WEBVTT - Fantasy Suite Week with Chris Harrison 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:07.360 What's up? Everybody Happy Tuesday? Another episode of Bachelor Happy Out? 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.399 Can I before we get into everything, I just want 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.040 to set the mood here. I don't want to be here. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.400 I'm gonna try to be as professional as possible because 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.400 I have Bachelor Nation Royalty sitting across from me in 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.520 the room. I'm gonna try to put on my good hat. Becca. 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.880 I know you share the same frustrations with me. I 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.479 just want to to say that off the top. You 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.720 know how we like to name every episode. I feel 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.240 like I want to name this episode. Am I missing something? 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:40.000 Question mark? I was gonna name it wt app exclamation 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.760 mark that works as well. Oh no, I'm just gonna 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.360 say it's been crazy. We keep saying it. It's crazier 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.760 and crazier, and this episode finally, I was like, I 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:52.680 need to take a moment away from the screen. Well, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.000 we'll get into this because I want to get straight 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:56.560 to the podcast. I was about to say, I have 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:58.640 so many notes, and I think I was just venting 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.960 my frustration out in my notes this week, but we're 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:02.400 going to talk about it. I'm so glad to have 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:04.679 you here. I know you're on the road. We've been 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.319 following along everything that you're doing with Finn and Baucher 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.600 live on stage. I know you have your family there, 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:14.160 Minnow's there, Garrett's there with you right now. How's everything going, Yes, 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.600 it's been so much fun. It has been a much 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.920 crazier adventure than I could ever imagine, but it's been great. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.920 So we are currently on the tour bus calling in. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.760 We are driving through Salt Lake City as we speak, 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.560 but Minnow has already claimed the title as the official 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.480 Diva of the tour bus. Of course. Ar it's been uh, 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.120 you know, hog into Betty to Night, but it's been 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:43.240 very fun, good. I'm glad. I'm I can't wait to 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:47.560 join you whenever that may be, but soon. I know 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.160 we have to get to it because we don't. We 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.240 don't get to do this every day. It is not 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:57.240 every day that we get to have a legend on 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.600 our podcast. I don't know who we are, what we 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.040 did I to deserve to have the one and only 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.960 mister Chris Harrison, also known as our fairy godfather on 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.720 the podcast. Chris, thank you for joining us, ladies, thanks 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:16.160 for having me. I have to say, first and foremost, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.840 your effing ring is huge. I'm just we're seeing I'm 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:22.440 saying across from Rachel right now. And I know you 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.400 guys can't see this. Your ring is insane. Thank you 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.520 that up again. I don't know if I've ever seen 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.400 a wedding. If you ask, I can definitely will Lord, 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:35.440 thank you, Chris. That is massive. Becca. You better get 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.000 you better. You better get at least that. Becca shines 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.800 as well. Um. And by the way, good to be 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.200 here in Becca. I know you're on the road. Congrats 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:46.680 to you and Ben. I know you guys are crushing 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.079 it out there. I'm hearing good things. Uh. And Rachel 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:50.600 says she wants to join you guys for a month 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:57.600 or south. Can't wait, thanks, but we do. I know 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.600 we have a lot to talk about with this episode, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.000 so I don't even know where we start, though, I 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.440 want to pick your brain so badly. I'm here. I mean, 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:08.639 you were there in the heat of it. If we're 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.760 frustrated as viewers watching this, I can only imagine what 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.520 it was like to record this. You were there for 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.680 a week. We only get two hours of this, so 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.359 we were there, yeah, two weeks in Australia going through 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.120 this whole thing, and it was it was an interesting 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.960 season and journey with you know, speaking to two women 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.720 who I have gone through this with it, you know, 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.120 there's no there's nothing to compare it. And I know 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.640 I often say like, look, I can't compare seasons. You know, 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.280 Rachel season to Becca season to whoever is totally different. 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.080 But this season was so different on so many levels. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.760 Going through it with Peter interesting. He's an interesting guy 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.640 and he's a good man. But you know, we'll get 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.520 into these relationships, and I think that one of the 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.120 reasons I love the show is we've all had certain 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.040 relationships like this, and it was just interesting to watch 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.720 Peter go through it. Which relationship are you referring to, Chris, 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.880 all of them, because they all really stand for some 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.280 thing very different. They really do bats our Nation. I'm 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.640 trying to get as much as I can out of calls. 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.000 By the way, this lid is going to pop off 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.400 the steam pot and Rachel's going to go off, and 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.240 I am here for it. I'm brewing, I say it. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:16.640 I know the look in her eye. That's one thing 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.680 I do remember, is that look in her eye as 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.040 things were about to go off and this cattle is 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.040 about to blow. Well, I'm just confused. If I had 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.480 a subtitle to this episode, it would be compete. Just 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.040 catch a break? I mean, can the man get one 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.960 day off? And it seems every week he's going through something, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.440 And just when we think, all right, it's fantasy suits, 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.240 here we are. He's down his final three, He's confident 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.160 in his decision. He can explore these relationships to another level. 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.120 Because this really really is an important week. Forget what 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.360 fantasy suits means to everyone else. This is the opportunity 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.719 for you to have that alone time that you so 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.159 desperately need at this point in the journey, so you 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.159 can make decisions that you need to move on. And 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.320 the one person who seems to be the most level 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:06.360 headed and normal is cracking. So Becca, let's just pick 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.760 up where we left off at the end of last week. 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:13.480 So we see Madison pulled Peter aside, she has this 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.640 talk with him. Now, I was a bit surprised at 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.480 what she said in that talk. What did you think? Becca? 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.640 So my issue and I'm glad that she I think 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.320 I've been waiting for this to come up, because obviously 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:28.919 in Rachel, you and I had touched face on this 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.640 a few weeks ago. Like, we knew that Madison was 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.919 saving herself. We knew that this was a conversation that 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.359 was about to go down. Was the timing the best? 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:42.640 Probably not? But my thing watching her conversation with Theater 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:47.760 is there wasn't really like I didn't know where she 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.480 was going with it. She basically said, you know, I'm 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.680 saving myself. Like what it seemed like was an ultimatum, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.920 but there wasn't any hard, set fast conclusion from it. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.520 It was just kind of like, wow, this is how 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.440 I feel. Do what you want, And it's kind of 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.919 left open, like, Okay, where is he supposed to go 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:06.720 from here? How is he supposed to take this? Like, 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.560 of course there's three of you lesson he's having started 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.240 feeling for I was just left wanting more and if 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.560 it's been such a big deal for her, I wanted 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.560 hurtance to what's the state what she was hoping for? 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.480 But did I miss something She didn't say in that 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:26.200 conversation that she was saving herself And I was screaming 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.160 it it's so unfair. I'm going to get to it 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.800 when we get to this part about Madison in Fantasy 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.360 Sweet Weeks, but she's talking about her faith she's talking 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.599 all around the subject, but she's not being direct as 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.599 to what's so important with her. So how can Peter 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.520 make a fully educated decision when you're holding on to 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.120 something that's so vital to this week? So she tells him. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.880 She keeps saying, but I'm not giving you an ultimatum, 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:57.360 you know, my heart, and then literally defined ultimatum. Thank you, Chris, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.680 you are Everything you're saying is an ultimatum. She said 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.520 several times, this is not an ultimatum, but then literally 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.440 defined in every word she said, an ultimatum. And she 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:11.679 did that throughout, you know, the entire episode. They're dating everything. 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:16.920 But if you do this, then this that is an ultimatum, Mattie, 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.040 and for anybody else who's confused on the definition of 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.080 an ultimatum, cause and effect, you do this, this will happen. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.400 It is so nice to have conversations with a level headed, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:31.040 logical people. And to Madison's credit or to her defense 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.280 or whatever, I think she knew what she wanted to 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.040 say at the airport after that Rose ceremony, and maybe 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.120 she just didn't know how to say it. She couldn't articulate. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.720 It reminded me of Victoria trying to have the conversation 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:46.560 on the doorstep after the hometown date of they're not 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.280 saying words, and they're not putting those words together into sentences, 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.800 and those sentences are definitely not conveying any thoughts. And 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.760 that is difficult to follow, especially when you're trying to 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.280 make big life choices. And so Madison, I I knew 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.320 where she was trying to go, but man, she couldn't 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.280 get there, and Peter didn't know where she was trying 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.200 to go. And I think that's what's so hard. And 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.440 I'll pose this question to both you and Chris. Becca, 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.760 why do you think it was so my theory? But 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.200 why do you think it's so difficult for Madison to 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.360 say this? Because this is who she is. She has 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:23.080 defined herself as you know, being faith based. She's a Christian. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.240 These are her morals and her values. And she was 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.800 very matter of fact when she had that conversation with 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.560 Peter on their second date, week seven. Why is it 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.160 so hard for her to say, but I'm also saving 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:40.640 myself for marriage. Why can't she make that declarative statement. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.960 I don't understand it, and I'm looking for help. I'll 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.320 just say this for her and this is a conversation 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.480 I really want to have with her at some point. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.280 Obviously we don't know how this ends, and maybe it's 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.760 with her and Peter, maybe it's just with her. However 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:57.880 this turns out, I want to have a conversation because 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:02.199 she has a difficult time, as you said, articulating a 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.599 very strong belief and so there is a not a hypocrisy, 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.680 but I don't know a divide there because a hypocrisy 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.640 has such a negative connotation. I want to put a 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.360 negative connotation on this because I respect her thoughts, I 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.120 respect her feelings, and it's just being able to express 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:23.040 something that's so strong in your heart and in your soul. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.840 I don't know why she has trouble and she really 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.600 won't make that statement that you were talking about of Hey, 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.640 this is where I am in my life and my faith. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:33.880 If anyone is going to take this journey with me, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.480 you got to be on this same walk. Period. Look, yes, 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.040 that's an ultimatum. But by the way, I don't have 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.400 a problem with ultimatums. If that is where you are, 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.199 then that's fine. And if this relationship doesn't go along 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.080 with those standards, then we go our separate ways. It's 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.800 the fact that they can't have that conversation is what 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:57.040 frustrates I think everybody, and I think it's incumbent upon 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.559 her to figure out how to have those conversations at 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.240 some point in her life and truly understand what she's 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:06.920 asking and what she's saying. That's right, And I think, 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.960 so I grew up Catholic, so I feel like I 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.079 and I could be totally up face. I don't want 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.199 to put work in Madison's mouth or her family, but 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.120 growing up as a Catholic, it's kind of like that 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.680 you just don't talk about it. There are certain words 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.480 that it's like, you don't want to say sex, you 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.120 don't want to say virgin. And again, I don't know 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.920 what her face is if she is Catholics enough, but 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.520 I know a lot of it gets brushed under the 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.440 word growing up, and I think that could have something 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.240 to do with it. It's like we saw her sit 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.240 down with her mom at hometowns and her mom kind 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.840 of skirted around the fact of her face too, and 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.679 that she did save herself. But those words aren't being used, 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.720 those declarative statements aren't being used, and I don't know 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.080 if that has a lot to do with her faith, 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.680 if it's just something you don't talk about with other 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.720 people because it is so sacred. But we've seen it, 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.360 not only know with Madison, but a lot of the 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.320 girls serves this season. They don't know how to have 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.079 these deep conversations with that depth, with certain words, with 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.400 certain burbage, with these declarative statements that kind of skirt 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.360 around the facts, with their conversations with Peter. And I 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.800 think he finally see it because with him throughout the 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.079 entire episode with Peter and Madison, he keeps saying, just 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.240 so I can be clear, Just so I can be clear, 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.440 I need to be clear here. He uses that phrase 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.480 so many times throughout this because he can't quite get 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.599 to the bottom of what exact data she wants and 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.800 what she's saying. This is what bothers me. We're just 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.680 going to get into it. This is what bothers me 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.640 about her not saying it one. It doesn't give Peter 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.680 the full information that he needs to make to have 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.280 the right mindset to go into this week. I don't 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.520 understand why she's holding back. What are you so fearful of? 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.880 And I think you were saying you don't want to say, 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.760 Chris that she's being a hypocrite because it is a 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.360 strong word. So I think it's a contradiction. You sit 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.960 here on week seven and you say this is who 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.080 you are, but then you don't tell him all of 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.480 who you are, so you're it's like, what are you 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.760 so fearful of? And I guess it's like, if this 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.200 is these are your morals, this is your value. It's 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.360 beautiful that you have made these commitments and this is 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.160 what you live by. And I love that you hold 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.600 yourself to that standard and you believe in it. I 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.839 think that's beautiful. I just think that if this is 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.360 who you are, then you wear it proud, and you 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.960 wear it like a badge, and you wear it because 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.840 you want to attract a certain type of man, because 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.640 that is what you want for yourself. And I almost 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.280 feel like she's trying to turn Peter into a man 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.320 that she wants that he's not in Becca. You and 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.240 I talked about this how a lot of times as women, 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.320 we think we can change you. Oh, we can will 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.000 make excuses for him, I can make him better. And 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.800 I just think if you're not telling him and you're 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.480 holding back from it, one I think it's selfish because 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.160 it's not fair to him, it's not fair to the 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.160 other women. It's not fair that you've come this far 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.920 in the journey and you're holding this information back. So 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.199 why are you holding it back? I am going to 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.280 say what other people are probably too afraid to say. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.920 If I'm putting on my logical hat and I think 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.200 about this, why are you holding it back? Because we 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.679 all know you want a Christian man. There are so 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.280 many ways to meet a Christian church mission trip through 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.120 mutual friends, you know, one way to not really meet 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.200 them The Bachelor. Let's just be honest. The Bachelor isn't 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.240 a show that stands on Christian values. It doesn't. It's 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.240 not rooted in the Bible and biblical beliefs. So why 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:37.000 are you coming on this show? Knowing how this show works. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:38.320 We all know that you get to this point in 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.480 fantasy sweet week, So to be logical, well, at the 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.959 very least you know that he was with Hannah many 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.360 times over. I mean that was a pretty so you 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.800 at least know this guy is not that. And the 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.120 thing is, he's actually a faithful person. He is a 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.800 man of faith in his own way. Yeah, but not 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.840 in your way and you you knew that coming in 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.360 this is this is Peter sex and a win, Peter 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.560 four times in a windmill. Peter, you knew this. This 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.839 isn't sean lower Ben Higgins like he has been sexualized 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.680 coming onto this season. Right, Yeah, you decided to come on. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.000 So for me, the logical thing is one, you came 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.360 on because you just wanted to be a part of 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.760 this experience. Two, you came on this show because you 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.560 wanted the platform that it was going to give you. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.440 Had you told him earlier that you were saving yourself 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.240 for marriage, maybe you were fearful that he would send 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:23.640 you home and you wouldn't make it as far as 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.960 you did. You wouldn't be in Australia, you wouldn't have 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.160 the number of followers that you have, or three you 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.560 want to be the bacherette got you got to a 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.440 point where you made it far enough to be in consideration. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.440 That is the only logical thing I can think of, 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.320 because I don't understand why you haven't shared this information 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.720 because it was you're definitely not setting yourself up or 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.440 Peter up to succeed. Yeah, set him up to fail. Yeah, 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.920 you set the relationship up to fail. Yeah, and you 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.840 wait to tell him this information and then you hold 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.280 it against him. I am Florida. We don't know if 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.480 she leaves, if she's days, but if she leaves, it 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:06.640 is so I'll say it hypocritical, a contradiction to hold 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.240 that against him when you withheld this information from him, 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.520 knowing what this show is and knowing who Peter is. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.320 Say what you will about luke P last year at 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.120 least at least he was who he was from day one. Yeah, 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.320 And you know then it was up to Hannah to 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.280 decide is he misogynistic? Is he all those things that 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.360 you know, people realize later, But hey, he was like 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.920 that from day one? Right, he didn't change, right, And 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.480 I to I will say this about luke P, and 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.560 I said it to him. I don't have a problem 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.440 with you. I don't have a problem with your faith 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.240 or any you know. I know a lot of people 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.800 were jumping on the bandwagon of well he was you know, 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.640 Hannah's sex positive and go girl and all this. Well 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.880 is it the same? Right? Is Peter going to be 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.560 treated the same and as Madison going to be villainized 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.600 the same way luke P was? Yeah, it's not it's 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.000 not completely dissimilar. No, I I was going to ask 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.200 both of you this question. Becca, Yeah, do you think 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.520 that albody's starting to see it? If you've reads a 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.200 little bit of social media, there is a bit of 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.920 a double standard. What do you think about that? Becca? Oh? 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.680 Totally And watching this episode go down, that's the first 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.560 thought I had when Madison started talking to him, I'm like, 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.280 is she going to get an edit like Luke P? 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.240 Or are people going to rally behind her? Because that 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.000 doesn't make that like basically they're saying the same things. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.560 Maybe Luke P approached it in a different way that 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.880 seemed more harsh, but like, in reality, these are very 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:33.040 similar situations. And so if you're gonna rat like villainized 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.040 Luke for how he handled it with hand, it's like 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.360 Madison's basically doing the same thing. Maybe she's just approaching 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.680 it a little bit nice, so tiptoeing her at the fact. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.640 But you know, basically they both said, we don't want 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.840 to go into pantasue if you you stuck with other people. 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.320 So where is society right now? Right? Will a will 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:54.280 a woman, very sweet, dominutive woman from Alabama get a 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:59.720 much wider birth and a much bigger grace area. And 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.480 this guy it is easy to beat on. It's easy 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.600 to beat on a guy, especially right now. Will she 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.720 get the same treatment? And that's that's gonna be very interesting. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.560 That's why I was going to ask, you know, two 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.080 women who have been through this before, how you think 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.080 this is going to go down and if actually it 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.159 might even be reversed and Peter is going to be 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.760 the bad guy. I think that what people have to 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.399 do is separated. I think you have to say, you know, 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.080 Luke was a villain the whole season. Madison has been 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.600 the complete opposite from that. But I think what where 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.560 both Madison and Luke pe went wrong? Is there timing 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.919 and delivery of this whole situation, And that's what you 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.600 have to look at. That's what's the selfish act, that's 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:45.679 what's judgmental, and that's what's not fair. Madison was wrong, 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.440 in my opinion, to wait till this point to tell 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.639 him something that she's known from day one. When as 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.800 soon as you felt those feelings going in week four 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:57.199 or five, yeah, hometown's plenty of time to have those conversations. 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.359 The moment he said I'm falling in love with you right, 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.280 it's just something you need to know, something you need 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.560 to know. And luke P waited until this point to 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.800 express his thoughts as well. That is why they're similar. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.680 That's all you know. When people are like, oh, Luke 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.960 put piece of villain, how dare you compare? Because people 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.399 are already saying how dare you compare Madison to luke P. 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.639 I think that's what you have to look at how 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.080 they delivered. Take away some of the things that luke 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.520 P said and did early on. There were some misogynistic 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.920 moves and say like, I think I'm just taking this 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.359 one small snapshot towards the end where they both really 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.439 were just relying in falling back on their beliefs and 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.200 in their faith, and that was the decision. I don't 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.640 have a problem with either one, by the way, if 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.440 that is your decision. But it's like you said, timing 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.040 when and where you had that conversation, you're setting these 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.560 people up that you truly care about. You say, you're 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.040 setting them up for failure. There's no way Peter could 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:53.879 not fail with that ultimatum. Yeah, as a man, Chris, 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.919 as a man, the male opinion, what how do you 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.760 take that information? Like you're you put yourself in as 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.040 best as you can. In Peter's situation, you do what 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.840 he did. You take the moral high road. You can 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.119 only fall on yourself getting out of the way of 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.439 that situation. You know you he did, right. I respect 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.479 your decision, I respect everything you're saying, and then just 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.920 be completely honest with her, which he did. I mean, 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.400 that's all you can do. I was so proud of him, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.840 because you're just the bad guy. You are the bad guy, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.000 and every guy knows that you are in the wrong. 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.600 When you walk into a situation, you are in the wrong. Period. 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.520 It don't matter what the situation is, especially, it's just 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.680 the way it is, especially in this day and age. 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.560 And you know you're under the microscope, and so you're 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.320 gonna be man explaining, You're going to be you know, 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.760 sexually oppressing her whatever it is. You are the bad guy, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.440 ye know that. Yeah, And not enough guys going to 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.200 conversations knowing that you are the a hole. Yeah, but 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.399 Peter did. Even if you have the moral high ground, 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:56.119 you're wrong. So Peter realized that and really respected it. 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.160 Was like, but he did a good job of explaining, Hey, yeah, 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.800 I was intimate and I hate that. Now I'm outing 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.080 and by the way, now he has to out. He 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.360 didn't get into specifics, but the girls are now being 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.360 at it. Now he's doing a disservice to these women. Yeah, 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.520 for a very private so there was. It's really one 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.080 of the Again, one of the things I love about 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.520 this show is the social dynamic and the things that 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.560