WEBVTT - Draft Mailbag + Scouting with Mike Tannenbaum

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<v Speaker 1>The Around the NFL podcast still thinks they could pass

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<v Speaker 1>for college students from the Chris Wesley podcast to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who is claiming that in this room.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that the consistent like angry agism theme coming from.

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<v Speaker 3>Jason's I think it might have been a reference hens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Around the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Secler. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark went to Coachella? What of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it made such a tremendous deal of I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. It seems like someone else has issues with

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<v Speaker 2>it much more than I do. I came, I went,

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<v Speaker 2>it's my moved on, It's now?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it Thursday? It's Thursday.

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<v Speaker 3>The most surprising thing about it was you are a

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<v Speaker 3>self admitted not a music guy. Yeah, but he was

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<v Speaker 3>the only surprising. Well, first of all, that's I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's an over explanation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's off base. Like I do like tons of music.

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<v Speaker 2>I went there and found new stuff that I liked,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's about seven thousand other things that you can

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<v Speaker 2>accomplish there and see and do, so, you know, get

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<v Speaker 2>off his back is what?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the taste? Who's they?

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<v Speaker 2>And I came back here with all these production elements

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<v Speaker 2>attacking my weekend choices.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what what's going on? What's going behind the scenes?

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<v Speaker 1>Who propelled you to to to go down that road? Justin?

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't write that drop, but I did receive it

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<v Speaker 4>a little while ago, and I thought, based on the

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<v Speaker 4>things that had happened earlier this week on the show,

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<v Speaker 4>that it made sense to be you know, you would imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine that not all layers of the pre

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<v Speaker 2>planning process have been revealed to myself.

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<v Speaker 1>The narrative, the narrative was in place, you're saying, Justin,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were just extending the narrative right the through

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<v Speaker 1>line of this week's.

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<v Speaker 4>I always try to find story line, a zum drop

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<v Speaker 4>that relates to what is happening in the show.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's just good producing. You know what

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<v Speaker 3>else would be good producing? Suggesting that, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>the off season. We got some extra breathing space here.

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<v Speaker 3>We should do the seven thousand things at Coachella and

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<v Speaker 3>not in music that you can get into podcast. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that'd be fun. It's made a bit of a mouthful,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'd like to hear all seven thousand be happy

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<v Speaker 3>to race that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think any writers behind the scenes might have

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<v Speaker 1>some that might be more material. Exactly unbelievable. It all

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<v Speaker 1>folds into one seamless production. Speaking of our producer, Justin Graver,

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<v Speaker 1>there had been as I understand it, this was a

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<v Speaker 1>little surprising to me, but people aren't clear on some

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<v Speaker 1>details of our live Round one stream of the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>Draft and what exactly it is. I guess we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do me included by the way, so we didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>the job that we were trying to do in the

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<v Speaker 1>last show in terms of explaining what it is. So

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to perhaps provide clarity to those members

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<v Speaker 1>of the audience?

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<v Speaker 4>And Mark, absolutely, I would love to. So we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to be live on YouTube during the first round of

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<v Speaker 4>the draft that Thursday, I play.

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<v Speaker 1>You did but just for you.

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<v Speaker 4>During the first round of the draft next Thursday night,

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<v Speaker 4>April twenty seventh, we'll be live at eight pm Eastern

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<v Speaker 4>five pm Pacific, basically to watch the first round of

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<v Speaker 4>the draft. If you guys have ever wondered what's it

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<v Speaker 4>like to watch the draft with the atn heroes, this

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<v Speaker 4>is your chance. We're not going to be broadcasting the

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<v Speaker 4>draft footage or coverage, so sort of like a compendium.

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<v Speaker 4>Put the draft on your TV on NFL Network, open

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<v Speaker 4>up your laptop, your tablet, your phone, stream the atn show,

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<v Speaker 4>and hang out with us during the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>Where people wondering if we'd be tipping picks or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I I think people were wondering if we would

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<v Speaker 4>show the like Goodell announcing each pick or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 4>We won't be tipping. We won't be tipping picks. We

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<v Speaker 4>won't be doing any of that. We're just gonna be

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<v Speaker 4>like hanging out watching the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>So join us.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love I love the word compendium. Else I

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<v Speaker 1>also want to say, like if people don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>to do it in concert with the telcast, I say

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<v Speaker 1>you should and watch NFL Network. But we're going as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as the draft pick is made by Roger Goodell,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to repeat it as well, so we could

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<v Speaker 1>be a one stop shop if you need us to

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<v Speaker 1>be as well.

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<v Speaker 3>We certainly will be mentioning it. We will not be

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<v Speaker 3>calling it a compendium though. COMPENITM. Yeah, I think you

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<v Speaker 3>were trying to think of adendum. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 3>a compendium is a summary. According to dictionary dot com

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<v Speaker 3>a brief treatment or account of a subject. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think it works in this context in any way. Companion

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<v Speaker 3>or a dendum, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think a compendium would be three plus hours long.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's either way. It's it's not a word that

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<v Speaker 3>makes any sense to their context.

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<v Speaker 4>English is kind of hard, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just roll it, shut up. It's axillary.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if we're gonna give them, there's some people

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<v Speaker 3>that have told me they've learned English by listening to

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<v Speaker 3>this podcast, and I wouldn't I wouldn't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you please shake today's show?

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<v Speaker 5>Good?

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<v Speaker 1>One more draft coverage. Mike Tannenbaum, former front office GM

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<v Speaker 1>and executive vice president. He's done it all in our

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<v Speaker 1>league and now he's an insider for ESPN and a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of the show. This is not Mike's first trip

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<v Speaker 1>to around the NFL land. He's going to join us

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later, but before we do that, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of the listeners and viewers that we love oh so much,

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<v Speaker 1>sent out a mailbag prompt yesterday, draft questions, comments, theories,

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<v Speaker 1>What do you have got? And I thought they did

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<v Speaker 1>a nice job. I thought they did a nice job.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that always the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I feel like the performance goes up and down.

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<v Speaker 2>At this time they seem primed.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, who's like a inconsistent, Like who's known

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<v Speaker 1>for being inconsistent in the NFL? He can't quite put

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<v Speaker 1>a finger on his performance? Is like a Baker Mayfield.

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<v Speaker 1>Baker Mayfield sort of fits that. Yeah, so we're care

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<v Speaker 1>but this was Baker playing the Broncos on Christmas or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Great performance. Let's get to it. Maybe we're shorting the

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<v Speaker 1>audience with Baker.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for a franchise in turmoil, and you know how

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<v Speaker 2>about Kirk Cousins.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it kind of steady ed, Derek Carr Car.

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<v Speaker 1>Derek Carr Car, let's go there. But that's only when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the mail bag. Let's go through some

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<v Speaker 1>questions that kind of jumped out that were solid justin,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go you want to read him justin.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd be happy to read. Okay, go ahead, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>at Dan at around the NFL. Okay, welcome this one.

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<v Speaker 4>I did because it's where do you Dan? And each

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<v Speaker 4>of the heroes want to see richardson land. Also, I

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<v Speaker 4>implore Mark to flex his third eye after his stay

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<v Speaker 4>in the desert to peek into the future and relay

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<v Speaker 4>to us whether this young man's tail be tall or tragic.

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<v Speaker 4>That's from Yakobabro.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that one, very good Yako. This man is

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<v Speaker 1>celebrating for twenty today. This tweet. The author of the tweet.

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<v Speaker 3>For twenty bro twenty brouh to our really high damn

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<v Speaker 3>damashek who would do that in the newsroom very often, very.

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<v Speaker 1>Often Anthony Richardson polarizing, tantilizing draft prospect out of the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Florida. Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>My first instinct is enough with this jazz about the

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<v Speaker 2>Falcons telling us that Desmond Ridder is the second coming

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<v Speaker 2>of someone else. Like, just go get Anthony Richardson. I

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<v Speaker 2>love the idea of him being developed there in a

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<v Speaker 2>run heavy offense that can use everything he does. You

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<v Speaker 2>can use Ritter this year and let Richardson grow into

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<v Speaker 2>what he is. I think richards and someone who's we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be like, oh, he's a raw project who will

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<v Speaker 2>be starting by the second half of week two.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'd love to see him with the Lions' That

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<v Speaker 3>was my easy choice. Like, I think the Seahawks should

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<v Speaker 3>take him. It's taken me a while to get to

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<v Speaker 3>this point, because you know how I feel about Gino.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just think with their system and the way

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<v Speaker 3>they develop players, I think the Seats actually should take

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<v Speaker 3>Richardson because it's such an opportunity at the top of

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<v Speaker 3>the draft. But I don't think they will, and I

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<v Speaker 3>will be happy that they don't if the Lions grab

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<v Speaker 3>him right after that and he's the quarterback of the future.

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<v Speaker 1>There exciting. If the Falcons come out of this draft

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<v Speaker 1>with Desmond Ridder and then all these different free agency

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<v Speaker 1>they brought in, I'm going to eather their asses on

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night, go get a quarter I'm looking for it

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<v Speaker 1>to interesting if they get a quarterback that you can

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<v Speaker 1>really get excited about. Some people think that's Desmon Ridder.

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<v Speaker 1>Raise your hand if you're out there next.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Next question from Blair Carrigan. Quote intangibles, quote,

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<v Speaker 4>get out of jail, phrases used by GMS league wide.

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<v Speaker 4>First question over under how many times this will be

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<v Speaker 4>uttered on Draft night? And second part top ten drinking

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<v Speaker 4>game words for Draft night.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. Let's see.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean value, you would be drunk. If Hammer he's

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<v Speaker 3>the word value.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers, you'd be sauced. Let's see what is it? Bendable? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think bendable.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like sometimes can be a little more of

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<v Speaker 2>a Day two or Day three where they're really doing

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<v Speaker 2>the old stretch for content. Whatever we need to do

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<v Speaker 2>talk about is how the way his legs and ankles, moth.

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<v Speaker 1>Trade up, trade back, tremendous upside, upside, high motor guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You could do a Bengo card. You really could sleep

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<v Speaker 1>or pick student of the game.

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<v Speaker 3>Intangibles is annoying because like intangibles could mean literally anything

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<v Speaker 3>off like off the field means almost anything. Like Jalen Carter,

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<v Speaker 3>for instance, has a very serious thing that happened in

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<v Speaker 3>his life that changed his life, and I think that

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<v Speaker 3>should be considered. But I've seen it kind of thrown

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<v Speaker 3>that in like the fact that oh does he play

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<v Speaker 3>hard every play like, and they just throw it into

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<v Speaker 3>one big in tangibles bucket and it's like, you gotta

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<v Speaker 3>does you're talking.

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<v Speaker 1>About does he pass the eye test? He does? That's

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. And as for the overunder, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say intangibles on the you're talking about the and we

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<v Speaker 1>everything we drive through the NFL Network telecast the eight

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock to eleven o'clock or whatever Eastern NFL network telecast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say fourteen and a half for intangible.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll set the overunder best available player. That's one here,

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<v Speaker 3>here's the one that annoys me. It's like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 3>can plug him in for ten years. Like, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>ten year starter. Plug and play ten years. It's always

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<v Speaker 3>ten and it's always a guard right and by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>guards like haven't been that safe picks in general, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's always like, oh, plug and play ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy was his pro day was unbelievable. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>what else we got? I like this one? By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>trash can full of dirt. I don't even know what.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's pretty common. You know, maybe we should make

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<v Speaker 4>a Bingo card for our draft show next Thursday and

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<v Speaker 4>play this game as it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, great call defensive linemen who are hard to move

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way, A trash can full of dirt?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever tried? Pretty good? It's the heavy object.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we could, we could come up with a

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<v Speaker 3>fun list. We would be drinking the gatorade the official

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<v Speaker 3>NFL pepsi so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's get a big whiteboard, a Bengo board.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, fun, all right. Next question from Joe liften

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<v Speaker 4>a draft theory, actually not a question. The Detroit Lions

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<v Speaker 4>will take two d linemen and or edge rushers with

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<v Speaker 4>their picks at six and eighteen, and defenses across the

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<v Speaker 4>NFL will be overwhelmed with this talent complementing Hutchinson and Houston,

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<v Speaker 4>and the Lions will surpass the seventy sacks of the Eagles.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's seventy sacks. That's a high number. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about all that, but I totally believe they

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<v Speaker 1>should do the old Speaking of tropes and cliches, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Lions should think very hard about doing the

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<v Speaker 1>the all defense draft, where you the team that feels

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<v Speaker 1>like it's only one side of the ball that's giving

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<v Speaker 1>them trouble, and then they very consciously only draft players

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<v Speaker 1>on that side of the well. I feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys have done that three or four times under Jara

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<v Speaker 1>in the last ten years or so. I love the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of them going and getting whether it's Will Anderson

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<v Speaker 1>or Tyree Wilson.

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<v Speaker 3>Carter might fall to them at six.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be crazy if Carter next to Hutchinson would

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<v Speaker 1>be parm with Hutchinson and then have a real strength

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<v Speaker 1>in your front seven because I don't think the offense.

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<v Speaker 1>I might be asking too much for the offense to

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<v Speaker 1>be as good as it was last year, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's gonna crater. So I love the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of building up that defense for Dan Campbell and then

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<v Speaker 1>seeing what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the spot there, and I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 3>they have massive needs, so they can do whatever they want.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they want to take defensive lineman. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it'd make more sense at six because it feels like

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<v Speaker 3>defensive linemen get pushed up a lot. This class seems

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<v Speaker 3>not super deep, and taking one again at eighteen. They

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<v Speaker 3>have taken Hutchinson, Own Muza, Riique, Josh Pascal, Ale McNeil,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's another one I think that's not even on

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<v Speaker 3>the team anymore. That slips my mind. They've taken a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of linemen under Dan Campbell.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Hutchinson worked out so far. That's part of

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<v Speaker 2>it is like actually hitting on these draft picks. The

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit Lions have been drafting top five for like seven

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<v Speaker 2>eons in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember the Lions. They get four games against the

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<v Speaker 1>Bears and the Vikings. Well maybe the Vikings will be

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<v Speaker 1>better on.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a Viking shade.

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<v Speaker 1>The defense was wretched lest team? All right? What else?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 4>From the Strength of Record podcast being popped for them here,

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<v Speaker 4>If the Packers draft a wide receiver out of spite,

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<v Speaker 4>is that what it takes for Rogers to get his

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<v Speaker 4>second ring? But with another team chip on his shoulder?

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<v Speaker 1>What is going on? Let's check out that wide receiver

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<v Speaker 1>room for it's pretty rough the Packers is that it

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<v Speaker 1>would be kind of ironic if Rogers is gone and

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<v Speaker 1>they use the first round pick.

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<v Speaker 3>And Dobbs are there one and two, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems is obviously gone now there too.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems insane, and they don't have a three Samari Tory,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they had two first round picks last year

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<v Speaker 1>in a great wide receiver class and they punted on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And now they're almost desperate for a wide receiver and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not seen as a great wide receiver class, so

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<v Speaker 1>of course they will probably take it. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>spiteful timers.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, if you suddenly are gonna roll with

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Love, which they are, like, you have to build,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the same thing with Aaron Rodgers, where you

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<v Speaker 2>trust him his smart's, his pre snap, et cetera, to

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<v Speaker 2>do it all for you. Look, Jordan Love needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be surrounded by human beings that can help them out.

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<v Speaker 3>They might be looking at the Graybeard's lineup and seeing

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<v Speaker 3>jar they need to bring in some veterans. They need

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<v Speaker 3>a tight end too, so I think they could take

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<v Speaker 3>the first tight end off the board at fourteen wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be totally shot.

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<v Speaker 1>And as for the strength of Record podcast theory here,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think there is some juice to get behind

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<v Speaker 1>about Rogers. All the great ones will find motivation and

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<v Speaker 1>try to stick it to the Packers this year. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's gonna be the Packers drafting a

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver that really is what gives them the eye

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<v Speaker 1>of the tiger though, So no, I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it. But check out the Strength of Record podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it? Horri five times a week? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. What is the Strength of Record? Pot?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it a podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>And look into it? I don't know, Okay, dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>This one comes from Robert's Burner. Going into last year,

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<v Speaker 4>it was the consensus view among analysts that Seattle had

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<v Speaker 4>one of the worst rosters in the league, a narrative

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<v Speaker 4>that proved totally wrong. Which team or teams with a

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<v Speaker 4>good draft class could exceed expectations in terms of roster

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<v Speaker 4>talent this year.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing that comes to mind is if they

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<v Speaker 2>go quarterback, which they're going to, and they get it

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<v Speaker 2>right and the quarterback plays right away. The Carolina Panthers,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they there's a lot of talent on both

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<v Speaker 2>sides of the ball, and you've got that Frank Reich

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<v Speaker 2>coaching boost. A lot of chaos has been put away,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think there's just they they've played without a

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback for ages.

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<v Speaker 1>Things could change.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that was a perfect choice. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if I can top it that. The Falcons I think

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<v Speaker 3>have chance the rest of the roster. They've just signed

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of okay guys. But the okay guys are

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<v Speaker 3>upgrades over what they have, and so I think they

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<v Speaker 3>are only a couple pieces away. They would be another one,

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<v Speaker 3>but I like the Panthers answer better.

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<v Speaker 1>I will throw out the Chicago Bears, who have can't

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot worse draft assets, and they have added

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<v Speaker 1>some bodies in there and justin fields, hopefully is fully healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think with a good draft class, they could be

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<v Speaker 1>a team that is in contention in that division. Potentially,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a wide open division. I think the NFC North

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<v Speaker 1>interesting division fields is the key and he needs help.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, more mailbag to hit. But let's pause for

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break. All right, we're back here we go.

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<v Speaker 4>This next question comes from Will Savage. Is the Colts

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<v Speaker 4>moving up to two or three? I guess to get

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<v Speaker 4>Stroud or Young a real possibility? Would the Texans be

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<v Speaker 4>willing to trade down? I'm assuming he means with the Colts.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't it feel like Jim Mersey has something up his sleeve?

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<v Speaker 1>You see tweet?

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<v Speaker 2>No, he basically said, we can move up, we can

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<v Speaker 2>move down, we can do what we can, sit right

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<v Speaker 2>where we are and get someone they're going after a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so what did that tweet? Actually? What was he saying?

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<v Speaker 3>He's saying, like, would the Texans actually trade down?

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<v Speaker 1>So what is jimers saying with that?

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<v Speaker 2>All options seem available to the Indianapolis cults in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of it, like what they'd be allowed license to go do?

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<v Speaker 1>Get crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>He also didn't he like he like sent out the

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<v Speaker 3>pictures of the different quarterback. It's yes, it's preposterous. I

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<v Speaker 3>like the theory. I think I saw it from Trevor U.

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<v Speaker 3>Sikama apologies if I pronounced it wrong from PFF who

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<v Speaker 3>thought the whole Texans like we're gonna not draft the

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback smoke screen is all about like getting someone else

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<v Speaker 3>to trade up to the number three spot. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 3>they end up actually taking a quarterback at the number

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<v Speaker 3>two spot and that leaves the Colts out in the

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<v Speaker 3>cold and not getting their quarterback. Which I like that

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<v Speaker 3>as theory because why why are the Texans putting it

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<v Speaker 3>out there so much that they're not going to take

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<v Speaker 3>a quarterback. Maybe it's the truth, but I don't trust anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they are absolutely letting national reporters know, like that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's their plan.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're gonna go to those extreme lengths just to

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<v Speaker 2>essentially pulling over on the Colts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so savage left.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it would just be like it's over the

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<v Speaker 2>commar how about Colts focus on yourselves and same with Texans.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I think the Colts come out of

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<v Speaker 1>this if they they gave Lamar Jackson the cold shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>To this point, have I think there's no way they

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<v Speaker 1>don't come out of this draft where they are right

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<v Speaker 1>now with somebody they really are feeling good about.

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<v Speaker 3>Kuld be will Levis. DJ keeps saying lot of teams

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<v Speaker 3>like Levis.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Next question from Matt Anderson actually another draft theory. Joe

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<v Speaker 4>Douglas can't be bothered to trade for Rogers as he's

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<v Speaker 4>tired of the Packers games. Instead, Douglas packages picks and

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<v Speaker 4>moves up to draft.

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<v Speaker 1>Will Levis thoughts, I did think, think about what if

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<v Speaker 1>there was more going on? Then then we realize is

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<v Speaker 1>it completely out of the realm of possibility that the

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<v Speaker 1>Jets pull a shocker and take a quarterback? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>a possibility? Probably not. We're probably too far down the

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<v Speaker 1>road here with Rogers for anything to happen. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, like we know Rogers is a short

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<v Speaker 1>term fixed too, Like we don't know even if he

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<v Speaker 1>is a Jet, how long he's gonna be there. I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't rule it out, but like I said on previous show,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be stunned if they do anything else but

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<v Speaker 1>take a offensive tackle on Night one.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if if you're Joe Douglas, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>like if this Rogers thing ever went south and there

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<v Speaker 2>was a plan B, Like that's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>received well no matter what. But like, if you're Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Douglas part two, the idea of drafting a rookie who

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<v Speaker 2>two months into the receias and you realize this guy

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<v Speaker 2>also is not working out a La Zachwitz, like, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't let you can't let you have to go get

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers because it's the one thing. Even if he

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<v Speaker 2>is substandard Aaron Rodgers, no one's gonna blame the Jets

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<v Speaker 2>for going having gone and done that, or Joe Douglas

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<v Speaker 2>for going and get it done.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate how quiet it's been. Actually, we would be

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<v Speaker 3>getting on Rogers saying he wants so much attention if

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<v Speaker 3>like they'd be keep being the drips and the drabs

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<v Speaker 3>over the last month. It's just been quietation. I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's one hundred percent a Jet, right, it's just happening.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be wild though they turned in that draft

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<v Speaker 1>card and it's a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>It'd be a great draft moment. I would be glad

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<v Speaker 3>to be on a live stream with you at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>just like, let's get the disc trade done Thursday night, though,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be cool because we're not doing a live

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<v Speaker 3>stream for rounds two and three, and uh, just think

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<v Speaker 3>about the content. Help us out.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about our content specifically.

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<v Speaker 2>We have done our Aaron Rodgers emergency podcast already though

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<v Speaker 2>that's been fine, so.

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<v Speaker 3>We did it. We did have a live stream of

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Sessler when Johnny Manzel uh forever was was drafted.

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<v Speaker 3>It was actually just like a video on a cell phone,

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<v Speaker 3>but it went on the end of depressing.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, quick speed round from Jeff Yeats with Joe Mixon's

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<v Speaker 4>off field and contract situations. How are the Bengals being

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<v Speaker 4>slept on for a destination for b John Robinson?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they'd have to trade up. I don't think they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get him there, And I think great are the.

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<v Speaker 3>Bengals right now twenty eight He's absolutely a Bengal if

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<v Speaker 3>he's on the board there, but I just don't think

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<v Speaker 3>he'll be on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>What if they moved up twenty eight to eighteen or something,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows. I love that that would be there'd be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of excited people in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 4>What else, Let's say the GM app is real, which

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<v Speaker 4>gms would have the hardest time actually using it, which

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<v Speaker 4>would have the.

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<v Speaker 2>Easiest Okay, I looked, I did see this, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking about this. I think Jerry Jones would struggle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but at various times, various times of the day. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he'd struggle for various reasons. I don't think Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Bill Belicher gets kind of cute, but he

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be good. But maybe he would be.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we've seen him struggle with cell phone and texting

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<v Speaker 3>and it led to a major lawsuit against the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, that's right, that's so tough. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>bad beat for Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many young gms that I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>vast majority would be absolutely fine with it.

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<v Speaker 1>We need a GM app, though. How much longer can

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<v Speaker 1>we deal with this?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think John Lynch super mobile. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>He just seems like he's not living in that world.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, keep going.

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<v Speaker 4>Justin all right? I think we have time for a

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<v Speaker 4>couple more only all right? From Johnny Eastgate Mark Sessler's

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<v Speaker 4>mock draft the highlight of any draft build up. When's

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<v Speaker 4>it gonna happen? I know we talked about this, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think Wednesday, Yeah, without fail?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, all right, last question from Sean Black for each

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<v Speaker 4>of the heroes, who's your guy in the.

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Who wants to start?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, So, on the episode where Claybahn and Colleen joined,

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<v Speaker 2>we each picked a draft our guy and it went

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<v Speaker 2>right through that There was there has been no grumbling

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<v Speaker 2>about the fact that it went right through all the

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<v Speaker 2>clearing house boards and all the executives. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>I picked Joey Porter Junior because I love the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of him going either to the Steelers where his father played,

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<v Speaker 2>or in a major chaotic scenario, going to like the

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Ravens or something where he goes to their number one rival.

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<v Speaker 2>I just was pointing out that it always annoyed me

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<v Speaker 2>as a younger Browns fan when the Browns who were

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<v Speaker 2>searching for any sense of identity or help passed on

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Clay Matthews Junior or everyone who passed on JJ Watt's brother.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, let's stop overthinking these things and picking like

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<v Speaker 2>the bloodlines.

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<v Speaker 1>We know we're going to succeed.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like a six to three, one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three pound defensive back who can hammer people.

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<v Speaker 1>Joey Porter Junior is my guy. Pro nepotism, neo baby.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, your guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I am saying, if you're gonna go down Nepo road, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>get it right, and this is one way to get

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<v Speaker 2>it right.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Greg, So many appens.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Anthony Richardson is the guy I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>the most excited to watch and rooting for, but that

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<v Speaker 3>he feels too top shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>To pick a You must got to go non quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>so I gotta yeh.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about our upcoming guest here, Mike Tanner and go

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<v Speaker 3>Taj Spears from Tulane, the running back who you can

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<v Speaker 3>just see placing him in there, and he's gonna fall

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<v Speaker 3>to the second or third round and then he's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have a Matt Forte like career. I know he's a

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<v Speaker 3>different player than forty, but excellent vision, the way he

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<v Speaker 3>can make people miss in small areas. He's good on

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<v Speaker 3>all three downs. He is a player, and he's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be repping the greenishly your guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's go to the Kicker Club. I like. I

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<v Speaker 1>like Eddie Ogamba out of South Dakota. He's got a

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<v Speaker 1>howitzer a little inconsistent though. Ty Zenner out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of TCU he had to pick does one year guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just narrowing it down. Here. We have Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>Cruz out of Old miss Very talented, he's got he's

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<v Speaker 1>got a big boot. Tanner Brown os u n last

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<v Speaker 1>year twenty two to twenty three, and he's split the

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<v Speaker 1>uprights from fifty three. But his leg's not huge. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you my three guys that I really

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<v Speaker 1>wrestled with here. Chad Ryland out of Maryland. Guy was

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<v Speaker 1>mister automatic last year, hit two fifty plus bombs against Michigan.

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:05.399
<v Speaker 1>He could be drafted. I like Christopher Done. A lot

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>of people say Christopher Done out of NC State. He's

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<v Speaker 1>your guy. He's the lou Graza winner. He's got a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of swagger which can go both ways. Monster leg.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit ninety six point six percent field goals. But my guy,

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<v Speaker 1>he's out of the U. Michigan's Jake Moody two times

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<v Speaker 1>lou Graza finalists. He has one win, hit a fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine yard field goal in the most recent college football playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>the longest ever sixty four percent touchback raid on one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred kickoffs. He was tremendous in the Shrine Bowl. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he is what they say. He could be a

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<v Speaker 1>fourth rounder on Saturday. Jake Moody is my guy bold

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<v Speaker 1>he is officially your guy. So that's it, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a break. You have any questions about the kicker.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a little surprise you went through like eight

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<v Speaker 3>different guys, Moody. Look when you hit a fifty nine

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<v Speaker 3>yarder in the college football semifinals, that's hands's material.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you will see him on Sundays. Let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a break and get to mister t Welcome back. Our

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<v Speaker 1>next guest is Mike Tannebaumb aka the real Tannan bomb

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<v Speaker 1>not verified, but nobody is anymore Ak the ESPN insider

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 1>aka former front office POOBA in New York and Miami.

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<v Speaker 1>And a man once said, it's been said of this

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<v Speaker 1>man that no one handles billionaires in conversation better than

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Mike Tannanbombo. And now he's on with us. Decidedly not billionaires,

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<v Speaker 1>but I still feel good about the combo. What's up, Mike.

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<v Speaker 5>It's something I've been called a lot. I never realized

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<v Speaker 5>I had that Moniker as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You've never heard that before, no, not?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's look, you you work for some powerful

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.919
<v Speaker 3>people back in the day, But now you're doing the

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 3>real fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Draft prep.

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<v Speaker 5>There's nothing like it. People say what it's like. It's

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 5>it's like an open book exam. You better know two

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<v Speaker 5>to three sentences and quickly get to your notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks Mike for joining us, and yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go in a few different directions here.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was curious, because of your experience in front offices,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of start here, what is for you the most

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<v Speaker 1>difficult position when it comes to player evaluation, Like, is

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<v Speaker 1>there a position in where it comes to game tape

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<v Speaker 1>in college where it's most likely to betray you at

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<v Speaker 1>the next level, Like what position makes you more nervous

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of studying in this process.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, look, the obvious would be quarterback for all the

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<v Speaker 5>reasons that you would think, but I would say receiver.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll give you somebody example, Kevin White. Kevin White was

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<v Speaker 5>misevaluated by a lot of people coming out just giving

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<v Speaker 5>his production. And then when you go back and do

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<v Speaker 5>the autopsy and look at things like rowtree and sort

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 5>of playbook, you know, that's when things become a little

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 5>bit more complex. So you really have to have a

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<v Speaker 5>deep dive and understand, you know, what's expected of the players,

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 5>what knowledge they need to have, how fast they can play,

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<v Speaker 5>their experience. There's a lot of things that go into

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<v Speaker 5>a level competition. And you know, he's just one of

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<v Speaker 5>many receivers that didn't work out for could have been

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<v Speaker 5>a number of reasons in Kevin's case in particular, but

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<v Speaker 5>he was some of that I liked a lot. He

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<v Speaker 5>didn't work out drafted high, and sometimes when you go

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<v Speaker 5>from varied offenses and some I think are the benefit

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 5>doubt cuts against them too much. And the inverse is

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<v Speaker 5>true too, where some receivers get pushed down because maybe

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't have production because of the system they were in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and lately it's like you can't get a receiver

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<v Speaker 3>pick wrong. They almost all we all seem to work out.

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<v Speaker 3>And this seems like a class where there's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a lot taken in the second and third round especially.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking about what you would be doing when you

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<v Speaker 3>were running the Jets and when you were running the

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Dolphins at this time in the process, like a week

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<v Speaker 3>before the draft, and what you think a team, specifically

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<v Speaker 3>the Texans are doing with these reports that come out

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<v Speaker 3>there to the point where it seems like it's intentional

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<v Speaker 3>that they're getting out there that they might not be

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<v Speaker 3>taking quarterbacks, Like, what do you think that's about? And

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<v Speaker 3>how are you laying the groundwork as a GM, as

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<v Speaker 3>a decision maker over the next week kind of leading

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<v Speaker 3>up to the draft.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, let me tell you guys a story because it's

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<v Speaker 5>a cliche, but I lived it and probably lived the

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<v Speaker 5>most dramatic moment in recent memory with the NFL Draft,

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<v Speaker 5>which is you really need to be prepared for everything.

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<v Speaker 5>And in the twenty sixteenth draft, the number one player

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<v Speaker 5>on our board was Laramie Tunsel and for a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of that draft go moving into that year, Tennessee had

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<v Speaker 5>the first pick and everyone thought Tunsil would be the

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<v Speaker 5>first pick. They need to tackle and let's move on.

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 5>We had a good not great left tackle at the

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 5>time in Brandon Albert and Chris Greer ore GM at

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 5>the time, who's still there to his credit. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>we went through the process of making sure that we

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<v Speaker 5>thoroughly researched Laramie and as we know, like he had

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<v Speaker 5>a bump in the road, and on draft day, like

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<v Speaker 5>in real time, it was an unbelievable drama. In the

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 5>back of my mind, I'm thinking, you know, like Baltimore

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 5>is going to need to tackle. They make a lot

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 5>of great decisions. I'm sure they're going to take him.

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<v Speaker 5>And when they took Ronnie Stanley and not Laramie, I

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 5>was like, gosh, Like I looked at Chris Greer, I

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 5>looked at Adam Gay Steve Ross our owner one of

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 5>my billionaire conversations, and said, hey, you know, we went

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 5>through this process. Matt Winston, who will be a GM

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 5>one day, was an area scout, went into Ole miss

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<v Speaker 5>in the fall when it was quiet, and lo and

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<v Speaker 5>behold there he is at thirteen, and you know, six

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<v Speaker 5>seven years later, he's still one of the best, if

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 5>not the best, left tackles football. So he answer your question, Greg,

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 5>like you really have to say, like, hey, if we're

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 5>picking it at in Houston's case too, and we trade

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.719
<v Speaker 5>back to seven, we better have seven players that we

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 5>are rock solid on because something crazy is going to happen,

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 5>and I don't know, is it Maybe Anthony Richardson going

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 5>before CJ. Stroud Like that would not shock me. I

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 5>would be surprised, but I wouldn't be shocked if that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, So you are in the world now.

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>When you were a general manager and everything was behind

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 2>closed doors, you were in a secret world. Now you

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>were having to put out mock drafts, and I know

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>that the element of your most recent mock draft, the

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Hendon Hooker to Seattle, turned absolutely drop draws, and like

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 2>people were just how can you do this?

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>How can you put them there? Like what I would?

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Dare you?

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 3>Frankly, Mike cow dare you?

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I love how much? Because I've listened to some of yourself.

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 2>How strong will you come out in favor of him?

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<v Speaker 2>And that he's a little bit lost in the mix

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 2>because of the knee injury, his age. You know, why

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 2>would Seattle do this? Why does it make sense? Explain

0:31:58.360 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>to me why you made this pick?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, making sure that you're telling about my feedback on

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 5>my mock draft, because there was nothing negative that I

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 5>saw on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I guess it's just a few things. You know,

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 2>when you when you lose that blue check markets, it

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 2>gets tough.

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 5>I paid for my blue check mark.

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Is that the kep he just assumes kept it breaking news?

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>My team coughed up the eight bucks or ESPN did

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>or someone I.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't know no ESPN did it, And I will say this,

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 5>I am not a billionaire and I spent eight dollars,

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 5>so both those things would be true. But you know,

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<v Speaker 5>for me, guys like you know you talk about like,

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 5>I will say like, I've seen receivers struggle sometimes again

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 5>with the transition, and obviously quarterbacks, there's a lot to

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 5>be said, and I've learned a lot, both highs and lows.

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 5>But when you fundamentally look at the biggest challenge, in

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 5>my opinion, with quarterbacks, it's experience. And there's nothing like

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 5>game experience for quarterbacks. Endon Hooker I started thirty seven

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 5>games and if he was healthy, guys, he may be

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 5>the first picking the draft. He has prototypical size, he

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 5>has a great arm, and I'm telling you he has

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 5>rare character. I saw it with my own eyes with

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 5>two different situations. One was the Orange Bowl. I'm on

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 5>the sidelines. I'm supposed to be scouting, you know, Tennessee.

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 5>In pregame, I am just kissing Peyton Manning's ass, trying

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 5>and get on the Manning cast. So I'm not and

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 5>I'm watching Hendon Hooker, who's not playing. He's in the

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 5>huddle with his teammates as passionate as he can be

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 5>in a very meaningful way. Fast forward three weeks later,

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 5>I'm covering the practices for the Senior Bowl. I'm on

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 5>the field, guys, and here's Hendon Hooker, who cannot play

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 5>in the game, in the huddle in a practice on

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 5>a Wednesday afternoon, amobile and I sit to him, like,

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 5>what in the world are you doing? Hendon? He's like, Hey,

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm just trying to help my teammates get better. And

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 5>somebody's like that vested, Like nobody would have blinked if

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.640
<v Speaker 5>he just left Tennessee went out to California with one

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 5>of those QB gurus, nobody would have held it against him.

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 5>But here's a guy that was vested at Tennessee despite transferring.

0:33:58.040 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 5>Here's a guy that was at the Senior Bowl at

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 5>every rep like, that's who I want to be my

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 5>battlefield commander. And then when you throw on the fact

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 5>that he led the nation in yours per pass attempt

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:12.320
<v Speaker 5>and I pushed back on the notion of Tennessee's offense

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 5>and how you know, four wide and how quick they were.

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 5>I understand there's gonna be some challenges in the transition,

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 5>but if he goes to Seattle at let's say five.

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 5>They did a wonderful job of extending Gino Smith. There

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 5>are some outs on the contract, and I just think

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.720
<v Speaker 5>the old action guys of win for today and develop

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 5>tomorrow pits really perfectly between Geno Smith and Hendon Hooker.

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you've got him as your top quarterback overall,

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 3>so it's not just you think he would fit well

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 3>in Seattle. You think he's going to be the best

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 3>player at the position in five years. You have Bryce

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 3>young Necks and richardson third, then Stroud and love Us.

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:52.280
<v Speaker 3>That is bod, that's your guy, Mike. Hendon Hooker's career

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.800
<v Speaker 3>and your career is now. It's together. Everyone's going to

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 3>think of you. When they think of Hendon Hooker, you

0:34:58.480 --> 0:34:59.879
<v Speaker 3>have to get a tattoo on your bic.

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 5>How do you know.

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't have them prove it.

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 5>But look, you know you have to look at talent

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.879
<v Speaker 5>and character, and I think he has both. I don't

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 5>see any holes in his game. I do wish sometimes

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 5>offensively they stress him more, which they just don't. But

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 5>he's an underrated athlete. The age doesn't bother me. The

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 5>experience is a factor in a positive way, and I

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 5>just think when it's all said and done over the

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 5>next five years. While I love Bryce Young and his

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 5>foot quickness and well how quickly he plays guys like,

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 5>the statistics are against Bryce Young. Like if we were

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.720
<v Speaker 5>running an insurance company and we had a bet based

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.839
<v Speaker 5>on data, the data is against Bryce Young. I think

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 5>he'll be an exception. But that's why I would give

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 5>the benefit of doubt to Hendon Hooker over brys Young.

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 1>It's not always the buzziest pick for the especially fan

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>bases that wait all you know for months ahead of

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 1>the draft, and then Thursday night comes and then you

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>grab that offensive lineman in the draft. But at the

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 1>same time, people who knows these winners are built in

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>the trench is Peter Skoronsky at a Northwestern who's a

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>big time player. The belief amongst some people is that

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.720
<v Speaker 1>he could be a Canton level player if everything clicked.

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Are you that high on him? Do you see him

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 1>head and shoulders above the rest of the linemen that

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:17.760
<v Speaker 1>are expected to go high in this draft?

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 5>I like him a lot. I don't know if he's

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 5>quitting Nelson, but I think he's rock solid and if

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm the Bears. I think he's a force multiplier. I

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 5>plug him in. I started at guard. Ironically, going back

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 5>to Tunsel, you know, we put Laramie at left guard

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 5>for a year, and candidly that was an ideal, Like

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 5>he was a little uncomfortable at first, but he slid

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:36.759
<v Speaker 5>out to left tackle a year later in the rest

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 5>of history, and I think, you know, they could certainly

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 5>do the same thing in Chicago. I think he has

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 5>a really really high floor. You know, there's a lot

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 5>about his arm length, but he's very functional, he's very strong,

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 5>he's tough, so to me, I don't think there's a

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 5>lot of downside. And when you're the Bears, like, let's

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.440
<v Speaker 5>see justin fields with a really good offensive line this

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 5>and I think there's no better example today than the

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 5>Eagles book. Jalen Hurts has great talent, great character. He's

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 5>a markedly marked improved player, but I think part of

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 5>that is the offensive line that he's playing behind.

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 2>All Right, So when your career began way back when

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 2>it was Bill Belichick, who I believe he read a

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 2>book that you tried to publish about football scouting, etc.

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 2>And decided to hire you. Way back when so you

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 2>understand Bill bell.

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>A on Wait, why did he read it if it

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.320
<v Speaker 1>wasn't published. Well, it was so many questions.

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 2>You could explain that you got copies to people. Did

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:33.479
<v Speaker 2>not Bill Belichick read something that you wrote?

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Is that correct?

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 5>That is correct? So I actually put out it was

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:42.280
<v Speaker 5>sixty books that I sent to every head coach in GM. Yeah,

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 5>Greg Rosenthal University's law school. I was at Tulane. I

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 5>was an unpaid intern for the Saints, and I was

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 5>very lucky, guys. The first year and a half that

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:54.319
<v Speaker 5>I was in the NFL, I was an unpaid intern.

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 5>The salary cap came in. I just took notes and

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 5>sort of had observations about how to build a team

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.360
<v Speaker 5>in the salary cap era. I got fifty nine rejection letters,

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 5>and Mike Lombardi and Bill Belichick hired me in Cleveland

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 5>for the ninety five season, and I still have all

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.760
<v Speaker 5>the other rejection letters. I still have, like my original binder.

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:16.439
<v Speaker 5>As embarrassing as some of my thoughts were, I think

0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 5>what Coach Belichick though, was what's interesting wasn't the fact

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.400
<v Speaker 5>that he hired me, was the fact that he hired

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 5>somebody that he thought should give them a competitive advantage,

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 5>knowing that the salary cap was going to be an

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 5>important part of team building.

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 2>And I love that. I love that backstory. And you

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 2>were there just a couple of years after Bill Belichick

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 2>parted ways with Bernie Kozar, which set the city on fire.

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you go to New England right now and

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 2>it just feels like the energy between Bill Belichick and

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Mac Jones has been off for a year plus. We

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:46.439
<v Speaker 2>all know what happened last offseason. Today as we talk

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.880
<v Speaker 2>to you, Well Levis is in there visiting. There just

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 2>seems to be interest potentially that New England would look

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>for a different solution to quarterback. Do you think that

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 2>they're knowing what you do about Belichick? Is there a

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 2>possibility that there's levers being pulled year in a month

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>from now. Matt Jones is just somewhere else.

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 5>Yes, And I would not do that if I was them,

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 5>but Coach Belichick would absolutely. He is beholden to one

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 5>thing in his mind, the absolute truth. The standards are

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:16.959
<v Speaker 5>the standards, and the best players will play. I think

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.839
<v Speaker 5>Mac Jones is a good NFL quarterback. Look, we could

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 5>argue if he's top ten or sixteen, but he's a

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.239
<v Speaker 5>good player. He took his team to the playoffs in

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 5>year one, which is hard to do. And look, I

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 5>don't think there's a super high ceiling, but I don't

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 5>think this team is as far away. They have a

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 5>great defense. Their offensive line, in my opinion, isn't what

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 5>it once was on the Dante Scarnikia. But if they

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 5>can get maybe another weapon or two people that can run.

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 5>I don't think Smith Schuster changes what they are on offense.

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:50.920
<v Speaker 5>I still think they're pedestrian. If they can fix that

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 5>the offensive line and hopefully another weapon, I think they

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 5>could be right in the mix as one of the

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 5>seven best teams in the AFC.

0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.280
<v Speaker 3>Man, how would they even do that? That's a tricky

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 3>one because if if you can't get them traded and

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 3>then he's your presumptive starting quarterback, you have to manage that.

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking back when the Jets once went after Peyton

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Manning and then Mark Sanchez was still there, Like it's

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 3>a lot. What do you think, Mac Jones, I've been

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 3>surprised even thinking about this, But what do you think

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:17.719
<v Speaker 3>he would cost?

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 5>Like?

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 3>What would you give up if you were a team

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 3>that needed a quarterback right now? Would what do you

0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:24.799
<v Speaker 3>think mac Jones could could get for you.

0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:27.360
<v Speaker 5>Probably a second or a third round pick. You know,

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 5>he's a solid quarterback. And again, like context is everything here, guys,

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 5>if you don't have a quarterback, mac Jones looks really good. Now.

0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 5>I think what he falls behind is I don't see

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 5>the athleticism that all the other quarterbacks that are playing

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 5>at a high level in the AFC. Like, let's put

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:45.240
<v Speaker 5>two aside because the injuries. But when you talk about

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 5>Josh Allen presumptively, Aaron Rodgers, Burrow, Mahomes Herbert, it's just,

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:54.319
<v Speaker 5>you know, Lamar, it's just one after the other. These

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 5>guys are young, they're athletic, and they can really stress

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 5>the defense because not what they could just do with

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:00.959
<v Speaker 5>their arm, but with their feet. And that's what's missing

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.359
<v Speaker 5>in mac Jones's game. Now, with that said, I think

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 5>they go twelve personnel with Hunter, Henry and Giseki and

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 5>that could make a big difference. And ramondre Stevenson, to me,

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 5>is isn't a really effective runner. So what they're missing

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 5>is maybe one more player that's fast, one more really

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 5>solid offensive lineman, and then I could I think they

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.560
<v Speaker 5>could win a whole bunch of games. But I don't

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.359
<v Speaker 5>think this is helping Mac Jones, you know. I think

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:26.880
<v Speaker 5>what's hard for them is this guy's There was a

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 5>lot of things that were really special about Tom Brady,

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 5>that's obvious, but part of it is like rare mental

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 5>toughness and resilience in the formulative years of his career,

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 5>and Mac Jones may not just have those like superpowers,

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 5>And somebody in his ecosystem is saying like, hey, did

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 5>you see this rumor? In that rumor and you know,

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 5>we all say the same thing in this industry, like oh,

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 5>we don't read anything, and it doesn't bother Like, you know,

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.279
<v Speaker 5>that's bullshit, Like everyone reads everything, and I'm sure it

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 5>does impact them. So but knowing Bill b I don't

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 5>think that would That's not going to stop him from

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 5>doing what he thinks right for his team.

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to go above the tree tops again here, Mike,

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:08.920
<v Speaker 1>because somebody has, you know, such experience running front offices.

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 1>How do let's call them external factors affect your decision making? Potentially,

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 1>if you're a GM who knows you're in a position

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.879
<v Speaker 1>where it's kind of a playoff or bust year, does

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that make you potentially more aggressive? To take a big swing,

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>or would that maybe put you in a position to

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>go a little more meat and potatoes and be a

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 1>little more conservative, Like you've been on both sides of it,

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Like does it change as it's human nature, does it

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 1>change how you approach a draft, your personal job security

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 1>within an organization?

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Look, it's a totally fair question. Look I was

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 5>able to do for a long time over twenty years,

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 5>and what really served me well was like, what's always

0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 5>best for the organization and if we sort of use

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 5>that as a grounded ten pole as we make decisions, like,

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 5>that's going to lead to more right decisions than wrong.

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 5>And you hope that you know, your boss beats Steve

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:01.720
<v Speaker 5>rosswe Johnson, who else isn't going to make a decision.

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 5>I'll come determinative on any one pick and that typically

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 5>will lead you to the right decisions. And candidly, like,

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 5>it's other people you're worried about more so than yourself.

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of people whose you know, families and

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 5>kids and jobs like depend on the performance of the organization,

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 5>and I always worried more about them than myself and

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 5>always thought like, if we just bring really good players

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 5>that are high character that love football. We'll get more

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 5>decisions right than wrong, and usually that took care of itself.

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Fair You drafted Durell Reeves once. Do you have a

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 3>cornerback in this draft that you like the most?

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 5>Devin Withers Well, it's funny. There's one in one a

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 5>here like Witherspoon is a lot like Antoine Winfield senior.

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:47.279
<v Speaker 5>And I hate saying that because it makes me feel

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 5>so old, but Antoine Winfield was one of my favorite players,

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 5>like the late great John Butler. When they drafted Antoine

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 5>Winfield at the Bills, I saw him at a game.

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, man, that was a great pick. He's like, well,

0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:00.799
<v Speaker 5>we only drafted him to cover Corbette. I was like, oh, man,

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:06.839
<v Speaker 5>that hurts. And when you look at Witherspoon, he's from

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:10.719
<v Speaker 5>the Panhandle, wasn't highly recruited, has a massive chip on

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 5>his shoulder, and he's playing linebacker in a corner body like.

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 5>He loves to tackle, he loves to run support. Christian

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 5>Gonzales was, you know, a Colorado transfer to Oregon, and

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<v Speaker 5>he has more of an elegance about him and he's

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<v Speaker 5>a great, great athlete with great hips. Isn't the physical

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<v Speaker 5>player that Witherspoon is, but I think they'll both play

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<v Speaker 5>for a long time. But like a guy like Witherspoon

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<v Speaker 5>to me, like, I don't think he'll make it this hard,

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<v Speaker 5>but like I think he is a Pittsburgh Steeler because

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<v Speaker 5>I think he's tougher than tough and I just see

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<v Speaker 5>him like thriving with a guy like Mike Tomlin.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder where you come in on the running back thing,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think about the two thousand and nine Jets

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<v Speaker 2>and how you guys just went as far as you

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<v Speaker 2>did by hammering people in cold weather, completely destroying their will.

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:56.360
<v Speaker 2>And there's someone like Bijon Robbinson sitting out there and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, it's a running back and you might

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<v Speaker 2>only get four or five great years out of this

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<v Speaker 2>great player. Well, that sounds like a pretty good first

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 2>round pick relatively speaking to begin with. But how high, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>depending where you were, how high would you say this

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<v Speaker 2>is our guy and I'll defend it till the end?

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<v Speaker 1>How high in the first round?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know what's really interesting. I had a chance

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<v Speaker 5>to sit down with Tom A. Herman a couple of

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<v Speaker 5>weeks ago. He he's now the head coach at Fau

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<v Speaker 5>in Boca Ratone and told me a really interesting story.

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 5>He said, you know, as a play caller, if we

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<v Speaker 5>thought that there was an AutoMac check at Texas where

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<v Speaker 5>if he was in the slot and they thought was bantamn,

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<v Speaker 5>like that's where they were going, there was nobody that

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<v Speaker 5>could cover him one on one. And I think what's

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<v Speaker 5>like a little unfair for Bijon is like you almost

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<v Speaker 5>hate this, say, guys, but like there's almost a stigma

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<v Speaker 5>of like, oh, you play running back, and if you

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<v Speaker 5>take like the position off of him and think of

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 5>him as an offensive weapon, he's one of the clearly

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<v Speaker 5>ten to twelve best football players in this draft. So

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<v Speaker 5>to me, if you have like a plan for him,

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<v Speaker 5>especially out of the backfield, a little bit like a McCaffrey,

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<v Speaker 5>a Kamaratite, I think he's a top five player. And

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<v Speaker 5>there's a couple of teams like Buffalo and Dallas in particular,

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<v Speaker 5>two teams like I'm really curious, like do they maybe

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<v Speaker 5>try a trade up for him, because I think those

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.840
<v Speaker 5>are two teams that would really benefit with his skills

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<v Speaker 5>not just running the ball, guys, Like again, like you

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 5>see it on tape, but boy like talking to Tom Herman,

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 5>guys like it's amazing, like confidence they had him as

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<v Speaker 5>a route runner and his hands and his ability to

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<v Speaker 5>adjust to the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike, thank you so much for joining us. Before we

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<v Speaker 1>let you go, I'd want to ask you something non

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<v Speaker 1>draft related. The old heads, No, the ogs that have

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<v Speaker 1>been following the Hard Knocks franchise for years know that

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>it's very difficult to top the twenty ten Jets hard

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Knock season. Shout out Roscoe Diner, shout out might T

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to catch as many punts as he could in

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 1>his arms. Where you come down on these teams being

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<v Speaker 1>so openly out on hard Knocks, I'll point out Bears

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<v Speaker 1>CEO George McCaskey, who kind of went out of his

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<v Speaker 1>way to say, don't pick us. Did you find it

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<v Speaker 1>to be some thing that was a legitimate distraction or

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>is this just these teams are getting there? Tidy Whitey's

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<v Speaker 1>in a bunch for no reason.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd say, both, guys. So let me tell you a story.

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<v Speaker 5>We were like a finalist for the nine year and

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:15.040
<v Speaker 5>I was like no, no, no, no, no, we're not

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:17.720
<v Speaker 5>doing this, and everybody else wanted to do it except

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 5>for me. And then after like to think about for

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<v Speaker 5>quite a while, guys, Ozzie knew some who have a

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:25.719
<v Speaker 5>ton of respect for a long time GM of the

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:29.440
<v Speaker 5>Ravens and great player. He made a really interesting comment.

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.799
<v Speaker 5>He talked about how they got better practices because when

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:35.799
<v Speaker 5>players know that the cameras are on them, actually get

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:39.799
<v Speaker 5>better efforts. And that really like changed my opinion of it.

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 5>And then NFL films, you know, the institution, guys, is

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:45.880
<v Speaker 5>just a really really special Like when they talk about

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:48.920
<v Speaker 5>like confidentiality and you know things won't get out that

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:52.080
<v Speaker 5>are going to embarrass you, they really mean it. So

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.360
<v Speaker 5>it was tremendous for our franchise. We obviously had a

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 5>great year, went to the championship game despite me losing hair,

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 5>gaining weight, dropping punts, not saying our best player. You know,

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:02.880
<v Speaker 5>beyond that, it was really.

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<v Speaker 1>Good, very good. You did get it done. That in fact,

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:10.799
<v Speaker 1>the greatest ending to any Hard Knocks season. And as

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.359
<v Speaker 1>a Jets fan, this this might seem biased, but it's

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Darrell Reeves coming on to the practice field with the

0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:20.239
<v Speaker 1>teammates mobbing him after that saga that played out, and

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Mike t got it done and he continues to get

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it done, just in a different capacity. Thank you, mister

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:26.719
<v Speaker 1>t Thanks Mike.

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 5>Thank you, thanks so much. Guys really appreciate it.

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 1>All right there he goes, yeah, George McCaskey. The quote was,

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 1>there are a number of teams that have compelling stories

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:41.839
<v Speaker 1>to tell on hard knocks, And then a reporter asks

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 1>that are not the Bears and he said, thirty one others.

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is. I don't get it.

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.879
<v Speaker 1>He needs more juice than the Bears come at.

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Least half the teams around the league could use. I

0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.359
<v Speaker 2>typically look at like I think things can go south

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 2>because I can think of like the Hugh Jackson scenario

0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:02.000
<v Speaker 2>where him in a room or bossing his other assistance

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:03.759
<v Speaker 2>around look bad and it's stuck with him.

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>But in general, like how most of what comes.

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Out about these teams is positive stories and getting to

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:12.320
<v Speaker 2>know people better, and like you, you can't hide stuff

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:15.720
<v Speaker 2>now anyways, why not like go and have NFL films

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<v Speaker 2>do the best job to can with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It's almost seems like like a lack of confidence, like, yeah,

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.400
<v Speaker 3>we're so afraid that like they're going to expose that

0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 3>we're actually just there's nothing behind the curtain. How about

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:28.239
<v Speaker 3>be like the lions, and you're proud of who you are,

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<v Speaker 3>and America falls in love with you.

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 1>And I love that Ozzie theory. That's I think he

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>one hundred cameras watching, and you could be the focus

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 1>of a segment. You're probably gonna bust your ass just

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:40.799
<v Speaker 1>that much harder, just how humans work a little bit,

0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I think, I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>And to Mike's point about them relatively from them taking

0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:48.759
<v Speaker 3>care of you ultimately, m I mean, they were just

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:51.360
<v Speaker 3>following the Cardinals every week during.

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh they protected the card one of the.

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Most disastrous seasons anyone's haden will I wish we had

0:49:58.040 --> 0:49:59.960
<v Speaker 3>made it through an episode without bagging on the Cardinals.

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, But all I mean is like, actually I

0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 3>watched most of those and I did see some positive

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:07.920
<v Speaker 3>things out of the Cardinals that were genuine, and I

0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.160
<v Speaker 3>thought higher of some of the people in that building

0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:12.080
<v Speaker 3>because of that. And yeah, there was other stuff on

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<v Speaker 3>that side.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we visiting the Cardinals?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm advance, Joseph uh oh not again, gosh, tough sitch

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:30.920
<v Speaker 6>not good for birds.

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<v Speaker 1>Not good, not good? All right, So another week in

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 1>the books for around the NFL. Next time you hear

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.279
<v Speaker 1>from us, it will be Draft Week. What do we

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 1>got coming up? We got a show on Monday. We

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 1>haven't figured that one out yet, but we will. Wednesday

0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:53.880
<v Speaker 1>we got figured out. It's the Mark Sessler Mock Draft,

0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:57.480
<v Speaker 1>eagerly awaited. And also I guess, well, are we going

0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:02.800
<v Speaker 1>to roll out the graver mock competition as well? I

0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know. We'll have to figure that. We'll figure that out.

0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Could have dueling days, but I would I would invite

0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.720
<v Speaker 2>him to come. I'm not unlike the mccaskey's and the Bears.

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 2>I invite the competition in the camaraderie.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good. I love that outlook on things. Thursday, we

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<v Speaker 1>got you a double header of goodness. We have the

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<v Speaker 1>first ever live stream of Round one of the draft,

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:24.279
<v Speaker 1>and immediately following that, we'll come to this studio right

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 1>here and record the Round one recap. And then after

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:33.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, we reset on Friday tracking the draft as

0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 1>we do. Saturday night, we recap the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>draft and any other big thoughts on the league that

0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:42.360
<v Speaker 1>is the NFL.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you've said it, little winners and losers usually

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:46.840
<v Speaker 3>on that set.

0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:48.840
<v Speaker 1>You usually do that. We hit those winners and losers,

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<v Speaker 1>all right? Anything else?

0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:52.000
<v Speaker 3>I like your new shirt.

0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:54.560
<v Speaker 1>You know there's a golf shirt. Took this golf in

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<v Speaker 1>it Vegas with the buddies.

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Fancy.

0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:00.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like Aqua Military. Nice. Check us out on Aqua Camel.

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<v Speaker 1>He the call