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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi,
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll decid us the reasons we now
Speaker 3: know that our loved ones have survived physical death and
Speaker 3: so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. We
Speaker 3: were first introduced to the topic of shared deaf experiences
Speaker 3: back on episode twenty three, talking to William Peters, who
Speaker 3: runs the Shared Crossing Project. You may also remember talking
Speaker 3: to doctor Raymond Moody and co author Paul Perry about
Speaker 3: their latest book on shared deaf experiences back on episode
Speaker 3: one fifty one. Today we'll continue our look at shared
Speaker 3: death experiences as we meet Helen Gretchen Jones. By day,
Speaker 3: she and her husband run a photography, film and lighting
Speaker 3: company in Austin, Texas. She's also a mom and a
Speaker 3: death doula, having volunteered hundreds of hours by the bedside
Speaker 3: of those passing with an organization called NODA, which stands
Speaker 3: for No One Dies Alone. As a child, Gretchen had
Speaker 3: a special relationship with wise voices who would talk to her,
Speaker 3: and attributes that to spending much time alone and what
Speaker 3: we now call a meditative state. I ask that while
Speaker 3: you listen today, you engage your own imagination as she
Speaker 3: tells you some of her stories. Gretchen has recently written
Speaker 3: a book called Healing Whispers from Spirit Guides, bridging the
Speaker 3: gap between life and the afterlife with a death Dula's Wisdom.
Speaker 3: I first met Gretchen six or seven years ago at
Speaker 3: a medium workshop in New Orleans. She's a kind and
Speaker 3: beautiful soul for sure, and be sure to listen to
Speaker 3: the end. She's got some great advice and what we
Speaker 3: can all do to slow down and bridge the two worlds.
Speaker 3: Here's Gretchen.
Speaker 1: I am in Central Texas and I am married with
Speaker 1: a couple of kids, but I do death doula work,
Speaker 1: which is a little outside of social norms. A death
Speaker 1: doula is someone who holistically helped someone transitioned to the
Speaker 1: other side. I think it's a growing need with the
Speaker 1: changing shifts in our healthcare system. A lot of times
Speaker 1: nurses used to be able to have the time to
Speaker 1: sit bedside, and now they have so much red tape
Speaker 1: and paperwork. It's very helpful now to have someone else
Speaker 1: that can come in and sit beside people who are transitioning.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where the death doula can come
Speaker 1: in and really help there. And so it's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things that I get to do, and I
Speaker 1: am just so honored to be able to sit bedside
Speaker 1: with some of these patients.
Speaker 3: How did you first get involved in that, because it's
Speaker 3: not the average person that says, gee, i'd like to
Speaker 3: do this.
Speaker 1: Well, I've always had a connection with spirit my whole life,
Speaker 1: so that has always been a natural part of my
Speaker 1: own perspective of the world. But in twenty fifteen, my
Speaker 1: father transitioned and it was unexpected for a lot of
Speaker 1: people in my family. He had Cross of the liver
Speaker 1: and he was only in his fifties, so it sort
Speaker 1: of took the family by surprise. There wasn't closure, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people had a lot of unsaid things,
Speaker 1: especially my sisters, around his death, and it just made
Speaker 1: me think, Wow, if there was a way that I
Speaker 1: could sit with families and help them find closure, find
Speaker 1: peace before their loved one transitions so that other families
Speaker 1: don't have to experience what my family did, or if
Speaker 1: there was a way to help people to transition so
Speaker 1: they don't feel that fear around death, that would also
Speaker 1: be something I would like to be a part of.
Speaker 1: And through a series of their indipitous events, I came
Speaker 1: across certification as a death duela and I just dove
Speaker 1: right in and I haven't looked back since.
Speaker 3: Those first days must have been tough, you know, we
Speaker 3: have that feeling that we want to do something, and
Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of joy within hospice, but
Speaker 3: you also get to know people and then they.
Speaker 1: Depart, so with hospice. That's where it is the hardest,
Speaker 1: because you do form those relationships with loved ones. They
Speaker 1: become your family. Sometimes I've had patients last as long
Speaker 1: as five years on hospice. I also volunteer with NOA,
Speaker 1: which is a no one Dies Alone program, and in
Speaker 1: that situation, you only know these people for one to
Speaker 1: three days typically, so it's a much shorter time. But
Speaker 1: at first I thought I really needed to be the
Speaker 1: strong one. I needed to not cry, I needed to
Speaker 1: have the answers, I needed to have it all together
Speaker 1: whenever I sat with these people and their families. But
Speaker 1: that really takes a toll on you because it is
Speaker 1: an emotional situation that you're sitting in. Once I allowed
Speaker 1: myself to be free to experience exactly what I was
Speaker 1: experiencing in the moment, and I do tear up with
Speaker 1: every one of my patients. It made not only the patient,
Speaker 1: but the family feels safe to be vulnerable. Also. They
Speaker 1: all break down and then they say what they need
Speaker 1: to say. They find that strength within themselves to say
Speaker 1: those final words that maybe they're holding up. They don't
Speaker 1: want to appear weak or as a burden often and
Speaker 1: so they hold it all in. But if one person
Speaker 1: breaks down, then everybody else starts to and it's the
Speaker 1: most beautiful thing to unfold. So long apply that resistance,
Speaker 1: trying to be the strong one, I allow what is
Speaker 1: to just happen, and it's amazing how everyone seems to
Speaker 1: open up. It's also important to note that the fear
Speaker 1: around death is often just after and before we are
Speaker 1: diagnosed with the terminal illness. The fear seems to go
Speaker 1: away in that final week. There seems to be a
Speaker 1: shift as that person moves into two worlds at once.
Speaker 1: They start to see things and they start to have
Speaker 1: moments of peace and moments of hey, maybe it's not
Speaker 1: so scary after all. And it's the family who hangs
Speaker 1: on to this fear around death while the other person
Speaker 1: is moving into accepting it and recognizing loved ones at
Speaker 1: the bedside. So the fear is what we put on
Speaker 1: ourselves before death and when we first receive eterminal illness.
Speaker 1: But when we actually start the process of transitioning, that
Speaker 1: fear releases, and it really is beautiful. So I have
Speaker 1: witnessed people standing outside their bodies, other beings of light, angelics,
Speaker 1: other family members. I've actually had shared experiences where I
Speaker 1: go part way into the spirit world with some of
Speaker 1: my clients and patients. I'm a believer, but I'm absolutely
Speaker 1: open to it, which is I think why some of
Speaker 1: these experiences are happening so frequently for me. It's actually
Speaker 1: maybe too why I'm a death doula, because there's such
Speaker 1: a moment of joy that I get to experience at
Speaker 1: the bedside, so it doesn't fill me with all this
Speaker 1: sadness the way maybe some other people might perceive it.
Speaker 1: It's glorious. I would say. One story that I'm really
Speaker 1: enjoying sharing right now is a story about Missus Wilma.
Speaker 1: And Missus Wilma was on the NODA program. When you
Speaker 1: volunteer with NOTA they send out an email just like
Speaker 1: an email blast to everybody, and you fill up a
Speaker 1: time slot in three hour time shifts. I signed up.
Speaker 1: I went down to the hospital and sat with Missus Wilma,
Speaker 1: and on my way there, I knew that I was
Speaker 1: going to be visiting an elderly woman, and I knew
Speaker 1: that she had family, but that her family wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to make it in. When I got there, that
Speaker 1: was validated, and I think the reason spirit gives me
Speaker 1: that information. They give me off times a age or
Speaker 1: a race or a gender is just so that when
Speaker 1: I arrivee and it's validated, I know that I'm tuned
Speaker 1: into spirit. So I think that's why they give it
Speaker 1: to me. So I knew when I showed up there
Speaker 1: she was, it was validated. And I sit down. She
Speaker 1: looks so peaceful already, and I start my own little
Speaker 1: ritual of like prayer and intention, and I place my
Speaker 1: hands on her hand, and out of the corner of
Speaker 1: my eye, I see a little girl walk in. And
Speaker 1: then it occurred to me. She was in black and white.
Speaker 1: It's a younger version of Missus Wilma. She's probably twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen years old. She's wearing her Sunday best. She's,
Speaker 1: you know, got her hair twisted in little pigtails. And
Speaker 1: she walks over to me and takes my right hand.
Speaker 1: My left hand is holding elderly Missus Wilma's hand. When
Speaker 1: this happens, the entire hospital room transforms into this forest.
Speaker 1: So I am aware that I am in two worlds
Speaker 1: at once. I'm very much aware that I am observing
Speaker 1: elderly missus Wilma in the hospital room. I'm aware of
Speaker 1: the navy blue chair that I am sitting in, and
Speaker 1: then I'm simultaneously aware of standing in this forest holding
Speaker 1: young Missus Wilma's hand, and I had this amazing feeling
Speaker 1: that I was bigger than my body, bigger and free,
Speaker 1: this amazing feeling of freedom. If you put me in
Speaker 1: a bigger room, I would have been bigger than that room.
Speaker 1: It was just the most glorious feeling. And then I
Speaker 1: had this knowing that there was an overarching theme in
Speaker 1: Missus Wilma's life where separation was the main part of
Speaker 1: one of her big lessons or experiences she wanted to have.
Speaker 1: So in her childhood there was a whole lot of segregation.
Speaker 1: She lived through that, and then now in death she's
Speaker 1: dying without her family, so separated again, and so this
Speaker 1: was a big part of her learning experience. So as
Speaker 1: we're standing in this forest, she tells me, we're going
Speaker 1: to climb this tree. Young Missus Wilma does and just
Speaker 1: by thinking about it, We're at the top of the
Speaker 1: t and I can see full three sixty even though
Speaker 1: I'm just staring straight ahead, and she tells me that
Speaker 1: this tree is a life. But if we look more closely.
Speaker 1: Every single root on this tree is a life. Every
Speaker 1: single root that branches off of another roof is its
Speaker 1: own little life. Every branch is its own life, every
Speaker 1: branch branching off that branch is its own life. Every
Speaker 1: single leaf is its own life. And yet it's all connected,
Speaker 1: and it's all in service to the greater whole of
Speaker 1: this tree. And then if we pull back even further,
Speaker 1: this tree is not just one life. It's part of
Speaker 1: this whole forest. And if we pull back even further,
Speaker 1: this forest is part of an entire ecosystem. And it
Speaker 1: was as though she had this final moment and a
Speaker 1: student to teach that we aren't separate, that we are
Speaker 1: all connected, even though we perceive ourselves to have all
Speaker 1: individual lives. And so in this last final moments of
Speaker 1: her life, she took the opportunity to teach from her
Speaker 1: experience of separation and segregation to teach this moment of
Speaker 1: unity and connection of all things. So that was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite experiences. And as she took her final breath,
Speaker 1: I'm holding her hand with my left hand in the hospital,
Speaker 1: and missus Wilma's holding my right hand, and it was
Speaker 1: just this glorious moment of just unity and it was
Speaker 1: so beautiful.
Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing that. Now, it's not the average
Speaker 3: person that might pick up on that. So I want
Speaker 3: to get into some of your beliefs about the afterlife.
Speaker 3: I know you've been trained as a medium, intuitive hypnosis, reikie,
Speaker 3: past life regressions, theology. There's a lot to you. So
Speaker 3: to everyone who's listening right now, you just didn't walk
Speaker 3: in and ooh all these things happened. You're open to it.
Speaker 3: Do you want to talk a little bit about your
Speaker 3: history and how you first started believing in a bigger picture,
Speaker 3: believing in the afterlife, believing in the soul. When I
Speaker 3: was very little, I would hear a voice. And I
Speaker 3: could be four or five, we're talking very.
Speaker 1: Very young, and the voice was very helpful, and it
Speaker 1: was always guiding me. I just assumed everyone heard this
Speaker 1: voice or had this voice. The voice was sometimes masculine,
Speaker 1: sometimes feminine, but it always came from the same place somehow.
Speaker 1: When I would get overwhelmed as a little girl, I
Speaker 1: would go sit in an empty bathtub, close the bathroom door,
Speaker 1: and I would just focus on the silence, and sometimes
Speaker 1: the voice would find me. In those moments of silence
Speaker 1: and sometimes not. My family was not religious, nobody practiced anything.
Speaker 1: They weren't spiritual.
Speaker 3: E there.
Speaker 1: What I know I was doing now was the form
Speaker 1: of meditation, but my family would not have known what
Speaker 1: that was even then. It was just something I was doing.
Speaker 1: When I would see spirit and I would share that
Speaker 1: with my family, it was dismissed. My dad used to say,
Speaker 1: I believe you believe that's what you saw. The experiences
Speaker 1: with spirit were so beautiful and so comforting and so transformative.
Speaker 1: I never questioned if they were real.
Speaker 3: We need to take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 3: right back with Gretchen Jones. You're listening to of the
Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a m
Speaker 3: paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain and we're here with Helen Gretchen Jones,
Speaker 3: a death doula, and she was just sharing about being
Speaker 3: a little child and hearing the most beautiful voices when
Speaker 3: her mind was quiet. Let's continue.
Speaker 1: The experiences with spirit were so beautiful and so comforting
Speaker 1: and so transformative. I never questioned if they were real,
Speaker 1: but it did make me question the wisdom of my parents,
Speaker 1: if I could trust their teachings, because it didn't make
Speaker 1: me think, oh, I must have imagined that, because I
Speaker 1: knew it was real, I thought, oh, are they not
Speaker 1: experience that? And then I started being more mindful over
Speaker 1: who I shared those experiences with. Once I went to
Speaker 1: college and graduated, went to grad school, got married, had kids,
Speaker 1: I really put this on the back burner. I focused
Speaker 1: on all the amazing things that this physical life had
Speaker 1: to offer, and I was going full force. I did
Speaker 1: not want to take time for any kind of spiritual stuff.
Speaker 1: But my team and spirit started coming around and started
Speaker 1: wanting me to focus on compassion. I think one of
Speaker 1: the things when we're really young children, teenager, and even
Speaker 1: into our early adulthood, were so self focused because we
Speaker 1: have to for survival. We have to learn what our
Speaker 1: family wants so that we can be accepted, and then
Speaker 1: we change who we are so we can fit into
Speaker 1: that family, and then we do that with our friends
Speaker 1: through middle school and high school, and then in college
Speaker 1: you're starting out and you're like, who am I as
Speaker 1: a young adult, so you're still so self focused, and
Speaker 1: my team and spirit decided it was time for me
Speaker 1: to move from that self focused attitude and move into
Speaker 1: a more compassionate way of viewing the world. And they
Speaker 1: would always remind me put yourself in their shoes, not
Speaker 1: how you would do something different, not to try to
Speaker 1: fix your circumstance, but just put yourself in their shoes.
Speaker 1: And that's it. Trying to help me understand what someone
Speaker 1: else was going through. And so, with the help of
Speaker 1: who I call a team, my team and spirit, I
Speaker 1: started allowing their teachings to change my perspectives around life.
Speaker 1: But I've always had a spiritual connection. I even studied
Speaker 1: in college art history and theology. I was looking for
Speaker 1: the answers like if my parents didn't have them, who
Speaker 1: would I had to be out there, And the more
Speaker 1: research I did, the more questions I had over and over.
Speaker 1: And I think that the most important thing that we
Speaker 1: can all do, where we can all start is by
Speaker 1: turning inward and trusting our own connection to our own
Speaker 1: higher self or spirit or God or universe energy, whatever
Speaker 1: word works for you, it's all the same, really, So
Speaker 1: if we're tuning into that, we can start to navigate
Speaker 1: our own challenges with a little more grace and peace
Speaker 1: by connecting to what we can trust absolutely.
Speaker 4: When did reiki and mediumship come into the picture. It
Speaker 4: all happened really so fast. I had this idea after
Speaker 4: I became a death dealer that I would help out
Speaker 4: with green funerals and green burials and things like that.
Speaker 4: And I thought I was going to something like that,
Speaker 4: like a conference, and I actually found myself at a conference.
Speaker 1: It was a bunch of mediums. They were there, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, where am I? I thought I was at
Speaker 1: this funeral thing. And then I started thinking, well, mediumship
Speaker 1: and then I hear people doing reiki. Right after that,
Speaker 1: I was taking that mediumship workshop in Louisiana where we
Speaker 1: first met, and it just unfolded all so quickly, and
Speaker 1: I just was so thirsty for as much knowledge as
Speaker 1: I could get. I started taking courses and everything because
Speaker 1: I wanted to know more. So I got certified and
Speaker 1: everything as quickly as I could.
Speaker 3: I'm ever so proud to have that first conversation in
Speaker 3: Louisiana to where you are today. I know you just
Speaker 3: put the book out, which is fantastic. Congratulations. It is
Speaker 3: a labor of love. It was tell us about it,
Speaker 3: what can we find? What is it about? And maybe
Speaker 3: some stories from your book.
Speaker 1: Sure. So a few years ago, I was laying in
Speaker 1: bed and I heard a voice outside. So normally I
Speaker 1: hear the voice of my team and spirit inside my head.
Speaker 1: This one came right in front of my face from
Speaker 1: outside my head, and it said, you're going to write
Speaker 1: a book. And I was like, write a book? Are
Speaker 1: you sure?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: I don't feel qualified. Surely, I didn't have anything worth
Speaker 1: saying that someone would want to read. That was sort
Speaker 1: of my idea, and they said it will take two
Speaker 1: and a half years to complete and write. What you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to write about, had no idea.
Speaker 1: What do I know? I know a little about a
Speaker 1: lot of things, but I didn't feel like an expert
Speaker 1: in any one field. And then it did occur to
Speaker 1: me that my favorite thing that was happening were the
Speaker 1: transformative bedside experiences of my patients. And I'd already journaled
Speaker 1: all the experiences I'm having, and so I referred to
Speaker 1: those journals and compiled them my favorite ones into this book.
Speaker 1: Every other chapter is one of my patient stories, and
Speaker 1: the preceding chapter is something that I've learned from Spirit
Speaker 1: and something that I've learned through the process of working
Speaker 1: with spirit and people who are dying, and then I
Speaker 1: would put a relatable story of one of my patients
Speaker 1: as they transitioned. So it's really a teaching book and
Speaker 1: then beautiful stories. I end every chapter with a channeled
Speaker 1: message from my team and spirit a team, so it's
Speaker 1: this kind of compilation of all the beautiful things happening.
Speaker 1: I can share one story that's a little out there,
Speaker 1: but it is one that happened fairly recently. It is
Speaker 1: one that I'm hoping will happen more times for me.
Speaker 1: I was out late, later than I normally am, and
Speaker 1: I see on my email that there's a request for
Speaker 1: a note of visit. I had a feeling that I
Speaker 1: should be there for this person, but it was already
Speaker 1: so late. It was after midnight. I was so tired.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go to bed. But I looked
Speaker 1: on the schedule to see what timeslots were available, and
Speaker 1: although I did see there was a six am shift
Speaker 1: and that was just a few hours away. But I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I'm supposed to be there, guys, I'm talking to
Speaker 1: my team in spirit. If I'm supposed to be there,
Speaker 1: you guys are going to have to wake me up.
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting in alarm, and it's going to have
Speaker 1: to be like at four point thirty for me to
Speaker 1: get ready in time and get down there. At four
Speaker 1: twenty eight, I wake up and I have the song
Speaker 1: playing in my head. It's called Colors by the Black Pumas.
Speaker 1: The song lyrics are talking about the meadows of green
Speaker 1: and the trees and the blue skies, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is going to be relevant somehow, and I look
Speaker 1: at the clock. I'm like, all right, guys, I'm signing up.
Speaker 1: I hop in the car, so I drive into the
Speaker 1: hospital and I turn on the radio. Colors by the
Speaker 1: Black Pumas is playing again, and I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a thing, okay, And I
Speaker 1: have a sudden realization that my patient will be male,
Speaker 1: he will be having issues around anxiety, and he would
Speaker 1: be black.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: At that time, I was having panic attacks. They came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. They were really, really scary if you
Speaker 1: haven't had them. And I was a little worried about
Speaker 1: that anxiety because sometimes I feel like if I watch
Speaker 1: it, it might trigger one. So I was like, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: see what's going to happen. I get there and mister Virgil,
Speaker 1: he is male, he is black, and he is having
Speaker 1: panic attacks over and over, ninety seconds of peace followed
Speaker 1: by like thirty seconds of panic. So it was hard
Speaker 1: to watch if you are unaware of the spiritual aspect
Speaker 1: happening bedside and you're just focused on the physical. So
Speaker 1: I sit down with him, I put my hands on him,
Speaker 1: trying to bring him peace, and when I realized that
Speaker 1: wasn't working, I decided to connect to him more on
Speaker 1: the spiritual level. And as I did, once again, the
Speaker 1: hospital room transformed into the most beautiful scene that you
Speaker 1: can imagine. It was a green meadow. There were all
Speaker 1: these big, bright flowers. They were bigger and brighter than
Speaker 1: any flower that I've ever seen on earth. And there
Speaker 1: was like a forest straight ahead and off to the
Speaker 1: right a little bit, and everything emanated light from within
Speaker 1: every blade of grass, every flower, every tree. It's like
Speaker 1: light came out of it. And everything had a sound.
Speaker 1: It was as though it had a humming or a
Speaker 1: tone of some sort. I really can't explain it, but
Speaker 1: it was musical. Didn't have a beat, but there was
Speaker 1: this music somehow out of every single thing, and it
Speaker 1: was just glorious, and I recognize that I'm standing in
Speaker 1: this field right next to mister Virgil. So again I
Speaker 1: have this awareness that I am sitting bedside mister Virgil
Speaker 1: in the hospital, holding his hand. And also mister Virgil
Speaker 1: and I are standing together in this magnificent field of
Speaker 1: light and color and sound, and I know that we
Speaker 1: have to walk through the forest as part of our journey.
Speaker 1: I can hear a party happening over there, and this
Speaker 1: is very, very common. There's always a welcome home party
Speaker 1: that's happening for our loved ones, and these can vary
Speaker 1: from small picnics in a park to something grand in
Speaker 1: some kind of ballroom. And it's always fun to see
Speaker 1: which kind of party my patient's going to be having,
Speaker 1: because it gives me a lot of insight to who
Speaker 1: they are or what they like that maybe I didn't
Speaker 1: realize in their physical life. So we start walking towards
Speaker 1: the forest, and all of a sudden, I feel mister
Speaker 1: Virgil have just a real rush of apprehension. Fear comes
Speaker 1: through him, and he didn't want to enter the forest.
Speaker 1: It's like he knew once he entered and went into
Speaker 1: that welcome home party, which I can see his mom
Speaker 1: at I don't know what seemed final for him. So
Speaker 1: just then a being of light comes out of the
Speaker 1: forest and she is blue and white light, and she
Speaker 1: is absolutely gorgeous and just peace rushes over you when
Speaker 1: you see her. And it was me. I was the
Speaker 1: being of light. I don't know how now I am
Speaker 1: in three places at once. This is the only time
Speaker 1: this has ever happened. But we are multi dimensional beings
Speaker 1: after all, and so I'm thinking that this is how
Speaker 1: this all relates. I am physically in the room with
Speaker 1: mister Virgil as his body is shutting down. I am
Speaker 1: observing all of this happening from the field of flowers
Speaker 1: with mister Virgil, and I'm also the me of light
Speaker 1: coming from the forest to aid him through his journey
Speaker 1: through the forest. So it was and continues to be
Speaker 1: the most astounding experience so far as he's having all
Speaker 1: this apprehension, I bring a gift out of I don't
Speaker 1: know nowhere. I resent him with a small gift, and
Speaker 1: it's a little box wrapped in a purple ribbon, and
Speaker 1: I explained to him that this is his gift of life,
Speaker 1: and that inside this little box is every experience he
Speaker 1: has ever had, as mister Virgil, and he's like, I
Speaker 1: don't think I can go in there to the forest
Speaker 1: because I have sinned and I have so many things
Speaker 1: that I'm regretful of and things I shouldn't have done. I,
Speaker 1: the me of Light, had this unconditional love for him,
Speaker 1: an unconditional love I have never felt before. I love unconditionally,
Speaker 1: but this was different. It didn't matter what he did,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter who he was, it didn't matter any
Speaker 1: of that. I loved him so much. It just was
Speaker 1: all in this box, like it was just experience and
Speaker 1: that was it. There was no judgment at all. I've
Speaker 1: projected somehow that he was safe and that he was loved,
Speaker 1: and nothing like that mattered. And he agreed to enter
Speaker 1: the forest, and so he goes with the Mea of Light.
Speaker 1: The other Mee stays in the field of flowers, and
Speaker 1: yet I'm watching, somehow observing them as they walk through
Speaker 1: the forest, and I'm also present as the Mea of Light,
Speaker 1: very much aware of walking with him through the forest.
Speaker 1: Suddenly again he has this wave of fear come over him,
Speaker 1: and I get really really big, the Mea of Light does,
Speaker 1: and I scoop him up like he's a baby, and
Speaker 1: I hold him and I rock him and I kiss
Speaker 1: the top of his head, and the entire forest I
Speaker 1: don't know fades away and it becomes a backdrop of stars,
Speaker 1: and it's like we're in space somehow, and I'm holding
Speaker 1: him until he felt ready again to go on the trip,
Speaker 1: and then I put him back down. We're back in
Speaker 1: the forest and we continue our journey. As we get
Speaker 1: to the edge of the forest, we can see the
Speaker 1: party and he decides he's not re ready to go
Speaker 1: in yet and wants to sit down. Oh one more
Speaker 1: thing I forgot to mention. He asks the Me of
Speaker 1: Light what's going to happen to my nephew and my uncle?
Speaker 1: And the Me of Light rejects to him potential possibilities
Speaker 1: and outcomes for both of these people. But when that happens,
Speaker 1: my awareness wouldn't let me see what was being projected
Speaker 1: as the Me of light. It shot back to the
Speaker 1: observer in the field.
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 3: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast am Pironormal Podcast Network. Welcome back
Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and you're
Speaker 3: listening to how Gretchen Jones talking about a patient she
Speaker 3: was with before he passed, mister Virgil comforting him in
Speaker 3: the share death experience of a forest.
Speaker 1: He sat on the log and he decided you needed
Speaker 1: a minute to take time before he went into the
Speaker 1: welcome party where his mom was waiting and other people.
Speaker 1: Just then a nurse comes in and I all of
Speaker 1: a sudden shoot back to my physical self, and she's
Speaker 1: chatting about the bachelorette party she's about to go to
Speaker 1: for the weekend and get in his vitals, and I
Speaker 1: just thought it was so funny. She's interrupting at homecoming
Speaker 1: party talking about the bachelorette party, and it was just
Speaker 1: so interesting and how everything was just all connected. She
Speaker 1: has no idea that she's left him about to transition
Speaker 1: right there on the edge of the forest, or that
Speaker 1: I was in three worlds at once, all at one time.
Speaker 1: It was time for me to leave on that shift,
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to stay. That the next volunteer
Speaker 1: had shown up, and so I allowed them to stay.
Speaker 1: And as I was leaving, that's when mister Virgil finally
Speaker 1: walked into the welcome home party. But it was one
Speaker 1: of the most profound experiences I've ever had. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to having more of those.
Speaker 3: Incredible. So you're saying that's when he passed just shortly after, Yes,
Speaker 3: probably at peace. Wow, So you experienced these And if
Speaker 3: I was a skeptic, I would say those all sound
Speaker 3: great that you experience them, But have you received any
Speaker 3: verified information. I don't not believe you, because I do.
Speaker 3: I think we are multi dimensional beings. I've heard just
Speaker 3: some incredible stories and when we slow down, when we
Speaker 3: study psychic and mediumship and explore what's possible, I know
Speaker 3: your real gift to people as a death duela. But
Speaker 3: if there was somebody skeptical saying, well, these are your experiences,
Speaker 3: how do we know.
Speaker 1: So for a lot of people, unless they're having a
Speaker 1: near death experience where they can come back and verify,
Speaker 1: if they're all the way transitioning, then it's very difficult
Speaker 1: to prove. But I can say that these people have
Speaker 1: similar experiences even with people not who are dying, but
Speaker 1: who have Alzheimer's dementia or a condition at birth that
Speaker 1: kept them from being nonverbal. So even if they're not transitioning,
Speaker 1: yet they step out of their bodies very very frequently.
Speaker 1: And I have been able to work with families through
Speaker 1: some of these situations, and when I explain something like, hey,
Speaker 1: they're telling me this, or hey, they're telling me that
Speaker 1: through Alzheimer's or dementia, or even one case which I
Speaker 1: haven't written about, will call him Eric. Eric is a
Speaker 1: male in his twenties. He's quadriplegic, and at two years
Speaker 1: old he developed a condition that made him nonverbal. His
Speaker 1: mother hired me because they were told that he was
Speaker 1: probably going to be transitioning soon. So I was coming
Speaker 1: in to sort of be a death duela for the
Speaker 1: family and for him. And I would like to say
Speaker 1: he's still going, he's still here as of now, but
Speaker 1: because he's nonverbal, there's been some situations with the family
Speaker 1: where family has different ideas of how they want to
Speaker 1: proceed with him. And so he was able to very
Speaker 1: clearly tell me certain things that were uncomfortable, that were
Speaker 1: causing pain. I relayed this information to the family because
Speaker 1: he's standing outside his body, He's right there, and I
Speaker 1: tell this to the family and they're like, no, no,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense, No, that doesn't make sense, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, Okay. Well, she calls me a few
Speaker 1: days later, she goes, well, we went ahead and took
Speaker 1: him into the doctor just in case, and you're right,
Speaker 1: he had this going on with his body on that side.
Speaker 1: He had this going on with that body. And I'm
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, because he's saying it, he's standing outside
Speaker 1: his body. He's right there. So without giving away his help,
Speaker 1: I haven't thought how to word some of this because
Speaker 1: of the privacy of the family and the fact that
Speaker 1: they're still around. But the fact that they had no
Speaker 1: idea this was going on within their son's body or
Speaker 1: their brother's body, and then it was validated a few
Speaker 1: days later when they decided just to go check it
Speaker 1: out at the hospital was very validating to the fact
Speaker 1: that he was communicating very clearly and very fac actively.
Speaker 1: He had some other things that he wanted to negotiate
Speaker 1: with the families on how relationships were unfolding with them
Speaker 1: and how his purpose has been in one way or
Speaker 1: another to unify the family, and he feels like it's
Speaker 1: difficult for him to move on with everyone fighting over
Speaker 1: how he should be moving on. So a lot of
Speaker 1: that got resolved after they had it validated, and so
Speaker 1: that was very helpful and healing. So even people who
Speaker 1: aren't dying who later can have the evidence validated is
Speaker 1: really really helpful. When I'm helping someone transition, I'm really
Speaker 1: focused on how to make that transition more peaceful and
Speaker 1: embracing all of the spiritual and physical experiences that go
Speaker 1: along with that. So for me, it's very very real.
Speaker 1: And I have dealt with many families who don't maybe
Speaker 1: believe in this type of situation, and so it's not
Speaker 1: my job to convert them. Why would I ever want
Speaker 1: to know, But it is my job to bring peace,
Speaker 1: and so we can navigate or maybe shift how we
Speaker 1: were things so that it brings peace to the family
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, it's so difficult. There could
Speaker 3: be so much family baggage. And you and I both
Speaker 3: have done our share of psychic and medium work, and
Speaker 3: the stuff that we think is our imagination. When it
Speaker 3: gets confirmed and it's not, you just think, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: you know, how can this be? And so to be
Speaker 3: that and be that for the dying person, whether or
Speaker 3: not someone believes, And it isn't your job to try
Speaker 3: to convince someone. Can you talk about the welcoming as
Speaker 3: a dying person, what might tend to happen, whether we
Speaker 3: believe or not believe.
Speaker 1: Sure, in every case that I've experienced so far, there
Speaker 1: has been a welcome party of sorts, and there's music,
Speaker 1: there's decorations, there's loved ones, even people maybe that we
Speaker 1: loved that we didn't have in this physical life. We
Speaker 1: know them from another time in space. So there's all
Speaker 1: sorts of people congregating to welcome you home. You're the
Speaker 1: guest of honor. The amount of excitement that I feel
Speaker 1: is more excitement than I have felt at any surprise
Speaker 1: party or at any gathering. It is overwhelming. It's so joyous.
Speaker 1: My grandmother when she transitioned, she was giving her team
Speaker 1: in spirit where she was talking to her loved ones
Speaker 1: who went before her. She was telling them exactly what
Speaker 1: she wanted. She was always in control. She planned events
Speaker 1: and parties for our families. So she was very much
Speaker 1: into event planning, and so she was telling them exactly
Speaker 1: what she wanted before she died. She's like, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: when I get over there, I'm going to want to
Speaker 1: be on a golf course. So when I go over there,
Speaker 1: so she wanted it to be at the country club.
Speaker 1: She wanted it to be casual, she wanted everybody there.
Speaker 1: She was talking about every way she can plan it.
Speaker 1: So she was planning her own homecoming party. My other
Speaker 1: grandmother was completely different. She had a little bit of
Speaker 1: fear around dying. And her welcome home party was something
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen. But my grandfather was sitting outside of
Speaker 1: a dela livery room in a hospital and she was
Speaker 1: going to be delivered into the other world. And back then,
Speaker 1: men weren't allowed in the delivery room, so he was
Speaker 1: waiting outside the door. So that's how it was. He
Speaker 1: was waiting for her to be delivered into this world.
Speaker 1: And down the hallway, just a couple of doors down
Speaker 1: was this all white, bright room that was so bright
Speaker 1: it was just light and all of these people. I
Speaker 1: saw him open the door and tell everybody it's time.
Speaker 1: And when he did that, I could see some of
Speaker 1: her children, I could see some of her siblings. I
Speaker 1: saw people that I didn't even recognize, and they were
Speaker 1: all just anticipating just the best time with her. And
Speaker 1: it was as though it was in a delivery room.
Speaker 1: So what an unusual party, But it was something that
Speaker 1: sort of suited that grandmother. It was like being rebirthed
Speaker 1: into something, and so that worked for her, whereas my
Speaker 1: other grandmother throwing parties for all her life and very controlling.
Speaker 1: She was telling people what she wanted. When she transitioned
Speaker 1: and she got it, she was there, she was wearing
Speaker 1: a visor, just like she would play on the golf course.
Speaker 1: So these welcome parties, it's a way to have someone
Speaker 1: feel loved. It's a way to have someone feel that
Speaker 1: they're not alone and that this world is not so
Speaker 1: different than where we're coming from, but it's filled with
Speaker 1: so much more. I don't know. Just beauty and grace
Speaker 1: and understanding and freedom is what it feels like. Expansiveness
Speaker 1: We as human beings, we'll never get our heads around
Speaker 1: how glorious. The next stage is our returning home. I'll
Speaker 1: put it that way. I think we're here just for
Speaker 1: a short time and we go back and like we
Speaker 1: welcome a.
Speaker 3: Baby to this world. I mean, it's a grand celebration
Speaker 3: and then a death. Although many cultures do celebrate death
Speaker 3: our Central and South American countries and others here, I
Speaker 3: know it's fear and I don't want to go and
Speaker 3: to have loved ones show up. And I've heard many,
Speaker 3: many stories of people who verbalized who they see and
Speaker 3: how they see them, and so often they might not
Speaker 3: even know somebody's deceased, and there they are, and that
Speaker 3: feeling of just like I'm going home, you know. So
Speaker 3: I get it, that rebirth, that big celebration that we're
Speaker 3: back together again. And I remember my grandmother before she
Speaker 3: passed one week short of her ninety first birthday, and
Speaker 3: everybody in her life had died, all of her friends
Speaker 3: and husband and almost all brothers and sisters. So she
Speaker 3: wasn't afraid. And she says, when God calls me forth,
Speaker 3: I can't come fifth. That was her line.
Speaker 1: But just getting that reunion.
Speaker 3: And I've lived a good life and now I'm ready
Speaker 3: to go home. I'm ready to see everybody again. And
Speaker 3: I have full one hundred percent confidence that that's how
Speaker 3: goes and there and then we get to like, go,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, that life will make this life here
Speaker 3: seem like just a dream.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, And when I'm in the other space
Speaker 1: in between walking with people to their parties, for example,
Speaker 1: it feels so much more real than when I come
Speaker 1: back to this reality. This reality feels confined or restricted
Speaker 1: somehow than when I'm there, and I know that I'm
Speaker 1: not even experiencing all of it, just a little snippet,
Speaker 1: but it's so much bigger and brighter, and the light
Speaker 1: and the sound everything is just somehow more amazing and
Speaker 1: more intense than it is here here. I feel not trapped,
Speaker 1: that's not a good word. I want to be here,
Speaker 1: but limited a little bit. And we aren't limited. We
Speaker 1: are limitless, and we are perceived limited I think by
Speaker 1: our brains that kind of shut out some of our
Speaker 1: otherworldly experiences that are happening right here with us right now.
Speaker 3: If you're having these experiences, tells me other people can
Speaker 3: have these experiences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how can we begin now?
Speaker 3: I know not everybody wants to be a death doula,
Speaker 3: or maybe this will open the door for some volunteers
Speaker 3: with NODA no one dies alone. Wouldn't that be great
Speaker 3: coming out of this great episode? But how do we start?
Speaker 3: Is it meditation? Is it being present? Is it a prayer?
Speaker 3: What advice would you give all of that?
Speaker 1: So meditation often comes with a little bit of apprehension
Speaker 1: for some people who just absolutely say I cannot meditate,
Speaker 1: and so I sometimes say, well, then, don't call it meditation, right,
Speaker 1: call it sitting in silence or closing your eyes is
Speaker 1: really helpful to remove some of those distractions in your
Speaker 1: physical reality.
Speaker 3: I would say start now. I'm going to pause right now,
Speaker 3: because in the next segment Gretchen will go on in
Speaker 3: even more detail about how we can each slow down
Speaker 3: connect with our imagination, which, as it proves, may not
Speaker 3: be our imagination to our loved ones in the shared
Speaker 3: death experience. So we'll be right back. You're listening to
Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Speaker 3: Coast and Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of
Speaker 3: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're here with Helen
Speaker 3: Gretchen Jones. As she's just beginning to explain how we
Speaker 3: can each tap in to the other side and possibly
Speaker 3: have a shared experience.
Speaker 1: Sitting in silence or closing your eyes is really helpful
Speaker 1: to remove some of those distractions in your physical reality.
Speaker 1: I would say start now, Start now. Don't wait until
Speaker 1: someone's dying. But if you are already in a position
Speaker 1: where someone has been diagnosed with the terminal illness, again,
Speaker 1: start now and take time every day and just sit
Speaker 1: for a few minutes. It doesn't have to be some
Speaker 1: overthought process. Just sit quietly for a few minutes, say,
Speaker 1: set an intention, whatever feels right for you, talk to God, universe, angels,
Speaker 1: whatever again feels right for you, and you just say, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I would like to have a shared death experience. Now
Speaker 1: I'm going to sit quietly and if you can help
Speaker 1: me practice receiving information so that when the time comes,
Speaker 1: I can have one and then write it down. I
Speaker 1: cannot stress that enough write it down, because you will forget.
Speaker 1: And if you go back and you were to do this,
Speaker 1: even for ten days straight, and you go back and
Speaker 1: look at day one and then you look at day ten,
Speaker 1: you're going to be like, I think I'm discerning these
Speaker 1: messages a little more now than I was when I
Speaker 1: first started, even just in a short time like that,
Speaker 1: because at first you start to think, am I making
Speaker 1: this up? Everything feels made up? And you know what
Speaker 1: I say to that, I say, make it up because
Speaker 1: this world is co created and we are all co
Speaker 1: creating it together, and your imagination is part of creation.
Speaker 1: It's part of how we create things. So if you're
Speaker 1: feeling like you just want to explore what your imagination
Speaker 1: can do visually. That's an excellent way to open the
Speaker 1: door to spirit leading you to impressions. Absolutely feel like
Speaker 1: you're making it up. Go for it, and this is
Speaker 1: a good way to start. And then when you allow
Speaker 1: yourself to move past that a little bit, you'll start
Speaker 1: to have discernment over what is actually coming in as
Speaker 1: an impression from spirit and what you're creating. A good
Speaker 1: way to tell is if you're creating it, you take
Speaker 1: time in your head to kind of think about what
Speaker 1: you want to create. I want to see a blue sky,
Speaker 1: I want to see a waterfall. Now, if it's being
Speaker 1: given to you, all of a sudden, you just see
Speaker 1: blue sky, waterfall, green meadow. It all comes in super
Speaker 1: fast like a download, bam. The more you practice, the
Speaker 1: more you start to recognize what's made up and what's not.
Speaker 1: And even someone who's been doing this a long time,
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for several years now. And just
Speaker 1: like when Eric's family told me, no, that's not right,
Speaker 1: I left feeling a little defeated, like how did I
Speaker 1: mess this up? I really missed the mark here, and
Speaker 1: I felt like I had failed the family, And so
Speaker 1: I was really grateful when they called back a few
Speaker 1: days later to validate those things coming through. So even
Speaker 1: people who are doing it all the time feel like,
Speaker 1: am I making this up? Did I interpret that message correctly?
Speaker 1: That's part of it. That's okay. Allow yourself to experience,
Speaker 1: and as you practice that, when the opportunity comes for
Speaker 1: a shared death experience, you're already open to spirit. You've
Speaker 1: already learned what it feels like to allow the outside
Speaker 1: distractions to fall away, and you can be open to
Speaker 1: what comes through. So I would say practice solitude and
Speaker 1: writing it down good words.
Speaker 3: I was on an interview earlier this morning. Somebody was
Speaker 3: interviewing me and I talked about my first medium experience
Speaker 3: and I was one hundred percent accurate with names, places, everything. Wow,
Speaker 3: my very first experience. Though I was told that I
Speaker 3: wasn't doing a medium rating and I was pretending just
Speaker 3: to get the hang of it. So the words were
Speaker 3: invent that there's someone standing behind her partner, Invent what
Speaker 3: they look like, invent what details about their life, and
Speaker 3: invent that there's a message that they want to share.
Speaker 3: I just invented a man standing behind my partner who
Speaker 3: was a grandfather on her mom's side. His name was Jan.
Speaker 3: He was a fisherman in Denmark. Died of lung cancer,
Speaker 3: a big gap between his front teeth. Never told her mom,
Speaker 3: his daughter that he loved her and wanted her to
Speaker 3: pass on that information. And I opened my eyes having
Speaker 3: invented that, and she was crying. Her grandfather's name was Jan,
Speaker 3: fisherman in Denmark, gap between his teeth, died of lung cancer,
Speaker 3: and she always knew that. Her mom was never as
Speaker 3: told I love you, He didn't hug and all that.
Speaker 3: So that imagination is the most powerful force. Even Einstein
Speaker 3: has some great quote about imagination is the most important
Speaker 3: tool we have. So anyone right now, get rid of
Speaker 3: the words, oh, it's just my.
Speaker 5: Imagination, because your imagination can be magic, it can be
Speaker 5: Let that go. Yeah, do you have any tools in
Speaker 5: your new book about helping people?
Speaker 3: It's not just filled with stories, right right? What's in
Speaker 3: there that can impact somebody who's reading it their life
Speaker 3: right now, whether they're dying or not.
Speaker 1: So one of my favorite things that I like to
Speaker 1: tell people is what it feels like, at least for
Speaker 1: me oftentimes, to connect with spirit. If I were to
Speaker 1: have you close your eyes right now and imagine the
Speaker 1: beach and feel the sand beneath your toes and the water,
Speaker 1: hear it crash up on the shore, maybe hear the
Speaker 1: cry of the seagull, and feel the breeze, you know,
Speaker 1: coming over your skin or through your hair. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you're also aware that you're sitting right
Speaker 1: where you are. So that's what it feels like to
Speaker 1: be in two worlds at once. Sometimes it could feel
Speaker 1: so subtle, like that I am at the beach and
Speaker 1: yet I'm in this chair, and that is easy for
Speaker 1: us to dismiss. Sometimes it can feel like a memory
Speaker 1: or a thought or something that's right on the tip
Speaker 1: of our tongue, but we're not quite there. That's what
Speaker 1: sometimes connecting to spirit feels like. Whenever we do it enough, though,
Speaker 1: and we become familiar, those images of the beach become
Speaker 1: more vibrant, and they become more real than us sitting
Speaker 1: in our chair. That takes practice, but when it first
Speaker 1: is happening, it feels like a memory or just a
Speaker 1: thought that you're creating. But thoughts have power. So I
Speaker 1: would say to not dismiss the experiences and to recognize
Speaker 1: wherever you want to be imagine that you're there, and
Speaker 1: that is the start of being in two worlds at once.
Speaker 1: And it can feel really subtle like that, and to
Speaker 1: not dismiss it. That's one of my biggest, I think
Speaker 1: beginner teaching things.
Speaker 3: And that's in the book Healing Whispers from Spirit Guides,
Speaker 3: Bringing the Gap between Life and the after Life with
Speaker 3: a Deaf Doula's Wisdom. Can we talk about our teams?
Speaker 3: Do we all have a team? Do we all have
Speaker 3: a spirit team? Are there people up in me on
Speaker 3: my mission right now?
Speaker 1: Yes, of course we all have a team. I call
Speaker 1: my team a team. I called them eighteen. That was
Speaker 1: the name that came to me, and then my husband
Speaker 1: reminded me of a crime fighting group from the eighties.
Speaker 1: I think with mister T. They were called the eighteen.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit before my tie, but not too much.
Speaker 1: I remember mister T. He's you know, I pity the fool,
Speaker 1: you know. So then I thought, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: have chosen a lame name, like I don't want this
Speaker 1: to be my team's name. And so I said, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: I want to change your name. I want it to
Speaker 1: be something that means oneness or unity, and I want
Speaker 1: it to be something singular, and I want it to
Speaker 1: more represent a collective. And so I was like, balls
Speaker 1: in your court, here we go. And I left right
Speaker 1: after that to take my cat to the vet. And
Speaker 1: as I'm pulling into the vet, all the parking places
Speaker 1: are being blocked by a delivery of a temporary dumpster
Speaker 1: and it's a green dumpster, and in big white letters
Speaker 1: it said a team on the side of the dumpster.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, you guys, I guess we're
Speaker 1: sticking with a team. And it was in that moment
Speaker 1: that I realized that A is singular and it does
Speaker 1: mean one in the English language, and that it implies
Speaker 1: we are a team. We're a team together and they
Speaker 1: need me as much as I need them, and so
Speaker 1: a team stuck. So I'm not trying to rip it
Speaker 1: off of the crime fighting heroes from the eighties, but
Speaker 1: that's my team and spirit, and my team in spirit
Speaker 1: tells me that we all have a team in spirit,
Speaker 1: we all have helpers and guides, and they may not
Speaker 1: all just be ancestors. A lot of people think that
Speaker 1: their team and spirit is people that they've lost their grandmother,
Speaker 1: their dad, Things like that, and it can be it
Speaker 1: can be your ancestors. But in my experience, when I
Speaker 1: tune into other people's teams and spirit, there's alternate beings.
Speaker 1: There's angelics or what I perceive to be angelics. There's
Speaker 1: masters or what we perceive to have masters on our team.
Speaker 1: I think that spirit takes forms based on what we
Speaker 1: need so that we can more easily connect. Because for me,
Speaker 1: knowing a name for my team and spirit, being able
Speaker 1: to call certain voices that I hear a specific name
Speaker 1: really helps my human self to be able to call
Speaker 1: upon a certain spirit to connect to. So a team
Speaker 1: has several members and I will talk to them individually.
Speaker 1: And when I meet other people who have their teams,
Speaker 1: I have found that they feel it's easier to connect
Speaker 1: once they assigned them a name or a physical appearance
Speaker 1: in their mind. So, yes, we all have a team
Speaker 1: and spirit. And if you're wanting to connect to yours,
Speaker 1: there are so many amazing meditations out there that allow
Speaker 1: you to practice connecting to your team and spirit. And
Speaker 1: don't be dismissive if you barely imagine that beach but
Speaker 1: it's a person, go for it and just say, all right,
Speaker 1: that's one of my guides.
Speaker 3: Great. Thank you. When you talked about the beach, yes,
Speaker 3: I had my eyes closed. I was there. I could
Speaker 3: feel the sand between my toes. But it reminded me
Speaker 3: of some loved ones I have that are in the
Speaker 3: spirit world. I could be say, editing a podcast, asked,
Speaker 3: or paying the bills or something, and suddenly I get
Speaker 3: this memory and the feeling of things that we've done together.
Speaker 3: Don't discount those anyone. Those are little calling cards from
Speaker 3: our loved ones. I think working the same way, right, that's.
Speaker 1: So well said, little calling cards from our loved ones.
Speaker 1: I love that, and they are working the same way,
Speaker 1: and that's how you receive information. So are you very visual?
Speaker 1: Are you visual?
Speaker 3: Per science? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how they're working with you.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Well, our time is just about
Speaker 3: up for today. What closing words do you want to
Speaker 3: share with our listener today? Maybe a little gemstone they
Speaker 3: can use in their life right now today or whatever
Speaker 3: you want to share.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's so much. I suppose I would say that
Speaker 1: the power of your entire life is right now. Everything
Speaker 1: is in this present moment. Everything, every choice that you've
Speaker 1: ever made leading up to this moment, you can let
Speaker 1: that go. Everything about your future, you can let that go.
Speaker 1: What do you want to do right now? How do
Speaker 1: you want to live right now? If there are things
Speaker 1: that you haven't said to your loved ones, if there
Speaker 1: are avenues to open up conversation with loved ones, it's
Speaker 1: time to take steps to do that. We are not
Speaker 1: guaranteed tomorrow. Death comes for the healthy and the sick,
Speaker 1: the old and the young, and none of us are
Speaker 1: guaranteed tomorrow. So if you can go to bed tonight
Speaker 1: thinking it would be okay, then you're living your life
Speaker 1: just right where you should be.
Speaker 3: Thank you to our wonderful guest, and if you'd like
Speaker 3: to see her, you can simply visit her website, Helen
Speaker 3: Gretchen Jones dot com. Our loved ones are only a thought,
Speaker 3: a breath, a heartbeat away, and I know we all
Speaker 3: want big signs that they're around. But again, don't say
Speaker 3: it's just my imagination. Pay attention to where those thoughts
Speaker 3: and images and memories and shared time times together seem
Speaker 3: to come out of the blue and into your mind.
Speaker 3: That's them saying I'm right here with you. Don't forget.
Speaker 3: Come visit me at Weedn'tdie dot com. Join a free
Speaker 3: Sunday gathering with medium demonstration. And we have a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of new events and classes planned on our store page.
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to
Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Speaker 3: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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