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Speaker 1: What can we learn from other crime victims, parents who

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Speaker 1: and protect your children. You know what, when I gave birth,

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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this A baby

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Speaker 1: friend Bill Curtis, American Justice. When paramedics arrived, Woodward led

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Speaker 1: Fox contributor joining me out of Manhattan. Doctor Daniel Bober,

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: on True Crime Network. Joe Scott Morgan, Tom Peterie, America's

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Speaker 1: leading personal safety expert and author of Tom Petteri's Personal

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Speaker 1: I'm still a little concerned to give it myself, never

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Speaker 1: have been given to children of that age, any infant.

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Speaker 1: It can collect seizures, a rhythmia, and koma death. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the things I think parents need to be sure of

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Speaker 1: are outright. We not to give any medication without a

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Speaker 1: discussion first and without a physician's approval. Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Courtney Cole CBS forty seven, Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: This mother of two says she was devastated to hear

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Speaker 1: about the death of an infant here at Ewing's Love

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Speaker 1: and Hope Preschool and Academy Here on Lenox Avenue. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like you can trust that casts anymore. But

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Speaker 1: you really have no option if you don't have anyone

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Speaker 1: to keep your kids while their kids don't go here.

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Speaker 1: She says it makes her want to keep an even

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Speaker 1: closer eye on her three and five year olds. Tesso

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Speaker 1: says they were called out to the center just after

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Speaker 1: one this afternoon. When they arrived, they tried to help

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Speaker 1: jeff Art resuscitate the unconscious infant who wasn't breathing while

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Speaker 1: in a car seat. The child was immediately taken to

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Speaker 1: the hospital. Carl Horn, who works right across the street,

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Speaker 1: said he didn't know what to think when he saw

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Speaker 1: all the police cars come back out. Later came to

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Speaker 1: find out it was a tragedy and cop cars, lights

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Speaker 1: going cast and see crime scene, that sort of things, says.

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Speaker 1: No other children at the facility were hurt, Love and hope, preschool, daycare,

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Speaker 1: anything but and that baby girls not the only one

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Speaker 1: listen to our frenzy KATV News. Police describe the disregard

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Speaker 1: for safety protocols as reckless. The family wouldn't be planned

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Speaker 1: at a funeral, They would be waiting for Christopher get

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Speaker 1: almost afternoon, but police say four employees didn't do their jobs.

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Speaker 1: The driver, Felicia Phillips and her assistant Pamela Robinson, were

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Speaker 1: responsible for unloading the kids, who were then supposed to

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Speaker 1: be checked off a list by transportation supervisor Wanta Taylor

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Speaker 1: when they walked in the classroom. She actually checked him

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Speaker 1: in as being in the classroom, though he never made

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Speaker 1: it into the classroom. Kendra Washington was the fourth line

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Speaker 1: of defense. She's supposed to go outside and look in

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Speaker 1: the vans. So the daycare had all these precautions. This

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Speaker 1: one is supposed to get the children out of the van.

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Speaker 1: This one is supposed to check the van. This one's

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Speaker 1: supposed to check the children in as they come in

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Speaker 1: the door. This one's supposed to go out and search

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Speaker 1: the van. Again, that's odd. Five Lell levels of protocol

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Speaker 1: and they were all totally ignored. And yet another baby

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Speaker 1: a daycare dies and a hot van. Speaking of in

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Speaker 1: home nanny's in babysitters, you got to do a background check.

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Speaker 1: They're easy to do. You can actually do them online.

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Speaker 1: If the babysitter won't give you a full name in DAB,

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Speaker 1: you got the wrong candidate. Also, make sure you look

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Speaker 1: at their social media. You don't want somebody out I

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Speaker 1: sucking on a bog or driving drunk with a bottle

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Speaker 1: in their hand in the car. You can learn so

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Speaker 1: much you It's on you, you parent. It's your duty

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Speaker 1: to check out who is with your children, not just

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Speaker 1: the babysitters, but the teachers at school two. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've checked every one of my teachers out from my children.

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Speaker 1: That's twins, and there are different classes. That's a lot

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Speaker 1: of teachers. Same thing goes for credit check. Trust me.

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Speaker 1: You may think I'm going overboard. You'll thank me later.

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Speaker 1: Don't judge a book by its cover. Please don't. These daycarees,

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Speaker 1: teachers and in home babysitters they look great. The babies

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Speaker 1: are dead. Don't judge the book by the cover. Look

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Speaker 1: them up on social media, ask friends, neighbors, or co

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Speaker 1: workers for recommendations. You can do initial screenings over the phone.

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Speaker 1: I will never forget the first babysitters I was getting

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Speaker 1: for the twins when we would be in Atlanta. They

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Speaker 1: sounded great on the phone. Their recommendations look great. I

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Speaker 1: met with them their three sisters. They stumped a high

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Speaker 1: heaven of nicotine. Now you know babies that are exposed

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Speaker 1: to nicotine have a higher chance of sid's sudden infant

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Speaker 1: death syndrome. I said, hey, do y'all smoke and they

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Speaker 1: went no, So you know, I believe I said, we

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Speaker 1: were just in somewhere and everybody was smoking. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: so I just had a feeling. I met with them again.

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Speaker 1: They stunt of smoke again, all three of them. Number one,

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Speaker 1: they were lying. And number two, if they were too

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Speaker 1: dumb to chew gum and change clothes, they're not smart

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Speaker 1: enough to keep the children. I can't tell you that

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Speaker 1: right now. If possible interview with a husband, partner, or

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Speaker 1: a friend, they may pick up on things you don't.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, here it does smell them. The last thing

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Speaker 1: you want is somebody that smells or reeks a pot

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Speaker 1: or alcohol taking care of your baby before you formerly

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Speaker 1: hire them. Get that background check. Don't be embarrassed. Get

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Speaker 1: a nanny cam. Don't even get me started about how

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Speaker 1: many people have caught babysitters and daycare workers dragging their

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Speaker 1: children around, slapping them in the face, typically in home

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Speaker 1: nanny cam's. I vote for live streaming in daycare. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: listening to me. They even have live streaming where they

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Speaker 1: take care of your cat and dog, why not your baby.

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Speaker 1: Try the nanny for a short while a week or so.

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Speaker 1: Make it clear it's a test run. Make sure you're

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Speaker 1: nanny nos CPR in first aid. Check the driving history.

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Speaker 1: You don't want your nanny or your babysitter driving your

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Speaker 1: child around when they have a driving history. As long

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Speaker 1: as my left arm, take a listen to Dominique Sasha KPRC.

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Speaker 1: Smoke pouring from a home daycare the chilling call to

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Speaker 1: nine and the daycare owner, Jessica Tata, arrested, charged and

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Speaker 1: sent to prison for eighty years after leaving a group

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Speaker 1: of children alone with a pan of grease on the

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Speaker 1: stove while she went shopping. Four of the seven children

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Speaker 1: inside that daycare died. Tiffany Dickerson had two children at

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Speaker 1: Jessica Tata's daycare on February twenty four, twenty eleven. Her

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Speaker 1: three year old son, Shamari, never made it out, but

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Speaker 1: her daughter Michaela, then two years old, survived, but was

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Speaker 1: severely burned. I pulled back the sheeting she like appealed lobster.

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Speaker 1: All I saw was flesh, and I was just thinking

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Speaker 1: to myself, like, I don't know how they're going to

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Speaker 1: save her legs. Michaela was rushed to Shriner's Hospital in Galveston,

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Speaker 1: where Tiffany credits the medical team with saving Michaela's legs

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Speaker 1: and placing her on a path to recovery. I don't

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Speaker 1: want you to be upset. I'm getting upset just hearing this.

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Speaker 1: But what I want you to do is take action

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Speaker 1: and protect your children. I know, we don't want to

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Speaker 1: think that the babysitter, of the nanny or the daycare

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Speaker 1: could be negligent. Like this woman was Tata who actually

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Speaker 1: went to Target. She wasn't even in a hurry, according

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Speaker 1: to the shop, to the salespeople, She's just taking her time,

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Speaker 1: leaving all those children at home with a stove on

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Speaker 1: and a pan of hot grease. If you think you've

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Speaker 1: heard it all, I hate to be the one to

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Speaker 1: break it to you. You haven't take a list of

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Speaker 1: our friends at ABCGMA this morning. A mother is suing

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Speaker 1: over troubling footage showing preschoolers taking part in what she

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Speaker 1: calls a toddler fight club. In the twenty sixteen video,

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Speaker 1: teachers are seen cheering the young children on one jumps

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Speaker 1: enthusiastically while the other helps students put on toy fists.

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Speaker 1: One little boy on camera tries to bring up the fight.

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Speaker 1: The incident came to light after a ten year old

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Speaker 1: boy captured this video on his iPad showing his four

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Speaker 1: year old brother allegedly being forced to fight with another student.

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Speaker 1: They're fighting. He went and had his iPad on him

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Speaker 1: that day. Who knows if we even would have found

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Speaker 1: out about this. The boy's mother, Nicole Mercial, immediately reported

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Speaker 1: the incident to the school and to authorities, but while

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Speaker 1: the two teachers seen in the video were fired, the

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Speaker 1: state did not file any criminal charges. I'm no one's

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Speaker 1: being held accountable, and if I'm not a voice for

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Speaker 1: my children, who will be now? Mercille is suing a

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Speaker 1: daycare for more than twenty five thousand dollars and hopes

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Speaker 1: the state will reconsider filing charges. A taught fight club

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Speaker 1: led by the teachers. Don't be a victim, and don't

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Speaker 1: let your children be victims. They can't speak for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Fight back against America's crime way. Nancy Gray's crime Story

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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye Friend,