Speaker 1: The Dame was apparently being shot around before the injury.
Speaker 1: According to sam Amy, the relationship between Giannis and Damon
Speaker 1: strong as at the respect level, but the imperfection of
Speaker 1: the On Kirk pairing remained. In their second season together,
Speaker 1: and with the group collectively limitations growing more evident by
Speaker 1: the month, a conversation was luoming about whether Lillard and
Speaker 1: the Bucks might be better off party ways they part
Speaker 1: ways not because the ain't nobody traded for a guy
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be able to play until twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty seven, So you stuck with him and he's not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to help you.
Speaker 2: So now what do you do? Q? That's interesting they
Speaker 2: just to have.
Speaker 3: Like that's a little interesting tied that to come out
Speaker 3: right now, Like the timing of it is this funny
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe they try and move down still this summer, like
Speaker 3: you straighten things that name.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I ain't trader. How's you gonna
Speaker 2: give me a call? How are you gonna try to
Speaker 2: sell me a car with no mode in it?
Speaker 3: Because you're saying the first way they tried to come
Speaker 3: out and already say like it was It wasn't like
Speaker 3: a crazy tear or whatever.
Speaker 2: It was like you.
Speaker 3: Know, the the I guess the minimum amount of amount
Speaker 3: of damage it could be or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, man, I don't know. It's gonna
Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, like I say, unless unless Janni's come
Speaker 3: in and say something.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be real interesting to see.
Speaker 3: What goes on over there, because I know the last
Speaker 3: thing they gonna do they not coming at offering no
Speaker 3: trade for Jannis.
Speaker 2: I don't oh no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: But see that was the most shocking thing about the
Speaker 1: Luca trade. You could then't request to be traded. If
Speaker 1: we go back and study history, guys that have been moved,
Speaker 1: they wanted to be moved. Kareem wanted to be moved.
Speaker 1: Shaq wanted his money. Jared Buss didn't want to give
Speaker 1: him his money. He was starting to age, and he said, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move you. So when you look at it,
Speaker 1: Luca is twenty five, he had just turned me about
Speaker 1: to turn twenty six. He was in the league eight years,
Speaker 1: he was a five time first team All NBA selection,
Speaker 1: and he got moved.
Speaker 2: So normally guys don't move guys like that.
Speaker 1: You're not moving yais unless he says, come movement, You
Speaker 1: don't move KD. Unless KD says move me, you don't
Speaker 1: move A Lebron. Lebron has never, never asked to be traded.
Speaker 1: Lebron has always played out of his played his contract
Speaker 1: out and then he's left. But when you get guys
Speaker 1: like that, Celtics on trade Jason Tatum unless Jayson Tatum
Speaker 1: says I want to be traded. You see Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 1: Utap moved him Why because he said he wanted to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: He's really that simple. You Nightcapp family. Let's give it
Speaker 1: up for Q. Thank him for joining us. Go follow
Speaker 1: him at Q rich and his podcast at Knucklehead's podcast.
Speaker 1: Q Man, thank you for your time, Thanks for joining
Speaker 1: us to break down these game and talk all things basketball.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the podcast, Keep growing, keep doing your thing.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: All right back with us. Thank A'm gouty here. I
Speaker 3: gotta say one thing to you, Michael Jeffrey Jordan is
Speaker 3: to go. I'm not gonna plade it, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: argue it.
Speaker 2: Okay, what it is? Jalen Bronson game went over the pistons,
Speaker 2: What a shot? What the moment?
Speaker 1: The next window series? Rob you one of the great
Speaker 1: clutch shot shooters. Let me ask you this. I think
Speaker 1: for our audience, they want to know in that moment,
Speaker 1: are you thinking, like, man, if I make this shot
Speaker 1: on a hero, if I miss it, or you just
Speaker 1: going through the It's the same whether the moment is
Speaker 1: there or not. It's just like if it was the
Speaker 1: first quarter, the second quarter, third quarter. What goes through
Speaker 1: your head when you're taking a shot that could potentially
Speaker 1: win you the game or lose you the game?
Speaker 4: Y know, I think about anything, man, because it's just
Speaker 4: like when you're in a gym. You're taking all these
Speaker 4: shots and prepare for this moment. You put the reps
Speaker 4: in and that's what you gotta do. That's why you
Speaker 4: see guys. You know you take Kobe Fence's He's been
Speaker 4: the gym twenty four to seven, so everything came easy.
Speaker 4: And if you put in the time, in the work
Speaker 4: and the sacrifice, these moments like this, you don't even
Speaker 4: think about it. When you think about Jalen Brunson, most
Speaker 4: guys they like going to their offhand to pull up
Speaker 4: for they jumps out because you can square up a
Speaker 4: little bit better. He got you going left like you thought,
Speaker 4: Oh he's a strong left guy. He was setting them up.
Speaker 4: He said it, Thompson up, I'm coming right back over
Speaker 4: here to what I want to knock down this three.
Speaker 4: So it's just it's just a process that you go
Speaker 4: through each and every day, and you watch him. He
Speaker 4: is so good at manipulating the defense. He can get
Speaker 4: you on your hip and then he can cost the
Speaker 4: contact or he can get you. He can he can
Speaker 4: gauge your speed if you're going too fast, he stops
Speaker 4: on the diamond, pulls up, and I think for him
Speaker 4: and any any guy who's playing this game long enough.
Speaker 2: You don't think about it. You just do it. It's
Speaker 2: just a second nation, second nature thing to you. Man.
Speaker 2: You just you just enjoyed the moment and you just
Speaker 2: hope that you make that month. So you can talk
Speaker 2: a lot of shit.
Speaker 1: He does a great job rob as you mentioned, but
Speaker 1: he gets his body in such a position to shoot
Speaker 1: that shot because like you said, he's a left handed player,
Speaker 1: and most left handed players are left hand dominant. They're
Speaker 1: trying to get to that left side. They want to
Speaker 1: go left. He did that and then if you notice
Speaker 1: he stepped back and squared himself and let it go.
Speaker 2: He hit a shrewter. He got an and one on shooter,
Speaker 2: and he got a tough step back.
Speaker 1: He I mean the way he can like get his
Speaker 1: body in position to take and make tough shots.
Speaker 2: For a guy his size. He is not a big guy.
Speaker 1: I mean his body. I mean, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He's you know, he got a little little gird to him.
Speaker 1: You know, he got some but he's what you think
Speaker 1: six foot. I think he's about six six one hit that,
Speaker 1: but his ability and he's stronger than you think for
Speaker 1: a guy his size, because the way he can like
Speaker 1: put that that sholder in your chest and get and
Speaker 1: get that shot off, float on square himself in the
Speaker 1: knock these shots down.
Speaker 2: He was sensatial.
Speaker 1: They couldn't buy a basket for the first nine ten
Speaker 1: minutes of the ball game, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he said, man, just give me the ball. What
Speaker 1: y'all doing? And every shot that needed to be taken
Speaker 1: and made. Now they got a huge tip in by
Speaker 1: bridge and somebody missed the shot and they didn't block
Speaker 1: out the bridges got the tip that tied it up.
Speaker 1: But you know, once they missed that shot, said, boy,
Speaker 1: y'all better get this ball. Because Thompson had just made
Speaker 1: a great defensive play up like two possessions earlier, he
Speaker 1: got a shot clock violation on the copy. He went
Speaker 1: to go up and he stripped him with the ball.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, Russell, I got something for you.
Speaker 5: Hold, I got a question you for for rob Man
Speaker 5: for you and Unk right, is as great as Jalen
Speaker 5: Brunson was in this series, as great as he's been
Speaker 5: obviously being a very very clutch player.
Speaker 2: Hell, he's just one NBA CUSS Player of the Year right.
Speaker 5: On this offensive prow tonight with forty, Is there any
Speaker 5: chance y'all give me the Knicks and in this series
Speaker 5: against the Celtics, any chance?
Speaker 3: No, No, no, no.
Speaker 4: And the reason I say no is because when you
Speaker 4: look at the Celtics, they got six guys that can score,
Speaker 4: and every time I look at the Nicks, they.
Speaker 2: Remind me of Ai.
Speaker 4: You know, they got this one guy that does all
Speaker 4: the scoring and everybody else does two or three things
Speaker 4: really really good. To make that pie hole and do
Speaker 4: you take out Bridge? It's one of my favorite players
Speaker 4: when they use him and he's able to score. They're
Speaker 4: a totally different team. But I just think the Celtics
Speaker 4: has too much firepower. And one of the things they
Speaker 4: don't talk about what the Celtics is.
Speaker 2: You look at them.
Speaker 4: They got four good defensive players out there in that court,
Speaker 4: you know, and that's and and we don't talk about
Speaker 4: that because we so caught up.
Speaker 2: In all the threes they do.
Speaker 4: But you think about, you know, White, Holiday, even Brown,
Speaker 4: these guys are fucking good defense. And so they got
Speaker 4: bodies to throw at Bronson a little short down and
Speaker 4: so that's gonna be hard. And you know, going back
Speaker 4: to Brunton, the one thing that makes him really good
Speaker 4: is this is gonna sound really crazy, is left handed
Speaker 4: players are always uh and have that ability to get
Speaker 4: to the line and do things because you cannot use that.
Speaker 4: You holler every run across a left pended player. You
Speaker 4: think about Mono, do you know we're gonna play with
Speaker 4: He was so good because you think he's about to
Speaker 4: do someone is right here, like, oh shit, he's left handed.
Speaker 4: And by the time you think about it, he donna
Speaker 4: change you up. And because it's just not what you
Speaker 4: use is uncommon. But I just think he I think
Speaker 4: the Knicks might win one game because they play hard,
Speaker 4: and I think overall, I just think the Celtic, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a gentleman, sweet man. I just think
Speaker 4: that if the Celtics stay healthy. But you know they
Speaker 4: they've been getting a little banged up in there. But
Speaker 4: I just think the Celtics are too good. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: when you look at it, think about what they go.
Speaker 4: They got Derrick White that can defend. They got Holliday
Speaker 4: that can defend. They got JB that can defend.
Speaker 1: They got bigger A Horford that can defend, Porzingis can
Speaker 1: protect the paint. And then they bring Pritchard off the
Speaker 1: bench that can score, House that can call cornet, that
Speaker 1: can that can give you a little rebound. Me. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're loaded. You we know j T can defend it
Speaker 1: if you have to, but he can score. JD can score,
Speaker 1: Derrick White can score. They got scores, and they got defenders.
Speaker 1: So they're always going to have at bare minimum to
Speaker 1: quality defenders on the court at all times. And so
Speaker 1: when you have that, when you got two guys that
Speaker 1: can defend. But look what they start with. So if
Speaker 1: they start Holiday, you got Holiday, Derrick White, JP Al Horford.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker 5: I liked the Nickson winning at least three games. I
Speaker 5: got win three games. I mean, hey, Raw, you want
Speaker 5: to you want to, you want to best some on it.
Speaker 5: You want to throw a little throw ways on them?
Speaker 5: Said make it light of yourself. Bet fifty two hundred.
Speaker 5: That's very specific, right he said, yeah, tell you try.
Speaker 5: I'm sure I hold them fifty two hundred. So I'm
Speaker 5: just trying to I'm trying to make it up some
Speaker 5: other kind of way and trying to break you.
Speaker 2: Rob. I' let me ask you this, of all the
Speaker 2: game winners that you hit, what's your favorite one? Uh,
Speaker 2: Lakers against the jay Kings with the ball came by
Speaker 2: that game without a game double game cepl and it
Speaker 2: was game four four. You know, we lose that game,
Speaker 2: we go down three to one.
Speaker 4: And the reason is my favorite because if you look
Speaker 4: at most of my game winners, they've all done on
Speaker 4: the road, and so this one was done at home.
Speaker 2: And you got a chance to rejoice with the crowd. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 4: I grew up a huge Lakers fan, man, I grew
Speaker 4: up a big Magic Johnson fan. You know you wouldn't
Speaker 4: never being a Laker. You used to them chanting Kobe,
Speaker 4: Kobe or shot. You know, when you get a chance
Speaker 4: to knock down a big three and you get him
Speaker 4: chant your name like that, man, it's the best feeling ever.
Speaker 4: I think for me, it's probably outside of Kobe's last game,
Speaker 4: is the greatest moment in Statele Slash Crypto. And if
Speaker 4: you every time I see the shot from above and
Speaker 4: when I'm making and the crowd just jumps up and cheers,
Speaker 4: I get goosebunt every time I see it. You know,
Speaker 4: even though I love what I did in two thousand
Speaker 4: and five against the Pistons in game fire, when I.
Speaker 2: Lit as yeah, that's what I was.
Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking, Yeah, yeah, yeah, But you
Speaker 4: know it's something you know, we as an athlete, we
Speaker 4: all got that ego, we all got that pride.
Speaker 2: You're gonna hit them fans chant your name. But I
Speaker 2: tell you what, I only have like one picture up.
Speaker 4: I don't even have that shot up in my house,
Speaker 4: but I do have the picture of me making that
Speaker 4: shot against the Pistols because I just like looking at
Speaker 4: the faces of the people in the crowd.
Speaker 2: You got some people like you know, and you got
Speaker 2: one guy him in the crowd and it's like yeah,
Speaker 2: because he knew it was going in people.
Speaker 1: I don't know if people realize this, Rob, but before
Speaker 1: those black danjurs, you are hot flower.
Speaker 2: You was ever. I mean you was punching on folks.
Speaker 2: I mean you are hope, over the top. People look
Speaker 2: at you and they're like, man, all they did was
Speaker 2: you threes no no, no, no no. When you came in.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what it is about them,
Speaker 1: the Alabama guys, you and make nice. All the guys
Speaker 1: had up up of people. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: people realize that, but you wore a hot flower, a
Speaker 1: sixteen guy that finished above the rim. And then you
Speaker 1: turned yourself. I think it was the back injury that
Speaker 1: you turned yourself in more of a shooter. You still
Speaker 1: could punch your folks, but not like you could when
Speaker 1: you first got the houst.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's so weird when you coming to lead
Speaker 2: funny stories.
Speaker 4: Like my middle son, he came to me one time, like, Daddy,
Speaker 4: you don't ever dunk anymore.
Speaker 2: You can't even dunk.
Speaker 4: And there's that one dunk in the playoffs against the
Speaker 4: Detroit Pistons that I dunked on Rep.
Speaker 2: Hamilton. I took out outside the think and I said, see,
Speaker 2: your dad can still dunk. I just don't have to.
Speaker 4: But you know, the weird part about it is when
Speaker 4: I got to the Lakers, they was like, oh, we
Speaker 4: don't want you to, you know, they say, we need
Speaker 4: you just spot up. And the worst thing as an athlete,
Speaker 4: if any athletes listening, is don't let coaches limit to
Speaker 4: limit you and what you can do. And I think
Speaker 4: you know this day and age is a little bit different.
Speaker 4: Back then, it was a little bit more I need
Speaker 4: to do this, this and this, and so in my
Speaker 4: mind became okay, this is what they want me to do,
Speaker 4: spot up and shoot threes and all this concept.
Speaker 2: But I I showed my my my youngest son, Christian,
Speaker 2: who's that you said? Last?
Speaker 4: Let me show you something, man, Come sit down and
Speaker 4: I'll show them my highlights. I mean rockets when I
Speaker 4: used to dunk. He looked at me like, damn, you
Speaker 4: had houps. It's like, yeah, I just stopped doing it
Speaker 4: because they didn't want. I didn't have room to do
Speaker 4: it because Shaq.
Speaker 2: Was in the dad.
Speaker 5: That's dope, that's lie. Hey, hey, Rob, with some of
Speaker 5: those some of those clutch shots you hit, were you
Speaker 5: ever did you ever keep any of the balls or
Speaker 5: especially especially Man, I mean, you got some really, really
Speaker 5: really good moments, and for me, I would want to
Speaker 5: keep those.
Speaker 2: I would I personally want to keep those balls. You
Speaker 2: know you don't have any, you know, I really I have.
Speaker 2: I have. I have one from it's actually the Game
Speaker 2: seven ball against the Knicks.
Speaker 4: I have that. And the only reason I have that
Speaker 4: because I told the guy said, because the first two
Speaker 4: points of Game seven was me dunking on bad you
Speaker 4: and I was like.
Speaker 2: I want that ball. I want that ball.
Speaker 3: So I have that ball.
Speaker 4: And I wish I had the one I made against
Speaker 4: the Kings, because shit, if I lost it, if I
Speaker 4: bett you and lost, I just sell that and give
Speaker 4: me a lot of money to cover that.
Speaker 2: I know these Laker fans who loved that, well.
Speaker 5: Speaking of you talking about balls and being able to
Speaker 5: sell the ball and get you a lot of money. Listen,
Speaker 5: I got a prize possession, That's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5: I'm supposed to have it inclosed in the case, right,
Speaker 5: But I got the game ball when Lebron hit his
Speaker 5: fiftieth point fifty thousand, Like, listen, fifty thousand points, and
Speaker 5: that's something that you would think he would.
Speaker 2: Keep sure sure to see. Huh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's a fifty thousand point ball right now,
Speaker 5: you see twenty thousand point and Lebron signed the.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if I haven't falling on hard times, man,
Speaker 2: this is gonna come in handy. Do you fall on
Speaker 2: hard time to try to sell that ball? You gonna
Speaker 2: stay on hard times? Exactly? You, Hey, you might real
Speaker 2: hard times.
Speaker 1: Greg Papavich stepped out of the coach at the San
Speaker 1: Antonio First today, ending a nearly three decade run that
Speaker 1: saw him lead the team to five championships. He's the
Speaker 1: all time winning his coach at NBA history, and he's
Speaker 1: a three time Coach of the Year, and he's a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame going a gold medal, and he's inducted
Speaker 1: to the Basketball Hall of Fame. Rob, you played for Pop?
Speaker 1: What what was it about Pop that made him special?
Speaker 1: What was your what's going to be your lasting memory
Speaker 1: of playing for Pop?
Speaker 4: I think for me, it's just his how genuine he was,
Speaker 4: and you know, he he was one of those coaches
Speaker 4: where he's one of those coaches where he had yelled
Speaker 4: at you and then take you to have some nochi
Speaker 4: and someone in those two favorite things.
Speaker 2: And and for me, I think I tell this story
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 4: The one thing that really made me fall in love
Speaker 4: with the guy was my daughter who passed away, was
Speaker 4: really sick my last ship with the Spurs, and she
Speaker 4: went into the hospital at the beginning of the season
Speaker 4: and he was like, don't don't come back until she's
Speaker 4: out of the hospital.
Speaker 2: And I sat in the hospital with.
Speaker 4: Her for like three weeks and then she probably got
Speaker 4: out of the hospital and I came at like a
Speaker 4: day after. He says, she out a hospital. Like, yees,
Speaker 4: she got home like two days ago, he said, she
Speaker 4: and out of the woods. Yet get back, go back home.
Speaker 4: You know, we don't really need you right now. And
Speaker 4: I looked at him, like, are you trying to get
Speaker 4: rid of me off on the spot? He said, no, Man,
Speaker 4: family first, you know, family first, And that's what That's
Speaker 4: how Pop always was.
Speaker 2: Man. You know, I just heard the day about the
Speaker 2: story of the Martow Rose on his past and now.
Speaker 4: It's like and that goes to show you, you know,
Speaker 4: there's some things bigger than a freaking game right, and
Speaker 4: Pop realized that. You know, he was always about, you know,
Speaker 4: spending time with your family, doing what's important. And I
Speaker 4: remember even my last year, I went to him and
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I'm want to ask the
Speaker 4: fairy like what I said.
Speaker 2: It's my last year. I said, can I and my
Speaker 2: son's on spring break? We're going on a road trip.
Speaker 2: Can I bring my son with me?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even ask you no question like that.
Speaker 4: He said, it's you know, it's it's it's about the family.
Speaker 4: It's about doing things, and a lot of teams wouldn't
Speaker 4: let you do that. You know, it's because I remember
Speaker 4: remember the Lakers back and the day you say he
Speaker 4: can't get the flight back now lid Bill, you know
Speaker 4: insurance thing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this a flight hole on what?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 4: But pot was he's he was really really good about man,
Speaker 4: if it came down to your family, you do whatever
Speaker 4: it's necessary for your family.
Speaker 1: Everybody talks about the relationship that they had with Duncan
Speaker 1: because I think Duncan was the main being because you
Speaker 1: could coach him Duncan hard. You can coach everybody else hard.
Speaker 1: And Timmy was receptive and that's what you have.
Speaker 2: Tom.
Speaker 1: Timmy was one of these superstars that if you didn't
Speaker 1: watch the game, you would never know he was a superstar.
Speaker 1: He didn't dress like a superstar. Hell I remember you
Speaker 1: showed up what to pick up an m v P
Speaker 1: trop with flip flops his shorts.
Speaker 2: So David Sturn David what wan to swing on Timmy?
Speaker 2: Head on George? Yeah, head on, jeans short George. David
Speaker 2: Stern like, hey, but that was Timmy.
Speaker 1: What what wasn't about Coach Pop and Tim's relationship that
Speaker 1: made it so unique and special.
Speaker 4: I think we're gonna back this up a little bit
Speaker 4: because you really have to credit David Ranks because you
Speaker 4: think about he had David Robinson when Tim came and
Speaker 4: David was like, Yo, this is what we do here,
Speaker 4: and Tim just follow suit. You know, Tim is just
Speaker 4: that type of guy. He doesn't say much.
Speaker 2: You can talk.
Speaker 4: If you talk about cars, he'll talk to you talk
Speaker 4: about video games. He'll talk to you talk about poke
Speaker 4: with those three things and he'll talk about that. He
Speaker 4: a't gonna really talk to you for us. You know,
Speaker 4: it took me a year just to get him say
Speaker 4: a couple of words to me, and but he is
Speaker 4: just a he. He is a type of guy who's
Speaker 4: really focused. We don't, you know, we always talk about
Speaker 4: Code's worker. I think we talked about it, But this
Speaker 4: dude was always in the gym shooting jump shots. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm always trying to get to perfect that bank shot.
Speaker 2: If you know.
Speaker 4: He was famous for shooting a lot of free throws
Speaker 4: because you know he that was one of his is
Speaker 4: his downfall?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And he just he worked hard.
Speaker 4: But he was just he If you talk about guys
Speaker 4: who you know, I used to I had to get
Speaker 4: on to him one time, like, dude, can you fucking
Speaker 4: yell at somebody?
Speaker 2: Man, you sitting over there like with your mouth closed.
Speaker 4: You know, you yell at someone, you're gonna be like, yeah, pudding,
Speaker 4: everybody's gonna perk up and listen.
Speaker 2: So he was just he was very mild many way.
Speaker 2: He's mild. Mind. He didn't want to say much.
Speaker 4: But the guy was he competed and he was and
Speaker 4: when he when he led you into his world, one
Speaker 4: of the nicest guys you'll meet.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Twin Towers because David Robinson was there.
Speaker 1: But when David was there, I mean they Wondam Championship
Speaker 1: with David, but David was on the tail end of
Speaker 1: his career. That was that was I mean, basically Tim
Speaker 1: Dunkett team from the time he walked in the door.
Speaker 2: Oh he was just that good.
Speaker 1: And he was one of the last guys that was
Speaker 1: a true senior that was the number one overall. Kenya
Speaker 1: Martin was the last one, I think in two thousand,
Speaker 1: but Timmy was what ninety eight. I think the ninety
Speaker 1: eight draft was Timmy's first year, but he was the last,
Speaker 1: the last of those guys that he went four years
Speaker 1: of college and came out. So he was more than ready,
Speaker 1: more than prepared for the grind because basically he was
Speaker 1: a grown man when he wasn't eighteen, he wasn't seventeen.
Speaker 2: Tim Duggan was a twenty two year old grown man
Speaker 2: when he got to the NBA.
Speaker 4: So you tell me something I did not know. I
Speaker 4: thought he came out earlier. You just so you say
Speaker 4: everybody coming down early, you know, thinking about and that's
Speaker 4: the one thing that I hated about the NBA. I know,
Speaker 4: these dudes are freaking twenty one when they get to
Speaker 4: college now, but I just wish that that that that
Speaker 4: I was about to say, David Stern that Adam Silbell
Speaker 4: put like two years onto it. Because these guys. You
Speaker 4: can tell by the way these guys play. Now, that's
Speaker 4: why so many threes are being shot, because they don't
Speaker 4: know how to play. They're doing what's easy. It's taking
Speaker 4: the threes in the learning the game. You know, you
Speaker 4: got some guys that are gonna come in the league
Speaker 4: that know how to play the game because of the
Speaker 4: upbringing and how they were taught. But it's just it's
Speaker 4: just it's just a lot of bad basketball being played
Speaker 4: because guys don't know how to play. You know, you
Speaker 4: think about tonight washing game, Like, dude, the first thing
Speaker 4: you learn in high school and college is how to
Speaker 4: beat the damn zone.
Speaker 2: Right, the zone is the easiest freaking thing to beat.
Speaker 2: And you can't beat the zone.
Speaker 4: It's like go to the Oprah spots, go to the
Speaker 4: dunker spot, go back door, and it just shows you
Speaker 4: right there that the guys aren't learning anything because they're
Speaker 4: all just trying to, you know, get to the next
Speaker 4: level to the league without learning something.
Speaker 1: Rob you played with some of the greats. I mean,
Speaker 1: you was on a team with him, Duncan. You was
Speaker 1: on a team with Shaq and Kobe.
Speaker 2: You was on the King with a lot Dream and Drexler,
Speaker 2: And I know people ask you what the difference.
Speaker 1: Between Dream and Duncan, the difference between Duncan and Shaq,
Speaker 1: the difference between Clyde and Kobe. What are some of
Speaker 1: the different look because look, all of those guys that
Speaker 1: I just mentioned are all the seventy five greatest players
Speaker 1: in the NBA history, MVP's Finals, MVPs, Defensive.
Speaker 2: Players of the Year.
Speaker 1: When you got when you got to the Rockets, what
Speaker 1: was it about the Dream that you know, okay and
Speaker 1: this got special?
Speaker 2: What set them apart? Shit?
Speaker 4: I knew Dream was special when I watched them in
Speaker 4: college because when I when I was coming out, I said,
Speaker 4: I want to play alongside this guy. You know, I
Speaker 4: was praying that I went to the Rockets and the
Speaker 4: guy was and I did because you could just see
Speaker 4: his work as you know you watched him. You know,
Speaker 4: guys always talking about going into the lab. Dream would
Speaker 4: be in the lab and we didn't even know it.
Speaker 4: He would be working on stuff and then he'll just
Speaker 4: all of a sudden in the game. You know, you
Speaker 4: think about ninety five high annihilated David.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he said they took the game. Is it
Speaker 2: took his the MVP from him? Yeah, all that stuff
Speaker 2: we had never seen before. You should have seen us
Speaker 2: on the court.
Speaker 4: We're going like, oh, we became fans on the court, right,
Speaker 4: And so he just and you watch him, man, he
Speaker 4: just played hard.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: You think about you know, back in the day when
Speaker 4: he you forget he used a knock some people out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, he had that toughness. You know,
Speaker 2: you help on him.
Speaker 4: He would he was because only a fifty dollars finals,
Speaker 4: you know, puts him in the face. And so he
Speaker 4: had that toughness and he just had that. The one
Speaker 4: thing about Dream, though, is we talk about how hard
Speaker 4: guys players like, and how hard Yannis plays, how hard
Speaker 4: Bronson places, how hard he's got Dream play hard each
Speaker 4: and every night. And you know, people would talk about
Speaker 4: who's the greatest center, who's this, who's that.
Speaker 2: Dream to me is always gonna be top three centers. Wow.
Speaker 2: Because if he needed to shoot threes, he could have
Speaker 2: shot threes.
Speaker 4: He didn't because he had us out there and you
Speaker 4: couldn't stop him in the paint any damn way.
Speaker 2: So he just gonna keep you that way.
Speaker 4: So he was just you know, he was just a
Speaker 4: hard worker and the more important, great guy because he
Speaker 4: taught me about the business of basketball. He was like, yo,
Speaker 4: I remember one time at a Christmas part he took
Speaker 4: me outside. I said, listen, you're gonna be on this team.
Speaker 4: Now let's talk about, you know, things outside of basketball.
Speaker 4: What you're doing with your money. You know, how's the family,
Speaker 4: you know, are you investing, do you have the right people?
Speaker 2: He was just a good guy.
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of guys now you know, they
Speaker 4: won't they won't come to you and be like, yo, man,
Speaker 4: you need to check your find that you need to
Speaker 4: do this.
Speaker 2: They like, fuck you. I learned it on my own.
Speaker 4: You on your own, and so I just that's one
Speaker 4: of the things I love about you. And he taught
Speaker 4: me about the business of basketball. So you leave Houston
Speaker 4: and you go to the let well you know you
Speaker 4: have you didn't go right to you got to go there?
Speaker 2: Huh, no, you have. You got to talk about the
Speaker 2: fins man.
Speaker 1: Start you have a little bit and started saying, and Peter,
Speaker 1: you you have a couple of coffee at the airport.
Speaker 2: He got right back on the player. He went to
Speaker 2: l A So you get to l A shock and
Speaker 2: Kobe what you're like? Dam N? Got shocked? Got Kobe?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What y'all need to be to do? Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know what's weird? When I got there, man, I'm
Speaker 4: looking at the team. We had Nick ban X at
Speaker 4: the yelling, we had Eddie Jones at the two. I said, okay,
Speaker 4: I can play the three. You know, back then I
Speaker 4: was the man, and I said, we got a young
Speaker 4: guy like this. You know, everybody's like, oh, you got
Speaker 4: to see this rookie Kobe Bryan.
Speaker 2: I'm like, who.
Speaker 4: And then you get to the practice you see how
Speaker 4: good this dude is. Okay, he's learning, and then you
Speaker 4: got shocked. You know, you say, okay, Shaq just got
Speaker 4: beaten ninety five in the finals, and you got all
Speaker 4: this talent. I said, oh man, we got to do
Speaker 4: some work. I said, We're gonna do some work for
Speaker 4: some years. Because everybody young, everybody's under thirty. But sometimes
Speaker 4: it goes to show you too many cooks in the
Speaker 4: kitchen when it comes to basketball ain't good. You gotta
Speaker 4: have some guys that are blue guys, some screw guys,
Speaker 4: you know, some boats and and do the things to
Speaker 4: keep the team together.
Speaker 2: And you think about we had four All stars. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then we got swept by a damn team that
Speaker 2: has been together for thirty years. That was Kobe's rookie year,
Speaker 2: wasn't it. That was Kobe's rookie year. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 4: And then and then and then ninety nine, you know,
Speaker 4: we got beat We got beat by the Spurs, lost
Speaker 4: the last game in the Forum to the Spurs. And
Speaker 4: then that was when we got new coaches, and we
Speaker 4: said we got rid of Nick, we got rid of Eddie,
Speaker 4: and we bought in defensive minded people. You know. He
Speaker 4: brought in Ron Harper, We bought in b Shaw, we
Speaker 4: bought in Rick Fox, We did all these things, brought
Speaker 4: in a C.
Speaker 1: Green And it was that Glue who was whole grand
Speaker 1: there did a whole great only came for the last
Speaker 1: hope Hope.
Speaker 4: Grant was on the second championship in two thousand and
Speaker 4: two thousand and one. Yeah, so, and it was just weird, man.
Speaker 4: You just and it goes to show you when you
Speaker 4: got too much talent, it's hard to get in the way.
Speaker 4: But when you've got when you got enough talent and
Speaker 4: you got guys who mature, and you can you can
Speaker 4: tell Kobe and Shot to shut up and sit you.
Speaker 2: Ass down and do what you're supposed to do, and
Speaker 2: they gonna they gonna, you think about it.
Speaker 4: We used to tell Kobe, all, dude, you ain't doing
Speaker 4: that tonight, A Shack, you ain't doing that, and they
Speaker 4: would listen to us because we are veteran guys.
Speaker 2: You know. Now you got this going on.
Speaker 4: Guys you know, respect us and we had a lot
Speaker 4: of respect for one another, and it was no animosity.
Speaker 4: And people always ask me about the Kobe Shack thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I must have been fucking blinded,
Speaker 4: because they never had beef in front of us. It
Speaker 4: was all in the papers man, you know, And that
Speaker 4: was the weirdest thing. When people like, we'll talk about it,
Speaker 4: I'm like they in the locker room, laughing and joking.
Speaker 4: They the first people to hug after a championship. I know,
Speaker 4: you tell me you you want a championship. Who was
Speaker 4: the first person you hung, you hugged after you want
Speaker 4: to champion? It's probably your favorite player on the team.
Speaker 4: And so that's why I was like men's arriving, they
Speaker 4: would say, oh, they're beef and I'm like, man, where
Speaker 4: it was just weird to me? How good was Shaq?
Speaker 1: You look at Shack and I tell people, I would
Speaker 1: think people realize how athletic Shock was when Shaq got
Speaker 1: to the league, like Shaq first five or six years,
Speaker 1: when Shaq was like seven one three twenty five and
Speaker 1: can move like a dear. We'll never go to see
Speaker 1: that again. You never go to see a guy his
Speaker 1: signs with that kind ofigility.
Speaker 2: You're just not Now.
Speaker 1: You might have a like a yoh, he's got the footwork,
Speaker 1: and Joel of me got footwork, but I'm talking about
Speaker 1: just raw athleticism and power.
Speaker 2: You never phil O'Neil again, never, ye never.
Speaker 4: You know, you think about if you always tell if
Speaker 4: you start a team, if I could take the two thousand,
Speaker 4: the nineteen nine nine, two thousand Shock, the MVP Shack
Speaker 4: and have him that Shack and put him on, that's
Speaker 4: my first person, Not Jordan, not Dream, not Daream.
Speaker 2: That's the first person I'm picked to start my line.
Speaker 4: If I can get that Shack because he was just
Speaker 4: so dominant, he was just so strong, so athletic. You
Speaker 4: thinking about this, this guy can bring the ball down
Speaker 4: across your spin, take off from outside the paint, then
Speaker 4: monkey dunk on your ask and then you could do
Speaker 4: you know, and you go back and look at a
Speaker 4: lot of tape. And I've heard this out of refs mouth.
Speaker 4: So I'm sitting there. You can hear all you is
Speaker 4: on him and he's not getting the call. They're like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's too big, he should be able to handle that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, it's a freaking file. He's slapping his show.
Speaker 4: Y'all said, all right, y'all, gonna piss him off, and
Speaker 4: then I'm gonna get out of way be cause he's
Speaker 4: gonna start an elbowing and you can tell when he
Speaker 4: got frustrated because he'll do that.
Speaker 2: He don't care who he is. I'm like, so yeah,
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 4: He was like I said, if you got one player,
Speaker 4: one moment, I'm taking nineteen ninety nine, two thousand shock
Speaker 4: and I'm starting the team with that guy.
Speaker 2: If I can get that guy each and every night.
Speaker 1: Okay, Kobe, Kobe, if a seventeen he gets there seventeen.
Speaker 1: Now by the time they start to win championships, he's
Speaker 1: the Kobe. He's he's become what he became and you
Speaker 1: get to see it on full display. He could still
Speaker 1: elevate over the top. He got the minute, he could up.
Speaker 1: Oh he had, he had the package. And if you
Speaker 1: need him to sit in the chair for forty minutes
Speaker 1: and take the opposing team to point two three, I
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he and he wanted that challenge. And you know, you,
Speaker 4: you know, I know you think Lebron is the greatest
Speaker 4: of all time. And you people talk about, uh MJ
Speaker 4: being the greatest of all time. Why don't you think
Speaker 4: you when you watch Kobe Bryant, he did every freaking
Speaker 4: thing like MJ. And he probably took it to another
Speaker 4: level because Kobe. You know, when Kobe first came in
Speaker 4: the league, we used to laugh and joke him, like
Speaker 4: you can't shoot threes?
Speaker 2: He just shoot threes like MJ. But he we would
Speaker 2: like joke with him.
Speaker 4: So that dude being in the gym every morning at
Speaker 4: five o'clock shooting number threes and now he can shoot threes.
Speaker 4: And it's things like that that why he was great.
Speaker 4: You could tell him he was not good at something,
Speaker 4: he would prove you wrong by going in and working
Speaker 4: on it and added to his game.
Speaker 2: This dude.
Speaker 4: You know, God rest his soul. Was the hardest working
Speaker 4: dude I've ever seen in my life. And you think
Speaker 4: about where he went from his rookie year where he
Speaker 4: just played. Wow, you know, he didn't have no structure
Speaker 4: to his game to understanding that. Oh I got to
Speaker 4: tone this down. And I don't know if it's because
Speaker 4: he talked to MJ and talked to Field whatnot, but
Speaker 4: when he got filled, it made him more.
Speaker 2: Structure than I've ever seen before. So the dude was
Speaker 2: just phenomenal. Man.
Speaker 4: So I hate when we talk about the goat and
Speaker 4: we never bring him up, like because it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: to me, the goats are MJ, Kobe, Lebron, and Kareem.
Speaker 4: Those are the goats. And why do we have to
Speaker 4: put one, one, two, one, three and four those four
Speaker 4: guys right there? Why great camps? Just four ghosts? That's
Speaker 4: the amount rushmore right there?
Speaker 1: Why Why didn't playing on that team alongside Shaq and Kobe?
Speaker 1: Why didn't they win more individual MVPs? Kobe didn't win
Speaker 1: one until later late in like two thousand one, I
Speaker 1: think two thousand out of two thousand and ten, he
Speaker 1: won the MVP. Why didn't they win. If why didn't
Speaker 1: Shaq win more MVPs? Why didn't Kobe win MVPs? Did
Speaker 1: they cancel each other out? I don't think they counted
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 4: I just think, you know, if you if you look
Speaker 4: at the league back then, it was hard to win
Speaker 4: back to backs unless she was a white guy name
Speaker 4: Steve Nash.
Speaker 2: So you know, you think about that second Steve.
Speaker 1: Nash, I should have won that in Miami for real though,
Speaker 1: So it's so many things you can look at it.
Speaker 2: It's just weird.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: You think about MJ when he was in the league.
Speaker 2: He didn't win it.
Speaker 4: Every year, you know, it's always someone different, And like
Speaker 4: you think about this year, even though Joki is having
Speaker 4: the best freaking career, best year of his career, he
Speaker 4: probably give it to Shape, you know, And and it's
Speaker 4: just how they do it. And I don't know why,
Speaker 4: but I think Kobe should probably run at least three,
Speaker 4: Shack should run at least I should Shack shuld run
Speaker 4: at least two. You know, I think I say, the
Speaker 4: year he wanted, he should have won it, and then
Speaker 4: the following year he should have won it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Other than that, I think, you know, because you think
Speaker 4: about his third year, my third championship, he wasn't as
Speaker 4: dominant as he was. He was still effective, he just
Speaker 4: didn't bring that you think about it, he wasn't the
Speaker 4: shack before that, and that's what they based off. They
Speaker 4: always say, Okay, we're gonna take your last year. What
Speaker 4: did you do better than that year? And I think
Speaker 4: he was just consistent. He never like went up a
Speaker 4: little bit to another level.
Speaker 1: Uh. Jim Duncan, Jim Duncan had one of the great games.
Speaker 1: He had a damn near quadruple double. He was two
Speaker 1: blocks away from a quadruple double in an NBA Finals
Speaker 1: game when he played when he played the Nets, uh
Speaker 1: that year, he had twenty one points, twenty refound Channa
Speaker 1: fis and eight blocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a nets man in nets we had
Speaker 2: just swear and just swept.
Speaker 4: The next year before what that or whatever it wasn't
Speaker 4: next was like, you know, poor poor j Skied Richard Jefferson,
Speaker 4: that crew. You know, you were the beast in the East.
Speaker 4: But when it came to playing the teams used to
Speaker 4: wear it. He was just like, you like the legs
Speaker 4: and the clippers, You're just a little brother.
Speaker 2: So it was it was.
Speaker 4: They made it a good challenge. But if you go
Speaker 4: back and look at the East back then East was terrible. Man,
Speaker 4: they was god awful and so but Tim duncan though.
Speaker 4: That goes to show you when he wants to take over,
Speaker 4: he can take over man. He And the one thing
Speaker 4: I like about Tim when he comes to blocking shots,
Speaker 4: he didn't care if you dunked them here, Like, shit,
Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't have social media, I don't
Speaker 4: care what you say. You know, people in San Antonio
Speaker 4: gonna still about down to me. And you know most
Speaker 4: guys were shot away from trying to, you know, go
Speaker 4: up against the Venice car think you might get dunked on.
Speaker 2: They're like, no, I ain't challenging that. Tim didn't give
Speaker 2: a shit.
Speaker 4: He would try to challenge you anywhere to block it
Speaker 4: because he knew nine times out of ten he was
Speaker 4: gonna block.
Speaker 1: It and it's gonna start a fast break. All right,
Speaker 1: you're Mount rushmore teammates. You get four teammates on Mount rush,
Speaker 1: Well who you go with?
Speaker 2: Dream Shaq, Kobe Clyde took cloud over Timmy.
Speaker 4: You know what, this is the one of the things.
Speaker 4: You know, I love Timmy, but I'm going with Clyde Clyde,
Speaker 4: my boy dad. You know, sometimes personal feelings get in
Speaker 4: the way. Hey, I'm doing the Steve Kurr right now.
Speaker 4: I'm putting you know.
Speaker 2: Hey, but you know, people don't. I think people forget
Speaker 2: how good Cloud was.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: He took a kind of a back seat roll when
Speaker 1: he got to Houston. But but but Hortle Clyde Clyde,
Speaker 1: I remember him. I remember what he was dunking on
Speaker 1: everybody at five Slama Jam in the University of Houston.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but he used to Clyde used to elevate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: And another reason I put Tim in that because I remember,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm washing the Hall of Fame ceremony and
Speaker 4: I'm watching Ruy T getting inducted, and then Rudy T
Speaker 4: gave me a shout out for the Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: and they paying through the crowd, and Tim then clapped.
Speaker 4: So that's why I ain't nobody, because hey, I just
Speaker 4: said I thought it. Calls said, motherfucker, I said, you
Speaker 4: don't have some two thousand and five excuse about Yeah,
Speaker 4: you better get.
Speaker 2: Your clasps missing that damn Last night they go.
Speaker 1: Over Spurn, got some cap space. They gotta they gotta
Speaker 1: make Hey, they got Stephan Castle, the rookie of the year,
Speaker 1: Wimby with the previous rookie of the year, they got
Speaker 1: do they would you make the move for y?
Speaker 2: Honest? Would you try to package some pieces for y honest?
Speaker 2: That's the thing you got? You forgot about damn Fox.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: That's that's hard to say. I would because you can't
Speaker 4: pass them. Oh, I think that's gonna be the highest
Speaker 4: commanded this summer. Everybody's gonna wong with the Greek freak
Speaker 4: because he's that type of player. You know, I mentioned
Speaker 4: really how hard he played, So this is gonna be
Speaker 4: really interesting to see where he goes if Milwaukee want
Speaker 4: to give him up. But if I'm the if I'm
Speaker 4: the Spurs, we got the cast space to why not
Speaker 4: go after him because you know he'll love it there
Speaker 4: because he got a good One thing about the Spurs
Speaker 4: franchise is it's a good franchise. They're very humble franchised
Speaker 4: and you don't have to worry about a lot of
Speaker 4: outside know If you think about in LA and in
Speaker 4: the Chicago, New York there's a lot of outside knowing.
Speaker 2: So you being in Milwaukee are used to the outside.
Speaker 4: No, it's been at a minimum. So if you go
Speaker 4: to the Spurs, you're in the same thing. So I
Speaker 4: don't know if he wants that. I don't know if
Speaker 4: he wants, you know, be more. You know, I can't
Speaker 4: get no more notable in yours retreat. But does he
Speaker 4: want a bigger market