented people in this town. There's a

689
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: lot of really talented people in this town. But that

690
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: line is so thin that it's whenever you see someone.

691
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: Because they were doing Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday night shows as

692
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: a country, act themselves in small places, like I was

693
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: watching them hustle like that build their fan base five

694
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: years ago. I have a picture from south By, Southwest,

695
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Me and I think their lawyer or someone were the

696
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: only two people and it was just them to some

697
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: built in band and two people in a completely empty place.

698
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: And now they're doing two nights in our What's funny

699
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: is that's like only the halfway point of the story

700
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: because he had been doing like the whole pop rock thing.

701
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: Like we'd crossed past a million times way back in

702
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: the day, so like we we've been on the road

703
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: in like two thousand and six seven, He's been grinding forever.

704
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: It's not like you just like wrote two songs. It's like,

705
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: oh cool, yeah, I'll do a record deal. It's like

706
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: he's been fighting. Wouldn't that be cool if we got

707
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: to do two songs and talk like that in that

708
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: voice and get ord deal? Yeah, like that went that

709
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: got a record? That you get one? That would my

710
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: mom a star. That's what I'm hoping for. B l

711
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: G again. We'll write two songs tonight. I don't even

712
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: care if the song suck, We'll do it on the show.

713
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: They will. We're washed up man. Yeah, big stars. Tr

714
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: L performing TRL Time Square that was always a big

715
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: I know I'm dating me though too, because that was

716
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: a big deal to me to watch that, To watch

717
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: t r L in Times Square. That was when I

718
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: wasn't high school in college. That was like the mecca

719
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: of what you could do. That's probably a pretty big

720
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: deal for you guys. I think that was the craziest.

721
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: I used to run home from school at three pm

722
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: or two or whatever it was and watched that every day.

723
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: Carson Daley was the guy on TRL. Was he when

724
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: you played there? When we did it? It was was Damien?

725
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: Was that his name? Okay? It was him? Um right,

726
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't brown. That was a big fan of guy

727
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: good looking, good looking at yeah, um, but yes it was.

728
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: That was the coolest thing. We did it, like man,

729
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: we did like four times too. I think we had

730
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: videos retired on t r L, meaning they've been on

731
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: so long that they had to go. You gotta pull

732
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: the plug on this one. We gotta pull it out.

733
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: And I think back to like Corn, Like remember that

734
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: Corn video with the bullet going like stuff like that. Yeah,

735
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: there we go. I go back to those and I'm thinking, like,

736
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: we're in the same spot. Those were when I was

737
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: like thirteen or whatever. You grew up in Boston. Are

738
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: you big Pats fan? I am? Did you get a

739
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: PATS tattoo? Recently? I didn't you. Did you get what

740
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: you can a tattooed? You get what your tattoo? My

741
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: new one is this one? What is that an eagle?

742
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: It is? What is that for? UM? I like it?

743
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: And that's good. It's got initials UM for. This book

744
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: called The Obstacle is the Way one of my favorite books.

745
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I love it, and I love the concept, and I

746
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: love the whole the whole stoic mentality and that it's

747
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: just like I will never get sick of that. And

748
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: every time I look at it, I just think of, like,

749
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just keep moving forward. The thing

750
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to get around is the thing you need

751
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: to just through one of my favorite five books of

752
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: the past ten years. And the great thing about that

753
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: book too, it's not intimidating because it's about it's then,

754
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: and it's a lot of stories and the whole premise

755
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 1: is the thing that's driving you the craziest is what's

756
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: making you successful. Like the the ability to figure out

757
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: how to get around what's in your way. Is that

758
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: is that that ends up making you what you are.

759
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: So you should be grateful for your struggle because that

760
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: struggle is what makes you successful. A lot of it

761
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: was like everyone's always like, all right, once I get

762
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: through these next three months and this is in place

763
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: and I have this much in the bank, I'm gonna

764
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: do what I Really it's like, no, this is your

765
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: life right now. You're actually living your life. So if

766
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: you if you keep deferring it, you're never going to

767
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: be living your life. I just love stuff. I'm not

768
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: like a crazy like public speaker person like motivational speaker thing,

769
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: but I just like certain But I'll always read one

770
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: of those at a time and they just like fire

771
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: me up. Have you read what I'll ask you what's

772
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: your favorite book? Because it's hard. The books are like

773
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: Netflix shows. As you think about this is that there's

774
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: so many great ones and that it's hard to get

775
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: on the same page with all the shows now. And

776
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: it's like if you read this note, let this note,

777
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: if you watch this show. No like Cheer, you watch Cheering.

778
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: It's great to show in my lifetime. So here we are.

779
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite book? Probably the book of

780
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: Cheer before that they made the show out of. Yeah,

781
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: I like the novel was incredible, it was a great Yeah,

782
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: the graphic novel. Yeah, uh probably. Honestly, the Hobbit was

783
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: the first book I read as like a novel that

784
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: like changed my life, like just like the fictional thing,

785
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, this is like art, this

786
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: is incredible. Interesting. Stay on fiction for a second. Let's

787
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: go down the lanes. I like somebody that reads books,

788
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: like talking about books. Um, okay, continue talking about the Hobbit,

789
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: but don't go to nonfiction yet. So you love the

790
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: Hobbit because it was just the first thing I read that, Like,

791
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: you know, there's always a point and some people never

792
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: got out of it where you have to read books

793
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: in school and some people are just like I'll never

794
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: read a book the rest of my life. And then

795
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: there's always that turning point where you're like, wow, this

796
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: thing is this is all about I books are cool

797
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: or they can be cool. And that was the first

798
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: one where I was like, there's more to it than

799
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: just like trying to please my teacher and like I

800
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: want to just watch TV instead of this kind of

801
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: thing for you. And that was the one and I

802
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: was probably I don't even know, probably like thirteen or

803
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: fourteen or something. I just ripped through it, loved it.

804
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: It's fun. I don't read a lot of fiction, but

805
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: when I find something that is that is fiction and

806
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: as good, it's like the greatest dessert. And so because

807
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: I am a big reader and I've written a couple

808
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: of books, I love books so much. I like to

809
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: I like to read about people because I like to

810
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: read people's mistakes and go, oh I I relate, or okay,

811
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: that's I can learn about that. I think I learned

812
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: a lot through my mistakes. Most of what I learned

813
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: through my mistakes and through others too. And I don't

814
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: look at other mistakes to go I'll those idiots. I

815
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: go oh, I probably have done that too. What can

816
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: I learn from their experience? Um? But on the fiction

817
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: side of it, because it took me a while to

818
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: not take myself so seriously to read fiction once I

819
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: read the freaking Hunger Games. You read the Hunger Games books?

820
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know I watched. No, don't blasphemy to only

821
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: watch them and not read them. Did you watch them? Yeah?

822
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: And and they were good. They were good, Yes, But

823
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: the books are better. They always are because you invest

824
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: weeks into a book, right, and you get two and

825
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: a half hours with Jennifer Lawrence and all that. That's

826
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah. And the movies were good, but were good.

827
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: I remember reading the books? Maybe that or what was

828
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: the book? Tom Hanks ended up doing the movie of

829
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: the the Mona Lisa when the before the da Vinci

830
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: COO blew up. That book was everywhere when it was

831
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: so great. I should probably read that. But you've seen

832
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: the movie, so you know how it ends. I have

833
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: not seen the movie. O. Great, you'll love it. And

834
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: it's cliche now to say the DaVinci Code. When I

835
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: read it and it had just been Dan Brown had

836
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: just written it, I think I believe you, right, I

837
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: believe it. I was like, this is the great because

838
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: here's what I liked about it is it was a

839
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: fictional story, but they had so much reality in it,

840
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: and you're learning about art and all of that. All

841
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: the settings were real, but there's also a story weaved in,

842
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: and I was like that, it's great that and that's

843
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: the most have to read, the most too cliche books,

844
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: you could say, but it doesn't matter. I agree, it

845
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: does not matter what it what it seems like. Actually,

846
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: I read fiction a lot because I read a nonfiction book.

847
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: You know Tim Ferris, I know who he is. I

848
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: read a book of his and he was talking about

849
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: how fiction before bed is like the best thing to

850
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: just like meditatively disconnect you from the world and help

851
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: you fall asleep. So it's like I used to be

852
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: reading these like life self help you kind of books

853
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: like Morning Night and like before I bet my my

854
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: gears are still turning. And once he said that I

855
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: read like five pages of a book before bed at

856
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: night and I just passed out. It's awesome that works

857
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: for you, huh. I mean I'm a good so I

858
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: can fall asleep, and I could fall asleep on this

859
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: table if I want to the opposite fall asleep. I'm

860
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: like very for because I know a lot of people

861
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: like that. I'm very fortunately. Any time after like eight pm,

862
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: if I lay down, it's all over nonfiction. Favorite book. Um,

863
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: probably obstacles away, I have to say, because I did

864
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: get the tattoo. That's true. Um, you have it marked

865
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: on your body forever. So I gotta hope that author

866
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: doesn't do any like go off the rails and do

867
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: anything stupid, because but it is on a banner. You

868
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: could always I could change what that means. Oh yeah,

869
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: it could be like it could be like the Ostridges

870
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: the and then never say what it means. I don't

871
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: I'll write that book. Um. I just read this book

872
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: called The Indifferent Stars above which the title got me

873
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: on its own. But it's about the Donner Party. Um,

874
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with it, like that party that moved

875
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: from the Midwest go hoping to go to California in

876
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: the eighteen fifties or whatever, and they left too late

877
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: and they got caught in a snowstorm up in these mountains,

878
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: and basically months went by and they were living off

879
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: of like they had like a they ate all their

880
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: like oxes or whatever was pulling the horses and all

881
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: that stuff, and they ended up like taking their skin

882
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: and boiling and water and eating that brought like they

883
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: were all just starving to death and they ended up

884
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: resorting to cannibalism. And it's very well documented and they

885
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: talk about it in The Shining a little bit, so that.

886
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: I love The Shining, I love the movie. The book, um,

887
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: and that kind of got me like interested, So I

888
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: bought the book thinking, Okay, this is cool, this is

889
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: gonna be gruesome and crazy. But the actual story of

890
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: it and the facts and it tells it in a

891
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: way that you can relate to these people as if

892
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: they're people in your life, it's unbelievable. So that's just

893
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: really like, I just finished that. It was one of

894
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: the best books I've ever read. Right now, I'm reading

895
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: this second Mark Manson All Hope is ft because I

896
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: read the first one. Oh um, the subtle art, which

897
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: is which is great. I'm read. Yeah, I'm reading the

898
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: second one now. Pretty good, pretty good, capitalizing on the

899
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: first one a little bit or a little bit, just

900
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: just running with it a little more. Um, I do

901
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: like it. I also do this thing, why read multiple

902
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: books and once and a reading together too. And I'm

903
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: also reading Hillbilly Elergy, which Adam Hamburg gave me, which

904
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: I never read. Him just was talking about that there.

905
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: He was like, you got to read it. We went

906
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: to watch Arkansas game, so he gave it to me.

907
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: I'm reading that. I'm reading the Ben Folds biography because

908
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: I love Ben Folds. UM. And then my favorite book,

909
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: and it's was written in the late eighteen hundreds. But

910
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: have you read How to Win Friends and Influence Others?

911
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar, but I have not actually sat down

912
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: with it. Great. It's great in the way that most

913
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: of it still holds up today and it was written

914
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago, is it? What is it like?

915
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: A little bit of the style of it is like, well,

916
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the references, the references right are like

917
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: not like today yesterday, Churchill said, And you're like, what

918
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: that wasn't yesterday. So there's some of that. But I

919
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: read that once a year, so that there are two

920
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: books I read every year that um, How to Win

921
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: Friends and Influence Others? And I messed up the title,

922
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: and then I um every year I read um the

923
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: Four Agreements. I read that. No, I don't Oh, it's

924
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: so short. It'll change you for like a week, It'll

925
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: change you. So that's why you read it every year.

926
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: It's great. It's like, the thing that I take from

927
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: it is, don't sell it real quick. To me. Well,

928
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: first of all's really short. So even if you invest

929
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: in if bad, it's over and you're like, well, Bobby's

930
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: an idiot, you get into it the rest same reason

931
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: I got in to cheer, like I'm gonna show them

932
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: how much it sucks. I'll read I look at that. UM.

933
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: Never take anything personal in business ever, ever, And there's

934
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: a whole thing about that, because we work and we're

935
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: alongside people, we're running parallel, we're crossing with and we're

936
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: taking a lot of things personal. But we don't know

937
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: where people are coming from, we don't know why they're

938
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: doing it, we don't know their scenario. We're just seeing

939
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: everything from ours. And so that is something that is

940
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: just you read it and it really does adjust for

941
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: a while how you handle all of your relationships. Um,

942
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: but it's sure if you do read it, let me know.

943
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: You can read it in two days. It's like that

944
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: kind of that kind of book. I read the Notebook

945
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: in one day. That's fiction I read and loved, except

946
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: it's not fiction in my heart. I didn't read it.

947
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: Did you not know? In the beginning? The notebook that

948
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: what that? It was them in the end. In the

949
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: beginning I read it when I was like nineteen, I No,

950
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm an idiot. One of my friends brought it.

951
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: Why I read it one day? I didn't put it down.

952
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm not a big Are you a big guess? Or

953
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: when you start something, do you guess what's going to

954
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: happen later? Do you try to? Yes? Because I spend

955
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: too much time doing that, And then I get two stores.

956
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm chasing two different stories in the real kind? Which

957
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: one of my on? It's like which one ends up

958
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: being better? Usually though the one they wrote okay, yeah,

959
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: mine usually has an alien or talking about dogs. I

960
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: can explain a lot that plot hole. So those those books,

961
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: I feel like some of them make me feel better

962
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: only when I'm reading them, and some of them I

963
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: actually take things from. And that's the big difference for

964
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: me with like those like I keep saying self help,

965
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: that's it's like a dated term for them, but like

966
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, enhanced life productivity books whatever, you want

967
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: to call them. So I wrote one of those, right,

968
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: and it well, But I call mine a motivational book.

969
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: That's that's a really good way. I don't even know

970
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: if that's a term that is that that makes more sense,

971
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: But I would say my my second one is called

972
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: fail until You Don't is a motivational book. But I

973
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: don't take offense. I don't think it's self help. Well,

974
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: not not even offense. It's just I just feel like

975
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: the connotation with self help is kind of like, hey,

976
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: you're definitely wrong with you, but we do well, except

977
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: we don't. Because if everybody hasn't wrong with him, nobody

978
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: has anything wrong with the If everyone is broken, no

979
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: one is broken, because there's no such thing as broken.

980
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: If universally we're all the same and broken, that's not broken.

981
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: So no matter what motivate, you can motivate your motivational

982
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: the book's motivational. There we go me the book. Instead

983
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: of saying it's it's it's help for being broken, it's

984
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: you're motivating whether you're broken or not. Boom, Yes, But

985
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: I don't think we're broken. No, we're not, except we

986
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: all are, which makes none of us we're not. But

987
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: we totally therapist hates me sometimes because I'll go in

988
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: to be like, but here's the thing, Like what you

989
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: what were you philosophizing to right now? You're paying me

990
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty five bucks an hour to be

991
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: a philosophy. Um, so you are a Pats fan, I

992
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: am like big, So I'm gonna predict what's happening with

993
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and this is this is gonna live forever.

994
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: So you're you're on the record here right now. The

995
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: day is January. We're recording this. We don't know where

996
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is going to go, but being a Pats fan,

997
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: where does he spend his final year or two? I

998
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: spend maybe an hour every day thinking this through, and

999
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: I come to a definitive conclusion of what's going to happen.

1000
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: And then a little tidbit pops up on my phone

1001
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: and I question everything. I don't know if I can guess,

1002
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: do you. I'm gonna just do it for sport. You

1003
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: don't have to. I'll guess and you can tell me

1004
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: if you agree or not. I think I don't think

1005
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: there's any way he leaves New England this year. I

1006
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: think they put some weapons around him. I think you

1007
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: stay because I don't think he goes to San Diego.

1008
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: They can't win. I don't think he goes to Oakland.

1009
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: He's not going to Indianapolis. I think you just start

1010
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: peeling away his options. He's not going to Dallas and

1011
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: so so do you think he's doing all this talk

1012
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: just to play mind games and hope he gets what

1013
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: he wants in New England? He was probably open if

1014
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: teams today. Again, this could really bit me in the

1015
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: butt because we're just talking about this life. Like the

1016
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: charger said today, we're not going back to Phil Rivers.

1017
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: And so he already moved, has already moved to Florida.

1018
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: I heard right, and and today officially they're like but

1019
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: to be fair, Brady packed his crap up and moved

1020
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: out of his house too, But I heard conflicting stories

1021
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: on that. If you really and his trainer moved too,

1022
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot. It's it's dark, and I

1023
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: like the Patriots, like I didn't go in Boston like

1024
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: you did. But I like teams that win and and

1025
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: continue winning, and teams sometimes they don't like them for

1026
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: a couple of years. There's like a threshold when I'm

1027
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: like Okay, we get it. You're you're good two or

1028
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: three years, but after you get like four or five years,

1029
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, just respect now, like I respect the

1030
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: fact that you can continue win. I think he stays,

1031
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: and I think that Robert Kraft probably goes. We don't

1032
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: want him to retire anywhere else. He's seriously looking. He

1033
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: probably really looking. But I think they put a copy.

1034
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: You can't just throw it to one Edelman. But he

1035
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: wants more money and we're already paying like our defensive

1036
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: ton I think, and we have like a bunch of

1037
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: other like Antonio Brownson needs to get paid, and there's

1038
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: all these weird things, and then I'm in jail, and

1039
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: then I'm afraid of like this, remember this filming thing

1040
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: that them getting and recently like if they get if

1041
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: he leaves. Let's just say, let's put it this way.

1042
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: If Brady leaves and the filming thing comes down and

1043
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: we lose like a first round pick, or I'm going

1044
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: to just stop watching football. That's where I'm both hit

1045
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: you in the balls at the same time. Brady, I'm

1046
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: so afraid it's gonna hit one weekend and I'm just

1047
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: gonna be like I just gonna start watching rugby. But

1048
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: the Bengals they were filming sin Sanatie if I'm going

1049
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: from memory right, yes, which makes even less sense, but

1050
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: keep going right, and I believe the Bengals organization, and

1051
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: it all came out that they weren't really filming. Did

1052
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: you see the video that they got leaked of it? Though?

1053
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: What did it look like they were filming? It didn't

1054
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: look good at least not the astros. You could be

1055
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: an astros. That's worse. I'm glad that's taking the heat

1056
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: of all of it right now. That's bad. That's really bad.

1057
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Speaker 1: The mic, the your piece and the thing, the buzzer,

1058
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Remember remember I remember what's that the

1059
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: short dude when he hit the home RN he was

1060
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: holding this thing that is incriminating. He's running. That's the

1061
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: Netflix documentary already on that. He's like, don't tell much,

1062
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: don't tell because he's got of When when he did that,

1063
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: I was like, that's weird. Is he's just superstitious or well?

1064
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: What he said was his you know, he's very modest.

1065
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: I know what he said. I'm not buying any of that.

1066
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: Did you write today I wrote today? Anything good? Uh? Yeah,

1067
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: it's cool, we're we haven't finished it yet. I like,

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00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: I like taking my time this year. This year is

1069
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: my don't just rush to get a song done year.

1070
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: Not that I do that normally, but we're gonna We're

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00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: gonna finish another day and make it the best that

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00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: it can be. What's right? What's it to you? Like?

1073
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: What's the goal? Um? Just um, just keep rolling and

1074
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: use the good energy and like another thing from a

1075
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: book that the twenty rule. Are you familiar with that?

1076
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: Like you get eighty percent of your benefits basically from

1077
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: t of your whatever you do kind of thing. Um,

1078
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to find what that of my

1079
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: life is that's the most productive and just focus on that.

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00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: I kind of can sometimes get lost and like his

1081
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: song might not be that great, but I'm really determined

1082
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: to make the demos sound better. So the song, it's

1083
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: just like I gotta cut ties with things that aren't

1084
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: perfect and just work on what is the best focus?

1085
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the word. Any goal, like specific goal you'd

1086
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: like to hit this year? Trop of that triple you

1087
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: get that that they all three number one? I would

1088
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: I don't really look at things in terms of that.

1089
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: I've I've never been a big planner of like my

1090
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: one year plan, my five year plan ten. I've never

1091
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: been that kind of guy. I've always just on a feeling.

1092
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: Like I joined the band on a whim. I I skipped,

1093
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: I left high school early. I joined it. That worked

1094
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: out for me. I I felt the need to move

1095
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: to l A. I felt they need to move to Nashville.

1096
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: Just always have done the thing and followed kind of

1097
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: my passion and found what I need. So, um, not

1098
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: any big like. I mean, I could say I want

1099
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: like ten number ones this year. That's a cool goal,

1100
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: but like, don't really look at it in terms of that.

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00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's recap what we've learned. We've done

1102
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: a lot. We've talked books. And you have a tattoo

1103
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: of a book. I think that is a bad A

1104
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: tattoo of someone reading a book where oh she is

1105
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: reading a book that I don't know. Interesting. Um, So

1106
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: we talked books, we talked Patriots. If Brady leaves and

1107
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: you lose a first rounder or are find a bunch

1108
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: of money, that's just my depressed minds. You're gonna I

1109
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: know we're good. I love Brady, I love the Pats.

1110
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: They owe me nothing. They've done everything for me at

1111
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: the best childhood growing up watching that, I'm good love them.

1112
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: Would you rather the Pats win a Super Bowl and

1113
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: have to vacate it or not win one at all,

1114
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: win it and have to give it back? Not that,

1115
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: not win at all. We're good. We're good, clean slate

1116
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: if if all we get is this, we have a

1117
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: little dark period for a while. I'm fine with that

1118
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: famous last words. Until you're deep in the dark period,

1119
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: I know then it's I've lived a dark Perido's back

1120
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: football fan hard, I've lived in the dark period. I

1121
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: vicariously lived through that because I think about Adam every

1122
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: time it's on and Justin Moore. All of us are

1123
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 1: big we I mean, I can feel. I can't feel

1124
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: for you, but I can understand a little bit, So

1125
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We all go to games together like that's

1126
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: a tight knit group of where they I don't. I'm

1127
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: not a big college person. They were good like what

1128
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: years ago? Right, well were they ever? Like dominant in

1129
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: the sixties? We want a national championship and then we

1130
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: did pretty well in the Southwest Conference back when we

1131
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: were te toddlers. We were very close with Bob Patrino.

1132
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: We're one game away from the national championship. And then

1133
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: he got in trouble for hooking up with the girl

1134
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 1: that worked with him. Dude beat him up that worked

1135
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: in the administration because that was his fiancee. The whole

1136
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: thing he got run out, program started over. We haven't

1137
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: been success. Is that worse or is cheating in the

1138
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: game worse? I believe there's cheating in the game at

1139
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: all points, all the time. So when it comes out,

1140
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: it's just everyone was doing it kind of thing. We

1141
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: are caught. We did. I wish we would cheat more.

1142
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: I would be honest, because we still I'd like a

1143
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: little cheating. If it leaves with a little victory, I'll

1144
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: take it. It works, Yeah, okay, I see, I see that.

1145
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: I know, and then let the haters hate. I get

1146
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: I have no winning. We're the greatest sports and that sucks.

1147
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't like being a good sport. I like money sometimes.

1148
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: Um so, and we're gonna get boys that goes back

1149
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: together and you're gonna play on the morning show. Love that.

1150
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: Um I'm gonna take two because probably you think me

1151
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: taking two percent? You guys an ba together the first one, No,

1152
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, no, the original first one love

1153
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: love that and Mike, anything else that we learned here today,

1154
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: I feel like we've got a good one. Anything else.

1155
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: You don't make as much money producing as writing a

1156
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: hit song, but you do make more money producing than

1157
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: writing a song, because most songs you write you don't

1158
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: get any money for. Yeah, it's it's all the numbers game.

1159
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: But this this job, you gotta do it for the past.

1160
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: You gotta do it for the love. If I only

1161
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: cared about money, I would have done something else said

1162
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: I truly it sounds cheesy, but I really love waking

1163
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: up and just seeing what happens every day. I really

1164
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: do love it. Look you sound like Russell Dickerson. That

1165
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: guy wakes up and it's like the world is great. No,

1166
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't mean alright. I usually wake up and Michael,

1167
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: I have to do this all over again, Russell. I

1168
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: love that guy. He wakes up and it's like he's

1169
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: got he's got energy. Yeah, it's amazing. I also, Mike,

1170
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: just send me this note to the bold type has

1171
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: a ninety percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Dude, crazy right,

1172
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah that's high. That's yeah, that's extremely high. And tell

1173
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: Katie said, hello, I will all right, there we go.

1174
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: This has been a good one episode. And follow Paul

1175
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: Paul b LG on Instagram and Twitter. Paul b LG

1176
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter. And as long as you're b LG,

1177
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: it's always a lie, it's a lie. It's always breathing,

1178
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: because boys, that girl is always right there my fingertips, Hey, Mike,

1179
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: would you before would you give me a little more

1180
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: of the Great Escape? I want to hear it back

1181
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: to my ears out here and on my board's dead.

1182
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: Oh well, I will sing it there forget. Yes, little

1183
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow. I got to go on the air

1184
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: tomorrow with a blowing boy. Alright, Episode five. Thank you

1185
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: very much. We'll see you guys next time.