Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody Happy Tuesday? Another episode of Bachelor Happy Out?
Speaker 1: Can I before we get into everything, I just want
Speaker 1: to set the mood here. I don't want to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to be as professional as possible because
Speaker 1: I have Bachelor Nation Royalty sitting across from me in
Speaker 1: the room. I'm gonna try to put on my good hat. Becca.
Speaker 1: I know you share the same frustrations with me. I
Speaker 1: just want to to say that off the top. You
Speaker 1: know how we like to name every episode. I feel
Speaker 1: like I want to name this episode. Am I missing something?
Speaker 1: Question mark? I was gonna name it wt app exclamation
Speaker 1: mark that works as well. Oh no, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say it's been crazy. We keep saying it. It's crazier
Speaker 1: and crazier, and this episode finally, I was like, I
Speaker 1: need to take a moment away from the screen. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll get into this because I want to get straight
Speaker 1: to the podcast. I was about to say, I have
Speaker 1: so many notes, and I think I was just venting
Speaker 1: my frustration out in my notes this week, but we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about it. I'm so glad to have
Speaker 1: you here. I know you're on the road. We've been
Speaker 1: following along everything that you're doing with Finn and Baucher
Speaker 1: live on stage. I know you have your family there,
Speaker 1: Minnow's there, Garrett's there with you right now. How's everything going, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's been so much fun. It has been a much
Speaker 1: crazier adventure than I could ever imagine, but it's been great.
Speaker 1: So we are currently on the tour bus calling in.
Speaker 1: We are driving through Salt Lake City as we speak,
Speaker 1: but Minnow has already claimed the title as the official
Speaker 1: Diva of the tour bus. Of course. Ar it's been uh,
Speaker 1: you know, hog into Betty to Night, but it's been
Speaker 1: very fun, good. I'm glad. I'm I can't wait to
Speaker 1: join you whenever that may be, but soon. I know
Speaker 1: we have to get to it because we don't. We
Speaker 1: don't get to do this every day. It is not
Speaker 1: every day that we get to have a legend on
Speaker 1: our podcast. I don't know who we are, what we
Speaker 1: did I to deserve to have the one and only
Speaker 1: mister Chris Harrison, also known as our fairy godfather on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Chris, thank you for joining us, ladies, thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. I have to say, first and foremost,
Speaker 1: your effing ring is huge. I'm just we're seeing I'm
Speaker 1: saying across from Rachel right now. And I know you
Speaker 1: guys can't see this. Your ring is insane. Thank you
Speaker 1: that up again. I don't know if I've ever seen
Speaker 1: a wedding. If you ask, I can definitely will Lord,
Speaker 1: thank you, Chris. That is massive. Becca. You better get
Speaker 1: you better. You better get at least that. Becca shines
Speaker 1: as well. Um. And by the way, good to be
Speaker 1: here in Becca. I know you're on the road. Congrats
Speaker 1: to you and Ben. I know you guys are crushing
Speaker 1: it out there. I'm hearing good things. Uh. And Rachel
Speaker 1: says she wants to join you guys for a month
Speaker 1: or south. Can't wait, thanks, but we do. I know
Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about with this episode,
Speaker 1: so I don't even know where we start, though, I
Speaker 1: want to pick your brain so badly. I'm here. I mean,
Speaker 1: you were there in the heat of it. If we're
Speaker 1: frustrated as viewers watching this, I can only imagine what
Speaker 1: it was like to record this. You were there for
Speaker 1: a week. We only get two hours of this, so
Speaker 1: we were there, yeah, two weeks in Australia going through
Speaker 1: this whole thing, and it was it was an interesting
Speaker 1: season and journey with you know, speaking to two women
Speaker 1: who I have gone through this with it, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no there's nothing to compare it. And I know
Speaker 1: I often say like, look, I can't compare seasons. You know,
Speaker 1: Rachel season to Becca season to whoever is totally different.
Speaker 1: But this season was so different on so many levels.
Speaker 1: Going through it with Peter interesting. He's an interesting guy
Speaker 1: and he's a good man. But you know, we'll get
Speaker 1: into these relationships, and I think that one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I love the show is we've all had certain
Speaker 1: relationships like this, and it was just interesting to watch
Speaker 1: Peter go through it. Which relationship are you referring to, Chris,
Speaker 1: all of them, because they all really stand for some
Speaker 1: thing very different. They really do bats our Nation. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get as much as I can out of calls.
Speaker 1: By the way, this lid is going to pop off
Speaker 1: the steam pot and Rachel's going to go off, and
Speaker 1: I am here for it. I'm brewing, I say it.
Speaker 1: I know the look in her eye. That's one thing
Speaker 1: I do remember, is that look in her eye as
Speaker 1: things were about to go off and this cattle is
Speaker 1: about to blow. Well, I'm just confused. If I had
Speaker 1: a subtitle to this episode, it would be compete. Just
Speaker 1: catch a break? I mean, can the man get one
Speaker 1: day off? And it seems every week he's going through something,
Speaker 1: And just when we think, all right, it's fantasy suits,
Speaker 1: here we are. He's down his final three, He's confident
Speaker 1: in his decision. He can explore these relationships to another level.
Speaker 1: Because this really really is an important week. Forget what
Speaker 1: fantasy suits means to everyone else. This is the opportunity
Speaker 1: for you to have that alone time that you so
Speaker 1: desperately need at this point in the journey, so you
Speaker 1: can make decisions that you need to move on. And
Speaker 1: the one person who seems to be the most level
Speaker 1: headed and normal is cracking. So Becca, let's just pick
Speaker 1: up where we left off at the end of last week.
Speaker 1: So we see Madison pulled Peter aside, she has this
Speaker 1: talk with him. Now, I was a bit surprised at
Speaker 1: what she said in that talk. What did you think? Becca?
Speaker 1: So my issue and I'm glad that she I think
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this to come up, because obviously
Speaker 1: in Rachel, you and I had touched face on this
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. Like, we knew that Madison was
Speaker 1: saving herself. We knew that this was a conversation that
Speaker 1: was about to go down. Was the timing the best?
Speaker 1: Probably not? But my thing watching her conversation with Theater
Speaker 1: is there wasn't really like I didn't know where she
Speaker 1: was going with it. She basically said, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: saving myself. Like what it seemed like was an ultimatum,
Speaker 1: but there wasn't any hard, set fast conclusion from it.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like, wow, this is how
Speaker 1: I feel. Do what you want, And it's kind of
Speaker 1: left open, like, Okay, where is he supposed to go
Speaker 1: from here? How is he supposed to take this? Like,
Speaker 1: of course there's three of you lesson he's having started
Speaker 1: feeling for I was just left wanting more and if
Speaker 1: it's been such a big deal for her, I wanted
Speaker 1: hurtance to what's the state what she was hoping for?
Speaker 1: But did I miss something She didn't say in that
Speaker 1: conversation that she was saving herself And I was screaming
Speaker 1: it it's so unfair. I'm going to get to it
Speaker 1: when we get to this part about Madison in Fantasy
Speaker 1: Sweet Weeks, but she's talking about her faith she's talking
Speaker 1: all around the subject, but she's not being direct as
Speaker 1: to what's so important with her. So how can Peter
Speaker 1: make a fully educated decision when you're holding on to
Speaker 1: something that's so vital to this week? So she tells him.
Speaker 1: She keeps saying, but I'm not giving you an ultimatum,
Speaker 1: you know, my heart, and then literally defined ultimatum. Thank you, Chris,
Speaker 1: you are Everything you're saying is an ultimatum. She said
Speaker 1: several times, this is not an ultimatum, but then literally
Speaker 1: defined in every word she said, an ultimatum. And she
Speaker 1: did that throughout, you know, the entire episode. They're dating everything.
Speaker 1: But if you do this, then this that is an ultimatum, Mattie,
Speaker 1: and for anybody else who's confused on the definition of
Speaker 1: an ultimatum, cause and effect, you do this, this will happen.
Speaker 1: It is so nice to have conversations with a level headed,
Speaker 1: logical people. And to Madison's credit or to her defense
Speaker 1: or whatever, I think she knew what she wanted to
Speaker 1: say at the airport after that Rose ceremony, and maybe
Speaker 1: she just didn't know how to say it. She couldn't articulate.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of Victoria trying to have the conversation
Speaker 1: on the doorstep after the hometown date of they're not
Speaker 1: saying words, and they're not putting those words together into sentences,
Speaker 1: and those sentences are definitely not conveying any thoughts. And
Speaker 1: that is difficult to follow, especially when you're trying to
Speaker 1: make big life choices. And so Madison, I I knew
Speaker 1: where she was trying to go, but man, she couldn't
Speaker 1: get there, and Peter didn't know where she was trying
Speaker 1: to go. And I think that's what's so hard. And
Speaker 1: I'll pose this question to both you and Chris. Becca,
Speaker 1: why do you think it was so my theory? But
Speaker 1: why do you think it's so difficult for Madison to
Speaker 1: say this? Because this is who she is. She has
Speaker 1: defined herself as you know, being faith based. She's a Christian.
Speaker 1: These are her morals and her values. And she was
Speaker 1: very matter of fact when she had that conversation with
Speaker 1: Peter on their second date, week seven. Why is it
Speaker 1: so hard for her to say, but I'm also saving
Speaker 1: myself for marriage. Why can't she make that declarative statement.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it, and I'm looking for help. I'll
Speaker 1: just say this for her and this is a conversation
Speaker 1: I really want to have with her at some point.
Speaker 1: Obviously we don't know how this ends, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: with her and Peter, maybe it's just with her. However
Speaker 1: this turns out, I want to have a conversation because
Speaker 1: she has a difficult time, as you said, articulating a
Speaker 1: very strong belief and so there is a not a hypocrisy,
Speaker 1: but I don't know a divide there because a hypocrisy
Speaker 1: has such a negative connotation. I want to put a
Speaker 1: negative connotation on this because I respect her thoughts, I
Speaker 1: respect her feelings, and it's just being able to express
Speaker 1: something that's so strong in your heart and in your soul.
Speaker 1: I don't know why she has trouble and she really
Speaker 1: won't make that statement that you were talking about of Hey,
Speaker 1: this is where I am in my life and my faith.
Speaker 1: If anyone is going to take this journey with me,
Speaker 1: you got to be on this same walk. Period. Look, yes,
Speaker 1: that's an ultimatum. But by the way, I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with ultimatums. If that is where you are,
Speaker 1: then that's fine. And if this relationship doesn't go along
Speaker 1: with those standards, then we go our separate ways. It's
Speaker 1: the fact that they can't have that conversation is what
Speaker 1: frustrates I think everybody, and I think it's incumbent upon
Speaker 1: her to figure out how to have those conversations at
Speaker 1: some point in her life and truly understand what she's
Speaker 1: asking and what she's saying. That's right, And I think,
Speaker 1: so I grew up Catholic, so I feel like I
Speaker 1: and I could be totally up face. I don't want
Speaker 1: to put work in Madison's mouth or her family, but
Speaker 1: growing up as a Catholic, it's kind of like that
Speaker 1: you just don't talk about it. There are certain words
Speaker 1: that it's like, you don't want to say sex, you
Speaker 1: don't want to say virgin. And again, I don't know
Speaker 1: what her face is if she is Catholics enough, but
Speaker 1: I know a lot of it gets brushed under the
Speaker 1: word growing up, and I think that could have something
Speaker 1: to do with it. It's like we saw her sit
Speaker 1: down with her mom at hometowns and her mom kind
Speaker 1: of skirted around the fact of her face too, and
Speaker 1: that she did save herself. But those words aren't being used,
Speaker 1: those declarative statements aren't being used, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if that has a lot to do with her faith,
Speaker 1: if it's just something you don't talk about with other
Speaker 1: people because it is so sacred. But we've seen it,
Speaker 1: not only know with Madison, but a lot of the
Speaker 1: girls serves this season. They don't know how to have
Speaker 1: these deep conversations with that depth, with certain words, with
Speaker 1: certain burbage, with these declarative statements that kind of skirt
Speaker 1: around the facts, with their conversations with Peter. And I
Speaker 1: think he finally see it because with him throughout the
Speaker 1: entire episode with Peter and Madison, he keeps saying, just
Speaker 1: so I can be clear, Just so I can be clear,
Speaker 1: I need to be clear here. He uses that phrase
Speaker 1: so many times throughout this because he can't quite get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of what exact data she wants and
Speaker 1: what she's saying. This is what bothers me. We're just
Speaker 1: going to get into it. This is what bothers me
Speaker 1: about her not saying it one. It doesn't give Peter
Speaker 1: the full information that he needs to make to have
Speaker 1: the right mindset to go into this week. I don't
Speaker 1: understand why she's holding back. What are you so fearful of?
Speaker 1: And I think you were saying you don't want to say,
Speaker 1: Chris that she's being a hypocrite because it is a
Speaker 1: strong word. So I think it's a contradiction. You sit
Speaker 1: here on week seven and you say this is who
Speaker 1: you are, but then you don't tell him all of
Speaker 1: who you are, so you're it's like, what are you
Speaker 1: so fearful of? And I guess it's like, if this
Speaker 1: is these are your morals, this is your value. It's
Speaker 1: beautiful that you have made these commitments and this is
Speaker 1: what you live by. And I love that you hold
Speaker 1: yourself to that standard and you believe in it. I
Speaker 1: think that's beautiful. I just think that if this is
Speaker 1: who you are, then you wear it proud, and you
Speaker 1: wear it like a badge, and you wear it because
Speaker 1: you want to attract a certain type of man, because
Speaker 1: that is what you want for yourself. And I almost
Speaker 1: feel like she's trying to turn Peter into a man
Speaker 1: that she wants that he's not in Becca. You and
Speaker 1: I talked about this how a lot of times as women,
Speaker 1: we think we can change you. Oh, we can will
Speaker 1: make excuses for him, I can make him better. And
Speaker 1: I just think if you're not telling him and you're
Speaker 1: holding back from it, one I think it's selfish because
Speaker 1: it's not fair to him, it's not fair to the
Speaker 1: other women. It's not fair that you've come this far
Speaker 1: in the journey and you're holding this information back. So
Speaker 1: why are you holding it back? I am going to
Speaker 1: say what other people are probably too afraid to say.
Speaker 1: If I'm putting on my logical hat and I think
Speaker 1: about this, why are you holding it back? Because we
Speaker 1: all know you want a Christian man. There are so
Speaker 1: many ways to meet a Christian church mission trip through
Speaker 1: mutual friends, you know, one way to not really meet
Speaker 1: them The Bachelor. Let's just be honest. The Bachelor isn't
Speaker 1: a show that stands on Christian values. It doesn't. It's
Speaker 1: not rooted in the Bible and biblical beliefs. So why
Speaker 1: are you coming on this show? Knowing how this show works.
Speaker 1: We all know that you get to this point in
Speaker 1: fantasy sweet week, So to be logical, well, at the
Speaker 1: very least you know that he was with Hannah many
Speaker 1: times over. I mean that was a pretty so you
Speaker 1: at least know this guy is not that. And the
Speaker 1: thing is, he's actually a faithful person. He is a
Speaker 1: man of faith in his own way. Yeah, but not
Speaker 1: in your way and you you knew that coming in
Speaker 1: this is this is Peter sex and a win, Peter
Speaker 1: four times in a windmill. Peter, you knew this. This
Speaker 1: isn't sean lower Ben Higgins like he has been sexualized
Speaker 1: coming onto this season. Right, Yeah, you decided to come on.
Speaker 1: So for me, the logical thing is one, you came
Speaker 1: on because you just wanted to be a part of
Speaker 1: this experience. Two, you came on this show because you
Speaker 1: wanted the platform that it was going to give you.
Speaker 1: Had you told him earlier that you were saving yourself
Speaker 1: for marriage, maybe you were fearful that he would send
Speaker 1: you home and you wouldn't make it as far as
Speaker 1: you did. You wouldn't be in Australia, you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: the number of followers that you have, or three you
Speaker 1: want to be the bacherette got you got to a
Speaker 1: point where you made it far enough to be in consideration.
Speaker 1: That is the only logical thing I can think of,
Speaker 1: because I don't understand why you haven't shared this information
Speaker 1: because it was you're definitely not setting yourself up or
Speaker 1: Peter up to succeed. Yeah, set him up to fail. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you set the relationship up to fail. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: wait to tell him this information and then you hold
Speaker 1: it against him. I am Florida. We don't know if
Speaker 1: she leaves, if she's days, but if she leaves, it
Speaker 1: is so I'll say it hypocritical, a contradiction to hold
Speaker 1: that against him when you withheld this information from him,
Speaker 1: knowing what this show is and knowing who Peter is.
Speaker 1: Say what you will about luke P last year at
Speaker 1: least at least he was who he was from day one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know then it was up to Hannah to
Speaker 1: decide is he misogynistic? Is he all those things that
Speaker 1: you know, people realize later, But hey, he was like
Speaker 1: that from day one? Right, he didn't change, right, And
Speaker 1: I to I will say this about luke P, and
Speaker 1: I said it to him. I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with you. I don't have a problem with your faith
Speaker 1: or any you know. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: were jumping on the bandwagon of well he was you know,
Speaker 1: Hannah's sex positive and go girl and all this. Well
Speaker 1: is it the same? Right? Is Peter going to be
Speaker 1: treated the same and as Madison going to be villainized
Speaker 1: the same way luke P was? Yeah, it's not it's
Speaker 1: not completely dissimilar. No, I I was going to ask
Speaker 1: both of you this question. Becca, Yeah, do you think
Speaker 1: that albody's starting to see it? If you've reads a
Speaker 1: little bit of social media, there is a bit of
Speaker 1: a double standard. What do you think about that? Becca? Oh?
Speaker 1: Totally And watching this episode go down, that's the first
Speaker 1: thought I had when Madison started talking to him, I'm like,
Speaker 1: is she going to get an edit like Luke P?
Speaker 1: Or are people going to rally behind her? Because that
Speaker 1: doesn't make that like basically they're saying the same things.
Speaker 1: Maybe Luke P approached it in a different way that
Speaker 1: seemed more harsh, but like, in reality, these are very
Speaker 1: similar situations. And so if you're gonna rat like villainized
Speaker 1: Luke for how he handled it with hand, it's like
Speaker 1: Madison's basically doing the same thing. Maybe she's just approaching
Speaker 1: it a little bit nice, so tiptoeing her at the fact.
Speaker 1: But you know, basically they both said, we don't want
Speaker 1: to go into pantasue if you you stuck with other people.
Speaker 1: So where is society right now? Right? Will a will
Speaker 1: a woman, very sweet, dominutive woman from Alabama get a
Speaker 1: much wider birth and a much bigger grace area. And
Speaker 1: this guy it is easy to beat on. It's easy
Speaker 1: to beat on a guy, especially right now. Will she
Speaker 1: get the same treatment? And that's that's gonna be very interesting.
Speaker 1: That's why I was going to ask, you know, two
Speaker 1: women who have been through this before, how you think
Speaker 1: this is going to go down and if actually it
Speaker 1: might even be reversed and Peter is going to be
Speaker 1: the bad guy. I think that what people have to
Speaker 1: do is separated. I think you have to say, you know,
Speaker 1: Luke was a villain the whole season. Madison has been
Speaker 1: the complete opposite from that. But I think what where
Speaker 1: both Madison and Luke pe went wrong? Is there timing
Speaker 1: and delivery of this whole situation, And that's what you
Speaker 1: have to look at. That's what's the selfish act, that's
Speaker 1: what's judgmental, and that's what's not fair. Madison was wrong,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, to wait till this point to tell
Speaker 1: him something that she's known from day one. When as
Speaker 1: soon as you felt those feelings going in week four
Speaker 1: or five, yeah, hometown's plenty of time to have those conversations.
Speaker 1: The moment he said I'm falling in love with you right,
Speaker 1: it's just something you need to know, something you need
Speaker 1: to know. And luke P waited until this point to
Speaker 1: express his thoughts as well. That is why they're similar.
Speaker 1: That's all you know. When people are like, oh, Luke
Speaker 1: put piece of villain, how dare you compare? Because people
Speaker 1: are already saying how dare you compare Madison to luke P.
Speaker 1: I think that's what you have to look at how
Speaker 1: they delivered. Take away some of the things that luke
Speaker 1: P said and did early on. There were some misogynistic
Speaker 1: moves and say like, I think I'm just taking this
Speaker 1: one small snapshot towards the end where they both really
Speaker 1: were just relying in falling back on their beliefs and
Speaker 1: in their faith, and that was the decision. I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with either one, by the way, if
Speaker 1: that is your decision. But it's like you said, timing
Speaker 1: when and where you had that conversation, you're setting these
Speaker 1: people up that you truly care about. You say, you're
Speaker 1: setting them up for failure. There's no way Peter could
Speaker 1: not fail with that ultimatum. Yeah, as a man, Chris,
Speaker 1: as a man, the male opinion, what how do you
Speaker 1: take that information? Like you're you put yourself in as
Speaker 1: best as you can. In Peter's situation, you do what
Speaker 1: he did. You take the moral high road. You can
Speaker 1: only fall on yourself getting out of the way of
Speaker 1: that situation. You know you he did, right. I respect
Speaker 1: your decision, I respect everything you're saying, and then just
Speaker 1: be completely honest with her, which he did. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's all you can do. I was so proud of him,
Speaker 1: because you're just the bad guy. You are the bad guy,
Speaker 1: and every guy knows that you are in the wrong.
Speaker 1: When you walk into a situation, you are in the wrong. Period.
Speaker 1: It don't matter what the situation is, especially, it's just
Speaker 1: the way it is, especially in this day and age.
Speaker 1: And you know you're under the microscope, and so you're
Speaker 1: gonna be man explaining, You're going to be you know,
Speaker 1: sexually oppressing her whatever it is. You are the bad guy,
Speaker 1: ye know that. Yeah, And not enough guys going to
Speaker 1: conversations knowing that you are the a hole. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Peter did. Even if you have the moral high ground,
Speaker 1: you're wrong. So Peter realized that and really respected it.
Speaker 1: Was like, but he did a good job of explaining, Hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was intimate and I hate that. Now I'm outing
Speaker 1: and by the way, now he has to out. He
Speaker 1: didn't get into specifics, but the girls are now being
Speaker 1: at it. Now he's doing a disservice to these women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for a very private so there was. It's really one
Speaker 1: of the Again, one of the things I love about
Speaker 1: this show is the social dynamic and the things that
Speaker 1: this brings up. Yeah, the talk and the debates we're
Speaker 1: going to be having out of this now, we're fascinating. Now.
Speaker 1: It's like more and more it's happening. Each season there's
Speaker 1: some type of aspect like this. It's just saying the
Speaker 1: social aspect that we're discussing, and it brings on a
Speaker 1: bigger conversation. I just I was. I was proud of
Speaker 1: Peter and Becky, I want to know your take on
Speaker 1: this too. I was so proud of him for being
Speaker 1: honest when it was hard for even saying to her,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm glad that's you and I respect
Speaker 1: that and I love that you've made that commitment, but
Speaker 1: that's not me. Say go ahead, Peter heads up three
Speaker 1: weeks ago would have been great, but he didn't even
Speaker 1: say that. He just wore it. He owned it. He was,
Speaker 1: and he's gutted. Obviously, this is all he really cares about.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't have made it this far, and to have
Speaker 1: the rug pulled out from under you like that is
Speaker 1: it's do you guys know? It's devastating. I have a question,
Speaker 1: and this is what I was thinking the entire time. Well,
Speaker 1: first let me start out by saying I would hate
Speaker 1: to have beend these girls this week, because I have
Speaker 1: never seen three of the girls after hometowns befoced to
Speaker 1: live with one another again, especially during Fantasy free weeks.
Speaker 1: That's that is rough good point in itself. I was
Speaker 1: watching this and you know, I'm not the biggest fan
Speaker 1: of some of these girls. That's no surprise. But at
Speaker 1: some point they also need to be protective. This is
Speaker 1: hard enough knowing that the person you are dating and
Speaker 1: falling in love with is spending the night with other women,
Speaker 1: and to see them come home in the mornings and
Speaker 1: to have to talk about it is brutal. And so
Speaker 1: I really felt bad for these girls this time. But
Speaker 1: I'm watching this week and right away I knew I was, like,
Speaker 1: Madison is going to get the last date. There's no
Speaker 1: surprise there. They're gonna bring these other girls out with him.
Speaker 1: They're going to bring them home, and they're gonna dangle
Speaker 1: these girls in their conversations. And what happened in front
Speaker 1: of medicine. But I would love to know what would
Speaker 1: have happened if it was reversed. What if Madison first
Speaker 1: had that one on one night with him. What would
Speaker 1: have happened if she would have went in and still said,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to send this an interrupted alone
Speaker 1: to him with you get to know you. I'm sure
Speaker 1: obviously they wouldn't have such together, but she would have
Speaker 1: still just spent the time with him. What would have happened?
Speaker 1: Then if she went back to the hotel and these
Speaker 1: other two girls and had to proceed on their face
Speaker 1: with him, how would this have ended? The same? He
Speaker 1: would have been the same, would have left well, although
Speaker 1: it probably would have happened a week later or even worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was. She was spiraling out of control from the beginning.
Speaker 1: But Chris, I literally wrote this down in my notes. Chris,
Speaker 1: why are they all living together? Well? Good questions. Well,
Speaker 1: you two have been through this, so you actually have
Speaker 1: the perspective. There are times when no matter how great
Speaker 1: you are and you both were great bachelorettes, but you
Speaker 1: can't get out of your own way, and that's part
Speaker 1: of why you're single. And you know, Peter, for example,
Speaker 1: has trouble making decisions. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: have noticed that UM talked is yeah, the king of
Speaker 1: kicking the can down the road. Heaven forbid you make
Speaker 1: a decision. But so this you know, there are things
Speaker 1: that we do as producers that will force you into
Speaker 1: this uncomfortable zone and force you into making a decision.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we do it for your behalf, sometimes we do
Speaker 1: it for the for the bachelor, the the guys with
Speaker 1: the girls. And this situation was pretty extraordinary because Peter
Speaker 1: had kicked the can down the road, but this time
Speaker 1: also Madison had and so this was to force a
Speaker 1: situation that had to happen, and it had to happen
Speaker 1: this week because if we get to proposal week, then
Speaker 1: this guy is really screwed and there's no chance this works.
Speaker 1: We got to figure this out and there's really only
Speaker 1: one way to do it. And so yeah, it was
Speaker 1: tough love and it was really awkward. And again, as
Speaker 1: you know, in the history of the show, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we've ever done this, but we decided to
Speaker 1: do it this week because these are conversations that needed
Speaker 1: to be had and it was because of I think
Speaker 1: the double standard and the things that Peter was going
Speaker 1: to deal with. We kind of needed the women's perspective
Speaker 1: on this. We needed Madison to face Victoria and Hannah
Speaker 1: Ann and have them express their emotions on this, because again,
Speaker 1: it's just this guy in his perspective and I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's the greatest thing right now. And so
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting and look revisionist history. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was right or wrong. That'll be
Speaker 1: up to Bachelor Nation and you know, on behalf of
Speaker 1: bachel Nation, thank you. Yeah, And so it just forced
Speaker 1: a situation that needed to be forced in a conversation
Speaker 1: that had to be had. And I found it interesting
Speaker 1: to have Victoria and Hannah Anne's perspective and I thought
Speaker 1: they were great of Hey, I understand what's going on here,
Speaker 1: and this is important and this guy needs to really
Speaker 1: suss all of us out before he makes a big decision.
Speaker 1: And so I think it was a glaring, you know,
Speaker 1: spotlight on what Madison was an understanding about this. I
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it and you and I love
Speaker 1: your explanation because I'm like, that is what we needed,
Speaker 1: whether you knew you needed it or not, and we
Speaker 1: got it. We got it. Mother. It was awkward for them,
Speaker 1: hard to watch. It was what was necessary to push
Speaker 1: this journey forward. I appreciated it because if we had
Speaker 1: done that, if the girls on my season, Beck, I
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but if the girls on my
Speaker 1: season had done it, Me, Vaness and Raven, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been awkward. They would have been hysterical. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I remember saying to Raven, we were like, are we
Speaker 1: gonna be Eskimo sisters? So we would have been excited
Speaker 1: if we could have come back and talk about what
Speaker 1: happened in fantasy suits. These girls, that's that's not them.
Speaker 1: They don't they don't have that that same bond I
Speaker 1: think that I had on my season, Becca, and that
Speaker 1: you had on your season. They don't with your Lady,
Speaker 1: they don't have that bond. There's there's not I don't
Speaker 1: see a lot of bff's coming out of this season.
Speaker 1: And maybe that has to do with their age or
Speaker 1: their emotional intelligence. I don't know, but there's no I
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of that sisterhood that I've seen
Speaker 1: in seasons past and before. I do want to move
Speaker 1: on because you mentioned Hannah Ann and Victoria, who I
Speaker 1: was for the first time this whole season impressed with
Speaker 1: this episode. Well, the Victoria, they're SMA, but I was
Speaker 1: impressed with the way they handled the entire week in situation.
Speaker 1: But you mentioned the sisterhood, and I said all of that,
Speaker 1: and now I have forgotten my question. Oh, Becka and
Speaker 1: I were talking about how the key to success on
Speaker 1: this show isn't just the relationship that you have with
Speaker 1: the lead. It's the relationships you make in the house
Speaker 1: and with the brotherhood or sisterhood, because that's who you
Speaker 1: spend a majority of your time with and you need
Speaker 1: that circle of support to get you through it. Is
Speaker 1: that kind of how you feel and what was lacking
Speaker 1: this season? Yeah, Well, I'm just I was trying to
Speaker 1: think if there was a probably been Flannic season. Off
Speaker 1: the top of my head, was the last time a
Speaker 1: real black sheet someone who went rogue dominated the season
Speaker 1: and actually, you know, unquote one or ended up with
Speaker 1: the guy. I was trying to think if someone since then,
Speaker 1: But I think that's it where the quote unquote villain
Speaker 1: dominated and actually got what she wanted. Other than that,
Speaker 1: it really is you need that support system and you
Speaker 1: need to be propped up and shown in a good light.
Speaker 1: And that's usually the case. You know, usually the person
Speaker 1: won't be attracted to someone who's not getting that respect
Speaker 1: in the house, and usually kind of one begets the other.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's I can only think of one time
Speaker 1: in history where that's really happened. Yeah, so people are
Speaker 1: mad at us from last week because we only talked
Speaker 1: about Victoria Fuller's hometown because would you not. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that was where the juice was because she didn't even
Speaker 1: have one. So we'll make sure that where we heard you.
Speaker 1: We hear you when you listen when you write us
Speaker 1: into us and you dm us, you comment. So we
Speaker 1: are going to cover the other Fantasy Suite dates, even
Speaker 1: though Madison's is where the juicy part is. So Hannah
Speaker 1: Ann gets the first date and you know it's I
Speaker 1: don't know Becca or Chris, whoever wants to take this.
Speaker 1: I was impressed with Hannah Anne. I know she's kind
Speaker 1: of had a bad rap at the beginning, and she's
Speaker 1: very confident and I think some people. To some people,
Speaker 1: that comes off as smug, but she made it easy
Speaker 1: for Peter and he needed that and I loved that
Speaker 1: she gave that to him. I think Hannah Anne she
Speaker 1: surprised me a little bit this week. I have two
Speaker 1: things that I wanted to touch on with her because
Speaker 1: number One, as you said, she made it easy, and
Speaker 1: that's really what people need this week. That's why I
Speaker 1: remember leaving Garrett stay in the few suite, because we
Speaker 1: just laughed and coughed and had the best time. And
Speaker 1: up until that point, it's so stressful, it's so anxiety
Speaker 1: written that to just have somebody who gets it and
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you know, I'm here for you. I
Speaker 1: understand that. As tough as it is to see you
Speaker 1: go to two other fantasy suits with two other women,
Speaker 1: like you need to do what you have to do
Speaker 1: to adust all avenues of your huge relationships to make
Speaker 1: the best decision for yourself at the end. And I
Speaker 1: appreciated her saying that to him, and her saying you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of this, like, I'm still here for you.
Speaker 1: I understand, And I think that helped him. Now my
Speaker 1: thing with Hannah Anne, and maybe I'm just being too
Speaker 1: nitpicky here. But she does not have the face or
Speaker 1: she doesn't look at Peter me personally, I think there's
Speaker 1: like she's in love with him, Like it's not the
Speaker 1: face of a girl in love, Hannah, and I is
Speaker 1: that just? Yes, I Yannah Anne. I think she wants too,
Speaker 1: and I think she likes him and likes the idea
Speaker 1: of all this, but I don't really think it's fully
Speaker 1: there for her like she's saying it is. And maybe
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm just picking it apart, because there's moments
Speaker 1: for Peter, like there's a dinner table and she's saying
Speaker 1: or she's saying, you know, I love you, or I'm
Speaker 1: falling in love with you, and she's just kind of
Speaker 1: it's like there's not that giddy excitement. And maybe that
Speaker 1: was just me that that's how I feel when I
Speaker 1: feel I love but there was just something. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's all add enough for me here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I can see how it kind of seems
Speaker 1: a little bit of a puppy love relationship. But I
Speaker 1: mean one thing, and Becca, you know this, when you
Speaker 1: get to this point in the season, you don't want
Speaker 1: to have to question anybody's commitment to you, and so
Speaker 1: I appreciate that Hannah Anne is allowing him to or
Speaker 1: letting him know this is where I stand, this is
Speaker 1: how I feel I'm going to be here. I'm confident
Speaker 1: in us, and the other two girls that he has
Speaker 1: left are not giving him that. So I really think
Speaker 1: Hannah Anne stepped up in a way we haven't seen, frankly,
Speaker 1: from any of his top rough what's the word the
Speaker 1: top runners? I don't know why, thank you? I was
Speaker 1: gonna say four runners. I think I think Hannah Anne
Speaker 1: became the new Madison. And like you said, one thing
Speaker 1: I've noticed in the history of this show is it
Speaker 1: is the ones that will make life a little easier
Speaker 1: on you. Now we'll get into Peter and Victoria, because
Speaker 1: that's a very interesting relationship that I have a lot
Speaker 1: of theories on, and he's very different in that way.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, when you guys go through this,
Speaker 1: the guy's and the girls, it is those that will,
Speaker 1: you know, let the air out of the balloon and
Speaker 1: they can just relax with you and make it easy.
Speaker 1: And Madison has done that for Peter this entire time. Well,
Speaker 1: now Hannah Ann is doing that. So I think she
Speaker 1: is kind of the new Madison. And that's why I
Speaker 1: think she really shine this week. Is it was just easy.
Speaker 1: It was so simple, and I thought it was loving.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really sweet, and I thought she
Speaker 1: expressed herself finally really did a good job of articulating
Speaker 1: her feelings in love. And so for the first time
Speaker 1: I really believed in her. I did too articulating. Something
Speaker 1: else has been missing this sea talking yes word, we
Speaker 1: don't use much season Victoria. F let's get into her
Speaker 1: because we mentioned her now I have. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of things that have bothered me when it comes
Speaker 1: to Victoria, but I finally got what it is. She
Speaker 1: doesn't look you in the eye when she talks to you,
Speaker 1: and I think that is very telling. Even when Peter's talking, right,
Speaker 1: she looks down, Yeah, like how does how would that
Speaker 1: make you feel? I mean, I like I'm the same way.
Speaker 1: I like eye contact as well. Here's the thing with Victoria,
Speaker 1: explain we want to I only know this because of
Speaker 1: my own missteps in life, in my own relationships. But
Speaker 1: I had two conversations with two men in the last
Speaker 1: five days who basically defined the same relationship. Peter is
Speaker 1: in with Victoria that is, and I guarantee the two
Speaker 1: of you have had these as well. You get to
Speaker 1: a point I did after my divorce of a crazy
Speaker 1: chemistry relationship. It's on fire. I mean, it's you know,
Speaker 1: on a level you don't even understand, and it's coming
Speaker 1: at you and it's a thousand degrees and you've never
Speaker 1: had that kind of passion before. Well, that can't be it,
Speaker 1: and it's not sustainable. And the quote of the season
Speaker 1: might be when Peter said, and everything in our relationship
Speaker 1: is great, yes, but we don't communicate welly. So when
Speaker 1: I saw that, I thought, you know what, that just
Speaker 1: completely explained everything about this relationship. And I will admit
Speaker 1: I've had a relationship like that too post divorce. It
Speaker 1: was hot, it was heavy, it was this crazy chemistry
Speaker 1: I hadn't had in a long time. And I'm like wow,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is not working out and it's
Speaker 1: so volatile and it's so wrong on so many levels.
Speaker 1: And it's the relationship. Your friends are going, what are
Speaker 1: you thinking? And you break up and then what do
Speaker 1: you do? You get back in? Yeah, and you do
Speaker 1: it again, and then your first thought is why the
Speaker 1: hell am I back in this relationship. Now I got
Speaker 1: to break up again. But I swear to you. In
Speaker 1: the last week, I've had two conversations with two other
Speaker 1: guys who were in the same situation, and from the outside,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, this is Peter in Victoria. He can't help himself.
Speaker 1: She is not only the drug he needs. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: also kryptonite. Yeah, he wants a fantasy sweeter if we
Speaker 1: said it last week, but it's not as simple yet
Speaker 1: he does. I think it goes beyond that. It's just
Speaker 1: it's that relationship you want to fix, you want to save,
Speaker 1: because God, it's so good when it's good, but when
Speaker 1: it's bad, it's just sewage. See. This is why it's
Speaker 1: great to have the mal opinion. You know what I mean. Becca.
Speaker 1: We couldn't have said it this way. We couldn't have
Speaker 1: and I actually now understand a lot better. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's okay, but thanks, Chris. But we've all been there.
Speaker 1: I've done it. I've been there, done that. I have
Speaker 1: the sweatshirt the girl three times. Now I have to
Speaker 1: ask you this, Chris, because again, the title of this
Speaker 1: episode is am I missing something? The conversation that Victoria
Speaker 1: and Peter have that evening. She continues to say I
Speaker 1: don't know more times than I could count. I ran
Speaker 1: out of fingers. This is when he pressed her and said,
Speaker 1: what was it about this last relationship that you didn't
Speaker 1: feel good enough? And she all she kept saying was
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then towards the end of it,
Speaker 1: as they're you know, they're reading the card from you,
Speaker 1: they're getting the key, He's like, this is the best
Speaker 1: conversation that we've ever had, and I'm going to curse here.
Speaker 1: I was like, bitch, where where was this conversation? Did
Speaker 1: we miss something? Because because and then the best quote
Speaker 1: was we haven't fought yet. That was it. That's why
Speaker 1: it was so good. Did they hadn't tried to kill
Speaker 1: each other? Well, this is the time to have that
Speaker 1: heated passion, so you can take that into the fantasy suite.
Speaker 1: But they that was it. They hadn't yelled at each other.
Speaker 1: And but you know, again you see the emotion when
Speaker 1: she can't what's the word, articulate her feelings when he
Speaker 1: says what was it about this last relationship? And then
Speaker 1: she go back to sitting on the stoop at the
Speaker 1: hometowns when she couldn't complete a sentence there and really
Speaker 1: explain what was happening, and she never really said anything.
Speaker 1: And then she looks at me and and says, you got it,
Speaker 1: you understand, and you just want them to go. No,
Speaker 1: what what could I possibly understand? Of course I don't understand.
Speaker 1: You're not saying words. He's like, it's getting late. We
Speaker 1: need to go ahead and pull this car out, get
Speaker 1: this thing moving along. But it is funny. I just
Speaker 1: I you know again, I love the show because it
Speaker 1: is so relatable to so many relationships we've all been in.
Speaker 1: And these these all all these are represented in our lives,
Speaker 1: and so we've all been there where, like you said,
Speaker 1: we've tried to change the bad boy. We've tried to
Speaker 1: fix somebody. I'm a caretaker. I always try to fix people,
Speaker 1: and so we've been there. Yeah, and you see this
Speaker 1: coming a mile away. But you can't save people from themselves.
Speaker 1: And I know this as the host and as the
Speaker 1: therapist and as a dad, you can't say people from themselves.
Speaker 1: All you can do is give them the best information.
Speaker 1: And then he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And
Speaker 1: sure he's he's he's really falling for Victoria, this is real.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. Hey, I want to, you know, spend the
Speaker 1: bottle with this girl in the fantasy suite. It's real. Yeah.
Speaker 1: To him, it's real. Yeah. And and nobody knows your
Speaker 1: relationship like you do, so we don't. We don't get it.
Speaker 1: We can speculate, we give our opinions, but we're not
Speaker 1: in this thing with Peter and Victoria. I do have
Speaker 1: one more question before we cut to a break. We
Speaker 1: talked about Madison a bit. When Madison pulled Peter to
Speaker 1: the side in that hangar right after that last row
Speaker 1: ceremony that we saw, do you think that she was
Speaker 1: expecting Peter because now it's down to three women. We
Speaker 1: saw what happened last Bachelor's season when it was down
Speaker 1: to three women. Do you think she was thinking, if
Speaker 1: I give him this ultimatum, maybe he'll just rev up
Speaker 1: the engine. We'll hop in this airplane and piece out
Speaker 1: and leave these two girls standing there and that's the
Speaker 1: end of the season. He felt maybe there was a
Speaker 1: certain sense of arrogance there, Yeah, that like, maybe I
Speaker 1: feel like our connection is so strong that I will
Speaker 1: just pop this balloon now. And and he said her straight,
Speaker 1: which again. I was proud of Peter saying there are
Speaker 1: two other women here and I can see a future
Speaker 1: with them as well. Yeah, I need time to figure
Speaker 1: this out. He did a good job. I will say this.
Speaker 1: I will give him credit for the things he's going
Speaker 1: to get beat up for, and he does. I was
Speaker 1: with Peter last night, actually, we had dinner, and we
Speaker 1: were talking about how his skin is though thick because
Speaker 1: he's just getting crushed this season. But he's such a
Speaker 1: good guy and he has such a great strong belief
Speaker 1: in his family and his faith and all that. He
Speaker 1: knows where his worth comes from. So while he's getting
Speaker 1: crushed by baturnation, he still knows he's doing his best
Speaker 1: and he's a good man, and he tries to make
Speaker 1: these decisions he just can't um. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: maybe she thought our relationship is so strong as could
Speaker 1: be over So I'll ask you this, then I'll leave
Speaker 1: you with this, since you did have dinner with Peter. Yes,
Speaker 1: and we see on the previews for the next week
Speaker 1: that he's questioning the decisions that he made in Fantasy Week.
Speaker 1: Does he still have those same regrets? Yes, whoa and
Speaker 1: that's and and that's that's We're just gonna put a
Speaker 1: pin in it right there. Well, I wasn't expecting that answer. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more from Chris Harrison. Don't
Speaker 1: go anywhere, Okay, Chris. For maybe the first time, I
Speaker 1: know since I've been watching this season, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: for other people, we have no idea what's to come.
Speaker 1: Even as crazy as Colton season was, this is this
Speaker 1: is on another level. So please, I'm begging you from
Speaker 1: all of us in bachnation, can you tell us what's
Speaker 1: We've got the reunion coming up, We've got the finale
Speaker 1: one more week, Club us. Something is the tell all.
Speaker 1: We'll bring obviously everybody back and it's gonna that that's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting with this group, um, because it's a
Speaker 1: very different dynamic in the house as well as just
Speaker 1: a very different season. And then obviously we're off to
Speaker 1: well we stay in Australia and that's where the finale
Speaker 1: takes place. In that final week, we switched towns, but
Speaker 1: we're still there and it's it is unlike any season
Speaker 1: we've ever had as far as the finale and how
Speaker 1: it ends. And you saw that you see a little
Speaker 1: bit in the supertes with the dramatic and him being
Speaker 1: upset because he gets some news. That final couple of
Speaker 1: days you see his mom. We're finally going to get
Speaker 1: the answer of who his mom is talking about. Um,
Speaker 1: the Meryl Streep moment of bringing her Meryl Streep wishes
Speaker 1: she had those skills. I love Barbe, absolutely love that woman.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, there is so much that's left
Speaker 1: to unpack and to go through. I feel like the
Speaker 1: season's barely started honestly considering what's about to happen in
Speaker 1: the final week of the show, which is wild to say. Wait,
Speaker 1: so Chris Harrison, are you saying it's not over, like
Speaker 1: even after the final are we still going I didn't
Speaker 1: say that, but I will say it's never over till
Speaker 1: it's over. Oh my gosh. But there's just a lot
Speaker 1: more to come before we can get to a conclusion.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot more that's about to happen, and
Speaker 1: on so many levels, Well, we know you have your
Speaker 1: work cut out for you, more than ever at Women
Speaker 1: Tell All this year, So we do wish you the best.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, how do you you know? How
Speaker 1: do you this? This has been frustrating for us to watch.
Speaker 1: How do you muster up the I don't know that,
Speaker 1: Like I know that you're a host, you're an executive producer,
Speaker 1: like approaching each season, and then there's just so much
Speaker 1: like we're frustrated watching I'm sure you're frustrated in it,
Speaker 1: Like how do you keep going each season? Other than
Speaker 1: the money? I'm not gonna lie that that helps. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not on a tour bus in Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City, so but you know, I still, first of all,
Speaker 1: I love the people I work with, and I mean
Speaker 1: the crew too, but but also you guys, you know,
Speaker 1: going through what we went through, and going through what
Speaker 1: Becca and I went through, and even going through now
Speaker 1: this guy Peter and working through it with him, I
Speaker 1: get I get excited about it. I find it interesting.
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating on so many levels of relationships
Speaker 1: and following the show. I'm a fan of the show too,
Speaker 1: And so I also want answers. I want to pin
Speaker 1: these people down, like I want to know why you
Speaker 1: say the word lingerie? Um, and yeah, and Finasco or
Speaker 1: feet whatever it was he was trying to say, like
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, exactly. So I've always thought when you're
Speaker 1: doing an interview, it's like if the person at home
Speaker 1: is screaming at their television, I want to ask those
Speaker 1: questions and so um. I still enjoy most of it.
Speaker 1: There are times when it will dissolve into some barking
Speaker 1: and screaming and all that, and I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to drop this and walk out.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, I find it fascinating. And
Speaker 1: what I'm about to go through with Peter over the
Speaker 1: next two weeks was fascinating. It took every ounce of
Speaker 1: our energy in power to get through this. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: were a lot of tears. I mean, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of everything, cussing, you name it, you know how
Speaker 1: it goes. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'll say this
Speaker 1: for Peter as I've said it for the two of you.
Speaker 1: This is his life. And say what you will about
Speaker 1: him or Madison or Hannah Ann or you know, Victoria.
Speaker 1: These are real people and we're we're you know, and
Speaker 1: I know you're privy to some of this. When we
Speaker 1: get to tell All, we're actually going to deal with
Speaker 1: some of this stuff at the tell All. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how yet, but it's gotten to a new level
Speaker 1: of people feeling like you're at a sporting event. You've
Speaker 1: paid your ticket. Therefore I can yell and scream and
Speaker 1: say whatever I want to this human being. That's not
Speaker 1: how life is. That's not how it goes. There are
Speaker 1: rules to our society that are being broken and lines
Speaker 1: that are being crossed, and we're going to deal with that.
Speaker 1: And I hate to be cryptic, but we'll deal with
Speaker 1: that at the tell all a little bit more. Um,
Speaker 1: we've dealt with it in the past where people have
Speaker 1: really overstepped their bounds. But you know, I feel a
Speaker 1: little protective of all of you, and I feel like
Speaker 1: maybe it's time I need to step in a little
Speaker 1: bit more and have a talk with the class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe take the world to task on a couple
Speaker 1: of things. But um, you know, he is a He's
Speaker 1: a man who's gone through this journey and if you
Speaker 1: love it, hate it, whatever, this is his life. And
Speaker 1: there's some crazy steps that are to come before we
Speaker 1: get to the end of this. If we do right, well,
Speaker 1: we can't wait. We thank you for what you do.
Speaker 1: Where's Hannah Your work is never done? Which one Hannah.
Speaker 1: There's Hannah, There's the producer, There's Hannah Anne. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't even keep him straight. This guy he's got it.
Speaker 1: He's got him lined up like planes at lax. Well,
Speaker 1: we thank you for the service that you do for
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation. I mean, like I said, your work has
Speaker 1: never done it to see to get harder and harder
Speaker 1: every every single year. But before we let you go, yes,
Speaker 1: we love to play a game with our guests. Okay,
Speaker 1: so of course, in the spirit of Chris Harrison, we
Speaker 1: are going to play the most dramatic game ever. So Chris,
Speaker 1: this is how this is gonna work. Okay, we know
Speaker 1: that's one of your favorite phrases. So today we're gonna
Speaker 1: put you in the hot seat and you're gonna pick
Speaker 1: which moment was actually the most dramatic. Got it? All right?
Speaker 1: So back? Are you ready? Yes, I'm lost that race, Chris,
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Bring it? Go? Go ahead, back and
Speaker 1: give it to him? All right. I'm going to kick
Speaker 1: it off with the first one. So Chris, between these two,
Speaker 1: who was the most dramatic Bachelor of all times? We
Speaker 1: have Juan Pablo or Brad Womack. Brad Womack Season one
Speaker 1: with him when he didn't make a choice was pretty wild,
Speaker 1: but overall, Juan Pablo from start to finish was probably
Speaker 1: the most dramatic. I know a lot of people feel
Speaker 1: like I don't like anyone whatever, I don't dislike him.
Speaker 1: I found it fascinating. Again, what makes a guy tick?
Speaker 1: What made him do what he did? I thought that
Speaker 1: season was from start to finish dramatic, although Brad Womack's
Speaker 1: very last moment may have trumped him. Can I just
Speaker 1: say that I ran into Wan Pablos. I've never told
Speaker 1: anybody this. I ran into want Poblos mom in Miami,
Speaker 1: and she pulled me to the side and she wanted
Speaker 1: to have a full conversation with me about like how
Speaker 1: her son wasn't done right, and she like really wanted
Speaker 1: me to tell tell me who he is and the
Speaker 1: type of person. And I just said, ma'am, I didn't
Speaker 1: even watch this season. I wasn'mportant yet you know, I
Speaker 1: felt bad because they were such lovely people, they were
Speaker 1: such lovely parents. Yeah, she was great, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: how did that again? Big question that see? How did
Speaker 1: that come from? That? Passing that movie? Yeah? Exactly, very interesting, okay, Chris.
Speaker 1: The most dramatic Limo entrance moment Alexis Waters dressing up
Speaker 1: as a shark. Never forget shark dolphin right like or
Speaker 1: Jenna on Peter Season bringing a bringing an emotional support
Speaker 1: a cow. I mean those weren't dramatic as much as
Speaker 1: they were hysterical. Yeah. Um, I mean Alexis goes down
Speaker 1: in history not only coming in as a shark thinking
Speaker 1: she was a dolphin, but just how that carried over
Speaker 1: into paradise and all that. So I'm gonna go Alexis.
Speaker 1: And I also love and respect how she wore it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean not literally, I mean emotionally. She she really
Speaker 1: wore it well and owned the whole thing. Yeah, Rachel,
Speaker 1: I have to ask them to your friends. Does she
Speaker 1: still have that costume? I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. She's got other costumes though?
Speaker 1: Oh who? Not only like like she's just a fun person,
Speaker 1: Alexis slide into her DM fellas all right. Next, the
Speaker 1: most dramatic lying moment was it when Ali Sanatowski confronted
Speaker 1: Justin Riego about having a girlfriend, or when Rapels to
Speaker 1: the fronted de Mario about having a dolphriend And well,
Speaker 1: with all due respect to Rachel, hers was good because
Speaker 1: it also included Kareem Abdul Jabbar, which is when can
Speaker 1: you say when can you say that there was Demario
Speaker 1: the girlfriend, but I mean Rachel just kicked his ass
Speaker 1: and it was such It was such a one sided beating.
Speaker 1: But honestly, one of the craziest moments in the history
Speaker 1: of the show was Ali and justin because we were
Speaker 1: in Turkey and because he was on one leg, he
Speaker 1: was in a boot, and we were in such a
Speaker 1: conservative country, in a conservative hotel in Turkey, in Istanbul,
Speaker 1: and he starts running through that we had promised them
Speaker 1: up and down that we would be very cool, very calm.
Speaker 1: We're the bachelor. We could never promise such things. He's
Speaker 1: running outside, climbing through fountains and there's a restaurant. All
Speaker 1: these people are in Istanbul going what is happening? And
Speaker 1: this guy was running away from us. And so that
Speaker 1: moment and we actually lost him for a little bit
Speaker 1: in the stairwell, so that that moment will go down
Speaker 1: in history is the most dramatic. But that wins. But
Speaker 1: Cream Abdul Jabbar, was that your breakup? That was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: That wins definitely. Rood Tomorrow ruined that moment. For me,
Speaker 1: all right. Most dramatic two on one Most dramatic two
Speaker 1: on one day Ashley I and Kelsey on Chris soul
Speaker 1: season or Chat and Alex Njojos season. I mean Ashley
Speaker 1: I takes the cake because also where that was, they
Speaker 1: were out in the desert, so it was just like
Speaker 1: out in the bad lands, I believe we were, and he,
Speaker 1: you know, and he ends up breaking up with both.
Speaker 1: Just the tears from Ashley I. You can't top that.
Speaker 1: But we've had. I mean, I'll go back to some
Speaker 1: good ones, you know, Lieutenant Andy Baldwin who left some
Speaker 1: I forget who it was, but he left her on
Speaker 1: the deck of an aircraft carrier. That was stunning. And
Speaker 1: then going back to Ali leaving a guy on a
Speaker 1: glacier pretty good. He's guarding and protecting his glacier, okay, Chris.
Speaker 1: Most dramatic reenactment. These are my personal fhaves. When a
Speaker 1: crew member jumped off a balcony to avoid being caught
Speaker 1: with Michel on Paradise Season one, or when Peter Webber
Speaker 1: split open his head on a golf cart. This isn't
Speaker 1: even close, Putts, Ryan Puts, that was the name of
Speaker 1: the crew member that took the fatal leap off the
Speaker 1: second story balcony. The sheer stupidity and craziness and insanity.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I was pulled into breakfast. I
Speaker 1: was woken up and Martin Hilton, who is an executive
Speaker 1: producer and president of our company, calls me and says,
Speaker 1: you're not going to believe this. Get to breakfast right now.
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, and he tells me this story. And
Speaker 1: I was looking around as if there were cameras because
Speaker 1: I was just someone was jerking around on me. That
Speaker 1: couldn't be real because there's so many things that could
Speaker 1: have happened before he decided to jump down and break
Speaker 1: both of his ankles. So by far, Ryan Putts, I
Speaker 1: first of all petitioned for more of these these re enactments.
Speaker 1: They're fantastic. Well, and it was mine. I will take
Speaker 1: a little credit because my back ground is journalism and
Speaker 1: my background as a news guy, and I thought I
Speaker 1: wanted to go like seventies eighties reenactment where we got
Speaker 1: it dummy and we literally threw it dummy off and
Speaker 1: it was like really over the top. Dan Rather is
Speaker 1: this is if this was the most important news report.
Speaker 1: Anybody was ever giving and we really layed into it
Speaker 1: and that's where the whole reenactment thing even started. So
Speaker 1: we got to give kudos. He's in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: the Potts Hall of Fame. There will never be another.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't, you cannot top that, all right,
Speaker 1: most dramatic I Love you moment of all time when
Speaker 1: Ben says I love you to both Jojo and Lauren,
Speaker 1: or when Juan Pablo says I like you to Nikki
Speaker 1: Ferrell at the road. No, in all fairness, one Pablo
Speaker 1: says I like you a lot. He said a lot,
Speaker 1: So that's really close to but Ben saying I love
Speaker 1: you sincerely to two women, Um, and now you know
Speaker 1: you think those two great women to fall in love with.
Speaker 1: But that was it for sure because the one Pablo thing,
Speaker 1: I just felt horrible. I felt great for Andy Dorfman
Speaker 1: and Claire who escaped in that final three, but I
Speaker 1: felt terrible for Nikki, who was like trying to have
Speaker 1: her moment and this guy says I like you a
Speaker 1: lot and then didn't understand why that wasn't enough. But
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go Ben, just who was you know,
Speaker 1: He's not the he's not the only one anymore rights,
Speaker 1: but he was the first. It was a big deal,
Speaker 1: and you would think people would learn not a great idea. Well, Chris,
Speaker 1: I have to ask this one, and I think our
Speaker 1: listeners would absolutely love it. But we need to know.
Speaker 1: What was your most dramatic memory of being on the
Speaker 1: show in eighteen years? The most dramatic moment. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: to me, the most dramatic moment was? Was it December sixth,
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, Trista's wedding. I'll never forget being
Speaker 1: at that wedding. We weren't sure what the show was
Speaker 1: up till then, and then Trista kind of solidified and
Speaker 1: legitimized this franchise, and we decided we were going to
Speaker 1: throw a wedding, and a million people, you know, we're
Speaker 1: clamoring to get into this wedding. It was crazy, and
Speaker 1: we threw this wedding out in Palm Springs. We all
Speaker 1: drove out there. Wasn't sure what to expect because we
Speaker 1: hadn't thrown a wedding before, and it was just crazy
Speaker 1: and I'll never get There was three helicopters hovering about
Speaker 1: one hundred feet above this hotel trying to get paparazzi shots.
Speaker 1: You couldn't hear anything, and we had snipers out in
Speaker 1: the desert trying to keep people from hiking in. It
Speaker 1: was wild, and that to me when I thought, on
Speaker 1: a lot of levels, my life has changed. This show
Speaker 1: is nuts, This show is going to go on forever,
Speaker 1: and but it's real. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: there was this beautiful wedding and this young kid, you
Speaker 1: may have heard him, Brad Paisley started his career that night. Whoa.
Speaker 1: We gave him the gig. We gave him the gig
Speaker 1: to sing at the reception, and I'll never forget he
Speaker 1: came out, there's a little hat and and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, mister Harrison, we really appreciate you giving me
Speaker 1: this big break. And so for so many reasons, that
Speaker 1: moment was this kind of just lightning in a bottle
Speaker 1: moment that I'll never forget. I had no idea that
Speaker 1: any of that ever happened other than the wedding, right,
Speaker 1: I had no ideas behind it. I remember said that
Speaker 1: we were in the middle of Meredith's season of The Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: and so we were trying to wrap up her season.
Speaker 1: We actually took a pause, we did a rose ceremony,
Speaker 1: we all got in a limo, drove out to Palm Springs,
Speaker 1: shot for two days, went back and did Meredith Finale.
Speaker 1: And in the midst of that, personally, my then wife
Speaker 1: was nine point nine months pregnant, we were due and
Speaker 1: she was having contractions during Meredith Finale. So I was
Speaker 1: about to have my second child, ding, a wedding, and
Speaker 1: then Meredith Finale all in one month. So there was
Speaker 1: a wild time. That's why they pay you the big bucks.
Speaker 1: Didn't then, but they do now. Chris, It's been so
Speaker 1: great to have you on the podcast. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being here. I just want to say thanks
Speaker 1: for finally having me on. Congratulations on the podcast. I
Speaker 1: love you both very much. Oh, I really do. I
Speaker 1: love well. I mean I text you Rachel all the
Speaker 1: time because of your success on ESPN and all the
Speaker 1: things you're doing. You are kicking ass in the world,
Speaker 1: and I truly love when I get to see you
Speaker 1: guys grow and do such great things. And Becca the same.
Speaker 1: I know you and Ben are on the road doing
Speaker 1: the Lord's Work and doing the live show, but I
Speaker 1: do I love when I see that you know we've
Speaker 1: been through this and we have that extraordinary connection. And
Speaker 1: then when you guys go off and do great things,
Speaker 1: I take a lot of pride, not that I have
Speaker 1: anything to do with it, but I take a lot
Speaker 1: of pride and know you do. And thank you so
Speaker 1: much for saying that, both to Becca and I and
Speaker 1: I will say because a lot of one of the
Speaker 1: big questions that we get all the time is how
Speaker 1: involved is Chris Harrison with you guys? Do you really
Speaker 1: get to see him when you're a contestant, not as much,
Speaker 1: but when you are in the lead of the show,
Speaker 1: you travel together. We are with you, and there were
Speaker 1: times when we had conversations and I know I asked
Speaker 1: you about advice post show and you were more than
Speaker 1: happy to give it to us and to counsel us
Speaker 1: and just kind of be that voice of reason when
Speaker 1: you don't have your family and your friends around, so
Speaker 1: you have to give yourself credit. You do more than
Speaker 1: I'd like to say to all of you that look,
Speaker 1: if we need to have a conversation, like a real conversation,
Speaker 1: I got nothing in this. I'm fine either way. I'll
Speaker 1: help you. Yeah, like I want what's best for you, guys,
Speaker 1: I really do. I want this to work out, and
Speaker 1: luckily for the two of you, it has, which is awesome.
Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, Well, letting go, because we could
Speaker 1: keep talking to you, Chris, I can keep trying to
Speaker 1: All I need is the first baby to be named Christopher.
Speaker 1: That's it. I suppose that actually doesn't happen yet. Harrison, Chris, Chris,
Speaker 1: I actually love the name Harrison for a boy. Very presidential.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, very presidential. So who knows Harrison Kufran because
Speaker 1: she's keeping her name? Are you? But I love you
Speaker 1: both very much. Congrats on the podcast and continue success.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We love you too. Thanks Chris, we love
Speaker 1: you all right. Well, apparently you forgot to do Cats
Speaker 1: and Rats of the Week last week and people were upset.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how people are looking forward to this,
Speaker 1: so Becca, we got to make sure that we get
Speaker 1: it done. It is time for our Cats and Rats
Speaker 1: of the Week. There are some cats and some rats,
Speaker 1: beccare we're Detta slim pickens at this point, So who's
Speaker 1: your cat? Who's your rat? You know? On very slim pickens. Um.
Speaker 1: As much as I did like Madison until this point
Speaker 1: she do kind of take a turn, So she's going
Speaker 1: to be the rat of the week. Just confronting Peter
Speaker 1: with everything in this moment. I think it made it
Speaker 1: very tough for him. Obviously, we'll have to see how
Speaker 1: that plays out. And then my cats, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give it to Hannah Anne. I mean, I have my thoughts,
Speaker 1: but I think she did still step it up this
Speaker 1: week and was able to assculate a little bit more
Speaker 1: with feelings. So it's going to Hannah, and Okay, I
Speaker 1: agree with you completely. My rat as well, goes to Madison,
Speaker 1: just for the timing and delivery of this information she's
Speaker 1: been holding on too for nine weeks. And I'm like
Speaker 1: my cat to Peter. Yep, I'm making Peter a cat
Speaker 1: this week just because I like it. I really appreciated
Speaker 1: his honesty, his understanding of Madison's beliefs and standards and
Speaker 1: acknowledging that, but then also being she was being true
Speaker 1: to who she was and he was being true to
Speaker 1: who he is. He said, I prospect that, but that's
Speaker 1: not me. And I appreciated even though he slightly outed
Speaker 1: the women that he said, I have been intimate, and
Speaker 1: he was honest and Honesty is something that not everybody
Speaker 1: is strong enough to do, so I appreciate that from
Speaker 1: Peter