Speaker 1: On today's episode The Command Center Podcast, we talked about
Speaker 1: the new Director of Player Personnel, David Blackburn. We talk
Speaker 1: about OTAs, do they matter, do they not matter? What
Speaker 1: did we try to get out of them? And we
Speaker 1: talk about our starting five NFL players that could play
Speaker 1: in the NBA right now, and there's tons of story
Speaker 1: time and Fred for Heisman, Smoot for Heisman. It all
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Speaker 1: to the show. One thing we were talking about before
Speaker 1: we started is your guys draft class. Yes, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you said how many Hall of Famers are in your
Speaker 1: draft class?
Speaker 2: We got securely right now, four to five, probably like
Speaker 2: five more on Dick.
Speaker 1: And so it's really funny because we've did something about
Speaker 1: your draft class earlier, and so who were some names
Speaker 1: from your draft class? Just real quickly, let's start with receiver.
Speaker 1: Let's start with receivers.
Speaker 3: So many receivers.
Speaker 4: So if I just start off from the first round
Speaker 4: and to the you know, just names that I know of.
Speaker 3: We had David.
Speaker 4: Robinson, uh, your boy who was here, Rodart, and myself.
Speaker 3: Steve Johnson.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that the guys that are really
Speaker 1: good were the guys that were picked later.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm well Chris, Chris Chambers.
Speaker 4: We talked about Christian Chamber. We had this a speedy
Speaker 4: punk returner too well, I mean Dante Hall Dante.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So was this like, I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. What was your class? Like it
Speaker 1: feels like just once on some of those names kind
Speaker 1: of generational.
Speaker 3: It was generational.
Speaker 4: We changed the league runs. I mean, even I think
Speaker 4: about it. I came in as a first round pick
Speaker 4: at five to nine ye five nine and a half,
Speaker 4: and they were saying that at the time that I
Speaker 4: was too short to even be a top ten pick.
Speaker 4: They didn't see a guy my size coming in being
Speaker 4: a top ten pick. Guys who went who went the
Speaker 4: top ten, core In Robinson, David Terrell, and even all
Speaker 4: the guys who went in front of me, Rod Gardner,
Speaker 4: those guys were all taller, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So when me and Steve Smith was able to be
Speaker 4: successful as fire because I think both of us hit
Speaker 4: it our same year. I know Steve seime out the gate.
Speaker 4: He was a Pro Bowl as a special teamer the season,
Speaker 4: but as a receiver. If I'm not mistaken, don't quote me.
Speaker 4: I remember I had my first thousand yards in year three.
Speaker 4: That was the year two of me playing. Didn't play
Speaker 4: my first year Steve. If I'm not mistaken, Jason might
Speaker 4: have to pull us up. He either had one thousand
Speaker 4: yards either year two or year three as well.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you think about it.
Speaker 4: If you think about it, us at that size primarily
Speaker 4: outside we slots. We didn't play in the slot, we
Speaker 4: lay it outside. It changed the whole spectrum of how
Speaker 4: they view guys, you know, smaller receivers coming to the league.
Speaker 3: So and not all just odditist. You got me skinny corner.
Speaker 2: Then you got Michael Vick, not the tallest quarterback, but
Speaker 2: he runner for two forty. You got you got Drew Brees,
Speaker 2: who's don't fit any numbers, too short. So we had
Speaker 2: some oddities in our class that we had Steve Hutchinson
Speaker 2: at the office of line like we had office of Lineman.
Speaker 4: We had all kinds like douce mcalla stuff tom So,
Speaker 4: We Travis Henry, Richard Seymour, Richard Seymour, Big Mark Strode,
Speaker 4: big Bore name from Florida. We had Alex Brown, Alex
Speaker 4: Brown not just d lineman from which one from Florida
Speaker 4: had that was Alex Brown Brown? Oh you talking about
Speaker 4: big Boy played Detawn He played detached, was it? Huh huh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Big Jur I mean Jered Ward. And we had
Speaker 3: Dan Morgan.
Speaker 4: Morgan came class.
Speaker 1: So obviously these names are they're lost on me because
Speaker 1: I'm too young. But if you if you are familiar
Speaker 1: with these names, you're like, man, that dude was sick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: was sick, had.
Speaker 4: Had great season, like they was great career, great, great careers.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Todd Heap is wild.
Speaker 1: That's a wild one. I mean just like because that
Speaker 1: he was like maybe the best of the position, like
Speaker 1: LT was maybe the best position Steve Smith to mention Chad.
Speaker 3: Johnson, Michael Vie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the whole thing. It's just it's so.
Speaker 3: Weird kind of tackle.
Speaker 1: When you kind of tie it all back to the
Speaker 1: same draft class. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: just wild.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You were talking about a Heisman class too, right, was it?
Speaker 1: You were seventh in the seven? You were not nine.
Speaker 1: There's no way you were.
Speaker 4: I believe Chris Winky won our class. So Chris Winky
Speaker 4: was also Chris with us. Yeah, Chris Winky came out
Speaker 4: that year also with I mean that just he won
Speaker 4: the Heisman that year. I believe big with second or third.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know so, I just think it's so crazy
Speaker 1: how like the guys that were drafted really high, like
Speaker 1: weren't necessarily like.
Speaker 3: The bit you know what I'm saying, It's never like
Speaker 3: that it never drafted.
Speaker 1: I always think that that's why like having good scouts
Speaker 1: and good people in the building.
Speaker 4: Super I'm glad you spoke about that, because that was
Speaker 4: if I had one thing I always thought about throughout
Speaker 4: my career was owning up to where I was drafted.
Speaker 4: So you know, like it was like enough, that was
Speaker 4: one of the things that hunted me. I can't say
Speaker 4: it hunted me, but I thought about it every day
Speaker 4: really because I got hurt out the gate.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I got hurt before I played a game in the NFL.
Speaker 4: So to not have that season and see everybody else playing,
Speaker 4: you know, think about the snoop minus. Also I was
Speaker 4: I remember having my brace on my my thing, my
Speaker 4: my true rookie season.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting on the shoe.
Speaker 4: Huh. I had a lateral niscus t I tore so
Speaker 4: much that did so what we did was back then
Speaker 4: they wanted to carve me on to have me back
Speaker 4: out there for four weeks. I went home for a
Speaker 4: second opinion. I came back with surgery already because my
Speaker 4: guy told me, say, Tanna, if I sing you back
Speaker 4: up there, you're probably last six years. If that you say,
Speaker 4: if I save your meniscus right now, they're gonna be
Speaker 4: mad with you. I'm gonna give you a longer you know,
Speaker 4: career dude playing.
Speaker 1: I will say this, the way they used to do meniscus, yeah,
Speaker 1: was is now looking back on it crazy just straight
Speaker 1: slipped out and keep it moving and it's like you're
Speaker 1: just straight bone on bone.
Speaker 4: So so it's so crazy that we're talking about it.
Speaker 4: Because even with me having a surgery after the season,
Speaker 4: I had to have another surgery because a piece of
Speaker 4: it didn't attach, so I was had a body floating
Speaker 4: floating in there to where so I had two surgeries
Speaker 4: before I even got a chance to play football.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, that's wild man, But
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't realize because you're a guy to
Speaker 1: me that like you're pretty chill. Yeah, but like that
Speaker 1: that dug at you, I.
Speaker 4: Dug it man bothered me. And that's why I said
Speaker 4: I was so amy about my preper erration. That's what
Speaker 4: made me the guy. I mean, I was already him
Speaker 4: far as getting ready to prepare, you know, preparing myself
Speaker 4: for each season. But I was more on that than
Speaker 4: anything because I didn't want to be a failure at
Speaker 4: being a first round pick.
Speaker 1: You're Santana Moss without that adversity.
Speaker 3: Now everything needs to happen.
Speaker 4: Everything happened for a reason, bro, Like if you saw,
Speaker 4: if you saw how I got here, what they had
Speaker 4: for me, if you saw how I got here, that's
Speaker 4: a that alone made me who I am.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, so Fred, so Tanna
Speaker 1: is telling this heartfelt story.
Speaker 4: Was really you got Fred.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can put this on the screen,
Speaker 1: but like, it's a picture of Fred forre Heisman.
Speaker 3: Let me see. I don't know where you found it.
Speaker 3: Made this yourself. I took a picture of it. It
Speaker 3: was to be aboard.
Speaker 4: I told you it was deuce for Heisman. It was
Speaker 4: deuce for Heisman, and it was smooth for I tell y'all.
Speaker 4: One thing though, man, being that I played Wade in
Speaker 4: Miami and didn't know nothing about no other conference but
Speaker 4: the Big East, which I was in the A c
Speaker 4: C because Florida State was in and SEC because.
Speaker 3: Florida was in that.
Speaker 4: I heard smooth name so much, man, so he ran
Speaker 4: our college for four years. I was there. You heard
Speaker 4: Fred Smooth doing something so Fred was that dude.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's too young, too young. What I had going on?
Speaker 4: Fred backed it up, man heat. He talked a lot
Speaker 4: of junk, but he went out there and played some
Speaker 4: good football.
Speaker 1: Man, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And I played it.
Speaker 1: So you're no no no bs.
Speaker 3: No bs. I was hyped up coming out of college.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I was very That's why I believe we're just checking.
Speaker 1: He said. He was very specific about it. No listen,
Speaker 1: I was that boy. I know you young, that boy,
Speaker 1: I know you young. Well, I can't say that because
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything in college.
Speaker 4: My generation was Yeah, if you say cornerback, they're gonna
Speaker 4: bring my name up. So you know how like you
Speaker 4: go to Like I told you, we already shared this
Speaker 4: story about us going to the Playball American and the
Speaker 4: way you know, when guys respect guys, they gonna respect
Speaker 4: guy who they feel like he got something. I knew
Speaker 4: fred name before I got up there. I'm like this,
Speaker 4: damn Fred smooth, and he showed.
Speaker 3: Me love out the gates. I said, Okay, that's respect.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 4: But I heard him talk that everybody else you're gonna have.
Speaker 1: To bleep that. It's not surprising, but I was.
Speaker 3: Laughing to myself. I knew all things about him. I
Speaker 3: had to stunter of them all.
Speaker 4: Like fred was telling people their whole background, what they
Speaker 4: can do, what they can't do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh Freddie Millers, you only can do this, see you.
Speaker 3: They got to give you the ball. See you can't.
Speaker 4: You can't run rounds like I'm boy down in Miami.
Speaker 3: After you and I'm sitting there like, man, who is
Speaker 3: he can't run round Like? But if you throw on
Speaker 3: the screen, didn't turn it into a touchdown?
Speaker 1: You're doing that on purpose? Or is that just how
Speaker 1: you work?
Speaker 3: That's just how I am. Bro.
Speaker 4: He just was like he wasn't trying to get on
Speaker 4: your skull.
Speaker 1: He just was talking.
Speaker 3: That's why I tell him.
Speaker 4: I say, Bro, I know your cousins hated you when
Speaker 4: they was growing up. He say, the only child, so
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to see him. I'm one of my
Speaker 4: grandma house.
Speaker 3: I got to see him. I'm just sitting on the.
Speaker 1: What we got, Jason uh.
Speaker 5: A good season in two thousand with Mississippi State.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and one, No, it would be two thousand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you had five interceptions and you didn't give up
Speaker 5: a touchdown.
Speaker 3: That dude, man, pretty good that was coming. That's coming
Speaker 3: off a junior year which I had a bettle joy?
Speaker 1: Was he really there for the husband?
Speaker 3: Was that? Can we like?
Speaker 5: I don't know, I'll search that.
Speaker 3: Can we like? I just showed you.
Speaker 1: All that, all that It was just cursed all that
Speaker 1: stuff you just showed me. I thought you could have
Speaker 1: made that yourself. I did.
Speaker 4: I did hold on holding the crazy part about it.
Speaker 4: This is not script. We didn't. We didn't come in
Speaker 4: here and saying we were gonna talk about he got
Speaker 4: it already because his history you gotta give you got
Speaker 4: to give him a benefit.
Speaker 3: I just thank you, man, because you was the office
Speaker 3: of But I was closer to that.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't close to anything like I know exactly
Speaker 1: what I was. I was. I'm just happy to be here, man,
Speaker 1: Just happy to sit in between two great football players.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. Also, Teddy you you said something crazy?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And Fred you this is true right what he said
Speaker 1: about him being what was it?
Speaker 4: So? I was, I was the biggest offense and player
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 1: Year, and you're the only person, the only person to
Speaker 1: ever do that.
Speaker 4: First and last weeks no longer.
Speaker 1: Have a and the other person you shared the offensive
Speaker 1: player with was Michael Mike classmates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I knew you were I knew you guys were both beasts.
Speaker 1: But like when you hear stuff like that, you're like,
Speaker 1: and bro.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you the truth and the whole thing
Speaker 4: about this, even leading up to the whole Heisman thing.
Speaker 4: This is fact you. You gonna ask me to save case.
Speaker 4: You know we have to fact cha on this show.
Speaker 3: Nobody just tell the show.
Speaker 4: Bush Davis called me into the office going into my
Speaker 4: senior years. It's the summer. We got there train and
Speaker 4: bust out behind. He was like, hey, man, I just
Speaker 4: want to let you know. You know we're you're gonna
Speaker 4: take this. You got to take this magazine cover because
Speaker 4: you're up for the Heisman this year. And I was
Speaker 4: like no, He's like, what you mean No? I was like, Man,
Speaker 4: don't want that. I don't want to take the picture.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be up for the high means.
Speaker 3: Like was it the ESPN magazine.
Speaker 4: I'm not even sure what it was, but I know
Speaker 4: I remember I remember being on it and doing a
Speaker 4: move and he was like, Bro, this is good for
Speaker 4: the school. It's gonna bring us attention. But I'm superstitious,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, man by, get on these cousin. Something
Speaker 4: happened and out the gate. I twisted my ankle the
Speaker 4: first game of the season, so.
Speaker 3: Here I am, and it bothered me.
Speaker 4: Like he told me. We had a little saying. Coach
Speaker 4: Davis told one of our trainers, if Tanna could walk,
Speaker 4: he's playing. So I played the next four or five
Speaker 4: games that season limping, limping, and I remember they was
Speaker 4: writing me off in the play all Tanner having the
Speaker 4: worst senior season. I'm like, I'm not getting any passes.
Speaker 4: I'm out here to be a decoy. So we can't
Speaker 4: double Reggie, you understand. And I remember I went home
Speaker 4: and my trainer told me. He said, look, bro, he
Speaker 4: would give me treatment every day and he said, Tanna,
Speaker 4: in five weeks, you're gonna feel like yourself. And he
Speaker 4: put on the he circled the game. He said, look
Speaker 4: what game we have in five or six weeks. It
Speaker 4: was Florida State. So I went home and I'm praying.
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, I just want to be half of myself.
Speaker 4: Florida State week, I go out there and I had
Speaker 4: that hundred yards and if y'all want to know why
Speaker 4: I was emotional when I said, big time player step
Speaker 4: up in big games. I was emotional because you heard
Speaker 4: I said, I say, you know a freak. All the
Speaker 4: criticism for big time players step up in big games.
Speaker 4: I was getting criticized for being hurt, like I couldn't
Speaker 4: get I couldn't get off.
Speaker 3: I wasn't doing nothing. I was just out there. So
Speaker 3: they were saying, oh, he's not doing anything. It's his
Speaker 3: senior year.
Speaker 4: And that was the game. I had one hundred yards
Speaker 4: and I didn't look back.
Speaker 1: Then still the seventh of the Hetman voting, and then
Speaker 1: Fred was nice.
Speaker 3: Yes, because you don't believe.
Speaker 2: I think you don't believe in the in the allure
Speaker 2: of a young Fred smooth, like the college free.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you get a picture of it, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it.
Speaker 4: Ain't so crazy though, because Fred came with a lot
Speaker 4: of hype and it was almost like the mic, not
Speaker 4: the Mike Vic but the Lebron James, Like when you
Speaker 4: see somebody's like, all right, damn, this dude supposed to
Speaker 4: be all world out out out of there, and then
Speaker 4: you see him, I doesn't I'm watching him on Sports Center,
Speaker 4: Fred move on. I'm like this playing he can really play,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So, but then to get
Speaker 4: in the same building with him, Oh my god. I
Speaker 4: was just like, if I had to hear this, dude, man,
Speaker 4: I hope it comes off a different way. And I'm all,
Speaker 4: I take that kind of stuff that chatter wrong most
Speaker 4: of the time. But he's a good person, So I
Speaker 4: never took it that way.
Speaker 3: From him, and and that little challenges.
Speaker 2: So I always went out to like, if you they
Speaker 2: tell me this to best received, I want to work
Speaker 2: out with it. Like that was my theme that, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Don't know how good this source is, uh, but you
Speaker 5: didn't ask me anything. On Reddit eight years ago, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and someone commented one there that they were a student
Speaker 5: at Mississippi State when you were there and they had
Speaker 5: a smooth for heiasman bumper stick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because all the whole campus they wanted you to sign. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that made the whole campus, made them. I believe that
Speaker 3: it's out there.
Speaker 5: Some dude said it's out there, so there's at least
Speaker 5: a campaign for it, all.
Speaker 1: Right, he's out there. Respect defensive players in general, we
Speaker 1: don't get no love, you know what I'm saying it's
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 2: That's why I yeft, that's that's the main reason that yet,
Speaker 2: because they say we're good, but they won't give us
Speaker 2: any for any.
Speaker 3: Other offense stuff.
Speaker 4: As a good salesman, he knew how to get usself,
Speaker 4: you know, how to put the light on him.
Speaker 1: And then he went, yeah, I think that's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite stories about you. Was at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and they said you were killing all the receivers and
Speaker 1: they brought you over to the other practice.
Speaker 3: Ye right, to go and get you.
Speaker 1: I'll do it. I mean, that's awesome, man. All Right.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of concluding our story time interlude to Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great story time. It's a segment the recommendation anyway.
Speaker 1: So in Commander's News, we have a new director of
Speaker 1: Player Personnel, David Blackburn, and he is a former uh
Speaker 1: Baltimore raven see man. And it's not like I want
Speaker 1: him to and it's not like he was just a guy.
Speaker 1: He was the director of college Scouting and Baltimore and
Speaker 1: talking about a job that is taxing, like I've had
Speaker 1: a you know, every stop I've had, I kind of
Speaker 1: will go talk to the director of college gout. He
Speaker 1: just to get a feel. They not only have to
Speaker 1: evaluate three hundred plus college athletes, but they are responsible
Speaker 1: for all of the regional scouts. So, you know, the
Speaker 1: way that we divide up the country here with Washington
Speaker 1: they used to with the old staff is like there's
Speaker 1: a director of everybody you know west of the Mississippi,
Speaker 1: as a director of everybody east of Mississippi. They all
Speaker 1: have people that report to them for like regionals. They
Speaker 1: kind of divided it up almost by state. You know
Speaker 1: a number of schools and it's your job as the
Speaker 1: director of college scouting to distill all of that information,
Speaker 1: make reports for all the athletes. Now again you can
Speaker 1: you know, what do they call that delegate some of that,
Speaker 1: some of that some of those tasks to you know,
Speaker 1: like your people that work under you. But then you
Speaker 1: have to present it to the offensive end defensive coaching staff.
Speaker 3: So the head coach.
Speaker 1: So now he wasn't just like a guy, he was
Speaker 1: like he was like doing the dang thing there. Now
Speaker 1: he's a director of pro Scouting, which is like I
Speaker 1: think some people would consider a promotion for him, But
Speaker 1: he did that for seventeen years. Is at an organization
Speaker 1: that is known for drafting well, drafting extremely well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm just like, man, we're just getting
Speaker 1: you know, we're getting more good people from good organizations
Speaker 1: that have an opportunity to kind of help kind of
Speaker 1: slidify this culture.
Speaker 2: They're saying good players ain't enough. They saying good coaches
Speaker 2: ain't enough. They need good from the top to the bottom.
Speaker 2: They understand we're not trying to have a good season.
Speaker 3: We try to have a good couple of decades.
Speaker 2: They're trying to do it to the point where you know,
Speaker 2: when you when you're doing things right, when other people
Speaker 2: try to try to come pay and steal the people
Speaker 2: that's working for you, Well, we're going out to the
Speaker 2: top people and we're getting them like that.
Speaker 3: Don't mean we don't keep them for twenty years, but
Speaker 3: we're getting them.
Speaker 2: And they I think they understand now that it's way
Speaker 2: deeper than just coaches in football.
Speaker 3: It's way deep.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've been talking about this for so many years.
Speaker 4: When it comes to how to run a business, how
Speaker 4: you're going to run it. If you got one part
Speaker 4: of it rolling or you know, and the other part
Speaker 4: of it is basically a camp and so or toxic,
Speaker 4: it kind of trinkles down and it leads into it
Speaker 4: doing well. So that's what I see right now. These guys,
Speaker 4: ain't They came in here and they say, look, man,
Speaker 4: you already say we got an F grade when it
Speaker 4: comes to our facility. We're gonna change that. I say,
Speaker 4: we got things going on at the stadium that people
Speaker 4: not liking. We're gonna change that. Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 4: say we need this and that stuff and staff people
Speaker 4: see PA's you know, all that stuff. We're gonna change that.
Speaker 4: They're from from top to bottom. They're trying to make
Speaker 4: this thing something that not just the players can come
Speaker 4: over here and be happy with, but the fans can
Speaker 4: appreciate what they're doing because in order for you to
Speaker 4: have a great team, you got to have people who
Speaker 4: knows how to get the right the right players. And
Speaker 4: when you see this guy's track record seventeen years stands
Speaker 4: out more than anything and put a little human behind it,
Speaker 4: it almost feels like, you know, how you stayed with
Speaker 4: your grandma and that one cousin that had to leave
Speaker 4: his mom house, that was that was pretty good over there,
Speaker 4: and he came over to stay with y'all, and he
Speaker 4: was that cousin that could cook, clean and do everything.
Speaker 3: So it just made everything better for you.
Speaker 4: So we keep talking about in the Baltimore Ravens our cousins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he came on.
Speaker 4: Over here to day would with us.
Speaker 3: We ain't had no analytics. Analytic a little easier for
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think that's a great point ten because
Speaker 1: all the teams that are like in the show, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, the forty nine Ers, Philadelphia Eagles, Troylyons,
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens, like those four teams are four excellent rosters. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously Kansas City is a little bit of outlier because
Speaker 1: they found a great quarterback in terms of you need
Speaker 1: people from those organizations to kind of say, hey, this
Speaker 1: is how we build it, this is how identify talent,
Speaker 1: this is how we ensure that we're going to be
Speaker 1: on that track sooner rather than later. So another interesting
Speaker 1: thing about him, De Paul University graduate with a degree
Speaker 1: in economics, smart man and a minor in history. So
Speaker 1: like school, four year starter at cornerback, team captain and
Speaker 1: only four time All sc AC selection in school history.
Speaker 1: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference. For those of you at home,
Speaker 1: keeping score. So I like that he's got the football background.
Speaker 1: So smart dude, football player. I mean again, like who
Speaker 1: was a half of talent? Who's the guy who did
Speaker 1: last week? So on? So yeah, like that dude's resume
Speaker 1: was impeccable. Yeah, this guy's resume is to me, exactly
Speaker 1: what you want, everything you want. So that's always uh
Speaker 1: mirrors each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, qualified guys doing qualified things, and and this this
Speaker 2: that bills trust.
Speaker 3: If the coaches stay no one, I ain't got to
Speaker 3: be looking at that.
Speaker 2: We got the right guys and then they're gonna handle
Speaker 2: it in scenes and out season, don't matter.
Speaker 4: How many years we was here. And we saw a
Speaker 4: guy to that we knew should have been on our
Speaker 4: team that didn't get kept, we say it out of
Speaker 4: time and pay. Yeah, we understand.
Speaker 3: It's different.
Speaker 4: It's deeper than that because it's money that's dealing with it,
Speaker 4: and it's players that you know, you know, roster spots.
Speaker 4: But it just shows you, man that even players who
Speaker 4: played this game long enough have a eye. So it's
Speaker 4: great to know this guy has a background and and
Speaker 4: he's been doing well for for for you know, for
Speaker 4: a long time.
Speaker 1: And we're not saying this is gonna be the magic
Speaker 1: bull it, but it just is. It's such. It's nice
Speaker 1: when the process is correct, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Hire good people, bringing the right type of people. And
Speaker 1: it's not just one guy trying to make all the decisions.
Speaker 1: It's a group of them correct.
Speaker 2: And it's the right ingredients to a good dinner, like
Speaker 2: you got to head the right ingredients. If you don't
Speaker 2: got the right and gigs by the time you cook it,
Speaker 2: no matter how good the cookie.
Speaker 3: Is, the food nasty. And then what we've been serving
Speaker 3: we've been serving his sack lunches for years over here.
Speaker 3: Now now we got all you can.
Speaker 2: Eat but fake come on in here, and we're slowly
Speaker 2: putting the cooks in there and letting them cook.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I needed to stay. We're pretty stoked about it.
Speaker 1: But you know that's this. These are these are the
Speaker 1: type of decisions that pay dividends down the road, not
Speaker 1: necessarily not today this season, but in terms of this season, Yes,
Speaker 1: we got ots are happening. I went out to practice
Speaker 1: last week. One thing I want to run by you
Speaker 1: guys real quick. I know we can. You had to
Speaker 1: go to Florida. You had some stuff going on One
Speaker 1: of the things is Jaden threw two interceptions in the
Speaker 1: red zone last week. Part like reason for concern or
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what this is the time to everything you want
Speaker 2: to travel to try it now going right, Like, if.
Speaker 3: You're going to make the mistakes, make them now, make
Speaker 3: them down, make them down, make you like yeah, but
Speaker 3: this is the reason learning curve.
Speaker 1: The reason I really want to bring it up is because,
Speaker 1: like I think people hear like, oh, red zone and
Speaker 1: there's no context. But to me, red zone is tight,
Speaker 1: especially early in the offseason, favors the defense, yes, because
Speaker 1: they you can just talk about that.
Speaker 3: I think about it.
Speaker 2: If they hit the five yard line, the end zone
Speaker 2: is only ten yards deep, all right. We don't backpedal everything.
Speaker 2: Every decision is made in intents of a second. Every
Speaker 2: window that that quarterbacks and throws in it can start that.
Speaker 3: Big, it's gonna end that small.
Speaker 2: And when you're in the red zone tips everything if
Speaker 2: you can get it, if the d line can get
Speaker 2: a hand on the ball, if the dv can get
Speaker 2: a hand on the ball, we usually gonna turn that
Speaker 2: ball over there. So the windows are smaller. Everything's done
Speaker 2: so quick, and you got to make a decision. That's
Speaker 2: what I think he's learning right now. Hight the ball.
Speaker 2: I got probably three four tenths of us tend to
Speaker 2: make seconds to make my decision, and I got to
Speaker 2: live with it, even if that decision is throwing the
Speaker 2: ball out the back of the en zone.
Speaker 4: That's why, you know, as a receiver, I hate it
Speaker 4: the closer we got to the end zone because.
Speaker 3: Now it takes away you'll beat me a game, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So you know, especially if you're not throwing me no
Speaker 4: jump ball, not not using my ability to go up
Speaker 4: for the ball, then I'm not a I'm not a use.
Speaker 4: So I love when we could cross that fifty and
Speaker 4: we're still throwing bombs from the twenty five or out
Speaker 4: of thirty. But when you get in those close areas,
Speaker 4: those pro semities, man, it's tough. And for a young guy,
Speaker 4: if he's going to learn it, learn it now. Get
Speaker 4: that out your system now, because right now we're not
Speaker 4: even in real pass You're not you don't have bodies
Speaker 4: flying at you the way you would seeing a regular
Speaker 4: you know, drill practice against the teams. You know, our
Speaker 4: first team was you know, going to get a second
Speaker 4: team or whatever. But I'm happy because we talked about
Speaker 4: this before we got on the show.
Speaker 3: Who cares about what goes on OTA.
Speaker 4: That's why we have OTAs, because we want you to
Speaker 4: get in here and learn the system, get in here
Speaker 4: and get you know, I guess you can say, get your.
Speaker 3: Time in together.
Speaker 4: All that stuff plays a part of your game now
Speaker 4: because by the time we get here, when things live,
Speaker 4: bullets are flying around, That's when I'm gonna be concerned.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm gonna be worried about.
Speaker 3: How you looking alsold this.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, if they was selling mon selling a
Speaker 2: team in OTAs, he ain't pull it out the legs
Speaker 2: because this the one thing he has that when it
Speaker 2: don't turn out the way he wanted to be in
Speaker 2: the red zone.
Speaker 3: He gonna run.
Speaker 2: So he wouldn't you, He wouldn't weaponizing it. He was like,
Speaker 2: I gotta throw this bott I'm gonna throw the ball.
Speaker 2: So I think people need to take it for what
Speaker 2: it was. Because we hear a lot of people talking
Speaker 2: about Kayla william through six weeks.
Speaker 3: Out of practice. I don't care. I just don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was gonna say the other thing about
Speaker 1: the red zone specifically, is like that's a game plan
Speaker 1: phase of the game for the offense, right, Like you're
Speaker 1: gonna scheme up. You're gonna say, oh, this is how
Speaker 1: they run their quarters. These are the players we're gonna run.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have kind of designated stuff. You're not running
Speaker 1: just general offense. There and there looked to me like
Speaker 1: they were running pretty general offensive stuff, which put which
Speaker 1: puts them in a hard spot. You can't run the football.
Speaker 1: You can't run, you can't scram up. So it's all
Speaker 1: kind of it favors the defense big time.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Again, like you were saying, Fred, like you know, Cale
Speaker 1: Williams through twelve interceptions, but I can care less. I
Speaker 1: guess practice, man, he's learned a new offense.
Speaker 4: It's the best too, because you gotta understand, especially in
Speaker 4: the world when today, when it comes to social media,
Speaker 4: all this stuff is clickbait. So if you see somebody
Speaker 4: out there doing well, we're gonna praise and we're gonna
Speaker 4: we're gonna send him to the Pro Bowl. Already, season
Speaker 4: ain't start. He's gonna be a Pro Bowl player, he's
Speaker 4: gonna be a Hall of Famer. I want these guys
Speaker 4: to you know, I guess progress on the time that
Speaker 4: they're ready to progress, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 4: don't want to see all No, I don't want to
Speaker 4: see his crown anybody so far they you know, and
Speaker 4: when you're desperate, in which we are up here in
Speaker 4: this area, Yeah, we're desperate. So we're gonna crown whoever
Speaker 4: as soon as you bring the guy. Oh, he's ready,
Speaker 4: he's ready to go out there and do it. Don't
Speaker 4: give give him his time.
Speaker 2: I come to like the cloud that's around Jaden because
Speaker 2: it's his hype.
Speaker 3: People is it? Don't got that? I guess. I was
Speaker 3: here when r G three got drafted, and it was
Speaker 3: just different.
Speaker 2: It was almost a messiah savior complex that they put
Speaker 2: on Robert that I don't see them putting on Jaden.
Speaker 2: It's more of okay, thank you, great draft pick. Now
Speaker 2: let's see what he got. And with Robert it was like, well,
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie Robert. Robert came out explosive.
Speaker 3: So no, no, he's did.
Speaker 2: But you know, I have to say, before Robertie even
Speaker 2: played the down, it was like I said this this savior.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The other thing is, you know, not to
Speaker 1: say that he had a bad practice. I actually thought
Speaker 1: he looked like just to kind of hype this Messiah
Speaker 1: thing up even more. But he had a great practice
Speaker 1: outside those two, like he just he understands like where
Speaker 1: to go with the football, He understands progressions. He threw
Speaker 1: two excellent deep balls, one of Jehan that was awesome.
Speaker 1: You saw that. Well, so everyone's talking about the throw
Speaker 1: and I was stoked on Johan. Yeah, well the catch, well,
Speaker 1: he's always got the ball skills. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was on the clip, but in practice, I'm
Speaker 1: talking little double stick arm through working the shoulder. Remember
Speaker 1: how last year he kind of just run into that
Speaker 1: cod like and I just thought, man, that's a guy
Speaker 1: who's been on his craft.
Speaker 3: He's been polishing the weak parts of that. You know.
Speaker 4: You know the first thing when we had him in
Speaker 4: here of the day, the first thing he said, I said,
Speaker 4: what you was that down to Florida? And you know,
Speaker 4: I know a guy down there and called himself gold Feet.
Speaker 4: He's on Instagram. Anybody out there listening, and you got
Speaker 4: kids and want to be a receiver, see him the
Speaker 4: gold feet down there for out of there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I had a parapet is the real deal.
Speaker 1: He regularly got some pretty good issues on it.
Speaker 4: It's crazy to me how young these guys are. Now
Speaker 4: it's another guy called it rock God. Uh Rock God
Speaker 4: is pretty good to He's another Florida guy. And you
Speaker 4: say where they're going at Florida that what we do
Speaker 4: down there? We cut grass down there to.
Speaker 3: Give tonight life was killing me.
Speaker 4: But that's the first thing, you know, Dotson talked about
Speaker 4: just going down there and putting the work in. That's
Speaker 4: what it's about, man, when you young. Look, I was
Speaker 4: scared of that we was gonna crown him too soon
Speaker 4: last year. How we talked so highly on Johan and
Speaker 4: I think he needed that season.
Speaker 3: He needed to be humble. I didn't want to see
Speaker 3: him go.
Speaker 1: Out there kind of your leg something to kind of say,
Speaker 1: hey man, you.
Speaker 4: Got to work with this thing bingo. So you know,
Speaker 4: I'm glad that you saw that that showed you that
Speaker 4: he went out Dan got.
Speaker 1: In the left it again. It's it's one rap, but
Speaker 1: it's something that we didn't see a lot of from
Speaker 1: last year. And you can tell that he's put some
Speaker 1: time in on it. And if there was one area
Speaker 1: that I thought his game was weak, it's dealing with
Speaker 1: you know, getting off pressed right and then dealing with
Speaker 1: contested catches.
Speaker 2: So I can say, and I didn't think he challenged
Speaker 2: it to peak of the ball and continuent like I
Speaker 2: thought his hands could be a lot stronger than they
Speaker 2: got because some guys receiver wise, we know if they
Speaker 2: touched the ball like this, I need to worry about.
Speaker 2: Now it's tackling, like I can't go through his arm
Speaker 2: because he ain't gonna he ain't gonna let me get
Speaker 2: that ball out of there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess what I'm saying is it was
Speaker 1: nice to see him a make a tough catch, really
Speaker 1: tough catch, and then be the release and like working
Speaker 1: that work in that element of craft. Yeah, but Johan
Speaker 1: looked awesome, all right, Not Johan, Jane looked awesome. And
Speaker 1: again it's the footwork, the timing. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like he's signaling concepts to be defenses. But then thing
Speaker 1: I want to talk about with you, Fred is like
Speaker 1: holy cow man, the defense and the personnel and their
Speaker 1: ability to kind of disguise coverages and then get to
Speaker 1: different stuff talking about how important like just.
Speaker 2: First of all, this did Joe with affect like I
Speaker 2: tell with corners are playing, Uh, it's just me by
Speaker 2: myself to survive survival mode. Then it's oh, in this defense,
Speaker 2: I get to I get to play some match Jedi
Speaker 2: mind tricks with this dude. And that's what I'm seeing
Speaker 2: with the defense. I see a move, I see a
Speaker 2: moving on what we call it moving on the screen.
Speaker 2: That mean we're moving together, like if my safety walking down.
Speaker 1: Sometimes these dudes are just like you talk about, like
Speaker 1: that's the old school everyone's on the show. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel like it's just like someone throwing marbles.
Speaker 3: Up the floor. You know what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 3: what are they doing? Organized chaos we call it.
Speaker 2: And when you got was like the Frankie Louvou out
Speaker 2: there and you gotta wagner that then played similar defenses
Speaker 2: to this and then you got you in. And the
Speaker 2: rest of these guys on the back end they understand
Speaker 2: I one, if I undress my coverage, we already beat two.
Speaker 3: If I don't know.
Speaker 2: How to hide these certain things, I can't play my
Speaker 2: Jedi mind tricks with you. If I'm on the out
Speaker 2: side with Taylor and I'm press bailing because I know
Speaker 2: I really in covered three but I really want to
Speaker 2: show make him think I'm in true man, I got
Speaker 2: to hold a prince like.
Speaker 3: But guess what, I also need my safety to hold
Speaker 3: in the middle.
Speaker 2: So it's these things where it's can I respect you
Speaker 2: to be where I need you to be in and
Speaker 2: can I be wasky for.
Speaker 3: That's like you see I'm over here, smile.
Speaker 4: It's music to my ears, bro, because I literally set
Speaker 4: in that press box we can and week out like
Speaker 4: you showing me this right now?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like it was nothing to the disguise part of it.
Speaker 4: It was just like we're here self preservation. Come on, reservation,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So being in this league
Speaker 4: for so long, bro, you know how hard it was
Speaker 4: for me to beat in the line of scrimmers watching
Speaker 4: the defense and watching that safety trying to read what
Speaker 4: the hell he finna show me? And then pre snap
Speaker 4: read showed me one thing and the snap of the bottom
Speaker 4: they go fly out of there. I didn't see enough
Speaker 4: of that here, man, and I hated it. So I'm
Speaker 4: happy to hear you guys are seeing that. I'm happy
Speaker 4: that they're doing it because when you watch dan Quinn's
Speaker 4: defense over the years when he was in Seattle, you know, Atlanta,
Speaker 4: when you know the Dallas in those last three four years, Like, Bro,
Speaker 4: that's what you saw, even if they didn't have the
Speaker 4: best out there on the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the defense as a whole was rotted, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So you don't have to have these studs when you
Speaker 4: got a de de defense. Yes, everybody, you got a
Speaker 4: team that's playing on one unitses like when we want accord.
Speaker 1: Well that's a way to put that. Yeah, you just
Speaker 1: made me think of a couple of players that I
Speaker 1: thought were awesome. Like there was one where like it
Speaker 1: looked like I don't know the coverages, but it looked
Speaker 1: like box to me. You know, they got a bunch
Speaker 1: Tenna and they got that that.
Speaker 3: Box coverage and low two high corner takes the.
Speaker 1: First guy going out, It takes the first guy going in.
Speaker 1: And they had like a spot concept on where the
Speaker 1: guy would sit right in the middle of the box
Speaker 1: fastball right. But and so that's what I thought. I
Speaker 1: was like, this should be stealing. But then they rotated
Speaker 1: the safety down, they pushed out, they got in the
Speaker 1: cover two Tampa two in the red zone and it
Speaker 1: was enough where you take away the spot, you gotta
Speaker 1: double clutch the fence.
Speaker 3: Take the spot.
Speaker 1: And it was going to take away first and it
Speaker 1: was really subtle and it was pretty good and it
Speaker 1: was enough for I was like, that got.
Speaker 4: Them and you can tell it's one second to think.
Speaker 1: And then there was another one where Dominice Campton was
Speaker 1: lying up on the right and held the disguise and
Speaker 1: basically became the half safety to the left.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like talk about dropping marbles. Have to get there.
Speaker 1: And You're just like, I don't know how you knew that,
Speaker 1: but you said organize chaos. Like there's timeshe you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like and when you're watching it, and again, this isn't
Speaker 1: just from me watching practice. This is like Dallas film.
Speaker 1: Is this? Yes, right, we look like we're in man
Speaker 1: over in Tampa touo oh, it looks like Cover three. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're in we're blitzing. We're in his own pressure.
Speaker 2: We cannot play fast on defense unless we all know
Speaker 2: what the real plan is. Like when we played for
Speaker 2: Greg Williams, it ain't no day we hit a field
Speaker 2: and we ain't know what our plan was. And I
Speaker 2: plan changes week by week, but I tell you what
Speaker 2: when we hit them green lines, we are on fire.
Speaker 2: And you can tell you and I can always tell
Speaker 2: a boy the energy of a defense.
Speaker 3: I can tell you because it's a group thing. Man.
Speaker 2: Like I know, on offense, y'all can sometimes be independent
Speaker 2: contractors in really blossom. I don't think we can do
Speaker 2: that on defense because I can't do no what that
Speaker 2: might be.
Speaker 1: Lie, definitely not to the extent like you have to
Speaker 1: know the concept especial running routes where you know, you
Speaker 1: know the run scheme and you have to fit in there.
Speaker 1: But you can you can put a little bit, Yeah
Speaker 1: you can. But I feel like if defense is not we're.
Speaker 3: Not all locked up, it's gonna fail.
Speaker 4: Defense is all it's to me. I think it's predicated
Speaker 4: on everybody's being on their guy being in there, playing,
Speaker 4: playing to read or reading reading write right, you know,
Speaker 4: I see so many guys watching them. I think it
Speaker 4: was miked up section they had on ESPN or somewhere.
Speaker 4: I saw it on Instagram where they had a kid
Speaker 4: talking to another kid, or they had they had a
Speaker 4: veteran talking to a kid, like, bro, let me know
Speaker 4: what you got going on because cut, yes, I'm telling
Speaker 4: you you ain't telling me nothing. I'm thinking, you're gonna
Speaker 4: play this guy and I'm.
Speaker 1: Information and such a frustrating Like I was so frustrating
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you knew the young kid was in his
Speaker 4: feelings and this guy's trying to tell him like, bro,
Speaker 4: like I'm just trying to communicate.
Speaker 1: Well, here's this old head, like I'm trying to help you.
Speaker 1: I'm to help you, help me yea yeah, And you're
Speaker 1: just like I remember having the same conversation with like
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. You know, like you're in the third or
Speaker 1: fourth preseason game. You're playing against somebody's not maybe not
Speaker 1: gonna make the team. You're trying to make the team,
Speaker 1: and you're like like, listen to what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I played for eight years. You're a rookie, like trust
Speaker 1: me or do what I say. And some of those
Speaker 1: guys and it just makes you because you like I
Speaker 1: felt I felt for that guy and the Metro guy,
Speaker 1: I felt for him because I was like, you might
Speaker 1: not make the team because this guy screwed him over that.
Speaker 2: Simple stuff like if my wide receiver off the ball,
Speaker 2: the first thing I do is alert my lineback and
Speaker 2: watch for that crack.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna crack. I just know
Speaker 3: he ails with a move.
Speaker 2: Now when he starts to move going back into the court,
Speaker 2: if I ain't laying, if I ain't saying, crack that
Speaker 2: linebacker never turning it in, never turning, and now guess what,
Speaker 2: he gets cracked by the wide receiver I got to replace.
Speaker 2: So now I'm taking on the top sweep by myself. Well,
Speaker 2: I just stopped from taking on their top sweep by
Speaker 2: myself by just alerting a simple crack call.
Speaker 3: And they go to things that the communication.
Speaker 4: Communication is key, mate. I think that's just one of
Speaker 4: the things that stands out when you have a defense
Speaker 4: that's playing on one accord, when you have that down pack,
Speaker 4: then were all gonna go out here and be successful
Speaker 4: and not going to just be on one guy because
Speaker 4: we all know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So two things. One, this is like super nerdy
Speaker 1: question and I don't I don't really know what you're
Speaker 1: gonna answer. Is do you keep track of other people's
Speaker 1: OTA's like when you're reading media tipmits or does it
Speaker 1: not matter? Because sometimes I find myself being like, oh,
Speaker 1: blik Davis had a touchdown in OTA practice.
Speaker 3: I do you want to see it.
Speaker 2: I just want to see It doesn't really matter if
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, but if you love football, you just
Speaker 2: want to see what's going on.
Speaker 4: Often say, with social media, I do more than I
Speaker 4: did before.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't go online looking social media. You can basically
Speaker 4: go and type in Carolina, type in whatever team it is,
Speaker 4: and see they little clip.
Speaker 1: So I do that way and again, like it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter, but it's also it kind of just gets
Speaker 1: you excited.
Speaker 2: You know, this time of year, everybody's bubbling. Everybody got
Speaker 2: a change out thirty two way the super Bowl, and
Speaker 2: it's that time where it ain't a lot of news.
Speaker 3: So therefore, if.
Speaker 2: We get any news, Je Daniels just dropped the eighty
Speaker 2: yard touchdown. Whoa, Like everybody's cheering for that, dude, Like,
Speaker 2: come on, you don't think people in Minnesota going crazy
Speaker 2: over JJ mccartty every time he completes the pass, Like
Speaker 2: it's that time, right, So I expect it to be
Speaker 2: that way. But also, this is the time championships are won.
Speaker 2: To me, this is when teams come together together. I
Speaker 2: can always tell, like I'm hearing out of Cincinnati Jamon Chase,
Speaker 2: not in the building, Higgins, not in the buildings, contract disputes.
Speaker 2: They made it to that point, like they paid their quarterback.
Speaker 2: Now that the roster getting tightened to keep together. So
Speaker 2: you know, it's good and bad all over the league
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 4: I want to think as much as we want to
Speaker 4: tell the fans to kind of you know, I guess
Speaker 4: you could say, pump the brakes on getting too far
Speaker 4: ahead of yourself. It's also, you know, the fans is
Speaker 4: just like how we were back in the day. It's
Speaker 4: a different time. Back in the day football came in July,
Speaker 4: it was already training camp. You know, we didn't have
Speaker 4: an ESPN to watch, We didn't have a social media
Speaker 4: to watch.
Speaker 3: Football season was in.
Speaker 4: We was playing, and it was there was sure a clipping.
Speaker 4: It's gone for two weeks, you know, until they play
Speaker 4: that preseason game. Now it's every days something to look
Speaker 4: about this year round. You can't you can't help but
Speaker 4: allow them to have that kind of joy that they
Speaker 4: have for their team.
Speaker 2: And everybody liked the new toys, new shiny toy. They
Speaker 2: don't want to know about the old children vent. Nobody
Speaker 2: want to know about Logan. Tell me about Daniel like, we.
Speaker 4: Don't know, they don't know any information about it, not
Speaker 4: in this uniform.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so again and then this is something I'm curious
Speaker 1: because I don't know how you guys, because it was
Speaker 1: a little different era. How did you guys treat O
Speaker 1: t as like when you were playing? Like was it
Speaker 1: like was it were you like fit ready to go?
Speaker 1: Or were you getting shot?
Speaker 2: It depends on which O t A it is. If
Speaker 2: it's their first eight O t A. Some guys are
Speaker 2: be in shape, but not the best shape they're gonna
Speaker 2: be in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was too naive to not know what to do.
Speaker 4: Get the gate out the gate. I kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: blame that a little bit my injury, but I kind
Speaker 4: of came in ready, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 4: then from there I was like, Okay, it's good to
Speaker 4: be ready, you know. But when I saw the guys
Speaker 4: out there falling by the wayside and throwing up and
Speaker 4: can't make the little runs we had, I said, I
Speaker 4: don't ever want to feel like that. And then later
Speaker 4: in my career I took a break because I had
Speaker 4: them played so much, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Too much football I had.
Speaker 4: I had, I had my I had a couple of
Speaker 4: runners who had worked for my agent, was like, you
Speaker 4: you're always in that gym man, just this rest and
Speaker 4: I rest, and I wasn't myself. I'm like, see, I'm
Speaker 4: just not you. Bro. I got to keep knowing I do,
Speaker 4: so I prepared to be going full throttle. Come ot.
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to be getting into the mode.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: And you always had a new quarterback O TA, so
Speaker 2: you needed to get their relationship.
Speaker 4: Together in the quarterback new offense. I had so much
Speaker 4: going on, Bro, I saw it all, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think everyone here is like, oh yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: it's optional team activity. Like I don't remember ever missing one,
Speaker 1: not coming in and being like one hundred percent rate.
Speaker 3: I'm always there. I'm always gonna be there.
Speaker 1: It starts. It's gonna sound crazy, but it's it starts
Speaker 1: the coaches evaluation process. And as much as they say, oh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, Like I remember watching dudes who weren't fit,
Speaker 1: and they weren't fit for three or four practices, three
Speaker 1: or four weeks of practice, so probably like ten total
Speaker 1: practices and they just haven't put good stuff on film,
Speaker 1: so they reshuffle the depth chart. They're the fourth guy.
Speaker 1: You're the third guy. All of a sudden, you go
Speaker 1: to training camp and then you make the team and
Speaker 1: they it's just it's part of the piece. So just
Speaker 1: to always be ready.
Speaker 3: I think it's to going away and coming backpoint.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why it never bothered me because
Speaker 2: unlike a lot of players, I didn't leave in the summer.
Speaker 3: This was home for them.
Speaker 2: So I think it's the traveling too, because you go,
Speaker 2: you give yourself two weeks to take off. Your wife
Speaker 2: probably demanded some times. You gave you the most of
Speaker 2: the year. So I think that then when you pop
Speaker 2: out of it, then it's right back into this. I
Speaker 2: think this the thing that mentally kind of chatted his players.
Speaker 4: Most of the guys who have it, who have it,
Speaker 4: have a good routine. They have a cutoff. And I
Speaker 4: think I had a great routine. I knew if I
Speaker 4: went in the playoffs or if I got other playoffs
Speaker 4: something fast, I'm going home getting all that out my system.
Speaker 4: Come April seventeenth, whatever they say that that report day
Speaker 4: my birthday, I'm gonna be ready because February third or second,
Speaker 4: or whenever the Fluper Bowl is overwhe that's my first
Speaker 4: day of getting back in shape. So when that's who
Speaker 4: Bowl's done, I'm back to grinding. And so by the
Speaker 4: time I hit April seventeen, when they say reporting day,
Speaker 4: I'm ready. So you know, you got to have a
Speaker 4: routine because you want to enjoy your off time too.
Speaker 4: And when I got here, it was better that way
Speaker 4: because I was comfortable with coming up here when I
Speaker 4: didn't have to be here. You understaying. When I was
Speaker 4: in New York, I didn't he hated New York. I
Speaker 4: didn't want to see New York until I had to
Speaker 4: be there. And but nah, man, but it's all about
Speaker 4: being a professional, and you you learned that over the years.
Speaker 4: You learn it over time. April seventeen one of the
Speaker 4: best days ever. You know, this day I was birthed,
Speaker 4: Santanna Mama was birthed.
Speaker 3: It's to day Game of Throne started.
Speaker 1: Good day. It's a good day. I got kind of
Speaker 1: a mess up story about being in shape. Do you
Speaker 1: remember in thirteen we had that conditioning test where we
Speaker 1: had to run a half gasser and then we had
Speaker 1: to plank. Yes, So I remember Old ray Wright was like, guys,
Speaker 1: you know, we're getting ready for tomorrow for first practices.
Speaker 1: The day after this. So if you guys feel like
Speaker 1: you can't finish, just tap out. We don't want anyone
Speaker 1: pull any hamshrinks something like that. I was like, that
Speaker 1: is the trap. That's a trap. Everyone paying attention probably
Speaker 1: was being serious. But I'll tell you two people that
Speaker 1: was this is a hard that was a hard condition. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember.
Speaker 4: My back was created up enrichment.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it was hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was.
Speaker 1: It was just it was eight down in backs, right,
Speaker 1: but in between you had to make it in fifteen
Speaker 1: fourteen seconds was much light. Yeah, yeah, it was like twelve.
Speaker 1: I was like fifteen, which is fast for me. And
Speaker 1: then he had you had forty five second plank and
Speaker 1: you had to get up and run your next one.
Speaker 1: So there was no like rest, You're just running the
Speaker 1: whole time. And so thank god I finished. You know,
Speaker 1: my hamstrings all time, my back is all time. But
Speaker 1: I finished. Two people didn't finish. Two people got.
Speaker 3: Cut, that's how. And they're softened to.
Speaker 4: Blow and tell you, you know, don't worry, do not worry
Speaker 4: just because you can't play here.
Speaker 3: It's thirty one more team.
Speaker 4: Hey, it's funny though, I remember because it's like, well
Speaker 4: that's year thirteen for me.
Speaker 3: And I remember running mind and I'm being in.
Speaker 4: The front and I don't know what was black or
Speaker 4: was this Chad, but he was like, Tanner, come on, man,
Speaker 4: you're embarrassing these people out here.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, bro, I'm just standing in the pack.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to make sure you're trying to Yeah,
Speaker 4: you a calling me out because I'm in the front,
Speaker 4: like you want me to be in the back. But
Speaker 4: it's just funny because like they play those Jedi mind
Speaker 4: tricks with you just to see where you're at mint,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, see and see it's okay,
Speaker 4: good enough for you bingo And man, look man, I
Speaker 4: never took that stuff for granted, Like I just told
Speaker 4: you that was your thirteen for me competing with these
Speaker 4: all these young bucks. I'm up there leading the pack,
Speaker 4: but I never wanted to be first. I wanted to
Speaker 4: be right.
Speaker 3: There to stand.
Speaker 4: I wanted that second and third, you know when when
Speaker 4: that last one hit, that last one was always.
Speaker 2: They need to understand after the conditioning test, we are
Speaker 2: just laying scattered on the grass like y'all need to understand.
Speaker 2: Y'all understand like we only had like thirteen the d
Speaker 2: d's and wide out. Every time we look at our time,
Speaker 2: we don't even I tried not to even look like.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do like three gas. I was like, we
Speaker 3: probably got due hours and what ten cent? Come on this.
Speaker 1: Some of those receiver times were three strides.
Speaker 4: You already say I'm late. Yeah, and you can feel
Speaker 4: your number.
Speaker 3: You're like, nut this line and come back knocks.
Speaker 1: Want no wild story talking about like Trent Williams. Remember Trent.
Speaker 1: I remember one day he was like messing around and
Speaker 1: someone was talking messed him. He's like, I'll run the
Speaker 1: receiver times and I was like, no, no, And Trent
Speaker 1: made every receiver time so half gasser twelve and a
Speaker 1: half seconds. That man weigh three hundred thirty pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like a deer. And I was like looking
Speaker 1: out of the corner of my eye like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna make it anything now.
Speaker 2: Then I tell people the big dudes in the league
Speaker 2: are not fat, Like when you see that fat dude
Speaker 2: in the grocery store and wig, he was like he
Speaker 2: could have played for No, he couldn't.
Speaker 3: He can't run, he can't move, he can't move.
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day. These are big men,
Speaker 2: big athletic, they have to like fight to keep with
Speaker 2: this three hundred pounds on them.
Speaker 3: I think people just see him and be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he probably could have played six six three. No, your
Speaker 3: uncle stinks. Due up to me to tell you that.
Speaker 1: The other one that was crazy so Trent obviously very
Speaker 1: fast and athletic. I remember he got in a fight
Speaker 1: with a defensive tackle, big old defensive tackle. I think
Speaker 1: it was uh. I forget how he was. I remember
Speaker 1: him being like three hundred and sixty five pounds, and
Speaker 1: so I got in there trying to break it up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, And it felt like
Speaker 1: I was trying to break up a fight between my
Speaker 1: dad and somebody else. I just I couldn't get my
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh god, and I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: not a small person, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I remember coming out of there, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: my elbow, herst, my fingers hurt.
Speaker 3: Like we had a big browl. Yeah.
Speaker 2: See this he before ten, the guy he had. I
Speaker 2: think we was called the Jet Skins. We signed everybody
Speaker 2: from the Randy Tummys als. He and pretty Boy, Chad
Speaker 2: Boy and I'll never forget. It was like the second
Speaker 2: practice and he talked Chad a sweep or something, and
Speaker 2: don't I think he was trying not to go out
Speaker 2: of boughs and be kind of like almost cut me low.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you ain't gonna do that. We didn't.
Speaker 2: We didn't got him like like a twenty person's.
Speaker 3: Braw hole out there. And listen, I'm at the bottom
Speaker 3: of it. I think to stay alive, you understand. You
Speaker 3: know what's funny and funny about that.
Speaker 4: Everywhere Chad went bro he had these kind of in
Speaker 4: the jazz bro Listen, I love Chad. He was he
Speaker 4: was returning slash part returning like me, and but it
Speaker 4: just was something about him.
Speaker 3: He was. He was booge.
Speaker 4: He was confident, but he was a different type of guy.
Speaker 4: Like if you had to compare Chad, I would I
Speaker 4: would say this is probably how the industry looked at Prince. Yes,
Speaker 4: a pretty guy, yes, but Prince was not pressed about
Speaker 4: his business pressle put hands on you, not.
Speaker 3: This Chad with But Chad will fight. Chad will fight.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like Tom down through that, I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: like the Chad I knew.
Speaker 4: From the Jets because he's so strong, always gotta tried,
Speaker 4: but he was ready, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 4: he was a pretty dude.
Speaker 3: But he would come in the locker room and look
Speaker 3: at the ugly dude that just.
Speaker 4: Then I'd be like, Chad, did you get your eyebrows?
Speaker 3: Arch? Yes? Like then he walked in.
Speaker 4: With this this essence did you he had about you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like it was just like when
Speaker 4: he walked in the room, like his presence was felt
Speaker 4: and it wasn't.
Speaker 3: A good good because you got all the clothes fully
Speaker 3: dressed in a suit.
Speaker 2: And his brother, Johnny mord ain't nothing like him, only
Speaker 2: different dude.
Speaker 4: Johnny. Johnny was mm a fight after he's damn all right,
Speaker 4: Yeah it is probably, but look, don't get me your
Speaker 4: own I he smooth, but Chad to fight, you.
Speaker 3: Weak out of me.
Speaker 1: So the ones that were always like the coldest, for
Speaker 1: guys that didn't say anything. It was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like it's happening.
Speaker 3: It's our own dude.
Speaker 1: I remember like Niles Noiles now was my guy, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite teammates of all time. I remember like
Speaker 1: anytime he'd be like, we're gonna fight, you know, and
Speaker 1: like it was like, oh, come on and now just
Speaker 1: be like and it's his hands on the face mask,
Speaker 1: like there was no like oh, like no posture. It
Speaker 1: was like we're fighting and the guys like, no, we're not.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, check me out.
Speaker 2: See some of them fight. That can't be broken up
Speaker 2: because we had one with LeVar and another of man
Speaker 2: a lad Back. It's crazy though I couldn't break it up.
Speaker 1: The thing I don't get is like sometimes they get
Speaker 1: their hands on each other and you're trying to break
Speaker 1: them up and then someone will grab you and it
Speaker 1: just turns into this and we just dragging each other.
Speaker 1: Four texts of dragging people around.
Speaker 3: It's all kind of PREDI like, w W had.
Speaker 4: This, They had this whole this. I don't know this.
Speaker 4: It was like a folk tale.
Speaker 3: But we got to fight with that.
Speaker 4: This guy, Casey Jones for the University of Miami thing.
Speaker 3: He was a big time lineman.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if I'm saying a name right for
Speaker 4: the story. His his whotel was got ready to fight
Speaker 4: somebody and he just grabbed his face mask and gripped
Speaker 4: it off his damn helmet and they were like the
Speaker 4: fight was over.
Speaker 3: They say more the coaches than everybody was like stopped everybody.
Speaker 3: Do you remember Doug.
Speaker 1: Worthington did that you're here, you're here with that. So
Speaker 1: there was a big fight, like everyone was on each
Speaker 1: other and there was a backup center Mike, I think
Speaker 1: Mike McGlinchey, Mike something like that and little kind of
Speaker 1: squatty you know, like dirty offensive lineman. And Doug was
Speaker 1: just this adonis. He's six six, he's three thirty. He
Speaker 1: carries around a suitcase full of vitamins with him at
Speaker 1: all times, so he looks like a just look like
Speaker 1: a door. So he grabs Mike's face mask and just
Speaker 1: I'm talking kind of.
Speaker 3: Just shears, shears the screws.
Speaker 1: Like didn't pull the screws out of the fitting, like
Speaker 1: the metal screw was sheared. And then in the meeting,
Speaker 1: our guy Jay was like, hey, Doug, just remember there's
Speaker 1: a pissed us on Monday.
Speaker 3: So oh, Derek Gordon was like that. But just there's
Speaker 3: dudes that, just some dudes dudes that.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, I'm a lover, not a fight.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to be like you know what, not now,
Speaker 2: not never, not ever, not with you. You got murdered.
Speaker 3: That's why he moved in my house and I cooked
Speaker 3: breakfast for him. Everything right.
Speaker 1: And then all these names got me thinking. We were
Speaker 1: talking about last week, we were talking about NB NBA, NFL.
Speaker 1: Who could do both. I'm still staunchly in the camp
Speaker 1: that I don't think any NFL players could play.
Speaker 3: In the end. And I think you, I know you,
Speaker 3: I know you.
Speaker 1: You're also very confident. But what I thought would be
Speaker 1: a good idea, Jason thought would be a good idea.
Speaker 1: Let's make a team of guys that we think could
Speaker 1: play that played in the NFL. Yeah, they could play
Speaker 1: in the NBA. We're gonna make our starting five plus
Speaker 1: a bonus man with six so point guard, shooting guard,
Speaker 1: small forward, power forward, center. And I think it'd be
Speaker 1: good if we did a commander's team and then maybe
Speaker 1: an NFL team. You know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: know what, friends, I don't even have to see Fred's paper.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, who's gonna be your point guard?
Speaker 1: That's a stupid question. I was gonna say me, all right, Russell.
Speaker 2: Russell Curry is what they call because I'm an athlete
Speaker 2: like Russell, but I shoot like stiff Russell Curry at
Speaker 2: the point guard, and I'm.
Speaker 3: A well in a half, this was not gonna well
Speaker 3: one slash too.
Speaker 4: I got Randy Well that's my point going. Oh I
Speaker 4: like that played he played in college and guess it
Speaker 4: was Yeah, No, he played in Indiana. You remember I
Speaker 4: told you I was going to Indiana When I went
Speaker 4: for my trip. It was a dual trip football basketball,
Speaker 4: and guess who was playing on both teams?
Speaker 2: Then Rady Leo was the point guard and the quarterback.
Speaker 2: And I was gonna be able to play Why receive
Speaker 2: Wacona and basketball?
Speaker 3: X randle You know he a man?
Speaker 1: Why is everything he says sounds like he's making it up.
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not. I went to Bloomington on a trip.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right?
Speaker 4: So who is who? You?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I got? I got a question for it. If there's
Speaker 1: someone who could play point guard in the NFL right now,
Speaker 1: like you're like this dude could play like right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if there's a guy that like circle him, you could
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 4: All right? See I ain't he's saying point god, point god, like.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like, well, like Sauce Gardner, like somebody like that,
Speaker 1: like kind of that build.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I think would be a two.
Speaker 1: Okay, but he's sixty three, I know it.
Speaker 2: But he got that lymp that like he'll be a
Speaker 2: jump shooter point guard. It's gonna have to be a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Like most time it's a shroud. Have you ever seen
Speaker 2: Pat Mahons play basketball?
Speaker 3: Plaid out hoop? Really plaid out hoop.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying, and it looks just like his football.
Speaker 3: He's out there. Why couldn't listen.
Speaker 4: The way the way he's making shots, Like it's like
Speaker 4: you mean, like crossing people.
Speaker 3: Hey, I think Geno Schmiel probably can hoop. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: looks like a thing hoop dude.
Speaker 1: The Mahomes thingers wild to me, though.
Speaker 3: Mahomes can hoop. Crowd like he can hoop.
Speaker 4: Now, Mahomes a great point guard. I saw Mahomes play
Speaker 4: pickup game in the off season.
Speaker 2: I saw him playing high school and I felt like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he could did.
Speaker 1: It all right. So now we're on the shooting guards
Speaker 1: for the Commanders.
Speaker 4: Can I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with d Hall.
Speaker 2: I can say he was on my paper the hawk
Speaker 2: and hoop, Yeah, I mean the holle hoop all the
Speaker 2: time in lifetime.
Speaker 1: He's a great athlete.
Speaker 3: No, he can hoop. But I'm taking Jason Campbell.
Speaker 4: Go d holl it's a two.
Speaker 3: Jason. Jason is sixty five always.
Speaker 2: Jason had a basketball Scotch Ship coming out of Mississippi.
Speaker 3: When we were younger. He was a three three.
Speaker 4: Star and d hall of Malcolm Kelly. Malcolm Kelly was
Speaker 4: Malcolm Kelly. Yes, macom Kelly hoop.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing with me. I would say Jordan
Speaker 1: Reid for my two.
Speaker 3: Jordan he had my three.
Speaker 1: That's my small dude. I just think I want him
Speaker 1: touching the ball more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he definitely in basketball term, he had
Speaker 4: to be a two because he's not as tall as
Speaker 4: he would be in the but but he's strong.
Speaker 3: He he's strong.
Speaker 1: But the other thing is everybody that I played with
Speaker 1: said they could play basketball, and he's the only one
Speaker 1: that could actually Like, Yeah, he played hoop. So he's
Speaker 1: gonna be on my He's on my list, my small
Speaker 1: four on my list for sure.
Speaker 3: But I'm small around the league. Who got basketball.
Speaker 1: Around the league? Who we got for a two guards.
Speaker 3: Around the league?
Speaker 4: Now, I got your boy, DK metcow.
Speaker 3: Hoop y'all play him five, Garrett, he just so he is.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 4: Show my.
Speaker 3: DK of t O t used to play basketball.
Speaker 2: Now t could flat out hoop and DK and most
Speaker 2: doing a J Brown, a JJ Brown.
Speaker 1: I was just say Julio Jones, like when I was
Speaker 1: with him in Atlanta, Dude, that guy is just you
Speaker 1: can jump, you can run.
Speaker 4: You know who could do all that too, Odell Beckham,
Speaker 4: Yeah he can.
Speaker 3: Randy Mouse to Randy get fled out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like that Randy Moss. Yeah that'd be sick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, small forward who we got?
Speaker 4: I got Trent Trent. So I thought Trent maybe be
Speaker 4: power forward. See I thought so too for us. He's
Speaker 4: a power forward. But if you put him against a
Speaker 4: basketball guy six four, they'll be so much bigger than him.
Speaker 1: And get him down there in the paint.
Speaker 3: He gonna be big. Baby.
Speaker 4: Dave is in the paint now, he can move stand,
Speaker 4: but he'll be shorter than the average like John Barker.
Speaker 1: But let's get him. Let's we're gonna play positionless football here.
Speaker 1: We got to right were positions of basketball. We're gonna
Speaker 1: spread them out, but we need somebody in there to
Speaker 1: bang around a lot did you imagine him and like
Speaker 1: Victor webbin Yama, like he'll be pushing Victor after what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Victor webban Yama's arms are like as long
Speaker 1: as this room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, understand.
Speaker 2: It's like I understanding, Rob Gartner, My whole boy got
Speaker 2: dreaded with up.
Speaker 3: Oh he can hoop. He might couldn't catch a football.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, no, he just won the amazing race.
Speaker 3: He's built like a picture of him.
Speaker 1: And I was like, this.
Speaker 4: Actually had a thousand yard season, our second in the league.
Speaker 4: So he he he had a system where they started
Speaker 4: feeding other people and he and it's kind of his
Speaker 4: history direct every thing that he mo joan.
Speaker 3: But Rob Gardner can flat out who what.
Speaker 1: About around the league? I was thinking, like Calvin Johnson
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Calvin gent make like this. Every receiver it was
Speaker 3: played for Detroit, Roy we call him all.
Speaker 2: I remember one time I played against Detroit and Charles
Speaker 2: Rogers was the slot receive at six y four, really.
Speaker 4: Getting Roy William were six wives, give me your boy,
Speaker 4: go ahead, finish Roy six fives.
Speaker 2: So they had like all these talk first round picks
Speaker 2: now huge wide receivers.
Speaker 3: I think Dez Bryant could be a give me good basketball,
Speaker 3: give me Gates.
Speaker 1: That's easy, Tony, cause say, let me just go getting
Speaker 1: Zola's dead, Jim, don't.
Speaker 4: Forget about the d N North Carolina Pepper.
Speaker 3: What are we doing? He's gonna be yes, people's in there.
Speaker 4: I also say, you know, I would have said Andre Johnson,
Speaker 4: but small four, I probably put him more of a
Speaker 4: shooting guard. Andre Johnson, Yeah, he went to high school
Speaker 4: to play basketball. His high school was His high school
Speaker 4: was a team that won national championship in Miami, like
Speaker 4: almost every year they had U d there. They had
Speaker 4: a lot of guys that went pro and and Dre
Speaker 4: was there as a basketball player. At the football coach
Speaker 4: they come out for the football team, so he never
Speaker 4: practiced with the football team.
Speaker 3: Ward, Oh yeah, sure, Ward.
Speaker 2: I take Runner Curry about like Runner Currell was a
Speaker 2: bigger recruit than Michael Vick.
Speaker 4: When they came out of Virginia. Yes, run a Curry.
Speaker 4: See whist thing about Michael Vick. He was not highly
Speaker 4: sought out coming out of high school. But by the
Speaker 4: time he got and played in college. Who is this?
Speaker 4: Who is this kid?
Speaker 1: All right? So small forward, we're gonna run out of
Speaker 1: people here, No, not really, but turn to fill a
Speaker 1: roster power Ford. Who we got?
Speaker 3: I got LeVar Arrington?
Speaker 1: Really tell me why who? First of all, if I
Speaker 1: got a.
Speaker 4: Forty Plusch's vertical and you know he's six thrill, you
Speaker 4: got LeVar Arrington. I got my man Abraham from John
Speaker 4: Johnny Abraham. Yeah, the Jets, from the Jets, Old Joe
Speaker 4: playing in Atlanta with you too. I think he was
Speaker 4: done by that time.
Speaker 3: What about Drake Hall Just what about Drake Cotty? I
Speaker 3: think Hoop just ain't got it? Got it boy? You
Speaker 3: know he's tall enough, but he ain't.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, Like, it's just so hard because this position
Speaker 1: in the NBA is such a unique body type. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like you need a guy
Speaker 1: who's like six seven, but.
Speaker 3: Get what go against the norm Charles Barkleys against the noise.
Speaker 3: But Baby Davids, we're.
Speaker 4: Not saying we're not in this whole debate that these
Speaker 4: guys can go and play. We're just saying this is
Speaker 4: the team we would make. So I just want to
Speaker 4: get that clip before you, Oh you think those guys
Speaker 4: because you know, get a little that.
Speaker 2: But but I remember when I first got in the league.
Speaker 2: We used to the NFC East used to meet and
Speaker 2: hoop in the summer time, and we used to do
Speaker 2: it all the time in Dallas. So we used to
Speaker 2: literally go edit man like all the time, and guys
Speaker 2: could way better than you thought they could.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I played with anybody who would
Speaker 1: be like a good power forward uh Fred Johnson, b
Speaker 1: J Brad Johnson. I want to say, like Miles Garrett
Speaker 1: for this, or like Pepper s would be the other one.
Speaker 1: I'd say here I played with. I feel like, is
Speaker 1: there an offensive lineman that is like just crazy, like
Speaker 1: like would he be a good one?
Speaker 4: Chris Sammuews Chris got them sugar them sugar ankles, you know,
Speaker 4: like them sugar antle like that in church.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Chris ain't no hoop hoop like saying be man McKenna.
Speaker 2: Some of them they can play tack. They cannot play basketball.
Speaker 2: No big Mac just human is huge. I think people
Speaker 2: don't understand.
Speaker 3: How big the dude is.
Speaker 4: Man ain't playing, ain't gonna play no ball now. I
Speaker 4: think you can find some tight ends period that'll be
Speaker 4: good power forward. Tight end definitely.
Speaker 3: Put that, But.
Speaker 2: Listen, tight ends can get the job done. We already
Speaker 2: brought up Jimmy Graham. We're like tight ends can get
Speaker 2: the job done. They rougher than basketball player. They gonn
Speaker 2: they're gonna be stronging in basketball players.
Speaker 1: Who would you pick? Like from uh from Washington?
Speaker 2: Like who we already said Jordan Reid is probably the best.
Speaker 2: I mean all right, uh, what's the name right now?
Speaker 2: Let's go on the roster right now?
Speaker 3: Cole Turner probably.
Speaker 4: Like easier you could have got your boy who just
Speaker 4: was here last year?
Speaker 3: Eighty two, uh, eighty two Logan, Thomas Loga.
Speaker 2: Thomas Logan, Thomas most definitely what about the other kid
Speaker 2: we got.
Speaker 1: Curtis Hurtis hot out with the money.
Speaker 3: Ron Rogers like.
Speaker 4: You can fly out a hoop, Yeah, like a the
Speaker 4: wide receiver eighty nine, Oh, Tremade Tremaine.
Speaker 1: He's six five though. That's the thing. Basketball players are
Speaker 1: so big, bro so big. So yeah, not really good
Speaker 1: answer for for hot center. We hadn't mean for center.
Speaker 4: Because now it's all about it's all about strength at
Speaker 4: the center.
Speaker 3: It ain't around.
Speaker 4: They got more center shooting freeball, and that's and that's
Speaker 4: the reason why my Timperwolf losing because we can't get
Speaker 4: Big Cat to get in the post.
Speaker 3: He want to shoot through threes all day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sugar cat.
Speaker 3: Can we need him in the post where Rudy go
Speaker 3: bath sugar Cane. Yeah, we can't do nothing with him.
Speaker 1: We know, like Trent Brown, the tackle for Cincinnaty's six eight,
Speaker 1: he's like four hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: What about thanos to get him out there.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, come on now, and we see
Speaker 2: the dude right But for North Carolina State the basketball
Speaker 2: player the three hundred.
Speaker 1: Pounds, oh yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: You know they say a couple of inn NFL teams
Speaker 2: called him. Yeah, and he didn't sitting the five pounds
Speaker 2: for the NBA DREP. So he looks his body looks
Speaker 2: totally right now, so they go, they go, a football
Speaker 2: player playing basketball right there.
Speaker 3: If you really want to know, like ether like big z,
Speaker 3: what the dude name was?
Speaker 4: Who played in Rudolf Zack Randolpha, Yep, you're a mommy man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Uh, Center London Fletcher, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I have no no London. We're gonna bring London sixps on.
Speaker 1: Your paper for the further commanders for the center.
Speaker 3: Y'all blew Mine often said Drake Conter can't play no.
Speaker 2: Basketball, y'all saying Drake, I gotta get I gotta get somebody.
Speaker 3: This ro like that. Drake comes off as Dennis Rodman.
Speaker 3: I'm only here to rebound.
Speaker 1: What he'd be doing like Morgan Moses. Is he nimble
Speaker 1: enoughing I hoop with him sometimes?
Speaker 3: Is he nimble enough?
Speaker 1: He's pretty?
Speaker 4: Okay, Well you know something that I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So guys like that maybe, and I'm telling you LeVar
Speaker 2: hell of an athlete. Man, Okay, I got the perfect guy.
Speaker 2: Plexico Burds for the center as a senator, plex six
Speaker 2: six man.
Speaker 3: He put him into the plex Plexic for next here receiver.
Speaker 4: He ain't trying to get down that bang and ain't small, no,
Speaker 4: but he ain't banging like plex was like this, not
Speaker 4: play basketball.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking body type. And Johnny Wilson that came
Speaker 1: from Philadelphia, easy dude. He looks like a ball player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope he ain't. Hope hehi't ball that I want.
Speaker 3: I want to get him. I hope he balled out,
Speaker 3: but no, don't.
Speaker 1: All right, So six man who we got London flood
Speaker 1: to Fletcher my six man, Leonon Fletcher low.
Speaker 3: Green coming off the bench.
Speaker 4: Did he play and commplate in college?
Speaker 3: London can flat out now.
Speaker 2: I know he used to get hoop before he got
Speaker 2: that dad by went to school to play back.
Speaker 3: But right he could hoop.
Speaker 1: Now he probably my point guard man, No would be gritty,
Speaker 1: just gritty tough.
Speaker 3: That was Russell Curry out.
Speaker 4: I feel, I feel I like London period. I told
Speaker 4: him he was trying lending to my six man. I
Speaker 4: just put him in six member because I used to trying.
Speaker 1: He was always trying.
Speaker 4: He always got agenda when to come to London.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know if he came up with
Speaker 1: a good team. So we got Fred Smooth, Jason Campbell,
Speaker 1: h we got the house, Jordan Reid, Powerford. I heard
Speaker 1: who we said for power forward, LeVar LeVar, and then
Speaker 1: the center. We didn't really have a good Oh Trent
Speaker 1: Trent Williams. That's not bad. That's not a bad starting five.
Speaker 1: And then London that's all right.
Speaker 4: The boys ain't gona win no games.
Speaker 3: Playing the camp Boys.
Speaker 4: Who they got the Giants game that everybody size, everybody
Speaker 4: has a side deficiency.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, if is there any I can't
Speaker 1: even think of one person of this list that that
Speaker 1: is even close to making every roster, even even even
Speaker 1: like Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett would make it.
Speaker 4: No, he ain't.
Speaker 1: Man. That man is like two league.
Speaker 3: But think about it.
Speaker 2: If he was in basketball, he wouldn't be trying to
Speaker 2: be the biggest he would he He just.
Speaker 4: He just big like.
Speaker 3: You. I understand. Some kids just come out beat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a big old horse.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That what I'm saying. Can you name me?
Speaker 1: Name me one person, one player in the NFL that
Speaker 1: can play in the NBA right now? One?
Speaker 3: First of all, I promise you was one hundreds of them.
Speaker 4: Hundreds hundreds ain't to be in an argument stopping you
Speaker 4: know me would be.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you how this guy, this guy probably
Speaker 2: can't play no football, but.
Speaker 4: He can hoo.
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones, Okay, quarterback for the Giant. Listen to me.
Speaker 3: Have you watch this dude shoot basketball all? Watch his
Speaker 3: hoigh draft?
Speaker 1: How have you watched some shoot.
Speaker 3: I don't know how I can't pack just clipping here
Speaker 3: doing three sixty. Dog? You say he can't, he can't,
Speaker 3: he can't play No quarterback.
Speaker 4: He can't.
Speaker 3: He can't play every time. Yeah, I know he can
Speaker 3: play two two weeks.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying he damn Youel Jones can flat out?
Speaker 1: But is it?
Speaker 2: Is it NBA? Let me tell you something. T O
Speaker 2: could have played in the in in NBA. I'm telling
Speaker 2: you now, Terrell on Terrell play in college too.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of dudes that play in college.
Speaker 1: You can't play in the NBA.
Speaker 2: Well, get what Charlie Wood said, you know what, forget football,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3: Hoop for the Knicks And he did.
Speaker 1: That's one guy.
Speaker 4: Come on, come on't I know?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I keep looking at you like I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: support from you. But all right, So okay, a couple
Speaker 1: of things leave in the comments. First off, what's your
Speaker 1: starting five from commanders in from around the NFL. Two?
Speaker 1: Is there one player you can think of from Monte
Speaker 1: Adams from a high weight speed standpoint, they could play
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Please leave a comment, can't wait to
Speaker 1: hear and we'll read the best answer on the next show.
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