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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with the Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do

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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi,

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll decid us the reasons we now

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Speaker 3: know that our loved ones have survived physical death and

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Speaker 3: so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. We

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Speaker 3: were first introduced to the topic of shared deaf experiences

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Speaker 3: back on episode twenty three, talking to William Peters, who

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Speaker 3: runs the Shared Crossing Project. You may also remember talking

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Speaker 3: to doctor Raymond Moody and co author Paul Perry about

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Speaker 3: their latest book on shared deaf experiences back on episode

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Speaker 3: one fifty one. Today we'll continue our look at shared

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Speaker 3: death experiences as we meet Helen Gretchen Jones. By day,

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Speaker 3: she and her husband run a photography, film and lighting

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Speaker 3: company in Austin, Texas. She's also a mom and a

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Speaker 3: of those passing with an organization called NODA, which stands

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Speaker 3: for No One Dies Alone. As a child, Gretchen had

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Speaker 3: a special relationship with wise voices who would talk to her,

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Speaker 3: and attributes that to spending much time alone and what

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Speaker 3: we now call a meditative state. I ask that while

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Speaker 3: you listen today, you engage your own imagination as she

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Speaker 3: tells you some of her stories. Gretchen has recently written

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Speaker 3: a book called Healing Whispers from Spirit Guides, bridging the

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Speaker 3: gap between life and the afterlife with a death Dula's Wisdom.

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Speaker 3: I first met Gretchen six or seven years ago at

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Speaker 1: I am in Central Texas and I am married with

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Speaker 1: which is a little outside of social norms. A death

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where the death doula can come

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Speaker 3: How did you first get involved in that, because it's

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Speaker 1: Well, I've always had a connection with spirit my whole life,

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Speaker 1: after all, and so I'm thinking that this is how

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Speaker 1: this all relates. I am physically in the room with

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Speaker 1: mister Virgil as his body is shutting down. I am

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Speaker 1: observing all of this happening from the field of flowers

437
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Speaker 1: with mister Virgil, and I'm also the me of light

438
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Speaker 1: coming from the forest to aid him through his journey

439
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: through the forest. So it was and continues to be

440
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Speaker 1: the most astounding experience so far as he's having all

441
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: this apprehension, I bring a gift out of I don't

442
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: know nowhere. I resent him with a small gift, and

443
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: it's a little box wrapped in a purple ribbon, and

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Speaker 1: I explained to him that this is his gift of life,

445
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Speaker 1: and that inside this little box is every experience he

446
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: has ever had, as mister Virgil, and he's like, I

447
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: don't think I can go in there to the forest

448
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Speaker 1: because I have sinned and I have so many things

449
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Speaker 1: that I'm regretful of and things I shouldn't have done. I,

450
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Speaker 1: the me of Light, had this unconditional love for him,

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Speaker 1: an unconditional love I have never felt before. I love unconditionally,

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Speaker 1: but this was different. It didn't matter what he did,

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Speaker 1: it didn't matter who he was, it didn't matter any

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Speaker 1: of that. I loved him so much. It just was

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Speaker 1: all in this box, like it was just experience and

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Speaker 1: that was it. There was no judgment at all. I've

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Speaker 1: projected somehow that he was safe and that he was loved,

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Speaker 1: and nothing like that mattered. And he agreed to enter

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Speaker 1: the forest, and so he goes with the Mea of Light.

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Speaker 1: The other Mee stays in the field of flowers, and

461
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Speaker 1: yet I'm watching, somehow observing them as they walk through

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Speaker 1: the forest, and I'm also present as the Mea of Light,

463
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Speaker 1: very much aware of walking with him through the forest.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly again he has this wave of fear come over him,

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Speaker 1: and I get really really big, the Mea of Light does,

466
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Speaker 1: and I scoop him up like he's a baby, and

467
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Speaker 1: I hold him and I rock him and I kiss

468
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Speaker 1: the top of his head, and the entire forest I

469
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Speaker 1: don't know fades away and it becomes a backdrop of stars,

470
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Speaker 1: and it's like we're in space somehow, and I'm holding

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Speaker 1: him until he felt ready again to go on the trip,

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Speaker 1: and then I put him back down. We're back in

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Speaker 1: the forest and we continue our journey. As we get

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Speaker 1: to the edge of the forest, we can see the

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Speaker 1: party and he decides he's not re ready to go

476
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: in yet and wants to sit down. Oh one more

477
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Speaker 1: thing I forgot to mention. He asks the Me of

478
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: Light what's going to happen to my nephew and my uncle?

479
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Speaker 1: And the Me of Light rejects to him potential possibilities

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Speaker 1: and outcomes for both of these people. But when that happens,

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Speaker 1: my awareness wouldn't let me see what was being projected

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Speaker 1: as the Me of light. It shot back to the

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Speaker 1: observer in the field.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast am Pironormal Podcast Network. Welcome back

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Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and you're

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Speaker 3: listening to how Gretchen Jones talking about a patient she

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Speaker 3: was with before he passed, mister Virgil comforting him in

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Speaker 3: the share death experience of a forest.

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Speaker 1: He sat on the log and he decided you needed

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Speaker 1: a minute to take time before he went into the

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Speaker 1: welcome party where his mom was waiting and other people.

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Speaker 1: Just then a nurse comes in and I all of

495
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: a sudden shoot back to my physical self, and she's

496
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Speaker 1: chatting about the bachelorette party she's about to go to

497
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: for the weekend and get in his vitals, and I

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Speaker 1: just thought it was so funny. She's interrupting at homecoming

499
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: party talking about the bachelorette party, and it was just

500
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: so interesting and how everything was just all connected. She

501
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: has no idea that she's left him about to transition

502
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: right there on the edge of the forest, or that

503
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Speaker 1: I was in three worlds at once, all at one time.

504
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: It was time for me to leave on that shift,

505
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to stay. That the next volunteer

506
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: had shown up, and so I allowed them to stay.

507
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: And as I was leaving, that's when mister Virgil finally

508
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: walked into the welcome home party. But it was one

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00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: of the most profound experiences I've ever had. I'm looking

510
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Speaker 1: forward to having more of those.

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Speaker 3: Incredible. So you're saying that's when he passed just shortly after, Yes,

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00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 3: probably at peace. Wow, So you experienced these And if

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00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: I was a skeptic, I would say those all sound

514
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: great that you experience them, But have you received any

515
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: verified information. I don't not believe you, because I do.

516
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: I think we are multi dimensional beings. I've heard just

517
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 3: some incredible stories and when we slow down, when we

518
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: study psychic and mediumship and explore what's possible, I know

519
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 3: your real gift to people as a death duela. But

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00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: if there was somebody skeptical saying, well, these are your experiences,

521
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 3: how do we know.

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Speaker 1: So for a lot of people, unless they're having a

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Speaker 1: near death experience where they can come back and verify,

524
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: if they're all the way transitioning, then it's very difficult

525
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: to prove. But I can say that these people have

526
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: similar experiences even with people not who are dying, but

527
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: who have Alzheimer's dementia or a condition at birth that

528
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: kept them from being nonverbal. So even if they're not transitioning,

529
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Speaker 1: yet they step out of their bodies very very frequently.

530
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Speaker 1: And I have been able to work with families through

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Speaker 1: some of these situations, and when I explain something like, hey,

532
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: they're telling me this, or hey, they're telling me that

533
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: through Alzheimer's or dementia, or even one case which I

534
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: haven't written about, will call him Eric. Eric is a

535
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: male in his twenties. He's quadriplegic, and at two years

536
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: old he developed a condition that made him nonverbal. His

537
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: mother hired me because they were told that he was

538
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Speaker 1: probably going to be transitioning soon. So I was coming

539
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Speaker 1: in to sort of be a death duela for the

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Speaker 1: family and for him. And I would like to say

541
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Speaker 1: he's still going, he's still here as of now, but

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Speaker 1: because he's nonverbal, there's been some situations with the family

543
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: where family has different ideas of how they want to

544
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: proceed with him. And so he was able to very

545
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: clearly tell me certain things that were uncomfortable, that were

546
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Speaker 1: causing pain. I relayed this information to the family because

547
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: he's standing outside his body, He's right there, and I

548
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: tell this to the family and they're like, no, no,

549
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense, No, that doesn't make sense, and

550
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm just like, Okay. Well, she calls me a few

551
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 1: days later, she goes, well, we went ahead and took

552
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: him into the doctor just in case, and you're right,

553
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: he had this going on with his body on that side.

554
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: He had this going on with that body. And I'm

555
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, because he's saying it, he's standing outside

556
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: his body. He's right there. So without giving away his help,

557
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: I haven't thought how to word some of this because

558
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: of the privacy of the family and the fact that

559
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: they're still around. But the fact that they had no

560
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: idea this was going on within their son's body or

561
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: their brother's body, and then it was validated a few

562
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: days later when they decided just to go check it

563
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: out at the hospital was very validating to the fact

564
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Speaker 1: that he was communicating very clearly and very fac actively.

565
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Speaker 1: He had some other things that he wanted to negotiate

566
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Speaker 1: with the families on how relationships were unfolding with them

567
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: and how his purpose has been in one way or

568
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: another to unify the family, and he feels like it's

569
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: difficult for him to move on with everyone fighting over

570
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: how he should be moving on. So a lot of

571
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: that got resolved after they had it validated, and so

572
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: that was very helpful and healing. So even people who

573
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: aren't dying who later can have the evidence validated is

574
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: really really helpful. When I'm helping someone transition, I'm really

575
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: focused on how to make that transition more peaceful and

576
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: embracing all of the spiritual and physical experiences that go

577
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: along with that. So for me, it's very very real.

578
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: And I have dealt with many families who don't maybe

579
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: believe in this type of situation, and so it's not

580
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: my job to convert them. Why would I ever want

581
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: to know, But it is my job to bring peace,

582
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: and so we can navigate or maybe shift how we

583
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 1: were things so that it brings peace to the family

584
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, it's so difficult. There could

586
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: be so much family baggage. And you and I both

587
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: have done our share of psychic and medium work, and

588
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: the stuff that we think is our imagination. When it

589
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: gets confirmed and it's not, you just think, oh my gosh,

590
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: you know, how can this be? And so to be

591
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: that and be that for the dying person, whether or

592
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: not someone believes, And it isn't your job to try

593
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: to convince someone. Can you talk about the welcoming as

594
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: a dying person, what might tend to happen, whether we

595
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: believe or not believe.

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Speaker 1: Sure, in every case that I've experienced so far, there

597
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: has been a welcome party of sorts, and there's music,

598
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: there's decorations, there's loved ones, even people maybe that we

599
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: loved that we didn't have in this physical life. We

600
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: know them from another time in space. So there's all

601
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Speaker 1: sorts of people congregating to welcome you home. You're the

602
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: guest of honor. The amount of excitement that I feel

603
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: is more excitement than I have felt at any surprise

604
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: party or at any gathering. It is overwhelming. It's so joyous.

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00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: My grandmother when she transitioned, she was giving her team

606
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: in spirit where she was talking to her loved ones

607
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: who went before her. She was telling them exactly what

608
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: she wanted. She was always in control. She planned events

609
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: and parties for our families. So she was very much

610
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: into event planning, and so she was telling them exactly

611
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: what she wanted before she died. She's like, all right, guys,

612
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Speaker 1: when I get over there, I'm going to want to

613
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: be on a golf course. So when I go over there,

614
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: so she wanted it to be at the country club.

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00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: She wanted it to be casual, she wanted everybody there.

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00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: She was talking about every way she can plan it.

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00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: So she was planning her own homecoming party. My other

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00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: grandmother was completely different. She had a little bit of

619
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: fear around dying. And her welcome home party was something

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00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen. But my grandfather was sitting outside of

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Speaker 1: a dela livery room in a hospital and she was

622
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: going to be delivered into the other world. And back then,

623
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: men weren't allowed in the delivery room, so he was

624
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 1: waiting outside the door. So that's how it was. He

625
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: was waiting for her to be delivered into this world.

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Speaker 1: And down the hallway, just a couple of doors down

627
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: was this all white, bright room that was so bright

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00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: it was just light and all of these people. I

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00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: saw him open the door and tell everybody it's time.

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Speaker 1: And when he did that, I could see some of

631
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: her children, I could see some of her siblings. I

632
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: saw people that I didn't even recognize, and they were

633
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: all just anticipating just the best time with her. And

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00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: it was as though it was in a delivery room.

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00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: So what an unusual party, But it was something that

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00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: sort of suited that grandmother. It was like being rebirthed

637
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: into something, and so that worked for her, whereas my

638
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: other grandmother throwing parties for all her life and very controlling.

639
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: She was telling people what she wanted. When she transitioned

640
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: and she got it, she was there, she was wearing

641
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: a visor, just like she would play on the golf course.

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00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: So these welcome parties, it's a way to have someone

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00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: feel loved. It's a way to have someone feel that

644
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: they're not alone and that this world is not so

645
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: different than where we're coming from, but it's filled with

646
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: so much more. I don't know. Just beauty and grace

647
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: and understanding and freedom is what it feels like. Expansiveness

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Speaker 1: We as human beings, we'll never get our heads around

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Speaker 1: how glorious. The next stage is our returning home. I'll

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Speaker 1: put it that way. I think we're here just for

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Speaker 1: a short time and we go back and like we

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Speaker 1: welcome a.

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Speaker 3: Baby to this world. I mean, it's a grand celebration

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Speaker 3: and then a death. Although many cultures do celebrate death

655
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Speaker 3: our Central and South American countries and others here, I

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Speaker 3: know it's fear and I don't want to go and

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Speaker 3: to have loved ones show up. And I've heard many,

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Speaker 3: many stories of people who verbalized who they see and

659
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Speaker 3: how they see them, and so often they might not

660
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Speaker 3: even know somebody's deceased, and there they are, and that

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Speaker 3: feeling of just like I'm going home, you know. So

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Speaker 3: I get it, that rebirth, that big celebration that we're

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Speaker 3: back together again. And I remember my grandmother before she

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Speaker 3: passed one week short of her ninety first birthday, and

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Speaker 3: everybody in her life had died, all of her friends

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Speaker 3: and husband and almost all brothers and sisters. So she

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Speaker 3: wasn't afraid. And she says, when God calls me forth,

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Speaker 3: I can't come fifth. That was her line.

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Speaker 1: But just getting that reunion.

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Speaker 3: And I've lived a good life and now I'm ready

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Speaker 3: to go home. I'm ready to see everybody again. And

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Speaker 3: I have full one hundred percent confidence that that's how

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Speaker 3: goes and there and then we get to like, go,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, that life will make this life here

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Speaker 3: seem like just a dream.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, And when I'm in the other space

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Speaker 1: in between walking with people to their parties, for example,

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Speaker 1: it feels so much more real than when I come

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Speaker 1: back to this reality. This reality feels confined or restricted

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Speaker 1: somehow than when I'm there, and I know that I'm

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Speaker 1: not even experiencing all of it, just a little snippet,

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Speaker 1: but it's so much bigger and brighter, and the light

683
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Speaker 1: and the sound everything is just somehow more amazing and

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Speaker 1: more intense than it is here here. I feel not trapped,

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Speaker 1: that's not a good word. I want to be here,

686
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Speaker 1: but limited a little bit. And we aren't limited. We

687
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Speaker 1: are limitless, and we are perceived limited I think by

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Speaker 1: our brains that kind of shut out some of our

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Speaker 1: otherworldly experiences that are happening right here with us right now.

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Speaker 3: If you're having these experiences, tells me other people can

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Speaker 3: have these experiences.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how can we begin now?

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Speaker 3: I know not everybody wants to be a death doula,

694
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Speaker 3: or maybe this will open the door for some volunteers

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Speaker 3: with NODA no one dies alone. Wouldn't that be great

696
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Speaker 3: coming out of this great episode? But how do we start?

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Speaker 3: Is it meditation? Is it being present? Is it a prayer?

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Speaker 3: What advice would you give all of that?

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Speaker 1: So meditation often comes with a little bit of apprehension

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Speaker 1: for some people who just absolutely say I cannot meditate,

701
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Speaker 1: and so I sometimes say, well, then, don't call it meditation, right,

702
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Speaker 1: call it sitting in silence or closing your eyes is

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Speaker 1: really helpful to remove some of those distractions in your

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Speaker 1: physical reality.

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Speaker 3: I would say start now. I'm going to pause right now,

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Speaker 3: because in the next segment Gretchen will go on in

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Speaker 3: even more detail about how we can each slow down

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Speaker 3: connect with our imagination, which, as it proves, may not

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Speaker 3: be our imagination to our loved ones in the shared

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Speaker 3: death experience. So we'll be right back. You're listening to

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Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to

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Speaker 3: Coast and Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of

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Speaker 3: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're here with Helen

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Speaker 3: Gretchen Jones. As she's just beginning to explain how we

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Speaker 3: can each tap in to the other side and possibly

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Speaker 3: have a shared experience.

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Speaker 1: Sitting in silence or closing your eyes is really helpful

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Speaker 1: to remove some of those distractions in your physical reality.

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Speaker 1: I would say start now, Start now. Don't wait until

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Speaker 1: someone's dying. But if you are already in a position

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Speaker 1: where someone has been diagnosed with the terminal illness, again,

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Speaker 1: start now and take time every day and just sit

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Speaker 1: for a few minutes. It doesn't have to be some

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Speaker 1: overthought process. Just sit quietly for a few minutes, say,

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Speaker 1: set an intention, whatever feels right for you, talk to God, universe, angels,

726
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Speaker 1: whatever again feels right for you, and you just say, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I would like to have a shared death experience. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sit quietly and if you can help

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Speaker 1: me practice receiving information so that when the time comes,

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Speaker 1: I can have one and then write it down. I

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Speaker 1: cannot stress that enough write it down, because you will forget.

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Speaker 1: And if you go back and you were to do this,

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Speaker 1: even for ten days straight, and you go back and

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Speaker 1: look at day one and then you look at day ten,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be like, I think I'm discerning these

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Speaker 1: messages a little more now than I was when I

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Speaker 1: first started, even just in a short time like that,

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Speaker 1: because at first you start to think, am I making

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Speaker 1: this up? Everything feels made up? And you know what

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Speaker 1: I say to that, I say, make it up because

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Speaker 1: this world is co created and we are all co

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Speaker 1: creating it together, and your imagination is part of creation.

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Speaker 1: It's part of how we create things. So if you're

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Speaker 1: feeling like you just want to explore what your imagination

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Speaker 1: can do visually. That's an excellent way to open the

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Speaker 1: door to spirit leading you to impressions. Absolutely feel like

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Speaker 1: you're making it up. Go for it, and this is

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Speaker 1: a good way to start. And then when you allow

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Speaker 1: yourself to move past that a little bit, you'll start

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Speaker 1: to have discernment over what is actually coming in as

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Speaker 1: an impression from spirit and what you're creating. A good

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Speaker 1: way to tell is if you're creating it, you take

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Speaker 1: time in your head to kind of think about what

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Speaker 1: you want to create. I want to see a blue sky,

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Speaker 1: I want to see a waterfall. Now, if it's being

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Speaker 1: given to you, all of a sudden, you just see

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Speaker 1: blue sky, waterfall, green meadow. It all comes in super

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Speaker 1: fast like a download, bam. The more you practice, the

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Speaker 1: more you start to recognize what's made up and what's not.

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Speaker 1: And even someone who's been doing this a long time,

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Speaker 1: I've been doing it for several years now. And just

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Speaker 1: like when Eric's family told me, no, that's not right,

763
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Speaker 1: I left feeling a little defeated, like how did I

764
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Speaker 1: mess this up? I really missed the mark here, and

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Speaker 1: I felt like I had failed the family, And so

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Speaker 1: I was really grateful when they called back a few

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Speaker 1: days later to validate those things coming through. So even

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Speaker 1: people who are doing it all the time feel like,

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Speaker 1: am I making this up? Did I interpret that message correctly?

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Speaker 1: That's part of it. That's okay. Allow yourself to experience,

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Speaker 1: and as you practice that, when the opportunity comes for

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Speaker 1: a shared death experience, you're already open to spirit. You've

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Speaker 1: already learned what it feels like to allow the outside

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Speaker 1: distractions to fall away, and you can be open to

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Speaker 1: what comes through. So I would say practice solitude and

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Speaker 1: writing it down good words.

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Speaker 3: I was on an interview earlier this morning. Somebody was

778
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Speaker 3: interviewing me and I talked about my first medium experience

779
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Speaker 3: and I was one hundred percent accurate with names, places, everything. Wow,

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Speaker 3: my very first experience. Though I was told that I

781
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: wasn't doing a medium rating and I was pretending just

782
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Speaker 3: to get the hang of it. So the words were

783
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Speaker 3: invent that there's someone standing behind her partner, Invent what

784
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: they look like, invent what details about their life, and

785
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Speaker 3: invent that there's a message that they want to share.

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Speaker 3: I just invented a man standing behind my partner who

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Speaker 3: was a grandfather on her mom's side. His name was Jan.

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Speaker 3: He was a fisherman in Denmark. Died of lung cancer,

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Speaker 3: a big gap between his front teeth. Never told her mom,

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Speaker 3: his daughter that he loved her and wanted her to

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Speaker 3: pass on that information. And I opened my eyes having

792
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: invented that, and she was crying. Her grandfather's name was Jan,

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Speaker 3: fisherman in Denmark, gap between his teeth, died of lung cancer,

794
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: and she always knew that. Her mom was never as

795
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: told I love you, He didn't hug and all that.

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Speaker 3: So that imagination is the most powerful force. Even Einstein

797
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: has some great quote about imagination is the most important

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Speaker 3: tool we have. So anyone right now, get rid of

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Speaker 3: the words, oh, it's just my.

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Speaker 5: Imagination, because your imagination can be magic, it can be

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Speaker 5: Let that go. Yeah, do you have any tools in

802
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 5: your new book about helping people?

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Speaker 3: It's not just filled with stories, right right? What's in

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00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: there that can impact somebody who's reading it their life

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00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 3: right now, whether they're dying or not.

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Speaker 1: So one of my favorite things that I like to

807
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Speaker 1: tell people is what it feels like, at least for

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00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: me oftentimes, to connect with spirit. If I were to

809
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: have you close your eyes right now and imagine the

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Speaker 1: beach and feel the sand beneath your toes and the water,

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Speaker 1: hear it crash up on the shore, maybe hear the

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00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: cry of the seagull, and feel the breeze, you know,

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00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: coming over your skin or through your hair. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, you're also aware that you're sitting right

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Speaker 1: where you are. So that's what it feels like to

816
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: be in two worlds at once. Sometimes it could feel

817
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: so subtle, like that I am at the beach and

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Speaker 1: yet I'm in this chair, and that is easy for

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Speaker 1: us to dismiss. Sometimes it can feel like a memory

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00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: or a thought or something that's right on the tip

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Speaker 1: of our tongue, but we're not quite there. That's what

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Speaker 1: sometimes connecting to spirit feels like. Whenever we do it enough, though,

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Speaker 1: and we become familiar, those images of the beach become

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00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: more vibrant, and they become more real than us sitting

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00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: in our chair. That takes practice, but when it first

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Speaker 1: is happening, it feels like a memory or just a

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Speaker 1: thought that you're creating. But thoughts have power. So I

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Speaker 1: would say to not dismiss the experiences and to recognize

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Speaker 1: wherever you want to be imagine that you're there, and

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Speaker 1: that is the start of being in two worlds at once.

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Speaker 1: And it can feel really subtle like that, and to

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Speaker 1: not dismiss it. That's one of my biggest, I think

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00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: beginner teaching things.

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Speaker 3: And that's in the book Healing Whispers from Spirit Guides,

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Speaker 3: Bringing the Gap between Life and the after Life with

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Speaker 3: a Deaf Doula's Wisdom. Can we talk about our teams?

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Speaker 3: Do we all have a team? Do we all have

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Speaker 3: a spirit team? Are there people up in me on

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Speaker 3: my mission right now?

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Speaker 1: Yes, of course we all have a team. I call

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Speaker 1: my team a team. I called them eighteen. That was

842
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Speaker 1: the name that came to me, and then my husband

843
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Speaker 1: reminded me of a crime fighting group from the eighties.

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Speaker 1: I think with mister T. They were called the eighteen.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit before my tie, but not too much.

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Speaker 1: I remember mister T. He's you know, I pity the fool,

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Speaker 1: you know. So then I thought, oh my gosh, I

848
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Speaker 1: have chosen a lame name, like I don't want this

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Speaker 1: to be my team's name. And so I said, all right, guys,

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Speaker 1: I want to change your name. I want it to

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Speaker 1: be something that means oneness or unity, and I want

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Speaker 1: it to be something singular, and I want it to

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Speaker 1: more represent a collective. And so I was like, balls

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Speaker 1: in your court, here we go. And I left right

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Speaker 1: after that to take my cat to the vet. And

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Speaker 1: as I'm pulling into the vet, all the parking places

857
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Speaker 1: are being blocked by a delivery of a temporary dumpster

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Speaker 1: and it's a green dumpster, and in big white letters

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Speaker 1: it said a team on the side of the dumpster.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, you guys, I guess we're

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Speaker 1: sticking with a team. And it was in that moment

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Speaker 1: that I realized that A is singular and it does

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Speaker 1: mean one in the English language, and that it implies

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Speaker 1: we are a team. We're a team together and they

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Speaker 1: need me as much as I need them, and so

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Speaker 1: a team stuck. So I'm not trying to rip it

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Speaker 1: off of the crime fighting heroes from the eighties, but

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Speaker 1: that's my team and spirit, and my team in spirit

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Speaker 1: tells me that we all have a team in spirit,

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Speaker 1: we all have helpers and guides, and they may not

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Speaker 1: all just be ancestors. A lot of people think that

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Speaker 1: their team and spirit is people that they've lost their grandmother,

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Speaker 1: their dad, Things like that, and it can be it

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Speaker 1: can be your ancestors. But in my experience, when I

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Speaker 1: tune into other people's teams and spirit, there's alternate beings.

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Speaker 1: There's angelics or what I perceive to be angelics. There's

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Speaker 1: masters or what we perceive to have masters on our team.

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Speaker 1: I think that spirit takes forms based on what we

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Speaker 1: need so that we can more easily connect. Because for me,

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Speaker 1: knowing a name for my team and spirit, being able

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Speaker 1: to call certain voices that I hear a specific name

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Speaker 1: really helps my human self to be able to call

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Speaker 1: upon a certain spirit to connect to. So a team

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Speaker 1: has several members and I will talk to them individually.

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Speaker 1: And when I meet other people who have their teams,

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Speaker 1: I have found that they feel it's easier to connect

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Speaker 1: once they assigned them a name or a physical appearance

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Speaker 1: in their mind. So, yes, we all have a team

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Speaker 1: and spirit. And if you're wanting to connect to yours,

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Speaker 1: there are so many amazing meditations out there that allow

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Speaker 1: you to practice connecting to your team and spirit. And

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Speaker 1: don't be dismissive if you barely imagine that beach but

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Speaker 1: it's a person, go for it and just say, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's one of my guides.

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Speaker 3: Great. Thank you. When you talked about the beach, yes,

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Speaker 3: I had my eyes closed. I was there. I could

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Speaker 3: feel the sand between my toes. But it reminded me

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Speaker 3: of some loved ones I have that are in the

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Speaker 3: spirit world. I could be say, editing a podcast, asked,

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Speaker 3: or paying the bills or something, and suddenly I get

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00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: this memory and the feeling of things that we've done together.

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Speaker 3: Don't discount those anyone. Those are little calling cards from

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Speaker 3: our loved ones. I think working the same way, right, that's.

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Speaker 1: So well said, little calling cards from our loved ones.

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Speaker 1: I love that, and they are working the same way,

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Speaker 1: and that's how you receive information. So are you very visual?

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Speaker 1: Are you visual?

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Speaker 3: Per science? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how they're working with you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Well, our time is just about

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Speaker 3: up for today. What closing words do you want to

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Speaker 3: share with our listener today? Maybe a little gemstone they

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Speaker 3: can use in their life right now today or whatever

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Speaker 3: you want to share.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's so much. I suppose I would say that

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Speaker 1: the power of your entire life is right now. Everything

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Speaker 1: is in this present moment. Everything, every choice that you've

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Speaker 1: ever made leading up to this moment, you can let

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Speaker 1: that go. Everything about your future, you can let that go.

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Speaker 1: What do you want to do right now? How do

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Speaker 1: you want to live right now? If there are things

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Speaker 1: that you haven't said to your loved ones, if there

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Speaker 1: are avenues to open up conversation with loved ones, it's

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Speaker 1: time to take steps to do that. We are not

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Speaker 1: guaranteed tomorrow. Death comes for the healthy and the sick,

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Speaker 1: the old and the young, and none of us are

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Speaker 1: guaranteed tomorrow. So if you can go to bed tonight

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Speaker 1: thinking it would be okay, then you're living your life

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Speaker 1: just right where you should be.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to our wonderful guest, and if you'd like

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Speaker 3: to see her, you can simply visit her website, Helen

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Speaker 3: Gretchen Jones dot com. Our loved ones are only a thought,

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Speaker 3: a breath, a heartbeat away, and I know we all

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Speaker 3: want big signs that they're around. But again, don't say

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Speaker 3: it's just my imagination. Pay attention to where those thoughts

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Speaker 3: and images and memories and shared time times together seem

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Speaker 3: to come out of the blue and into your mind.

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Speaker 3: That's them saying I'm right here with you. Don't forget.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to

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