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Speaker 1: Coming up on you need Therapy.

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Speaker 2: We need to always keep in mind that the industry

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Speaker 2: is trying to sell to us, to make money off

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Speaker 2: of us feeling bad about ourselves. That is literally what

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Speaker 2: is happening. And like, yes, you need a cleanser, maybe,

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Speaker 2: yes you might need to moisturize.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, but it's maybe.

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Speaker 2: Less serious than the industry wants you to think.

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Speaker 4: I started to realize that not being an expert isn't

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Speaker 4: a liability, it's a real gift.

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Speaker 1: If we don't know something about ourselves at this point

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Speaker 1: in our life, it's probably because it's uncomfortable to know.

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Speaker 1: If you can die before you die, then you can

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Speaker 1: really live. There's a wisdom at death's door. I thought

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Speaker 1: I was insane. Yeah, and I didn't know what to

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Speaker 1: do because there was no internet.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I'm like, I feel like everything

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Speaker 2: is hard.

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Speaker 4: Hey, y'all, my name is Kat. I'm a human first

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Speaker 4: and a licensed therapist second. And right now I'm inviting

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Speaker 4: you into conversations that I hope encourage you to become

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Speaker 4: more curious and less judgmental about yourself, others, and the

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Speaker 4: world around you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to you need therapy.

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Speaker 4: Hello, guys and Welcome back to a new episode of

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Speaker 4: You Need Therapy Podcast. I have again for a second

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Speaker 4: week in a row, a repeat guest, Hannah Ellis.

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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 4: She has been on twice and we've talked about basically skincare,

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Speaker 4: beauty industry standards, health as it pertains to skin and

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Speaker 4: wellness and all that stuff. We're going to keep going

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Speaker 4: on that trend. But this conversation that we're going to

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Speaker 4: have is stemming from a DM that I got recently,

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Speaker 4: and I'm going to read it. It's not like the

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Speaker 4: most distinct question, but I just like liked it because

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Speaker 4: I felt like she was in my brain a little

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Speaker 4: bit the way.

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Speaker 1: She said it.

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Speaker 4: And I got this and I immediately sent it to

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Speaker 4: Hannah and I said, do we need to do round

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Speaker 4: three anyway? So I'm gonna read it and then we're gonna,

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Speaker 4: you know, dive into all the things. So the message says, Hey, kat,

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Speaker 4: I have a podcast topic that I'm dying for you

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Speaker 4: to do, the anti aging trends. I turned thirty this

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Speaker 4: year and noticing more lines on my forehead and the

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Speaker 4: crazy ads I'm getting are overwhelming. What the hell are frownies?

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Speaker 4: And do I need all these skincare products feels a

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Speaker 4: little wellness culturey to me. Also, to start, I didn't

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Speaker 4: know what frownies were. I thought that was a way

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Speaker 4: to describe lines on your face, but Hannah was just

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Speaker 4: telling me that they are an actual product product. Yea,

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Speaker 4: So we're gonna use that as a starting point just

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Speaker 4: to talk about in general, this anti aging trend that

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Speaker 4: I feel like it isn't really a I don't think

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Speaker 4: it's big your hurt, ever, And I don't want to

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Speaker 4: come at this with this like blanket. You should just

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Speaker 4: appreciate the lines on your forehead and learn to love them,

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Speaker 4: and they're beautiful and they like that is great, and

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Speaker 4: And I think if we're going to ask people to

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Speaker 4: Because then it almost feels like I did this to

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Speaker 4: myself and it's up to me to just get over it.

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Speaker 2: It almost sounds like you need to like almost like

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Speaker 2: grieve that part of you, or like honor that part

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Speaker 2: of you that like, it's not your fault that you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you.

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Speaker 2: Go, oh, I just need to like love my body

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Speaker 2: exactly the way it is, which is like yes, But

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Speaker 2: also maybe you want to give yourself a little forgiveness

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Speaker 2: that like maybe the hate wasn't like caused by you.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the negative thoughts.

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Speaker 2: The disordered thoughts, the different issues that you have with yourself,

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Speaker 4: It's our responsibility if we want to change something, or

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Speaker 1: You didn't get there on your own.

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Speaker 4: We got here because of a collective culture and experiences

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Speaker 4: and things that not all of them were malicious, like

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Speaker 3: So yeah, when you did that, I like a little

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Speaker 4: So beforehand I got here, I was writing some things

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Speaker 4: Or does it just feel that way because of the

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Speaker 4: And maybe we're just accessing skincare in a different way

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Speaker 4: There and read an ad about the I don't know

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Speaker 4: So I don't know if skincare is necessarily a trend

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Speaker 4: I didn't go to school for that. I don't understand word.

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Speaker 4: that I probably don't need. So all that to say,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I said this, you're an esthetician.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm a Lisson sesthetician, healthy skin expert.

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Speaker 1: That's what I do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I want to hear from your perspective what

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Speaker 1: And do we need frownies? Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So Kat didn't know what frownies were. And I also

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Speaker 2: that it just sounds like the frownies like it's the

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: No, so frownies are a product that.

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Speaker 2: Much like, Oh, I'm sorry if any of you are

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Speaker 1: So that's might be helpful to say, just so you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in this conversation, what we are going to do

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do. I'm not gonna tell you what

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I am just like I'm just going to preface

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Speaker 2: oh interesting, Okay. Frownies have definitely taken off because they're

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Speaker 2: which is when you're supposed to wear the frownie, you

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: We don't have long term studies on this. I've seen

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Speaker 2: So I don't know how much of this is just

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know as an esthetician that understands like facial anatomy.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that skincare necessarily is a just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Whereas like my husband doesn't worry about it. He's like, well,

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Speaker 4: But if I can avoid looking that way, then people

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Speaker 3: We're all afraid of.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it equalizes all of us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just here, we're alive, and then one day

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Speaker 2: There's a person that I follow who ends all her newsletters.

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Speaker 3: And I've said this.

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Speaker 2: I hope that it just simplifies life for people so

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Speaker 2: And that's where like my knowledge comes in. And I

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Speaker 4: It's unfair for us to expect or push or want

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Speaker 4: about you looks like.

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00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: We're allowed to care.

442
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 4: And I think part of caring what we look like

443
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 4: is allowing ourselves to express ourselves. And we get in

444
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 4: trouble with that a lot of times is we want

445
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 4: to express ourselves, but we're told we have to do

446
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 4: it in a certain way, and we expressing ourselves, but

447
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: make sure you express yourself looking like this, when in reality,

448
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 4: we're allowed to make those decisions for ourselves. That's literally

449
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 4: what that is. And you're allowed to care about what

450
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 4: kind of makeup you wear. You're allowed to care about

451
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 4: your clothes, You're about to care about your hair, You're

452
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 4: allowed to care about your face. There's so many different

453
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 4: reasons somebody might care about skincare. And one of the

454
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 4: things that I like about you and that you have

455
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 4: talked about on here before, is that what you just said, like,

456
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 4: I'm helping somebody feel less stressed about something that they

457
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 4: might really not have all the information about, and so

458
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 4: they're coming to me asking for help with something. If

459
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 4: they're asking for something that is unrealistic or dangerous or confusing,

460
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 4: you're going to.

461
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: Share that with them.

462
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're also not having everybody come into your office

463
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 4: and you're like, well.

464
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: The trend is, yeah, we're doing this.

465
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: We're buying this product today because everybody's using it.

466
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: Therefore you should want this.

467
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 4: It's you listen to what they want and if they

468
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 4: want that and it is not dangerous or whatever, you're

469
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 4: going to say.

470
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: Well, this is what we could try or this is

471
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: what we could do.

472
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 4: Also, what I liked about you when that's the first

473
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 4: time I met you is you actually like you drew

474
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 4: me a diagram and you explained what was having.

475
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I explained, like how a blemish is even formed.

476
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: So how I work Really in my clinic, we have

477
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: like three aestheticians here, well me and three others in Nashville,

478
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: and we start with a consultation and that kind of

479
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: turns away a lot of people who want like express treatments,

480
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: They want that quick, fast result kind of a thing,

481
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: and that's okay. I'm okay, like niching down. We're not

482
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: for everybody, and it's also okay to like go get

483
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: a facial on your birthday. That's fine. We just might

484
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: not be that person for you. I'm looking to like

485
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: form a long term relationship with someone who wants that

486
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: like education and autonomy over their body long term. So

487
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 2: I always say, like, we like treat people with compassion

488
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: because we do see a lot of people who are

489
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: coming to us in a lot of pain, whether that's

490
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: over how they look with their skin, if they have acne,

491
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: or they're like any kind of aging concern, any kind

492
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: of pigmentation or wrinkal concern. You know, it can cause

493
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: people like real stress and real pain. It's what they

494
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 2: wake up and look in the mirror and see every day.

495
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: So we first meet you with compassion. We want to

496
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 2: meet and talk to you as a as a real person,

497
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: and then we want to give you education, like real information,

498
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: not because you need to go treat yourself, but because

499
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: I feel like if you have the autonomy, which is

500
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: the next part of it, is that we give education

501
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 2: so you can have autonomy and understand what you're going

502
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: to be targeted with out in the real world. That like,

503
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: then you can like take that information and be motivated

504
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: to understand why we choose the treatment plan or the

505
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: skincare products that are right for you, and then we

506
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: advocate for you to like be well mentally physically. We

507
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: give you like lists of therapists that we recommend people

508
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: and body workers or whatever safe spaces all around Nashville

509
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: that we've actually had real experiences with, so that you

510
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: have a whole picture of how to love yourself a

511
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 2: little bit better?

512
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 4: You know?

513
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? So that's kind of our whole motto.

514
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's what kind of sets us

515
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: apart from like these places that are a revolving door

516
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: of just like, Oh, I went and got this treatment

517
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: and then they said I should use this serum and

518
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it does. But like I

519
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know what it is, and it's

520
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: spent two hundred dollars on it. It's not even working,

521
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

522
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: Well, there's always another treatment and there's always more that

523
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: I can do, and.

524
00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: That's one hundred percent.

525
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 4: So to me, that's so exhausting, Like why can't I

526
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 4: ever just be satisfied, Like why does there always have

527
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 4: to be you can't be house well and that's but she.

528
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: Doesn't want you to.

529
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: And so if we back up, and if we back up,

530
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: because I was kind of giving you a big spiel

531
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: about something that I felt it was important to say today,

532
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: is that like we're focused, Like we just had this

533
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: whole conversation about aging and how scary it is and

534
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: how it literally all comes down to like dying or

535
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 2: worthlessness as we age. As women, like teenagers are seeing this,

536
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: kids are seeing this. They have like ten step routines

537
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 2: and they're twelve years old, fourteen step skincare routines and

538
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: not just like cute little products that they got at Target.

539
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: Like they're begging their parents for like drunk elephant products

540
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: that are like ninety dollars apiece and it's insane. And

541
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: I thought this was literally just like a funny thing

542
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: people were posting about on the internet. But Kat brought

543
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: it up to me, and then I talked about it

544
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: in a Q and A on my Instagram, and I

545
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: had real moms from all over Instagram, like maybe eight

546
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: to ten of them. They were like, hell, like my

547
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: daughter is having panic attacks. She's like having extreme stress

548
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: about needing to do her routine at a certain time

549
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: of day when all her friends are doing their routines.

550
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: All her friends have the drunk elephant products, But we

551
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: can't afford that. What can a teenager use? What should

552
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: a teenager use? I got so overwhelmed because the thought

553
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 2: of like a twelve year old or a thirteen year

554
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: old like using some of those products like gave me

555
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: panic for their precious, precious little skin barriers. I gave

556
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: a pretty good answer, I think on my page, but

557
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: I just was like really disheartened by oh realizing this

558
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: is real.

559
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

560
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: And then I was talking to one of my estheticians

561
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: and she said, well, of course this is happening, Hannah.

562
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: This is literally the result of kids being chronically online

563
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 2: from a young age. She said that, and I was like,

564
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: you're right. Why why did we expect any other result?

565
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: They've been seeing the same ads that we see, which

566
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 2: is insidious on like the Internet's part to really not filter,

567
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: like what is really being targeted to these people? We

568
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: see these like beautiful influencers from like the Bachelorette and

569
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: like pretty people from the Internet or whatever, like saying

570
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: you should use this because it's like anti aging, and

571
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: like two, uh, what is it?

572
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 3: Jen Alpha? What are these kids? They like twelve?

573
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 4: Don't?

574
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: I think it's whatever comes after gen Z.

575
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't know we were there there.

576
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: I didn't know they even. I didn't know they were

577
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: old enough to have their own generation.

578
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 2: Yet whatever their age is, it's like the worst thing

579
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: that could ever happen to them is aging. And I

580
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: actually saw recently, like a study showed that like teenagers

581
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: are literally citing skin as one of their biggest number

582
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: one body insecurity and number two is their weight. It's

583
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: like literally happening.

584
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: It's happened.

585
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: I was about to say, like, what happens to the

586
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 4: kid that has acne?

587
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: Which was me?

588
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: It was that was already hard enough and we were

589
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: washing our face with the oh.

590
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: We were called it, the we had the stride ex pads.

591
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: What was not saying? I also was it proactive? I

592
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: had that at work any But as.

593
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 4: You're saying that, I listened to and I don't remember

594
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: if I actually brought this up on here.

595
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: I now brought it up to Hannah.

596
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: But I listened to a really good episode about kids

597
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: and skincare on be there in five with Kate Kennedy,

598
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: and she made a really good point, and she was

599
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: talking about how when she was younger, she wanted to

600
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 4: be older, Like we all want to be older. We

601
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: mimic what the older kids are doing, Like I remember

602
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: like putting like a paper clip in my mouth, pretending.

603
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: Like ad braces at one point.

604
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: That's so true and so now because of the access

605
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: of what people are seeing. They're seen on TikTok all

606
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 4: of these older people doing these fifteen step routines, and

607
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 4: then they are mimicking that, and they just have different

608
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 4: access to what people are doing. So I was watching

609
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: kids at the movie theater have braces. I couldn't watch

610
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: their skincare routine because there was no way for me

611
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 4: to watch that. I couldn't watch their get ready with

612
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 4: me makeup routine because there's nowhere for.

613
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: Me to watch that.

614
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: I wanted the silver, wet and wild eyeshadow because that's

615
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 4: the ad I saw it.

616
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: In the magazine I was reading. That was it.

617
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: And so with more information, kids are doing the same

618
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: thing that they've always done.

619
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they haven't changed their habits. And actually, isn't it

620
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: a response of someone that age children you look outwardly

621
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: to understand and feel safe. There's a word it's like

622
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: extrinsic or intrans I don't know, maybe I'm as validation. Yeah,

623
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: they're literally seeking extrinsic validation to feel safe within themselves

624
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: and to feel like they belong in society so that

625
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: they'll be accepted into society. Right, who doesn't.

626
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: Resonate with that?

627
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: I mean like we still are all like kind of

628
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: we all want that, that's what we're talking about.

629
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: I want to fit in and everybody's wearing frownies. Should

630
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: I get to do this?

631
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

632
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

633
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, all my friends are getting filler, all my

634
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 2: friends are getting botox, everybody's using frownies?

635
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: Is should I be?

636
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 4: Like?

637
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: There's the literal memes that I like refuse to repost,

638
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: the ones that are like if you wore this slide yeah,

639
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: when you were whatever, it's time for a college and cream,

640
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: And I'm like, ew, what a shameful way to like

641
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: sell your service or your product, Like ew, gross, that's

642
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: not nice.

643
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: That's not nice.

644
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: Should feel bad?

645
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I just like I'm like, oh, I didn't

646
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: know that. I like I had those slides, the black ones.

647
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: With the y So now Okay, I guess I have

648
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: a problem.

649
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I have a problem. Like I'm not

650
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: using that? What's wrong with me for not using that?

651
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: What's going to happen to me if I don't use that? Retinol?

652
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

653
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: So what do you say to those for the kids

654
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: that are and the moms that are, Because I'm sure

655
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 4: people listening here have kids, they are like, oh my

656
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 4: I bought my kids that is?

657
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: Was that wrong? Or what do you do?

658
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: Personally?

659
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: I do want to say, like, don't like I wouldn't

660
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: have my kids on products like drunk Elephant. They're strong,

661
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: and I don't even really think people should be on

662
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: some of those products, like just without the guidance of

663
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: a professional. That's like my thing on that brand exclusively.

664
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: I don't like that they actually are targeting to children.

665
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: If you look up that line, it like is like

666
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: teens teens, Like they're using like search engine optimization to

667
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: actually seek out teens at this point because they realize

668
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: that it's selling. I don't necessarily agree with that. I

669
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: think that's kind of gross. What I ended up saying

670
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: to a lot of the people who message me who

671
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: are like, I like, actually need help though, Like my

672
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: kid has this thing, and I'm like, well, first of all,

673
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: like you should maybe try to have a conversation sometimes

674
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: sometime around like what do you like about skincare? Like

675
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: if they're interested in it, get interested in it, you

676
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Definitely don't shame them or like

677
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 2: say now because you have a beauty routine, let's not

678
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: like lie like they are still like seeing us doing

679
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: a skincare team, why shouldn't they have one. I think

680
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: it's very fair, especially at a certain age, for a

681
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: kid to have like a basic hygiene routine, Like there's

682
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with them wanting to wash their face and

683
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: like use a cream. I even think there's really cute

684
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: brands out there, like hashtag not an ad, but there's

685
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: like Bubble Skincare that like has some really good just

686
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: basic moisturizing products that like they can't hurt themselves with

687
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: because it's so just like based on barrier repair and

688
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: just basic hydration and like hygiene. And then there's like

689
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to pronounce this, but it's

690
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: always at target Like Laroche Pusse is like that really basic. Yeah,

691
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: it's a really basic line and if you want them

692
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: to have a cleanser and like a little moisturizing serum

693
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: and a moisturizer and or honestly, if they want steps

694
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: like that, sure, but if you have a kid who

695
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: doesn't need or want to do all those steps, I'm

696
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: not saying forces on them because if they're not asking. Honestly,

697
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: I would be glad if they just like wash their

698
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: face in the shower or whatever. But I think teaching

699
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: SPF at a young age could I mean, I would

700
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: aside from saying, like, if you're this age, you should

701
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: use this serum. Like I wish I could go back

702
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: and use SPF religiously from when I was eleven, I

703
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: would be unstoppable.

704
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 4: If that's you're talking about it that taking care of yourself.

705
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: Not I'm talking about hygiene and health right from a

706
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: health perspective, Like there's nothing wrong with a kid hydrating

707
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: their skin, having a cute little routine with not really

708
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: many actives. I don't know if everyone knows what an

709
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: active is, but like in skincare that you would get

710
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 2: from a professional, and active is something like a vitamin

711
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: C that's gonna target an issue within the skin and

712
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: revise it. So things like acids, things like vitamin A,

713
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: vitamin C peptides. These are things that like get to

714
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 2: work within your skin. That's what that means. But basically

715
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: you want to kind of avoid.

716
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Those ingredients with kids.

717
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: That's why drunk elephant, which is like all vitamin A

718
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: and vitamin C, you definitely want to avoid that with children.

719
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: Teen years are some of the most formative years for

720
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: their like microbiome and their skin barriers, and you just

721
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: don't want to mess with it. The body is doing

722
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: with the body is excellent at doing at protecting itself

723
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: and learning how to, you know, take care of us.

724
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: You know, we don't have to actually like make it

725
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: do anything.

726
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: You know what I was just thinking about.

727
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if this isn't like a crazy thought,

728
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: but it just popped in my head because before we

729
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: started recording, you were talking about how whatever the beauty

730
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 4: industry builds up, it will take it down.

731
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: I did want to say that.

732
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I want you to talk about that because

733
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: I think it is it's very in line with how

734
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 4: I feel about the diet and body.

735
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: And wellness industry, which they go hand in hand.

736
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: Because what I really like about you, and it goes

737
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 4: back to even when I went and saw you for

738
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 4: the first time, like it was helpful to see what

739
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 4: you're doing and for you to teach me these things,

740
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: because then I could say, and I wish somebody would

741
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 4: have told me this when I was in high school

742
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 4: and I had acne that like, you're not dirty.

743
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Like you're.

744
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 4: Dirty, you are not doing anything wrong, this is what's

745
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: going on, and that could have I mean, I think

746
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: it I still would have been self conscious because high school, yeah,

747
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 4: is human, but that perspective that comes from well, let's

748
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 4: get you to where your skin is getting what it needs,

749
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: which is part of your body is getting what it needs,

750
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 4: and we're nourishing it in the way that it needs

751
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: to be nourished versus we're making it look a certain way.

752
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: That is so parallel to the diet.

753
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 4: Industry, where there are so many different ways people are

754
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: feeding themselves to.

755
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: Look a certain way.

756
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: But because we have tied looking a certain way to

757
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 4: our health, we actually are getting farther away from health

758
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 4: because those diets don't care about the real functionality of

759
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 4: your body and your organs and all this stuff.

760
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: They just care about what you look like.

761
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 4: That is how I see you as the like opposite

762
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 4: to what like the whole thirty is.

763
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: To our body image kind of thing.

764
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 4: And just like every diet, there is four million and

765
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 4: right now everybody's obsessed with ozempic. Well, guess what, there

766
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 4: will be something else, And we don't have to get

767
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: into that because I already did a whole episode on it,

768
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 4: and I don't want.

769
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: To get heated.

770
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, trying to like, I'm just waiting for there to

771
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: be something after that, because there will be, and eventually

772
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: people are going to be then talking about why ozempic

773
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 4: isn't what you need, it's this, and so will you

774
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: talk about how that it's so true?

775
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: So I had a couple examples we were chatting about earlier,

776
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: and that's that is something I said. I said, what

777
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 2: the industry builds up, it's going to break down, because

778
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: I wish people could realize how intentionally strategic and creepy

779
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: the beauty industry can really be in trying to sell

780
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: us things constantly. So I remember a few years ago,

781
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: the most popular like trending products that were like ads everywhere.

782
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: It was all exfoliation, exfoliation, exfoliation trying to get away

783
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: from like texture in the skin or like trying to

784
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: clear acne with things like alpha hydroxy acids or beta

785
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: hydroxy acids, which is fine when you have like a

786
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: professional guiding you. But like the over the counter skincare

787
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: that was being sold to everyone was all based in exfoliation.

788
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: We had exfoliating tonics and toners, we had serums, peeling solutions.

789
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: There's a product out there called baby Facial. There's just

790
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: so many things. I'll come back to baby Facial in

791
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: a second, actually, but everything was exfoliating and it probably

792
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: sold off the shelves and people were so happy because, yes,

793
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: using an acid in the beginning, you're gonna like it's

794
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: sloughing off dead skin by removing or kind of dissolving

795
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: the glue like substance that holds dead cell material to

796
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: the surface of your skin, so you will see like

797
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: a smoother texture. Maybe I hate using the word texture

798
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: because it's like our skin is supposed to have texture,

799
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: like we have pores. It's what keeps our skin alive.

800
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: But literally, people were exfoliating their faces off like crazy

801
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 2: with no guidance, and it was just, you know, maybe

802
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: the guidance of the influencers.

803
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: That they've been seeing online.

804
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 2: But what is the most number one thing I'm seeing now.

805
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 2: It's like we have come full circle. Not even full circle,

806
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: we have one eighty too. What is the repair process

807
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: after you burn the shit out of your face?

808
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 4: Well, I said, let me guess something else, like it's

809
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 4: a moisturizer. It's moisturizer, which I will say, terrified the

810
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 4: crap out of me hyde and saw you and you

811
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 4: you're like, what moisturizer are using? I was like, I,

812
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: first of all, take a stringent and I rub it

813
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: all over my face.

814
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I want my.

815
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: Face to feel like it is the desert sold off. Yeah,

816
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 4: and then I feel really healthy. And so you wanting

817
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: loaded me to put moisturizer in my face, I'm not

818
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 4: doing it. And I remember you saying, well, like maybe

819
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 4: your face is Maybe you said this in different words,

820
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 4: but it was I learned that maybe my face has

821
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 4: this oil that it's producing because it's so freaking thirsty,

822
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: and if I was morsturizing it, it wouldn't feel the need

823
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 4: to also then the oil oil. But now that we've

824
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 4: normalized moisturizer and morturizing our face, I feel like people

825
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 4: are fine having oily faces, Like that's the look that.

826
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: We want now.

827
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, now nobody wants to be Matt.

828
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: Now, we want to be the glazes, don't.

829
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean we are now like seeing barrier repair bombs

830
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: and barrier repair creams. We're seeing microbiome, the word microbiome

831
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: pop up. We're seeing probiotics show up, and skincare where

832
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: it's literally balms and ointments and like salves and like

833
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: creamy cleansers. They're all back in rotation because everyone is red,

834
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: rashing and inflamed now because they burn their faces.

835
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: So now we need to us.

836
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: They sold it to us. They solved a symptom and

837
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: then created another symptom, and then sold us the solution

838
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: to the next symptom. I'm literally getting confused by my

839
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: own thing because it's like that cuckoo bananas. It's that

840
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: crazy to me that like we fall for it too.

841
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 2: So everyone was like, yeah, I love this, Okay, cool, great, great, great,

842
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: you're great, And then they're like, oh, what's going on now? Uh?

843
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: I was just was I supposed to open endedly just

844
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 2: like use this every day and like be just like yeah,

845
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: and now my skin hurts and I don't know what

846
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: to do about it. And then again you like simultaneously

847
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: like lose trust in the industry of using products, but

848
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: then you need the more products to like fix the

849
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: problems that you caused. It's wild. I talked about earlier

850
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: how there's even like there is a company called Mother

851
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: that sells a rebirth Vernix Max for one hundred and

852
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: ten dollars, and there is a French line called Beulogic

853
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: Ruchersh and I'm probably butchering that line. But they have

854
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: a krem Vernix for two hundred and nine dollars, and

855
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: I had to explain to Kat what vernix is. I'm

856
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: a new mom, so I'm pretty aware and you might

857
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: be too. But it's this waxy like white substance that

858
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: babies are born with. It's actually kind of amazing because

859
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: it's this like film that is supposed to protect this

860
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: baby's like new fresh skin that has never.

861
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 3: Experienced the world before.

862
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: And it's crazy, like there's pathogens, bacteria, anything. It could

863
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: just be irritated by. I will say, our body makes

864
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: it for free, not that we can like harvest it

865
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: and use it on ourselves. Maybe some people do, but

866
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: all to say, we are selling that youth we want

867
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: to look plump and juicy, like a baby. We want

868
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: to be protected and nourished like a little baby. And

869
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: then we're turned around and you're like, actually, we need

870
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: to like remove plump is out. We need to be sculpted,

871
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 2: we need to be chiseled, we.

872
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: Need to be glowy.

873
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: But like we need to actually get the buckle massage

874
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: and get the surgical like buckle fat removed from our face,

875
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: which people are literally doing. They're sculpting out their jawlins

876
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: and filling up their cheeks so that the plumpness in

877
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: their face looks less apparent because plumps is out. It's

878
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: not good.

879
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: But I'm like, wait, we were just.

880
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 2: Supposed to have like baby soft cheeks. We were supposed

881
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: to be plump and juicy. We're supposed to be inhumane. Actually,

882
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: we're all supposed to be glazed donuts and porcelain and

883
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: glass skin and dewey dumplings. Like none of these things.

884
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 3: Are even human.

885
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: None of these things are even are cute.

886
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 4: I like that you what you just said. It's all

887
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 4: these things that are actually not human forms. And why

888
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 4: is it that we are wanting to look like a knob?

889
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: You can't because if you keep us searching or trying

890
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: and buying into things that are not possible for us

891
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: as humans, like looking perfect just in general, we'll just

892
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: keep buying. And so when I say, like, we need

893
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: to always keep in mind that the industry is trying

894
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 2: to sell to us to make money off of us

895
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: feeling bad about ourselves. That is literally what is happening.

896
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: And like, yes, you need a cleanser, maybe, yes you

897
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: might need to moisturize. Maybe, but it's maybe less serious

898
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: than the industry wants you to think. But they want

899
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: to fill you with self hate and motivate you to

900
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: keep buying by questioning your own sanity. Well on, do

901
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: I need all these things? I'm thirty?

902
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 4: But also do I need all these things? And it's

903
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 4: the same thing with our bodies in general. So you

904
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 4: guys can look at this whatever way we are being

905
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 4: sold the idea that we all have the ability to

906
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: look the same way, If we are not doing that,

907
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 4: then we're either doing it wrong, we're not doing enough,

908
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 4: we don't care, and that's a bad thing. And the

909
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 4: reality is, our bodies are all different, and our skin

910
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: is all going to look different. And what would it

911
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 4: look like if we were all okay with actually being different?

912
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 4: I think that would threaten this industry for sure, what

913
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 4: it looked like if you were okay being different, And

914
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: that's not something that I think we celebrate in raising people.

915
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: It's like how do I fit in versus like how

916
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: do I just show up as myself and belong?

917
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: And I mean it's scary, I get it.

918
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 4: I mean I went to middle school and high school

919
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: and college and it was terrifying and it threatens wanting

920
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: to survive, Like it threatens that, Like that's what it is.

921
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 4: If I am not staying in connection with people, I

922
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 4: will die. And to stay in connection with people, I

923
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: have to look desirable, whether it's to my friends, whether

924
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: it's to my teachers, whether it's to a romantic partner.

925
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 4: And that's how the beauty industry, the wellness industry, the

926
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: whatever industry is promoting of like look like.

927
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: This, be like this, act like this, and people like you.

928
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 1: You will be good.

929
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 4: And I think that's underneath a lot of this too.

930
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 4: Other than the like we're scared of dying, so we

931
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: have to focus on being glazed doughnuts. It's also we're

932
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 4: scared of people not giving us a chance. I think

933
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: that's a that's reality, is I don't look this way,

934
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 4: then I'm gonna Yeah, nobody's.

935
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: Not gonna We're not gonna be accepted, We're gonna be alone.

936
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: So I think in this conversation, what I don't have

937
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: for anybody is an answer to what you should be doing. Yeah,

938
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: I don't have an answer if you should be if

939
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: it's okay for you to get botox, or if it's

940
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 4: okay for you to.

941
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: Want this glowy skin like.

942
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 4: I don't have an answer to that because I don't

943
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: think it's always yes.

944
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's always no. I think it's usually maybe.

945
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: It depends.

946
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: It's totally not black and white. And actually, as an

947
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: esthetician and someone who is performing services that could be

948
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 2: looked at as like anti aging and everything under the sun,

949
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: clearing your skin, evening out texture or pigmentation, like we

950
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 2: I do do all of these things. Actually most of

951
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: our like the why behind what we do is to

952
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: like help people like get the best or like healthiest

953
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: skin of their life. And so I can't not help

954
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: people with those things if those are things that are

955
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: bothering them. But like it isn't black or white, if

956
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: if one person needs this or that, or if one

957
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 2: person just needs one thing, or if one person needs

958
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: twenty things, that's kind of up to them, but we

959
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: kind of try to help you figure that out.

960
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: And it's also okay if they don't care.

961
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: It is so okay if they don't care, it's also

962
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: okay if they do care. Like, I don't want to

963
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: have this conversation today to just shame people who do

964
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: have injectables or botox either, like there's nothing wrong with

965
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: wanting to do that. What I want to bring awareness

966
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: to is why why are we doing this? Is botox

967
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: just like the new purse that everyone else is carrying

968
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: and you want to fit in with your friends, Like

969
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: why are we doing it? I don't know, like do

970
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: you actually have an insecurity? And also maybe look at

971
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: what is that insecurity really about before you go and

972
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: do it. And then if you have looked at it

973
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: and you're like, actually, I just really want to do this,

974
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: like that's so okay, right. I don't know how to

975
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: actually say that after everything I've just said, it sounds

976
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: like I just said all of that is bad. You

977
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: don't need anything, And I mean I even said earlier,

978
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: like how do I like do I play a role

979
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: in like this? Because I then turned around and charge

980
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: for my services, you know what I mean, Which is

981
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: a whole other conversation, but like, how do I do

982
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: this and stay one step ahead so that I'm not

983
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: like becoming or staying a part of the problem or

984
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: perpetuating harm.

985
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: It's one thing that is helpful that I try to

986
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 4: promote an autonomy. And that's something that I do feel

987
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 4: like in some of the stuff that I've said about

988
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 4: knowing you, is you are helping people feel more autonomous. First,

989
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 4: like you're not telling everybody needs to have this, like.

990
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: You know, not only one.

991
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: We never do that.

992
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: Everybody's everybody's routine is like so different.

993
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: And I think that's what I would encourage people to

994
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 4: ask themselves in any of this stuff, because I buy

995
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 4: things that are trendy. Sometimes I want the new, perse

996
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: sometimes I don't. And I like to have the autonomy too,

997
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 4: if I really ask myself, do I like this or

998
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 4: do I like that?

999
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: Because this is other people have it.

1000
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 4: Like that Steve Madden shoe that we were talking about.

1001
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 4: I never bought that shoe because I thought it was ugly,

1002
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: And guess what, I still think it's ugly.

1003
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: It is trending and people are wearing it, and.

1004
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: You know what, on I do not like it, I'm.

1005
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: Going to pass.

1006
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 4: And I think that is what I want people to

1007
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 4: make sure they are maintaining. Is I can choose these things,

1008
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 4: but it's because I'm choosing them and I know why,

1009
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 4: and I know my limits and I can bow out

1010
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: at any moment, and that is something It is a

1011
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 4: continuous question like that I have to ask myself because

1012
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 4: I could take something too far and like, yes, I

1013
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: want to care about my skin. And I also like

1014
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 4: I got my eyebrows what's it called microbladed? And I

1015
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 4: had to sit with that decision of like why am

1016
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: I doing this? What's going to happen if I can't

1017
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 4: afford it anymore? Is it going to lead to me

1018
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 4: wanting something else? And so there are things that I've

1019
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 4: had to work through.

1020
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean I always say no. It means I

1021
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: say yes.

1022
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 4: Maybe it means I say no to something else because

1023
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 4: that maybe would be crossing the line. And I also

1024
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 4: have people around me that help me through these conversations.

1025
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 4: Sure it's the other thing, but I think when you

1026
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: look at the people that are helping you, like the

1027
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 4: girlet did my eyebrows. She wasn't like you should come back,

1028
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 4: and which put filler in. She was like, do you

1029
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 4: like them? Is there anything you want to change before

1030
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 4: I do this? Like it was that versus how do

1031
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 4: I keep you coming back from more? And how do

1032
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 4: I create a sense of fear there where? Like I'm

1033
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: being scared into thinking that I don't know no one's yes,

1034
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 4: and imagine there's a sense of safety somewhere in that.

1035
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 4: And can I dig into that before I buy these frownies.

1036
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: Or not right frownies whatever in creams, lip plums, greens, powders,

1037
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: Like what do I do I really need this? What

1038
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: part of me is being triggered into thinking that I

1039
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: need like it? Like it's obviously like lighting something up

1040
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: inside of us. Maybe this will like fix that thing

1041
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: that I like am bummed about, or maybe this will

1042
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: like solve this. Maybe this will get me some consistency

1043
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: when I look in the mirror about whatever do.

1044
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 4: You ever think when you were younger, I always felt

1045
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: like if I was getting a haircut, I was going

1046
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 4: to come back to school the next day a completely

1047
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 4: different person, Like I look, I was going to somehow

1048
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: like be popular and all the guys would like want

1049
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 4: to date me and change everything.

1050
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: It never happened.

1051
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 4: Now, how many times I chopped my hair off or

1052
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 4: got layers or whatever.

1053
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: It never happened.

1054
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 4: And I think that's a universal not universal, but a

1055
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 4: lot of people I think maybe had something like that.

1056
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 4: And I think that's what this what we're talking about is, like,

1057
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 4: m is it's going to be the haircut that gets the.

1058
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: Guy to finally pay attention to me or whatever it

1059
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: is for you.

1060
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, if it is, there's some digging in there

1061
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: because what I wish and I don't think I had

1062
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 4: the like sense of self or any of the things

1063
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 4: as a child to like really understand this. But what

1064
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 4: about me or what about the world makes it easy

1065
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 4: for me to desire somebody who would finally look at

1066
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 4: me if my hair was different. But I'm the same,

1067
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 4: everything else is the same.

1068
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: Yep, Like that is.

1069
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 4: An interesting thing to desire, And I think that's more

1070
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 4: important than whether or not it's okay for you from

1071
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 4: a whatever perspective to get this skincare product.

1072
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1073
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: I don't think there's I mean, I don't think there's

1074
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: anything wrong with high school you wanting to like get

1075
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: this haircut and then be more accepted by the people

1076
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: that you want to be accepted by. Like again, that's

1077
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: a human instinct, right to want to be connected to

1078
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: those around you. And then there's like high school politics

1079
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: and they're you want the cute, like the popular kids

1080
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 2: to like like you or whatever.

1081
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: But that's just you.

1082
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: You're taught in high school.

1083
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 4: If you are not doing the things like it was

1084
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 4: the outcasts, this is getting this conversation is going somewhere.

1085
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 4: I didn't think it again, but like it was like

1086
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 4: if you were not wearing the Steve Madden shoe or

1087
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 4: you were wearing the shoe that you just liked, then

1088
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 4: you're a loser and you just sit at that lunch

1089
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 4: table and we're gonna throw something at you, and that

1090
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 4: I think that's really scary. And we carry that into adulthood,

1091
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 4: even though we act like we're so much more mature,

1092
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 4: we still carry those instincts and those fears and those

1093
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 4: things with us. And I don't know how to solve this.

1094
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 4: I know, is how to point out the problem.

1095
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I was gonna point out a

1096
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: second ago that like it's interesting to me that like

1097
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how to say what I'm trying to say,

1098
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: so my first example is like going back to high school,

1099
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 2: but maybe because the examples in like real life are

1100
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: actually kind of like hard for me to say out loud,

1101
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: like here on a podcast right now, So like to

1102
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: simplify it down to, like, well, I wanted to you're

1103
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: saying like I wanted I wanted to get the haircut

1104
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 2: and make all the cute boys like me. What about

1105
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: like I wanted boatox because I want to look I

1106
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: want botox and filler because I want to look like

1107
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm in the income bracket that all the women in

1108
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: my life who get that are in. Maybe they make

1109
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: more than me, and I want to look like I

1110
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: fit in with them, like I don't. Is that a

1111
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: different like way to say this because I keep going

1112
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: back to high school and sounds so rudimentary, and I

1113
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: don't mean to, like I think we get it with

1114
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: the high school kids, but I'm like, what are the

1115
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: adult things that are actually so shameful and make us

1116
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: really feel that bad when we look in the mirror

1117
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: that make us don't feel like we fit in with

1118
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 2: our like colleagues, our surroundings, and our friends or are

1119
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: accepted by like romantic partners if you're dating or whatever. Right, Like,

1120
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: I think some of that is actually like harder to

1121
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: touch than just like giving examples like high school because

1122
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: that's so easy, right, But like what really drives us

1123
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: to like spend five hundred dollars on boatox because we

1124
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 2: really asked our parents for like the thirty dollars shoe

1125
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: or like to go to be able to like get

1126
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: the wet and wild eyeshadow. Right that was like thirteen

1127
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: bucks Max. I don't know, right, probably way less, but

1128
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: like that's such an easy example. That also like keeps

1129
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: everything that's happening in our thirty year old women's lives

1130
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: at an arms distance because I'm trying to sit here

1131
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: and be like, I will literally admit I was invited

1132
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 2: to like a really cool party for a product launch

1133
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: for a brand that I love, but I had a

1134
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: pimple and I didn't go because I'm an esthetician and

1135
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't show up with a ZiT. It

1136
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: was gross. I thought it was gross. Like, I'll admit it.

1137
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: I literally didn't go, And I still want to send

1138
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: her a message and be like I love you, I

1139
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: support you. I'm sorry I didn't show up to this thing,

1140
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: like I'm so proud of you, like I literally used

1141
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: to work for you, Like I so support you. But

1142
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: I was so ashamed that day that I couldn't show

1143
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: up as myself because I'm supposed to show up as

1144
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: this like authority and skincare, but I have a pimple,

1145
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: Like who's gonna take my advice or ever support my

1146
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 2: business if I have a ZiT?

1147
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: Ooh, you just like had to say that at the end,

1148
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: you could just sit there.

1149
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 4: And be like that was hard, but also that is sorry,

1150
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 4: but that is very real because the threat.

1151
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: It's like what I'm hearing is like that there.

1152
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 2: Were so many cool girls at that party. I mean

1153
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: it was East Nashville or Nashville like Royalty. I'm not kidding.

1154
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: Everybody cool was invited, and I felt so like flattered

1155
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 2: to be on to be invited to this thing, and

1156
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: I was so embarrassed to show up in front of

1157
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: all these beautiful, fashionable, iconic women in this town. I

1158
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: couldn't show up as Hannah Ella's skincare to this place

1159
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: with a ZiT.

1160
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: I literally couldn't.

1161
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: Not even what you believe. I think that's what's craziest now,

1162
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: I know that that's.

1163
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: I would literally tell all of my clients like, screw that,

1164
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: no one's gonna see that ZiT. You only have one.

1165
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: It's probably cute, like you know what I mean.

1166
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: And I say that all the time.

1167
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 2: I'm like one ZiT is like so cute because you know,

1168
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: like if we've cleared your skin and we get you

1169
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: the autonomy to like understand that this is just something

1170
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: that your skin does. Listen to me listen giving my

1171
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: own advice and not being able to accept it, Like

1172
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: if you can, like you just know that this is

1173
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: just a thing that skin does, then you can like

1174
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: know that like this isn't forever. It's gonna heal and

1175
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: go away. And that was just your body like letting

1176
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: go of some bacteria that needed to go.

1177
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: And it's only why.

1178
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: I would have looked at you and it would have

1179
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: been like I wouldn't have seen it. Well if I did,

1180
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: it would have been helpful.

1181
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: And speaking of it, it makes me human.

1182
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 4: Speaking of you told me that you had a ZiT

1183
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 4: on your wedding day, Well guess what, I had a

1184
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 4: huge that z that I showed you to go away.

1185
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 4: It actually got worse, and you know what, people kept

1186
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 4: telling me, is it looks like a beauty mark?

1187
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: Like when I no baby cares, nobody notices that it

1188
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: actually looks like a beauty mark.

1189
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 4: And I was like, wait, so you're telling me that

1190
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 4: if this is a beauty mark, then it's and I

1191
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 4: should be proud of it. But if people knew it

1192
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 4: was a pimple, then I would be I should be.

1193
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: And it would be gross or dirty or like, what's

1194
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: wrong with that?

1195
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: It's the same. It looks the same. It literally looks

1196
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: exactly the same.

1197
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 4: And so and I think people were trying to be

1198
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 4: helpful by saying like, it looks like a beauty mark,

1199
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 4: and like, honestly, it kind of did help. But then

1200
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, oh, it's the same. So I

1201
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 4: I guess I'm confused and I'm annoyed. And I remembered, well,

1202
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 4: Hannah had a say on her wedding day.

1203
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: It happens.

1204
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: It's normal, it happens. It's normal. I'm glad I can help.

1205
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: I'm I literally help people every day and try to

1206
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 2: normalize It's okay, our skin is going to get blemishes.

1207
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: It's a good, healthy thing that our skin is doing

1208
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: to protect us. And it's just natural and it will

1209
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 2: go away. And I'm like, I couldn't know this more

1210
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: deeper in my veins and I still was just so

1211
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: I just did not feel good about myself. Chalk it

1212
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: up to like feeling insecure postpartum or just not really

1213
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: feeling like myself yet. It was a little like earlier

1214
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: on in that journey, and I just felt like this

1215
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: it was one more thing like over the top. I

1216
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: didn't know what to wear. I didn't feel good about myself,

1217
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I like couldn't bring

1218
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: myself to go so and I don't know was it

1219
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: really the pimple. Was I looking for, like any reason

1220
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: not to go because I just didn't feel very good

1221
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: about myself? But like, how does that play into like

1222
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: or how that plays into us wanting to be accepted

1223
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: by people in the real world. I'm just trying to

1224
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: move away from like high school so that we're like touching.

1225
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1226
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 4: Well, the reason I think high school's important because it

1227
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 4: shows that like this is pervasive and this is where

1228
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 4: this stems from. All is coming from other places. Yes,

1229
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 4: but I'm trying to think about like an example for

1230
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 4: specifically more of a therapist person. I can't think of

1231
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 4: anything specific right now. I know there are things, but

1232
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 4: I do think about like the feeling in general where

1233
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 4: therapists we promote like self acceptance and body.

1234
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 3: Positivity, all the stuff.

1235
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 4: Like I know that there's places that I probably don't

1236
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 4: show up as my real self because if I did,

1237
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 4: then somebody would think X about me.

1238
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: And I'm supposed to be this way because I'm a therapist.

1239
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

1240
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 4: I think that's one of the driving forces that I

1241
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 4: continue to do this podcast and that I don't listen

1242
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 4: to the episodes is because because when I started to

1243
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 4: do it, I edit it myself. I chopped up those episodes.

1244
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 4: It would take me a whole day one because I

1245
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 4: didn't really know what I was doing, but two, I

1246
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 4: rearranged everything.

1247
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: It had to sound perfect.

1248
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 4: I need to make sure that like I sounded super

1249
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 4: professional and like it wasn't. I wasn't sharing things that

1250
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 4: I didn't What if my clients listened to this and

1251
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 4: they knew this about me, and it's like, wait a second,

1252
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 4: don't I want them to know that I'm human? So

1253
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 4: I don't edit anymore and I do not listen to

1254
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 4: it because I don't want to have to think about that,

1255
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 4: Like treating yourself like it goes out there and it's done,

1256
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 4: and what it's done is done.

1257
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: That's really healthy of you to like realize that and

1258
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: like let someone else kind of delegate that so that

1259
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: you don't even have to think about it.

1260
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 4: It was hard when I had to get that, and

1261
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 4: I when I first thought about having somebody else edit it. First,

1262
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 4: I was like, well'll just send him all the notes

1263
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 4: of all the things that I want to take out.

1264
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 4: But it, honestly, I was like, this is sucking my soul. Yeah,

1265
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 4: and it's too much. So every once in a.

1266
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: While, it's also making you like cross examine yourself in

1267
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: a way that you're like, Okay, I'm going to have

1268
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: this deep honest conversation.

1269
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: It's called you need therapy.

1270
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need it.

1271
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this deep honest conversation, and then I'm

1272
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: going to hack it to bits trying to like make

1273
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: it seem perfect, which is like gross. Well, no, it's

1274
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: not gross. You're saying gross because you're you're I feel

1275
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: that you're gross that you would think that for yourself, right,

1276
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: But like that's so human because you still want to

1277
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 2: come across as someone who is professional and like is

1278
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: I hate using the word authority, but is an authority

1279
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: in this that like can help people? And what if

1280
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: people listen to it and are like, why would I

1281
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: take advice from her? She like doesn't understand like beauty

1282
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: norms and you know, like what you know, well, like

1283
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: she used to working on it herself.

1284
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: That's so real.

1285
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 2: I actually think that makes you more human. And for

1286
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: someone who probably is going to listen to this and

1287
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: then edit it and be like, I don't even know

1288
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: what they're talking about, They're probably gonna leave in more.

1289
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: I even want them too, because they just don't know,

1290
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,479
Speaker 2: you know, so they can like just leave the human

1291
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: bits in, which is actually really good.

1292
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: I talk about I think even mentioned it.

1293
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 4: I love And one of the things that I value

1294
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 4: most about what I've learned from Brene Brown is the

1295
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 4: difference between fitting and belonging. And she talks about fitting

1296
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 4: in as we can fit in anywhere. Fitting in is

1297
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 4: morphine and changing ourselves so we can be accepted in

1298
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 4: certain spaces. Belonging is when I just get to show

1299
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 4: up and I'm accepted and we're saying and I feel

1300
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 4: safe and we don't belong everywhere, And that is something

1301
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 4: that was so helpful for me to learn as a person,

1302
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 4: and I think one of the most helpful lessons I

1303
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 4: can help clients learn is you don't belong at every

1304
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 4: table like you don't because there are people that believe

1305
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 4: different things than you, that don't sit well with you,

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Speaker 4: people that will that just are in other spaces, and

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Speaker 4: that's okay.

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Speaker 1: We don't all have to be the same.

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Speaker 4: Therefore, I'm allowed to say I don't need to be

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Speaker 4: able to sit at that table. And I think me

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Speaker 4: releasing the control of some of the podcast stuff is

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Speaker 4: saying Also, if somebody listens to this and thinks I

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Speaker 4: sound dumb or stupid or unprofessional or chaotic or whatever,

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Speaker 4: or they might like, listen to my podcast, but they're

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Speaker 4: like I never would want her to be my therapist.

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Speaker 1: I would.

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Speaker 4: I just want to be your friend, like something like that.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't have to belong in every space the

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Speaker 4: same way. I am allowed to release that, And it's

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Speaker 4: honestly so nice. It's actually helped me like not care

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Speaker 4: about what I wear as much too, curse. It's so

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Speaker 4: nice to be like, I don't know if these shoes

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Speaker 4: match and if I'm what kind of socks people are

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Speaker 4: wearing these days.

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Speaker 1: But this is pretty weird, weird fuzzy socks of coffee.

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Speaker 2: I'm like the ugliest yellow socks I've ever seen.

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Speaker 5: Staring at them, I'm like, I'm not flattering like han socks.

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Speaker 5: We're just sitting here with our dogs out, being like

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Speaker 5: what this is?

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Speaker 1: So, so I think that's what I want to close with.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is that, no matter what we're doing, go back

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Speaker 4: to the autonomy thing because that m hmm, that definitely

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Speaker 4: connects to this.

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Speaker 1: But is it okay?

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Speaker 4: And if it's not dig into that, is it okay?

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Speaker 4: And what does it feel like to sit with the

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Speaker 4: idea that we might not belong everywhere and that is

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Speaker 4: just part of life and we're allowed to accept.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, to not formally circle back to that DM

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Speaker 2: or whatever. Maybe we are circling back to the DM.

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Speaker 2: But like, is skincare a trend? I honestly think it's

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Speaker 2: here to stay. I think that health is always going

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01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: to be something people are like aiming for whatever. I

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01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: think that beauty is always going to be something people

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Speaker 2: are talking about. So I don't even want to call

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Speaker 2: it a trend. I just think it's like a selling point.

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Speaker 2: And so oh, I think as we constantly get targeted

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Speaker 2: these things, as we constantly get shown ads in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the night when you're scrolling and like rocking

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01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: your baby back to sleep or something like I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking of all the realistic ways, Like we're

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01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: probably just like, oh, I want to see what my

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Speaker 2: friend is up to. Oh, look a new cream. Like

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Speaker 2: it's so quick and insidious the.

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Speaker 3: Way it like puts it puts itself.

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Speaker 2: Right in front of us, and all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: you didn't even realize you were on there to buy something.

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Speaker 2: But how did I like spend one hundred dollars before

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Speaker 2: seven am this morning while I was like going to

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Speaker 2: the bathroom before I came out to make my cup

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Speaker 2: of coffee. I've already spent money. I've already been targeted

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Speaker 2: by three beauty ads. Like we're going to be shown

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Speaker 2: these things. What if we felt more autonomous or in

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Speaker 2: control of the situation by accepting that, like, we don't

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Speaker 2: have to have all of these things. Maybe some of

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01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: it would benefit me if I want that, But maybe

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Speaker 2: consider what do I want? And then if that want

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Speaker 2: is like, well, I want to look beautiful, I like perfect,

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Speaker 2: maybe sit with that for a little bit first, just

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Speaker 2: have a little more thought going into it.

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Speaker 3: And if you feel like you're lost.

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Speaker 2: In that, that's when I think having an esthetician to

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Speaker 2: help you guide yourself through that really can help. It

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Speaker 2: just simplifies everything down. And then also maybe having a

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Speaker 2: therapist someone to guide you through those emotions and thoughts

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Speaker 2: about how you feel about yourself and how to have

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01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 2: like realistic goals in your life and coping strategies.

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01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: To deal with everything that's gonna hit you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whether it's realistic or not.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I wanted to come on here today.

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Speaker 2: That's why that DM struck a chord with me and

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01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,919
Speaker 2: Kat honestly, probably just because we're both at the same

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Speaker 2: place where we're like, well, wow, what are we supposed

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01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: to do as we age, we're supposed to.

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Speaker 3: Do it all.

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01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 2: We're supposed to just abandon it and be all the

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Speaker 2: way on the other side of the spectrum and like

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Speaker 2: do nothing, Like is there room in the middle?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I just think we should be intentional about it. Maybe

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01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: is the right is the right way to put it,

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01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: and we're all still working on it though, obviously is.

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Speaker 4: There room in the middle feels really nice? Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I want to end with that because I think that

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Speaker 4: what you just said connects with so much of what

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01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 4: we talk about on this podcast as a whole. Is

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Speaker 4: their room in the middle, What would happen if I

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Speaker 4: lived in this gray area? And how can I create

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Speaker 4: boundaries that help me stay in the gray area? Because yeah,

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Speaker 4: the answer to the question is yes, no, maybe, it depends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends. That's my favorite thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I will put Hannah's info in the show notes so

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Speaker 4: you can just click and find her. But do you

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Speaker 4: want to say what you're where people can find you, whether.

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Speaker 2: It's it's Hannah Elli's skincare. We're here in Riverside Village

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Speaker 2: in East Nashville, and you can find us at Hannah

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Speaker 2: Ellis dot skincare on Instagram. I'm the Nashville Esthetician on

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Speaker 2: Instagram if you want to follow my personal page and yeah,

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Speaker 2: also just Hannahliskincare dot com.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if you guys have any questions, thoughts, comments, feedback, anything,

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Speaker 4: you can send it to Katherine at UNI Therapy podcast

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Speaker 4: dot com. You can find us at You Need Therapy

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Speaker 4: Podcast on Instagram and at dot defota.

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Speaker 1: If you have any.

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Speaker 4: Specific questions asked to do with this episode, you can

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01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 4: always send them in and we can use those for

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Speaker 4: a couch talks in the future. Or I just answer

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Speaker 4: questions that you guys send to me and I will

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Speaker 4: talk to you guys on Wednesday for couch talks. Until then,

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Speaker 4: I hope you have you know what. I hope you

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Speaker 4: have the skin day you need to have.

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Speaker 3: I hope you have the skin you need to have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, that's better.

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Speaker 4: So good good night, good day, goodbye bye.