Speaker 1: Welcome to the Greatest, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of the Greatest. I
Speaker 1: Am Maggy Bailey joined with my co host and husband
Speaker 1: co host first husband c J. Tolodonno. Um, we have
Speaker 1: the NBA Playoffs on mute. In the background, Jalen Rose
Speaker 1: is sitting in the fans section of the Pacers. These
Speaker 1: white boys on the heat. They're pissing me off. I
Speaker 1: do not like them. Um, c J, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great now. It's awesome that it's eleven am.
Speaker 1: I know we're on the West Coast, but just having
Speaker 1: basketball kickoff at ten am, especially after not having it
Speaker 1: for months, has just been a true blessing. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it just has raised my mood over the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: Ten am is like we're up, but it is a
Speaker 1: little like shocking, and I guess it makes me also
Speaker 1: feel like you think the Pacers need to be on
Speaker 1: it tending, you know, like you get to watch the
Speaker 1: Lakers private one p m. East Coast. You gotta remember
Speaker 1: that that's not prime basketball time, all right, easy, easy, Well,
Speaker 1: we'll get you riled up in other ways. Excuse me, No,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just you know, you're gonna roll me up. No,
Speaker 1: you don't gonna get rolled up by sports. My parents
Speaker 1: listen to that. I know, I know you're the one
Speaker 1: whose mind is in the gutter. But speaking of Jalen Rose,
Speaker 1: Detroit's own, we have a very special guest on today's episode,
Speaker 1: shock or smon from the ringer. We're gonna say from
Speaker 1: the ringer, but we're gonna let you explain why that
Speaker 1: needs some clarification. Welcome to the show, and thank you
Speaker 1: an incredible segue. Yeah, I should also mention at the top,
Speaker 1: because you know, Pacers fan Pistons, I was at the
Speaker 1: mouth of the palace. That's right, bad blood off the top. No,
Speaker 1: let's I mean this is you know, we like to
Speaker 1: talk about these things, so I would love to hear
Speaker 1: about your experience there. So my confession is so I
Speaker 1: was your Yeah, eight nine year old kids, don't incriminate yourself. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: I My dad at the time had work in the
Speaker 1: morning and we lived an hour from the stadium, and
Speaker 1: so he's like, you know, the Pistons, We're losing that
Speaker 1: game by like nine points or something late, and he's like,
Speaker 1: let's just let's just go home. Let's beat the trap
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, fine, Normally I
Speaker 1: would put up a fight. It wasn't a bad mood
Speaker 1: to find. Let's go. And the second we walk out
Speaker 1: the front door, it's and Woolas shoves our test under
Speaker 1: the room. So you know how they have those like
Speaker 1: loud speakers outside the stadium so that you can hear
Speaker 1: for the parking lot, and so we're listening to this
Speaker 1: happened while we're in the parking lot. And then I
Speaker 1: go into we go into the car and we turn
Speaker 1: on the radio and it's like, well, ship, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be. That's gonna be. Why didn't we leave that game? Now?
Speaker 1: Is that a feeling of yeah? Is it a feeling
Speaker 1: of regret? Like did you want to just be a
Speaker 1: witness to it or say you were there? Or so
Speaker 1: I'll say, like part of me is like, man, I
Speaker 1: wish it was there to be such a good story,
Speaker 1: and the other part remembers like like I was at
Speaker 1: the Kevin Ware game, Oh my gosh, and like seeing
Speaker 1: that in real time, just knowing like how that messed
Speaker 1: me up for like a month, having if I was
Speaker 1: like a nine year old or eight year old, how
Speaker 1: old I was at the bounce of the house and
Speaker 1: I was there in the room. I think that certainly
Speaker 1: would ask some like long lasting effects that I yet, wow,
Speaker 1: that would be So we got to find a kid
Speaker 1: that was there and see how what they turned out
Speaker 1: to be. Right, Well, we'll find like whatever guy through
Speaker 1: a beer on our tests and like we'll find the
Speaker 1: guy Germaine O'Neil almost murdered. Well, yeah, so tell me
Speaker 1: because as a kid, obviously I was like, this is
Speaker 1: messed up. I hate run our test and all that,
Speaker 1: but you know, part of me is to look deeper in,
Speaker 1: you know, to the motivation and all parties involved. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very sympathetic towards our test. The right, right,
Speaker 1: there's a lot. There was a lot going on. So
Speaker 1: like there was Ronald test files Ben Wallace hard I
Speaker 1: think a day or two after his brother dies. Ben's
Speaker 1: obviously like a tough guy and wanted to like push
Speaker 1: back in the emotional place. Ron art Test you know,
Speaker 1: went to the scores table after I forget who brought
Speaker 1: him there to like try to pull down absolutely fan
Speaker 1: instigates it. Ron runs into the sands, everyone else runs
Speaker 1: and to try to get him back they start throwing
Speaker 1: punches at them, so punches back. Um, everyone, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go out and say everyone was in the wrong. But
Speaker 1: also there are different degrees to how much you were
Speaker 1: in the wrong clue. I mean, yeah, the walking for
Speaker 1: the tunnel is like a haunting image of everything that
Speaker 1: was being thrown. You're just like, yeah, like just falling
Speaker 1: to the sky. Yeah, that's beyond mess stuff and there's
Speaker 1: no justification for that whatsoever. Yeah, everything was a mess.
Speaker 1: Highly recommend the oral history from Grantlond. I believe it
Speaker 1: by Johnathan Aghbraham's shout out though to those Detroit Pistons
Speaker 1: who won the title of the year before because of
Speaker 1: you know, I hate that it's burned in my memory.
Speaker 1: It's funny. It's the second greatest block in NBA history.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Uh, it is a beautiful block. And
Speaker 1: I when I was working the Pistons, I used to
Speaker 1: just walk around the building and yeah, the thing I
Speaker 1: also want to hear about, you know, your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the move down to Detroit, but are down to downtown.
Speaker 1: But the Palace just never like moved on from that era,
Speaker 1: which I think was cool. And I remember just like
Speaker 1: going up to the suits and there were I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you knew about this, but there
Speaker 1: was like Tasson's neighborhood and there was just a sweet
Speaker 1: just decked out in Tasion stuff. And I know, Megan,
Speaker 1: this is before we started dating, but I always loved
Speaker 1: that sort of branding of Tashian's neighborhood and all like
Speaker 1: I have. I think I have like Tashon merch somewhere
Speaker 1: in a box in our garage. Well maybe it should
Speaker 1: stay there. But so, yes, I just watched a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago. The Palace was uh, they destroyed it, which yeah,
Speaker 1: I still don't know much of the reason behind going down.
Speaker 1: I think I peace rest in peace. But it was
Speaker 1: a beautiful stadium. Yeah, so the Palace. When the Pistons
Speaker 1: were good, the Palace would sell out. I think they
Speaker 1: sold out every game for like nine was like incredible.
Speaker 1: The kind of fandom there. But the Palace, as you know,
Speaker 1: is like thirty thirty minutes outside of Metro Detroit. It's
Speaker 1: in Auburn Hills. It was in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1: It was right next to Bill Davidson's like company's campus,
Speaker 1: which is why it was built there. He owned the land.
Speaker 1: He built it himself until it made sense for that
Speaker 1: kind of it just had the room for it. They
Speaker 1: moved downtown frankly because the team didn't. When they got worse,
Speaker 1: people were traveling to Auburn Hills. They needed to upgrade
Speaker 1: the stadium anyway, because it was like thirty years old
Speaker 1: or something. And yeah, I mean it's a bummer, but
Speaker 1: I'm assuming the slice, as I called all Caesar's Arena
Speaker 1: is uh, it's easier to like get foot traffic in
Speaker 1: in a non pandemic situation when it's just in the
Speaker 1: middle of the town and that anyway, and it's a
Speaker 1: it's a city who I don't think I'm like saying
Speaker 1: anything crazy here, who sort of needed a revitalization of downtown.
Speaker 1: And like the move we see so often is places
Speaker 1: stadiums are downtown and then they moved further away, and
Speaker 1: this was a reverse of that. And so it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to, like, as an outsider, be against it.
Speaker 1: It seems like like a feel good situation and it's not.
Speaker 1: So the two biggest benefactors in Measure Detroit are Dan
Speaker 1: Gilbert and Tom Ill before he died, I think combined
Speaker 1: in like the ten years before I let side, they
Speaker 1: spent a combined like five billion dollars investing or three
Speaker 1: billion or something investing in Meture Detroit UM. And part
Speaker 1: of that is in your selfless. They want to make
Speaker 1: their time better. And part of it is you're they're
Speaker 1: buying dilapidated buildings and land for pennies on the dollar
Speaker 1: and they know that when the boom kicks that in,
Speaker 1: they're going to be super rich or even more super
Speaker 1: HSI than the already. But the benefit is still there,
Speaker 1: Like having an actual like teter and Sports district and
Speaker 1: Meture Detroit is really cool. There's a lot of interest
Speaker 1: with like gentrification of the area. But the point is
Speaker 1: I agree having stuff in metric to chart to school. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: yeah so you yeah, I left the ring Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do want to get into that. So last day at
Speaker 1: the Ringer, I guess, well, let's start back. Let's start
Speaker 1: back kind of how you you've got into sports? Is
Speaker 1: your fandom across all Detroit sports teams? Yeah, huge Detroit
Speaker 1: sports fan. I grew up also like a Michigan basketball,
Speaker 1: Michigan football fan, um, because that was you know, growing
Speaker 1: up Michigan, you're either a state fan or of Michigan
Speaker 1: fan blue and Gold um or amazing Blue pardon um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, then ended up going to do for college.
Speaker 1: Began a young Duke fan. Naturally, I probably were my
Speaker 1: title as a duke bag, but yeah, you know, right
Speaker 1: after school, was lucky enough to get an internship with
Speaker 1: the Ringer and then a full time position. Been there
Speaker 1: for about three years. Like I said, today is my
Speaker 1: last day. It's very sase. So if you're an editor
Speaker 1: looking for a researcher a fact checker, hit me, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty good. Now I find YouTube be one of like
Speaker 1: the kindest people you could encounter in sports, and and
Speaker 1: you're part of the comedy community because you love going
Speaker 1: to shows and friends with comedians. Now, when you meet
Speaker 1: someone who doesn't know a lot about you but they
Speaker 1: find out that you're a Michigan fan and a Duke fan,
Speaker 1: do they immediately try and fight you? So? I think
Speaker 1: they would, So like I should, I should prepas my
Speaker 1: two hometowns like I'm from porture On, Michigan, but like
Speaker 1: on a national scale, what I say, I'm from around
Speaker 1: Detroit because that's easier. My two hometowns that are Detroit,
Speaker 1: Michigan and Danascus, Syria. I should be much more intimidating
Speaker 1: than I am. Softest person ever with that background. So
Speaker 1: I think I say that and they just take pity
Speaker 1: because they're just like, oh, look at you, I don't
Speaker 1: want this is your stuff. Okay, that's good then, And
Speaker 1: so you got the Ringer right out of college, Yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It was very lucky. I got right as
Speaker 1: I was in school and you know, looking for jobs,
Speaker 1: I applied for an internship. They're just unbelievably lucky that
Speaker 1: they decided I was worth the taking a flyer on
Speaker 1: and that they've been gave me a full time job
Speaker 1: and uh one that I kept for the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. And I loved my time there. I should
Speaker 1: say Ringer Union forever. Support them. They're doing great work.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I loved Beside. I'm sad to go, but
Speaker 1: it was time for something. Well, give us your your
Speaker 1: your biggest takeaway, or like, your your best memory from
Speaker 1: the Ringer on your last day. Here my best memory
Speaker 1: from the Ringer. What is it? Sorry, she's launching the game.
Speaker 1: I'm a turnover. It's going to the second half. I'm
Speaker 1: being terribly rude. I'm I can't even believe I'm embarrassed. Listen,
Speaker 1: we should point out it's not Megan's fault because t
Speaker 1: J Warren the greatest basketball players Florida. My eyes cannot
Speaker 1: look away from t J. But we can't do count.
Speaker 1: He was he was, I think a senior when I
Speaker 1: was a freshman. He was an m C State and
Speaker 1: I was a dude, and it was cool watching him.
Speaker 1: But at no point was I like, yeah, that guy
Speaker 1: is gonna just shut down every team in the league
Speaker 1: for like six nights and then go back to being fine.
Speaker 1: It's going back to being fine and just you know, playoff.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler is a psycho. Um and but yeah, I
Speaker 1: think all Jimmy Butler is a psycho. I think I
Speaker 1: don't think we need that. Right. There's varying degrees of
Speaker 1: psycho Jimmy, but we're seeing a peak of it. Right.
Speaker 1: You heard that he brought some like incredible coffee machine
Speaker 1: and is charging his own teammates twenty dollars for a
Speaker 1: cup of coffee. He's a business now. He's like and
Speaker 1: he and there was no mention of him like donating it.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's twenty dollars and that money is coming
Speaker 1: to me. Look Jimmy Butler might understand. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he does, but I hope he does. Capitalism is
Speaker 1: just a monster. But you know, good for him for
Speaker 1: taking advantage. Yeah, okay, now back to your favorite Ringer
Speaker 1: moment by moment, um, I'm gonna pause it. Two of
Speaker 1: them in that's for One of them was the story
Speaker 1: that still pends my Twitter page from the eve of
Speaker 1: the World Up Final. I've loved Entity's done my entire
Speaker 1: life soccer team. I had a weird session with them,
Speaker 1: and being able to write at length about the kind
Speaker 1: of like multicultural background and the history of the team
Speaker 1: with French culture and the country's issue with racism, I
Speaker 1: think was really cool and I got I love to
Speaker 1: be able to do that. Um. The other one is
Speaker 1: just being able to I made a lot of earlier
Speaker 1: friends there, like Zach Pram and hallelu Getty, Riley Maczie
Speaker 1: and all of these other incredible writers my boss correct games,
Speaker 1: who are just some of the best in the business
Speaker 1: and are frankly like incredible, And I was so lucky
Speaker 1: to be around them, let them hear my dumb jokes
Speaker 1: and then correct me when I was wrong. It's just
Speaker 1: like an incredible. My dog is stretching in the back.
Speaker 1: I love your dog. She's a good girl. I see
Speaker 1: her just in a little corner. Hell, well that's great. Okay.
Speaker 1: See here's an awesome another awesome segue. So you're a
Speaker 1: Michigan fan. Uh, and that kind of brings I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's gonna be brought up in today. Is topic greatest
Speaker 1: We're calling it greatest fun ups, which we can say,
Speaker 1: but for the sake of title and promotion, we're gonna
Speaker 1: call it greatest Sports mess Ups. Like that, and so
Speaker 1: we all have our three. And again, I don't want
Speaker 1: to tip the hat, but that was that was a
Speaker 1: segue there. And this is something where it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when Shaker and I were discussing the topic, we were
Speaker 1: both thinking like person based, Um, like who is an
Speaker 1: athlete or someone associated with sports who fucked up a lot.
Speaker 1: But it could also be interpreted as as an incident
Speaker 1: or as something going terribly wrong. I have a couple
Speaker 1: of incidents on my list. Yeah, me too, I have incidents,
Speaker 1: but there's some that incident is tied to a person,
Speaker 1: you know, so like an incident does not just happen
Speaker 1: with no people involved. Um, so we'll tie those people
Speaker 1: to it. Okay, so Shocker, you are our guests. Lead
Speaker 1: us off with your third pick for greatest sports fuck ups.
Speaker 1: So this is the reverse orders. This is my I
Speaker 1: have to go with something. It's a little reason, um,
Speaker 1: but it's a personal favorite. My third is j R. Smith.
Speaker 1: In game one of the Lebron James has fifty one points.
Speaker 1: They have a chance to see what went on the
Speaker 1: road against the Warriors. Obviously everyone knows the Counts Warriors.
Speaker 1: They're down one of seven, one oh six. Le Bron
Speaker 1: gets the ball on a switch, has Curry on him
Speaker 1: under the arm. He throws a pass to George Hill,
Speaker 1: whose fouled. It goes to the line. Will makes the
Speaker 1: first I don't one oh seven. Then he misses the second.
Speaker 1: Gr grabs the rebound right under the red five seconds left.
Speaker 1: He can either put it up, you can pass it out,
Speaker 1: you can do whatever. The Counts have a chance to
Speaker 1: win the game in regulations. Is crazy. He decided to
Speaker 1: run up. Uh. There's a video of him saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought there was I thought we were ahead. I
Speaker 1: thought there was this Lebron if you watch it back,
Speaker 1: is like pointing at the him iconic and then you
Speaker 1: have the meme there's a fight between Tristan Thompson and Draymond.
Speaker 1: After that they lose an overtime. They missed their first
Speaker 1: five field goals. Asked about that video where he says,
Speaker 1: H on video, like, you know, I thought we were ahead.
Speaker 1: The next day he says, I might have said that.
Speaker 1: It just needs so perfectly. J Jr. Is I think
Speaker 1: a man of true absolutes. In Jr's heights, he is
Speaker 1: unbelievably fun. He's shirtless on top of the car in
Speaker 1: a parade, He's dancing. Barack Obama's telling him where a
Speaker 1: shirt will come to the White House. I fully believe.
Speaker 1: I don't think you've been buying j R. Smith jersey.
Speaker 1: I think and you just go outside shirtless and drink
Speaker 1: Kinnessey like the Adams in the universe combined to make
Speaker 1: a JR. Jersey. Um. I love him to death, but
Speaker 1: in that moment, that was the most j R j R. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's it's like he is so lovable, like he's
Speaker 1: someone if you're like a teacher, where he sucks up
Speaker 1: and you're like, come on, j R. Whereas like if
Speaker 1: someone else were to fuck like a trash can would
Speaker 1: be on fire. Hi doggy, she's so big now. I
Speaker 1: brought her onto the video because you know, uh, podcasting
Speaker 1: video format. Yeah, but you guys, I hope you can
Speaker 1: tell from my voice as a really sweet doggie here. Um.
Speaker 1: I love JR. And I always like, I never want
Speaker 1: people to be mean to him. You know, like we
Speaker 1: make fun of him a lot, but it's like being
Speaker 1: nice to j R. He's got a sweet heart. I
Speaker 1: wish he was still going live from the Bubble. I
Speaker 1: obviously missed as we all miss it. It was perfect.
Speaker 1: He got reprimanded the first day was there. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just is He's a delight And this is a
Speaker 1: type of topic that could like get dark and sad,
Speaker 1: and j R Is someone where it's like, yeah he
Speaker 1: fox up, but he like means well and and is
Speaker 1: just I have so much love for him. J R.
Speaker 1: Play is the kind of basketball I love. Like there's
Speaker 1: that boy gave once where He's like sometimes if I'm
Speaker 1: wide open, I wait for a defender to commy. It's
Speaker 1: more fun for me to take contested shots. It's like,
Speaker 1: who are you other than my favorite player? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean that that is I love that. I want to
Speaker 1: root for that, and it's more of like, uh, it's
Speaker 1: just like solid characteristics. Um and you you said you
Speaker 1: don't know if you can buy a Jarr Smith jersey.
Speaker 1: You can't, but you can customize them. And so that's
Speaker 1: why I have a Lakers twenty one with swish on
Speaker 1: the back that Megan is like, yeah, so more money,
Speaker 1: well spec Now, I don't know if after game one
Speaker 1: of my wonderful oh my gosh, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: rent until I die and then I'll be a casket Listen.
Speaker 1: I've stopped with my jersey's. I've put them all away recently. Uh,
Speaker 1: and there will be no more. But j r Ja
Speaker 1: is a good pick, and it's funny that we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: game one of the two eighteen finals. But also he
Speaker 1: beat up a kid during the protest recently and the
Speaker 1: thing is not a funk up, not a funk up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what's It's great that JR just like
Speaker 1: every story here about Jeremike, of course, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: surprised and we still love him. Great first pick. Happy,
Speaker 1: it's sort of like a happy note to keep it
Speaker 1: off off with. Although okay, so my number three is
Speaker 1: Plaxico Berris shooting himself in the leg in a nightclub.
Speaker 1: I mean, so at the time Plaxico was on the Giants,
Speaker 1: he was in a nightclub and in New York having
Speaker 1: a concealed or unregistered or whatever it was weapon was
Speaker 1: a felony, and I think and the in the midst
Speaker 1: of him trying to do something, the gun fell and
Speaker 1: discharged and he shot himself in his own leg. So
Speaker 1: he was injured and then also in trouble with the law,
Speaker 1: and he was able to come back from the injury.
Speaker 1: But Plaxico was like incredible beforehand, and then he never
Speaker 1: really was able to recapture what he was before. And
Speaker 1: whether that has to do with his leg having a
Speaker 1: bullet in it or or or like the mental embarrassment.
Speaker 1: I did see him on Celebrity Wife Swap and he
Speaker 1: and I don't years ago, and he does seem like
Speaker 1: a like I don't think Plexico is like bad or
Speaker 1: like shitty or a horrible person, but I do think
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny that he shot himself in his
Speaker 1: own leg. Yeah. So Katie Baker, who's a huge Giants
Speaker 1: fan and one of my favorite ringer writers, had a
Speaker 1: big story about ten years after. I think it was
Speaker 1: years after the flash going that, I highly recommend anyone
Speaker 1: who wants to learn more about it talk about Um.
Speaker 1: It is also wild to me that I believe you
Speaker 1: went to jail shooting himself. Yeah. Yeah, because it's like
Speaker 1: like there's you know, the victim has decided to not
Speaker 1: press charges, like he would face that that one, but
Speaker 1: it was Yeah, it was a concealed weapon that he
Speaker 1: was not allowed to have. Yeah, and Plaxico is such
Speaker 1: a fun name, Like he just sound and he's sounds
Speaker 1: like a wide receiver. He also was just like such
Speaker 1: a fun player, like football was so fun. Um. I
Speaker 1: believe he went to Michigan State, So I guess we
Speaker 1: can claim another Midwestern action Megan. Yeah, listen, I'll take
Speaker 1: all the big ten boys we can. And if Flaxico
Speaker 1: is in there, let's see where he went he went.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he went to Michigan State. Wow. He was
Speaker 1: the eighth pick in the two thousand draft. Michigan State
Speaker 1: has some incredible receivers between him and notable bust May
Speaker 1: rest in peace. Charles Rodgers m HM him and his
Speaker 1: wife Um that he was on wife swap with They're
Speaker 1: still married. That's wonderful. Yeah, so that's a fun up.
Speaker 1: He's on a fun we're trying to light and bright. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see what c J does. No, I'm not gonna okay,
Speaker 1: what you got, what you got, I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: an incident. But also kind of there's there's several incidents
Speaker 1: of this guy. Nothing too crazy, but Ricky Davis two
Speaker 1: three against the Jazz. He was a rebound away from
Speaker 1: a triple double. So what he does. The ball gets
Speaker 1: inbounded to him and he goes to his own basket
Speaker 1: and throws the ball like in layup form off his
Speaker 1: own rim and miss it and grabs it to count
Speaker 1: as a rebound. They were up, the Cabs were up
Speaker 1: against the Jazz, and to then get the rebound and
Speaker 1: get a triple double, and everyone was pissed. I can't
Speaker 1: remember what Jazz player fouled him and then send him
Speaker 1: the line and he got fouled by his own teammates.
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, no, he got fouled by the Jazz
Speaker 1: because it was just like they all realized what he
Speaker 1: was doing and they're just like we need to retaliate
Speaker 1: or just like put him in his place. But there
Speaker 1: is also like a classic Jerry Sloan postgame interview or
Speaker 1: he's upset and yeah, this is like again how we say,
Speaker 1: j R. We were not surprised by this very much,
Speaker 1: Ricky Davis at the time, Yes, not surprised by this
Speaker 1: as this guy like on a fast break who would
Speaker 1: do like a three sixty dunk and miss it. I
Speaker 1: think that was like another blunder that he had. But yeah,
Speaker 1: total funk up or mess up, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: why would you do that? But did I hear that?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's he has an entrepreneurial spirit. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get my own triple double. Like I
Speaker 1: like it actually, and maybe it does like fall in
Speaker 1: line with what's the name the baseball player the other night,
Speaker 1: Tatis right, Yeah, but yeah, it's what you think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: does basketball have unwritten rules? Are okay? Can you get
Speaker 1: can you You don't do that to get a I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't throw off your own basket for the rebound.
Speaker 1: You don't like go on, you don't like compete in
Speaker 1: the last few seconds if you're up twenty five. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, so that's my pick, Ricky Davis. I like
Speaker 1: that one, especially because I feel like the most fun
Speaker 1: kind of picks that will have here are all about
Speaker 1: Supris And I feel like that that starts to tow
Speaker 1: that line. Yeah, it starts to the line and funk
Speaker 1: up if it isn't it funk up if it's intentional.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like he knew, he fully knew what
Speaker 1: he was doing. He made his choice. Is that tweet?
Speaker 1: It's like when I so I love it when I
Speaker 1: read this is awful. Yeah, Ricky Davis, Okay, Regional Jr.
Speaker 1: Original the O G j R. Okay, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick back. What let's take a quick break and we
Speaker 1: will be right back to the rest of our picks.
Speaker 1: And we're back. And you know, two other people on
Speaker 1: the podcast your last day at the Ringer, so you've
Speaker 1: got Twitter mentions that you're waiting to see it. And
Speaker 1: Megan put out her bubble show, so she is now
Speaker 1: going through all of her Twitter mentions. Turned off the TV.
Speaker 1: I turned off the TV. I mean, I'm now in trouble.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have the TV on. Uh so much. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Production looks a lot better than you know what because
Speaker 1: of that compliment. I'm gonna let you tell us your
Speaker 1: number two. I'm honored. Um, so it was. It was
Speaker 1: mentioned a little at the top. My number two pick
Speaker 1: is the MS Chris Webber tim in the National Champions Game.
Speaker 1: So you know, Michigan, the Fab five in the National
Speaker 1: Champion Game. They just got stumped by the Duke Blue Devils. Um.
Speaker 1: They make it back April five, Um, they're playing North Carolina. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're down seventy three, seventy one with a few seconds left,
Speaker 1: Webber gets the ball. I should note that noted Lakers
Speaker 1: had Ancho rob Is on the floor as a Michigan
Speaker 1: basketball player. Webber first travels and it isn't called in
Speaker 1: the UNC bench is going crazy with eleven seconds leaps.
Speaker 1: He gets trapped at the sideline and of course he
Speaker 1: called the time out that Michigan doesn't have results in
Speaker 1: the UNC free throws. They hit a couple more after
Speaker 1: that in Michigan loses the National Title Game seven seven seven. Now,
Speaker 1: is there any part of you where you're, like, you know,
Speaker 1: sympathize for Chris Webber. Yeah, certainly. I mean, like, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a great announcer, but I liked I
Speaker 1: I think there's I definitely sympathize because like at the time,
Speaker 1: it was the biggest moment of his life. The National
Speaker 1: Championship game. It's everything. Everyone knew it was gonna be
Speaker 1: his last season. He's gonna go throw. He's Chris Webber.
Speaker 1: This team is like this historic team, they of course
Speaker 1: to change basketball, but they never won it all. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he effectively, Well he sealed Michigan's lost. Yes, maybe he
Speaker 1: kicks the ball to Polinka or Howard or Jaylon or whoever,
Speaker 1: and they take the shot and they miss. Anyway in
Speaker 1: Michigan still lose it, but the outcome that ended up
Speaker 1: happening was definitive. Chris Webber lost the Nationals. Well, my
Speaker 1: question is too, so he gets the rebound off that
Speaker 1: miss free throw, right, did he travel? And does he
Speaker 1: wish he would have been called for the traveler cent
Speaker 1: he travels? Um, Well, what's worse being called for a
Speaker 1: travel which is obviously a personal funk up forgot the
Speaker 1: first rule of basketball? Or is it something that almost
Speaker 1: feels a little more like j R. Which is like, like,
Speaker 1: I think even flight be less at fault than JR
Speaker 1: issue because not knowing the score, I think is more
Speaker 1: blat than not remembering how many times out you have
Speaker 1: You should of course remember that, especially in that situation, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I assume, and we a lot of like the grades
Speaker 1: you talked about in those moments, just like the press,
Speaker 1: just presence of mind, knowing the score, knowing how much
Speaker 1: time left, knowing how many fouls to give or time
Speaker 1: outs left, and yeah, I guess he didn't know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I always got to remember him like he almost traveled there.
Speaker 1: That would have been worse or just definitely yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now when Duke and Michigan play, who do you root for?
Speaker 1: I root for do? Wow? Okay, oh, but my freshman
Speaker 1: year because I do. There's no tickets for basketal games, students,
Speaker 1: it's all three and it's all first you have to
Speaker 1: we've seen we've seen the dorks outside. I'm kidding. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm totally crying. I know people, but yeah, so I
Speaker 1: slept out for a week for the Michigan game a
Speaker 1: week and watch. Oh yeah, so for the UNC game
Speaker 1: you sleep out for two months? No what tent? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So it's a twelve person tent. They're like the very
Speaker 1: structured things, one person tent. It's first come, first served
Speaker 1: in the beginning. There's different sections at the Beginning the
Speaker 1: first two weeks of the hearts right, you have to
Speaker 1: have ten people out of the twelve every night, two
Speaker 1: people at all times during the day. The next six
Speaker 1: weeks or four weeks or however long it is, depending
Speaker 1: on the year, it's six people every night and one
Speaker 1: person at all times during the day, and then the
Speaker 1: last week is two people every night and one person
Speaker 1: at all times. Do you like you have spreadsheets and
Speaker 1: schedules and making sure because they do random checks, you know,
Speaker 1: you'll get a a two am uh, someone with a
Speaker 1: bullhorn to make sure you're in your tent. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: it's wild, but it contributes to the absolute mania of
Speaker 1: being a well and also, Duke is a very very
Speaker 1: good school, so you're getting type A overachievers. You know, like,
Speaker 1: this is not no offense to work. Got some dumb
Speaker 1: dumbs that perdue, okay, and we would not be able
Speaker 1: to figure out a spreadsheet of where we need to
Speaker 1: be at any certain time. You know, we could barely
Speaker 1: make its class. But Duke, it's like, yeah, these are
Speaker 1: all val victorians that you've given one goal to try
Speaker 1: and be as close to the basketball. That's that's this
Speaker 1: is like the Gladiator oh yeah, and so it's it's
Speaker 1: really funny, like the one of the big selling points
Speaker 1: when I was freshman and they told me, oh, it's okay,
Speaker 1: you contend and still do your homework. They set up
Speaker 1: WiFi on the grass like but yeah, no, of course
Speaker 1: that would have mattered to me if I went to class,
Speaker 1: but that's another story. Um. But anyway, I attended out
Speaker 1: for the Michigan game. I watched mis McGarry, who previously
Speaker 1: almost committed to do and on his recruiting visit from
Speaker 1: what I've been told, I wasn't there at the time,
Speaker 1: went to shoot her as the student bar, took his
Speaker 1: shirt off, stood on the top of the bar so
Speaker 1: swinging it over his head and yelled, I love this
Speaker 1: and I'm never leaving, and then committed to Michigan. Well
Speaker 1: that's why I want to know what the stories at
Speaker 1: Michigan and were then in his recruiting visit there. Look,
Speaker 1: having spent uh plenty of nights at both schools, Michigan's
Speaker 1: more fun, you probably made wow good. I mean, I
Speaker 1: both of my uncles went to Duke, and I went
Speaker 1: there on like a college visit when I was in
Speaker 1: cal Or. When I was in high school and I
Speaker 1: had gotten inadvertently food poisoning the night before, and I
Speaker 1: puked all over the student union and then my uncle
Speaker 1: was like showing me around after I puked, and he
Speaker 1: looked at me, he goes, you don't want to go here,
Speaker 1: and then we just left. I was like, Okay, I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not going to duke Um. You had
Speaker 1: more fun. I had a lot of fun at Perdue,
Speaker 1: and it was a lot cheaper. And I always say like,
Speaker 1: if I had gone to a school that was any
Speaker 1: more expensive than Perdue, I don't think I would have
Speaker 1: been able to do stand up afterwards because I would
Speaker 1: have been so afraid of like my crippling dead. I mean,
Speaker 1: I graduated at the Peak. I graduated at the peaksion.
Speaker 1: Right when I graduated, it was the total bill was
Speaker 1: a quarter million dollars. That's colleges, Fuck you, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for them to burst. It's going to happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: Sally May, sure, honey, Okay, Henney, all right, Okay, So
Speaker 1: my number two pick, we're staying on a college campus.
Speaker 1: At one point it was gonna be Lance Armstrong. I
Speaker 1: think we know he fucked up. So I went back
Speaker 1: in my catalog of people I've laughed at, and an
Speaker 1: image of Bobby Petrino in a neck brace popped in
Speaker 1: my head. And I don't know if you guys remember
Speaker 1: this story. It's so it's like they could make like
Speaker 1: a lifetime movie about this. Okay. So Bobby Petrino is
Speaker 1: that name? Even ringing a bell to you, the man
Speaker 1: the football coach in a neck brace at practice. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Bobby Petrino was the Arkansas head coach and he
Speaker 1: hired a former Arkansas volleyball player, Jessica Dorrel, to be
Speaker 1: something called a student Athlete Development coordinator. Now, when you
Speaker 1: hear a title like that, it is a fine question
Speaker 1: to go you fucking the coach? Okay? So she was,
Speaker 1: in fact having an affair with the coach. Bobby Petrino
Speaker 1: gets in like a very scary motorcycle accident. It's reported
Speaker 1: all over the news, and then a few days later
Speaker 1: it comes out that he was not alone on the motorcycle.
Speaker 1: This married. You know, we're in Arkansas. I'm sure Jesus
Speaker 1: is floating around a lot. He um was actually with
Speaker 1: this new woman he hired for a kind of like
Speaker 1: odd position. Um, Jessica was on the motorcycle with him.
Speaker 1: Then at that point that is like major, major news
Speaker 1: that he had his mistress on the motorcycle with him. Um,
Speaker 1: he is suspended by the University of Arkansas and then
Speaker 1: people start protesting for him, Like the story just kept
Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger. He's to practice in this hilarious
Speaker 1: like when you see someone in a neck brace, their
Speaker 1: neck is hurt and it is sad, but in like
Speaker 1: movies and comedies, we've been programmed to be like that's funny,
Speaker 1: they're lying, you know, they like snap them off and
Speaker 1: ambulance chasers and all that. So, Um, he eventually admits
Speaker 1: that he had an inappropriate relationship and I mean in
Speaker 1: her twenties, she was younger. She's an older guy and
Speaker 1: she was younger. Yeah, yeah, she was young And then
Speaker 1: the like board of directors at Arkansas unanimously voted to
Speaker 1: fire him. Wow, yeah, that is a fun up. I
Speaker 1: need I need to mention my favorite part of this,
Speaker 1: which is so there's a famous press confer the image
Speaker 1: of him in the neck brace from a press conference
Speaker 1: where he's wearing a sugar bowl hat as if to say,
Speaker 1: you're not going to fire me, I took you to
Speaker 1: the So did he end up ward king after this? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's that old miss I think still there is a
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky for a year. I think it's hired to Louisball.
Speaker 1: At least he was Lamar Jackson's coach. Wow. And then
Speaker 1: and then he like just lands at Missouri State after Louisville.
Speaker 1: So we got fired Louis and then uh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just it's truly amazing. So it's not failing up, but
Speaker 1: it's like failing and still having a job. Well. I
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of privilege it is, but the
Speaker 1: chances you get after some of these like straight up
Speaker 1: crimes you're committing. Sometimes as he didn't committing, you just
Speaker 1: got in a motorcycle accident where he wasn't wearing a
Speaker 1: helmet and his mistress was on and he's a public figure,
Speaker 1: so it's like dog, come on. Yeah, I think had
Speaker 1: just been like a regular old mistress that he had
Speaker 1: it hired. I don't think he'd be fired. You know,
Speaker 1: it's when you start like they may have would wait
Speaker 1: for him to like lose a few games. I am
Speaker 1: thinking of a person in particular in my brain who
Speaker 1: I will not mention had a mistress with also working
Speaker 1: within an athletic department, still has his job. Why won't
Speaker 1: you say the name, oh still has the job, still
Speaker 1: has j and I was not the mistress. Reply to
Speaker 1: our tweet promoting this podcast. If you have any guesses
Speaker 1: and Megan will I, I would say the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm not saying what it is is like a very
Speaker 1: big hint. Does that makes sense? Okay? So C j
Speaker 1: um So that's Bobby Petrino, Thank you, Thank you for
Speaker 1: your service, Bobby, um C you give us your number two. Okay. Cool.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big baseball fan, as you guys know,
Speaker 1: but this is what I always think about baseball since
Speaker 1: I was a kid. Bill Buckner, Game six, Uh, missed grounder.
Speaker 1: I mean that is when people talk about not just
Speaker 1: fucking up in sports, but just like, man, you you
Speaker 1: ruined it for everybody, Bill Buckner just missing that grounder. Again,
Speaker 1: Like I played baseball a little bit and a grounder
Speaker 1: was pretty easy, and it's like, yes, I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: a play here, and um yeah, they lost Game six,
Speaker 1: and they ended up losing in Game seven. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, this incident has been dissected so much. And
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, do you have another baseball pick coming? No,
Speaker 1: because again because we can talk about it, there is
Speaker 1: another baseball funk up um that was more fan related.
Speaker 1: But these are not in deciding game, you know, Like
Speaker 1: but they talk about momentum ships. It's like JR. You know,
Speaker 1: but that's something that's it's also important. I think that
Speaker 1: both happened for and I don't really ruin the other one.
Speaker 1: In case I'm gonna pick, it happened for cursed teams. Yes,
Speaker 1: so there was a lot more pressure. Yeah, you're like, no,
Speaker 1: we we were about to do it, but then you
Speaker 1: fucked it up. But it's like, but you guys also
Speaker 1: lost Game seven, which I think when you are a
Speaker 1: cursed team, you have this sort of you kind of
Speaker 1: act like a victim because like, oh, the actual it's
Speaker 1: not us doing this. It's like the world, the world,
Speaker 1: there is some higher power that's against us. And it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you just sucking sucked for a long time, Like you
Speaker 1: think a goat really did this to you. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think a goat has
Speaker 1: that power. I think you just were a shitty organization
Speaker 1: for a while so I just feel so bad for
Speaker 1: Bill Buckner. Um, and he's gone on to have like
Speaker 1: a fine life, and it's it's like handsome and kind
Speaker 1: of looks like he's passed away. Oh ship, he passed
Speaker 1: away a couple of years ago. No, oh my god.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I think he had some depressed
Speaker 1: woman's but and then you know, because pop culture. He again,
Speaker 1: the reason why I knew him was that was the name,
Speaker 1: and they made fun of him in every show, movie
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I think then he he like came
Speaker 1: back from it and was able to make fun of himself.
Speaker 1: It certainly seems like yeah, which is yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I would if I was him, I would just be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we lost Game seven, and did I do that?
Speaker 1: Did I do that too? My dad says, you got
Speaker 1: to get your glove dirty. That's what you always say.
Speaker 1: Get your glove dirty, Meg, get your glove on the ground. Yes,
Speaker 1: get your glove on the ground, because your dad. Get
Speaker 1: your glove dirty. Girls. Um, okay, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and then we'll be back with our number one
Speaker 1: picks and we are back in Shocker. How we usually
Speaker 1: do it is since you are a guest. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be the big Grand Finale. So Megan and I will
Speaker 1: pick and you'll bring us home. Okay, So I don't
Speaker 1: think I feel like No, I do have um two
Speaker 1: other honorable mentions. They are coaching related. I just really like,
Speaker 1: I was like, coaches buck things up all the time
Speaker 1: and are bad people, and I want to make sure
Speaker 1: we drag them to So my coaching funk ups are
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin. The name itself makes me just like smack
Speaker 1: my forehead, like he's just such a dumbass goober. And
Speaker 1: then Rick Pettino. Rick Pettino just can't he can't win.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he can't win. But he just
Speaker 1: extorted by a woman, he impregnated, constant n C Double
Speaker 1: A violations, went to the NBA, was a disaster back
Speaker 1: at the n C double A more violations. Like he
Speaker 1: just really he like makes me laugh too. He's kind
Speaker 1: of like a fun, devilish character. So those are my
Speaker 1: honorable mentions. And then my number one pick is Johnny Manzell, right,
Speaker 1: because I really was like, who is someone that I
Speaker 1: didn't ever like that I would feel fine giving this
Speaker 1: title too. And you know when you're Wikipedia page has
Speaker 1: an entire section devoted to controversies. It's probably a pretty
Speaker 1: safe bet he was just some He truly could not
Speaker 1: get out of his own way everywhere he went. And
Speaker 1: they weren't massive fun ups, but they were just like constant,
Speaker 1: tiny ones. Like he got arrested before he ever played
Speaker 1: a down of college football. He overslept and then was
Speaker 1: like tweeting mean ship about the Manning passing camp. He
Speaker 1: got pulled over. He was always having like issues fighting
Speaker 1: with girlfriends. I mean, for you to get benched by
Speaker 1: the Browns, you like really have to have funked up,
Speaker 1: which they have a lot of those, I know, And
Speaker 1: and that's why I was like, when you're when you
Speaker 1: when you're trying to find funk ups, just go to
Speaker 1: the Browns organization and like close your eyes and put
Speaker 1: your finger out. Um. But Johnny, Johnny Manzel, it's just
Speaker 1: it's a punchline name a little bit at this point
Speaker 1: and just a tiny white boy with the biggest chip
Speaker 1: on his shoulder, and he just I wish he had
Speaker 1: been able to to do it, but he You almost
Speaker 1: look at Baker and you're like, are you the more grounded?
Speaker 1: Not much more, but are you the more grounded version
Speaker 1: of Johnny and I think that's still sort of like
Speaker 1: remains to be seen. Yeah, well, I mean we make
Speaker 1: fun of our Cleveland sports fan friends when we like,
Speaker 1: they get excited over a Baker this year, this year,
Speaker 1: it's like, this could be But the thing is, you
Speaker 1: don't know, this could be our year. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that seems like a really fun delusion. But then you
Speaker 1: have to realize what they've had to suffer through in
Speaker 1: witness You're like, okay, yeah, for your sanity, be hopeful,
Speaker 1: be hopeful, but also just keep it at a level
Speaker 1: of that as a Lions fan, which I think is
Speaker 1: the closest you can get to being a Browns fan either,
Speaker 1: it's um hope is poison. Hope is absolutely okay. Every
Speaker 1: single year I come into the season and say this
Speaker 1: might be it. We might do something. Every single year
Speaker 1: I've been wrong. The last time the Lions when a
Speaker 1: playoff game was before I was born. Jeez, I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that. Yeah, I want to. I mean, we wasted
Speaker 1: the careers of two of the best skilled position players
Speaker 1: at all the time. You see um Bills fans go
Speaker 1: through it too. I mean, to lose four super Bowls
Speaker 1: in a row, and then my my dad, he was like,
Speaker 1: I have to find I'm gonna. They had just moved
Speaker 1: to Indianapolis, and he goes, this team is terrible and
Speaker 1: I know that and I like them. Like he was like,
Speaker 1: I have to I cannot with the Bills anymore. But
Speaker 1: there's so many people that are able to just ride
Speaker 1: it through, So can I can? I ask a kind
Speaker 1: of thought extreme question. Would you rather be a Bills
Speaker 1: fan where you come so close so many times you've
Speaker 1: never gotten it, or be like a Lions fan where
Speaker 1: you never had the faintest chance of I don't know,
Speaker 1: because it's kind of like that love law, like is
Speaker 1: it better to love than I don't even remember what
Speaker 1: it is? Um? But because like losing in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: that makes you like the cold when the cold slaws
Speaker 1: Saints in the Super Well, I cried, and I know
Speaker 1: that's embarrassing, but I was strunk too, but I cried, um,
Speaker 1: And then it was like so depressed And if they
Speaker 1: had just gone like four and twelve, that would have
Speaker 1: been I don't think I would have cried. I I
Speaker 1: think the pain in the moment is worse, but the
Speaker 1: sustained pain of your team. Just being bad probably is
Speaker 1: overall worse. It definitely worked me. Like there's not a
Speaker 1: single Lions game I go into thinking we're gonna win
Speaker 1: this game. It's always well, I hope we don't blow this.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but who yeah, who knows? Just having your
Speaker 1: your hopes up so high and then just defeat it
Speaker 1: every year four times in a row like the Bills.
Speaker 1: Is oh that documentary four falls? Yeah? So good? So
Speaker 1: we chucker. What sport? Is your your funk up? Then mine? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have that. Do you have any
Speaker 1: honorable mentions? So I guess I'll say, I'll say Bartman.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I'm sympathetic. In Chicago sports fans are crazy,
Speaker 1: and I feel bad for the guy that's not I
Speaker 1: I don't blame like Martman. I'm with Ron oor Test.
Speaker 1: I'm with that you are in my Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: of this is not your fault. I wish there was
Speaker 1: like a sports psychology, like sports science, but for psychology,
Speaker 1: where you hit like an almost home run and see
Speaker 1: how many fans reach their hand out. Well in the
Speaker 1: about him is entirely vindicating um because they interview all
Speaker 1: these people around him that were like, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: also trying to catch it, and I was also and
Speaker 1: again not the deciding game. So I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: would love to hear what people think about that. My
Speaker 1: my number one funk up is kind of just a
Speaker 1: Tina's Dinner twice. But it's a Portland Trailblazers drafting Sam
Speaker 1: Bowie and Greg odin Um when they were clearly there
Speaker 1: was Michael Jordan's, there was a h and there was
Speaker 1: a Kevin Durant that existed in the dress. Okay, well
Speaker 1: the Greg odin won. I don't think of Greg oden
Speaker 1: as a bust Um because not as clearly as a
Speaker 1: bus that everyone thinks he is. But I don't know
Speaker 1: that there were safer stars available. Yeah. I actually pushed
Speaker 1: back on that because that the time Gregor I mean
Speaker 1: something completely different. Yeah, but uh, he made the National
Speaker 1: Champions Game. He It was also at a time in
Speaker 1: the league where like big men were, if you had
Speaker 1: a dominant big Matt, you had a safe team for it.
Speaker 1: And he was the best big man prospect we've seen
Speaker 1: probably Chef KG actually. But also you know there's the
Speaker 1: whole uh not being very good after his injuries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just it's it is sad um mainly. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like this pick could have just been on
Speaker 1: drafting Sam Bowie um over Jordan over and then who
Speaker 1: did was it a came? No, A came two nights.
Speaker 1: I actually don't even know who Sam Bowie is exactly,
Speaker 1: which is tough. It was two was the key so draft, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. So that's what makes it a funk up
Speaker 1: to me is that you drafted sand but over a
Speaker 1: chem and Jordan's if you're looking for a center a
Speaker 1: chemo and I believe Booie has some injury issues in college. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more telling um and there there's
Speaker 1: a doc out there that I yeah, I gotta rewatch,
Speaker 1: but it just it almost bums me out. So I
Speaker 1: am somebothing nothing else. It makes me happy to know
Speaker 1: that all three of us could have been professional basketball
Speaker 1: scouts in the eighties and we worked on just as
Speaker 1: good of a job. Yeah. Now, do you think maybe
Speaker 1: you're picking a Trailblazers as your number one because of
Speaker 1: what's currently going on between them and the Lakers? But
Speaker 1: I can't, you know, I don't get involved in the
Speaker 1: Twitter battles because that's almost embarrassing, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: these Lakers fans, they're gonna be talking a lot of
Speaker 1: ship when the Clippers one. I'm like, that's you, number
Speaker 1: one ship talker. I see is the call is coming
Speaker 1: from within your own brain? Um, all of that is
Speaker 1: is Lebron motivated inspired, So okay, so then you you're
Speaker 1: a Lebron ship talker. All right, shocker, bring us home
Speaker 1: with your number one pick. I'm so glad I got
Speaker 1: to do this. I should imagine my honorable mentions. I have,
Speaker 1: um a couple that you guys have drafted. I also
Speaker 1: have the Harden trade was not just a real They
Speaker 1: had three uh three NBA m v P s and
Speaker 1: future Hall of famers and they have the wrong one.
Speaker 1: But no, So my number one pick, I want to
Speaker 1: take us back to Italy in two thousand six. I
Speaker 1: want to take us to the women's snowboard cross finals.
Speaker 1: I want to take us to Lindsay Jacobells Linda jacobellas
Speaker 1: Lyncha Jacobellis has had one the previous World championship. At
Speaker 1: this game, she'd won like two or three x games
Speaker 1: in this event. She has a two or three second
Speaker 1: lead on the snow crossed field to win the gold medal.
Speaker 1: On the second to last jump, she attempts she just
Speaker 1: watched the show them right, she's she has such a
Speaker 1: huge lead, she show, She tries to trick, she balls,
Speaker 1: she tries to recover, she ends up getting silver, and
Speaker 1: her quote afterwards was I was having fun. Snowboarding is fun,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to share my enthusiasm only times. It
Speaker 1: was the only time she metal the Olympics. When she
Speaker 1: got there, she failed to make the metal round because
Speaker 1: in her semifinal race she landed a jump. Then she
Speaker 1: was arguably the best athlete at her events in the
Speaker 1: world from the time she started competing, and she blew
Speaker 1: up on the biggest stage because she wanted to show.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do like her quote though, of like,
Speaker 1: snowboarding is fun and I just wanted to have fun.
Speaker 1: But is that the best and had Here's the thing,
Speaker 1: how she landed it. I would have remembered it as
Speaker 1: that was fucking Linda Jagabels trying to trick, as she's
Speaker 1: just destroying the field. But she fell and she lost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's again the argument we talked about the hubris
Speaker 1: of like and one of my honorable mentions I've got
Speaker 1: to say, was DeShawn Jackson, you know, like he would
Speaker 1: have been. I mean he is one of the most
Speaker 1: electric places, but a lot of those highlight plays were
Speaker 1: ruined by his celebration. You know, do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, him celebrating before he gets
Speaker 1: into the that's why. That's why when he said crazy stuff,
Speaker 1: it's like, we don't really need to but yeah, the
Speaker 1: revisionist history of it. Had he done that one yard later, Wow,
Speaker 1: great at one of the best players of that season,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, I'm surprised we didn't have any
Speaker 1: football guys celebrating pre God in the Olympics. And like
Speaker 1: there's so many of just like dropping the ball was
Speaker 1: in a college game like a year or two ago, somebody.
Speaker 1: It was a kick six or something like that, return
Speaker 1: all the way back, he drops the ball, shine the
Speaker 1: one and then it's returned all the other well, and
Speaker 1: and and the Olympics is like the reason it's it's
Speaker 1: the most emotional sports to why because they do human
Speaker 1: intrat stories so well, and it is only every other
Speaker 1: four years, and for an athlete, four years is an eternity.
Speaker 1: I mean, your entire body can change you can then
Speaker 1: be like Okay, I mean for gymnasts, it's like a
Speaker 1: lot of times they get one shot their fifteen and
Speaker 1: then by the time they're nineteen, it's like, no, you're
Speaker 1: too old now to be a gymnast. So it's really
Speaker 1: so cut throat and gosh, you hear heartbringing stories of
Speaker 1: people barely missing the team, and those are so sad.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like, at least for the level
Speaker 1: headedness and like the I'm doing this what is this
Speaker 1: called what they do in Hawaii? T hang ten? I
Speaker 1: feel like, h a female snowboarder is mentally able to
Speaker 1: bounce back from that by being like, live on right,
Speaker 1: I don't get hot pass that half. This is the
Speaker 1: best excuse just to like kind of describe my passion.
Speaker 1: But yeah, probably wouldn't do that again. Um yeah. And
Speaker 1: the four years thing, it just is like, could you
Speaker 1: imagine you only you only get one shot really good
Speaker 1: two shots for something like that before the next generation
Speaker 1: comes in. Goddamn it tough, but that was that was
Speaker 1: my number one time. It's just nothing great sums it
Speaker 1: up better than that. Yeah, I mean I feel like
Speaker 1: if we went back and looked through because that's what
Speaker 1: I always overlook is the Olympics and this, and there's
Speaker 1: got to be a lot of stories of just like
Speaker 1: I regretted that and the train for four years and
Speaker 1: then just never having that opportunity again, which she got
Speaker 1: and yeah, it just wasn't close to herself at that
Speaker 1: point for sure. Um, all right, well shocker, give us
Speaker 1: some parting words. Uh. Here, it's your last day of
Speaker 1: the Ringer. We're so fortunate to have you here. What
Speaker 1: are you excited about coming up? Sports wise and just
Speaker 1: in your personal journey sports wise? Obviously, the NBA Playoffs
Speaker 1: are back, HIGs basketball fan can't wait for that. I
Speaker 1: hope that the n c Double AF for both college
Speaker 1: school and college basketball can't figure out a way to
Speaker 1: actually classify their students as athletes not student athletes. Nonsign
Speaker 1: pay them and then play the have them play in
Speaker 1: a secure bubble if they want to and if the
Speaker 1: school needs them too, because whatever they're doing now is
Speaker 1: just absolute poor ship. Yeah, Champions League Final is either
Speaker 1: going on now or we'll start soon, big sary fan. Uh.
Speaker 1: And in my personal life, I'm gonna I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a week off. I've taken four or five
Speaker 1: days off in three years of the Ringer. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take a couple of days off, try to reset, take
Speaker 1: a week off, take a nice drive. I passed Pyramid
Speaker 1: late the other day, was beautiful. Or you could go
Speaker 1: up and down the pc H on Saturday. I think
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and I are gonna go drive down to
Speaker 1: a friend of the friend of the podcast, Michael Lloyd,
Speaker 1: where and where they're staying in Arizona, to take a
Speaker 1: nice six hour drive to the middle of the desert. Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally logical choice. Yeah. I don't know you had a
Speaker 1: girlfriend though. This is so exciting. Yeah, she's wonderful. You'd
Speaker 1: like I'm sure, I can't. I can't wait till we
Speaker 1: can all socialize in person again. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being on the podcast. US Higher Shocker the resume
Speaker 1: and speaks for itself. What is your social so we
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