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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody Happy Tuesday? Another episode of Bachelor Happy Out?

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Speaker 1: Can I before we get into everything, I just want

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Speaker 1: to set the mood here. I don't want to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to be as professional as possible because

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Speaker 1: I have Bachelor Nation Royalty sitting across from me in

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Speaker 1: the room. I'm gonna try to put on my good hat. Becca.

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Speaker 1: I know you share the same frustrations with me. I

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Speaker 1: just want to to say that off the top. You

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Speaker 1: know how we like to name every episode. I feel

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Speaker 1: like I want to name this episode. Am I missing something?

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Speaker 1: Question mark? I was gonna name it wt app exclamation

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Speaker 1: mark that works as well. Oh no, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: say it's been crazy. We keep saying it. It's crazier

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Speaker 1: and crazier, and this episode finally, I was like, I

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Speaker 1: need to take a moment away from the screen. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll get into this because I want to get straight

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I was about to say, I have

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Speaker 1: so many notes, and I think I was just venting

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Speaker 1: my frustration out in my notes this week, but we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about it. I'm so glad to have

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Speaker 1: you here. I know you're on the road. We've been

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Speaker 1: following along everything that you're doing with Finn and Baucher

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Speaker 1: live on stage. I know you have your family there,

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Speaker 1: Minnow's there, Garrett's there with you right now. How's everything going, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's been so much fun. It has been a much

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Speaker 1: crazier adventure than I could ever imagine, but it's been great.

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Speaker 1: So we are currently on the tour bus calling in.

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Speaker 1: We are driving through Salt Lake City as we speak,

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Speaker 1: but Minnow has already claimed the title as the official

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Speaker 1: Diva of the tour bus. Of course. Ar it's been uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, hog into Betty to Night, but it's been

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Speaker 1: very fun, good. I'm glad. I'm I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: join you whenever that may be, but soon. I know

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Speaker 1: we have to get to it because we don't. We

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Speaker 1: don't get to do this every day. It is not

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Speaker 1: every day that we get to have a legend on

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Speaker 1: our podcast. I don't know who we are, what we

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Speaker 1: did I to deserve to have the one and only

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Speaker 1: mister Chris Harrison, also known as our fairy godfather on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Chris, thank you for joining us, ladies, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. I have to say, first and foremost,

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Speaker 1: your effing ring is huge. I'm just we're seeing I'm

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Speaker 1: saying across from Rachel right now. And I know you

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Speaker 1: guys can't see this. Your ring is insane. Thank you

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Speaker 1: that up again. I don't know if I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: a wedding. If you ask, I can definitely will Lord,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Chris. That is massive. Becca. You better get

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Speaker 1: you better. You better get at least that. Becca shines

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Speaker 1: as well. Um. And by the way, good to be

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Speaker 1: here in Becca. I know you're on the road. Congrats

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Speaker 1: to you and Ben. I know you guys are crushing

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Speaker 1: it out there. I'm hearing good things. Uh. And Rachel

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Speaker 1: says she wants to join you guys for a month

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Speaker 1: or south. Can't wait, thanks, but we do. I know

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about with this episode,

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Speaker 1: so I don't even know where we start, though, I

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Speaker 1: want to pick your brain so badly. I'm here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you were there in the heat of it. If we're

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Speaker 1: frustrated as viewers watching this, I can only imagine what

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Speaker 1: it was like to record this. You were there for

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Speaker 1: a week. We only get two hours of this, so

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Speaker 1: we were there, yeah, two weeks in Australia going through

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Speaker 1: this whole thing, and it was it was an interesting

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Speaker 1: season and journey with you know, speaking to two women

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Speaker 1: who I have gone through this with it, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's no there's nothing to compare it. And I know

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Speaker 1: I often say like, look, I can't compare seasons. You know,

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Speaker 1: Rachel season to Becca season to whoever is totally different.

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Speaker 1: But this season was so different on so many levels.

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Speaker 1: Going through it with Peter interesting. He's an interesting guy

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Speaker 1: and he's a good man. But you know, we'll get

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Speaker 1: into these relationships, and I think that one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons I love the show is we've all had certain

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Speaker 1: relationships like this, and it was just interesting to watch

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Speaker 1: Peter go through it. Which relationship are you referring to, Chris,

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Speaker 1: all of them, because they all really stand for some

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Speaker 1: thing very different. They really do bats our Nation. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to get as much as I can out of calls.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this lid is going to pop off

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Speaker 1: the steam pot and Rachel's going to go off, and

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Speaker 1: I am here for it. I'm brewing, I say it.

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Speaker 1: I know the look in her eye. That's one thing

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Speaker 1: I do remember, is that look in her eye as

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Speaker 1: about to blow. Well, I'm just confused. If I had

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Speaker 1: a subtitle to this episode, it would be compete. Just

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Speaker 1: And just when we think, all right, it's fantasy suits,

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Speaker 1: Because this really really is an important week. Forget what

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Speaker 1: fantasy suits means to everyone else. This is the opportunity

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Speaker 1: desperately need at this point in the journey, so you

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Speaker 1: the one person who seems to be the most level

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Speaker 1: up where we left off at the end of last week.

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Speaker 1: So we see Madison pulled Peter aside, she has this

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Speaker 1: talk with him. Now, I was a bit surprised at

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Speaker 1: what she said in that talk. What did you think? Becca?

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Speaker 1: So my issue and I'm glad that she I think

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Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this to come up, because obviously

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. Like, we knew that Madison was

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Speaker 1: Probably not? But my thing watching her conversation with Theater

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Speaker 1: saving myself. Like what it seemed like was an ultimatum,

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Speaker 1: It was just kind of like, wow, this is how

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Speaker 1: from here? How is he supposed to take this? Like,

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Speaker 1: of course there's three of you lesson he's having started

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Speaker 1: feeling for I was just left wanting more and if

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Speaker 1: hurtance to what's the state what she was hoping for?

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Speaker 1: But did I miss something She didn't say in that

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Speaker 1: it it's so unfair. I'm going to get to it

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Speaker 1: when we get to this part about Madison in Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Sweet Weeks, but she's talking about her faith she's talking

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Speaker 1: all around the subject, but she's not being direct as

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Speaker 1: to what's so important with her. So how can Peter

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Speaker 1: something that's so vital to this week? So she tells him.

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Speaker 1: She keeps saying, but I'm not giving you an ultimatum,

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Speaker 1: you know, my heart, and then literally defined ultimatum. Thank you, Chris,

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Speaker 1: you are Everything you're saying is an ultimatum. She said

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Speaker 1: defined in every word she said, an ultimatum. And she

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Speaker 1: did that throughout, you know, the entire episode. They're dating everything.

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Speaker 1: But if you do this, then this that is an ultimatum, Mattie,

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Speaker 1: It is so nice to have conversations with a level headed,

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Speaker 1: she just didn't know how to say it. She couldn't articulate.

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Speaker 1: It reminded me of Victoria trying to have the conversation

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Speaker 1: and those sentences are definitely not conveying any thoughts. And

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Speaker 1: make big life choices. And so Madison, I I knew

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Speaker 1: to go. And I think that's what's so hard. And

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Speaker 1: I'll pose this question to both you and Chris. Becca,

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Speaker 1: why do you think it was so my theory? But

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Speaker 1: These are her morals and her values. And she was

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Speaker 1: very matter of fact when she had that conversation with

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Speaker 1: myself for marriage. Why can't she make that declarative statement.

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Speaker 1: I really want to have with her at some point.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we don't know how this ends, and maybe it's

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Speaker 1: this is where I am in my life and my faith.

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Speaker 1: If anyone is going to take this journey with me,

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Speaker 1: you got to be on this same walk. Period. Look, yes,

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Speaker 1: a problem with ultimatums. If that is where you are,

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Speaker 1: so I grew up Catholic, so I feel like I

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Speaker 1: and I could be totally up face. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to put work in Madison's mouth or her family, but

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Speaker 1: growing up as a Catholic, it's kind of like that

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Speaker 1: you just don't talk about it. There are certain words

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Speaker 1: don't want to say virgin. And again, I don't know

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Speaker 1: that she did save herself. But those words aren't being used,

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Speaker 1: if that has a lot to do with her faith,

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Speaker 1: if it's just something you don't talk about with other

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Speaker 1: watching this and you know, I'm not the biggest fan

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00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: of some of these girls. That's no surprise. But at

427
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: some point they also need to be protective. This is

428
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,719
Speaker 1: hard enough knowing that the person you are dating and

429
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 1: falling in love with is spending the night with other women,

430
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: and to see them come home in the mornings and

431
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: to have to talk about it is brutal. And so

432
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: I really felt bad for these girls this time. But

433
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm watching this week and right away I knew I was, like,

434
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: Madison is going to get the last date. There's no

435
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: surprise there. They're gonna bring these other girls out with him.

436
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: They're going to bring them home, and they're gonna dangle

437
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: these girls in their conversations. And what happened in front

438
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: of medicine. But I would love to know what would

439
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: have happened if it was reversed. What if Madison first

440
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: had that one on one night with him. What would

441
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: have happened if she would have went in and still said,

442
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, I want to send this an interrupted alone

443
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: to him with you get to know you. I'm sure

444
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: obviously they wouldn't have such together, but she would have

445
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 1: still just spent the time with him. What would have happened?

446
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: Then if she went back to the hotel and these

447
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: other two girls and had to proceed on their face

448
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: with him, how would this have ended? The same? He

449
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: would have been the same, would have left well, although

450
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: it probably would have happened a week later or even worse. Yeah,

451
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: she was. She was spiraling out of control from the beginning.

452
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: But Chris, I literally wrote this down in my notes. Chris,

453
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: why are they all living together? Well? Good questions. Well,

454
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: you two have been through this, so you actually have

455
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: the perspective. There are times when no matter how great

456
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 1: you are and you both were great bachelorettes, but you

457
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: can't get out of your own way, and that's part

458
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: of why you're single. And you know, Peter, for example,

459
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: has trouble making decisions. I don't know if you guys

460
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: have noticed that UM talked is yeah, the king of

461
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: kicking the can down the road. Heaven forbid you make

462
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: a decision. But so this you know, there are things

463
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: that we do as producers that will force you into

464
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: this uncomfortable zone and force you into making a decision.

465
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes we do it for your behalf, sometimes we do

466
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: it for the for the bachelor, the the guys with

467
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: the girls. And this situation was pretty extraordinary because Peter

468
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: had kicked the can down the road, but this time

469
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: also Madison had and so this was to force a

470
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: situation that had to happen, and it had to happen

471
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: this week because if we get to proposal week, then

472
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: this guy is really screwed and there's no chance this works.

473
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: We got to figure this out and there's really only

474
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: one way to do it. And so yeah, it was

475
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: tough love and it was really awkward. And again, as

476
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, in the history of the show, I don't

477
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: know if we've ever done this, but we decided to

478
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: do it this week because these are conversations that needed

479
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: to be had and it was because of I think

480
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: the double standard and the things that Peter was going

481
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: to deal with. We kind of needed the women's perspective

482
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: on this. We needed Madison to face Victoria and Hannah

483
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: Ann and have them express their emotions on this, because again,

484
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: it's just this guy in his perspective and I don't

485
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: know if that's the greatest thing right now. And so

486
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting and look revisionist history. I

487
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: don't know if it was right or wrong. That'll be

488
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: up to Bachelor Nation and you know, on behalf of

489
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: bachel Nation, thank you. Yeah, And so it just forced

490
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: a situation that needed to be forced in a conversation

491
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,479
Speaker 1: that had to be had. And I found it interesting

492
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: to have Victoria and Hannah Anne's perspective and I thought

493
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: they were great of Hey, I understand what's going on here,

494
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: and this is important and this guy needs to really

495
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: suss all of us out before he makes a big decision.

496
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: And so I think it was a glaring, you know,

497
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: spotlight on what Madison was an understanding about this. I

498
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it and you and I love

499
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: your explanation because I'm like, that is what we needed,

500
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: whether you knew you needed it or not, and we

501
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: got it. We got it. Mother. It was awkward for them,

502
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: hard to watch. It was what was necessary to push

503
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: this journey forward. I appreciated it because if we had

504
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: done that, if the girls on my season, Beck, I

505
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but if the girls on my

506
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: season had done it, Me, Vaness and Raven, it wouldn't

507
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: have been awkward. They would have been hysterical. Yeah, because

508
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: I remember saying to Raven, we were like, are we

509
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: gonna be Eskimo sisters? So we would have been excited

510
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: if we could have come back and talk about what

511
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: happened in fantasy suits. These girls, that's that's not them.

512
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: They don't they don't have that that same bond I

513
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: think that I had on my season, Becca, and that

514
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: you had on your season. They don't with your Lady,

515
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: they don't have that bond. There's there's not I don't

516
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: see a lot of bff's coming out of this season.

517
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: And maybe that has to do with their age or

518
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: their emotional intelligence. I don't know, but there's no I

519
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of that sisterhood that I've seen

520
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: in seasons past and before. I do want to move

521
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: on because you mentioned Hannah Ann and Victoria, who I

522
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: was for the first time this whole season impressed with

523
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: this episode. Well, the Victoria, they're SMA, but I was

524
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: impressed with the way they handled the entire week in situation.

525
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: But you mentioned the sisterhood, and I said all of that,

526
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: and now I have forgotten my question. Oh, Becka and

527
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: I were talking about how the key to success on

528
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: this show isn't just the relationship that you have with

529
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: the lead. It's the relationships you make in the house

530
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: and with the brotherhood or sisterhood, because that's who you

531
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: spend a majority of your time with and you need

532
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: that circle of support to get you through it. Is

533
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: that kind of how you feel and what was lacking

534
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: this season? Yeah, Well, I'm just I was trying to

535
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: think if there was a probably been Flannic season. Off

536
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: the top of my head, was the last time a

537
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: real black sheet someone who went rogue dominated the season

538
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: and actually, you know, unquote one or ended up with

539
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: the guy. I was trying to think if someone since then,

540
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: But I think that's it where the quote unquote villain

541
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: dominated and actually got what she wanted. Other than that,

542
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: it really is you need that support system and you

543
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: need to be propped up and shown in a good light.

544
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: And that's usually the case. You know, usually the person

545
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: won't be attracted to someone who's not getting that respect

546
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: in the house, and usually kind of one begets the other.

547
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's I can only think of one time

548
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: in history where that's really happened. Yeah, so people are

549
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: mad at us from last week because we only talked

550
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: about Victoria Fuller's hometown because would you not. I'm sorry

551
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: that was where the juice was because she didn't even

552
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: have one. So we'll make sure that where we heard you.

553
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: We hear you when you listen when you write us

554
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: into us and you dm us, you comment. So we

555
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: are going to cover the other Fantasy Suite dates, even

556
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: though Madison's is where the juicy part is. So Hannah

557
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: Ann gets the first date and you know it's I

558
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: don't know Becca or Chris, whoever wants to take this.

559
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: I was impressed with Hannah Anne. I know she's kind

560
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: of had a bad rap at the beginning, and she's

561
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: very confident and I think some people. To some people,

562
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: that comes off as smug, but she made it easy

563
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: for Peter and he needed that and I loved that

564
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: she gave that to him. I think Hannah Anne she

565
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: surprised me a little bit this week. I have two

566
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: things that I wanted to touch on with her because

567
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 1: number One, as you said, she made it easy, and

568
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: that's really what people need this week. That's why I

569
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: remember leaving Garrett stay in the few suite, because we

570
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: just laughed and coughed and had the best time. And

571
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: up until that point, it's so stressful, it's so anxiety

572
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: written that to just have somebody who gets it and

573
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you know, I'm here for you. I

574
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: understand that. As tough as it is to see you

575
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: go to two other fantasy suits with two other women,

576
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: like you need to do what you have to do

577
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: to adust all avenues of your huge relationships to make

578
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: the best decision for yourself at the end. And I

579
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: appreciated her saying that to him, and her saying you know,

580
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: at the end of this, like, I'm still here for you.

581
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: I understand, And I think that helped him. Now my

582
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: thing with Hannah Anne, and maybe I'm just being too

583
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: nitpicky here. But she does not have the face or

584
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: she doesn't look at Peter me personally, I think there's

585
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: like she's in love with him, Like it's not the

586
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: face of a girl in love, Hannah, and I is

587
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: that just? Yes, I Yannah Anne. I think she wants too,

588
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: and I think she likes him and likes the idea

589
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: of all this, but I don't really think it's fully

590
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: there for her like she's saying it is. And maybe

591
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm just picking it apart, because there's moments

592
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: for Peter, like there's a dinner table and she's saying

593
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: or she's saying, you know, I love you, or I'm

594
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: falling in love with you, and she's just kind of

595
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: it's like there's not that giddy excitement. And maybe that

596
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: was just me that that's how I feel when I

597
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: feel I love but there was just something. I'm like,

598
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's all add enough for me here. Yeah,

599
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean I can see how it kind of seems

600
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 1: a little bit of a puppy love relationship. But I

601
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: mean one thing, and Becca, you know this, when you

602
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: get to this point in the season, you don't want

603
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: to have to question anybody's commitment to you, and so

604
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate that Hannah Anne is allowing him to or

605
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: letting him know this is where I stand, this is

606
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: how I feel I'm going to be here. I'm confident

607
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: in us, and the other two girls that he has

608
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: left are not giving him that. So I really think

609
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Hannah Anne stepped up in a way we haven't seen, frankly,

610
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: from any of his top rough what's the word the

611
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: top runners? I don't know why, thank you? I was

612
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: gonna say four runners. I think I think Hannah Anne

613
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: became the new Madison. And like you said, one thing

614
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: I've noticed in the history of this show is it

615
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: is the ones that will make life a little easier

616
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: on you. Now we'll get into Peter and Victoria, because

617
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: that's a very interesting relationship that I have a lot

618
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: of theories on, and he's very different in that way.

619
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: But for the most part, when you guys go through this,

620
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: the guy's and the girls, it is those that will,

621
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, let the air out of the balloon and

622
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: they can just relax with you and make it easy.

623
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: And Madison has done that for Peter this entire time. Well,

624
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: now Hannah Ann is doing that. So I think she

625
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: is kind of the new Madison. And that's why I

626
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: think she really shine this week. Is it was just easy.

627
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: It was so simple, and I thought it was loving.

628
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: I thought it was really sweet, and I thought she

629
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: expressed herself finally really did a good job of articulating

630
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: her feelings in love. And so for the first time

631
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: I really believed in her. I did too articulating. Something

632
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: else has been missing this sea talking yes word, we

633
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: don't use much season Victoria. F let's get into her

634
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: because we mentioned her now I have. There are a

635
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: lot of things that have bothered me when it comes

636
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: to Victoria, but I finally got what it is. She

637
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: doesn't look you in the eye when she talks to you,

638
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: and I think that is very telling. Even when Peter's talking, right,

639
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: she looks down, Yeah, like how does how would that

640
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: make you feel? I mean, I like I'm the same way.

641
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: I like eye contact as well. Here's the thing with Victoria,

642
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: explain we want to I only know this because of

643
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: my own missteps in life, in my own relationships. But

644
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: I had two conversations with two men in the last

645
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: five days who basically defined the same relationship. Peter is

646
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 1: in with Victoria that is, and I guarantee the two

647
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: of you have had these as well. You get to

648
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: a point I did after my divorce of a crazy

649
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: chemistry relationship. It's on fire. I mean, it's you know,

650
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: on a level you don't even understand, and it's coming

651
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: at you and it's a thousand degrees and you've never

652
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: had that kind of passion before. Well, that can't be it,

653
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: and it's not sustainable. And the quote of the season

654
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: might be when Peter said, and everything in our relationship

655
00:32:52,400 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: is great, yes, but we don't communicate welly. So when

656
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: I saw that, I thought, you know what, that just

657
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: completely explained everything about this relationship. And I will admit

658
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: I've had a relationship like that too post divorce. It

659
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: was hot, it was heavy, it was this crazy chemistry

660
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: I hadn't had in a long time. And I'm like wow,

661
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is not working out and it's

662
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: so volatile and it's so wrong on so many levels.

663
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: And it's the relationship. Your friends are going, what are

664
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: you thinking? And you break up and then what do

665
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: you do? You get back in? Yeah, and you do

666
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: it again, and then your first thought is why the

667
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: hell am I back in this relationship. Now I got

668
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: to break up again. But I swear to you. In

669
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: the last week, I've had two conversations with two other

670
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: guys who were in the same situation, and from the outside,

671
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, this is Peter in Victoria. He can't help himself.

672
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: She is not only the drug he needs. Yeah, she's

673
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: also kryptonite. Yeah, he wants a fantasy sweeter if we

674
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: said it last week, but it's not as simple yet

675
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: he does. I think it goes beyond that. It's just

676
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: it's that relationship you want to fix, you want to save,

677
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: because God, it's so good when it's good, but when

678
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: it's bad, it's just sewage. See. This is why it's

679
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: great to have the mal opinion. You know what I mean. Becca.

680
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: We couldn't have said it this way. We couldn't have

681
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: and I actually now understand a lot better. I'm not

682
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: saying it's okay, but thanks, Chris. But we've all been there.

683
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: I've done it. I've been there, done that. I have

684
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: the sweatshirt the girl three times. Now I have to

685
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: ask you this, Chris, because again, the title of this

686
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: episode is am I missing something? The conversation that Victoria

687
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: and Peter have that evening. She continues to say I

688
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: don't know more times than I could count. I ran

689
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: out of fingers. This is when he pressed her and said,

690
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: what was it about this last relationship that you didn't

691
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: feel good enough? And she all she kept saying was

692
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then towards the end of it,

693
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: as they're you know, they're reading the card from you,

694
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: they're getting the key, He's like, this is the best

695
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: conversation that we've ever had, and I'm going to curse here.

696
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: I was like, bitch, where where was this conversation? Did

697
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: we miss something? Because because and then the best quote

698
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: was we haven't fought yet. That was it. That's why

699
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: it was so good. Did they hadn't tried to kill

700
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: each other? Well, this is the time to have that

701
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: heated passion, so you can take that into the fantasy suite.

702
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: But they that was it. They hadn't yelled at each other.

703
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: And but you know, again you see the emotion when

704
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: she can't what's the word, articulate her feelings when he

705
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: says what was it about this last relationship? And then

706
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: she go back to sitting on the stoop at the

707
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: hometowns when she couldn't complete a sentence there and really

708
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: explain what was happening, and she never really said anything.

709
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: And then she looks at me and and says, you got it,

710
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: you understand, and you just want them to go. No,

711
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: what what could I possibly understand? Of course I don't understand.

712
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: You're not saying words. He's like, it's getting late. We

713
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: need to go ahead and pull this car out, get

714
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: this thing moving along. But it is funny. I just

715
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: I you know again, I love the show because it

716
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: is so relatable to so many relationships we've all been in.

717
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: And these these all all these are represented in our lives,

718
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: and so we've all been there where, like you said,

719
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: we've tried to change the bad boy. We've tried to

720
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: fix somebody. I'm a caretaker. I always try to fix people,

721
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: and so we've been there. Yeah, and you see this

722
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: coming a mile away. But you can't save people from themselves.

723
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: And I know this as the host and as the

724
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: therapist and as a dad, you can't say people from themselves.

725
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: All you can do is give them the best information.

726
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: And then he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And

727
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: sure he's he's he's really falling for Victoria, this is real.

728
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't. Hey, I want to, you know, spend the

729
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: bottle with this girl in the fantasy suite. It's real. Yeah.

730
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: To him, it's real. Yeah. And and nobody knows your

731
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: relationship like you do, so we don't. We don't get it.

732
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: We can speculate, we give our opinions, but we're not

733
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: in this thing with Peter and Victoria. I do have

734
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: one more question before we cut to a break. We

735
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: talked about Madison a bit. When Madison pulled Peter to

736
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: the side in that hangar right after that last row

737
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: ceremony that we saw, do you think that she was

738
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: expecting Peter because now it's down to three women. We

739
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: saw what happened last Bachelor's season when it was down

740
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: to three women. Do you think she was thinking, if

741
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: I give him this ultimatum, maybe he'll just rev up

742
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: the engine. We'll hop in this airplane and piece out

743
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: and leave these two girls standing there and that's the

744
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: end of the season. He felt maybe there was a

745
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: certain sense of arrogance there, Yeah, that like, maybe I

746
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: feel like our connection is so strong that I will

747
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: just pop this balloon now. And and he said her straight,

748
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: which again. I was proud of Peter saying there are

749
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: two other women here and I can see a future

750
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: with them as well. Yeah, I need time to figure

751
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: this out. He did a good job. I will say this.

752
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: I will give him credit for the things he's going

753
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: to get beat up for, and he does. I was

754
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: with Peter last night, actually, we had dinner, and we

755
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: were talking about how his skin is though thick because

756
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: he's just getting crushed this season. But he's such a

757
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: good guy and he has such a great strong belief

758
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: in his family and his faith and all that. He

759
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: knows where his worth comes from. So while he's getting

760
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: crushed by baturnation, he still knows he's doing his best

761
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: and he's a good man, and he tries to make

762
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: these decisions he just can't um. But yeah, I think

763
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: maybe she thought our relationship is so strong as could

764
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: be over So I'll ask you this, then I'll leave

765
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: you with this, since you did have dinner with Peter. Yes,

766
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: and we see on the previews for the next week

767
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: that he's questioning the decisions that he made in Fantasy Week.

768
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: Does he still have those same regrets? Yes, whoa and

769
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: that's and and that's that's We're just gonna put a

770
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: pin in it right there. Well, I wasn't expecting that answer. Okay,

771
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more from Chris Harrison. Don't

772
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: go anywhere, Okay, Chris. For maybe the first time, I

773
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: know since I've been watching this season, and I'm sure

774
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: for other people, we have no idea what's to come.

775
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: Even as crazy as Colton season was, this is this

776
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: is on another level. So please, I'm begging you from

777
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: all of us in bachnation, can you tell us what's

778
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: We've got the reunion coming up, We've got the finale

779
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: one more week, Club us. Something is the tell all.

780
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: We'll bring obviously everybody back and it's gonna that that's

781
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting with this group, um, because it's a

782
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: very different dynamic in the house as well as just

783
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: a very different season. And then obviously we're off to

784
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: well we stay in Australia and that's where the finale

785
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: takes place. In that final week, we switched towns, but

786
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: we're still there and it's it is unlike any season

787
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: we've ever had as far as the finale and how

788
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: it ends. And you saw that you see a little

789
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: bit in the supertes with the dramatic and him being

790
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: upset because he gets some news. That final couple of

791
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: days you see his mom. We're finally going to get

792
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: the answer of who his mom is talking about. Um,

793
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: the Meryl Streep moment of bringing her Meryl Streep wishes

794
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: she had those skills. I love Barbe, absolutely love that woman.

795
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: But um, you know, there is so much that's left

796
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: to unpack and to go through. I feel like the

797
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: season's barely started honestly considering what's about to happen in

798
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: the final week of the show, which is wild to say. Wait,

799
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: so Chris Harrison, are you saying it's not over, like

800
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: even after the final are we still going I didn't

801
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: say that, but I will say it's never over till

802
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: it's over. Oh my gosh. But there's just a lot

803
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: more to come before we can get to a conclusion.

804
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: And there's a lot more that's about to happen, and

805
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: on so many levels, Well, we know you have your

806
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: work cut out for you, more than ever at Women

807
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: Tell All this year, So we do wish you the best.

808
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, how do you you know? How

809
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: do you this? This has been frustrating for us to watch.

810
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: How do you muster up the I don't know that,

811
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: Like I know that you're a host, you're an executive producer,

812
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: like approaching each season, and then there's just so much

813
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: like we're frustrated watching I'm sure you're frustrated in it,

814
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: Like how do you keep going each season? Other than

815
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: the money? I'm not gonna lie that that helps. Um,

816
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not on a tour bus in Salt

817
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Lake City, so but you know, I still, first of all,

818
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: I love the people I work with, and I mean

819
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: the crew too, but but also you guys, you know,

820
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: going through what we went through, and going through what

821
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: Becca and I went through, and even going through now

822
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: this guy Peter and working through it with him, I

823
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: get I get excited about it. I find it interesting.

824
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating on so many levels of relationships

825
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: and following the show. I'm a fan of the show too,

826
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: And so I also want answers. I want to pin

827
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: these people down, like I want to know why you

828
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: say the word lingerie? Um, and yeah, and Finasco or

829
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: feet whatever it was he was trying to say, like

830
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, exactly. So I've always thought when you're

831
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: doing an interview, it's like if the person at home

832
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: is screaming at their television, I want to ask those

833
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: questions and so um. I still enjoy most of it.

834
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: There are times when it will dissolve into some barking

835
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: and screaming and all that, and I'm like, okay, I

836
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to drop this and walk out.

837
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: But for the most part, I find it fascinating. And

838
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: what I'm about to go through with Peter over the

839
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: next two weeks was fascinating. It took every ounce of

840
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: our energy in power to get through this. Yeah, there

841
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: were a lot of tears. I mean, there was a

842
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: lot of everything, cussing, you name it, you know how

843
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: it goes. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'll say this

844
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: for Peter as I've said it for the two of you.

845
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: This is his life. And say what you will about

846
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: him or Madison or Hannah Ann or you know, Victoria.

847
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: These are real people and we're we're you know, and

848
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: I know you're privy to some of this. When we

849
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: get to tell All, we're actually going to deal with

850
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: some of this stuff at the tell All. I'm not

851
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: sure how yet, but it's gotten to a new level

852
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: of people feeling like you're at a sporting event. You've

853
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: paid your ticket. Therefore I can yell and scream and

854
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: say whatever I want to this human being. That's not

855
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: how life is. That's not how it goes. There are

856
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: rules to our society that are being broken and lines

857
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: that are being crossed, and we're going to deal with that.

858
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: And I hate to be cryptic, but we'll deal with

859
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: that at the tell all a little bit more. Um,

860
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: we've dealt with it in the past where people have

861
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: really overstepped their bounds. But you know, I feel a

862
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: little protective of all of you, and I feel like

863
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's time I need to step in a little

864
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: bit more and have a talk with the class. Yeah,

865
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: maybe maybe take the world to task on a couple

866
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: of things. But um, you know, he is a He's

867
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: a man who's gone through this journey and if you

868
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: love it, hate it, whatever, this is his life. And

869
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: there's some crazy steps that are to come before we

870
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: get to the end of this. If we do right, well,

871
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: we can't wait. We thank you for what you do.

872
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: Where's Hannah Your work is never done? Which one Hannah.

873
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: There's Hannah, There's the producer, There's Hannah Anne. I mean,

874
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: I can't even keep him straight. This guy he's got it.

875
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: He's got him lined up like planes at lax. Well,

876
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: we thank you for the service that you do for

877
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation. I mean, like I said, your work has

878
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: never done it to see to get harder and harder

879
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: every every single year. But before we let you go, yes,

880
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: we love to play a game with our guests. Okay,

881
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: so of course, in the spirit of Chris Harrison, we

882
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: are going to play the most dramatic game ever. So Chris,

883
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: this is how this is gonna work. Okay, we know

884
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 1: that's one of your favorite phrases. So today we're gonna

885
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: put you in the hot seat and you're gonna pick

886
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: which moment was actually the most dramatic. Got it? All right?

887
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: So back? Are you ready? Yes, I'm lost that race, Chris,

888
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Bring it? Go? Go ahead, back and

889
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: give it to him? All right. I'm going to kick

890
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: it off with the first one. So Chris, between these two,

891
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: who was the most dramatic Bachelor of all times? We

892
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:46,479
Speaker 1: have Juan Pablo or Brad Womack. Brad Womack Season one

893
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: with him when he didn't make a choice was pretty wild,

894
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: but overall, Juan Pablo from start to finish was probably

895
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: the most dramatic. I know a lot of people feel

896
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: like I don't like anyone whatever, I don't dislike him.

897
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: I found it fascinating. Again, what makes a guy tick?

898
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: What made him do what he did? I thought that

899
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: season was from start to finish dramatic, although Brad Womack's

900
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: very last moment may have trumped him. Can I just

901
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: say that I ran into Wan Pablos. I've never told

902
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: anybody this. I ran into want Poblos mom in Miami,

903
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: and she pulled me to the side and she wanted

904
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: to have a full conversation with me about like how

905
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: her son wasn't done right, and she like really wanted

906
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: me to tell tell me who he is and the

907
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: type of person. And I just said, ma'am, I didn't

908
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: even watch this season. I wasn'mportant yet you know, I

909
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: felt bad because they were such lovely people, they were

910
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: such lovely parents. Yeah, she was great, And I'm like,

911
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: how did that again? Big question that see? How did

912
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: that come from? That? Passing that movie? Yeah? Exactly, very interesting, okay, Chris.

913
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: The most dramatic Limo entrance moment Alexis Waters dressing up

914
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: as a shark. Never forget shark dolphin right like or

915
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: Jenna on Peter Season bringing a bringing an emotional support

916
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: a cow. I mean those weren't dramatic as much as

917
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: they were hysterical. Yeah. Um, I mean Alexis goes down

918
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: in history not only coming in as a shark thinking

919
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: she was a dolphin, but just how that carried over

920
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: into paradise and all that. So I'm gonna go Alexis.

921
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: And I also love and respect how she wore it. Yeah,

922
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: I mean not literally, I mean emotionally. She she really

923
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: wore it well and owned the whole thing. Yeah, Rachel,

924
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: I have to ask them to your friends. Does she

925
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: still have that costume? I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know,

926
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. She's got other costumes though?

927
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: Oh who? Not only like like she's just a fun person,

928
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Alexis slide into her DM fellas all right. Next, the

929
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: most dramatic lying moment was it when Ali Sanatowski confronted

930
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: Justin Riego about having a girlfriend, or when Rapels to

931
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: the fronted de Mario about having a dolphriend And well,

932
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: with all due respect to Rachel, hers was good because

933
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: it also included Kareem Abdul Jabbar, which is when can

934
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: you say when can you say that there was Demario

935
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: the girlfriend, but I mean Rachel just kicked his ass

936
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: and it was such It was such a one sided beating.

937
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: But honestly, one of the craziest moments in the history

938
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: of the show was Ali and justin because we were

939
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: in Turkey and because he was on one leg, he

940
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: was in a boot, and we were in such a

941
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: conservative country, in a conservative hotel in Turkey, in Istanbul,

942
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: and he starts running through that we had promised them

943
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: up and down that we would be very cool, very calm.

944
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: We're the bachelor. We could never promise such things. He's

945
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: running outside, climbing through fountains and there's a restaurant. All

946
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: these people are in Istanbul going what is happening? And

947
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: this guy was running away from us. And so that

948
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: moment and we actually lost him for a little bit

949
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: in the stairwell, so that that moment will go down

950
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: in history is the most dramatic. But that wins. But

951
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: Cream Abdul Jabbar, was that your breakup? That was pretty awesome.

952
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: That wins definitely. Rood Tomorrow ruined that moment. For me,

953
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: all right. Most dramatic two on one Most dramatic two

954
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: on one day Ashley I and Kelsey on Chris soul

955
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: season or Chat and Alex Njojos season. I mean Ashley

956
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: I takes the cake because also where that was, they

957
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: were out in the desert, so it was just like

958
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: out in the bad lands, I believe we were, and he,

959
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, and he ends up breaking up with both.

960
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: Just the tears from Ashley I. You can't top that.

961
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: But we've had. I mean, I'll go back to some

962
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: good ones, you know, Lieutenant Andy Baldwin who left some

963
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: I forget who it was, but he left her on

964
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: the deck of an aircraft carrier. That was stunning. And

965
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: then going back to Ali leaving a guy on a

966
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: glacier pretty good. He's guarding and protecting his glacier, okay, Chris.

967
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: Most dramatic reenactment. These are my personal fhaves. When a

968
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: crew member jumped off a balcony to avoid being caught

969
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: with Michel on Paradise Season one, or when Peter Webber

970
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: split open his head on a golf cart. This isn't

971
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: even close, Putts, Ryan Puts, that was the name of

972
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: the crew member that took the fatal leap off the

973
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: second story balcony. The sheer stupidity and craziness and insanity.

974
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I was pulled into breakfast. I

975
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: was woken up and Martin Hilton, who is an executive

976
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: producer and president of our company, calls me and says,

977
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 1: you're not going to believe this. Get to breakfast right now.

978
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, and he tells me this story. And

979
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: I was looking around as if there were cameras because

980
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: I was just someone was jerking around on me. That

981
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: couldn't be real because there's so many things that could

982
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: have happened before he decided to jump down and break

983
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: both of his ankles. So by far, Ryan Putts, I

984
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: first of all petitioned for more of these these re enactments.

985
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: They're fantastic. Well, and it was mine. I will take

986
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: a little credit because my back ground is journalism and

987
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: my background as a news guy, and I thought I

988
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: wanted to go like seventies eighties reenactment where we got

989
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: it dummy and we literally threw it dummy off and

990
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: it was like really over the top. Dan Rather is

991
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: this is if this was the most important news report.

992
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: Anybody was ever giving and we really layed into it

993
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: and that's where the whole reenactment thing even started. So

994
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: we got to give kudos. He's in the Hall of Fame,

995
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: the Potts Hall of Fame. There will never be another.

996
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: You can't you can't, you cannot top that, all right,

997
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: most dramatic I Love you moment of all time when

998
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 1: Ben says I love you to both Jojo and Lauren,

999
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: or when Juan Pablo says I like you to Nikki

1000
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: Ferrell at the road. No, in all fairness, one Pablo

1001
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: says I like you a lot. He said a lot,

1002
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: So that's really close to but Ben saying I love

1003
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: you sincerely to two women, Um, and now you know

1004
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: you think those two great women to fall in love with.

1005
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: But that was it for sure because the one Pablo thing,

1006
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: I just felt horrible. I felt great for Andy Dorfman

1007
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: and Claire who escaped in that final three, but I

1008
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: felt terrible for Nikki, who was like trying to have

1009
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: her moment and this guy says I like you a

1010
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: lot and then didn't understand why that wasn't enough. But

1011
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go Ben, just who was you know,

1012
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: He's not the he's not the only one anymore rights,

1013
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: but he was the first. It was a big deal,

1014
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: and you would think people would learn not a great idea. Well, Chris,

1015
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: I have to ask this one, and I think our

1016
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: listeners would absolutely love it. But we need to know.

1017
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: What was your most dramatic memory of being on the

1018
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 1: show in eighteen years? The most dramatic moment. Oh my gosh,

1019
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: to me, the most dramatic moment was? Was it December sixth,

1020
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, Trista's wedding. I'll never forget being

1021
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: at that wedding. We weren't sure what the show was

1022
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: up till then, and then Trista kind of solidified and

1023
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: legitimized this franchise, and we decided we were going to

1024
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: throw a wedding, and a million people, you know, we're

1025
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: clamoring to get into this wedding. It was crazy, and

1026
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: we threw this wedding out in Palm Springs. We all

1027
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: drove out there. Wasn't sure what to expect because we

1028
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: hadn't thrown a wedding before, and it was just crazy

1029
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: and I'll never get There was three helicopters hovering about

1030
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: one hundred feet above this hotel trying to get paparazzi shots.

1031
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: You couldn't hear anything, and we had snipers out in

1032
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: the desert trying to keep people from hiking in. It

1033
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: was wild, and that to me when I thought, on

1034
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: a lot of levels, my life has changed. This show

1035
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: is nuts, This show is going to go on forever,

1036
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: and but it's real. At the end of the day,

1037
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: there was this beautiful wedding and this young kid, you

1038
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: may have heard him, Brad Paisley started his career that night. Whoa.

1039
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: We gave him the gig. We gave him the gig

1040
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: to sing at the reception, and I'll never forget he

1041
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: came out, there's a little hat and and he's like, hey,

1042
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, mister Harrison, we really appreciate you giving me

1043
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: this big break. And so for so many reasons, that

1044
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: moment was this kind of just lightning in a bottle

1045
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: moment that I'll never forget. I had no idea that

1046
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: any of that ever happened other than the wedding, right,

1047
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: I had no ideas behind it. I remember said that

1048
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: we were in the middle of Meredith's season of The Bachelorette,

1049
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: and so we were trying to wrap up her season.

1050
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: We actually took a pause, we did a rose ceremony,

1051
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: we all got in a limo, drove out to Palm Springs,

1052
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: shot for two days, went back and did Meredith Finale.

1053
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: And in the midst of that, personally, my then wife

1054
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: was nine point nine months pregnant, we were due and

1055
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: she was having contractions during Meredith Finale. So I was

1056
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: about to have my second child, ding, a wedding, and

1057
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: then Meredith Finale all in one month. So there was

1058
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: a wild time. That's why they pay you the big bucks.

1059
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: Didn't then, but they do now. Chris, It's been so

1060
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: great to have you on the podcast. Thank you so

1061
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: much for being here. I just want to say thanks

1062
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: for finally having me on. Congratulations on the podcast. I

1063
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: love you both very much. Oh, I really do. I

1064
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: love well. I mean I text you Rachel all the

1065
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: time because of your success on ESPN and all the

1066
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: things you're doing. You are kicking ass in the world,

1067
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: and I truly love when I get to see you

1068
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: guys grow and do such great things. And Becca the same.

1069
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: I know you and Ben are on the road doing

1070
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: the Lord's Work and doing the live show, but I

1071
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: do I love when I see that you know we've

1072
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: been through this and we have that extraordinary connection. And

1073
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: then when you guys go off and do great things,

1074
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: I take a lot of pride, not that I have

1075
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: anything to do with it, but I take a lot

1076
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: of pride and know you do. And thank you so

1077
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: much for saying that, both to Becca and I and

1078
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: I will say because a lot of one of the

1079
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: big questions that we get all the time is how

1080
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: involved is Chris Harrison with you guys? Do you really

1081
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: get to see him when you're a contestant, not as much,

1082
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: but when you are in the lead of the show,

1083
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: you travel together. We are with you, and there were

1084
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: times when we had conversations and I know I asked

1085
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: you about advice post show and you were more than

1086
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: happy to give it to us and to counsel us

1087
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: and just kind of be that voice of reason when

1088
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: you don't have your family and your friends around, so

1089
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: you have to give yourself credit. You do more than

1090
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 1: I'd like to say to all of you that look,

1091
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: if we need to have a conversation, like a real conversation,

1092
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: I got nothing in this. I'm fine either way. I'll

1093
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: help you. Yeah, like I want what's best for you, guys,

1094
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: I really do. I want this to work out, and

1095
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: luckily for the two of you, it has, which is awesome.

1096
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, Well, letting go, because we could

1097
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: keep talking to you, Chris, I can keep trying to

1098
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: All I need is the first baby to be named Christopher.

1099
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: That's it. I suppose that actually doesn't happen yet. Harrison, Chris, Chris,

1100
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: I actually love the name Harrison for a boy. Very presidential.

1101
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, very presidential. So who knows Harrison Kufran because

1102
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: she's keeping her name? Are you? But I love you

1103
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: both very much. Congrats on the podcast and continue success.

1104
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: Thank you. We love you too. Thanks Chris, we love

1105
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: you all right. Well, apparently you forgot to do Cats

1106
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: and Rats of the Week last week and people were upset.

1107
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how people are looking forward to this,

1108
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: so Becca, we got to make sure that we get

1109
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: it done. It is time for our Cats and Rats

1110
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: of the Week. There are some cats and some rats,

1111
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: beccare we're Detta slim pickens at this point, So who's

1112
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: your cat? Who's your rat? You know? On very slim pickens. Um.

1113
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: As much as I did like Madison until this point

1114
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: she do kind of take a turn, So she's going

1115
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: to be the rat of the week. Just confronting Peter

1116
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: with everything in this moment. I think it made it

1117
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: very tough for him. Obviously, we'll have to see how

1118
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: that plays out. And then my cats, I'm going to

1119
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: give it to Hannah Anne. I mean, I have my thoughts,

1120
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: but I think she did still step it up this

1121
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: week and was able to assculate a little bit more

1122
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: with feelings. So it's going to Hannah, and Okay, I

1123
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: agree with you completely. My rat as well, goes to Madison,

1124
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: just for the timing and delivery of this information she's

1125
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: been holding on too for nine weeks. And I'm like

1126
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: my cat to Peter. Yep, I'm making Peter a cat

1127
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: this week just because I like it. I really appreciated

1128
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: his honesty, his understanding of Madison's beliefs and standards and

1129
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: acknowledging that, but then also being she was being true

1130
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: to who she was and he was being true to

1131
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: who he is. He said, I prospect that, but that's

1132
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: not me. And I appreciated even though he slightly outed

1133
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: the women that he said, I have been intimate, and

1134
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: he was honest and Honesty is something that not everybody

1135
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: is strong enough to do, so I appreciate that from

1136
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Speaker 1: Peter