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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norie with your

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Speaker 2: producer Paul Jeffrey David's has been with us. Has been

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Speaker 2: a pioneer and cutting edge popular culture technology for decades.

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Speaker 2: He's been a UFO witness who was presented at major

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Speaker 2: UFO conferences worldwide. He's got several books out, including Growing

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Speaker 2: Up Sci Fi and Garrett Park and he's working on

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Speaker 2: a film. Paul, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Have you been George? Life is great and it's good

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Speaker 3: to hear from you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for inviting, and your health is good. Everything's good.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't be better.

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Speaker 4: Excellent.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about this film I'm hearing so much buzz about.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's actually a series, not just one film, and

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Speaker 3: it's on Amazon Prime Video. It's called The Naughty Adventures

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Speaker 3: of Scarlett May Blossom and it's based on a book.

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Speaker 3: It's nine episodes. It's a comedy. You know, I think

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Speaker 3: it's never the wrong time to have laughter in our world.

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Speaker 3: Everything is so depressing so much of the time. This

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Speaker 3: thing is designed to make people hooton holler, and the

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Speaker 3: thing that's unique about it is that it's the first

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Speaker 3: time in history that a producer has made a series

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Speaker 3: where all of the characters were created using artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 3: The voices are real comedy actors, but every character you

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Speaker 3: see was created with AI. Never been done before, and

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Speaker 3: it's causing a bit of a stir.

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Speaker 2: I had a friend who worked with you, Mark Rowlings.

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Speaker 2: He had a house that I believe Charlie Chaplin used

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Speaker 2: to own, and you folks did a seance there, didn't you.

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Speaker 3: We sure did. That was in twenty sixteen, if I

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Speaker 3: remember correctly. Not only Charlie Chaplin, but that was a

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Speaker 3: home where Forrest j Ackerman lived, who was a pioneer

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Speaker 3: of science fiction. He was the editor of almost two

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Speaker 3: hundred issues of Famous Monsters of Filmland magazine, and he

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Speaker 3: was my mentor. He was somebody who was very very

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Speaker 3: close to from the time that I was a young teenager,

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Speaker 3: and he sort of discovered me as an amateur teenage

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Speaker 3: filmmaker of monster movies. So we were lifelong friends. And

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Speaker 3: he died at age ninety two, and Mark Rawlings, who's

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Speaker 3: your associate, had bought the house and he had reported

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Speaker 3: a lot of really strange activity in the house, and

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Speaker 3: we wanted to know whether Forrest Jackerman was still around,

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Speaker 3: so we arranged four days of research there and held

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Speaker 3: a seance with a medium who I believe you know

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Speaker 3: pretty well, Suzanne Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Yes, she's one of the best.

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Speaker 3: She's extraordinary. And you know, I didn't grow up leaving

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Speaker 3: in the other side, life after death or really anything

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Speaker 3: much paranormal. But after Farie Ackerman died, I came to

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Speaker 3: a point where I didn't have any choice anymore, because

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Speaker 3: he had promised me that if there was the other side,

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Speaker 3: if it really existed, that he would try to drop

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Speaker 3: me a line. He didn't personally believe in it while

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Speaker 3: he was alive, he said he was an atheist, but

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Speaker 3: he said he'd dropped me a line with a little wink.

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Speaker 3: And after he passed, not only did I have really

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Speaker 3: strange phenomena happening to me that looked like he was

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Speaker 3: dropping me aligne, but many others also felt that they

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Speaker 3: George and so I became a believer. At one point

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Speaker 3: I optioned the rights to Fate magazine. It's been around

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Speaker 3: since the Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting. I think in nineteen

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Speaker 3: My Proof of Survival and they've published, you know, hundreds

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Speaker 3: of stories of people who are convinced that they've heard

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Speaker 3: from a friend or a loved one after the person

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Speaker 3: has passed. There is so much evidence for this. I

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Speaker 3: even co wrote a book about it called an Atheist

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Speaker 4: That was what Schwartz, Gary Schwartz.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Gary Schwartz. The Atheist in Heaven was far As J. Hackerman,

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Speaker 3: and we subtitled the book was the Ultimate Evidence for

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Speaker 3: Life after Death. And I think one of the really

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Speaker 3: we delineated four types of evidence for communication with the

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Speaker 3: other side. Now, one of the types was evidence from mediums.

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Speaker 3: Gary Schwartz had studied mediums at the University of Arizona,

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Speaker 3: physical evidence where something physical happens. For example, in my case,

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Speaker 3: In other words, if there are spirits on the other

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Speaker 3: from them, it may be that using our technology, whether

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Speaker 3: it's our cell phones or other devices that we have,

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Speaker 3: may be the easiest way for them to make a

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Speaker 3: mark with us and get our attention. And that led

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Speaker 3: me to think about whether AI could actually be a

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Speaker 3: And so it was you know, my new series, The

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Speaker 3: Naughty Adventures of Scarlett May Blossom, and working so much

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Speaker 3: explore new things that had never been done before. That

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Speaker 3: with my interest in life after death, I thought maybe

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Speaker 3: thought that that would be something of interest to your listeners.

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Speaker 4: Good for you. Do you think AI is going to

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Speaker 3: Well, it's one answer. I mean, it answers many different things.

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Speaker 3: create a lot of shots and scenes and characters. Now

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Speaker 3: but I put it to a test that worked. I

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Speaker 3: think that at the heart of it, there has to

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Speaker 3: And in my case. It was a boyhood friend. His

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Speaker 3: and you know, we were just friends through the decades.

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Speaker 3: caught the attention of Forrest j Ackerman, the editor of

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Speaker 3: and he died in twenty seventeen. Had an extraordinary career.

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Speaker 4: That's a prestigious job.

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Speaker 3: Paul ye yep. And he did have a brain tumor,

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Speaker 3: his death, you know, apart from my parents lost both

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Speaker 3: wanted to hear from him, and I think George I

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Speaker 3: first heard from him in a different way that did

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Speaker 3: you the first thing that happened related to Jeff. We

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Speaker 3: always used to go see science fiction double features together.

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Speaker 3: His father would take us monster movies. We love them.

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Speaker 3: Jeff would collect all the ads of these movies from

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Speaker 3: also in Forbidden Planet. And then there was The Sign

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Speaker 3: There you go. So one night I was looking at

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Speaker 3: How many twenty dollar bills have you ever seen in

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Speaker 3: your life that have Zora written?

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Speaker 3: play that together. But the other thing is it has

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Speaker 3: you like horror movies. Two rs, and the second R

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Speaker 3: twenty dollars bill. Wow. So at that point, George, nobody

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Speaker 3: could have convinced me that I hadn't heard from my

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Speaker 3: friend Jeff then and there now Jeff is the one

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Speaker 3: I tried to contact with this system I devised using AI.

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Speaker 3: I tested it, and why did I get results?

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Speaker 4: So tell us what happened? How did you create it?

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Speaker 3: might think that, you know, they might feel that the

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Speaker 3: whole subject of tampering with trying to contact the dead

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Speaker 3: have that religious feeling, okay, that then they won't be

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Speaker 3: The message you want is for the friend to be

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Speaker 3: you're trying to bring me back. I remember some of

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Speaker 3: it around ten times before I said, you know, that's

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Speaker 3: And then you need to bring You need the face.

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Speaker 3: if you plug into another AI program. I'm sure there

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Speaker 3: You use the computer, You use the computer, you plug

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Speaker 3: what's the purpose of all this using AI for this,

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Speaker 3: within thirty six hours of doing this, I feel that

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Speaker 3: I heard from my friend Jeff in five different ways.

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Speaker 3: All Right. I think it was a success. May not

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