1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Welcome in the Wednesday edition, Clay Travis buck Sexton show. 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Jury Watch 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: is officially underway. What I would say to all of 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: you is, you never know when the verdict is now 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: going to come. The charge has been given by the judge. 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: The jury now is in the deliberation phase of the 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: New York City case. We have told you for some 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: time that we think the best case scenario is a 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: hung jury. There was a big piece written about how 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: anyone on the jury who is willing to not vote 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: to convict will become I saw an analogy made. I 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: don't know if you even get this analogy, Buck, but 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: you probably are familiar at least with the pop culture reference. 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: Do you remember Steve. 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: Bartman, the Chicago Cubs fan who reached out and accidentally 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: a foul ball. The Cubs then went on to lose 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: to the Marlins, And that was before the Cubs had 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: ever won a World Series, and Bartman became just an 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: absolute scapegoat for decades of Chicago Cubs failures, and he 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: couldn't even have a normal life in the Chicago area anymore. 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: He had to basically go into hiding I mean, it's crazy. 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: He was just a fan in these stands who touched 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 1: a foul ball that otherwise would have been potentially caught, 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: and then the Marlins go on to win the game, 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: win the series. So I saw an analogy already being 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: made that if there is one juror, or maybe multiple 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: jurors that refuse to convict, that they will immediately become 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: New York City's part man. That they will be they 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: will be sought after, they will be ridiculed, they will 30 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: be attacked, they will become persona non grada throughout the 31 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: whole city. You pointed this out as a New York 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: City guy that inevitably any juror who has the stone 33 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: to actually apply the law here and say there should 34 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: be a not guilty verdict and refuses to relent that 35 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: that would be something that might happen to them, so 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: that we will see, now, is there a juror who 37 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: will actually apply the law? Is there a juror who 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: is willing to stand up to the rig job the 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: kangaroo court that has been in effect. That clock is 40 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: now ticking, and Trump just came out of the courtroom 41 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: and addressed the assembled media and said a couple of 42 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: different things. We've got cuts for you. Here's the first. 43 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: He says, Mother Teresa couldn't beat these charges. Cut one, 44 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: I would. 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: Say, and listening to the charges from the judges, as 46 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 3: you know, very conflicted and corrus because of the confliction, 47 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: Very very correct. Mother Teresa could not beat these judges. 48 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: These charges are rigged. The whole thing is rigged, the 49 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: whole country's mess between the boarders and fake elections. And 50 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: you have a trial like this where the judge is 51 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: so conflicted he can't breathe. 52 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: He's got to do his job. And it's not for 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: me that I can tell you. 54 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: It's a disgrace, and I mean that Mother Dusa could 55 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: not be disjudge. But we'll see, we'll see how we do. 56 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 4: I think he's trying to manage expectations here a bit 57 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: that does not sound like a guy who believes that 58 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 4: there will be justice here, at least with a not 59 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 4: guilty verdict, which should be the outcome. Although it's almost 60 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 4: hard to say that because the outcome is actually or 61 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: should have been, that the judge threw it out. No, actually, 62 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: the outcome should have been that no prosecutor would ever 63 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 4: bring this. I mean you can just keep walking this back. 64 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 4: The whole thing is such an abuse, such a miscarriage 65 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 4: of justice. The fact that Trump has had to go 66 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: through this mental energy, the physical presence in the courtroom 67 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 4: in an election year is election interference. They have already 68 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 4: interfered illicitly in this election just by bringing this prosecution, 69 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 4: and now we await an outcome here and all of 70 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 4: the legal analysts, it's funny, you're actually not seeing that 71 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 4: many left wing legal analysts play who are out there 72 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 4: saying that this is a great prosecution or this is 73 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 4: they're really commenting. They're almost doing play by play. And 74 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: this is what the Libs will do when they know 75 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 4: that they can't make a real case about something. They're 76 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: kind of just telling people what's going on. Meanwhile, on 77 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 4: the right or anyone who's honest, because there are people 78 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 4: like Dershowitz who's not on the right, but who is 79 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 4: honest about this case. Everyone is just pulling their out 80 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 4: because it's so outrageous, and you're seeing merchand the judge 81 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 4: here is opening this up so that you can have 82 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 4: the members of the jury picking what they think would 83 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 4: be different crime praise. You don't have to agree on 84 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 4: what crime was committed the second. 85 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Crime that there's the they can you can have a 86 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: fluctuating decision on what the second crime is in terms 87 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: of guilt or And it's crazy. 88 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: I've never heard. 89 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 4: That the judge is trying to give the widest possible 90 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 4: justification to these jurors or for these jurors to come 91 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: to a guilty verdict. It's it couldn't be more clear 92 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: what's going on here. And I think that I'm still hopeful, 93 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 4: as I've said, I've I've predicted I'm not going to 94 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 4: change it now. I've predicted they're going to find him guilty, 95 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 4: although I think that will actually work the Trump's political benefit, 96 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 4: and I think a hung jury would work to Trump's 97 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: political benefit. But my concern here always has been if 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 4: you are a member of it. It was nice when 99 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: we had people call in like wait, but don't isn't 100 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 4: the judge going to be able to keep the names 101 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 4: of the jury secret? If this is a hung jury, 102 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: just mark my words, everyone, you will know the. 103 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: Name eob high school baseball position. 104 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 4: First name of his first hurry, I mean you will 105 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 4: know everything from the media within twenty four to forty 106 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 4: eight hours. Everything will come out right away about this person, 107 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 4: despite the judge's order, because the media will do everything 108 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 4: that they can to leverage the sources that they have 109 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 4: to get that information out there. 110 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: So just remember that I said that. 111 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 4: And the fact that we're even having to have this conversation, unfortunately, 112 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: is a failure. That's the part of this that I 113 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 4: find so depressing, Clay. It's a failure of the justice 114 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 4: system at this point, no matter what, and the people 115 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 4: there's such a shortsightedness in this from people on the 116 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 4: left who think that they're doing some sort of a 117 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 4: service here for democracy or however they justify to themselves 118 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 4: at night. They have set a precedent that can never 119 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 4: be undone which is not just bringing a case again, 120 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 4: holding and then bringing a case against a presidential candidate, 121 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: but bringing the flimsiest, most absurd, most rigged case I've 122 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: ever heard, thirty four felonies, Clay. I mean, the fact 123 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 4: that a prosecutor can look this courtroom in New York 124 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 4: City in the eye in a sense and say we're 125 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: charging this guy with thirty four felonies is is this 126 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 4: is like Kafka esque. I mean, this is Kessler's darkness 127 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 4: at noon this is some kind of of a horrifying 128 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: chapter you can't get out of your head from soul 129 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: Zanietzen and the Gulag Archipelago, Like, what are they doing here? 130 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: It's crazy? 131 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: And I would also point out that it's not benefiting 132 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: right now Biden politically. And they, I think scored a 133 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: devastating own goal on themselves yesterday, after not deciding to 134 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: have public availability press conferences outside of the courtroom on 135 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: the day when the true is finishing, they decided to 136 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: roll out Robert de Niro for one of the most 137 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: ridiculous press conferences I have seen in a very long time. 138 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: It directly connected the Biden Harris campaign to this case. 139 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: And Trump talked about de Niro just now out on 140 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: the front steps. Do you want an eighty year old 141 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: guy who is clearly suffering from Trump derangement syndrome to 142 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: become the face of the Biden Harris campaign. They made 143 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: that calculated choice. Here is Trump responding to De Niro 144 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: outside at the press conference. 145 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 3: And then they have a protest of Robert de Niro yesterday. 146 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: He's a fool, he said, broken down, fool standing out there. 147 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: He got Magganier, he got Maggot yesterday got a big 148 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: do oven. 149 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: That is you imagine this is so embarrassing to them, 150 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: who ever made the calculation to do that. We'll play 151 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: some of these cuts a little bit later for you, 152 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: because again, I think it's emblematic of a form of 153 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: desperation that's setting in their game plan. I think it's 154 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: fair for everybody out there to understand what their game 155 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: plan was. It was, we're going to make Trump the nominee. 156 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: They got exactly what they wanted. They wanted to knock 157 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: out DeSantis, they wanted to knock out Nikki Haley. Biden 158 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: and his team selected Trump as their opponent, and they 159 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: thought all this lawfair was going to guarantee that people 160 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: would not vote for Trump. They knew that it would. 161 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: I really think I'm curious if you would sign on 162 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: to this. They knew it would rally Republicans and likely 163 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: get Trump the nomination. But I think where this is 164 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: blowing up in their faces, it's actually rallied independence and 165 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: middle of the road voters at least so far to 166 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: be more likely to support Trump. And there are polls 167 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: that just keep coming out. One came out this morning 168 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: that had Virginia in a dead tie Biden won. This 169 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,119 Speaker 1: is Roanoke College, usually one of the most reliable Virginia pollsters. 170 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: They had Biden one by ten in Virginia and twenty twenty. 171 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: Right now it's an absolute dead heat, which is what 172 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign has been saying about their polling. And 173 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: I think this is all blown up in the Biden 174 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: team's face. And I felt like the DeNiro press conference 175 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: was evidence that they really don't know what to do 176 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: and that they're floundering. 177 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I always have to remind people I think, 178 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 4: or I remind myself by saying it. It's hard to 179 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 4: sometimes let yourself believe that the Democrats could miscalculate in 180 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 4: this way because we have a there's a standard, almost 181 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: reflexive Oh they're playing four D chess. Oh they're so, 182 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: Yes they're nefarious, Yes they're unprincipled. Yes they will cheat, 183 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean that their genius is right. I mean, 184 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 4: this is actually something we used to have to think 185 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 4: about when I was dealing with terrorists and the CIA 186 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 4: back in the day. I'm not saying the Democrats are terrorists, 187 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: but you get what I mean. Sometimes they're just idiots 188 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 4: that do an own goal. Sometimes they actually just make 189 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 4: huge blunders. Twenty sixteen, it was the It was the 190 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 4: Democrat media and party consensus that putting Donald Trump on 191 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 4: TV was laughable, got great ratings, and Hillary was going 192 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 4: to walk away with the whole thing. It was an 193 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: enormous miscalculation, right, and they learned a bit. I think 194 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 4: for twenty twenty. This time around, the consensus opinion was 195 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 4: We're just going to defeat him with the system that 196 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 4: he tried to overturn. That's how they say it. And 197 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 4: I think that there's the possibility. We don't know yet, 198 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 4: we won't know until the election day, but there is 199 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 4: the possibility, and I do believe it is creeping up 200 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: in the minds of these Democrats Clay that this might 201 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 4: have been an enormous blunder, an enormous miscalculation, meaning the 202 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: law fair against Trump. Yes, it's great for the MSNBC audience, 203 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: although I think they may be disappointed when they see 204 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 4: what ends up happening in the polls too. But for 205 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 4: people that are not completletly diluted and brainwashed, no, this 206 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 4: is too much. This is wrong, and I. 207 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: Would argue it hasn't even been great for CNN and MSNBC. 208 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: It's not as if their ratings on television have skyrocketed 209 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: during this trial. I think so much of this information 210 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: was already out there. The lack of video of the 211 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: trial diluted the drama in a substantial way, and they've 212 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: been relegated on CNN to doing dramatic readings of the 213 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: testimony for substantial periods of time, which has not redounded 214 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: to CNN's benefit. They had the lowest ratings they've had 215 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: in over thirty years. I think the problem they're running 216 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: into is it's the same story and people have already 217 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: bought into what they believe one way or the other. 218 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: I think they also stepped into the Trump bear trap. 219 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 4: Remember those old cartoon characters that stepped on the bear trap. 220 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think they stepped into the Trump bear 221 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 4: trap again insofar as they thought that the trial was 222 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 4: going to be an opportunity to malign and mock Trump. 223 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 4: But by far the most interesting and memorable thing about 224 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 4: this trial has been one that they're actually doing this 225 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 4: because it looks crazy, and two Trump press conferences impromptu 226 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 4: effectively every day at the courthouse and telling the American people, Hey, 227 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 4: this is what's going on. Isn't this nuts. No one 228 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 4: is seeing this who is a Biden voter before? And 229 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 4: I think this is where they really have a problem. 230 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 4: If you are a Biden voter before, you see this 231 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 4: and you think this is justice, democracy, whatever. But if 232 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 4: you are not somebody who was arnadying the tank for 233 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 4: Joe Biden, there is zero chance you have watched these 234 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 4: proceedings in New York City with any focus or attention 235 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: whatsoever and come away saying, yeah, now I'm a Biden 236 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 4: p litter. 237 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? 238 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: No one's switching there, no one's changing their mind based 239 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 4: on this one. 240 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: And in fact, we'll play some of this data for you. 241 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: But even CNN is having to acknowledge what the polls 242 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: have shown, which is, since they started this trial, Trump 243 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: has actually increased his lead over Joe Biden in the 244 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: national poll sample and in it, far from like it 245 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: tearing him down, it's actually ended up elevating him, which 246 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: makes sense. 247 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 4: We'll take some of your calls on this as well, 248 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 4: and eight hundred two eight two two eight a two 249 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 4: light him up. 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Find 279 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 5: it on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts. 280 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: So how's it going for the communists these days? Well, 281 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 4: let's check check it in on the communists. These networks, 282 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 4: CNN and their data guy crunching the numbers on what 283 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 4: this trial has done for Trump's support, and it's. 284 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: Not what the comedies we're hoping for. 285 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 6: Play preopening statements, think Trump did something illegal forty six 286 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 6: percent after the direct examination of Michael Combe by the prosecution. 287 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 6: Look at where we are now forty six percent. Most 288 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 6: Americans don't really care that much so closely following news 289 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 6: about economy inflation, that's number one. It's sixty five percent. 290 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 6: Look at immigration fifty two percent. Election legitimacy forty nine percent, 291 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 6: abortion forty seven percent. 292 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: All the way. 293 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 6: Down on this list of issues tested by the IPSOS 294 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 6: Knowledge Panel is Trump's court cases at forty two percent, 295 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 6: significantly less than economy inflation. The fact is, when we're 296 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 6: looking at these numbers, what we see as Americans minds 297 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 6: aren't changing. And a big reason why Americans minds aren't 298 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 6: changing is at this particular point, they are tuned out 299 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 6: of the conversation. The Biden vers Trump marchin perhaps not 300 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 6: a big surprise. Donald Trump had a slight lead before 301 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 6: the trial began. 302 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: Now he continues to have a. 303 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: Slight lead, so no surprise there. The trial is both 304 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 4: boring and absurd, and that's not a good look if 305 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 4: you're hoping that it's going to damage President Trump in 306 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: the eyes of voters. 307 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: Also, they if they come out with a verdict and 308 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: they have the case right now, it's going to arrive 309 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: in Memorial Day week, which is probably one of the 310 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: least news paying attention two weeks of the year. It 311 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: already hasn't cut through and made a big impact. And 312 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: now you're telling me when many people are on vacation 313 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: and when many people have taken time off of work 314 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: and they aren't dialed in. This to me is also 315 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: the worst possible timing for Joe Biden to even get 316 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: a conviction against Trump. If it happens and again the 317 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: jury has the case, we will update you the minute 318 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: that we hear that they have reached a verdict. They 319 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: are going to be deliberating until four point thirty Eastern today, 320 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: and then we'll start back up tomorrow as needed. Look, 321 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: I watched last night. 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We were just talking about off air. 338 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: I still cannot believe that the Biden administration spent this 339 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: entire trial trying to pretend they had absolutely nothing to 340 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: do with it, didn't care at all about the results, 341 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: weren't involved. And then yesterday, on the day that the 342 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: closing arguments are being made by the prosecution and by 343 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: the defense, and the day that effectively the trial moves 344 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: from the courtroom to the jury's deliberations, they decided they 345 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: suddenly needed to have a press conference. And they didn't 346 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: just have a press conference. They brought in Robert de Niro, 347 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: eighty year old actor wearing a mask outdoors in late 348 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: May when it's eighty degrees in New York City. They 349 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: get completely drown out by MAGA counter protesters. De Niro 350 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: gets angry and is screaming threats. It's so incompetent that 351 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: even morning Joe which is the default Pravda of the 352 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: Democrat Party. Mika Brazenski comes out and confronts the Biden 353 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: Harris spokesperson on MSNBC and says, Hey, this didn't feel 354 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: right to me. Listen to this cut that happened on 355 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: that show that Biden starts every morning watching. 356 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 7: Joining us now. Communications director for the Biden Harris campaign 357 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 7: Michael Tyler, who, as we mentioned, also spoke at the 358 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 7: news conference outside the courthouse. I guess I have to 359 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 7: ask you why you decided to speak there and to 360 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 7: have the campaign show up at the courthouse. 361 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. 362 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 7: It doesn't feel right to me at all. 363 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 8: Well, good morning, and thank you for having me. We 364 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 8: showed up there because the news media has been incessantly 365 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 8: posted up there day in and day out for weeks, 366 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 8: and so, as we said last week, we are going 367 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 8: to use the next month to talk about the upcoming 368 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 8: presidential debate in Atlanta, of things that Donald Trump is 369 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 8: going to have to answer for. 370 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 4: This is an admission. What they did is an admission 371 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 4: that their strategy of ignoring the trial failed. It looks pathetic, 372 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 4: It looks desperate at the very end to have spokespersons 373 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 4: deployed to this trial who are supposed to be what 374 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 4: adding to the already obvious law fair narrative that Donald 375 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 4: Trump has done something terrible. I don't think that anybody 376 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 4: buys it. I don't think that anybody thinks that. 377 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: This is effective. 378 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 4: I mean even Democrats recognize, but there's not much I 379 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 4: think that they're able to do here at this stage 380 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 4: because it hasn't worked, right. I mean, that's the other 381 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 4: part of this. We just talked about the data. People 382 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 4: are not looking at this trial going, oh my gosh, 383 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 4: President Trump is going to be a felon because this 384 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 4: is absurd. 385 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: You know. 386 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 4: One thing, Clay I also wanted to point out, and 387 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 4: this is getting a lot of attention, like any McCarthy's 388 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 4: been on TV talking about it. We'll talk to him 389 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 4: later this week, probably Jonathan Turley, a bunch of others, 390 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 4: and they're all I mentioned this, how they don't have 391 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 4: to agree on It's crazy what the crime is they 392 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 4: are instructed by, They are instructed by the judge here 393 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 4: merchand that they can disagree about the crime committed for 394 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 4: this secondary crime, right, what the federal crime is, and 395 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 4: they can still be treated as a unanimous verdict. I mean, 396 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 4: this is what Turley said. He said merchand delivered the 397 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: coupdi grass instruction. He said that there's no need to 398 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 4: agree on what occurred. They can disagree on what the 399 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 4: crime was among the three choices. Thus, this means they 400 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 4: could split four four four and he will still treat 401 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 4: them as unanimous. Now, let's just be clear. That's insane. 402 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 4: That's a rigged instruction. And then on top of it, 403 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 4: and this is almost I've said this before, but it's 404 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 4: really I don't know why this hasn't gotten more attention, Clay. 405 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 4: This is the prosecutors are required to prove that honor 406 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 4: about February fourteenth, twenty seventeen, President Trump made or caused 407 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 4: to be made a false entry in a business enterprise. 408 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 4: How can he be part of a conspiracy to affect 409 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 4: an election in twenty sixteen with a business entry in 410 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: February of twenty seventeen the election is over? Yeah, how 411 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 4: can you commit and after the fact election crime of 412 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 4: influencing an election? This would be like saying the referee 413 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 4: was paid off for the super Bowl weeks after the 414 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 4: super Bowl happened, and there was no contact before that. 415 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: Like, it makes no sense like the Super Bowl is 416 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 2: already over. How can they do this? 417 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: Well, they're trying to argue that the October agreement was 418 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: when there was one hundred and thirty thousand dollars agreed 419 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: to be paid, represented the UH represented the agreement that Trump, 420 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: and then it wasn't papered until February. The problem is, 421 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 1: as I see it twofold one, it has to be 422 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt. And the entire case effectively relies 423 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: on Michael Cohen's testimony that Trump knew what the payment 424 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: was for and that he specifically authorized it with the 425 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: almost sole intent to avoid this story coming out and 426 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: therefore have an impact on the twenty sixteen election. 427 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 4: But the Clay then they should be charged. Why is 428 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: the charge not conspiracy because the conspiracy would have begun 429 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 4: with the agreement before the election. 430 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. 431 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: The time, I think the answer were I think the 432 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: answer from their is they don't want to rely on 433 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: a crime that Michael Cohen was directly involved in, because 434 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: then the conspiracy is entirely related to Cohen. I think, look, 435 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: this is but it's still entirely related to Cohen without 436 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: the phone call and him explaining what Trump's instructions were. 437 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: They got nothing. 438 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: I don't disagree, which is why I think it's beyond 439 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt. But what they're trying to argue is 440 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: the business records are the reflection of the agreement entered 441 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: into inuntil late October. Yeah, they're arguing the business records 442 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: are effectively a codification of an illegal conspiracy. 443 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 4: But my point is they're not charging the conspiracy. I 444 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 4: get it, which is I guess which is which is why? 445 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 4: But and so that's point one. I think that there 446 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 4: is reasonable doubt. And also I think you could argue 447 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 4: that it can't be a conspiracy because if the illegal 448 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 4: act was only the registering of those, they could have decided. 449 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying, they could have decided after election. 450 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 4: You know what, we should put this down as a 451 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 4: campaign expense. 452 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: Well, I think to your point, the biggest issue is 453 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: the payment's not illegal, like you can pay hushing. I 454 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: get it. Well, technically, technically the business records and the 455 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: way they are recorded could be a misdemeanor. The problem 456 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: is that statute of limitations passed. The craziest thing to 457 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: me about this entire case, and there are many things 458 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: clearly there's reasonable doubt. But the fact that they have 459 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: never been required to definitively say what the second crime 460 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: is is unbelievable to me, because you can't defend yourself adequately. 461 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: They allowed, my understanding, and one of you lawyers out 462 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: there that's listening, I've never even heard of this happening. 463 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: They allowed the government to plead three potential second crimes, 464 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: which justified the elevation of the misdemeanor to a fell, 465 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: but they did it require them to specify which of 466 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: the three was. Meaning now, in the jury instructions, he's saying, 467 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: each juror can believe that there was a violation of 468 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: one of three different crimes. 469 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 4: You don't have to be a lawyer to know that 470 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 4: the entire house of cards falls down based on none 471 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 4: of those other crimes have been Not only have they 472 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 4: been failed to be proven, they haven't even been charged. 473 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 4: You can't suffer legal consequences of a you know, you 474 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 4: can't extend a statute of limitations. You can't send someone 475 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 4: to prison longer on the theory that they did some 476 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 4: other crime in addition to the crime that you're saying, right, 477 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 4: this would be no different. Then I'm being charged with murder, 478 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 4: and they say, well, you could get ten years, but 479 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 4: we're gonna give you twenty years because of that robbery 480 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: we say you did ten years ago. You say, well, 481 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 4: hold on, you haven't even charged me with robbery. Yeah, 482 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 4: we're extending your sentence anyway. 483 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: You can't do that. I think that's crazy. 484 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: Also, there is I think no intent proven on the 485 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: second crime. This is where I come in on. I 486 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: think that they made a pretty good argument. I think 487 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: there should be a juror two that's persuaded by this. 488 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: Even if you believe everything, even if you believe Cohen, 489 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: even if you focus on the fraudulent business records and 490 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: you believe all of that, this case, I think it's 491 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: very legit to say that Trump paid the money entirely 492 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: for his own private relationship because he didn't want Milania 493 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: to hear that he might have slept with a porn star. 494 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: Is there listen to me right now, everybody out there, 495 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: Is there a single married man listening to us right 496 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: now in the entire country that whether it was true or. 497 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: False, this is you're purpose to wake up tomorrow and read. 498 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 9: This, even beyond the the personal purpose of this, that 499 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 9: this could be for the business record again, going on this, 500 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 9: I think the fact that they're charging something, they're they're 501 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 9: basically charging somebody with trying to fix the election after 502 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 9: the election happened, because there was an agreement that later 503 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 9: on they would write down and it's insane. 504 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 4: Okay, this is crazy people talk. Nobody would do this. 505 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 4: It makes no sense. Put that aside for a second. 506 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: If they wanted to, Let's say they wanted to avoid 507 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 4: that charge. Let's say that they had this big conspiracy 508 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 4: and they're gonna lie about a Stormy Daniel's NDA payment 509 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 4: situation and they didn't want to they didn't want to 510 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 4: face the big, bad, scary situation they're in right now, 511 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: and they use so they listed it as a campaign expenditure. 512 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 4: Then they would have been in a position where they 513 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 4: should have paid this with campaign funds, which would clearly 514 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: be treated as a violation of campaign finance laws. They 515 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 4: have created an out of the frying pan, into the fryer, 516 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: into the fire, sorry situation. And and that's also inherently 517 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 4: to say it's unconstant tuistole is actually to get too 518 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 4: deep into it. It's just clearly unjust. I mean, this 519 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 4: is this is immoral what they're doing. It falls apart 520 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 4: on every level. This is the most absurd criminal case 521 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 4: I have ever heard of in my life. I've never 522 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 4: heard of any and I've heard some you know, some 523 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 4: guys federal law they were prosecuting so many years ago. 524 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 4: He was fishing and I think he wrapped up the 525 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 4: lobster and paper instead of plastic, and like that's a 526 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 4: violation of some federal trade law. 527 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: Like you know, there are little rinky ding things. 528 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 4: But this is the most obvious abuse of statutory interpretation 529 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 4: for political purposes I've ever seen with anything in my life. 530 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: And nothing else is even close, which is. 531 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: Why I am. I would be stunned. Now it's going 532 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: to take a couple of years. I think it's all 533 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: going to get tossed. This entire case is going to 534 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: go in the dumpster fire. But that's why you know 535 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: it's one hundred percent political related, because when that ultimate 536 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: vindication comes, it might be twenty twenty six, it might 537 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: be twenty twenty seven, and the Biiden team will have 538 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: gotten the bite at the felony apple that they wanted. Now, 539 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: as we go to break just I want everybody to 540 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: think about this. The numbers are not reflecting that this 541 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: is working in Biden's favor. I actually think buck that 542 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: this has destroyed his preserved democracy argument, which was, for 543 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: better or worse, one of the reasons the hooks that 544 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: so many people were willing to bite to vote for 545 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty. 546 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 4: And I also say this again to anybody of normal 547 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 4: emotional stability and intelligence and above, it looks cowardly for 548 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 4: Biden because all of this can be solved. If Trump 549 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 4: is a threat to democracy, if Trump is the end 550 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 4: of the republic, if he's such a monster and all 551 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 4: these bad things, let the American people decide. 552 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: Beat him, beat him. 553 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, if Joe Biden was a real man, you know 554 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 4: what he'd say, guys, none of this legal stuff. He 555 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 4: should have pardoned Trump. We talked about it. I've said 556 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 4: for a hard number of the federal crimes and said, 557 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 4: I'm going to beat that punk Manda man at the pole, 558 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 4: because that's how we do it in America. 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Coffee just 631 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 4: the beginning, many many other things coming down the line 632 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 4: as well. Also The New York Times trying really hard 633 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 4: to go after justice Alito. We're gonna dive into this. 634 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 4: Why are they making such a big deal about flags 635 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 4: at his property at two of his properties from years ago? 636 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 4: Right now, we'll answer that question. But we have Brian 637 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 4: in Ohio. 638 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 2: What's up? Brian? 639 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 10: Hey, guys, got a quick question for you, just get 640 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 10: your opinion on this. I'm wondering, how is history going 641 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 10: to record all this that's happening. There's been so much 642 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 10: going on here. 643 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 2: I mean, well, the history can I tell you? 644 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 4: Can I jump in, Brian, because I think it's a 645 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 4: very a very good question. But depends who I think. 646 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 4: That's going to be a big part of how history 647 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 4: is going to record this trial. Depends on who win. 648 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: I also think, and this is why I've been so 649 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: disappointed by a lot of modern day historians. John Meetchim, 650 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: Michael Beschlos, the guys who go on to MSNBC on 651 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: a day to day basis. Historians are typically good at 652 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: telling you why something matters one hundred years after it matters, 653 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: because you can see the larger picture and see the 654 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: overall impact of a presidency or an event. I think 655 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: it depends on when you're asking. I think twenty years 656 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: from now it'll still be a fifty to fifty issue. 657 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: I think one hundred years from now, if Trump gets 658 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: re elected and has a successful second term, Biden will 659 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: look like he was on the wrong side of history. 660 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: But the problem is most of us will be dead 661 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: before right and wrong of much of history is ever determined. 662 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: That's what history teaches me.