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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Jennifer Rothwell is twenty eight

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Speaker 1: joining us Stephen Lampley, detective author of Outside Your Door

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Levi. I keep looking at this gorgeous

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Speaker 1: are at the home where the West County woman lives.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Rothwell was last seen leaving her home in Criefcorps

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Speaker 1: everything when Lyci went missing. And then there was Jodi Arius.

427
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: She just got the the laundry bug when her lover,

428
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: Chevis Alexander was stabbed dead and whoopsie, her digiKam was

429
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: in the laundry and it showed her leg and foot

430
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: at the crime scene during the murder. So now you

431
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: got the husband bo Rothwell bleaching the carpet um. Jason thoughts, Yeah,

432
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: the analogies are good, Nancy. Yeah, all of a sudden,

433
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, seemingly don't suck. Jason. If this guy is

434
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: your client, what do you do in the face a

435
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: video of him by Bleach who knew he was a

436
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: neat Nick and then the Bleach soaking the carpet, maybe

437
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: the kitchen floor, maybe the bathroom, but the carpet. Jason, Hey,

438
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: can you get on that one instant domestication? I get it, Nancy.

439
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: And so if you're if you're looking at the end

440
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: game of an attorney, obviously you're seeing the tea leaves

441
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: and you're gonna try to negotiate something else if you

442
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: know the body hasn't been found or things of that.

443
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: If there's a boy that's your defense client you're talking

444
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: about a body, Nay, you're looking at them totally not

445
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: hiring you anymore. Yeah, we're gonna wait for a trial, Nancy.

446
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere until there's a you know, greater resolution.

447
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: But but for the moment, I mean, you're obviously absorbing

448
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: all of that and advising your client that, as you said,

449
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: does not look good that you've now you know, been

450
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: found on video purchasing cleaning products and bleach uh and

451
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: the underlying area has copious amounts of blood. Not looking good, No,

452
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: it is crime stories with Nancy Grace. Police are also

453
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: revealing what they say Bo did the day before his

454
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: wife was reported missing. November eleventh. Police say Bo Rothwell

455
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: was seen on video buying cleaning supplies. November twelfth, around

456
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: six twenty am, Jennifer's mom says Bow told her Jennifer

457
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: was last seen leaving for work that evening. Bo says

458
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: he filed a police report. Just hours later, police find

459
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: Jennifer's abandoned car near Olive and Fifi. Jennifer's mom says

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00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: her phone was inside, but her purse was gone. And

461
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: then on November thirteenth, last night, at seven forty five pm,

462
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: police execute a search warn at the couple's home and

463
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Bo was taken into custody. Our cameras were rolling as

464
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: investigators spent hours going in and out of their home.

465
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: Bow's arrest comes less than five hours after posting this

466
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Speaker 1: on Facebook, saying some of you may have already heard,

467
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: but last night my wife Jennifer went missing. I've filed

468
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: a police report and the search is ongoing. Please if

469
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: you hear of anything or have any information, it would

470
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: be greatly appreciated. Jennifer's mom tells me the two had

471
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: been happily married for five years. She thought her daughter

472
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: may have been taken. She never said anything about not

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00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: being happy with what was, you know, her job or

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00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: the way her relationships. We're going you are hearing our

475
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: friends at KMOV. That was Kim Saint Age on the

476
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: story from the get go. There is no way that

477
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: this woman is still alive. And it's very, very difficult

478
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: for people on the outside looking in to imagine why

479
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: in such a new marriage this would happen. But after

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00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: the bleach was found, it was just a matter of time.

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00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Claire kill at a KMOV. And

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Speaker 1: in the case of the missing Saint Louis County woman

483
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: Jennifer Rothwell, just hours ago police confirmed to us a

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Speaker 1: body found near Troy, Missouri, has been positively identified as

485
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: her remains. Her husband, Bo Rothwell, contacted police Monday, offering

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00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: to help direct them to the buy. Officers returned to

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00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: Highway sixty one year Troy yesterday to look for additional evidence.

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00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: Friends of the couple just like police searching for answers. Actually,

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00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: I thought he was a really easy going, kind of

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00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: soft spoken guy. Even playing sports like racketball. You know,

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00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: I'd be really aggressive and he'd be kind of laid back.

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00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: And her husband, Bo Rothwell, is currently charged with second

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Speaker 1: degree murder. Wow. Bo Rothwell, also aged twenty eight, now

494
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: charged with murder two and the death of his wife,

495
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: Jennifer Rothwell. I can say this much, Jason Oceans and

496
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: New York defense attorney, he'd better have a deal in place.

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00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: What does he think leading them to her dead body's

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00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: going to get him a gold star at sentencing. Otherwise

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00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: he's going down for life life with that parole. Well,

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00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: that could have also been negotiated with counsel at that

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00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: point in terms of directing them where it was. I

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00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: don't know. It sounds like he called police and volunteered

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00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: to take them to the body. I'd like more background

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00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: on that, relatively, but that's something generally counsel might negotiate

505
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: at that particular point looking at all the evidence ahead

506
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: of you. But you're right, he probably might be looking

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00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: for the gold store, or you know, maybe they are

508
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: further aggravated circumstances unknown at the moment. So you know,

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00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: and as the doctor said, sometimes you're in a normal

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00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: routine and then jump out of it, you know, mild

511
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: mannered and laid back, and then you know, seemingly now

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00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: confessing to the murder of his wife. So you can

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00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: deviate from pattern. Well yeah, and that's that's a tricky

514
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: thing right there, confessing to the murder. What he did

515
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: was lead them to the body. To doctor Kennel Crown's

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00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: Deputy medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas, her body has been

517
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: in the elements for several days, about an hour away.

518
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: At first he was only charged with tampering with evidence,

519
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: but now murder two what can they hope? First of all,

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00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: they've got to identify her body, and having been out

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00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: in the elements, what would her body how far would

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00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: the decomposure have gone. So decomposure is reliant on environmental

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00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: conditions for it to progress. So usually in cold environments

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00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: the body will stay relatively intact for quite a while.

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00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: I've seen it before in very cold environments where they

526
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: will still look perfectly normally set. They are frozen solid.

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00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: So she could still be very intact because of the

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00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: weather conditions of where they're in Saint Louis at the time. Well,

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00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: we know a body found in Missouri positively identified as

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00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: the missing twenty eight year old chemical engineer Jennifer Rothwell.

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Speaker 1: It was found Monday night, about forty five miles away

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00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: from the home she shared with her young husband, Bo Rothwell.

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00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: We know that he led them to the body and

534
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: the day before, which is going to be a killer

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00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: for him, as showing premeditation. At least twenty four hours ahead,

536
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: he spotted on video buying cleaning products at a local store.

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00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: Detective search the home find wet carpet soaked with bleach

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00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: and large areas of blood. Back to you, Doctor Kendall

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00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: Crown's Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas, Austin. What a

540
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know is that bleach does not

541
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: totally degrade DNA. You need something like a muriatic acid

542
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: at best to totally get rid of DNA. That's very true.

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00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just buy your standard chlorine bleach,

544
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: it won't disrupt the humoglobin and it can still be found.

545
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: You got to buy something that has an oxidizer in it,

546
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: like hydrogen peroxide or something like that that'll bust it

547
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: up a little bit better and he might not be

548
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 1: able to find the DNA then, but not a lot

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00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: of people know that, you know. I wonder what was

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00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: going on in that marriage. I wonder what his job

551
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: was and how he felt he compared to her, who

552
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: is not only just beautiful but also a brainy at

553
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: with an awesome job. We do know that he led

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00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: police to her body about forty five miles northwest of

555
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: her home. Now question to you, Jason Oshans again, I

556
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: noticed this in the Scott Peterson casey many many others.

557
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: He was a fisher, So where did he dun't lace

558
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: his body? San Francisco Bay where he went fishing all

559
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: the time. I wonder if there's a connection between husband

560
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: bo Rothwell and this location Troy, Missouri where her body

561
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: was found. Well again, very accurate, Nancy. Generally people humans

562
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: go where you know, mammals go where they know, you know,

563
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: they operate in a range, and where you think someone

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00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: doesn't know that you're familiar with. You know. Generally, those

565
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: are the places that you will, you know, if you're

566
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: encountering a criminal act and there's something to recover, those

567
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: are generally the known areas that someone has been tracking

568
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: someone's past locations through their GPS on the phone. So

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00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: that's the methodology. And you know, to doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis,

570
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: psychologist at Professor Columbia University, he was thorough. If nothing else,

571
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: he bought cleaning products including bleach, carpet cleaner, and gloves

572
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: a court. And we've learned this from the probable cause

573
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: affidavit in the search warrant and the arrest warrant. So

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00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: it's when you look at him, it's hard to fathom

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00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: how he could so systematically but yet diabolically plan the

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00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: cleanup of his wife's body and blood. I mean, I

577
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: wonder if she was even alive at that time, because

578
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: he's the only one that spotted her leaving the home

579
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: that morning to go to work. And if he was

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00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: already at the store getting carpet cleaner, why would he

581
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: do that. If he did, if she wasn't already, her

582
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: blood had already soaked the carpet. So how do you

583
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: explain psychologically someone who's doing a diabolical deed but is

584
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: perfectly sane. Well, someone who does such a deed, according

585
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: to psychological linguistics, is not perfectly sane. They may be

586
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: acting with clarity and determination and be lucid and sound charming,

587
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: but according to my definition of sanity, that's not it.

588
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: To me. Sanity in a healthy human being, healthy cognitive

589
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: human being is the ability to pause, reflect, and choose

590
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: the way of least harm. And clearly that wasn't his tendency.

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00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: It sounds like he possibly get I don't know for sure,

592
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: not having spoken to him, but highly possible. He's a

593
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: sociopath with no sense of guilt, conscious morality, a certain

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00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: seth way of thinking. To we chief, the well under

595
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: the law, Insanity is not knowing the difference between right

596
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: and wrong at the time of the incident. And with

597
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: this methodical planning, they cover up after wasting time seven

598
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: hours before reporting her missing, cleaning up the home, purchasing

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00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: all of the items ahead of time, that is what

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00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: we call them the law premeditation, then lying about it,

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00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: even begging for the public's help, shows entirely lucid functioning

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00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: adult male. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story,

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00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,