WEBVTT - Greatest Mess-Ups with Shaker Samman 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.680 Welcome to the Greatest, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.520 Hello and welcome to another episode of the Greatest. I 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.560 Am Maggy Bailey joined with my co host and husband 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:25.000 co host first husband c J. Tolodonno. Um, we have 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:30.520 the NBA Playoffs on mute. In the background, Jalen Rose 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.200 is sitting in the fans section of the Pacers. These 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.440 white boys on the heat. They're pissing me off. I 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.159 do not like them. Um, c J, how are you? 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.800 I'm doing great now. It's awesome that it's eleven am. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:42.840 I know we're on the West Coast, but just having 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.239 basketball kickoff at ten am, especially after not having it 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.200 for months, has just been a true blessing. And yeah, 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.400 it just has raised my mood over the last few weeks. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.320 Ten am is like we're up, but it is a 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.600 little like shocking, and I guess it makes me also 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.400 feel like you think the Pacers need to be on 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.560 it tending, you know, like you get to watch the 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:05.920 Lakers private one p m. East Coast. You gotta remember 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:10.280 that that's not prime basketball time, all right, easy, easy, Well, 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:14.720 we'll get you riled up in other ways. Excuse me, No, 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.840 I mean, I just you know, you're gonna roll me up. No, 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.479 you don't gonna get rolled up by sports. My parents 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.440 listen to that. I know, I know you're the one 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:26.440 whose mind is in the gutter. But speaking of Jalen Rose, 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.319 Detroit's own, we have a very special guest on today's episode, 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.399 shock or smon from the ringer. We're gonna say from 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.040 the ringer, but we're gonna let you explain why that 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.360 needs some clarification. Welcome to the show, and thank you 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:44.560 an incredible segue. Yeah, I should also mention at the top, 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.080 because you know, Pacers fan Pistons, I was at the 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.640 mouth of the palace. That's right, bad blood off the top. No, 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:52.520 let's I mean this is you know, we like to 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.320 talk about these things, so I would love to hear 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.160 about your experience there. So my confession is so I 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:05.960 was your Yeah, eight nine year old kids, don't incriminate yourself. No, no, no. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.120 I My dad at the time had work in the 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.160 morning and we lived an hour from the stadium, and 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.240 so he's like, you know, the Pistons, We're losing that 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.400 game by like nine points or something late, and he's like, 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.200 let's just let's just go home. Let's beat the trap 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:19.600 and I was like, you know what, fine, Normally I 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.519 would put up a fight. It wasn't a bad mood 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.119 to find. Let's go. And the second we walk out 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.400 the front door, it's and Woolas shoves our test under 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.360 the room. So you know how they have those like 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.880 loud speakers outside the stadium so that you can hear 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:33.880 for the parking lot, and so we're listening to this 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.400 happened while we're in the parking lot. And then I 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.120 go into we go into the car and we turn 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.280 on the radio and it's like, well, ship, this is 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:45.079 gonna be. That's gonna be. Why didn't we leave that game? Now? 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.079 Is that a feeling of yeah? Is it a feeling 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.480 of regret? Like did you want to just be a 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.639 witness to it or say you were there? Or so 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.840 I'll say, like part of me is like, man, I 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.440 wish it was there to be such a good story, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.320 and the other part remembers like like I was at 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.639 the Kevin Ware game, Oh my gosh, and like seeing 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.840 that in real time, just knowing like how that messed 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.080 me up for like a month, having if I was 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.000 like a nine year old or eight year old, how 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:12.959 old I was at the bounce of the house and 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:14.960 I was there in the room. I think that certainly 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:20.320 would ask some like long lasting effects that I yet, wow, 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.440 that would be So we got to find a kid 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.359 that was there and see how what they turned out 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.920 to be. Right, Well, we'll find like whatever guy through 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.480 a beer on our tests and like we'll find the 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.280 guy Germaine O'Neil almost murdered. Well, yeah, so tell me 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.640 because as a kid, obviously I was like, this is 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.880 messed up. I hate run our test and all that, 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.440 but you know, part of me is to look deeper in, 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.440 you know, to the motivation and all parties involved. I'm like, 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:57.640 you know, I'm very sympathetic towards our test. The right, right, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.360 there's a lot. There was a lot going on. So 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.400 like there was Ronald test files Ben Wallace hard I 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.920 think a day or two after his brother dies. Ben's 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.160 obviously like a tough guy and wanted to like push 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.520 back in the emotional place. Ron art Test you know, 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.240 went to the scores table after I forget who brought 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.480 him there to like try to pull down absolutely fan 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.360 instigates it. Ron runs into the sands, everyone else runs 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.400 and to try to get him back they start throwing 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:27.720 punches at them, so punches back. Um, everyone, I'm gonna 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.039 go out and say everyone was in the wrong. But 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.520 also there are different degrees to how much you were 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.640 in the wrong clue. I mean, yeah, the walking for 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.120 the tunnel is like a haunting image of everything that 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.800 was being thrown. You're just like, yeah, like just falling 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.880 to the sky. Yeah, that's beyond mess stuff and there's 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.679 no justification for that whatsoever. Yeah, everything was a mess. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.640 Highly recommend the oral history from Grantlond. I believe it 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.200 by Johnathan Aghbraham's shout out though to those Detroit Pistons 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.640 who won the title of the year before because of 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.120 you know, I hate that it's burned in my memory. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.920 It's funny. It's the second greatest block in NBA history. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.400 Yeah it is. Uh, it is a beautiful block. And 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.320 I when I was working the Pistons, I used to 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.000 just walk around the building and yeah, the thing I 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.760 also want to hear about, you know, your thoughts on 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.760 the move down to Detroit, but are down to downtown. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.600 But the Palace just never like moved on from that era, 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.800 which I think was cool. And I remember just like 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.600 going up to the suits and there were I think, 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.080 I don't know if you knew about this, but there 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.120 was like Tasson's neighborhood and there was just a sweet 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.880 just decked out in Tasion stuff. And I know, Megan, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.480 this is before we started dating, but I always loved 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.159 that sort of branding of Tashian's neighborhood and all like 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.200 I have. I think I have like Tashon merch somewhere 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.280 in a box in our garage. Well maybe it should 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.479 stay there. But so, yes, I just watched a few 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:55.880 weeks ago. The Palace was uh, they destroyed it, which yeah, 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.880 I still don't know much of the reason behind going down. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.560 I think I peace rest in peace. But it was 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:06.960 a beautiful stadium. Yeah, so the Palace. When the Pistons 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.920 were good, the Palace would sell out. I think they 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.880 sold out every game for like nine was like incredible. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.560 The kind of fandom there. But the Palace, as you know, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.400 is like thirty thirty minutes outside of Metro Detroit. It's 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.120 in Auburn Hills. It was in the middle of nowhere. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.279 It was right next to Bill Davidson's like company's campus, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:25.960 which is why it was built there. He owned the land. 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.400 He built it himself until it made sense for that 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.680 kind of it just had the room for it. They 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:36.120 moved downtown frankly because the team didn't. When they got worse, 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.680 people were traveling to Auburn Hills. They needed to upgrade 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.720 the stadium anyway, because it was like thirty years old 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.480 or something. And yeah, I mean it's a bummer, but 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.920 I'm assuming the slice, as I called all Caesar's Arena 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.479 is uh, it's easier to like get foot traffic in 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.200 in a non pandemic situation when it's just in the 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.880 middle of the town and that anyway, and it's a 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.240 it's a city who I don't think I'm like saying 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:08.680 anything crazy here, who sort of needed a revitalization of downtown. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.920 And like the move we see so often is places 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.520 stadiums are downtown and then they moved further away, and 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.720 this was a reverse of that. And so it's kind 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.640 of hard to, like, as an outsider, be against it. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:26.040 It seems like like a feel good situation and it's not. 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:30.000 So the two biggest benefactors in Measure Detroit are Dan 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.520 Gilbert and Tom Ill before he died, I think combined 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.760 in like the ten years before I let side, they 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.000 spent a combined like five billion dollars investing or three 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.880 billion or something investing in Meture Detroit UM. And part 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.400 of that is in your selfless. They want to make 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.360 their time better. And part of it is you're they're 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.240 buying dilapidated buildings and land for pennies on the dollar 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.080 and they know that when the boom kicks that in, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.520 they're going to be super rich or even more super 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.720 HSI than the already. But the benefit is still there, 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.440 Like having an actual like teter and Sports district and 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.920 Meture Detroit is really cool. There's a lot of interest 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:01.800 with like gentrification of the area. But the point is 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:06.120 I agree having stuff in metric to chart to school. Yes, okay, 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:10.240 yeah so you yeah, I left the ring Yeah, I 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.000 do want to get into that. So last day at 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.080 the Ringer, I guess, well, let's start back. Let's start 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.320 back kind of how you you've got into sports? Is 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.040 your fandom across all Detroit sports teams? Yeah, huge Detroit 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.720 sports fan. I grew up also like a Michigan basketball, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.920 Michigan football fan, um, because that was you know, growing 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.920 up Michigan, you're either a state fan or of Michigan 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.840 fan blue and Gold um or amazing Blue pardon um. 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.360 But yeah, then ended up going to do for college. 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.680 Began a young Duke fan. Naturally, I probably were my 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.720 title as a duke bag, but yeah, you know, right 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.560 after school, was lucky enough to get an internship with 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.080 the Ringer and then a full time position. Been there 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.680 for about three years. Like I said, today is my 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.280 last day. It's very sase. So if you're an editor 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.720 looking for a researcher a fact checker, hit me, yeah, 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.760 pretty good. Now I find YouTube be one of like 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.560 the kindest people you could encounter in sports, and and 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.000 you're part of the comedy community because you love going 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.640 to shows and friends with comedians. Now, when you meet 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.720 someone who doesn't know a lot about you but they 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.280 find out that you're a Michigan fan and a Duke fan, 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.640 do they immediately try and fight you? So? I think 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.320 they would, So like I should, I should prepas my 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.160 two hometowns like I'm from porture On, Michigan, but like 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.240 on a national scale, what I say, I'm from around 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.160 Detroit because that's easier. My two hometowns that are Detroit, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.800 Michigan and Danascus, Syria. I should be much more intimidating 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:39.200 than I am. Softest person ever with that background. So 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.360 I think I say that and they just take pity 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.160 because they're just like, oh, look at you, I don't 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.120 want this is your stuff. Okay, that's good then, And 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.080 so you got the Ringer right out of college, Yeah 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.760 it was. It was very lucky. I got right as 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.400 I was in school and you know, looking for jobs, 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.320 I applied for an internship. They're just unbelievably lucky that 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.640 they decided I was worth the taking a flyer on 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.200 and that they've been gave me a full time job 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.520 and uh one that I kept for the last couple 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.199 of years. And I loved my time there. I should 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.120 say Ringer Union forever. Support them. They're doing great work. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.719 But yeah, I loved Beside. I'm sad to go, but 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.200 it was time for something. Well, give us your your 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.880 your biggest takeaway, or like, your your best memory from 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:24.040 the Ringer on your last day. Here my best memory 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:29.480 from the Ringer. What is it? Sorry, she's launching the game. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:36.920 I'm a turnover. It's going to the second half. I'm 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:41.360 being terribly rude. I'm I can't even believe I'm embarrassed. Listen, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.120 we should point out it's not Megan's fault because t 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:51.680 J Warren the greatest basketball players Florida. My eyes cannot 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.000 look away from t J. But we can't do count. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.040 He was he was, I think a senior when I 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:58.719 was a freshman. He was an m C State and 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.559 I was a dude, and it was cool watching him. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.440 But at no point was I like, yeah, that guy 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.400 is gonna just shut down every team in the league 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.560 for like six nights and then go back to being fine. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.360 It's going back to being fine and just you know, playoff. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.400 Jimmy Butler is a psycho. Um and but yeah, I 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.400 think all Jimmy Butler is a psycho. I think I 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.920 don't think we need that. Right. There's varying degrees of 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.040 psycho Jimmy, but we're seeing a peak of it. Right. 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.720 You heard that he brought some like incredible coffee machine 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.800 and is charging his own teammates twenty dollars for a 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.880 cup of coffee. He's a business now. He's like and 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.440 he and there was no mention of him like donating it. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.160 He's like, it's twenty dollars and that money is coming 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.960 to me. Look Jimmy Butler might understand. I don't know 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.200 if he does, but I hope he does. Capitalism is 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.240 just a monster. But you know, good for him for 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.720 taking advantage. Yeah, okay, now back to your favorite Ringer 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.640 moment by moment, um, I'm gonna pause it. Two of 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.679 them in that's for One of them was the story 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.640 that still pends my Twitter page from the eve of 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.480 the World Up Final. I've loved Entity's done my entire 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.160 life soccer team. I had a weird session with them, 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.560 and being able to write at length about the kind 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:11.680 of like multicultural background and the history of the team 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.680 with French culture and the country's issue with racism, I 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.719 think was really cool and I got I love to 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.680 be able to do that. Um. The other one is 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.920 just being able to I made a lot of earlier 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:27.000 friends there, like Zach Pram and hallelu Getty, Riley Maczie 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.640 and all of these other incredible writers my boss correct games, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.199 who are just some of the best in the business 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.679 and are frankly like incredible, And I was so lucky 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.640 to be around them, let them hear my dumb jokes 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:39.680 and then correct me when I was wrong. It's just 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.480 like an incredible. My dog is stretching in the back. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:47.000 I love your dog. She's a good girl. I see 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.120 her just in a little corner. Hell, well that's great. Okay. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.800 See here's an awesome another awesome segue. So you're a 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.200 Michigan fan. Uh, and that kind of brings I'm sure 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.760 it's gonna be brought up in today. Is topic greatest 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:03.920 We're calling it greatest fun ups, which we can say, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.880 but for the sake of title and promotion, we're gonna 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.240 call it greatest Sports mess Ups. Like that, and so 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.679 we all have our three. And again, I don't want 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.240 to tip the hat, but that was that was a 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.360 segue there. And this is something where it's like, you know, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.360 when Shaker and I were discussing the topic, we were 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:26.600 both thinking like person based, Um, like who is an 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.720 athlete or someone associated with sports who fucked up a lot. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:35.160 But it could also be interpreted as as an incident 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.040 or as something going terribly wrong. I have a couple 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.640 of incidents on my list. Yeah, me too, I have incidents, 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.840 but there's some that incident is tied to a person, 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:49.160 you know, so like an incident does not just happen 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.000 with no people involved. Um, so we'll tie those people 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.760 to it. Okay, so Shocker, you are our guests. Lead 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:01.080 us off with your third pick for greatest sports fuck ups. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.600 So this is the reverse orders. This is my I 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.000 have to go with something. It's a little reason, um, 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.480 but it's a personal favorite. My third is j R. Smith. 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:17.600 In game one of the Lebron James has fifty one points. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.400 They have a chance to see what went on the 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.920 road against the Warriors. Obviously everyone knows the Counts Warriors. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.160 They're down one of seven, one oh six. Le Bron 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:25.960 gets the ball on a switch, has Curry on him 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.080 under the arm. He throws a pass to George Hill, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.200 whose fouled. It goes to the line. Will makes the 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.960 first I don't one oh seven. Then he misses the second. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.320 Gr grabs the rebound right under the red five seconds left. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.120 He can either put it up, you can pass it out, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.000 you can do whatever. The Counts have a chance to 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.040 win the game in regulations. Is crazy. He decided to 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:47.600 run up. Uh. There's a video of him saying, you know, 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.040 I thought there was I thought we were ahead. I 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.200 thought there was this Lebron if you watch it back, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:58.720 is like pointing at the him iconic and then you 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.360 have the meme there's a fight between Tristan Thompson and Draymond. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.400 After that they lose an overtime. They missed their first 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.080 five field goals. Asked about that video where he says, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.400 H on video, like, you know, I thought we were ahead. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.800 The next day he says, I might have said that. 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.080 It just needs so perfectly. J Jr. Is I think 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:23.280 a man of true absolutes. In Jr's heights, he is 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.160 unbelievably fun. He's shirtless on top of the car in 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.040 a parade, He's dancing. Barack Obama's telling him where a 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.080 shirt will come to the White House. I fully believe. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.440 I don't think you've been buying j R. Smith jersey. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.800 I think and you just go outside shirtless and drink 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:43.720 Kinnessey like the Adams in the universe combined to make 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.400 a JR. Jersey. Um. I love him to death, but 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.200 in that moment, that was the most j R j R. Yeah, 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.240 And that's it's like he is so lovable, like he's 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.280 someone if you're like a teacher, where he sucks up 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.760 and you're like, come on, j R. Whereas like if 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.160 someone else were to fuck like a trash can would 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:06.880 be on fire. Hi doggy, she's so big now. I 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.480 brought her onto the video because you know, uh, podcasting 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.280 video format. Yeah, but you guys, I hope you can 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.440 tell from my voice as a really sweet doggie here. Um. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.600 I love JR. And I always like, I never want 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.880 people to be mean to him. You know, like we 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.400 make fun of him a lot, but it's like being 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.400 nice to j R. He's got a sweet heart. I 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:30.920 wish he was still going live from the Bubble. I 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.320 obviously missed as we all miss it. It was perfect. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.880 He got reprimanded the first day was there. I mean, 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.600 he just is He's a delight And this is a 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.960 type of topic that could like get dark and sad, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.200 and j R Is someone where it's like, yeah he 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:49.080 fox up, but he like means well and and is 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.440 just I have so much love for him. J R. 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.000 Play is the kind of basketball I love. Like there's 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.600 that boy gave once where He's like sometimes if I'm 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.240 wide open, I wait for a defender to commy. It's 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.480 more fun for me to take contested shots. It's like, 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.600 who are you other than my favorite player? Yeah? I 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.359 mean that that is I love that. I want to 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.119 root for that, and it's more of like, uh, it's 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.879 just like solid characteristics. Um and you you said you 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.040 don't know if you can buy a Jarr Smith jersey. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.560 You can't, but you can customize them. And so that's 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.600 why I have a Lakers twenty one with swish on 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.480 the back that Megan is like, yeah, so more money, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.720 well spec Now, I don't know if after game one 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.560 of my wonderful oh my gosh, I can't wait to 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:36.200 rent until I die and then I'll be a casket Listen. 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.720 I've stopped with my jersey's. I've put them all away recently. Uh, 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.840 and there will be no more. But j r Ja 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.280 is a good pick, and it's funny that we're like, yeah, 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.119 game one of the two eighteen finals. But also he 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.959 beat up a kid during the protest recently and the 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:55.840 thing is not a funk up, not a funk up. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.919 But yeah, that's what's It's great that JR just like 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.479 every story here about Jeremike, of course, yeah, I'm not 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.359 surprised and we still love him. Great first pick. Happy, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.159 it's sort of like a happy note to keep it 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:11.639 off off with. Although okay, so my number three is 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.200 Plaxico Berris shooting himself in the leg in a nightclub. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:21.800 I mean, so at the time Plaxico was on the Giants, 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.720 he was in a nightclub and in New York having 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:30.359 a concealed or unregistered or whatever it was weapon was 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.800 a felony, and I think and the in the midst 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.320 of him trying to do something, the gun fell and 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.040 discharged and he shot himself in his own leg. So 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.520 he was injured and then also in trouble with the law, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.560 and he was able to come back from the injury. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:54.000 But Plaxico was like incredible beforehand, and then he never 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.000 really was able to recapture what he was before. And 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.280 whether that has to do with his leg having a 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.600 bullet in it or or or like the mental embarrassment. 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.080 I did see him on Celebrity Wife Swap and he 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.800 and I don't years ago, and he does seem like 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.680 a like I don't think Plexico is like bad or 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.160 like shitty or a horrible person, but I do think 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.760 it's kind of funny that he shot himself in his 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.919 own leg. Yeah. So Katie Baker, who's a huge Giants 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.040 fan and one of my favorite ringer writers, had a 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.359 big story about ten years after. I think it was 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.440 years after the flash going that, I highly recommend anyone 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:36.840 who wants to learn more about it talk about Um. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.720 It is also wild to me that I believe you 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.800 went to jail shooting himself. Yeah. Yeah, because it's like 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.879 like there's you know, the victim has decided to not 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.480 press charges, like he would face that that one, but 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.439 it was Yeah, it was a concealed weapon that he 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.680 was not allowed to have. Yeah, and Plaxico is such 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:00.320 a fun name, Like he just sound and he's sounds 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.640 like a wide receiver. He also was just like such 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.720 a fun player, like football was so fun. Um. I 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:08.560 believe he went to Michigan State, So I guess we 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.640 can claim another Midwestern action Megan. Yeah, listen, I'll take 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.719 all the big ten boys we can. And if Flaxico 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.680 is in there, let's see where he went he went. 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.560 Oh yeah, he went to Michigan State. Wow. He was 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.640 the eighth pick in the two thousand draft. Michigan State 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.119 has some incredible receivers between him and notable bust May 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.399 rest in peace. Charles Rodgers m HM him and his 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.720 wife Um that he was on wife swap with They're 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.520 still married. That's wonderful. Yeah, so that's a fun up. 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.160 He's on a fun we're trying to light and bright. Well, 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.240 we'll see what c J does. No, I'm not gonna okay, 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.200 what you got, what you got, I'm gonna go with 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:54.080 an incident. But also kind of there's there's several incidents 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.720 of this guy. Nothing too crazy, but Ricky Davis two 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:02.000 three against the Jazz. He was a rebound away from 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.760 a triple double. So what he does. The ball gets 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.359 inbounded to him and he goes to his own basket 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.600 and throws the ball like in layup form off his 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.800 own rim and miss it and grabs it to count 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.240 as a rebound. They were up, the Cabs were up 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.760 against the Jazz, and to then get the rebound and 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.520 get a triple double, and everyone was pissed. I can't 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:25.800 remember what Jazz player fouled him and then send him 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.560 the line and he got fouled by his own teammates. 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.200 No, no no, no, no, he got fouled by the Jazz 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.600 because it was just like they all realized what he 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:35.600 was doing and they're just like we need to retaliate 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.240 or just like put him in his place. But there 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.639 is also like a classic Jerry Sloan postgame interview or 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.960 he's upset and yeah, this is like again how we say, 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.800 j R. We were not surprised by this very much, 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:49.920 Ricky Davis at the time, Yes, not surprised by this 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:51.680 as this guy like on a fast break who would 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.560 do like a three sixty dunk and miss it. I 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.520 think that was like another blunder that he had. But yeah, 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.879 total funk up or mess up, and it's just like, 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.840 why would you do that? But did I hear that? 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.639 And I'm like, that's he has an entrepreneurial spirit. He's like, 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.040 I'm gonna go get my own triple double. Like I 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.639 like it actually, and maybe it does like fall in 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.640 line with what's the name the baseball player the other night, 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:19.400 Tatis right, Yeah, but yeah, it's what you think. Yeah, 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:23.680 does basketball have unwritten rules? Are okay? Can you get 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.919 can you You don't do that to get a I mean, 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:28.920 you don't throw off your own basket for the rebound. 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.960 You don't like go on, you don't like compete in 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.360 the last few seconds if you're up twenty five. But 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.760 but yeah, so that's my pick, Ricky Davis. I like 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:40.119 that one, especially because I feel like the most fun 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:41.880 kind of picks that will have here are all about 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.840 Supris And I feel like that that starts to tow 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.760 that line. Yeah, it starts to the line and funk 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:49.959 up if it isn't it funk up if it's intentional. 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:52.159 You know, it's like he knew, he fully knew what 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:56.399 he was doing. He made his choice. Is that tweet? 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:58.800 It's like when I so I love it when I 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:05.399 read this is awful. Yeah, Ricky Davis, Okay, Regional Jr. 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.119 Original the O G j R. Okay, let's take a 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:12.080 quick back. What let's take a quick break and we 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.119 will be right back to the rest of our picks. 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:23.399 And we're back. And you know, two other people on 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:25.960 the podcast your last day at the Ringer, so you've 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:27.959 got Twitter mentions that you're waiting to see it. And 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.600 Megan put out her bubble show, so she is now 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:35.760 going through all of her Twitter mentions. Turned off the TV. 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.760 I turned off the TV. I mean, I'm now in trouble. 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:45.440 I couldn't have the TV on. Uh so much. Thank you. 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.119 Production looks a lot better than you know what because 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.320 of that compliment. I'm gonna let you tell us your 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.800 number two. I'm honored. Um, so it was. It was 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.640 mentioned a little at the top. My number two pick 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:04.440 is the MS Chris Webber tim in the National Champions Game. 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.280 So you know, Michigan, the Fab five in the National 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:12.400 Champion Game. They just got stumped by the Duke Blue Devils. Um. 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:19.120 They make it back April five, Um, they're playing North Carolina. Uh, 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:22.000 they're down seventy three, seventy one with a few seconds left, 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:26.240 Webber gets the ball. I should note that noted Lakers 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:30.240 had Ancho rob Is on the floor as a Michigan 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:34.000 basketball player. Webber first travels and it isn't called in 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:37.200 the UNC bench is going crazy with eleven seconds leaps. 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:39.639 He gets trapped at the sideline and of course he 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.920 called the time out that Michigan doesn't have results in 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.280 the UNC free throws. They hit a couple more after 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:49.520 that in Michigan loses the National Title Game seven seven seven. Now, 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.879 is there any part of you where you're, like, you know, 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:56.320 sympathize for Chris Webber. Yeah, certainly. I mean, like, I 0:24:56.359 --> 0:25:00.200 don't think he's a great announcer, but I liked I 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:04.320 I think there's I definitely sympathize because like at the time, 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.520 it was the biggest moment of his life. The National 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.480 Championship game. It's everything. Everyone knew it was gonna be 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:12.199 his last season. He's gonna go throw. He's Chris Webber. 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:14.880 This team is like this historic team, they of course 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.000 to change basketball, but they never won it all. And yeah, 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:21.600 he effectively, Well he sealed Michigan's lost. Yes, maybe he 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.320 kicks the ball to Polinka or Howard or Jaylon or whoever, 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.080 and they take the shot and they miss. Anyway in 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:31.159 Michigan still lose it, but the outcome that ended up 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.280 happening was definitive. Chris Webber lost the Nationals. Well, my 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:36.520 question is too, so he gets the rebound off that 0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:40.280 miss free throw, right, did he travel? And does he 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.080 wish he would have been called for the traveler cent 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.480 he travels? Um, Well, what's worse being called for a 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:51.760 travel which is obviously a personal funk up forgot the 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:55.760 first rule of basketball? Or is it something that almost 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.359 feels a little more like j R. Which is like, like, 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:02.440 I think even flight be less at fault than JR 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:04.400 issue because not knowing the score, I think is more 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.280 blat than not remembering how many times out you have 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:11.760 You should of course remember that, especially in that situation, right, Yeah, yeah, 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.280 I assume, and we a lot of like the grades 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:16.879 you talked about in those moments, just like the press, 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.360 just presence of mind, knowing the score, knowing how much 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:21.600 time left, knowing how many fouls to give or time 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.400 outs left, and yeah, I guess he didn't know, but yeah, 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.080 I always got to remember him like he almost traveled there. 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:32.320 That would have been worse or just definitely yeah. Yeah. 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:36.080 Now when Duke and Michigan play, who do you root for? 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.240 I root for do? Wow? Okay, oh, but my freshman 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.879 year because I do. There's no tickets for basketal games, students, 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.280 it's all three and it's all first you have to 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:53.320 we've seen we've seen the dorks outside. I'm kidding. I know, 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:58.359 I'm totally crying. I know people, but yeah, so I 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:00.480 slept out for a week for the Michigan game a 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:04.040 week and watch. Oh yeah, so for the UNC game 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.440 you sleep out for two months? No what tent? Yeah? 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:09.880 So it's a twelve person tent. They're like the very 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.439 structured things, one person tent. It's first come, first served 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.520 in the beginning. There's different sections at the Beginning the 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.000 first two weeks of the hearts right, you have to 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.120 have ten people out of the twelve every night, two 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:22.600 people at all times during the day. The next six 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.679 weeks or four weeks or however long it is, depending 0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:26.840 on the year, it's six people every night and one 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:28.760 person at all times during the day, and then the 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:31.400 last week is two people every night and one person 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:35.159 at all times. Do you like you have spreadsheets and 0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:38.040 schedules and making sure because they do random checks, you know, 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.320 you'll get a a two am uh, someone with a 0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:44.400 bullhorn to make sure you're in your tent. Uh. It's 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:48.480 it's wild, but it contributes to the absolute mania of 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.960 being a well and also, Duke is a very very 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:58.240 good school, so you're getting type A overachievers. You know, like, 0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.960 this is not no offense to work. Got some dumb 0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:04.760 dumbs that perdue, okay, and we would not be able 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.119 to figure out a spreadsheet of where we need to 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:09.240 be at any certain time. You know, we could barely 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.639 make its class. But Duke, it's like, yeah, these are 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:15.160 all val victorians that you've given one goal to try 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.520 and be as close to the basketball. That's that's this 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:22.080 is like the Gladiator oh yeah, and so it's it's 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.679 really funny, like the one of the big selling points 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.280 when I was freshman and they told me, oh, it's okay, 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.359 you contend and still do your homework. They set up 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:34.640 WiFi on the grass like but yeah, no, of course 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:36.479 that would have mattered to me if I went to class, 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.680 but that's another story. Um. But anyway, I attended out 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:44.040 for the Michigan game. I watched mis McGarry, who previously 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:47.280 almost committed to do and on his recruiting visit from 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:48.600 what I've been told, I wasn't there at the time, 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.600 went to shoot her as the student bar, took his 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:51.920 shirt off, stood on the top of the bar so 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.440 swinging it over his head and yelled, I love this 0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:58.120 and I'm never leaving, and then committed to Michigan. Well 0:28:58.120 --> 0:28:59.600 that's why I want to know what the stories at 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.760 Michigan and were then in his recruiting visit there. Look, 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:07.040 having spent uh plenty of nights at both schools, Michigan's 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.600 more fun, you probably made wow good. I mean, I 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.520 both of my uncles went to Duke, and I went 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.680 there on like a college visit when I was in 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.440 cal Or. When I was in high school and I 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.360 had gotten inadvertently food poisoning the night before, and I 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:25.040 puked all over the student union and then my uncle 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.040 was like showing me around after I puked, and he 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:29.800 looked at me, he goes, you don't want to go here, 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:33.000 and then we just left. I was like, Okay, I guess, 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.920 I guess I'm not going to duke Um. You had 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:38.200 more fun. I had a lot of fun at Perdue, 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.680 and it was a lot cheaper. And I always say like, 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:42.440 if I had gone to a school that was any 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.520 more expensive than Perdue, I don't think I would have 0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:46.800 been able to do stand up afterwards because I would 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.720 have been so afraid of like my crippling dead. I mean, 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:56.360 I graduated at the Peak. I graduated at the peaksion. 0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:01.000 Right when I graduated, it was the total bill was 0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:06.600 a quarter million dollars. That's colleges, Fuck you, that's crazy. 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:10.120 I can't wait for them to burst. It's going to happen. Okay, 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:14.160 Sally May, sure, honey, Okay, Henney, all right, Okay, So 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.440 my number two pick, we're staying on a college campus. 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.080 At one point it was gonna be Lance Armstrong. I 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.840 think we know he fucked up. So I went back 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:26.280 in my catalog of people I've laughed at, and an 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:30.000 image of Bobby Petrino in a neck brace popped in 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:32.400 my head. And I don't know if you guys remember 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:37.040 this story. It's so it's like they could make like 0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:40.000 a lifetime movie about this. Okay. So Bobby Petrino is 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.360 that name? Even ringing a bell to you, the man 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:48.680 the football coach in a neck brace at practice. Okay. 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:54.120 So Bobby Petrino was the Arkansas head coach and he 0:30:55.080 --> 0:31:00.120 hired a former Arkansas volleyball player, Jessica Dorrel, to be 0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:04.320 something called a student Athlete Development coordinator. Now, when you 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.440 hear a title like that, it is a fine question 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.800 to go you fucking the coach? Okay? So she was, 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.040 in fact having an affair with the coach. Bobby Petrino 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:19.720 gets in like a very scary motorcycle accident. It's reported 0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.400 all over the news, and then a few days later 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.280 it comes out that he was not alone on the motorcycle. 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.600 This married. You know, we're in Arkansas. I'm sure Jesus 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.520 is floating around a lot. He um was actually with 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.920 this new woman he hired for a kind of like 0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:42.640 odd position. Um, Jessica was on the motorcycle with him. 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:46.480 Then at that point that is like major, major news 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.880 that he had his mistress on the motorcycle with him. Um, 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:53.960 he is suspended by the University of Arkansas and then 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.400 people start protesting for him, Like the story just kept 0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:02.000 getting bigger and bigger. He's to practice in this hilarious 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:03.800 like when you see someone in a neck brace, their 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:05.640 neck is hurt and it is sad, but in like 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:09.160 movies and comedies, we've been programmed to be like that's funny, 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.600 they're lying, you know, they like snap them off and 0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:17.480 ambulance chasers and all that. So, Um, he eventually admits 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:23.800 that he had an inappropriate relationship and I mean in 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:27.520 her twenties, she was younger. She's an older guy and 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:32.360 she was younger. Yeah, yeah, she was young And then 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:37.680 the like board of directors at Arkansas unanimously voted to 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:43.320 fire him. Wow, yeah, that is a fun up. I 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.120 need I need to mention my favorite part of this, 0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:46.840 which is so there's a famous press confer the image 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.120 of him in the neck brace from a press conference 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.840 where he's wearing a sugar bowl hat as if to say, 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:54.560 you're not going to fire me, I took you to 0:32:54.640 --> 0:33:02.680 the So did he end up ward king after this? Yeah? Yeah, 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:10.000 he's that old miss I think still there is a 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.880 Western Kentucky for a year. I think it's hired to Louisball. 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:16.440 At least he was Lamar Jackson's coach. Wow. And then 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:21.880 and then he like just lands at Missouri State after Louisville. 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:26.480 So we got fired Louis and then uh yeah, it's 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.880 just it's truly amazing. So it's not failing up, but 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:33.120 it's like failing and still having a job. Well. I 0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:34.719 don't know what kind of privilege it is, but the 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:37.840 chances you get after some of these like straight up 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:42.400 crimes you're committing. Sometimes as he didn't committing, you just 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.800 got in a motorcycle accident where he wasn't wearing a 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.360 helmet and his mistress was on and he's a public figure, 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:53.240 so it's like dog, come on. Yeah, I think had 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.640 just been like a regular old mistress that he had 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.080 it hired. I don't think he'd be fired. You know, 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:00.680 it's when you start like they may have would wait 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:04.520 for him to like lose a few games. I am 0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:08.600 thinking of a person in particular in my brain who 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:12.200 I will not mention had a mistress with also working 0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.520 within an athletic department, still has his job. Why won't 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.200 you say the name, oh still has the job, still 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:22.160 has j and I was not the mistress. Reply to 0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:24.720 our tweet promoting this podcast. If you have any guesses 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.960 and Megan will I, I would say the fact that 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.239 I'm not saying what it is is like a very 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.480 big hint. Does that makes sense? Okay? So C j 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:39.080 um So that's Bobby Petrino, Thank you, Thank you for 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:42.800 your service, Bobby, um C you give us your number two. Okay. Cool. 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:44.920 I'm not a big baseball fan, as you guys know, 0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:47.399 but this is what I always think about baseball since 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:51.400 I was a kid. Bill Buckner, Game six, Uh, missed grounder. 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.520 I mean that is when people talk about not just 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.840 fucking up in sports, but just like, man, you you 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:01.440 ruined it for everybody, Bill Buckner just missing that grounder. Again, 0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:03.480 Like I played baseball a little bit and a grounder 0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:05.400 was pretty easy, and it's like, yes, I'm gonna make 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:08.960 a play here, and um yeah, they lost Game six, 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:11.440 and they ended up losing in Game seven. But the 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:15.160 thing is, this incident has been dissected so much. And 0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:19.120 I'm guessing, do you have another baseball pick coming? No, 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.239 because again because we can talk about it, there is 0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:28.200 another baseball funk up um that was more fan related. 0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:31.759 But these are not in deciding game, you know, Like 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:35.279 but they talk about momentum ships. It's like JR. You know, 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:37.759 but that's something that's it's also important. I think that 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.640 both happened for and I don't really ruin the other one. 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:44.200 In case I'm gonna pick, it happened for cursed teams. Yes, 0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:49.440 so there was a lot more pressure. Yeah, you're like, no, 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:51.920 we we were about to do it, but then you 0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.080 fucked it up. But it's like, but you guys also 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.480 lost Game seven, which I think when you are a 0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:02.120 cursed team, you have this sort of you kind of 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:06.480 act like a victim because like, oh, the actual it's 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.920 not us doing this. It's like the world, the world, 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:13.680 there is some higher power that's against us. And it's like, no, 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:16.640 you just sucking sucked for a long time, Like you 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.440 think a goat really did this to you. I don't know. 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:21.480 I don't think so. I don't think a goat has 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:25.400 that power. I think you just were a shitty organization 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.120 for a while so I just feel so bad for 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.200 Bill Buckner. Um, and he's gone on to have like 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.400 a fine life, and it's it's like handsome and kind 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:37.560 of looks like he's passed away. Oh ship, he passed 0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:41.520 away a couple of years ago. No, oh my god. 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:43.600 But you know what, I think he had some depressed 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.600 woman's but and then you know, because pop culture. He again, 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.080 the reason why I knew him was that was the name, 0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:51.280 and they made fun of him in every show, movie 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.239 or whatever. But I think then he he like came 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.720 back from it and was able to make fun of himself. 0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:03.640 It certainly seems like yeah, which is yeah, I mean yeah, 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.799 I would if I was him, I would just be like, Okay, 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.279 well we lost Game seven, and did I do that? 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.560 Did I do that too? My dad says, you got 0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.520 to get your glove dirty. That's what you always say. 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.960 Get your glove dirty, Meg, get your glove on the ground. Yes, 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:19.040 get your glove on the ground, because your dad. Get 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:22.040 your glove dirty. Girls. Um, okay, let's take a quick 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:23.680 break and then we'll be back with our number one 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:37.200 picks and we are back in Shocker. How we usually 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:38.719 do it is since you are a guest. You're gonna 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:40.600 be the big Grand Finale. So Megan and I will 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:45.880 pick and you'll bring us home. Okay, So I don't 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.399 think I feel like No, I do have um two 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:54.279 other honorable mentions. They are coaching related. I just really like, 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.000 I was like, coaches buck things up all the time 0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:58.839 and are bad people, and I want to make sure 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:01.680 we drag them to So my coaching funk ups are 0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:05.560 Lane Kiffin. The name itself makes me just like smack 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.480 my forehead, like he's just such a dumbass goober. And 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:13.200 then Rick Pettino. Rick Pettino just can't he can't win. 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.560 I mean, I mean he can't win. But he just 0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:20.360 extorted by a woman, he impregnated, constant n C Double 0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:25.240 A violations, went to the NBA, was a disaster back 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.279 at the n C double A more violations. Like he 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:31.799 just really he like makes me laugh too. He's kind 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:35.279 of like a fun, devilish character. So those are my 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:43.200 honorable mentions. And then my number one pick is Johnny Manzell, right, 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.040 because I really was like, who is someone that I 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.000 didn't ever like that I would feel fine giving this 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:54.920 title too. And you know when you're Wikipedia page has 0:38:54.960 --> 0:39:00.360 an entire section devoted to controversies. It's probably a pretty 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.719 safe bet he was just some He truly could not 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:07.520 get out of his own way everywhere he went. And 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:11.160 they weren't massive fun ups, but they were just like constant, 0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:14.960 tiny ones. Like he got arrested before he ever played 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.880 a down of college football. He overslept and then was 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:22.440 like tweeting mean ship about the Manning passing camp. He 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:27.680 got pulled over. He was always having like issues fighting 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:30.480 with girlfriends. I mean, for you to get benched by 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:33.400 the Browns, you like really have to have funked up, 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.000 which they have a lot of those, I know, And 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:37.680 and that's why I was like, when you're when you 0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:40.160 when you're trying to find funk ups, just go to 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:43.560 the Browns organization and like close your eyes and put 0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:47.080 your finger out. Um. But Johnny, Johnny Manzel, it's just 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.520 it's a punchline name a little bit at this point 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.600 and just a tiny white boy with the biggest chip 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.960 on his shoulder, and he just I wish he had 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.720 been able to to do it, but he You almost 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:03.200 look at Baker and you're like, are you the more grounded? 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.440 Not much more, but are you the more grounded version 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:08.799 of Johnny and I think that's still sort of like 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.799 remains to be seen. Yeah, well, I mean we make 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:15.200 fun of our Cleveland sports fan friends when we like, 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:21.680 they get excited over a Baker this year, this year, 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:23.440 it's like, this could be But the thing is, you 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.440 don't know, this could be our year. And it's like, Okay, 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.640 that seems like a really fun delusion. But then you 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.719 have to realize what they've had to suffer through in 0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:36.120 witness You're like, okay, yeah, for your sanity, be hopeful, 0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:38.839 be hopeful, but also just keep it at a level 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:42.880 of that as a Lions fan, which I think is 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.239 the closest you can get to being a Browns fan either, 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:51.799 it's um hope is poison. Hope is absolutely okay. Every 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:53.719 single year I come into the season and say this 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:56.839 might be it. We might do something. Every single year 0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.239 I've been wrong. The last time the Lions when a 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.759 playoff game was before I was born. Jeez, I didn't 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:08.320 realize that. Yeah, I want to. I mean, we wasted 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.520 the careers of two of the best skilled position players 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:14.200 at all the time. You see um Bills fans go 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:16.400 through it too. I mean, to lose four super Bowls 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:18.960 in a row, and then my my dad, he was like, 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.279 I have to find I'm gonna. They had just moved 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.719 to Indianapolis, and he goes, this team is terrible and 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:25.719 I know that and I like them. Like he was like, 0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.640 I have to I cannot with the Bills anymore. But 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.160 there's so many people that are able to just ride 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:34.080 it through, So can I can? I ask a kind 0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:36.400 of thought extreme question. Would you rather be a Bills 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.040 fan where you come so close so many times you've 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.359 never gotten it, or be like a Lions fan where 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:45.399 you never had the faintest chance of I don't know, 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:49.840 because it's kind of like that love law, like is 0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.360 it better to love than I don't even remember what 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:55.799 it is? Um? But because like losing in the Super Bowl, 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:59.360 that makes you like the cold when the cold slaws 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.040 Saints in the Super Well, I cried, and I know 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.279 that's embarrassing, but I was strunk too, but I cried, um, 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:09.080 And then it was like so depressed And if they 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:13.560 had just gone like four and twelve, that would have 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:16.440 been I don't think I would have cried. I I 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:19.520 think the pain in the moment is worse, but the 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:24.360 sustained pain of your team. Just being bad probably is 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:29.440 overall worse. It definitely worked me. Like there's not a 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.200 single Lions game I go into thinking we're gonna win 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.680 this game. It's always well, I hope we don't blow this. 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:38.319 Yeah yeah, but who yeah, who knows? Just having your 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:40.120 your hopes up so high and then just defeat it 0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:41.800 every year four times in a row like the Bills. 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:48.960 Is oh that documentary four falls? Yeah? So good? So 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:54.720 we chucker. What sport? Is your your funk up? Then mine? Okay, 0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:56.719 I'm not going to have that. Do you have any 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.640 honorable mentions? So I guess I'll say, I'll say Bartman. 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:04.080 But um, yeah, I'm sympathetic. In Chicago sports fans are crazy, 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.640 and I feel bad for the guy that's not I 0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:10.160 I don't blame like Martman. I'm with Ron oor Test. 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.600 I'm with that you are in my Hall of Fame 0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:14.560 of this is not your fault. I wish there was 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:18.160 like a sports psychology, like sports science, but for psychology, 0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.200 where you hit like an almost home run and see 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:24.239 how many fans reach their hand out. Well in the 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:31.000 about him is entirely vindicating um because they interview all 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:32.759 these people around him that were like, yeah, I was 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:34.759 also trying to catch it, and I was also and 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:39.600 again not the deciding game. So I mean, yeah, I 0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:41.880 would love to hear what people think about that. My 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:44.080 my number one funk up is kind of just a 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:49.160 Tina's Dinner twice. But it's a Portland Trailblazers drafting Sam 0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:54.719 Bowie and Greg odin Um when they were clearly there 0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:57.279 was Michael Jordan's, there was a h and there was 0:43:57.320 --> 0:43:59.759 a Kevin Durant that existed in the dress. Okay, well 0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.560 the Greg odin won. I don't think of Greg oden 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:06.080 as a bust Um because not as clearly as a 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.759 bus that everyone thinks he is. But I don't know 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:13.799 that there were safer stars available. Yeah. I actually pushed 0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.680 back on that because that the time Gregor I mean 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:20.600 something completely different. Yeah, but uh, he made the National 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.440 Champions Game. He It was also at a time in 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:26.239 the league where like big men were, if you had 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:28.719 a dominant big Matt, you had a safe team for it. 0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:31.799 And he was the best big man prospect we've seen 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:36.440 probably Chef KG actually. But also you know there's the 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:40.720 whole uh not being very good after his injuries. Yeah, 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:44.520 I just it's it is sad um mainly. I mean, 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:46.120 I feel like this pick could have just been on 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:50.279 drafting Sam Bowie um over Jordan over and then who 0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:54.080 did was it a came? No, A came two nights. 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:56.520 I actually don't even know who Sam Bowie is exactly, 0:44:56.880 --> 0:45:02.239 which is tough. It was two was the key so draft, Yeah, 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:04.040 I guess. So that's what makes it a funk up 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:05.600 to me is that you drafted sand but over a 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:07.759 chem and Jordan's if you're looking for a center a 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:13.840 chemo and I believe Booie has some injury issues in college. Yeah, yeah, 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.200 there's a little bit more telling um and there there's 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:18.160 a doc out there that I yeah, I gotta rewatch, 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.880 but it just it almost bums me out. So I 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.400 am somebothing nothing else. It makes me happy to know 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:25.560 that all three of us could have been professional basketball 0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:27.440 scouts in the eighties and we worked on just as 0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:29.759 good of a job. Yeah. Now, do you think maybe 0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:33.840 you're picking a Trailblazers as your number one because of 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:36.279 what's currently going on between them and the Lakers? But 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:39.040 I can't, you know, I don't get involved in the 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:44.560 Twitter battles because that's almost embarrassing, like, oh my god, 0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:46.960 these Lakers fans, they're gonna be talking a lot of 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:51.360 ship when the Clippers one. I'm like, that's you, number 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:54.719 one ship talker. I see is the call is coming 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.160 from within your own brain? Um, all of that is 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:01.120 is Lebron motivated inspired, So okay, so then you you're 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:05.080 a Lebron ship talker. All right, shocker, bring us home 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.160 with your number one pick. I'm so glad I got 0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.520 to do this. I should imagine my honorable mentions. I have, 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:12.959 um a couple that you guys have drafted. I also 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:17.520 have the Harden trade was not just a real They 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.319 had three uh three NBA m v P s and 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.960 future Hall of famers and they have the wrong one. 0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:27.920 But no, So my number one pick, I want to 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.440 take us back to Italy in two thousand six. I 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:34.400 want to take us to the women's snowboard cross finals. 0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:38.239 I want to take us to Lindsay Jacobells Linda jacobellas 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:42.480 Lyncha Jacobellis has had one the previous World championship. At 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:45.280 this game, she'd won like two or three x games 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:48.040 in this event. She has a two or three second 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:51.520 lead on the snow crossed field to win the gold medal. 0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.000 On the second to last jump, she attempts she just 0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.680 watched the show them right, she's she has such a 0:46:56.760 --> 0:47:00.440 huge lead, she show, She tries to trick, she balls, 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:04.319 she tries to recover, she ends up getting silver, and 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:07.680 her quote afterwards was I was having fun. Snowboarding is fun, 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:12.000 and I wanted to share my enthusiasm only times. It 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.160 was the only time she metal the Olympics. When she 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:17.359 got there, she failed to make the metal round because 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:21.120 in her semifinal race she landed a jump. Then she 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:25.239 was arguably the best athlete at her events in the 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:29.080 world from the time she started competing, and she blew 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:30.879 up on the biggest stage because she wanted to show. 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.200 I mean, I do like her quote though, of like, 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.120 snowboarding is fun and I just wanted to have fun. 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:41.040 But is that the best and had Here's the thing, 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.200 how she landed it. I would have remembered it as 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:47.719 that was fucking Linda Jagabels trying to trick, as she's 0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:53.000 just destroying the field. But she fell and she lost. Yeah, 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:55.480 and that's again the argument we talked about the hubris 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:57.560 of like and one of my honorable mentions I've got 0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.839 to say, was DeShawn Jackson, you know, like he would 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:03.040 have been. I mean he is one of the most 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:05.919 electric places, but a lot of those highlight plays were 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:10.319 ruined by his celebration. You know, do you remember that? 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.839 Oh yeah, I mean yeah, him celebrating before he gets 0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:18.640 into the that's why. That's why when he said crazy stuff, 0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.520 it's like, we don't really need to but yeah, the 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:25.760 revisionist history of it. Had he done that one yard later, Wow, 0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.240 great at one of the best players of that season, 0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:31.160 you know, yeah, yeah, I'm surprised we didn't have any 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:36.239 football guys celebrating pre God in the Olympics. And like 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:40.520 there's so many of just like dropping the ball was 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:44.360 in a college game like a year or two ago, somebody. 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:47.040 It was a kick six or something like that, return 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:49.160 all the way back, he drops the ball, shine the 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:52.880 one and then it's returned all the other well, and 0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:57.919 and and the Olympics is like the reason it's it's 0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:01.160 the most emotional sports to why because they do human 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:04.560 intrat stories so well, and it is only every other 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:09.120 four years, and for an athlete, four years is an eternity. 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:12.239 I mean, your entire body can change you can then 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.480 be like Okay, I mean for gymnasts, it's like a 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:16.400 lot of times they get one shot their fifteen and 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:18.640 then by the time they're nineteen, it's like, no, you're 0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.560 too old now to be a gymnast. So it's really 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:25.719 so cut throat and gosh, you hear heartbringing stories of 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:29.040 people barely missing the team, and those are so sad. 0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:32.799 But I do feel like, at least for the level 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:35.840 headedness and like the I'm doing this what is this 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:40.319 called what they do in Hawaii? T hang ten? I 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:46.200 feel like, h a female snowboarder is mentally able to 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:49.719 bounce back from that by being like, live on right, 0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:53.080 I don't get hot pass that half. This is the 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:56.680 best excuse just to like kind of describe my passion. 0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:59.759 But yeah, probably wouldn't do that again. Um yeah. And 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:02.080 the four years thing, it just is like, could you 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:06.239 imagine you only you only get one shot really good 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:09.279 two shots for something like that before the next generation 0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:12.360 comes in. Goddamn it tough, but that was that was 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.600 my number one time. It's just nothing great sums it 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:17.920 up better than that. Yeah, I mean I feel like 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:19.920 if we went back and looked through because that's what 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:23.040 I always overlook is the Olympics and this, and there's 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.000 got to be a lot of stories of just like 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:27.600 I regretted that and the train for four years and 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:29.920 then just never having that opportunity again, which she got 0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:33.160 and yeah, it just wasn't close to herself at that 0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.839 point for sure. Um, all right, well shocker, give us 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:39.719 some parting words. Uh. Here, it's your last day of 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.600 the Ringer. We're so fortunate to have you here. What 0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:45.360 are you excited about coming up? Sports wise and just 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:48.680 in your personal journey sports wise? Obviously, the NBA Playoffs 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:51.200 are back, HIGs basketball fan can't wait for that. I 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:53.439 hope that the n c Double AF for both college 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:55.920 school and college basketball can't figure out a way to 0:50:55.960 --> 0:51:00.000 actually classify their students as athletes not student athletes. Nonsign 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.400 pay them and then play the have them play in 0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:04.320 a secure bubble if they want to and if the 0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:06.640 school needs them too, because whatever they're doing now is 0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:10.399 just absolute poor ship. Yeah, Champions League Final is either 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:13.920 going on now or we'll start soon, big sary fan. Uh. 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:16.000 And in my personal life, I'm gonna I think I'm 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:17.919 gonna take a week off. I've taken four or five 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:20.880 days off in three years of the Ringer. I'm gonna 0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.319 take a couple of days off, try to reset, take 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.840 a week off, take a nice drive. I passed Pyramid 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:29.520 late the other day, was beautiful. Or you could go 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:32.400 up and down the pc H on Saturday. I think 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:35.080 my girlfriend and I are gonna go drive down to 0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:37.799 a friend of the friend of the podcast, Michael Lloyd, 0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:40.759 where and where they're staying in Arizona, to take a 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:44.080 nice six hour drive to the middle of the desert. Yeah, 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:49.319 totally logical choice. Yeah. I don't know you had a 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:53.160 girlfriend though. This is so exciting. Yeah, she's wonderful. You'd 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:55.440 like I'm sure, I can't. I can't wait till we 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:58.960 can all socialize in person again. 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