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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast still thinks they could pass

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Speaker 1: for college students from the Chris Wesley podcast to do.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who is claiming that in this room.

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Speaker 2: Was that the consistent like angry agism theme coming from.

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Speaker 1: It's Around the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Secler. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mark went to Coachella? What of it?

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Speaker 2: Why is it made such a tremendous deal of I

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Speaker 2: don't know. It seems like someone else has issues with

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Speaker 2: it's my moved on, It's now?

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Speaker 1: Was it Thursday? It's Thursday.

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Speaker 3: The most surprising thing about it was you are a

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Speaker 3: self admitted not a music guy. Yeah, but he was

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Speaker 3: the only surprising. Well, first of all, that's I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: That's that's an over explanation.

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Speaker 2: That's off base. Like I do like tons of music.

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Speaker 2: I went there and found new stuff that I liked,

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Speaker 2: but there's about seven thousand other things that you can

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Speaker 1: That's the taste? Who's they?

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Speaker 2: And I came back here with all these production elements

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what what's going on? What's going behind the scenes?

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Speaker 1: Who propelled you to to to go down that road? Justin?

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Speaker 4: I didn't write that drop, but I did receive it

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Speaker 4: that it made sense to be you know, you would imagine.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine that not all layers of the pre

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Speaker 1: The narrative, the narrative was in place, you're saying, Justin,

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Speaker 1: and you were just extending the narrative right the through

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Speaker 4: I always try to find story line, a zum drop

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Speaker 3: And I think that's just good producing. You know what

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Speaker 3: We should do the seven thousand things at Coachella and

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Speaker 1: And I think any writers behind the scenes might have

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Speaker 1: there had been as I understand it, this was a

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Speaker 4: And Mark, absolutely, I would love to. So we're going

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Speaker 1: One more draft coverage. Mike Tannenbaum, former front office GM

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Speaker 1: I like that one, very good Yako. This man is

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Speaker 3: For twenty bro twenty brouh to our really high damn

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Speaker 1: Often Anthony Richardson polarizing, tantilizing draft prospect out of the

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Speaker 2: My first instinct is enough with this jazz about the

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Speaker 1: You could do a Bengo card. You really could sleep

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Speaker 3: Intangibles is annoying because like intangibles could mean literally anything

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Speaker 1: What is it? Horri five times a week? Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Is it a podcast?

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Speaker 1: And look into it? I don't know, Okay, dangerous.

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Speaker 4: This one comes from Robert's Burner. Going into last year,

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Speaker 2: The first thing that comes to mind is if they

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Speaker 3: I think that was a perfect choice. I don't know

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Speaker 1: I will throw out the Chicago Bears, who have can't

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Speaker 4: This next question comes from Will Savage. Is the Colts

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Speaker 2: All options seem available to the Indianapolis cults in terms

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Speaker 2: So they're gonna go to those extreme lengths just to

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Speaker 3: Kuld be will Levis. DJ keeps saying lot of teams

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Speaker 1: Will Levis thoughts, I did think, think about what if

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Speaker 2: I mean, if if you're Joe Douglas, first of all,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate how quiet it's been. Actually, we would be

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Speaker 3: It'd be a great draft moment. I would be glad

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Speaker 1: Think about our content specifically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 2: Well, they'd have to trade up. I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: going to get him there, And I think great are the.

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Speaker 3: Bengals right now twenty eight He's absolutely a Bengal if

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Speaker 3: he's on the board there, but I just don't think

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Speaker 3: he'll be on the board.

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Speaker 1: What if they moved up twenty eight to eighteen or something,

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Speaker 1: who knows. I love that that would be there'd be

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Speaker 1: a lot of excited people in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: What else, Let's say the GM app is real, which

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Speaker 4: gms would have the hardest time actually using it, which

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Speaker 4: would have the.

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Speaker 2: Easiest Okay, I looked, I did see this, and I

451
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Speaker 2: was thinking about this. I think Jerry Jones would struggle. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but at various times, various times of the day. I

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Speaker 2: think he'd struggle for various reasons. I don't think Bill.

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Speaker 2: I think Bill Belicher gets kind of cute, but he

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be good. But maybe he would be.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've seen him struggle with cell phone and texting

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Speaker 3: and it led to a major lawsuit against the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You're right, that's right, that's so tough. That was a

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Speaker 1: bad beat for Bill.

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Speaker 2: There's so many young gms that I think that the

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Speaker 2: vast majority would be absolutely fine with it.

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Speaker 1: We need a GM app, though. How much longer can

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Speaker 1: we deal with this?

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Speaker 3: I don't think John Lynch super mobile. I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: He just seems like he's not living in that world.

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Speaker 1: All right, keep going.

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Speaker 4: Justin all right? I think we have time for a

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Speaker 4: couple more only all right? From Johnny Eastgate Mark Sessler's

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Speaker 4: mock draft the highlight of any draft build up. When's

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Speaker 4: it gonna happen? I know we talked about this, but I.

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Speaker 1: Think Wednesday, Yeah, without fail?

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Speaker 4: Yes, all right, last question from Sean Black for each

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Speaker 4: of the heroes, who's your guy in the.

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Speaker 1: All right? Who wants to start?

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Speaker 2: Well, So, on the episode where Claybahn and Colleen joined,

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Speaker 2: we each picked a draft our guy and it went

478
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Speaker 2: right through that There was there has been no grumbling

479
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Speaker 2: about the fact that it went right through all the

480
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Speaker 2: clearing house boards and all the executives. Do you think

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Speaker 2: I picked Joey Porter Junior because I love the idea

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Speaker 2: of him going either to the Steelers where his father played,

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Speaker 2: or in a major chaotic scenario, going to like the

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Speaker 2: Ravens or something where he goes to their number one rival.

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Speaker 2: I just was pointing out that it always annoyed me

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Speaker 2: as a younger Browns fan when the Browns who were

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Speaker 2: searching for any sense of identity or help passed on

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Speaker 2: Clay Matthews Junior or everyone who passed on JJ Watt's brother.

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Speaker 2: It's like, let's stop overthinking these things and picking like

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Speaker 2: the bloodlines.

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Speaker 1: We know we're going to succeed.

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Speaker 2: This is like a six to three, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: ninety three pound defensive back who can hammer people.

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Speaker 1: Joey Porter Junior is my guy. Pro nepotism, neo baby.

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Speaker 1: In this case, your guy.

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Speaker 2: I am saying, if you're gonna go down Nepo road, yeah,

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Speaker 2: get it right, and this is one way to get

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Speaker 2: it right.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Greg, So many appens.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Anthony Richardson is the guy I'm gonna be

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Speaker 3: the most excited to watch and rooting for, but that

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Speaker 3: he feels too top shelf.

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Speaker 1: To pick a You must got to go non quarter,

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Speaker 1: so I gotta yeh.

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Speaker 3: Think about our upcoming guest here, Mike Tanner and go

506
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Speaker 3: Taj Spears from Tulane, the running back who you can

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Speaker 3: just see placing him in there, and he's gonna fall

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Speaker 3: to the second or third round and then he's gonna

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Speaker 3: have a Matt Forte like career. I know he's a

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Speaker 3: different player than forty, but excellent vision, the way he

511
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Speaker 3: can make people miss in small areas. He's good on

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Speaker 3: all three downs. He is a player, and he's gonna

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Speaker 3: be repping the greenishly your guy.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's go to the Kicker Club. I like. I

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Speaker 1: like Eddie Ogamba out of South Dakota. He's got a

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Speaker 1: howitzer a little inconsistent though. Ty Zenner out.

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Speaker 3: Of TCU he had to pick does one year guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just narrowing it down. Here. We have Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Cruz out of Old miss Very talented, he's got he's

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Speaker 1: got a big boot. Tanner Brown os u n last

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Speaker 1: year twenty two to twenty three, and he's split the

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Speaker 1: uprights from fifty three. But his leg's not huge. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you my three guys that I really

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Speaker 1: wrestled with here. Chad Ryland out of Maryland. Guy was

525
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Speaker 1: mister automatic last year, hit two fifty plus bombs against Michigan.

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Speaker 1: He could be drafted. I like Christopher Done. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people say Christopher Done out of NC State. He's

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Speaker 1: your guy. He's the lou Graza winner. He's got a

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Speaker 1: ton of swagger which can go both ways. Monster leg.

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Speaker 1: Hit ninety six point six percent field goals. But my guy,

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Speaker 1: he's out of the U. Michigan's Jake Moody two times

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Speaker 1: lou Graza finalists. He has one win, hit a fifty

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Speaker 1: nine yard field goal in the most recent college football playoffs,

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Speaker 1: the longest ever sixty four percent touchback raid on one

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Speaker 1: hundred kickoffs. He was tremendous in the Shrine Bowl. I

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Speaker 1: think he is what they say. He could be a

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Speaker 1: fourth rounder on Saturday. Jake Moody is my guy bold

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Speaker 1: he is officially your guy. So that's it, all right,

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Speaker 1: Let's take a break. You have any questions about the kicker.

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Speaker 3: I was a little surprise you went through like eight

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Speaker 3: different guys, Moody. Look when you hit a fifty nine

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Speaker 3: yarder in the college football semifinals, that's hands's material.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you will see him on Sundays. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a break and get to mister t Welcome back. Our

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Speaker 1: next guest is Mike Tannebaumb aka the real Tannan bomb

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Speaker 1: not verified, but nobody is anymore Ak the ESPN insider

547
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Speaker 1: aka former front office POOBA in New York and Miami.

548
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Speaker 1: And a man once said, it's been said of this

549
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Speaker 1: man that no one handles billionaires in conversation better than

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Speaker 1: Mike Tannanbombo. And now he's on with us. Decidedly not billionaires,

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Speaker 1: but I still feel good about the combo. What's up, Mike.

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Speaker 5: It's something I've been called a lot. I never realized

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Speaker 5: I had that Moniker as well.

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Speaker 1: You've never heard that before, no, not?

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Speaker 3: I mean that's look, you you work for some powerful

556
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Speaker 3: people back in the day, But now you're doing the

557
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Speaker 3: real fun stuff.

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Speaker 1: Draft prep.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing like it. People say what it's like. It's

560
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 5: it's like an open book exam. You better know two

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Speaker 5: to three sentences and quickly get to your notes.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks Mike for joining us, and yeah, I guess

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Speaker 1: we're going to go in a few different directions here.

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Speaker 1: But I was curious, because of your experience in front offices,

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Speaker 1: kind of start here, what is for you the most

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Speaker 1: difficult position when it comes to player evaluation, Like, is

567
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Speaker 1: there a position in where it comes to game tape

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Speaker 1: in college where it's most likely to betray you at

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Speaker 1: the next level, Like what position makes you more nervous

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Speaker 1: in terms of studying in this process.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, the obvious would be quarterback for all the

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Speaker 5: reasons that you would think, but I would say receiver.

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Speaker 5: I'll give you somebody example, Kevin White. Kevin White was

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Speaker 5: misevaluated by a lot of people coming out just giving

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Speaker 5: his production. And then when you go back and do

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Speaker 5: the autopsy and look at things like rowtree and sort

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Speaker 5: of playbook, you know, that's when things become a little

578
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Speaker 5: bit more complex. So you really have to have a

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Speaker 5: deep dive and understand, you know, what's expected of the players,

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Speaker 5: what knowledge they need to have, how fast they can play,

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Speaker 5: their experience. There's a lot of things that go into

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Speaker 5: a level competition. And you know, he's just one of

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Speaker 5: many receivers that didn't work out for could have been

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Speaker 5: a number of reasons in Kevin's case in particular, but

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Speaker 5: he was some of that I liked a lot. He

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Speaker 5: didn't work out drafted high, and sometimes when you go

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Speaker 5: from varied offenses and some I think are the benefit

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Speaker 5: doubt cuts against them too much. And the inverse is

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Speaker 5: true too, where some receivers get pushed down because maybe

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Speaker 5: they didn't have production because of the system they were in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and lately it's like you can't get a receiver

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Speaker 3: pick wrong. They almost all we all seem to work out.

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Speaker 3: And this seems like a class where there's going to

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Speaker 3: be a lot taken in the second and third round especially.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about what you would be doing when you

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Speaker 3: were running the Jets and when you were running the

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Speaker 3: Dolphins at this time in the process, like a week

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Speaker 3: before the draft, and what you think a team, specifically

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Speaker 3: the Texans are doing with these reports that come out

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Speaker 3: there to the point where it seems like it's intentional

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Speaker 3: that they're getting out there that they might not be

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Speaker 3: taking quarterbacks, Like, what do you think that's about? And

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Speaker 3: how are you laying the groundwork as a GM, as

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Speaker 3: a decision maker over the next week kind of leading

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Speaker 3: up to the draft.

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Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you guys a story because it's

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Speaker 5: a cliche, but I lived it and probably lived the

608
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Speaker 5: most dramatic moment in recent memory with the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 5: which is you really need to be prepared for everything.

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Speaker 5: And in the twenty sixteenth draft, the number one player

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Speaker 5: on our board was Laramie Tunsel and for a lot

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Speaker 5: of that draft go moving into that year, Tennessee had

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Speaker 5: the first pick and everyone thought Tunsil would be the

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Speaker 5: first pick. They need to tackle and let's move on.

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Speaker 5: We had a good not great left tackle at the

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Speaker 5: time in Brandon Albert and Chris Greer ore GM at

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Speaker 5: the time, who's still there to his credit. You know,

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Speaker 5: we went through the process of making sure that we

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Speaker 5: thoroughly researched Laramie and as we know, like he had

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Speaker 5: a bump in the road, and on draft day, like

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Speaker 5: in real time, it was an unbelievable drama. In the

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Speaker 5: back of my mind, I'm thinking, you know, like Baltimore

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Speaker 5: is going to need to tackle. They make a lot

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Speaker 5: of great decisions. I'm sure they're going to take him.

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Speaker 5: And when they took Ronnie Stanley and not Laramie, I

626
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Speaker 5: was like, gosh, Like I looked at Chris Greer, I

627
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Speaker 5: looked at Adam Gay Steve Ross our owner one of

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Speaker 5: my billionaire conversations, and said, hey, you know, we went

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Speaker 5: through this process. Matt Winston, who will be a GM

630
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Speaker 5: one day, was an area scout, went into Ole miss

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Speaker 5: in the fall when it was quiet, and lo and

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Speaker 5: behold there he is at thirteen, and you know, six

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Speaker 5: seven years later, he's still one of the best, if

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Speaker 5: not the best, left tackles football. So he answer your question, Greg,

635
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Speaker 5: like you really have to say, like, hey, if we're

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Speaker 5: picking it at in Houston's case too, and we trade

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Speaker 5: back to seven, we better have seven players that we

638
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Speaker 5: are rock solid on because something crazy is going to happen,

639
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Speaker 5: and I don't know, is it Maybe Anthony Richardson going

640
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Speaker 5: before CJ. Stroud Like that would not shock me. I

641
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Speaker 5: would be surprised, but I wouldn't be shocked if that happens.

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Speaker 1: Guys, So you are in the world now.

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Speaker 2: When you were a general manager and everything was behind

644
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Speaker 2: closed doors, you were in a secret world. Now you

645
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Speaker 2: were having to put out mock drafts, and I know

646
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Speaker 2: that the element of your most recent mock draft, the

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Speaker 2: Hendon Hooker to Seattle, turned absolutely drop draws, and like

648
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Speaker 2: people were just how can you do this?

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Speaker 1: How can you put them there? Like what I would?

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Speaker 1: Dare you?

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Speaker 3: Frankly, Mike cow dare you?

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Speaker 2: I love how much? Because I've listened to some of yourself.

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Speaker 2: How strong will you come out in favor of him?

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Speaker 2: And that he's a little bit lost in the mix

655
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Speaker 2: because of the knee injury, his age. You know, why

656
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Speaker 2: would Seattle do this? Why does it make sense? Explain

657
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Speaker 2: to me why you made this pick?

658
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Speaker 5: Yeah, making sure that you're telling about my feedback on

659
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 5: my mock draft, because there was nothing negative that I

660
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Speaker 5: saw on Twitter.

661
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Speaker 2: Well, no, I guess it's just a few things. You know,

662
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Speaker 2: when you when you lose that blue check markets, it

663
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Speaker 2: gets tough.

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Speaker 5: I paid for my blue check mark.

665
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Speaker 3: Is that the kep he just assumes kept it breaking news?

666
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Speaker 1: My team coughed up the eight bucks or ESPN did

667
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Speaker 1: or someone I.

668
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Speaker 5: Don't know no ESPN did it, And I will say this,

669
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Speaker 5: I am not a billionaire and I spent eight dollars,

670
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 5: so both those things would be true. But you know,

671
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Speaker 5: for me, guys like you know you talk about like,

672
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 5: I will say like, I've seen receivers struggle sometimes again

673
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 5: with the transition, and obviously quarterbacks, there's a lot to

674
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Speaker 5: be said, and I've learned a lot, both highs and lows.

675
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Speaker 5: But when you fundamentally look at the biggest challenge, in

676
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Speaker 5: my opinion, with quarterbacks, it's experience. And there's nothing like

677
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 5: game experience for quarterbacks. Endon Hooker I started thirty seven

678
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 5: games and if he was healthy, guys, he may be

679
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 5: the first picking the draft. He has prototypical size, he

680
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 5: has a great arm, and I'm telling you he has

681
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: rare character. I saw it with my own eyes with

682
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Speaker 5: two different situations. One was the Orange Bowl. I'm on

683
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 5: the sidelines. I'm supposed to be scouting, you know, Tennessee.

684
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 5: In pregame, I am just kissing Peyton Manning's ass, trying

685
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 5: and get on the Manning cast. So I'm not and

686
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: I'm watching Hendon Hooker, who's not playing. He's in the

687
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 5: huddle with his teammates as passionate as he can be

688
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 5: in a very meaningful way. Fast forward three weeks later,

689
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 5: I'm covering the practices for the Senior Bowl. I'm on

690
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 5: the field, guys, and here's Hendon Hooker, who cannot play

691
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 5: in the game, in the huddle in a practice on

692
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Speaker 5: a Wednesday afternoon, amobile and I sit to him, like,

693
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Speaker 5: what in the world are you doing? Hendon? He's like, Hey,

694
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to help my teammates get better. And

695
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Speaker 5: somebody's like that vested, Like nobody would have blinked if

696
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Speaker 5: he just left Tennessee went out to California with one

697
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: of those QB gurus, nobody would have held it against him.

698
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 5: But here's a guy that was vested at Tennessee despite transferring.

699
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Speaker 5: Here's a guy that was at the Senior Bowl at

700
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Speaker 5: every rep like, that's who I want to be my

701
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 5: battlefield commander. And then when you throw on the fact

702
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 5: that he led the nation in yours per pass attempt

703
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 5: and I pushed back on the notion of Tennessee's offense

704
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 5: and how you know, four wide and how quick they were.

705
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 5: I understand there's gonna be some challenges in the transition,

706
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 5: but if he goes to Seattle at let's say five.

707
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 5: They did a wonderful job of extending Gino Smith. There

708
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 5: are some outs on the contract, and I just think

709
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 5: the old action guys of win for today and develop

710
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 5: tomorrow pits really perfectly between Geno Smith and Hendon Hooker.

711
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Speaker 3: I mean, you've got him as your top quarterback overall,

712
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: so it's not just you think he would fit well

713
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: in Seattle. You think he's going to be the best

714
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Speaker 3: player at the position in five years. You have Bryce

715
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Speaker 3: young Necks and richardson third, then Stroud and love Us.

716
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Speaker 3: That is bod, that's your guy, Mike. Hendon Hooker's career

717
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: and your career is now. It's together. Everyone's going to

718
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 3: think of you. When they think of Hendon Hooker, you

719
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: have to get a tattoo on your bic.

720
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Speaker 5: How do you know.

721
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't have them prove it.

722
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 5: But look, you know you have to look at talent

723
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 5: and character, and I think he has both. I don't

724
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 5: see any holes in his game. I do wish sometimes

725
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 5: offensively they stress him more, which they just don't. But

726
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 5: he's an underrated athlete. The age doesn't bother me. The

727
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 5: experience is a factor in a positive way, and I

728
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 5: just think when it's all said and done over the

729
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 5: next five years. While I love Bryce Young and his

730
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 5: foot quickness and well how quickly he plays guys like,

731
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 5: the statistics are against Bryce Young. Like if we were

732
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 5: running an insurance company and we had a bet based

733
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 5: on data, the data is against Bryce Young. I think

734
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 5: he'll be an exception. But that's why I would give

735
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Speaker 5: the benefit of doubt to Hendon Hooker over brys Young.

736
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Speaker 1: It's not always the buzziest pick for the especially fan

737
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: bases that wait all you know for months ahead of

738
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: the draft, and then Thursday night comes and then you

739
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: grab that offensive lineman in the draft. But at the

740
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: same time, people who knows these winners are built in

741
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: the trench is Peter Skoronsky at a Northwestern who's a

742
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: big time player. The belief amongst some people is that

743
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: he could be a Canton level player if everything clicked.

744
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Are you that high on him? Do you see him

745
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: head and shoulders above the rest of the linemen that

746
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: are expected to go high in this draft?

747
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

748
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 5: I like him a lot. I don't know if he's

749
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 5: quitting Nelson, but I think he's rock solid and if

750
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 5: I'm the Bears. I think he's a force multiplier. I

751
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 5: plug him in. I started at guard. Ironically, going back

752
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 5: to Tunsel, you know, we put Laramie at left guard

753
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 5: for a year, and candidly that was an ideal, Like

754
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 5: he was a little uncomfortable at first, but he slid

755
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 5: out to left tackle a year later in the rest

756
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 5: of history, and I think, you know, they could certainly

757
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 5: do the same thing in Chicago. I think he has

758
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 5: a really really high floor. You know, there's a lot

759
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 5: about his arm length, but he's very functional, he's very strong,

760
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 5: he's tough, so to me, I don't think there's a

761
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: lot of downside. And when you're the Bears, like, let's

762
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 5: see justin fields with a really good offensive line this

763
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Speaker 5: and I think there's no better example today than the

764
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Speaker 5: Eagles book. Jalen Hurts has great talent, great character. He's

765
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 5: a markedly marked improved player, but I think part of

766
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 5: that is the offensive line that he's playing behind.

767
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Speaker 2: All Right, So when your career began way back when

768
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: it was Bill Belichick, who I believe he read a

769
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Speaker 2: book that you tried to publish about football scouting, etc.

770
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Speaker 2: And decided to hire you. Way back when so you

771
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Speaker 2: understand Bill bell.

772
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Speaker 1: A on Wait, why did he read it if it

773
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Speaker 1: wasn't published. Well, it was so many questions.

774
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: You could explain that you got copies to people. Did

775
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 2: not Bill Belichick read something that you wrote?

776
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: Is that correct?

777
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 5: That is correct? So I actually put out it was

778
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 5: sixty books that I sent to every head coach in GM. Yeah,

779
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 5: Greg Rosenthal University's law school. I was at Tulane. I

780
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 5: was an unpaid intern for the Saints, and I was

781
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 5: very lucky, guys. The first year and a half that

782
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 5: I was in the NFL, I was an unpaid intern.

783
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 5: The salary cap came in. I just took notes and

784
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 5: sort of had observations about how to build a team

785
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 5: in the salary cap era. I got fifty nine rejection letters,

786
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 5: and Mike Lombardi and Bill Belichick hired me in Cleveland

787
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 5: for the ninety five season, and I still have all

788
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 5: the other rejection letters. I still have, like my original binder.

789
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 5: As embarrassing as some of my thoughts were, I think

790
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 5: what Coach Belichick though, was what's interesting wasn't the fact

791
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 5: that he hired me, was the fact that he hired

792
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Speaker 5: somebody that he thought should give them a competitive advantage,

793
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 5: knowing that the salary cap was going to be an

794
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Speaker 5: important part of team building.

795
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Speaker 2: And I love that. I love that backstory. And you

796
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: were there just a couple of years after Bill Belichick

797
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: parted ways with Bernie Kozar, which set the city on fire.

798
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you go to New England right now and

799
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Speaker 2: it just feels like the energy between Bill Belichick and

800
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: Mac Jones has been off for a year plus. We

801
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 2: all know what happened last offseason. Today as we talk

802
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: to you, Well Levis is in there visiting. There just

803
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: seems to be interest potentially that New England would look

804
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: for a different solution to quarterback. Do you think that

805
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: they're knowing what you do about Belichick? Is there a

806
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: possibility that there's levers being pulled year in a month

807
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: from now. Matt Jones is just somewhere else.

808
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 5: Yes, And I would not do that if I was them,

809
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 5: but Coach Belichick would absolutely. He is beholden to one

810
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: thing in his mind, the absolute truth. The standards are

811
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 5: the standards, and the best players will play. I think

812
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 5: Mac Jones is a good NFL quarterback. Look, we could

813
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 5: argue if he's top ten or sixteen, but he's a

814
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 5: good player. He took his team to the playoffs in

815
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 5: year one, which is hard to do. And look, I

816
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 5: don't think there's a super high ceiling, but I don't

817
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 5: think this team is as far away. They have a

818
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 5: great defense. Their offensive line, in my opinion, isn't what

819
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 5: it once was on the Dante Scarnikia. But if they

820
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 5: can get maybe another weapon or two people that can run.

821
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Speaker 5: I don't think Smith Schuster changes what they are on offense.

822
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 5: I still think they're pedestrian. If they can fix that

823
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 5: the offensive line and hopefully another weapon, I think they

824
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 5: could be right in the mix as one of the

825
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 5: seven best teams in the AFC.

826
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Speaker 3: Man, how would they even do that? That's a tricky

827
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Speaker 3: one because if if you can't get them traded and

828
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: then he's your presumptive starting quarterback, you have to manage that.

829
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking back when the Jets once went after Peyton

830
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: Manning and then Mark Sanchez was still there, Like it's

831
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Speaker 3: a lot. What do you think, Mac Jones, I've been

832
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: surprised even thinking about this, But what do you think

833
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: he would cost?

834
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Speaker 5: Like?

835
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Speaker 3: What would you give up if you were a team

836
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: that needed a quarterback right now? Would what do you

837
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Speaker 3: think mac Jones could could get for you.

838
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Speaker 5: Probably a second or a third round pick. You know,

839
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Speaker 5: he's a solid quarterback. And again, like context is everything here, guys,

840
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Speaker 5: if you don't have a quarterback, mac Jones looks really good. Now.

841
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 5: I think what he falls behind is I don't see

842
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 5: the athleticism that all the other quarterbacks that are playing

843
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 5: at a high level in the AFC. Like, let's put

844
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Speaker 5: two aside because the injuries. But when you talk about

845
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 5: Josh Allen presumptively, Aaron Rodgers, Burrow, Mahomes Herbert, it's just,

846
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 5: you know, Lamar, it's just one after the other. These

847
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 5: guys are young, they're athletic, and they can really stress

848
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Speaker 5: the defense because not what they could just do with

849
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 5: their arm, but with their feet. And that's what's missing

850
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 5: in mac Jones's game. Now, with that said, I think

851
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 5: they go twelve personnel with Hunter, Henry and Giseki and

852
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 5: that could make a big difference. And ramondre Stevenson, to me,

853
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 5: is isn't a really effective runner. So what they're missing

854
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 5: is maybe one more player that's fast, one more really

855
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 5: solid offensive lineman, and then I could I think they

856
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 5: could win a whole bunch of games. But I don't

857
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 5: think this is helping Mac Jones, you know. I think

858
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 5: what's hard for them is this guy's There was a

859
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 5: lot of things that were really special about Tom Brady,

860
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 5: that's obvious, but part of it is like rare mental

861
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 5: toughness and resilience in the formulative years of his career,

862
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 5: and Mac Jones may not just have those like superpowers,

863
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 5: And somebody in his ecosystem is saying like, hey, did

864
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 5: you see this rumor? In that rumor and you know,

865
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 5: we all say the same thing in this industry, like oh,

866
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 5: we don't read anything, and it doesn't bother Like, you know,

867
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 5: that's bullshit, Like everyone reads everything, and I'm sure it

868
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 5: does impact them. So but knowing Bill b I don't

869
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 5: think that would That's not going to stop him from

870
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 5: doing what he thinks right for his team.

871
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: I want to go above the tree tops again here, Mike,

872
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: because somebody has, you know, such experience running front offices.

873
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: How do let's call them external factors affect your decision making? Potentially,

874
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: if you're a GM who knows you're in a position

875
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: where it's kind of a playoff or bust year, does

876
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: that make you potentially more aggressive? To take a big swing,

877
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: or would that maybe put you in a position to

878
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: go a little more meat and potatoes and be a

879
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: little more conservative, Like you've been on both sides of it,

880
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: Like does it change as it's human nature, does it

881
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: change how you approach a draft, your personal job security

882
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: within an organization?

883
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, it's a totally fair question. Look I was

884
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: able to do for a long time over twenty years,

885
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 5: and what really served me well was like, what's always

886
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 5: best for the organization and if we sort of use

887
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 5: that as a grounded ten pole as we make decisions, like,

888
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 5: that's going to lead to more right decisions than wrong.

889
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 5: And you hope that you know, your boss beats Steve

890
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 5: rosswe Johnson, who else isn't going to make a decision.

891
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 5: I'll come determinative on any one pick and that typically

892
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 5: will lead you to the right decisions. And candidly, like,

893
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 5: it's other people you're worried about more so than yourself.

894
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 5: There's a lot of people whose you know, families and

895
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 5: kids and jobs like depend on the performance of the organization,

896
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: and I always worried more about them than myself and

897
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 5: always thought like, if we just bring really good players

898
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 5: that are high character that love football. We'll get more

899
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 5: decisions right than wrong, and usually that took care of itself.

900
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: Fair You drafted Durell Reeves once. Do you have a

901
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: cornerback in this draft that you like the most?

902
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 5: Devin Withers Well, it's funny. There's one in one a

903
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 5: here like Witherspoon is a lot like Antoine Winfield senior.

904
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 5: And I hate saying that because it makes me feel

905
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 5: so old, but Antoine Winfield was one of my favorite players,

906
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 5: like the late great John Butler. When they drafted Antoine

907
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 5: Winfield at the Bills, I saw him at a game.

908
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, that was a great pick. He's like, well,

909
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 5: we only drafted him to cover Corbette. I was like, oh, man,

910
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 5: that hurts. And when you look at Witherspoon, he's from

911
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 5: the Panhandle, wasn't highly recruited, has a massive chip on

912
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 5: his shoulder, and he's playing linebacker in a corner body like.

913
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 5: He loves to tackle, he loves to run support. Christian

914
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 5: Gonzales was, you know, a Colorado transfer to Oregon, and

915
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 5: he has more of an elegance about him and he's

916
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 5: a great, great athlete with great hips. Isn't the physical

917
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 5: player that Witherspoon is, but I think they'll both play

918
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 5: for a long time. But like a guy like Witherspoon

919
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 5: to me, like, I don't think he'll make it this hard,

920
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 5: but like I think he is a Pittsburgh Steeler because

921
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 5: I think he's tougher than tough and I just see

922
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 5: him like thriving with a guy like Mike Tomlin.

923
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 2: I wonder where you come in on the running back thing,

924
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 2: because I think about the two thousand and nine Jets

925
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: and how you guys just went as far as you

926
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: did by hammering people in cold weather, completely destroying their will.

927
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: And there's someone like Bijon Robbinson sitting out there and

928
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, it's a running back and you might

929
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: only get four or five great years out of this

930
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: great player. Well, that sounds like a pretty good first

931
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: round pick relatively speaking to begin with. But how high, Like,

932
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: depending where you were, how high would you say this

933
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: is our guy and I'll defend it till the end?

934
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: How high in the first round?

935
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what's really interesting. I had a chance

936
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 5: to sit down with Tom A. Herman a couple of

937
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 5: weeks ago. He he's now the head coach at Fau

938
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 5: in Boca Ratone and told me a really interesting story.

939
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: He said, you know, as a play caller, if we

940
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 5: thought that there was an AutoMac check at Texas where

941
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 5: if he was in the slot and they thought was bantamn,

942
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: like that's where they were going, there was nobody that

943
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 5: could cover him one on one. And I think what's

944
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 5: like a little unfair for Bijon is like you almost

945
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 5: hate this, say, guys, but like there's almost a stigma

946
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 5: of like, oh, you play running back, and if you

947
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 5: take like the position off of him and think of

948
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 5: him as an offensive weapon, he's one of the clearly

949
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 5: ten to twelve best football players in this draft. So

950
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 5: to me, if you have like a plan for him,

951
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 5: especially out of the backfield, a little bit like a McCaffrey,

952
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 5: a Kamaratite, I think he's a top five player. And

953
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 5: there's a couple of teams like Buffalo and Dallas in particular,

954
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 5: two teams like I'm really curious, like do they maybe

955
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 5: try a trade up for him, because I think those

956
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 5: are two teams that would really benefit with his skills

957
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 5: not just running the ball, guys, Like again, like you

958
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 5: see it on tape, but boy like talking to Tom Herman,

959
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 5: guys like it's amazing, like confidence they had him as

960
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 5: a route runner and his hands and his ability to

961
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 5: adjust to the ball.

962
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: Mike, thank you so much for joining us. Before we

963
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: let you go, I'd want to ask you something non

964
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: draft related. The old heads, No, the ogs that have

965
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: been following the Hard Knocks franchise for years know that

966
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to top the twenty ten Jets hard

967
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: Knock season. Shout out Roscoe Diner, shout out might T

968
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: trying to catch as many punts as he could in

969
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: his arms. Where you come down on these teams being

970
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: so openly out on hard Knocks, I'll point out Bears

971
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: CEO George McCaskey, who kind of went out of his

972
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: way to say, don't pick us. Did you find it

973
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: to be some thing that was a legitimate distraction or

974
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: is this just these teams are getting there? Tidy Whitey's

975
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: in a bunch for no reason.

976
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 5: I'd say, both, guys. So let me tell you a story.

977
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 5: We were like a finalist for the nine year and

978
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 5: I was like no, no, no, no, no, we're not

979
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 5: doing this, and everybody else wanted to do it except

980
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 5: for me. And then after like to think about for

981
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 5: quite a while, guys, Ozzie knew some who have a

982
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 5: ton of respect for a long time GM of the

983
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 5: Ravens and great player. He made a really interesting comment.

984
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 5: He talked about how they got better practices because when

985
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 5: players know that the cameras are on them, actually get

986
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 5: better efforts. And that really like changed my opinion of it.

987
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 5: And then NFL films, you know, the institution, guys, is

988
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 5: just a really really special Like when they talk about

989
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 5: like confidentiality and you know things won't get out that

990
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 5: are going to embarrass you, they really mean it. So

991
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 5: it was tremendous for our franchise. We obviously had a

992
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 5: great year, went to the championship game despite me losing hair,

993
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 5: gaining weight, dropping punts, not saying our best player. You know,

994
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 5: beyond that, it was really.

995
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: Good, very good. You did get it done. That in fact,

996
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: the greatest ending to any Hard Knocks season. And as

997
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: a Jets fan, this this might seem biased, but it's

998
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: Darrell Reeves coming on to the practice field with the

999
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: teammates mobbing him after that saga that played out, and

1000
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: Mike t got it done and he continues to get

1001
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: it done, just in a different capacity. Thank you, mister

1002
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: t Thanks Mike.

1003
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 5: Thank you, thanks so much. Guys really appreciate it.

1004
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: All right there he goes, yeah, George McCaskey. The quote was,

1005
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: there are a number of teams that have compelling stories

1006
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: to tell on hard knocks, And then a reporter asks

1007
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: that are not the Bears and he said, thirty one others.

1008
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I don't get it.

1009
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: He needs more juice than the Bears come at.

1010
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: Least half the teams around the league could use. I

1011
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: typically look at like I think things can go south

1012
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: because I can think of like the Hugh Jackson scenario

1013
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: where him in a room or bossing his other assistance

1014
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: around look bad and it's stuck with him.

1015
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: But in general, like how most of what comes.

1016
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: Out about these teams is positive stories and getting to

1017
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: know people better, and like you, you can't hide stuff

1018
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 2: now anyways, why not like go and have NFL films

1019
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: do the best job to can with it.

1020
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: Right, It's almost seems like like a lack of confidence, like, yeah,

1021
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: we're so afraid that like they're going to expose that

1022
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: we're actually just there's nothing behind the curtain. How about

1023
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 3: be like the lions, and you're proud of who you are,

1024
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: and America falls in love with you.

1025
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: And I love that Ozzie theory. That's I think he

1026
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: one hundred cameras watching, and you could be the focus

1027
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: of a segment. You're probably gonna bust your ass just

1028
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: that much harder, just how humans work a little bit,

1029
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: I think, I mean.

1030
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: And to Mike's point about them relatively from them taking

1031
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: care of you ultimately, m I mean, they were just

1032
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 3: following the Cardinals every week during.

1033
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: Oh they protected the card one of the.

1034
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 3: Most disastrous seasons anyone's haden will I wish we had

1035
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: made it through an episode without bagging on the Cardinals.

1036
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, But all I mean is like, actually I

1037
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: watched most of those and I did see some positive

1038
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: things out of the Cardinals that were genuine, and I

1039
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: thought higher of some of the people in that building

1040
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: because of that. And yeah, there was other stuff on

1041
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 3: that side.

1042
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: Are we visiting the Cardinals?

1043
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 6: I'm advance, Joseph uh oh not again, gosh, tough sitch

1044
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 6: not good for birds.

1045
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: Not good, not good? All right, So another week in

1046
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: the books for around the NFL. Next time you hear

1047
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: from us, it will be Draft Week. What do we

1048
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: got coming up? We got a show on Monday. We

1049
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: haven't figured that one out yet, but we will. Wednesday

1050
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: we got figured out. It's the Mark Sessler Mock Draft,

1051
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: eagerly awaited. And also I guess, well, are we going

1052
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: to roll out the graver mock competition as well? I

1053
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: don't know. We'll have to figure that. We'll figure that out.

1054
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: Could have dueling days, but I would I would invite

1055
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 2: him to come. I'm not unlike the mccaskey's and the Bears.

1056
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: I invite the competition in the camaraderie.

1057
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: Very good. I love that outlook on things. Thursday, we

1058
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: got you a double header of goodness. We have the

1059
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: first ever live stream of Round one of the draft,

1060
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: and immediately following that, we'll come to this studio right

1061
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: here and record the Round one recap. And then after

1062
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: you know, we reset on Friday tracking the draft as

1063
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: we do. Saturday night, we recap the rest of the

1064
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: draft and any other big thoughts on the league that

1065
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: is the NFL.

1066
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: I think you've said it, little winners and losers usually

1067
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 3: on that set.

1068
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: You usually do that. We hit those winners and losers,

1069
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: all right? Anything else?

1070
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: I like your new shirt.

1071
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: You know there's a golf shirt. Took this golf in

1072
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: it Vegas with the buddies.

1073
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: Fancy.

1074
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: It's like Aqua Military. Nice. Check us out on Aqua Camel.

1075
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: He the call