Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're black, We're brown. My blind AMBITI girl,
Speaker 1: Hey man, joy, that was take two and not doing
Speaker 1: take three.
Speaker 2: Oh if that was take two, I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear table. How odd happy happy middle of July. I'm
Speaker 2: hanging in there. I'm hanging in there. We just put
Speaker 2: the baby down by the hair of my chinny chinchin.
Speaker 2: I got here in time. Homeboy is sleeping twelve hours
Speaker 2: a night.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I could only if I could only go back to
Speaker 2: little baby Mandy from four months ago and tell her
Speaker 2: it was going to be okay, she would have slapped
Speaker 2: me in the face and said, no, we won't. But yeah,
Speaker 2: things have been much much better. It could not his
Speaker 2: his whole turning into a regular human who sleeps long
Speaker 2: stretches could not have come at a better time. I'm
Speaker 2: finally feeling like I'm getting my brain back.
Speaker 1: Good. Oh that's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I I'm trying not to get two of
Speaker 2: my feelings about it. But this whole the news about
Speaker 2: Nia Rivera from Glee who passed away, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: that story. I can't That's the kind of stuff. When
Speaker 2: I was like really in the throes of postpartum anxiety,
Speaker 2: would I would have been like down for a whole day,
Speaker 2: just just like sobbing. But oh my god. So it's
Speaker 2: that four years. You know, baby in the boat.
Speaker 1: I know, and he's like, Mommy went for a swim,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what happened? Did she jump? Did she?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well they said that apparently lakes like that they are
Speaker 2: really big and the wind can cause riptides or currents,
Speaker 2: and so the press I did. I did watch a
Speaker 2: bit of the press conference. I was kind of following
Speaker 2: the news on Twitter, and they said that it seemed
Speaker 2: like she used just all of her energy to get
Speaker 2: her baby back in the boat, year old Josie, and
Speaker 2: then she had and then she basically couldn't save herself,
Speaker 2: which is just.
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, yeah, it's here, so yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Just with your baby. So my heart goes out to
Speaker 2: their family and I just want it makes me want
Speaker 2: to squeeze everybody. You know. Mortality is just it is
Speaker 2: just it looms. It looms, it looms, and you know,
Speaker 2: you don't want to let yourself get to drag down
Speaker 2: by it, but it does. I mean, with everything going
Speaker 2: on in this world right now, it's a lot it
Speaker 2: is just a lot, even for me sometimes. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: thankfully for this show, I cannot have something to look
Speaker 2: forward to. Dr Dave reading these crazy headlines, Yeah, do
Speaker 2: you have any good news to share?
Speaker 1: What did you?
Speaker 2: What did you cook for dinner? You said you cooked
Speaker 2: for Superman?
Speaker 1: I did. I mean it's not anything fancy, just some spaghetti.
Speaker 1: But it's like the way he loves it, because he
Speaker 1: like he was like, hey, bab I know. And that's
Speaker 1: why I feel so bad because when I'm always like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, girl, like the fact that he's so
Speaker 1: geeked about spaghetti.
Speaker 2: Is like so telling Loki sounds so comforting and delicious.
Speaker 2: Right now, I haven't had spaghetti, and I don't even know,
Speaker 2: like bears, when's the last time I had a big
Speaker 2: old bowl of spaghetti? You know? But like I did
Speaker 2: you use like did you make your own sauce or
Speaker 2: were you talking like prego here? Well see what I
Speaker 2: do with like don't say ragu no.
Speaker 1: So what I do is like, you know, like I
Speaker 1: cut up fresh garlic and onion and peppers, and so
Speaker 1: I will jazz up a sauce, you know, like whatever
Speaker 1: he has in that. I don't even know what I
Speaker 1: just poured the cannon and then like I'll you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't really eat meat, but we use ground turkey,
Speaker 1: so like I'll make the ground turkey first, all these seasonings,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I pour the sauce and then
Speaker 1: he's the type of so are you manajor? Are you
Speaker 1: a separate sauce noodle girl? Or are you a combined
Speaker 1: spaghetti person?
Speaker 2: I used to eat spaghetti like a savage, which was
Speaker 2: you put the dry noodles on the plate and then
Speaker 2: you PLoP the sauce on. That was me, because yeah,
Speaker 2: well that's what that's like the cartoons spaghetti that you
Speaker 2: see your whole life. You grow up and then any
Speaker 2: and then you get old enough for like a real
Speaker 2: Italian to be like, we do not eat that way.
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of accent that was, but yeah,
Speaker 2: they mix it up and this like this like the
Speaker 2: what did I read? Oh, we use way too much
Speaker 2: sauce in America, Like the pasta is supposed to be
Speaker 2: the star box. I don't know about that. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to drown out the taste of the cart here.
Speaker 1: No, because I never had it mixed. I remember the
Speaker 1: first time Superman made it for me. I was like,
Speaker 1: what is this? What is this sorcery? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I like it, so yeah, so I mix it all together.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so it was good and I've just made
Speaker 1: him like a side sound. But wee me and Supergirl
Speaker 1: today for lunch, I said, what should eat for lunch?
Speaker 1: She's always like, she said, I don't know what about Mexican?
Speaker 1: So she had tacos and I had vegetarian burrito.
Speaker 2: It was dilish, you ordered out or did you go out?
Speaker 1: No? We ordered out. We don't grow where where, so no,
Speaker 1: we ordered Tiffany.
Speaker 2: But Tiffany, listen, It's like people are out there living
Speaker 2: their lives and as if nothing is going on. And
Speaker 2: I am like here in the bunker, like what what's
Speaker 2: happening out there? Wire? And I see pictures, you know,
Speaker 2: like people eating on the sidewalk in New York. Not
Speaker 2: to mention even my home, my home state of Georgia,
Speaker 2: and what's going on there. It just like it feels
Speaker 2: like an alternate universe out there with always lives being lived.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the open, I don't feel I mean like
Speaker 1: I go out Wesson.
Speaker 2: Down my Trader Joe stuff with the damn Clorox wipe.
Speaker 1: I just don't feel comfortable like on the I go
Speaker 1: on the weekends, I will like go to my office
Speaker 1: to check the mail because no one's there. And then
Speaker 1: sometimes like you know, so I try to do big
Speaker 1: shopping now, so I went, I go to Costcos. I
Speaker 1: would say every two and a half months I've been going.
Speaker 1: So I've gone like two or three times since quarantine started.
Speaker 1: And I just get like a ton of everything and
Speaker 1: it's honestly more than enough. And then in between things
Speaker 1: like you know, veggies and fruit that you know that
Speaker 1: have to be eating in a timely manner. That's just
Speaker 1: like my Superman just gets that on those way home.
Speaker 1: So we've been really good with Like I'm just like
Speaker 1: I just don't and I hones see. The truth is
Speaker 1: I always have a big outside, go outside person anyway.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like more more from. But I do
Speaker 1: want to share something. So I feel like I haven't
Speaker 1: given you guys an update on business coaching. So I
Speaker 1: learned this exercise I feel like we can all do.
Speaker 1: It's called have you ever heard of your Zone of Excellence?
Speaker 2: No, but I'm paying attention because that sounds awesome. So
Speaker 2: are you talking or like no, well again, where are
Speaker 2: we going with us?
Speaker 1: So it can be anything. So really it's called I
Speaker 1: forget what like the actual full activity it is called.
Speaker 1: But there are four zones that you put an activity into.
Speaker 1: So Zone one are things that you love to do
Speaker 1: and you're good at them. That's one. Zone two things
Speaker 1: that you like to do. No. So Zone one is
Speaker 1: things that you love to do and you're great at them.
Speaker 1: So you literally create like a box, love to do great.
Speaker 1: Zone two like to do, you're good at it. Zone
Speaker 1: three don't like to do and you're good at it.
Speaker 1: Zone four don't like to do and you're bad at it.
Speaker 1: So what are the business? So? But I love about
Speaker 1: our business coach, it's just not him. He has a
Speaker 1: whole team. So he had everyone on the team do
Speaker 1: this activity and create a role scorecard, like almost like
Speaker 1: a report card for the things that you do. So
Speaker 1: list all of the activity that you do for the
Speaker 1: company and how many minutes that you work on these
Speaker 1: things and is it a one, a two, or three
Speaker 1: or four. So I'm looking and I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: something that I like, For example, brown ambition, I put
Speaker 1: well because it's not for my other company, but still
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time so brown ambition I
Speaker 1: put as a one love to do it, I'm good
Speaker 1: at it. It was just so interesting to see all
Speaker 1: of my activities rate it that way, like one, two, three, four?
Speaker 1: Do I love to do it and I'm really great
Speaker 1: at it, I'm excellent at it. Do I just like
Speaker 1: to do it and I'm good at it? Am I
Speaker 1: good at it? But I hate to do it? And
Speaker 1: do I hate to do it and I'm bad at it?
Speaker 1: And so you really don't want any threes in four
Speaker 1: and if you're spending a lot of time in the
Speaker 1: three and four zone, you really have to reevaluate, like
Speaker 1: what's really going on here? So it was just like
Speaker 1: I said, it was really powerful. And I don't think
Speaker 1: the activity is called zone of excellence, It's called something else.
Speaker 1: But zone of excellence is like where you're wanting to be,
Speaker 1: which is in the one.
Speaker 2: So you ideally want everything to be one or two,
Speaker 2: and then what do you do with the with the
Speaker 2: threes and fours? I mean, what if there's no one
Speaker 2: else to do that?
Speaker 1: So just well one first acknowledging, like so Zion who's
Speaker 1: our coach? Is always like, you know, celebrate the acknowledgment.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh you're so zion, so like, yay, I
Speaker 1: celebrate the fact I hate this thing, but.
Speaker 2: I diggust the tell's that's first.
Speaker 1: But then, you know, like you'd be surprised. Maybe there's
Speaker 1: someone on your team that wouldn't mind sharing in that
Speaker 1: responsibility because they actually have something in their three that's
Speaker 1: a two for you. So or maybe it's something like
Speaker 1: someone that you manage, Mandy might come to you and
Speaker 1: share like, you know, I'm really great at these, but
Speaker 1: this is not really something I enjoy. But you know,
Speaker 1: because you manage everyone, you know what, Sarah on the
Speaker 1: team actually loves that, do you see? Like that's why
Speaker 1: the role scorecard that he gave us is something that
Speaker 1: the team all did and we me as the leader
Speaker 1: and CEO and my other lead team we get to
Speaker 1: review to see is anyone's role or anyone's role scorecard
Speaker 1: full of threes and fours because we need to adjust
Speaker 1: what they do. So really it's it's their job to
Speaker 1: kind of say, you know, I'm really not happy in
Speaker 1: this space, but it's our job to say, what can
Speaker 1: we do to adjust? You know? And yeah, so because
Speaker 1: It could also be like, let's just say you're a
Speaker 1: really small team. It's just like, you know, you just
Speaker 1: starting your business and it's you in an intern. Well
Speaker 1: obviously you have to do all the things, but you
Speaker 1: might say, when I get a little money, I'm going
Speaker 1: to hire for three or four. But do you see,
Speaker 1: it just helps you to guide you with next steps,
Speaker 1: Like I hate emails. I hate emails. The next person
Speaker 1: I'm hiring is definitely an admin, you know, like or I.
Speaker 1: So it just it's just such a great tool to
Speaker 1: really understand, like are you spending your time within your
Speaker 1: zone of excellence? It's Quadrat one is called zone of excellence.
Speaker 1: Quadrant two is called zone of Ah dang it, I
Speaker 1: had it. It's called zone of acrity. No Quajet two
Speaker 1: is called zone of something something good. Quadjet three is
Speaker 1: called zone of competence. Quadrat four is called zone of incompetence.
Speaker 1: But I forget what Quadrit three is called. It's like excellence.
Speaker 2: I have so many jokes. I'm gonnauld thement.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just like I said, it was
Speaker 1: just a really good, like lesson an exercise. So just
Speaker 1: google like zone of excellence, quadrant or whatever. And it's
Speaker 1: just I think it's a really good exercise to.
Speaker 2: Do one of my I feel like one of the
Speaker 2: things that I enjoyed doing as a manager of people,
Speaker 2: and that also kind of drives me nuts because I
Speaker 2: have to. I feel like I have to do it
Speaker 2: a lot is tell people how to fix their problems
Speaker 2: by asking other people to help. It's it's amazing to
Speaker 2: me how often someone's complaining about something that they can
Speaker 2: absolutely fix by just asking for help or delegating or
Speaker 2: using the undn't resources at their behest. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think sometimes you know, you have people who who
Speaker 2: think if I'm not busy in killing myself, then I'm
Speaker 2: not working hard enough, or my boss doesn't think I'm
Speaker 2: working hard enough. But I mean, we had a meeting
Speaker 2: today one of my one of my editors. He won't
Speaker 2: I mean not that he listens. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: he does, but he wouldn't mind. He was he was
Speaker 2: kind of joking, but he was like, yeah, man, I'm like, patmos,
Speaker 2: I'm almost going to pass out, just so much to do.
Speaker 2: And I was like pass out where doing what this job?
Speaker 1: Editing?
Speaker 2: You're like, come on, now, who's passing out? Why are
Speaker 2: you feeling like you got to pass out, okay, And
Speaker 2: it turns out like all of our editors set their
Speaker 2: own goals right for the beginning of the month. Here's
Speaker 2: you know, the number of articles we're going to produce.
Speaker 2: Just I'm just super simplifying it. They literally set their
Speaker 2: own goals. And then when they complained about that, I'm like,
Speaker 2: who told you to publish ninety five things this month?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I did? I'm like, well, and you know it's it's
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not at that content sending, but it
Speaker 2: really is. It is I leave a lot of room
Speaker 2: for people to set their own goals. And I'm guilty
Speaker 2: of this too, you know, creating goals for myself that
Speaker 2: are on realistic, especially in this yeah realistic. And then
Speaker 2: even my therapist was like, so, who was in charge
Speaker 2: of what you your deadline? And I said, well me,
Speaker 2: and I mean it's I have to walk the walk
Speaker 2: and it's often me. And she's like, so, what's the
Speaker 2: worst that would happen? Would you fire yourself if you
Speaker 2: missed this deadline? I'm like, no, I mean I guess not.
Speaker 2: I guess I can change it. She's like, so, what
Speaker 2: you know anyway, anyway, so I think that's great because
Speaker 2: often and I also think the busyness like being busy
Speaker 2: for me as a manager, I want people to be
Speaker 2: spending their time busy with the things that only they
Speaker 2: can do. Yes, and I don't think there's enough time
Speaker 2: people spend. And that's why I love like our editorial assistant.
Speaker 2: And you know, we have other people on the team
Speaker 2: who can be sort of like your Swiss Army knives
Speaker 2: to pitch in and help out when there's tasks that
Speaker 2: are important, but not it's not the only task that
Speaker 2: you can do. Like there's things that I hired you
Speaker 2: for because you have these skills and you're good at
Speaker 2: this thing, and we're.
Speaker 1: Rated so much time of things and for clarity, my bad,
Speaker 1: because you're not the worst memory tool. It's zone of genius,
Speaker 1: so jone of genius is.
Speaker 2: Lovingly al sold on Zone of eler.
Speaker 1: Sorry but no. So Zone of genius is you love
Speaker 1: it and you're good at Zone of excellent is you
Speaker 1: like it and you're good at it. So Zone of
Speaker 1: genius you love it and you're great at it. So
Speaker 1: that's ideally if you can get the majority of your
Speaker 1: things and your genius, it's like Mandy you are. You
Speaker 1: might be like super organized, you're a great leader, you're
Speaker 1: a great writer, but you're also like a critical thinker.
Speaker 1: So you know, the role that you're in is perfectly
Speaker 1: in align with how you show up. Like for me,
Speaker 1: that's why teaching is like my jam because it's my
Speaker 1: zone of genius. It's like all the things that I
Speaker 1: am like, you know, fun, outgoing and you know, personality
Speaker 1: and so, but also wanted to share and be of service.
Speaker 1: So when I teach, that is my zone of genius
Speaker 1: because it's like all the things I actually enjoy are
Speaker 1: matched up with the things I really really really really
Speaker 1: really good at. So yeah, zone of genius one, zone
Speaker 1: of excellence to zone of competence three and zone of incompetence.
Speaker 2: For of course, I want to think about what am
Speaker 2: I incompetent at? Power points power points. The day that
Speaker 2: I realized I could delegate the creation of my power
Speaker 2: points was the day that I was like, this is
Speaker 2: I My life has been changed for the better. I said,
Speaker 2: you are officially the most valuable employee on myself camera
Speaker 2: editorial assistant because I'm never going to do a PowerPoint
Speaker 2: and you were going to do them because It's like
Speaker 2: I could sit here and type these words into bullet
Speaker 2: points and make them pretty and add witty gifts and
Speaker 2: things like that. Or I could have camera and who's
Speaker 2: very good at these things do it for me and
Speaker 2: then spend my time elsewhere.
Speaker 1: That's like for me, I say myself three hours. For me,
Speaker 1: it's probably technology stuff. Like I remember I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, pull this link or I'm going
Speaker 1: to like, you know, create this graphic girl. Why to
Speaker 1: in project management? Like I'm good at setting the intention
Speaker 1: and you know, doing my part, but I project management
Speaker 1: requires a level of organization that is foreign to why
Speaker 1: So like I'll start off good, like we got our checkpointed,
Speaker 1: our checklists, Yes a lot.
Speaker 2: That's my genius zone.
Speaker 1: So for me, that's zone of incompetence where I'm like,
Speaker 1: not only do I not like necessarily project managing at
Speaker 1: least not to the nitty gritty, I'm terrible at it.
Speaker 1: So it's like why am I leading this? You know?
Speaker 1: Like why did I ask Karen? Like I just actually
Speaker 1: had to talk with someone today who I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be helping to do a project, and I promised
Speaker 1: to take the lead on it. And actually had to
Speaker 1: call and have a candid conversation because I did my
Speaker 1: my my chart and I was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I promise I was going to be a lead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not capable. I'm not capable.
Speaker 2: I get this picture. What happens if someone comes to
Speaker 2: you like, actually, that's not in my zone of genius,
Speaker 2: so I can't talk about Sometimes is there a zone
Speaker 2: for your zone of nobody? But you here available, You're
Speaker 2: a warm body and you must do this to help
Speaker 2: the company.
Speaker 1: Right now, Well, I'll say this that, like I would
Speaker 1: think that what I wouldn't want. It's sometimes there are
Speaker 1: moments when you have to work in zone of competence,
Speaker 1: meaning it's something that you really don't care for but
Speaker 1: you're good at it. But I don't ever want anyone
Speaker 1: to work in zone in competence because you are literally
Speaker 1: doing a bad job and the thing that you hate.
Speaker 1: Why would I want anybody working in the bad job?
Speaker 1: You know? Like because they have of course, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's why.
Speaker 2: So those some people go ahead, Some people like some people.
Speaker 2: I have been at places not my current and player
Speaker 2: at all, but I have been in environments in the
Speaker 2: office where people really like to complain and they like
Speaker 2: that little misery stew in the zone of incompetence where
Speaker 2: they're not great at their job. They're also loved to
Speaker 2: bitch about it, and that is kind of like their thing,
Speaker 2: you know, just complaining and dragging everybody down, and they
Speaker 2: just fester and they're in the shadows of a work
Speaker 2: environment and they just bring they just the toxicity that
Speaker 2: Ooz is out of those people. Ooh. I was like,
Speaker 2: never again, let me be. I don't want to work
Speaker 2: with anybody like that.
Speaker 1: If you notice that other people, like I've gotten because
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate in that we have free range to let
Speaker 1: go folks like that because we have. We haven't hasn't
Speaker 1: happened often, but we have. But yeah, and then you know,
Speaker 1: if you're fortunate for those types of people to leave,
Speaker 1: what you learn is like after a while, you know
Speaker 1: it's in leadership. You learned to spot spot the template, right,
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm like, oh, I've had enough people.
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, ooh that, let's pretend names that's a Brian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna fool me. I met you three years ago,
Speaker 1: Like it's not you, but it's you. You know, like
Speaker 1: that type of personality and you're or you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a Sarah. Oh, Sarah's worked great here. So I've
Speaker 1: learned that there are certain personalities where I can tell
Speaker 1: where people sometimes will pretend they know how to do
Speaker 1: a thing but don't know how to do a thing.
Speaker 1: And there's certain languages that people use. I've had people
Speaker 1: who were, you know, kind of like for less lack
Speaker 1: of a better word, like a suck up, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's great, but what about the delivery? Oh oh, so
Speaker 1: you think that if we're KOUCHI that's what we say
Speaker 1: back in the day. If you think that we're that
Speaker 1: just means super I don't even know where me when
Speaker 1: I'm saying this is like second grade. If you think
Speaker 1: that we're coaching.
Speaker 2: Twenty lens, I don't know that we can say much.
Speaker 2: Klay might have to beat that out.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's okay, But I mean it's so crazy because
Speaker 1: that's something we used to say, like as a kid,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm thinking like where did that come from?
Speaker 1: But as kids we would say that. So if you
Speaker 1: think that you are super close to me, you think
Speaker 1: that we're super cool, then you know you don't have
Speaker 1: to actually do your work. So I recognize that you know,
Speaker 1: but these are things that you learned with time, because
Speaker 1: you don't know until you know. But yeah, like, I
Speaker 1: definitely don't want anyone working in zone up in competence
Speaker 1: because it's literally detrimental. It's just when I tell you, like,
Speaker 1: I'll share the next lesson for them for our next chap,
Speaker 1: but like, there's another lesson that I learned that I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, honestly, when I tell you business coaching
Speaker 1: has been the best money spend, I told you, guys,
Speaker 1: it was expansive, and at first I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. But when I tell worth its weight in gold,
Speaker 1: I mean worth this plus some. It was seventy thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for two months, which is not a little bit
Speaker 1: of money. And I really vacillated back and forth, but
Speaker 1: we were kind of stuck. So we're like, we really
Speaker 1: want to move to the next level. We want to
Speaker 1: go from just like you know, making just above seven
Speaker 1: figures a month, how do we really take ourselves to
Speaker 1: the next level. And there were things that were just
Speaker 1: in a way that we had tried everything that we
Speaker 1: knew to move past those things, and with this business coaching.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we're moving past so many things. The
Speaker 1: growth alone and it's just been a month has been amazing.
Speaker 1: The team is like, oh my gosh, this is so great.
Speaker 1: I love that it's not just coaching for me and
Speaker 1: my co founder. It's also like, so for those who
Speaker 1: don't know, not for the budgetating I don't have a
Speaker 1: co founder, but from my online school. But it's not
Speaker 1: just business coaching for me and him, because we get
Speaker 1: individual coaching every week, but it's also coaching for the team.
Speaker 1: So it's just, like I said, been an amazing experience
Speaker 1: and we've just grown tremendously. And I used to think, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I used to think business coaching
Speaker 1: was kind of scammy, just because I would hear so
Speaker 1: many women, especially who were taking advantage of But if
Speaker 1: you find the right coach, yeah, then it could just
Speaker 1: make all the difference. Like that money that we spent,
Speaker 1: we're already going to make that back as soon as
Speaker 1: we're done. There are things already I'm like, oh, we'll
Speaker 1: make that back honestly in the first week of our
Speaker 1: completion of this coaching, So that money is already money
Speaker 1: in the bank. Plus money moving forward. So asking for
Speaker 1: help is by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are people out there who make
Speaker 2: who have careers because they're so good at this type
Speaker 2: of thing. And also it's it's like anything, it's like
Speaker 2: personal therapy. It's about finding the right fit for you.
Speaker 2: And I mean, I think I talked to five different
Speaker 2: therapists before I settle on the one that I worked with.
Speaker 2: And what I love about the idea of any sort
Speaker 2: of outside third party who has knowledge of the industry
Speaker 2: or knowledge of how what you're doing can be successful,
Speaker 2: to look at your to look at the thing that
Speaker 2: you've been staring at and you're so in the weeds
Speaker 2: yourself and you can't see the forest for the trees.
Speaker 2: To have a third not a third, but a yeah,
Speaker 2: a third party looking at it. They will always call
Speaker 2: something to attention that you may not have seen yourself.
Speaker 2: You just have to be in the right space for
Speaker 2: it mentally to be to be open to that feedback
Speaker 2: and to be open for that, you know, to be
Speaker 2: open for that growth. Because you ever watched that show
Speaker 2: What's It on CNBC Marcus Lamoniz what's his show? Or
Speaker 2: he the profit? Yes, the profit yeah, where he goes
Speaker 2: into kind of. I mean it sounds not some of
Speaker 2: these businesses are like truly trash. That he'll go into
Speaker 2: a struggling business, a small business, and he will identify
Speaker 2: very quickly sort of what the weaknesses are. And the
Speaker 2: businesses that usually succeed are the ones whose owners are willing,
Speaker 2: the ones willing to listen and accept an outside view.
Speaker 2: And it's the ones who aren't ready for that yet,
Speaker 2: who are too stubborn, can't see their own you know, weaknesses,
Speaker 2: don't want to acknowledge it. They're the ones that struggle.
Speaker 2: If I were working for the budgetiesta to see that
Speaker 2: you're investing in this kind of this kind of coaching,
Speaker 2: and then it's not just for you, but also your staff.
Speaker 2: I mean, that sends a great message to them. It
Speaker 2: sends a message that, Okay, Tiffany, even Tiffany knows that
Speaker 2: she's not perfect and that we're not perfect, and she
Speaker 2: wants to grow and she knows and she recognizes in
Speaker 2: order to grow, we all need, you know, some outside council.
Speaker 2: And I feel like it'll bring all of you guys
Speaker 2: closer as a team, just that you're investing in this
Speaker 2: type of asset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bank at I can't wait to like, you know,
Speaker 1: da da da, I'll share some of like the major shifts,
Speaker 1: like we were done around I would say in August,
Speaker 1: well done, and then we have plans that we'll have
Speaker 1: to do and like enact and then but I can't
Speaker 1: wait to just share, like these are the major shifts
Speaker 1: that were made and as a result, this is where
Speaker 1: we are. So it just has me thinking differently, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's just growth, not just as a business. Honestly,
Speaker 1: most of the growth is really as a person and
Speaker 1: as a leader, like, oh, okay, these are the ways
Speaker 1: I have fall these are things I'm doing really well
Speaker 1: at and how to lean in you know, these are
Speaker 1: the ways where you know, how could I possibly know?
Speaker 1: It's still new to me, but here's where I can grow.
Speaker 1: You Yeah, you start to realize that the thing that
Speaker 1: brought you here oftentimes is also keeping you here, and
Speaker 1: you're like, god it that with each level you have
Speaker 1: to adjust, and so learning like what that looks like
Speaker 1: and learning how to adjust way before you reach that
Speaker 1: level is really like the key. So you don't want
Speaker 1: to be like, oh so I need level ten, you know, adjustment,
Speaker 1: And I might love a time right now it's like
Speaker 1: you should figure that out when you're at level seven,
Speaker 1: so the transition is smoother.
Speaker 2: Love it. So what once these two months are up,
Speaker 2: is there any kind of ongoing like once a year
Speaker 2: check in that's included? I mean, do you have any
Speaker 2: kind of follow up with this person?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Zion, So I'm not sure if like it's included,
Speaker 1: but certainly you can continue a relationship. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like what the cost of that is. And maybe I
Speaker 1: should have said his like well whatever, I've been sayingthing
Speaker 1: because I'm like, who knows, maybe his price is higher
Speaker 1: now because I hate sometimes telling people's prices, not because
Speaker 1: I don't mind share prices, but just because I'm like
Speaker 1: they might be like, hey, we charged one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Now I know the budget Lisa said that, but noupe
Speaker 1: not anymore. But either way, we're here.
Speaker 2: Every business is different. You have to be smart enough
Speaker 2: to know, Okay, well if my business has sixty employees
Speaker 2: and Tiffany has twenty, then probably the price will be different.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. And so yeah, so what happens is
Speaker 1: like what I really like they're super organizers, like we
Speaker 1: you do kind of like these pre meetings create a
Speaker 1: plan which is like this is the aim for our
Speaker 1: time together. This is what it's going to look like
Speaker 1: week by week by week, day by day by day.
Speaker 1: And it's just honestly, they've done everything from looking at marketing,
Speaker 1: from looking at our finances from we we we already
Speaker 1: had quarterly meetings kind of, but they taught us like
Speaker 1: this is what a quarterly meeting should look like. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, mind blown, Okay, it was so awesome. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I could tell the team was like, ah, because you know,
Speaker 1: quite honestly, we've been making it up.
Speaker 2: You know, amen to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like cause I don't know. I'm just like I
Speaker 1: always tell a team we're learning together to learn, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what's going to help us strategically move forward,
Speaker 1: and even learning things like when we do have like
Speaker 1: these kind of like teen meetings that like me and
Speaker 1: my business partner should really speak last, because oftentimes when
Speaker 1: leaders speak first, it sets the tone for what everyone
Speaker 1: else says. And so it's like, hey, guys, you know
Speaker 1: we're thinking about this new project. What do you think
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about this new project. I think we
Speaker 1: should do this, this, this, and this. What do you think?
Speaker 1: I agree?
Speaker 2: Tiffany versus why are you are talking to me right now? Right?
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, because you don't have more nuances
Speaker 2: I can sew that person. But so am I I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I told you can give me seat. Yes, And after
Speaker 2: I told you, how excited I was.
Speaker 1: Like, isn't that great?
Speaker 3: Guys? And They're like yeah, and so I was like,
Speaker 3: oh so just even liddle things like that, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: speaking last, it's just when I tell you, it's just been.
Speaker 1: So so awesome, And I just feel like, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's not even about the business as much as I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm growing as a person, Like ah, this is what
Speaker 1: real leadership looks like. Not to say I wasn't leading before,
Speaker 1: but this is what really creating a space for your
Speaker 1: employees to grow and to live in their zone of genius.
Speaker 1: This is what it really looks like to listen, because
Speaker 1: I always feel like I was a good listener, but
Speaker 1: not to just listen for listening's sake, but for listening.
Speaker 1: And then how do you take these suggestions and put
Speaker 1: them into a strategic plan of action? And it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: we've decided all these things and for the next three months.
Speaker 1: This is what we're working on, and we're not going
Speaker 1: to bring any new thing in. And if we are
Speaker 1: going to bring a new thing, we like, like a
Speaker 1: new pair of shoes, you have to throw away a
Speaker 1: pair of shoes to make room for this new pair.
Speaker 1: So it forces you not to overstretch, because that's one
Speaker 1: of our issues is that we are really excitable, like
Speaker 1: the Unicorn squad, and so we'll take on too many
Speaker 1: projects and it slows the whole process down. So it's like,
Speaker 1: how do we prevent them. It's by having these quarterly meetings,
Speaker 1: getting really clear we are, you know, we get clear
Speaker 1: and then we get unclear, and so learning like how
Speaker 1: not to do that into taking things into bite sized pieces.
Speaker 1: But like I said, it's been I could just tell
Speaker 1: like the company, everyone is just so excited, like wow,
Speaker 1: because to your point, Mandy, it's not just my business
Speaker 1: partner I get in coaching. We're all getting coaching. Everyone's
Speaker 1: getting a hand, you know, like here's your role scorecard,
Speaker 1: this is what's next step. So everyone's like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: we all are included in this. So yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: best money ever spent, and I would spend it again
Speaker 1: and again, well, you know, with a reason, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely the best money ever spent. I could see you
Speaker 1: doing something like this like once a year or once
Speaker 1: every two or three years, just to realign.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just yeah, I think it's investing in
Speaker 2: people and people. Everybody wants to grow like you. You
Speaker 2: want to grow in your in your job. And if
Speaker 2: you feel like there's no opportunities for you guys to grow,
Speaker 2: then that's when people start looking at other opportunities and
Speaker 2: they look for another job that will get them to
Speaker 2: next level. But you're keeping having the opportunity to level up,
Speaker 2: you know, in your words right here at the budgetess
Speaker 2: to ink level up, level up? Oh man, well let's
Speaker 2: level up and take a quick break and come back
Speaker 2: with some questions about.
Speaker 1: I love it, you know, I love me. Some questions.
Speaker 2: The zone of genius, Okay, we have to get that
Speaker 2: right zone of genius. What's in my zone of genius?
Speaker 2: I might think about that. I'm more worried about the
Speaker 2: zone of incompetent, zone of incompetence and zone of competence.
Speaker 2: Do I have enough self awareness to say when I'm
Speaker 2: incompetent at other than power point, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: did come back from attorney to leave and ask for
Speaker 2: a crazy promotion. I think my my my zone of
Speaker 2: incompetence is sometimes taking on No, that's what you say.
Speaker 2: That's the same thing. I just work too hard. No,
Speaker 2: but it's what you're saying. I love a challenge and
Speaker 2: I love to like you know, That's why I said
Speaker 2: I lost so many friends when I got I was
Speaker 2: talking earlier about the Fitbit and how and like the
Speaker 2: Peloton I'm getting my Peloton bike, and part of me
Speaker 2: is so competitive. I just want to like, I'm already
Speaker 2: thinking of all the records I'm gonna smash Amongst my friends.
Speaker 2: You have Pelotons, like they're not gonna see me come in,
Speaker 2: and how the Fitbit. Truly, I almost lost friendships, that's
Speaker 2: how competitive I was. But I just love a challenge
Speaker 2: and I just get so I get so set on
Speaker 2: it and it makes me successful, but it also I'm
Speaker 2: not happy at the end of the day. I'm run ragged,
Speaker 2: you know. So Yeah, when you know what you can do, look,
Speaker 2: I promise y'all a break, and I'm not even giving
Speaker 2: myself one.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's take to say. Something you can do
Speaker 1: is just to look on your calendar and just start
Speaker 1: writing down, like because usually I calendar all my big tasks,
Speaker 1: so that helped me to write those down and to
Speaker 1: really act myself as I was doing those tasks. How
Speaker 1: did I.
Speaker 2: Feel, m That's true? How do I feel?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: You gave me a lot to think about. We will
Speaker 2: take a quick break and be right back with y'all questions.
Speaker 2: And we're back with some questions. You guys, hit us up.
Speaker 2: We're at Brandon and Mission podcast on the Gram, where
Speaker 2: you can d m us your question. You can also
Speaker 2: send us an email at brown and wait, what's your email?
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Speaker 1: Even this, I remembered it after ride almost five years.
Speaker 1: I was like, I got I got it.
Speaker 2: I was just talking about being run ragged. I am
Speaker 2: so I'm so tied. I've done, I'm doing too much,
Speaker 2: but dam it. And Lauren was right. Lauren, my therapist,
Speaker 2: she was like, I don't know, Mandy, it seems like
Speaker 2: you're probably going to regret some of the things you've
Speaker 2: said yes too lately. And I'm like, no, I feel great,
Speaker 2: I feel amazing and I and honestly I lied to
Speaker 2: her on her last maybe you shouldn't lie to your
Speaker 2: Mandy water she because I knew she was right. I'm doing.
Speaker 2: My husband started going to work two days ago, two
Speaker 2: days a week. Well he always works, but into the
Speaker 2: city for two days a week, which means I'm here
Speaker 2: with the kiddo and my full time job all day.
Speaker 2: And I was like, it's only two days, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking myself out of basically getting help. And
Speaker 2: then I'm doing all this stuff. I'm you know, I
Speaker 2: felt this real call to action with the Black Lives
Speaker 2: Matter movement and the George Floyd protest. I felt this
Speaker 2: call to action. So like I said, you know, try
Speaker 2: and evoke change. And that's that's meant stepping up, you know,
Speaker 2: at my company, but then also doing some stuff in
Speaker 2: the community and at my at my alma mater. And
Speaker 2: it's all great, but I'm not necessarily doing the best
Speaker 2: job balancing at all. My zone of my zone of
Speaker 2: over wars, the zone of says yes too much, I know,
Speaker 2: the zone of over excited, project boundaries, over excited. Everything
Speaker 2: sounds great. I love to do things and to feel productive,
Speaker 2: but it just is so annoying that there's only twenty
Speaker 2: four hours in the day. I just need more hours,
Speaker 2: that's all I need.
Speaker 1: No, you need to see you you. I thought you
Speaker 1: said you love to draw a line. You're not drawing boundaries.
Speaker 2: Well, I know it's interesting. Maybe I should do the
Speaker 2: zone of No. I do love personal boundaries and everything
Speaker 2: I've said, yes too, I'm excited about. But it's a
Speaker 2: little bit. I do have a pattern, if I can
Speaker 2: use Lauren's words from I do tend to have a
Speaker 2: pattern of going through these like really like you know,
Speaker 2: I always say, like freshman Mandy at the career fair
Speaker 2: or the activities fair in college where I sign up
Speaker 2: for like way too many things. The next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm like treasurer of that group and secretary of that group,
Speaker 2: and I'll and I'm like, yes, I'll do that, and
Speaker 2: it all sounds great, and I do love the things
Speaker 2: I'm doing, but there's if you have too you can't
Speaker 2: be a genius if there's too much stuff in that zone,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And also too look, it's still it's still setting boundaries
Speaker 1: because it can be a lot of great things. Because
Speaker 1: there's so many great things that on my plate right now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: my gosh. But it's just not possible for me to
Speaker 1: say yes to all those things. I have to create space,
Speaker 1: and like I have, literally for the last two or
Speaker 1: three weeks, I've been working ten to twelve hours a day,
Speaker 1: money through Riday.
Speaker 2: It's like all in a row.
Speaker 1: Yo, It's insane, and I'm just like poor Superman.
Speaker 2: Working all in a row.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's like, I mean, that's why I make me
Speaker 1: making spaghetti today. He was like spaghetti. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, we're like two ships passing in the
Speaker 1: night and I'm like, now, So even though the things
Speaker 1: are exciting and they're they're amazing things, to what end.
Speaker 1: That's what I've been asking myself, Like these things are great,
Speaker 1: to what end? I have to prioritize, Like you reach
Speaker 1: a certain level because you're at that level where because
Speaker 1: you put in such amazing work, you are going to
Speaker 1: be reaping amazing things. Like you've sown apple seeds. Girl,
Speaker 1: you're picking apples. So you're like, oh my god, an apple,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the apple. It's like maybe they're all
Speaker 1: apples at this point. They are all apples. So what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? You know what I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you can't pick every single apple, eat every single apple.
Speaker 1: And so I realized, like, oh, oh, Tiffany, you are
Speaker 1: literally reaping what you've sown, and you've sown good things,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna pick good things. But you don't have
Speaker 1: to pick everything just because it's ready for harvest, because
Speaker 1: it's not possible to have all the things. You know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to decide today. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna have apple today. And it's okay, you know, because
Speaker 1: if not, you know, if I was twenty one with
Speaker 1: no you know, no husband, no fai family, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, aside from like my sisters and my parents,
Speaker 1: then yeah, you can go hard, like twenty four hours
Speaker 1: a day if you want. But I don't even want
Speaker 1: that now that that's just the truth. I don't. I
Speaker 1: want time down, like I want, you know, my niece
Speaker 1: and my nephew to come over and tear apart my house,
Speaker 1: you know, eat up all my cookies. I see you, Roman,
Speaker 1: I see you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So it's just like learning. I'm still learning how to
Speaker 1: say you know, no, I've gotten better actually told my
Speaker 1: mom know you I know, there's like questions, but it's
Speaker 1: almost like we're questioning ourselves. I told my mom, no,
Speaker 1: she wanted me to do, not in a bad way,
Speaker 1: but she wanted me to do like a something for
Speaker 1: like a group of her of a professional group of her,
Speaker 1: her professional group that she's a part of. And they
Speaker 1: wanted me to do like a keynote. And honestly, maybe
Speaker 1: I am exhausted, exhausted. And I looked on my on
Speaker 1: my my my role report card, my role card, to
Speaker 1: see like how did I feel about these types of
Speaker 1: like engagements, And I put them at like a three,
Speaker 1: sometimes a two, but mostly a three, meaning that I'm
Speaker 1: really good at them, but I really don't enjoy them anymore.
Speaker 1: And I was like so And then I also learned
Speaker 1: from Zion, so many times I say yes because I'm
Speaker 1: afraid of what people will think about me. And so
Speaker 1: I said, this is a time to tell your mom.
Speaker 1: I was like, honestly, Mommy, I'm just so so overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: I can't and so normally my fears my mom's going
Speaker 1: to be disappointed with me and how selfish of me.
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, I figure it because my baby's
Speaker 1: doing big things. And I was like, oh, but so
Speaker 1: you know the fear of my mom is going to
Speaker 1: be so disappointed. I'm such a bad, selfish child. That's
Speaker 1: what I would have told myself two or three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: But I told her and she took it like yeah,
Speaker 1: I figured that it was just extra proud of me,
Speaker 1: and like I was like, oh, that's what happens when
Speaker 1: you said a boundary. The people who care about you
Speaker 1: don't give you a hard time about it. And so
Speaker 1: it was just like a like, you know, cause I
Speaker 1: would never like what tell my mom. Know, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll do all ten of them. But I'm exhausted, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm tired. I have to say no. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's good things, but I'm just like I'm going to
Speaker 1: be drowning in the sea of goodness if I continue
Speaker 1: like this. Like when I tell you, remember two weeks ago, Mandy,
Speaker 1: I told you like I threw out my back, Like like,
Speaker 1: so I threw out my back one out. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Oh my god, my god, cause I'm
Speaker 1: sitting so much. My level eight and a half out
Speaker 1: of ten back muscles just gone. Then finally get my
Speaker 1: back together after going to the doctor. My the left side,
Speaker 1: my neck. I was like, oh, my neck. I threw
Speaker 1: on my neck so much so I had to cancel everything.
Speaker 1: I'm just laying in the bed like my neck, my neck.
Speaker 1: Go to the doctor, she gives me medicine. Finally get
Speaker 1: my my neck together. Now it's the other side of
Speaker 1: my neck and shoulder, Mandy. My body is like, girl,
Speaker 1: you've been to die up. That's what we're doing. So
Speaker 1: I'm just like, to what end? Because my body is
Speaker 1: obviously telling me, Tiffany, I know these all these amazing things.
Speaker 1: I know this interview and that into your New York
Speaker 1: Times and Well Street, I know, and then this and
Speaker 1: that you can't do all the things. Your body is
Speaker 1: literally physically trying to slow you down. And so I'm
Speaker 1: speaking to y'all and anybody else who might be listening
Speaker 1: that like, because it's in a weird place. I've worked
Speaker 1: so hard for so long to reap all of these
Speaker 1: things in they're here now, and I don't know how
Speaker 1: to say no, but I want to reap those things.
Speaker 2: And it's like a girl, you're gonna I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't even make this Hamilton reference because you haven't watched
Speaker 2: it yet.
Speaker 1: I know, when do I get time to watch Hamilton.
Speaker 2: They have the same note. Listen, if you you make
Speaker 2: time for what's important to you. Okay, I threw my
Speaker 2: back out to doing a five hundred piece puzzle. This
Speaker 2: is the thing. I can't just do it over the court.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm gonna get this puzzle. I'll just do,
Speaker 2: you know, thirty minutes a day. I get obsessed and
Speaker 2: bending over this dam coffee here for four hours, going
Speaker 2: to bed at one am. You're so competitive, I know
Speaker 2: with myself, I am my own worst.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's a worse ede of me,
Speaker 1: but it's hilarious that, like, no, you are literally legitimately
Speaker 1: competitive to the point where you are literally competing against Mandy.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, Mandie, you thought this puzzle was gonna
Speaker 1: be Oh no, not today, Mandy, yesterday.
Speaker 2: It feels so good to win. And then you know what,
Speaker 2: there was a single piece missing and I wanted to cry,
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. At the very end, I think some
Speaker 2: look back, you were the dog agent. Yeah, honestly, why
Speaker 2: am I paying a therapist? I know what the issue is.
Speaker 2: She's gonna ask me, Mandy, why who told you to
Speaker 2: do all these things? I'm gonna be like me. All right,
Speaker 2: let's get to some other process, all right. This question
Speaker 2: hit home with me because, as you guys know if
Speaker 2: you're longtime listeners of the show, I once, actually twice,
Speaker 2: we moved in with my husband's parents for very at
Speaker 2: different stages in our relationship. We live with them for
Speaker 2: a hot minute, so this question hit hit home for me.
Speaker 2: This comes from listener Alex. Alex says, my husband and
Speaker 2: I have made the decision to move in with his parents.
Speaker 2: My husband works as a flight attendant for a well
Speaker 2: known airline, but due to COVID, our monthly income has decreased.
Speaker 2: Since he's no longer working, there's a possibility he may
Speaker 2: even lose his job in October. I've been paying our
Speaker 2: rent and a portion of our bills while he takes
Speaker 2: care of student loans, which have been put on pause thankfully,
Speaker 2: and our utilities. We made the decision to move back
Speaker 2: in with this with our in laws because I can
Speaker 2: no longer continue to pay rent as rent and our
Speaker 2: current complex has increased and is taking up an entire
Speaker 2: paycheck for me. A few unforeseen life circumstances have also
Speaker 2: left our emergency fund depleted. I'm hoping that by moving
Speaker 2: in with his parents, will be able to rebuild our
Speaker 2: emergency fund and get our finances back in order. Do
Speaker 2: you guys think it's weird to move back in with
Speaker 2: my husband's parents. What would you guys do if you
Speaker 2: were in our positions? We're twenty five and twenty six
Speaker 2: years old and we've been married for just a little
Speaker 2: over a year. For her, guess it lived with your parents,
Speaker 2: your husband's parents. But yeah, it's weird. It's not weird
Speaker 2: at all. It's you know what, at least you have someone.
Speaker 2: I bet you so many people would love to like
Speaker 2: what you know, save on rent, just move back home.
Speaker 2: At least you guys have the option.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know at forty girl, the it'sh hits the bad.
Speaker 1: I'm calling mommy daddy. So that's bed bedroom, Like I
Speaker 1: thought she was gonna say, out their mortgage.
Speaker 2: I feel like they could at least give you a spot.
Speaker 1: But you know, like except what I understand, because you know,
Speaker 1: there's like this shame about like oh am I moving backwards?
Speaker 1: And is it like adult? No, Like being an adult
Speaker 1: is asking for help when needed. So if you are
Speaker 1: have the privilege enough, because like Mandy, like you said,
Speaker 1: everyone doesn't have that ability. If you you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: people parents don't live close enough. Sometimes people's parents are struggling.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people they're not speaking to their parents, or their
Speaker 1: parents can't take care of them their own finances. So
Speaker 1: if you have that ability, then that is a blessing
Speaker 1: and blessing I'm blessing. And yeah, I don't whether you're
Speaker 1: twenty five, just know this. If you need to move
Speaker 1: back home at thirty thirty five, forty fifty, if you
Speaker 1: need help, that's what it's there for. I just so
Speaker 1: you know, I moved back home and look where I
Speaker 1: am now. I moved back home with my parents at
Speaker 1: age thirty and now two years ago I was able
Speaker 1: to pay off their house. So how full circle in
Speaker 1: getting myself together, I was then able to then give
Speaker 1: back to them. So yeah, don't be ashamed of that.
Speaker 1: Do what you need to do to get where you
Speaker 1: need to get to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for me, the dynamic here is similar to
Speaker 2: what happened with us. I was we must have been
Speaker 2: I must have been twenty six twenty seven. We moved
Speaker 2: in with my husband's parents before we got married because
Speaker 2: I had this wild idea that I wanted to live
Speaker 2: rent free so that we could save up for the wedding,
Speaker 2: because I did not want to take on debt for
Speaker 2: the wedding, and it was a number of things. You know,
Speaker 2: rent in our neighborhood was getting really expensive. This was
Speaker 2: a few years ago. I maan, I guess, like four
Speaker 2: or five years ago. We're living in Queen's and I
Speaker 2: also wanted to save for a house, and I just
Speaker 2: knew I wasn't going to get there spending you know,
Speaker 2: twenty one hundred dollars a month in our rent. So
Speaker 2: for me, it was an opportunity to save money. And
Speaker 2: we did save money, and that was beautiful. The toll
Speaker 2: it took on me mentally and psychologically living with my
Speaker 2: in laws, you know, that was a price that I
Speaker 2: had to pay, and unfortunately, you know, that kind of
Speaker 2: drove me out. I don't think we ever made it
Speaker 2: more than what did we maybe spend like seven eight
Speaker 2: months the first stint and our second time moving back
Speaker 2: in with them was and bless them for even allowing
Speaker 2: us to This is the thing. You're so grateful, and
Speaker 2: then you feel so guilty for being so ine, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like when someone wants to know
Speaker 2: where you're at and I'm like, I missed the days
Speaker 2: when no one knew or cared where I was because
Speaker 2: they didn't see me coming home. The second time, we
Speaker 2: were doing the renovation for our house and so we
Speaker 2: wanted to again save money by not paying for an
Speaker 2: apartment while we were renovating the house. So they graciously
Speaker 2: led us into their home each and every time. It's
Speaker 2: not weird at all. It was what we needed to
Speaker 2: do so we wouldn't have to taken a lot of debt.
Speaker 2: And I hope that you guys, I mean the fact
Speaker 2: that you had an emergency fund have so I have
Speaker 2: lots of faith in you guys that you will get
Speaker 2: back on your feet. It sounds like you're already great
Speaker 2: as a couple financially. You just you've done everything right.
Speaker 2: It just sounds like so many people out there the
Speaker 2: world's just kind of knocked you on your butts a
Speaker 2: little bit with what's going on right now. I'm glad
Speaker 2: that you have a soft place to land. I would
Speaker 2: take full full advantage of it and don't feel bad
Speaker 2: at all at all.
Speaker 1: I like that a soft place to land.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and your mommy in law's arms love it. She
Speaker 2: squeezes really really hard anymore.
Speaker 1: It's yo, I don't think y'all have Let's take a book.
Speaker 1: We need a Mandy appreciation moment. I don't think you
Speaker 1: guys understand how well. Maybe you understand, but I don't
Speaker 1: think I can stand how funny Mandy is like, because
Speaker 1: I feel like people think like I'm the silly one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe got me beat honey, Okay, she is hilarry. Us.
Speaker 1: We have to do ig Live again because people don't
Speaker 1: get to feel get the full scope of your delightful
Speaker 1: personality sometimes because you know, we're answering financial questions and
Speaker 1: we're talking about our lives and stuff. But now when
Speaker 1: you catch Mandy on alive, what the singers and the slingers,
Speaker 1: you are hilarious. My sister was like, yo, Mandy is funny.
Speaker 1: It sound like I know.
Speaker 2: So it's when you have dealt with so much stress,
Speaker 2: laughter is the only cure.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: My mom taught me that, bless her. Yeah, humor is
Speaker 2: if you're not last. I mean, the only thing you
Speaker 2: can do now is laugh. That's how I got through
Speaker 2: every challenge in my entire life was finding a joke.
Speaker 2: Now that's in my own detriment. Sometimes sometimes it's not
Speaker 2: You're not trying to get a laugh right now, Mandy,
Speaker 2: things are really just not it's not the moment for that.
Speaker 2: I had to talk to myself. But I just love
Speaker 2: anytime we can giggle, and that's why it's great talking
Speaker 2: to you, Tiff. But most of the time I'm trying
Speaker 2: to keep you in lines. I can't be funny, I
Speaker 2: be likectivity. Really, I would love to do a live
Speaker 2: I've really held. I don't know something as I think
Speaker 2: it's just the raggedness. I just haven't been on social.
Speaker 2: I was really on social for you know, really loving
Speaker 2: connecting to our audience on social, and I haven't really
Speaker 2: been there lately, and I guess it's just I just feel, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm feeling a little like I don't have
Speaker 2: anything to say and I don't really want to be
Speaker 2: out there like that. I'm going through a bit. I
Speaker 2: think I just need my peloton. I think I just
Speaker 2: need to crush crush some friendships and win some peloton
Speaker 2: races and maybe that'll bring me back.
Speaker 1: Well, you let me know. You know, they would love
Speaker 1: to see you on my social We can because they
Speaker 1: love like you know, Mandy, they love you and so like,
Speaker 1: and when we get together, they're like, oh you guys,
Speaker 1: are you guys are really liked this. I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: even worse, like we know to do for the show.
Speaker 2: I'll wait for you to invite me. I will not
Speaker 2: just crash your ig live with my nonsense.
Speaker 1: I know her, I know her. It's okay.
Speaker 2: Let me and all right, let's take thanks Tiff though,
Speaker 2: thanks for the love. Let's take Let's take another question.
Speaker 2: How about this. We had a couple like this. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna they're both anonymous, so I can kind of mash
Speaker 2: them together. But they're both working at companies that they
Speaker 2: don't feel are being super supportive in this time of
Speaker 2: unrest in the country. All already, she says, I'd love
Speaker 2: to hear your advice, but keep me anonymous. I recently
Speaker 2: graduated from college and accepted a job at a company.
Speaker 2: This was a miracle from God in itself, considering the
Speaker 2: current state of the economy. What's more, I actually like
Speaker 2: the role, and the pay is great, but I have
Speaker 2: serious concerns about the company's values. The company so far
Speaker 2: has not done or said anything in response to this
Speaker 2: moment in the BLM movement. I know because I've monitored
Speaker 2: their social media and talked to a manager. It also
Speaker 2: seems like the diversity in the company is very low.
Speaker 2: As you can imagine, this is upsetting. They're going through
Speaker 2: a bankruptcy crisis. But still, the least they could do
Speaker 2: is acknowledge that their black employees and customers' lives matter.
Speaker 2: Is this company worth my time? It might be an
Speaker 2: opportunity to change things from the inside. And in addition,
Speaker 2: I don't have any other job opportunities at the moment.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think? So she's considering this job offer,
Speaker 2: but she's not sure she's a take it based on
Speaker 2: what she's seeing the company, based on what she's said
Speaker 2: she's seen and heard so far about the company's lack
Speaker 2: of response to the Black Lives Matter movement. We were
Speaker 2: just talking about this. It's tough because if you, I mean,
Speaker 2: you need a job, I don't think I can. I
Speaker 2: don't think I could tell anybody in good conscience don't
Speaker 2: take a job. I mean like generational well, like we
Speaker 2: need to get out of this like trap. We need
Speaker 2: to start building generational well And unfortunately for now, you
Speaker 2: need to take a job. Maybe we're the company's values
Speaker 2: are not in line with where you with with where
Speaker 2: you are right now. I think you're I think when
Speaker 2: you say it might be an opportunity to change things
Speaker 2: from the inside. Absolutely. I think when you're new to
Speaker 2: a company, you can even help them see if they're
Speaker 2: being a little tone deaf by sharing you know, your
Speaker 2: view on things, and maybe you can make an impact
Speaker 2: and make things better for the next person who comes
Speaker 2: behind you. Yeah, if this is your only job, is
Speaker 2: I take it and I hope, I hope that they
Speaker 2: heed your advice and heed your feedback. If they don't,
Speaker 2: hopefully you can move on again when another opportunity presents
Speaker 2: itself and let them know when you leave why you're leaving,
Speaker 2: and if you know, they can take it or leave it.
Speaker 2: But at that point you have done what you can
Speaker 2: and then you've got to keep it moving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say that too, Like at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, pay your bills. Like if you said, I
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to work for one company or this
Speaker 1: other company and the difference in pay is five thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: but it's not MINEU Like I you know, I'm someone
Speaker 1: who would still be able to pay bills and things
Speaker 1: like that, But this company is super in alignment and
Speaker 1: this company isn't. Then that's different. That's like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: might meet, you know, Mandy, and I might be like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, five thousand dollars is not a little bit
Speaker 1: of money, but for your sanity, you know, I might
Speaker 1: go for the socially conscious company that pays five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars less, knowing that could still pay my bills and
Speaker 1: save and things. Gotcha. But you're saying, take this job
Speaker 1: or what pay your bills is pay your bills, do
Speaker 1: your job, you know, definitely, you know, you know, do
Speaker 1: what you can to maybe help, you know, exert some
Speaker 1: influence over company culture, and then put yourself in a
Speaker 1: position where you can find a company that's in alignment
Speaker 1: if this one does not end up being so. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I would never ever, ever ever suggest someone to choose,
Speaker 1: you know, like, and I get it, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, we want to be in alignment. But everything
Speaker 1: I've always done has not always been in alignment. But
Speaker 1: you know, I put the work in so I can
Speaker 1: make those choices. So now here I am and I
Speaker 1: can make the choice of being in alignment. But I
Speaker 1: couldn't always make those choices. Earlier on in my career.
Speaker 1: We're now with that guy at a new space, so yeah,
Speaker 1: pay your bills.
Speaker 2: This What do you think about her giving feedback to
Speaker 2: the recruiter she's talking to or the hiring manager now
Speaker 2: that you know, I'm really excited about this opportunity, but
Speaker 2: the lack of you know, if this is a company
Speaker 2: that you think it would be in alignment with what
Speaker 2: they stand for for them to speak out now, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about companies who I
Speaker 2: don't know, like they raise chickens, if they need to
Speaker 2: like speak about BLM some of it just if it's
Speaker 2: not really on brand or we're in line with what
Speaker 2: you're doing. Sometimes I think, you know, companies can be
Speaker 2: seen as opportunistic by speaking out, and you may you
Speaker 2: may want to hear why they have it. Maybe they've
Speaker 2: thought about it, or they're doing something else, or they've
Speaker 2: decided that they can make a donation and they have
Speaker 2: an impact that way. I don't know, but I can.
Speaker 2: On the on the other hand, I can hear myself
Speaker 2: saying this, and I'm kind of like, as a new
Speaker 2: person and company, do you even feel like can you
Speaker 2: just come in, like you know, hot already with like
Speaker 2: a bunch of I don't know, a bunch of questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I honestly don't think that's necessarily wise. Like
Speaker 1: I'm just taking like, say it there was. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: just say I'm thinking about somebody new coming into my
Speaker 1: company and we have a policy. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I don't want to work, you know,
Speaker 1: nights or whatever not that we have people work nights.
Speaker 1: But let's just say, and it's literally like in the
Speaker 1: interview about to get you know, hired, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I think we should change the policy about sometimes we
Speaker 1: work nights. I honestly am gonna be like, Hi, my
Speaker 1: name is Tiffany. Okay, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: it seems like because people are.
Speaker 2: More acts, unless you're getting hired to work in HR,
Speaker 2: in which case maybe it's applicable to your job. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just being mindful, like, you know, get a
Speaker 1: good foot in the door, do like, you know, show
Speaker 1: that you are a valuable member of the team. And
Speaker 1: then you know, as you continue to look if you
Speaker 1: really just don't feel in alignment, and then when that
Speaker 1: happens and you're able to. It doesn't mean you don't
Speaker 1: say anything, but I would just be cost yourself. You
Speaker 1: just started, you know, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you want your work to speak first. And unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I do think there is a tax that you can
Speaker 2: be charged when you're a black or brown employee and
Speaker 2: you bring up race if you're not really sure of
Speaker 2: the company's culture yet and you haven't felt like it's
Speaker 2: a safe space for you to speak out. And I
Speaker 2: don't want you to be penalized for Yeah, there is
Speaker 2: a penalty I think that can come if you speak
Speaker 2: out about social justice issues in the workplace before you
Speaker 2: make sure that it's a safe space for you. That's
Speaker 2: why I for so long, you know, at companies, I
Speaker 2: just didn't talk about it because it didn't seem like
Speaker 2: it was a safe space. No one else was doing it,
Speaker 2: and for my own survival, you know, I wouldn't speak
Speaker 2: out about that kind of thing. So, yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 1: Take the job.
Speaker 2: I would say, benefit of the doubt. Try and try,
Speaker 2: and you know, let your work speak for itself. And
Speaker 2: then as you start to feel more comfortable, you know,
Speaker 2: you can start raising those questions or start asking, you know,
Speaker 2: asking maybe why they've chose not to, and maybe you'll
Speaker 2: learn something about about why they've chosen not to speak out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: interesting question. I wanted to follow this question up with
Speaker 2: someone else. So this person we were just talking about,
Speaker 2: she is in the she's job hunting, so she's looking
Speaker 2: at a job she hasn't worked for yet. This is
Speaker 2: another question from someone who's you know, long story short.
Speaker 2: She's working at a company wants to wants to remain anonymous,
Speaker 2: says the company's predominantly white and there's no person, no
Speaker 2: people of color past a certain position. It's been disheartening
Speaker 2: to her, and last week they sent an email about
Speaker 2: being mindful of quote certain conversations unquote because not everyone
Speaker 2: feels the same way you do. She's wondering what should
Speaker 2: I do. I plan on going back to school to
Speaker 2: get my masters and leaving this industry altogether. But this
Speaker 2: has been pretty demoralizing that her company has done absolutely nothing,
Speaker 2: she says, to show support to the b LM movement.
Speaker 2: So what can you do if you're in a company
Speaker 2: now you've already worked, there is now the time to
Speaker 2: speak up? Or should you just I have a friend,
Speaker 2: for example, who's decided she's just gonna quit. She doesn't
Speaker 2: care to help them be better. She's just like, I'm
Speaker 2: tired of this. I just want to get out of here.
Speaker 2: I am. I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I if I if from leadership that came out,
Speaker 1: I would be looking for another job. Like I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I might. I might say something like, you know, that
Speaker 1: was really hard, you know, a little hurtful, and just
Speaker 1: to see, you know, a little test of water. But ultimately,
Speaker 1: it sounds like leadership has decided it's one thing for
Speaker 1: a company to be completely silent. That's not silence. They
Speaker 1: actively made a choice to say we don't want to
Speaker 1: hear about your black lives matter. That's what that That's
Speaker 1: what that email says. And so it's like that's a
Speaker 1: clear message from leadership about how what they feel about this.
Speaker 1: So in my mind, I'd be like, I'm already out
Speaker 1: of here, you know what. Let me start interviewing. Let
Speaker 1: me you know, I definitely do want to go back
Speaker 1: for my master's, but let me start interviewing. I'm not
Speaker 1: staying here. It's not a safe space for me.
Speaker 2: This sounds like some real Southern stuff too. This because
Speaker 2: you know, in the South, being from Georgia. I mean,
Speaker 2: you grow up. And I've been doing a lot of
Speaker 2: like thinking about my childhood and even the early jobs
Speaker 2: I had in school and all these settings where it's
Speaker 2: just like you would be told that's not polite conversation.
Speaker 2: You know, so don't have certain conversations because you don't
Speaker 2: know if everyone feels the same way you do. And
Speaker 2: this is your company kind of asking you to leave
Speaker 2: your skin color at the door at this time and
Speaker 2: not giving you space to bring your whole self to work,
Speaker 2: which is unfortunate. And I think, yeah, I agree with Tiffany.
Speaker 2: If you can leave for your own happiness and to
Speaker 2: work somewhere else that you feel accepted, that is great.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say quit right now without something else lined up,
Speaker 2: because again, I think your own financial security has to
Speaker 2: be taken to mind. But companies need to pay the
Speaker 2: consequences for not making all their employees, especially black employees,
Speaker 2: black and brown employees, feel feel safe and invested in
Speaker 2: and you know, a key, a key contributor to the
Speaker 2: company's success. They need they need to start understanding what
Speaker 2: they're losing, and they won't understand that if people do not,
Speaker 2: you know, eventually leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you, like I remember then, I tell
Speaker 1: you I was telling you guys about that brand, right
Speaker 1: Mandy that wanted to work with me that had no
Speaker 1: black employees, no black contractors, no black anything. And they're like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, we do work with black affiliate people and
Speaker 1: we hire black models. I'm like, oh, so you take
Speaker 1: black money, but you don't put money in black pockets.
Speaker 1: Got it, and you're proud of it, as my dad
Speaker 1: would say, and you're happy about it, Like that's a
Speaker 1: very nice or anything to say. It's like when you're like, Dad,
Speaker 1: look I got a eighty six and you're happy about it,
Speaker 1: Like basically, you should be a standing for at eighty six.
Speaker 1: What is the eighty six when you can get a hundred.
Speaker 1: So they thought that coming to me with a sixty
Speaker 1: seven was somehow they're going to get a pat on
Speaker 1: the back. So I told her not interested things. I
Speaker 1: want to be a black band aid. So they just
Speaker 1: emailed me a couple of days ago, like heay, just
Speaker 1: want to follow up to see if you really do
Speaker 1: want to pause our affiliate partnership. I was like I do,
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, we are, you know, we're
Speaker 1: definitely I think it was she was in the email,
Speaker 1: but basically like we're going to be hiring some black people.
Speaker 1: And I wrote her back and I was like, just
Speaker 1: so we'd clear as you look for quote unquote black people,
Speaker 1: that you're not doing anyone of favor. That what you're
Speaker 1: doing is broadening the net to find a qualified like
Speaker 1: to have a qualified, diverse team of people that work
Speaker 1: for you. That's it. And I said, here's some suggestions
Speaker 1: of how you can widen the net. You know, hire
Speaker 1: recruiters that that that specialize in different applicants from different backgrounds.
Speaker 1: Also reach out to some of the top HSBC us
Speaker 1: like like I told her, like uh, Spellman and Moorhouse
Speaker 1: and and I gave her a bunch of others. I
Speaker 1: was like, these are you can find qualified folks. And
Speaker 1: you're because hiring black people is not doing them a favor,
Speaker 1: because the implement what you're implying is is that somehow
Speaker 1: you're doing people a favor. You're doing what somebody with
Speaker 1: their masters a favor to work here.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: So I just wrote that back. I mean, I said
Speaker 1: it nicer than that, but I really was like, girl,
Speaker 1: still ain't learn nothing. No, I'm not working with you.
Speaker 2: I was like, I was very generous if you didn't
Speaker 2: give that advice. Yeah, just because it's a quick Google
Speaker 2: could teach her a great deal.
Speaker 1: I mean I was like, you know what a bird fruit? Yes,
Speaker 1: I was just you know, I mean she didn't say that.
Speaker 1: You know, we're going to be like but I just
Speaker 1: wanted to be like, girl, you're not like, what do
Speaker 1: you want a freaking cookie? A freaking cookie for not
Speaker 1: being for saying, hey, we're going to be less terrible. No,
Speaker 1: you're not getting a cookie. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I call I let logan my content manager, No right away,
Speaker 1: turn them things off me. Well, that's money lost us.
Speaker 1: I'll take it. I'd rather less. I'm not putting money
Speaker 1: in pockets if I can help it of people that
Speaker 1: are egregiously out of alignment. You know, just like I
Speaker 1: got an email from someone from a prepaid you know,
Speaker 1: we know these prepaid cards are like the right because
Speaker 1: there's potypothies. You you pay money to pay money, to
Speaker 1: load your money on the prepaid card, to check your balance,
Speaker 1: to take money off to transfer. I mean, they they
Speaker 1: they are predatory, especially to black and brown people, and
Speaker 1: especially to black and brown people who are are under
Speaker 1: banked or unbanked. You know. So I got this thing
Speaker 1: across what came across my email? Hey hey Bud Denisa,
Speaker 1: love what you're doing. We were looking to hire a
Speaker 1: spokesperson for a prepaid card. I was already like, you
Speaker 1: lost me at prepaid card. We're looking for Mandy. These
Speaker 1: are the words I quote. We're looking for an influencer
Speaker 1: that is unapologetically black.
Speaker 2: Oh. I was like, as opposed to one who's apologetic.
Speaker 1: But that's the way of saying, like, girl, we want
Speaker 1: you to be black black, So that way you can
Speaker 1: trick your people.
Speaker 2: A sassy influencer, so.
Speaker 1: You could trick you could all fantically trick your people
Speaker 1: into signing up for our company. I was like, what
Speaker 1: in the predatory? So that I didn't even give a
Speaker 1: response back. I just blocked them. So hopefully they're listening.
Speaker 2: To them to go contact mine. Who is it that?
Speaker 2: Who is that? Talk show host Montel Montel Williams, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what about it? Remember he used to wrap that was
Speaker 2: like money yeah, some some like yeah some similar no
Speaker 2: lending that is that should be the absolutely And we've
Speaker 2: talked about like rush card and even George Lopez got
Speaker 2: tired of the paid card business.
Speaker 1: You know, this is what I say that prepaid cards
Speaker 1: are the malt liquor of financial products. Someone wrote me
Speaker 1: was like, girl that has a worker. I said it
Speaker 1: on ig Live. They're like, what do you mean? I said,
Speaker 1: mat liquor is like the devil for your body. It's
Speaker 1: the worst and it sounds but yes, it is gross.
Speaker 1: Plus it's primarily marketed to a demographic of people who
Speaker 1: typically don't have access to financial education or really finances,
Speaker 1: and so it's purposefully malt liquor is purposely marketed to
Speaker 1: mainly black and brown people who don't have much. And
Speaker 1: so that is what that is what prepaid cars do.
Speaker 1: It is malt liquor. It is a bault looker of
Speaker 1: personal finance. And so don't do it. And yeah, when
Speaker 1: I saw that, I was like, you clearly don't bother
Speaker 1: me because I just be reading y'all for filth and
Speaker 1: you're still in my inbox. But they're like, girl, you
Speaker 1: unapologetically black girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah I know, Oh yeah, screenshot these emails, getting a
Speaker 2: little folder they get by on board and feel like tweeting.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can't understand when old people used
Speaker 1: to say, like older people used to say, got my
Speaker 1: pressure up, and I never understood, and now I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm here. Some of these theys just be getting my
Speaker 1: pressure out of the pressure up.
Speaker 2: Okay, Wanda, get it together. Well. My heart goes out
Speaker 2: to everyone working in companies where you don't feel like
Speaker 2: your voice is being heard or you can't bring your
Speaker 2: whole self to the table. I hope that you get
Speaker 2: out of those situations as soon as possible, But do
Speaker 2: not feel guilty. This is what I want to because
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here and I almost feel you can kind
Speaker 2: of feel guilty for not being I'm going to use
Speaker 2: quotes brave enough to take that moral high ground and
Speaker 2: quit a job based on your values or based on
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that is incredibly brave if
Speaker 2: you're willing to, if you're willing to put your own
Speaker 2: financial security at risk to make a statement. I don't
Speaker 2: think it is required. I think you can still be
Speaker 2: I think you can still support all that is going
Speaker 2: on and supported black lives and criminal justice reform and
Speaker 2: just everything like that without putting your own financial security
Speaker 2: at risk. But it also makes me so grateful to
Speaker 2: the people who came before us, you know, during the
Speaker 2: civil rights movement even before that, who were brave enough
Speaker 2: to to boycott certain businesses to have walkouts. We just
Speaker 2: saw recently Facebook employees staged a virtual walk out in
Speaker 2: response to the company's treatment of President and we'll set
Speaker 2: it Voldemort's posts on the network. And I think their
Speaker 2: strength in numbers, So you know, if you want to
Speaker 2: find like minded people, and maybe you can. You know,
Speaker 2: I think there is strengthen numbers and maybe you can
Speaker 2: find some like minded employees or workers where you guys
Speaker 2: can you know, make an impact as a collective voice.
Speaker 2: But I just I just don't. I mean, I hate
Speaker 2: the thought of someone, you know, because of what's going on,
Speaker 2: feeling like they can't make an impact. They just have
Speaker 2: to quit, they have to leave and put their own
Speaker 2: finances at at risk, because that to me is like
Speaker 2: they're winning, to like they're still winning if we're not
Speaker 2: out here winning financially. And you know, sadly, I think
Speaker 2: when you're a person of color, often it means working
Speaker 2: for a company that's not super diverse so that you
Speaker 2: can get your coins, save up, build some wealth, and
Speaker 2: it is, you know, unfortunately the way it is for now.
Speaker 2: I just don't want people to feel making any sense
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: No, you are.
Speaker 2: I just don't want people to feel bad about that.
Speaker 2: There's nothing to be ashamed of. You're not less black,
Speaker 2: you don't care less about black lives. If you're working
Speaker 2: for a company that is not doing every single thing right,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you're probably it's probably
Speaker 2: not your job to make them do everything right. And
Speaker 2: when you get to the next level and you're able
Speaker 2: to move on, I hope that you do when you
Speaker 2: find a place that is aligned with your values and
Speaker 2: it all just everything just you know, starts to sing
Speaker 2: beautifully and everything is aligned. But if it's not that
Speaker 2: way now, I just want people to give themselves grace
Speaker 2: and to be okay with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I love that because I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people might be feeling like, oh, my company is
Speaker 1: not like but it's like like at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, pay your billsys.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Yeah, do you know what gets my pressure up?
Speaker 2: Trying to articulate all the feelings that are happening in
Speaker 2: this world. And you were talking about earlier just wanting
Speaker 2: to choose your words wisely. I mean, at a time
Speaker 2: when you're rewarded for having like hot takes and being
Speaker 2: quick to and even on our podcast, I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, we we try and speak on issues that
Speaker 2: are you know, and try and speak from our heart,
Speaker 2: which often means we don't prepare what we're going to
Speaker 2: say in advance. But at this time, I just feel
Speaker 2: it's extra important to think about the words we choose,
Speaker 2: and that adds an extra and it adds a level
Speaker 2: of anxiety to normal conversations now that we're not there before.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm feeling.
Speaker 1: This is a lucky yay for Zola. This is like
Speaker 1: the love episode we've been like up down South mad happy,
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know you're a pug wear a mask?
Speaker 1: Yes, this is yes group ub wear a mask. I
Speaker 1: love that. Oh so it's now it's time for booster
Speaker 1: break for all our family.
Speaker 2: If you're going to sing this song, you've got to
Speaker 2: sing it peppy. Okay, sounds sad.
Speaker 1: Come on, now it's time to boost a break for
Speaker 1: all that family. Is you going to boost? Is you
Speaker 1: going to break? What you're going to do? Mandy?
Speaker 2: Hey, cookie monster? That's who I heard? Listen, my throat
Speaker 2: has been run raw from doing Cookie Monster Impressions.
Speaker 1: For the child Oh that's goode.
Speaker 2: He loves it. I'll spare you guys. I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: a boost right now for America America, and they're spending
Speaker 2: because according to the Federal Reserve, the amount of credit
Speaker 2: card debt in this credit loving country is down twenty
Speaker 2: nine whole percentage. Yeah, So I think a lot of
Speaker 2: this has to do with people very right rightly deciding
Speaker 2: maybe it's not the best time to start running up
Speaker 2: my credit card for things that I can't afford because
Speaker 2: of what's happening right now, or maybe it's time to
Speaker 2: start paying down this debt aggressively, because you never know
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. So this gives me a little
Speaker 2: bit of hope because before this crisis, those credit makes
Speaker 2: America's credit card addiction is hotter than ever. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was like every month their record highs in terms
Speaker 2: of revolving credit debt. So this gives me a little
Speaker 2: bit of hope that at least we've learned a little
Speaker 2: bit since the last economic crisis. And I hope, I
Speaker 2: really hope that people are, you know, socking their coins away.
Speaker 2: This is the rainy day, This is the rainiest of days,
Speaker 2: and we don't know how long it's gonna end, so yeah,
Speaker 2: keep it up, and I'm right there with you. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm just trying so hard not to not to use
Speaker 2: the credit or at least to continue paying it off
Speaker 2: and save more than I have in a in a
Speaker 2: hot minute.
Speaker 1: I like that. So, no, you're right. I saw that article.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, snappity shnap, that's awesome. I'm going
Speaker 1: to boo. So I had a really great call with
Speaker 1: the production company so about to them have been reaching out,
Speaker 1: but I had one calm particular with a company run
Speaker 1: by Tooless with an A and that was a uh
Speaker 1: oh that's true. That's just ooh, you're life and so
Speaker 1: but of all the pitches, sometimes you know, people pitch
Speaker 1: stuff and I'm like, eh, or it's just not in alignment.
Speaker 1: On one production company actually, like as they were interviewing me,
Speaker 1: asked me to add some sass, not literally it was
Speaker 1: the right kid, yes or like next winging on. Can
Speaker 1: you say it like this? I said I cannot. I
Speaker 1: mean I can, but bruh no. So anyway, this woman, no,
Speaker 1: I won't say the name yet until like things are
Speaker 1: signed and stuff. But what she pitched me was just
Speaker 1: so wonderful. It just felt right. It was positive. It
Speaker 1: was an alignment with how I want to show up.
Speaker 1: It just when I tell you it just now, whether
Speaker 1: you know it comes to fruition or not, whatever, because
Speaker 1: there's so many steps that has to take until a
Speaker 1: show comes to fruition. But it just felt so right.
Speaker 1: And it's been seven years of like production companies reaching
Speaker 1: out to me and me being like, nah no, let
Speaker 1: me see, and I just finally feel like I'm here now.
Speaker 1: It feels like the right time, it feels like the
Speaker 1: right idea, it feels like the right company, So we'll see.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to boost on that. Yeah, it is, honestly,
Speaker 1: because I was telling Superman about it. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, if I have like a show, show like,
Speaker 1: it's going to be like a thing, and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm like no, like because I'm even planning
Speaker 1: for it now. Like there are things in business. One
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I brought on a business coach
Speaker 1: is to what does that look like to pivot time away?
Speaker 1: Because you can't be on set, you know, all day,
Speaker 1: and somehow you're not going to make all the meetings,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like what does that look like.
Speaker 1: So I've been just planning for that because I know
Speaker 1: that it's coming. And like I said, I've learned long
Speaker 1: ago in business that many times something is not the thing.
Speaker 1: It's the thing before the thing, or the thing before
Speaker 1: the thing before the thing. Meaning like let's just say
Speaker 1: the thing is a successful show. But me being reached
Speaker 1: out to my first production company seven years ago wasn't
Speaker 1: about me getting a show seven years ago. It was
Speaker 1: the thing before the thing before the thing. It was
Speaker 1: to tell me get ready. It was to tell me,
Speaker 1: you know, practice more. It was to tell me, figure out,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with your hair or whatever,
Speaker 1: like I'm just making things up because I've had locks
Speaker 1: for like twenty years, you know. But so it was
Speaker 1: to tell me basically to prepare. And so but I
Speaker 1: think I feel like that this is the actual thing.
Speaker 1: It just felt. It just feels like a warm hug,
Speaker 1: this idea, and so yeah, I'm just really excited about it.
Speaker 1: It just allows me to like be more of service
Speaker 1: to the women that I'm already serving. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's just I'm excited, but more so, I just feel
Speaker 1: like good and warm about it. And I just couldn't
Speaker 1: have come at a better time, because there's there's just
Speaker 1: a lot going on, you know, as far I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: like civil unrest. There's just there's just so many cloudy
Speaker 1: aspects of life that it's nice to have sunshine. So
Speaker 1: that's just my boost. But another little funny boost. I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a boost, but someone messages me
Speaker 1: earlier today and I had put like on in still
Speaker 1: like oh Tiffany the Budgetese Alice. And then and then
Speaker 1: they saw, like I did an interview and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh Tiffany Alice, and they saw that underneath it was
Speaker 1: like Budgetie, founder of the Budgetista, and she wrote Tiffany.
Speaker 1: All this time, I thought Budgetsa was on your birth certificate, ma'am.
Speaker 1: I swim Jesus, I swimple Jesus.
Speaker 2: Even Tiffany's on your birth certificate.
Speaker 1: No it's not, well yeah, no it's not. It's Adochi,
Speaker 1: my African name.
Speaker 2: And that that was a joke.
Speaker 3: But can you.
Speaker 1: Imagine she literally wrote Tiffany question mark question mark. All
Speaker 1: this time, I thought Budgetista was on your birth certificate, ma'am.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call you out by name because I'm sure,
Speaker 1: you're like Nick, I mean.
Speaker 2: You know what, shout out to her for not questioning
Speaker 2: the you know your mother and what.
Speaker 1: She And then on top of that, how can be
Speaker 1: it that I teach finances? I just don't even know?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, oh my goodness. Oh so yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: How the opposite thing happened, where I thought someone's name
Speaker 2: was so ridiculous that it couldn't possibly be their real name,
Speaker 2: and then I realized it's actually their name. Ya. Because
Speaker 2: I was like, so, what's your name, They're like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's right there in my Instagram handle. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's your name. Yeah, thank goodness that was not a
Speaker 2: phone call.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm so they get it a lot. I knew
Speaker 1: a girl named Mary Christmas M Mary like M A
Speaker 1: R y, And because her last name was that's actually Christmas,
Speaker 1: I was like, come on, now, your parents.
Speaker 2: Didn't know Christmas could be a last name.
Speaker 1: Yes, but why are you going to do that to
Speaker 1: that girl? Mary?
Speaker 2: Even imagine a Christmas right now, Merry Christmas. That is sad.
Speaker 2: But wasn't your sister wasn't she named Christmas? Carol?
Speaker 1: Well, her name was Carol because she was born in
Speaker 1: December like December twenty first. But so she was named
Speaker 1: after Christmas Carol, which I was like, oh daddy, how
Speaker 1: Nigerian of you. But at least it's not Christmas. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, but her name is Carol. Carl was like,
Speaker 1: all my business, all of.
Speaker 2: It, all of it could have been Rudolph me.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry Mary all right.
Speaker 2: By the way, I forgot. I was just rereading that question.
Speaker 2: The woman who had a question about her job. She
Speaker 2: said she's Nigerian American and she loves, loves loves tipping
Speaker 2: the budgetista.
Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. I love it.
Speaker 2: All right. Well that is our show. I have nothing
Speaker 2: left to give. We have to end the show. I
Speaker 2: can't squeezed everything out. Well, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: another show. Tip.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Manja. This honestly has been like my rock.
Speaker 1: My rock is just a joy. Like I said, you
Speaker 1: were on my roll card as a one you decide.
Speaker 2: I was sweating it. I'm like, oh shit, which.
Speaker 1: You And I was like, I really enjoy it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like it doesn't feel like, oh God, I gotta
Speaker 1: ta you know, like that's how you know, And it
Speaker 1: just feels like I know we're gonna laugh and honestly,
Speaker 1: because well, one half the time I forget that like
Speaker 1: anybody else is listening, because sometimes I'll say stuff and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I said that, I'm want a mission because
Speaker 1: I'm just talking to you. You know. Sometimes we have
Speaker 1: to remind each other to start taping, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it just feels like, oh, you know, once a week
Speaker 1: I get to talk to my friend Mandy, and sometimes
Speaker 1: we answer people's questions and we just get to chit chat.
Speaker 1: It's it's nice, honestly. So I'm just grateful for.
Speaker 2: That same group hug. Talk of hug and me both
Speaker 2: say you need virtual hug. All right, We'll go take care,
Speaker 2: get some rest, eat some of that spaghetti, and I
Speaker 2: am going to try not to lie to my therapist
Speaker 2: this week, yes, and try to figure out some stuff
Speaker 2: I can say no to. That's my homework, all right,
Speaker 2: all right too, Yeah,