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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on these are our

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<v Speaker 2>stories done done? Who do you who? Welcome to that's

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<v Speaker 2>messed up in sv podcast. I am Lisa and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not Ava. And why did you pause for so long?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it because I said.

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<v Speaker 3>Who do you who?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're on a lag Like I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>lagging because of Hotel Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're on the highatt Internet. We are in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 2>The wide release is on Halloween. Spooky boo.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Happy Halloween. You little you, little dick

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<v Speaker 1>will babies. I hope everybody had a I hope everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a Rollins or Olivia Benson inspired costume or I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, maybe you're the Q tip guy from that episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love some deep cut Halloween costumes.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us know, guys, Yeah, tag us in your Halloween

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<v Speaker 2>costumes if you're doing any SVU stuff. People have come

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<v Speaker 2>to our live show dressed as people from the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's usually a really big treat. Yes, we get

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<v Speaker 2>really excited. What I'm not excited about. We get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Amanda Rollins because I go, there's a lag.

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<v Speaker 3>I think everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we put out a really high quality product

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe this will be weird for them, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>women on the go. I don't know we're in a

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<v Speaker 2>titanic looking hotel. But last time we were on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the hotel and it was such a

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<v Speaker 2>far walk on the car.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm so glad we're above the lobby. I feel blessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I remember, we're right down the street from the

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<v Speaker 1>Presidential Suite, and I'd love to know we're down the hall.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to know what it looks like. I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 3>to get a peek.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I noticed the Presidential Suite sign as well, and oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously I need to take a moment because we

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<v Speaker 1>are coming to you live from adjacent hotel rooms, so

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<v Speaker 1>you do know.

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<v Speaker 3>We are on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>We're next week we will be kicking off our Salt

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<v Speaker 1>Lake City and the Midwest tour leg. So on November fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be at Salt Lake City. On the fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be in Chicago. Guys, We're playing Park

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<v Speaker 1>West in Chicago. Lisa now Chicago better than I do,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a iconic venue.

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<v Speaker 3>Please come see us there.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we're doing Madison, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, and Saint Louis all

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<v Speaker 1>in a row in that week of November, so please

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<v Speaker 1>come see us. And then Sacramento we're coming to you

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<v Speaker 1>in mid December, and New York we added a second show, Babies.

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<v Speaker 1>Our six o'clock show was basically sold out, and then

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<v Speaker 1>our nine o'clock show has been added, so let's close

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<v Speaker 1>the night with another full house. Come see us in

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<v Speaker 1>New York and then Yeah, Philly on the seventeenth, and

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't announced it on the pod yet, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>been on a little bit on social media. We are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in Seattle. We're coming back Seattle to

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<v Speaker 1>the Wet Comedy Festival. I believe it's called which makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense because Seattle is damp. But I believe our show

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<v Speaker 1>is on Saturday, the sixth of January. But that's all

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<v Speaker 1>going to be on our Instagram and our That's Best

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<v Speaker 1>up Live dot com website where you can get tickets

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<v Speaker 1>for all the shows I just mentioned. So coming to you,

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<v Speaker 1>come see us.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the January sixth of it all because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing stand up that night too, and I, uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Fly art says January sixth. Then it does have

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<v Speaker 2>name recognition. I wonder if it'll prevail like nine to

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<v Speaker 2>eleven or go with the wind. But yeah, January sixth

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<v Speaker 2>is fresh in all of our minds. So but I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I am doing stand up in Salt Lake City, San Diego,

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles, November second. I think that's it. There might

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<v Speaker 2>be another city. I'm doing the best I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Also, Lisa's doing stand up on January sixth. We're

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<v Speaker 1>January seventh, so come see us at the Wet Comedy

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<v Speaker 1>Festival in Seattle. Sorry for all the dates. We are

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<v Speaker 1>having some travel things today. I just flew in this

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<v Speaker 1>morning to Cleveland on a red eye, which you know

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<v Speaker 1>those are always fun. I did have my own row

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<v Speaker 1>a blessing from above, so I really stretched out and

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<v Speaker 1>let my entire side go numb for a nice flight.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I got here and we'd stayed at this

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<v Speaker 1>hotel before and it seemed like they had so many

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<v Speaker 1>rooms and it was pretty empty, and so I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't even like try to get in the night before.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just like go I get here and they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're fully booked.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a conference in town. No rooms till till noon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's seven thirty in the morning and I've gotten about

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<v Speaker 1>two hours of sleep on a red eye.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, no rooms till noon? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Not then a little love seat, anywhere to sit. There

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<v Speaker 1>are just four upright chairs in a circle, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting next to a man watching videos with his sound on. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I do not condone this, and I just I just

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<v Speaker 1>fall asleep sitting up. Eventually everybody that's sitting in the

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<v Speaker 1>chairs is gone. It's a quiet time. It's just Kara

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<v Speaker 1>and the people that work in the lobby. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting up, sleeping up right. A woman comes up to

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<v Speaker 1>me that works at the hotel and taps me on

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<v Speaker 1>the shoulder and goes, ma'am, are you all right? And

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<v Speaker 1>I go yeah. She's like, can I help you? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for a room? Like in what what world am

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<v Speaker 1>I just hanging out at this Ohio fucking hiatt, just

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here sleeping like I'm wearing clean clothes.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a.

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<v Speaker 1>Carry on bag with a laptop on my lap, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think I'm doing? I'm too old to

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<v Speaker 1>be a runaway, so I don't understand what you think

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<v Speaker 1>is going on.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a little runaway. Yeah, hopefully that's a key enough

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<v Speaker 3>we can keep it in. I like your singing.

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<v Speaker 1>And so she goes, oh, are you are you ready

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<v Speaker 1>for first available room? And I go, yes, I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 1>upright sleeping like.

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<v Speaker 2>A crazy person. Give me a fucking janitor's closet. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even care.

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<v Speaker 1>So then she comes back and at nine am she

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<v Speaker 1>has a room for me, and I'm like, great, so

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't noon, it was nine and I could go

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep. But yeah, I just I couldn't imagine what

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<v Speaker 1>She woke me up so gently, like let me take

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<v Speaker 1>care of this indigent woman in a that's messed up

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<v Speaker 1>purple sweatshirt, Like I'm wearing merch from my podcast, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't look like I'm here to make a new

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<v Speaker 1>home in your lobby.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I saw your purple sweatshirt and on

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<v Speaker 2>your Instagram, and I got jealous.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, where is mine?

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably hanging somewhere, but I'm like, where the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>is my purple sweatshirt?

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<v Speaker 3>It's so fucking cute. Listen, we have cute merch.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a really pleasant lift ride.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He really loves zoos and aquariums and listen, so do I.

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<v Speaker 2>So we really bonded and we talked, you know, animals and.

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<v Speaker 3>The zoos they stay in. It was just like fun.

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<v Speaker 2>He used to work at an aquarium gift shop and

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<v Speaker 2>he said the number one toy that would sell out

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<v Speaker 2>is unicorns. And it's like, what the fuck You're at

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<v Speaker 2>an aquarium, what are you buying unicorns for? And he

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<v Speaker 2>goes they were sold out. We couldn't keep the unicorns

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<v Speaker 2>in stock. And he goes and all the parents would

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<v Speaker 2>fight with their kids and be like, why are you

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<v Speaker 2>getting a unicorn? We're at the aquarium, like look at

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<v Speaker 2>all these fish, and the kids were like fuck that.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I just like liked that little tidfit because

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<v Speaker 2>you can get a norwall, which is a real life unicorn.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes see.

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<v Speaker 2>Which was it our friend or was it you that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know they were real until it?

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of me?

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<v Speaker 1>It was famously I did not know that narwals were

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<v Speaker 1>real and are both of our friend child and my

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<v Speaker 1>child wore the same narwal and the onesie And at

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<v Speaker 1>one point I was like, well, they're not real, and my.

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<v Speaker 3>Husband was like, yes they are. I thought they were, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought they were magical creatures. I had never heard

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<v Speaker 3>of a norm Wall. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if it wasn't for the Shed Aquarium in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I would know that information.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, I also feel like, because we record so

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<v Speaker 2>far in advance and we have to like do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of flip flopping, like all the Taylor Swift stuff

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about, it's already outdated, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. But they went to the Waverly in

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<v Speaker 2>for dyea and that is a restaurant that is dear

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<v Speaker 2>to my heart.

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<v Speaker 3>So I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel connected. And they went to Nobu, which I'm into.

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<v Speaker 2>Get a blackmasa odd delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's another celebrity couple I've never really gotten your

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<v Speaker 1>take on. And maybe you're gonna give me a big

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care, But uh, where are you on? Kylie

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<v Speaker 1>and Tshell? Kylie Jenner and Timothy Challamey?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I hope it's not real, but maybe they have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot in common. Like it's just I guess they're

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<v Speaker 2>both fashion young and hot.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Is he a.

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<v Speaker 2>Stepdaddy, Like I just I know, I can't imagine what

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<v Speaker 2>is going on. And maybe because he was in Little Women,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's smarter than he is. Like to me,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like this thespian and she's like a vapid idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, she is a businesswoman, so that's rude.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do love the way she parents. All the

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<v Speaker 2>videos of her and her child are so cute.

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<v Speaker 3>He's really patient. Baby Stormy is really cute.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just really cute. I don't know if we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>him or I haven't, but I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It just seems weird, but good for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw something on my Instagram recently that was like

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy Shallaby wants his relationship to be private, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, well, you guys could literally buy an

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<v Speaker 1>island to go hang out on. But you're out, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're out in the public. People are seeing you. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's a wild relationship. I just didn't think any of

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<v Speaker 1>the Kardashians would be banging Oscar nominees.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't. What are you talking about? World surprises you?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel they've conquered the NBA, they conquered music

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<v Speaker 2>and what's next?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're writings? Acting was next? Acting was next? So

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't see it. I just didn't see it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, what I want to know is, let's say these

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<v Speaker 2>are pr relationships, you know, like, are they still fucking

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<v Speaker 2>and it's fun and they have a vibe and they're

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<v Speaker 2>in on it? Are they sitting in silence? Are they

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<v Speaker 2>even eating dinner when they're seen at someone's house? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are they doing in there? Or do they just

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<v Speaker 2>feed the the tabloids the stories of who slept where

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not even going to each other's homes? Like

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to know everything. And you do have

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<v Speaker 2>friends that were at the SNL party with them, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have to get some information.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll get some intel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like how real does it seem? And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>care either way, but I do care. I'm also so

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<v Speaker 2>behind on Bravo.

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<v Speaker 3>It's sick. It's sick. Listen, well let's start.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing I'm so behind. I'm seeing memes memes of

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<v Speaker 1>the finale. You guys are writing, going. I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to hear your guys take on the finale. Haven't watched

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<v Speaker 1>it yet. It's so sad. I mean, by the time

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<v Speaker 1>this episode comes out, I'll obviously have watched it. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't make it to Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, but they're probably gonna hear about it on Christmas,

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<v Speaker 2>like Christmas happened, and you're like, Wow, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the finale of Rony Equal.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Cleveland looks beautiful out the window. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to close the shutters and sleep block

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<v Speaker 2>out the light of Cleveland. Yeah, I eat my little

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<v Speaker 2>snacks that my mom packs me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, not to be a.

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<v Speaker 1>Downer, but this is our first episode. Yes, the amazing

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<v Speaker 1>Joanna Merlin passed away.

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<v Speaker 3>She played Judge Petrowsky.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to find the email where she passed on

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast, but I can't find it. But obviously I

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<v Speaker 1>do remember that she said sounds fun, but not at

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<v Speaker 1>this time or something like that. So I like the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that she even knew our podcast existed and thought

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<v Speaker 1>it's quote unquote sounded fun. So I it's crazy because

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<v Speaker 1>you watch episodes where she's only in one scene, two scenes.

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<v Speaker 3>She's such a scene stealer. She's so good. We all

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<v Speaker 3>will remember how she would call Cabot Alexandra. That's exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what I was thinking in my head right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, cue yeah and I just yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>we just we posted it on our Instagram obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>we hadn't had a chance to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>We love her.

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<v Speaker 2>She is the most beloved, like she really is, and

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<v Speaker 2>she is such a staple and we will think about

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<v Speaker 2>her positivity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's other judges we've you know, we've got more

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<v Speaker 1>doc We've got Lois, Lewis Louise, We've got so many

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<v Speaker 1>judges that we like.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, there's Zosha Mammet's mother.

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<v Speaker 2>There's is that the gym teacher one I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>she's got the short hair and like very Connecticut sort

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<v Speaker 2>of way of talking.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also like the gray haired guy, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then all the judges, the guy who tends his roses

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<v Speaker 2>but oh yeah, all the pedophile judges. But also Cory

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<v Speaker 2>Horowitz but that's not his name, Horowitz, But is he

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<v Speaker 2>a judge? He becomes a judge, That's what I like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there's Georgie from Girls, I mean, I mean from Sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, not Girls Sisters. There's so many good judges,

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<v Speaker 1>but Petrowski is a cut above and we hope she

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<v Speaker 1>her family is doing well and she's resting in peace.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really God, Casey found the email.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, do you want to read it since

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<v Speaker 2>you've read it since?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this is from Joanna Merlin. This is an

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<v Speaker 1>email she sent to our booker. My apologies. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I had responded, but obviously was mistaken. I appreciate your

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<v Speaker 1>invitation and the show sounds like fun, but I must

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<v Speaker 1>decline too many reasons to explain, but I cannot participate.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Valentine's Day, Best Joanna Merlin. Oh my gosh, Casey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad you found that.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that he that she wrote Happy Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 3>That is so sweet, and I'm sure the reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just like, She's like, I'm at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>my life and I really don't need to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>a weird podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, also, this podcast is extra weird right

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<v Speaker 2>now because me and you are in identical hotel rooms,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like the matrix shifted, Like this can be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things where people are like, this is.

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<v Speaker 3>How we know we're in a you know, simulation. Wait, Casey,

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<v Speaker 3>take a screenshot. This is really funny.

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<v Speaker 1>We're both just sitting in our hotel rooms, same exact

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<v Speaker 1>artwork behind us. Yeah, we're just in a it's just

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<v Speaker 1>for technical reason, it doesn't make sense for us to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the same room. So we're in adjacent hotel rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>We can hear each other through the wall, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing our intros on our beds.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also doing the craziest thing, which is unraveling a

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<v Speaker 2>crinkly candy, which is such a funny.

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<v Speaker 3>If that were me, you would be like, what are

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<v Speaker 3>you doing? All right, let's get this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're gonna get this show on the road. Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a good episode for you. Don't go anywhere, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going back to two thousand and one Babies Secrets,

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<v Speaker 1>season two, episode twelve, And I believe we were prompted.

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<v Speaker 3>To do this episode, Liza, because you caught it on

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<v Speaker 3>TV or something. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I caught like the last you know, ten fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minutes of it and I was like, what is this.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen this in my whole fucking life. And

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<v Speaker 2>then all the listeners wrote were like, it's secrets, It's secrets,

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<v Speaker 2>And then watching it, I do remember some of the

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<v Speaker 2>red herrings and the suspects and things are coming together

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that I know that I had seen it,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, that's what prompted it. And it came Offembuorary

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<v Speaker 2>second two thousand and one. Shout out to my brother

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<v Speaker 2>in law, Elon, that's his birthday, and shout out to Sydney,

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<v Speaker 2>Washington and that is also her birthday day.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Groundhog Day two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 1>I also remember watching this episode a bunch of times,

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<v Speaker 1>but could not remember the ending until I saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I was doing this episode, like, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>who ends up doing it? Isn't it a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>her students, Like because there is an episode where Teach

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<v Speaker 1>where a teacher is killed by her students, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I was having fun, you know, kind of rediscovering a

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<v Speaker 1>new ending as well. So here we go. We open

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<v Speaker 1>on a super entering an apartment to fix the shitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Very classic and classical music is playing. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>very large New York apartment. He cannot find her. He's

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<v Speaker 1>like searching various rooms, and when he opens the bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>he does find Done Done, a naked woman face down

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<v Speaker 1>on the bed and the room has been ransacked. Cut

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<v Speaker 1>to Benson and Stabler arriving and He's like, uh, who

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<v Speaker 1>turned on the radio, And it's like, Stabler, when have

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<v Speaker 1>we ever seen CSU just like start jamming some tunes

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<v Speaker 1>while they process a scene, like, obviously, that's not what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>CSU technician Harry Martin, who I looked up and has

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<v Speaker 1>been on a dozen episodes of this show in seasons

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<v Speaker 1>one through four, but I am getting nothing from his

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<v Speaker 1>face in terms of recognition, tells Stabler that it was

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<v Speaker 1>on when she was found, and so he tells them

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<v Speaker 1>the victim's name is Marnie Owens, age thirty seven, lived alone.

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<v Speaker 1>This show loves a Marnie. I've never met a Marnie

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<v Speaker 1>in real life. Have you ever met a Marnie? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I just think about the show Girls. Yeah, there's Marnie

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<v Speaker 1>from Girls. There was Marnie in the episode Totem. There's

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<v Speaker 1>Marnie in this I just have never met a Marnie.

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<v Speaker 1>And they say her name so many times in this episode, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>is Marnie a diminutive for something? I wonder anyway, just wondering.

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<v Speaker 1>They finally kill the music. The super explains that Marnie

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<v Speaker 1>called the night before and said the toilet was keeping

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<v Speaker 1>her awake, and he looks very upset over what he

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<v Speaker 1>has gone through, like finding the body, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't look like he did it. He tells them

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<v Speaker 1>that when he got there the door was closed. He

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<v Speaker 1>thought maybe she slept through her alarm. And I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>like me on nine to eleven because I fully slept

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<v Speaker 1>through a lot of it because I was sleeping through

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<v Speaker 1>class and my alarm clock kept being like twin towers.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what is happening? These DJs are saying

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<v Speaker 1>some weird shit. It was a weird way to wake up.

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda calls them into the bedroom where the camera really

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<v Speaker 1>drinks in the dead body, like they do not do

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<v Speaker 1>shots like this anymore, Like it was a full like

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<v Speaker 1>ankle to risk shot of the body, like moving slowly

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<v Speaker 1>up her body to show you this like dead woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda tells them fluid and bruising around the genitals. Cause

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<v Speaker 1>of death is manual strungulation. And then she's been dead

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<v Speaker 1>about ten to twelve hours, and we see that she

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<v Speaker 1>did put up a fight. We'll know more after the autopsy.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, we always know more after the autopsy. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Boden Suddenly the phone starts ringing, and Stable's like nobody

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<v Speaker 1>pick it up, and she goes on the answering machine.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Marnie, you know the drill, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of funny way to put on your answer, very not

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<v Speaker 1>like nineties way to leave your answering machine. A woman

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<v Speaker 1>on the answering machine says, Hi, it's Ruth. It's ten am.

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<v Speaker 1>We're starting to worry call us and the caller ID

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<v Speaker 1>says NYC schools. So Elliott clocks that the wall behind

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<v Speaker 1>her desk is covered in awards for being the world's

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<v Speaker 1>best teacher. And then Stay goes school's out and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're no Jerry Orbach at this point. We're only on

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<v Speaker 1>season two. You are not that good at the punt

0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.960
<v Speaker 1>like the Penny one liners yet. So now top of

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<v Speaker 1>act one, Craigan can't believe that this woman survived teaching

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<v Speaker 1>in one of the city's worst high schools but isn't

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<v Speaker 1>safe in her own apartment, and I guess he just

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<v Speaker 1>thinks it's crazy that a student didn't kill her, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, that just seems like it's not really related.

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<v Speaker 1>But no doorman, no forced entry, no boyfriend. The dining

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<v Speaker 1>room was set up like a classroom. She seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>a dedicated teacher. The super has a clean record and

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<v Speaker 1>an alibi, and he looked sad, so that means he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do it. They found a half empty bottle of prozac,

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<v Speaker 1>and that becomes a huge part of the episode because,

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<v Speaker 1>like I guess, medication for mental health twenty two years

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<v Speaker 1>ago was not as commonplace because everybody's very like the prozac,

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<v Speaker 1>the prozac the whole time. And somebody says, if we

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<v Speaker 1>had her job, we might all be depressed.

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<v Speaker 3>I forgot probably stabler. It's like you do work at

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<v Speaker 3>SVU yees, Sir.

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<v Speaker 1>I antety president would help you forget about the toddler

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<v Speaker 1>you just found dead last week. But he refuses to

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<v Speaker 1>go to any therapy, so he'll never get any medication.

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.480
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't have any therapy appointments in her date book,

0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.520
<v Speaker 1>just tutoring appointments, and the last one was Ethan Chance

0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:17.760
<v Speaker 1>at six o'clock the night before. So Craigan sends Benson

0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.560
<v Speaker 1>is Stable to the high school to find out what's up.

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<v Speaker 3>And I bet Stable knows exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Where they were going and knows a shortcut to get there,

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<v Speaker 1>because he is an encyclopedia of New York City schools

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<v Speaker 1>at Douglas MacArthur High School. Betson and Stable are walking

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<v Speaker 1>and talking with the principal, who's like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>Marnie was so special.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a teacher I'd like to clone.

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<v Speaker 1>She transformed kids who were so behind into kids that

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<v Speaker 1>were getting into college. And she tutored her most challenging

0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.200
<v Speaker 1>students for free, and she had seniors write plays about

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.480
<v Speaker 1>their lives. Like she seems very dangerous minds Michelle Pfeiffer situation,

0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.640
<v Speaker 1>like she's really killing it and connecting with the kids.

0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.680
<v Speaker 1>She never really shared much about her life outside, the

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<v Speaker 1>principal says, and she's like, we were friends at school,

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<v Speaker 1>but outside, like we never were grabbing a drink or anything.

0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.720
<v Speaker 1>They said she missed a meeting on Friday, which was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in five years. They're like, what's the

0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.040
<v Speaker 1>deal with Ethan Chance. She goes, oh, that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>her prodigies, a kid from a drug corner who has

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<v Speaker 1>a real shot at college. Now she gets choked up

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<v Speaker 1>showing them Marnie's classroom and then leaves to go get Ethan.

0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.399
<v Speaker 1>There's a vigil on her desk like gifts flowers. People

0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 1>are like kind of standing by it, looking upset and

0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.560
<v Speaker 1>some people are leaving stuff there. One mom goes, are

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<v Speaker 1>you guys the cops and she's like, my daughter's going

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<v Speaker 1>to graduate because of Marnie. You gotta find the man

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<v Speaker 1>who did this to us and Ethan it turns out

0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.760
<v Speaker 1>never showed up for school that morning, so that's not

0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.720
<v Speaker 1>good news. He doesn't have a dad in the picture,

0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:39.760
<v Speaker 1>and his mom is a teller at a bank on

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<v Speaker 1>La Fayette, So that's very impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that the principal just.

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<v Speaker 1>Like knows what the mom does and where she works

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<v Speaker 1>to Like, I wonder if they ask my kids principle,

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.200
<v Speaker 1>if they'd be like, oh, she's a podcaster sex crimes.

0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:51.960
<v Speaker 1>You can probably find her in her garage right now,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you ask the principal, I would love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think the principal knows who I am. So

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<v Speaker 1>now they go and talk to Ethan's mom and it

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<v Speaker 1>is friend of the pod Sayita Erica Akelona aka Natalie.

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<v Speaker 3>We did interview her. She is in so many episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she pops up so much in SVU it is incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She It was just in an episode that we covered

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<v Speaker 1>at one of our live shows called and just look

0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.680
<v Speaker 1>like and or just look like one. And so we've

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<v Speaker 1>been getting a lot of extra nardally in our lives lately.

0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.040
<v Speaker 1>So she thought Ethan went to school early, and she's worried.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, miss Owens is not going to tolerate him

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<v Speaker 1>missing school. But then they break the news like, oh,

0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:33.879
<v Speaker 1>miss Owens has been murdered, and she goes, oh, dear God, no,

0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, I owe her a lot. She turned

0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Ethan around, showed him that there was a better life

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.040
<v Speaker 1>than dealing drugs. She told him she would not be

0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:44.159
<v Speaker 1>bringing him a care package on the slammer. So miss

0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Owens was helping turn his ass around. He came home

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<v Speaker 1>at eleven o'clock that night, she says. The mom feels

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.040
<v Speaker 1>the vibe that they're suspicious of her son, and she's like,

0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:54.800
<v Speaker 1>this is not him, no way. He's been in trouble

0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:56.760
<v Speaker 1>with drugs, but he's straightened out. He's a good boy.

0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 1>They're like, okay, well did he say anything about tutoring,

0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.399
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, well, he said. Miss Owens yelled at

0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:03.560
<v Speaker 1>him when she asked why, he stormed off to his

0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:04.440
<v Speaker 1>room slammed the door.

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<v Speaker 3>When she woke up this morning, he was gone. Doesn't

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 3>sound great.

0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 1>She tells them that when he used to cut school,

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 1>he'd hang out with these losers on Suffolk and Revington.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we cut to Munch and Finn in the

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.280
<v Speaker 1>freezing New York City air interviewing an old lady neighbor

0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 1>of Marnie's. She's like, we were neighbors for six years.

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 1>She came to visit me at rehab when I fell

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 1>last year. She's such a nice girl, not like that

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:26.560
<v Speaker 1>other one down the hall, and calls her a corva,

0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 1>which is our resident Yiddish translator. Munch says means whore,

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.200
<v Speaker 1>but I googled it and it also means slut and bitch,

0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:33.920
<v Speaker 1>so we love that.

0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.160
<v Speaker 3>Uh hey, how loud is it? Said?

0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 1>K u r v e h is what it said

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<v Speaker 1>in uh absssed. Yeah, so we can start being like

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:49.879
<v Speaker 1>curva please. She noticed that one of Marnie's students went

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.119
<v Speaker 1>into her apartment around supper time. He looked like a

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 1>hood and this woman is obviously like Karen like, she

0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:58.400
<v Speaker 1>seems like she's racist with a side of slut shaming.

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.560
<v Speaker 1>And she says he was a black kid with a

0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.280
<v Speaker 1>brown jacket. She heard some loud voices while she was

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.040
<v Speaker 1>eating her dinner, but she couldn't hear much.

0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 3>She's old.

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Her son had to get her special headphones so she

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.440
<v Speaker 1>could hear my Rosie, and I'm assuming she's talking about

0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the Rosi o' donald talk show, which I did name

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Rosie after Rosi o' donnell, so that means a lot

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't, but can you imagine if I did so.

0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Regarding boyfriends, the only one she ever saw was Byron,

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a doctor, and she hasn't seen him in a while.

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Regarding family, her parents are dead. Her brother Jordan is

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:31.760
<v Speaker 1>all she has left and she hasn't seen him for years. Wow,

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>this woman knows a lot about Marnie's life For a neighbor.

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Cut to the body identification. Jordan, the brother is there

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>and he's like I told my dumb dead sister she

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.879
<v Speaker 1>had to have a doorman, like I love. Like in hindsight,

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 1>that's like how he's grieving is to blame her for

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:50.240
<v Speaker 1>not having a doorman. Finn and Munch ask about the

0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 1>doctor boyfriend and the brother's like boyfriend, Tria Fair. He's married,

0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:56.680
<v Speaker 1>so we find out his name is Byron Marx and

0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 1>he's a surgeon at Bellevue He also told her to

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>stay away from the married guy. So this guy seems

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.160
<v Speaker 1>like a really fun brother. Cut to Benson and Stabler

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 1>arriving on a street corner, rap is blaring. Kids are

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.199
<v Speaker 1>gathered in a group on the sidewalk and they're like,

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you've seen Ethan and they go, Ethan Hawk, you got

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the wrong hood man, and I do love that, like

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the cops pulling up being excuse me, have you guys

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>seen the Star of before and before Midnight?

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Ethan Hawk?

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 1>So that Stabler goes, don't play us, He's such a dork.

0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.560
<v Speaker 1>He holds up the picture and they're like, oh, little

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.160
<v Speaker 1>e he's too good for us. Now they start busting

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 1>their balls about skipping school, like why aren't you guys

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>in school? And then the kids are like, I got

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the flu and it's the other ones like it's contagious.

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 3>So these kids are funny.

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Get into an improv class, yeah, engage them.

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, build on their comedic timing, their sense of humor.

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 3>I bet Martnie would have done that.

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.679
<v Speaker 1>Sadly, she has gone, we're gonna ask you one more

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>time about Ethan, and if we don't like the answer,

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:55.359
<v Speaker 1>we play show and tell. And it's like okay, Benson

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.439
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler with the stop and frisk. I don't love that, Like,

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to have to defend you guys. And

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 1>they're annoyed because talking to the cops doesn't make them

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:05.160
<v Speaker 1>look good like on the street if people see them,

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 1>So when they start to move in for the arrest,

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 1>they're like, okay, okay, okay. Last night he was complaining

0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>about his teacher in the schoolyard. He said they had

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 1>a fight. He didn't say anything about it though, like,

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>nothing about the fight. So now talking to the doctor Byron,

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>who says it wasn't really an affair. He and his

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 1>wife were separated at the time, and they're like, oh,

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 1>is that why you split? And he goes, well, that

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 1>was a long time coming. He tells them that him

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>and Martie met in a mentoring program for inner city

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:31.679
<v Speaker 1>kids and the last time he spoke to her was

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>the night they broke up three months ago. He was

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>looking for a relationship, she wasn't. He's a self proclaimed

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 1>nestor and was ready to settle down with Marnie and

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.640
<v Speaker 1>her commitment was to her kids at her school. So

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.119
<v Speaker 1>last night, he said he was at dinner with his

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.120
<v Speaker 1>new girlfriend and then spent the night at her apartment.

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>She's also a nestor. I know, I hate like I

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>think it's just homebody is a better word. But at

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Ethan's apartment, the mom is desperate to help.

0:26:56.359 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and messer sounds sinister in a way little nests

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 2>in your home.

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Or yeah, I guess because empty nester has to do

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 1>with kids. I just feel like it doesn't involve it's

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:10.440
<v Speaker 1>not the same thing. It's just wanting to stay home.

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>At Ethan's apartment, the mom is really desperate to help.

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 1>She's like, I've called around everywhere to find him. I

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>can't find him. They ask, can we check his room?

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>She's like sure. When they search it, Benson is like, wow,

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the room is really clean. And then they find a

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>crumpled up piece of paper and it looks like she

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.400
<v Speaker 1>was teaching more than just English, they say. The mom

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 1>comes over to see it and goes, good, lord, what

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.199
<v Speaker 1>was she doing to my son? And we see the

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:35.920
<v Speaker 1>paper is a photo of Marnie naked and basically doing

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:38.199
<v Speaker 1>the bend and snap from legally blonde like she's just

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>fully bent over. And this is shocking because you know,

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Teacher of the Year and teachers are not allowed to

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>be sexual or enjoy sex in anyway. At the precinct,

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 1>they're updating Kragan and it's.

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Like famously that most teachers were sluts in high school.

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.919
<v Speaker 2>They were the party animals. If you see a nurse

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 2>or a teacher that was a slut. Yeah, so yeah,

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna be fucking. It's kind of the number one

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>porn fantasy is teacher student. Not that we support that, right,

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 2>that's not think teachers are out there fucking is.

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:16.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 1>So at the precinct they're updating Kragan and he's like,

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>get Marnie's PC down to computer crimes and like we'll

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>see what else is on the hard drive. Maybe Ethan

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>feels guilty and we'll show up at the funeral tomorrow,

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 1>they say so. At Saint James Church, we're at the

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 1>day of the funeral. Stabler's in the car while Finn

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:36.679
<v Speaker 1>is outside undercover. They're looking out for Ethan. Finn looks

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>like the biggest cop if you've ever seen one. He's

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>just standing outside the funeral like arms crossed over each other,

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 1>looking straight ahead, like he fully looks like a cop.

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>So when the kid is passing to come into the church,

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>he totally realizes it's a cop. He breaks out running.

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>We hear screeching tires, sirens. Benson starts booking after him

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>on the street, so does Finn. They finally grab him.

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Finn slams him against the wall and is like, that's

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>making me run on my bad knee, and I I

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>love that there's extra anger because he's like, I got

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 1>a bumny. He says I didn't do anything, and they

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.719
<v Speaker 1>arrest him and said, your mother's looking for you. So

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that's the end of act one. In interrogation, they ask

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>why did you run? And he's quiet, he doesn't answer.

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 2>And this guy, his photo is like the main that's

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>the Hulu photo. I feel, oh, okay, this man's face

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 2>so many times, that's when it all clicks. When I

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 2>saw his face is when it all clicks for me, Like, okay,

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I've seen this or just the thumbnail over and over again,

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 2>who knows.

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I saw a thumbnail of like a season

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>two episode the other day that was Amorro and Rollins.

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 3>I was like, this is a mistake, Huloo.

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>But we've caught their mistakes before, much like how they

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 1>misnumber all of the episodes. Okay, so they slap down

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the naked picture of Marty in front of him, and

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>then Ben goes, when did you two start knocking boots?

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:51.719
<v Speaker 3>And Ethan's like, what the fuck what?

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>And he feels bad because the last time he saw

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>her he said he called her a whore. And then

0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>he's but he's not like talking or giving them informa,

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.719
<v Speaker 1>and so Finn pulls him aside and goes, here's the deal, dude,

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you were the last to see her. You've got this

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>picture of her. You ram this all looks really bad

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>for you. Give us something or you're fucked, and he goes,

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like have that picture. Little Camp gave me

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>the picture and they're like, who's little Camp? And it's

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Marcus Cole. He said he found it messing around on

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the internet and that missus Owens was advertising for sex.

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Marcus said he was going to spread the picture all

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>around school because mss Owens was on him about cutting class.

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing his work, so he was going to

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>like revenge shame her, and at the tutoring sash, he

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>showed miss Owens the picture, trying to warn her. Then

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>she starts yelling at him like it's his fault and

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 1>tells him.

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 3>To get out.

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>He denies doing anything wrong, and he says he was

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>just trying to help her. He went back the next

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>morning before school to like apologize, and he saw cops

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 1>all over her place, and he asked somebody in the

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>crowd what happened, and they said, oh, a woman was

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>murdered on the third floor, a teacher. And he's really

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 1>sad because he's like, miss Owens never judged me. She

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 1>said I could be something, and I called her a

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>whore and that's the last words I said to her.

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>So he's sad, and Benson's like, did she ever touch you?

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>And he even acts like a student called you a whore?

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 2>It'd be like, okay, what that's Yeah, I'm shocked.

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Benson asks if he's if she's ever touched it.

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like, Benson, I don't know, I don't know. It

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 1>seems like a weird question. After all of like we've

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>already established that. He's like, wait, what nothing happened and

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 1>he goes, she never laid a hand on me. So

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>coming out of that interview, Finn believes Ethan and they're like, Okay,

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 1>what's the story with Marcus Cole Stabler looks at the

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>file and goes, well, well, well if it isn't flu boy.

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's one of the guys from the corner who

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 1>was cutting school, going I have the flu. One of

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>our comedians. They bring him in and he las he's funny,

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>he's been on this stage before, and he's like, oh, yeah,

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I found the picture online.

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 3>I didn't make it. I'm just a consumer.

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>And he didn't like her because she wasn't going to

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 1>graduate him and Stabler leans in and like whispers the

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 1>close talker that he is, and he goes, news flash,

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 1>you gotta show up to class to graduate.

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Like he's so crazy, how he tries his intimidation tactics

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, yeah, but I wouldn't kill a bitch

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 2>over fucking like not graduating, Like that's not my thing.

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>He says, I'll take a blood test, I'll take any

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>test you want. So on the other side of the glass,

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Kraigan's like, well that was too easy. It's probably not

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>this guy. Munch says that Marnie didn't have any prose.

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>We're back to the prozac. I don't know where Munch

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>is like, Marnie didn't have any prozac in her system

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>according to the talk screen.

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 3>What's going on?

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>They're like, what about the brother, Let's check him out,

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>pay ow a respectful visit. Meanwhile, at Computer Crimes, we've

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>got our old Paladirdro Lovejoy as the actress and she

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 1>was recently the doctor who on Boorn Psychopath. The kid

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>fooled her into letting her out of the psych hospital.

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>She's like, he's reformed. I don't know what to tell you,

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>not psycho anymore. Turns out he was. She says, the

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>history on the computer looks like a bad porno flick,

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, okay, so she ran the ad on

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 1>this website. And Elliott goes the Love Studs website, which

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>is spelled luv Studs and I love that and it

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>is another entry into the bad website hall of fame

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 1>that we are we know about on SVU, like, I

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 1>just cannot believe websites used to look like this. And

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>this is where Marnie like advertised herself and she the

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>dear Jo Lovejoy goes Welcome to the Red Light District

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>of the New Millennium and they're like, I don't understand.

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>We see this huge page of Marnie in various bend

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>and snap poses and her name is right across the top, Marnie, Like,

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 1>it seems pretty easy to just be like Violet, you know,

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 1>like change your name. Especially, it's like I know teachers

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>that don't have public instagrams, you know what I mean,

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 1>like of them on their vacation. So to go on

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 1>like a full sex website and be like, my name's Marnie,

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>here's my full face is wild. And the advertising like

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>slogan on her page says hot babe, looking for ten

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>hotter guys. I can take you all at once, And

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>then the computer nerd lady pulls up the chat history

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 1>from the last month. So Finn and Munch now meanwhile,

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>are at the restaurant of Marnie's brother to get answers,

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, why was your sister on prozac? And

0:33:57.760 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 1>he's like, well, maybe the shrink I sent her to

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>prescribe it. He tells them, I'll be honest with you,

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 1>I've been preparing myself for this for a long time.

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 1>After all, no doorman anything could have happened. He says

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>he knew about Mark Marney's secret life. He says, some

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.879
<v Speaker 1>people shoot heroin. Marnie's drug was sex. He could tell

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>because his room was next to hers when they grew

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 1>up as teens and he heard everything each time.

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 3>A different guy. He says.

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Their mom died of cancer when he was a baby,

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and the dad was either at work or drunk, and

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 1>he never touched Marnie but apparently would often tell her

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 1>how nice her tits were. So creepy dad, And he goes,

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I was just a kid, What was I supposed to do?

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.879
<v Speaker 1>So now we're at a shrink's office. I think it's

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:41.360
<v Speaker 1>it's Marnie shrink, and he's explaining the concept of covert incest.

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of this before, so I was happy

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>to learn about this term.

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Always happy to learn about a new kind of incest.

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, so when I looked it up, it's actually

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>emotional incest or covert incests.

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 3>So there's two names for it.

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 1>And it happens when a caregiver or parent relies on

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.720
<v Speaker 1>child for emotional needs that an adult relationship would usually provide.

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting to call it that, Like, I feel like

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I've seen that before, Like people that treat their kids

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 1>like like a partner in.

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Every way, watch a thing together in vain, Like I

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.760
<v Speaker 2>feel like we just watched something together about this where

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like, if like your husband sucks, you put all

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.280
<v Speaker 2>of that into your son and it's like you're dating

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:22.800
<v Speaker 2>your son.

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>It's I have to say, it's kind of a creepy

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 1>vibe I get on like boy mom TikTok, where it's

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 1>like like it'll be a video of a woman being

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 1>like that feeling you get when you know that someday

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 1>your son's gonna marry another girl and leave you, and

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yikes, I've like never had that thought, like

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, or like that feel when

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>you know that no girl's ever going to be enough

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>for your son, and it's like, what are you talking about?

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, I get a weird But I'm

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>not saying it's covert incest. I'm just saying it's a

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 1>vibe I don't like.

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I get a lot of joy out of mother in

0:35:54.000 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>law BuzzFeed lists and reddish mother in law'sby acting crazy.

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 2>They will show up in a wedding dress at your wedding.

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 2>They will just have shoulder pads. Yeah, they might even

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 2>wear a funeral outfit. These mother in laws that want

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 2>to fuck their sons, they're out there being wild, Yeah,

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 2>but still more harmle it.

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 3>I think the covert I don't know whatever.

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, basically this shrink get more into it. Yeah, the

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 1>shrink gets more into it and it's more creepy. He's like,

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.240
<v Speaker 1>it's like when your dad watches you take a bath,

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 1>probably into a later age, like tells dirty jokes, mentions

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 1>his sex life to you. And then once you hit puberty,

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 1>he says, he starts admiring your body, buys you lingerie,

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:36.720
<v Speaker 1>takes you as a date to a business dinner.

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Like creepy shit like that. So very very.

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Donald and Ivanka, I'll be honest, like very Donald and

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Ivanka covert incests.

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 3>Let's get that going.

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>So when a person who you know lives with this

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of covert incest for years grows up, it's like

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the only way she can relate to men is through sex,

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.359
<v Speaker 1>because that's like how their daughter has the father has

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 1>conditioned them. So the prozac is for the depression and

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 1>which is very comment in any kind of addiction. And

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Munch is like, well that doesn't really sound like Teacher

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 1>of the Year. And the guy's like, you don't get it.

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 1>They're not having fun. This isn't like she's horny, she's numb,

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 1>she's gripped by a force that she cannot control, like

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 1>an addict, like and it won't stop until she has sex.

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>So he's like, it's sad because drug addiction, alcohol addiction,

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of addictions are considered illnesses and you know,

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>treated as such by society, but sex addicts are considered perverts,

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>and there's so much shame that they're looking for redemption.

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 1>Hence the whole Teacher of the Year things. So she's

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.880
<v Speaker 1>so ashamed of her like sex addiction, that she puts

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.560
<v Speaker 1>all of her time into helping these kids as if

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>that will like redeem her as a member of society.

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>And it's surprising she was able to keep the secret

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>for so long at this school. Coming back into the precinct,

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Bunch is telling this wild story to Finn about how

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>once in Baltimore he came to the office and everyone

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 1>was staring at him, And it turned out his ex

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:56.240
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend had an exhibition across the street and it featured

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>a huge painting of him during his free love days naked,

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>and it was on display, and I guess everyone from

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>his job had gone to see the art exhibit and

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>then was looking at him. Weird, such a strange story,

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and Finn goes serves you right for posing nude, and

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Munch is like, oh, come on, you must have some

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:16.919
<v Speaker 1>innermost secret and Finn goes Deadpam, I'm a Republican, And

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean this was many years.

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.800
<v Speaker 3>I feel like before Republican was a full slur that

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 3>it is today.

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if I believe it, Like do

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>you think he's kidding or do you think he is?

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 2>This is so tough because obviously, like there's no fucking

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:33.879
<v Speaker 2>way you know he voted for Like I see Finn

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 2>voting for Clinton, Mee and Gore. I just don't see fit.

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:43.959
<v Speaker 2>But I also you know, he's a contrarian. He likes,

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:48.360
<v Speaker 2>he likes to be what I'm trying to find an example.

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 1>I do find it hard to imagine Finn clicking it

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>for George W.

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:52.360
<v Speaker 3>Bush.

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 2>But it's hard, I because but I see him being like,

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 2>my money's mine, I don't want to pay time, you

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 2>gotta do it. But he works in this industry, so

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>he like knows the importance of social services and like community.

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:08.800
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just hoping it's a joke, but I could

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 2>see it, you know, I could see him liking canvas owens.

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately.

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's definitely listening to her podcasts.

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, they find.

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Out that there's one hundred because remember he in that

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 2>one episode where he was like, why are we helping

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 2>immigrants when we have people here that need help?

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Like fuck that? Like I could see him wanting to

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:31.760
<v Speaker 3>build a wall.

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and he's a little bit like munch, why

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 1>did you pose nude? Like, you know, or like he's

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 1>a little bit like, yeah, you get what you deserve

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 1>for posing naked. And it's like I never thought Finn

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>was so he loves to go to strip clubs, you know,

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 1>and think nudity. But you know what, everybody grows. This

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>is his first season. Everybody learns and grows. Maybe they

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:53.239
<v Speaker 1>were trying to go somewhere with Finn that he also

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 1>wore suits at this time, cuts to you know, leather

0:39:56.239 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 1>jacket time in a few seasons. So Martie got one

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty two different responses to her ad, and

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>she visited a lot of a lot of these places

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.479
<v Speaker 1>that are online, these chatrooms online have real life places

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 1>where people can meet up.

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 3>I guess they were.

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Saying, so a place She's called a lot is called

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Pleasure Partners, and they own a swingers club in Soho

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and I hope it's not in competition with the swing

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>set from the episode Bombshell. Do they have a nightly

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>buffet who knows? Munch is like, oh, are you an expert?

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:28.439
<v Speaker 1>And Craigan goes cold as ice and goes, I got

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 1>that from the computer files, like he does. Craigan's like,

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>stop fucking around. I don't go to swingers clubs. And

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 1>so now they're at Flings, which is the name of

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the club, and it's a lot like there is not

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 1>one man there that is not a white, pot bellied

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 1>man with like a hairy chest, Like it is not

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 1>a good looking clientele of the men. And then it's

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like women blondes in short silky red robes,

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 1>just milling around. A guy walks up to Benson and

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Sabor and is like, oh, it's eighty five bucks for

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>a couple, cash up front. Very the cash up front

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>is very sexy. And you just hear a lot of

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.960
<v Speaker 1>generalized moaning in the background, and a woman.

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Tells Olivia, don't be nervous. We were all beginners.

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Once Stable goes we're still beginners and flashes his badge.

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 1>It's all of his jokes are falling for me this episode.

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:15.839
<v Speaker 3>He is again only season two.

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 1>We haven't fully Neil Behar's just getting his footing and

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 1>getting getting stabler better lines.

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:22.760
<v Speaker 3>So they ask.

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>About Marnie and they're like, oh, Marnie, she is not

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 1>welcome here anymore, but they did not know that she

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:31.239
<v Speaker 1>was murdered. They break the news to them and they're like, well,

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 1>she didn't follow the rules. She had a threesome with

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>two married guys and she started an affair with one

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.800
<v Speaker 1>of them. And it turns out that one of the

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 1>sex club's rules. This is so funny to me, Like

0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 1>this place that's like no rules, free love. But the

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 1>one of the rules is that you have to preserve

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the primary relationship. So if you come in with a person,

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:52.399
<v Speaker 1>you can't like discover that you have better sexual compatibility

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 1>with another person and like leave your original partner.

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.799
<v Speaker 2>That that'sha fucked up rule, The save rules for safety.

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 3>What is this like Christian rule?

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, that's so marriage sacred and you stay together

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>for the kids no matter what.

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:08.759
<v Speaker 3>Like that. It's the craziest sex club rule of all.

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 3>How about a rule of no means no, like what the.

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 1>F Yeah, So they expelled yeah, no phones, no pictures, confidentiality. Well,

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 1>we don't know, we haven't seen their full constitution, but

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 1>one of the laws is you got to stay with

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 1>your partner. So they expelled Marnie and her guy when

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 1>his wife is the one that told them about the affair.

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Who is the guy that she was having the affair

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 1>with that got expelled with her? Byron Marx done done

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the doctor they talked to earlier, And then I don't

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:42.360
<v Speaker 1>remember which one of them said it, but one of

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:43.879
<v Speaker 1>them goes, guess the doctor was.

0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:47.000
<v Speaker 3>In Again, we're not killing it with these.

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>But now they've got Byron in interrogation and he says,

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 1>she came on to me and I was into it

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 1>until she dumped me. And as they're feeding him the

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 1>version of the story they think happen like, you went

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 1>over to her house, you wanted it, she wouldn't give

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 1>it to you. Then this this guy's lawyer breezes in

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.360
<v Speaker 1>to shut shit down, and they're like, can your client

0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:11.200
<v Speaker 1>consent to a blood test? And then the lawyer brings

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Byron into the corner and they whisper for a minute,

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, okay, client needs to clarify what he said,

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>but we want to keep his.

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:19.719
<v Speaker 3>Wife out of it.

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>They go, if you stop lying, and he's like, okay, great, fine,

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:23.359
<v Speaker 1>I'll stop lying.

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 3>Leave my wife out of it.

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 1>They met in a chat room, not at a place

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>where a volunteer program for inner city kids, which is

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:33.759
<v Speaker 1>a wild stretch of a lie, and they hooked up

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 1>at flings. She came on to him, it started an

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.879
<v Speaker 1>affair and they all went well until it got out

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 1>of control. He goes, we were having sex every day,

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>sometimes two to three times a day, at clubs, at hotels,

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 1>in my office until we burned out and broke up.

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>It was like we just used each other up and

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.319
<v Speaker 1>threw each other away. Martie called him that night at

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 1>seven o'clock and said that she needed him. He shows

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:57.399
<v Speaker 1>up to her house. She's freaking out because she says,

0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the student found her shit on the internet.

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 3>Again. Why are you calling yourself, Marnie. You can always

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 3>argue that it's not you.

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:07.040
<v Speaker 1>So he says, they had sex till eight thirty and

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>when he left she was alive, and he goes, you

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:13.320
<v Speaker 1>don't understand. It's like being possessed. It's like an uncontrollable,

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.360
<v Speaker 1>overwhelming urge, and I have to satisfy it with sex,

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and then everything's fine until the next wave hits. He

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 1>tells them that she usually took guys to the Majestic

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 1>on Seventh Avenue, and if she needed a quick fix,

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 1>she'd go to the club, and they're like, well, she

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.720
<v Speaker 1>was banned from flings, and she goes, no, there's another place.

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 3>I went with her there once.

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:35.600
<v Speaker 1>It was like walking into hell and actually named because

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 1>it is called Dante's Inferno.

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 3>He didn't know she liked it so rough. Now we

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 3>cut to the most wild.

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Police raid of a dark ass warehouse with red lighting

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and the silhouettes of naked bodies. Everyone's rushing to put

0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 1>clothes on. There's it feels like there's seventy five people

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 1>in a room. I guess all fucking each other. I

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:56.800
<v Speaker 1>don't really know. They tell them that the TV crews

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>are outside and we're looking for people who know Marnie,

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>and then goes, though, I suspect you trade you. People

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.919
<v Speaker 1>trade fluids more than names. Anyone who recognizes her raised

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 1>the hand that's not holding up your clothes. No one

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 1>raises a hand, and they're like, all right, we'll say

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 1>it again. If anyone tells us what they know, you

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:15.399
<v Speaker 1>get to go out the back door, and everyone else

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>gets to go be on TV. And they're like, so

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.760
<v Speaker 1>who knows Marnie? And now almost every single person raises

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.440
<v Speaker 1>their hand. So now we're in interrogation and Craigan is

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:24.880
<v Speaker 1>talking to some guy who I guess is like the

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 1>ring leader of Dante's Inferno. They don't really introduce him,

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, no one's getting hurt. And he says,

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Marty came in a couple times a week. She was

0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:33.919
<v Speaker 1>good for business. She was as wild as they come.

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't do by, but she'd do gang bang after

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 1>gang bang. He says he never participated because he's an entrepreneur.

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.919
<v Speaker 1>He can't be messing with the product. One guy, he says,

0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:45.399
<v Speaker 1>took a special interest in Marnie. And so he goes

0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:48.760
<v Speaker 1>out to the holding room where all of these people

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 1>from the orgy are hanging out, and he goes, it's

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that guy. And he points out this guy with a

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 1>light bulb head and he brings him into interrogation and

0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.719
<v Speaker 1>he's like, am I charged with something? And Stabler goes

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 1>adultery and the guy stops talking and I'm like, was

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>that still was adultery illegal in two thousand and one?

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and I did not take the time

0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 1>to look it up. His name is Philip Montrose, and

0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 1>they asked him about Marnie and he says, oh, yeah,

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 1>that school teacher that died in the paper. I read

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 1>about it in the paper. And they're like, cut the

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 1>shit or we do this in Wrikers and he's like, uh, okay,

0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I saw her picture.

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 3>She looked hot.

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I emailed her like. He immediately is like, I think

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I saw a picture.

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Of that girl in the paper. And then he's like,

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:28.760
<v Speaker 3>all right, we fucked. He says.

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:31.359
<v Speaker 1>She invited him to meet her at the Majestic. They

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 1>hooked up, and then the next night she goes meet

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:36.400
<v Speaker 1>me at Dante's. He thought it was a restaurant and

0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 1>asked what was on the menu, and she ordered for

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.720
<v Speaker 1>both of us sex with me and four other guys.

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 1>He says, the place is an amusement park and she

0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>was my favorite ride. And then Benson goes or one

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:50.439
<v Speaker 1>of the sorry, one of them goes a rough ride

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, yeah, she liked it that way, and

0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 1>so did I.

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:53.879
<v Speaker 3>On Sunday night.

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 1>He says he was at his in laws trying to

0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 1>reconnect with his wife and two kids because they're separated

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.240
<v Speaker 1>at their death. Now the gang is burning the Midnight

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Oil Byron Marks as Alibi checks out he's not a killer,

0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 1>he's just a perv, which is like Finn proving the

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:10.359
<v Speaker 1>entire point of the episode, which is like, this guy

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 1>has clearly explained to you that this is like a

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 1>compulsion he can't control, and you're like just a pervert,

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:17.320
<v Speaker 1>and Munch is arguing that this is a victimless crime,

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and Finn's like, unless you're Marnie, and he goes, well,

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 1>her problem isn't that she had group sex, is that

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.759
<v Speaker 1>she couldn't stop, And Munch is arguing that these are

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 1>just normal people, consenting adults who like to get sweaty

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.280
<v Speaker 1>in a dimly lit warehouse and nobody gets hurt.

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 3>So then these two.

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Start bickering and Daddy Craigan comes in to break it

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>up and says, last time I checked, this was Special

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Victims Unit and not the sex police, which is hilarious

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:40.680
<v Speaker 1>because that's what everyone else calls them. They're always like,

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 1>oh here comes the sex police, you know, or the

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:46.360
<v Speaker 1>panty Police live pipes in that Philip Montrose was arrested

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:49.600
<v Speaker 1>for criminal trespassing in Connecticut a couple months ago, and

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 1>that the Stamford police, where I have lived before, booked

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 1>this guy for stalking again.

0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 3>I guess they were told.

0:47:56.320 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 1>That Philip Montrose left Dante's because she wasn't there the death,

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:03.319
<v Speaker 1>but he did go to her memorial service. Stabler holds

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:05.239
<v Speaker 1>up a picture and they're like, was it to pay

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 1>his respects or stalk her to the grave. So now

0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the cops are talking to Montrose again and he's like,

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>so what I went to the service?

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Had We had a great time together.

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to miss her, And he says the Connecticut

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 1>thing was a misunderstanding, and Stabler points out most stalkers

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>only stop when they've found another target, and he's like,

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't only my favorite ride. She fucked every guy

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:28.319
<v Speaker 1>in that place. I'm sure a lot of people loved

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 1>like hooking up with her. And they go, well, we

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:33.799
<v Speaker 1>checked on your alibi and your wife hasn't seen you

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 1>or your child support in three weeks. Why would you

0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:39.239
<v Speaker 1>give the cops a fake alibi? And he goes, She'll

0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:40.759
<v Speaker 1>say anything to get back at me, and then he

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 1>gets back to work because they're like at his workplace

0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 1>or like supervising a construction site or something. Benson remembers

0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:50.800
<v Speaker 1>that Ethan told them someone at the building told him

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a woman was murdered, and maybe that was Montrose.

0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:55.600
<v Speaker 3>This is a wild stretch in the plot.

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 1>At the high school, they're showing a picture to a

0:48:57.920 --> 0:48:59.600
<v Speaker 1>security guard at the school and he goes, yeah, I've

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>booted that guy from here twice. The other day he

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.399
<v Speaker 1>claimed he needed to use the restroom. Who pops into

0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:08.439
<v Speaker 1>a high school to use the restroom? Like the guy goes, yeah,

0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 1>go to the restaurant across the street, weirdo. And then

0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:12.719
<v Speaker 1>he came back thirty minutes later and he saw him

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to try the gym door. So they're all discussing

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 1>it and they're like, Marnie might still be alive if

0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:19.960
<v Speaker 1>she just called the cops. But then her secret gets

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 1>out and her career is over. She was afraid of

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 1>being judged, and she was right. I mean, the cops

0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 1>themselves are judging her. They show the picture to Ethan

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 1>of Philip Montrose and he goes, oh, yeah, that's the

0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 1>guy in the crowd who told me that Marnie was murdered.

0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>So they knock on his apartment door with a warrant

0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 1>for a search and a warrant for his blood, and

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 1>he goes, I'm calling my lawyer. But then Finn finds

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 1>his stocker scrap book, lots of pictures of Marnie with

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:44.360
<v Speaker 1>a telephoto lens, and Philip has like a busted like

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>look on his face. Now we're at Riker's, the lawyers

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 1>arguing with Cabot that the scrap book proves nothing.

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 3>Cabot's like, Lol, your guy looks like a freak. It

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:55.640
<v Speaker 3>proves something, It proves something.

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And Cabot's like, this is actually just gonna make

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.839
<v Speaker 1>my case stronger. And the lawyer like, Marti makes Casanova

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:04.879
<v Speaker 1>look cellibate this and they're like, this doesn't look good

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.880
<v Speaker 1>for him. The scrap book other victims of stalking, witnesses

0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:11.120
<v Speaker 1>that put him at her apartment the morning after her death.

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, so we cut the cord. It's a grand

0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:16.040
<v Speaker 1>jury hearing and Ethan is testifying about his run in

0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:19.440
<v Speaker 1>with Montrose outside of Marnie's apartment building that morning. He

0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:21.840
<v Speaker 1>says that this guy told her a woman had.

0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Been raped and murdered.

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 1>A teacher, and I think actually says raped and strangled,

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 1>because that's like an extra the cause of death is

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:30.800
<v Speaker 1>like an extra detail. Cabot points out that Philip Montrose

0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:32.880
<v Speaker 1>revealed the detail of the crime that only the police

0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:35.319
<v Speaker 1>or the killer himself would know. And then a man

0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:37.479
<v Speaker 1>walks in while Cabot is talking to the grand jury

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and whispers into her ear, and then.

0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:39.960
<v Speaker 3>She excuses herself.

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Outside Montrose is with his lawyer, who says Montross wants

0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:47.799
<v Speaker 1>to make a statement to the grand jury. And this

0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 1>guy who's playing his lawyer is Jeff McCarthy, who's playing

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:52.759
<v Speaker 1>attorney Math defends attorney Matthews and he looks familiar, but

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I looked him up and it's nothing I've seen.

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:56.839
<v Speaker 3>We take it to Petrovski.

0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Petrovski's chambers are like the red table talk of the

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:01.880
<v Speaker 1>SVU universe, like, bring it to the red table. So

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.920
<v Speaker 1>we go to Petrovsky's chambers and Cabot's like, notice was

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:06.839
<v Speaker 1>not giving an in a timely manner that he wants

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:12.400
<v Speaker 1>to testify. He declined testifying yesterday, and the lawyer's like, well,

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 1>he changed his mind, and he argues that his client

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:17.600
<v Speaker 1>has the right to speak before the jury has voted.

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Cabot goes, he's going to poison the jury with her

0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 1>sexual history, and Petrovsky says, I'm about to call the

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:26.960
<v Speaker 1>disciplinary committee on your ass, mister Matthews, and then he goes,

0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:29.600
<v Speaker 1>if you deny my client his rights and he's indicted,

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:32.239
<v Speaker 1>I will move for dismissal and Petrovsky's like and then

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:34.279
<v Speaker 1>I will have to grant it and Cabot will have

0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>to retry the whole case. I don't like it any

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 1>more than you do, Alex, but you can get him

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:40.560
<v Speaker 1>on cross He's a sitting duck because his lawyer is

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 1>not allowed to object. This is grand jury, it's different

0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>than regular you know, cross examination. So Montrose is on

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the stand talking about how he met Marnie and then

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.800
<v Speaker 1>their subsequent hangout at Dante's on the night of her murder.

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 1>He says, Marti came to my apartment. She was upset

0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 1>because of the kid who found the Internet ad. He

0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:01.439
<v Speaker 1>asked her to have sex. She was insatiable. He says

0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.279
<v Speaker 1>he did not kill her. He says he lied to

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 1>police because of his bitter divorce and doesn't want to

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:08.920
<v Speaker 1>give his you know, ex ammunition. He alleges that Marnie

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:11.839
<v Speaker 1>loved the photos from the stalker scrap book, that they

0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:15.879
<v Speaker 1>really excited her, and she goes. Cabbot goes, you told

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:18.719
<v Speaker 1>police she was your favorite ride and he's like, yep,

0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 1>and he says the only reason he knew she had

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:23.239
<v Speaker 1>been strangled and raped is because someone else at the

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:25.200
<v Speaker 1>crime scene told him about that, Like, how do you

0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:27.400
<v Speaker 1>think I found out someone else told me? It was

0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.799
<v Speaker 1>just a little game of telephone. Such a coincidence. They're like,

0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:32.880
<v Speaker 1>you followed her to her school, you followed her to

0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:34.719
<v Speaker 1>her home. You were jealous because she was having sex

0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 1>with someone else, and he goes, you think I care

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 1>about that slut? You have to care about someone to

0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:41.960
<v Speaker 1>be jealous. She was a whore, and he says she

0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:44.200
<v Speaker 1>was asking for this to happen. She needed a fix

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:45.799
<v Speaker 1>and who knows who she picked up on the way

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 1>home from his apartment. Cabot's like, she needed a fix.

0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 1>You stalked a woman in Connecticut and now Marnie's dead.

0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 3>What about your fix?

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:54.960
<v Speaker 1>And then they kind of focused in on him and

0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:58.239
<v Speaker 1>he looks guilty as hell and silent. Cabot goes to

0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:00.480
<v Speaker 1>talk to Craigan and she says that don't just put

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:02.879
<v Speaker 1>Marney's sex life on trial, and Craigan goes, yeah, law

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 1>isn't always about justice, and she goes, who let you

0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:07.480
<v Speaker 1>in on our dirty little secret? And Craigan goes all

0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.319
<v Speaker 1>the Marnies who came before. So Cabot's like, I think

0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:12.959
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna beat this fuck and Craigan's like, I don't know, girl,

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I think you're killing it. And i'd tell you're ass

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.400
<v Speaker 1>if you were fucking up. So cut to the results

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:21.680
<v Speaker 1>getting handed to Cabot in court. There is an indictment.

0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:24.600
<v Speaker 1>That's good news, but it's not murder too, it's manslaughter one.

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 1>The jury just couldn't get past her sex life, it seems.

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.319
<v Speaker 1>So he won't get life, but he'll get fifteen to

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty five to sit around and think about what he's done.

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:33.880
<v Speaker 3>She goes, I'll take that, say lair.

0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Benson look bummed, and they walk away, and then Cabot

0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:40.200
<v Speaker 1>walks away and then that's dick wolf baby.

0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:43.640
<v Speaker 3>What enough of the ending? I don't love the ending.

0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I know I want to see the guy like get

0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:50.640
<v Speaker 1>hauled off to jail, truly, yeah.

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:54.879
<v Speaker 2>I do, but god, it's like, let's deserve to live too. Yeah,

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand. It's like, cause you fuck you can't

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 2>live like you're dead. It makes I just I don't

0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:03.319
<v Speaker 2>get it.

0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Call me new fashioned, but yeah, well this country is

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:10.439
<v Speaker 1>built on puritanical you know, spirits, so that's that's part

0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:14.640
<v Speaker 1>of it. But like she also wasn't I mean, like, yes,

0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:16.840
<v Speaker 1>let's deserve to live, but she also had an addiction,

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:18.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, like she had a problem.

0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:20.400
<v Speaker 3>So it's like I do like that.

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 1>This show in season two in two thousand and one

0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.279
<v Speaker 1>is like trying to bring up sex addiction as like,

0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:28.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, a thing that people shouldn't be shamed for.

0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:31.440
<v Speaker 3>It's pretty progressive for them. I've never seen that on

0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:32.080
<v Speaker 3>another show.

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, Lisa, I don't know anything about the crimes that

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.960
<v Speaker 1>this is based on, So excited for your portion of

0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:39.560
<v Speaker 1>the program.

0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:56.520
<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back. Okay.

0:54:56.640 --> 0:55:00.479
<v Speaker 2>So, sadly this is based on two dead teachers, both

0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:01.560
<v Speaker 2>teaching in the Bronx.

0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 3>So that's pretty wild.

0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really close to the episode, I would say,

0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 2>and the crimes are really close to each other, even

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:14.520
<v Speaker 2>if they span you know, decades of time. So the

0:55:14.560 --> 0:55:17.360
<v Speaker 2>first case is based on a woman named Roseanne Quinn,

0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 2>and she was a twenty eight year old teacher, and

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:23.640
<v Speaker 2>she taught at a school for deaf children, and the

0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 2>principal of the school, Francis Wilkins, he said that Roseanne

0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:30.640
<v Speaker 2>was very warm, outgoing person, and the children loved her

0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:33.399
<v Speaker 2>and she always made everything so interesting for them and

0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:34.120
<v Speaker 2>so alive.

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:36.040
<v Speaker 3>She grew up in Jersey.

0:55:36.520 --> 0:55:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Both her parents worked at Bell laboratories, you know, kind

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:42.080
<v Speaker 2>of normal life, and she was very dedicated to her

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 2>work and would often bring breakfast to her students because

0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.720
<v Speaker 2>she was like a lot of them have to travel

0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:49.760
<v Speaker 2>so far to be here, they wake up too early,

0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:52.319
<v Speaker 2>they don't get breakfast, and so she was just like

0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:54.440
<v Speaker 2>really caring, would bring kids breakfast.

0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:58.360
<v Speaker 3>And a lot of the articles are from.

0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.360
<v Speaker 2>The seventies because this is when it happened, and it

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:06.319
<v Speaker 2>is such old timey language. Like the Times said she

0:56:06.400 --> 0:56:08.680
<v Speaker 2>had no regular boyfriend, but she was the type of

0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:10.840
<v Speaker 2>girl who would have a guy and if he brought

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:15.719
<v Speaker 2>her home, Like that's such a language from a different time. Yeah,

0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 2>it's basically like if a guy walked her home, she's

0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 2>bringing him in the fuck.

0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 3>But in this weird way there is.

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.319
<v Speaker 2>There was a huge article that came out after this

0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:27.560
<v Speaker 2>because there was a string of crimes, and like New

0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:30.960
<v Speaker 2>York was dangerous for single women, and it was like

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:34.359
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of discussions of should single women

0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:37.279
<v Speaker 2>live alone in the city, what neighborhood should they live in?

0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:39.680
<v Speaker 3>You're asking for it. There was just a lot of.

0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Commotion over her being single and like going to bars.

0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Another old timey thing that was written in the paper

0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:52.840
<v Speaker 2>said this, this set in motion an intense police effort

0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:56.279
<v Speaker 2>involving more than thirty detectives to find a clue to

0:56:56.320 --> 0:57:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the killer somewhere amid the numerous yet fragmented activity of

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:03.520
<v Speaker 2>an attractive single woman living in the interracial world of

0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:04.400
<v Speaker 2>the West Side.

0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 3>It's it's reading.

0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Seventies, Like I don't know, it's just not how we

0:57:11.840 --> 0:57:13.600
<v Speaker 2>speaker write or like articles.

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Don't sound like that anymore.

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 1>So just but this is interesting, Like they kind of

0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 1>touch on this in mad Men when Peggy and I

0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think you watch mad Men, but Peggy moves in

0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:25.560
<v Speaker 1>like to the Upper West Side by herself in like

0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the late sixties, early seventies, and it's like, what Peggy like,

0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:29.560
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:32.960
<v Speaker 2>So sadly she was found on New Year's Day, January

0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:36.080
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy three in her upper west side apartment and

0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:40.040
<v Speaker 2>the body was found after the school, Saint Joseph's School

0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:42.800
<v Speaker 2>for the Deaf in the Bronx, became alarmed because she

0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:46.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't come back to work after Christmas recess, so she

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:51.680
<v Speaker 2>missed two days of like January classes, and so it

0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:54.680
<v Speaker 2>took a bit of time because like the murder happened,

0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:57.320
<v Speaker 2>the break had to come back. The teachers had to notice,

0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:01.080
<v Speaker 2>and then they contacted someone and colleague from the school

0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:04.960
<v Speaker 2>went to her building and the superintendent of the building

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 2>opened the door to her apartment. And this was a

0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:11.240
<v Speaker 2>and this is another thing that was strange. Every article

0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 2>described her apartment differently. So some said studio apartment, so

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:18.200
<v Speaker 2>it said efficiency apartment, and then some set a two

0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 2>room apartment.

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.200
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, either way, who gives a shit.

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:23.720
<v Speaker 2>It's her apartment, and who cares if it's small or

0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:26.280
<v Speaker 2>big or how small it is. But it was on

0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:30.720
<v Speaker 2>seventy second Street, and so she was at two hundred

0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:34.280
<v Speaker 2>and fifty third West seventy second Street, and that was

0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:37.040
<v Speaker 2>right around the corner from a brownstone where in nineteen

0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:40.080
<v Speaker 2>seventy one, Patrese Leary, a twenty two year old private

0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:42.520
<v Speaker 2>school teacher, was found bludgeoned to death in her apartment,

0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Yeah, and also in Roseanne's apartment building.

0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Six months earlier of Quinn's murder, a drug dealer who

0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.480
<v Speaker 2>lived in the building was killed in the building. So

0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.560
<v Speaker 2>it's definitely not the Upper West Side that we know about.

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is like a beautiful neighborhood today, Like this

0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:01.880
<v Speaker 1>would be like really coveted place to live.

0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:06.120
<v Speaker 2>But I'm sure Columbia College was still there, right, Like

0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:07.959
<v Speaker 2>Columbia is an old school.

0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Now, but Columbia is up at like one hundred and

0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:15.439
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth. Yeah, So but like this is I've seen

0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.000
<v Speaker 1>movies about this area in the seventies.

0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:18.720
<v Speaker 3>It was not good.

0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 2>So there was a delay in the crime being reported

0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:24.120
<v Speaker 2>because the local precinct failed to notify the Central Police

0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Commissions of the murder. So the first article that came

0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:30.280
<v Speaker 2>out was January fifth. So the details of the crime

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:32.080
<v Speaker 2>were that she was a knife to death and then

0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:35.640
<v Speaker 2>stabbed fourteen times, and on January fifth it was reported

0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that she was sexually assaulted and raped, But on January sixth,

0:59:38.920 --> 0:59:43.080
<v Speaker 2>The Times then reported that the chief medical Examiner, John F. Fury,

0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:45.720
<v Speaker 2>said there was no signs of forcible rape. She did

0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:48.680
<v Speaker 2>have sexual relations within the twenty four hours of her death,

0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:52.320
<v Speaker 2>but there was no external or internal signs of force

0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 2>or brutality, So I don't really know what No one

0:59:56.400 --> 0:59:59.320
<v Speaker 2>really knows what happened that night. Also, and I don't

0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 2>really fully under stand this. There was a hollow sculpture

1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:04.720
<v Speaker 2>bust of a woman had been placed on her face.

1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:11.160
<v Speaker 1>What right, that's fucking crazy. But do you think it's

1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:13.080
<v Speaker 1>one of those things where the person like couldn't look

1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:15.000
<v Speaker 1>at what they'd done, so they like covered it up

1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:15.560
<v Speaker 1>or something.

1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:17.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know.

1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:21.480
<v Speaker 2>It's SVU pop psychology. And there were as bruises on

1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:25.120
<v Speaker 2>her face. The apartment was described as but blood spattered

1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:28.120
<v Speaker 2>by the DA Frank S. Hogan at a news conference,

1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:31.160
<v Speaker 2>and at first the police thought it stemmed from an argument,

1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:33.640
<v Speaker 2>but they really had no leads, so they talked to

1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:36.720
<v Speaker 2>about twenty five of Quinn's friends and then close to

1:00:36.760 --> 1:00:39.880
<v Speaker 2>one hundred people in the area. Ten detectives went out

1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:43.320
<v Speaker 2>into the neighborhood and just talk to everybody. She lived

1:00:43.360 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 2>near a notorious drug park called Needle Park.

1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I know where this is because one of

1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:51.360
<v Speaker 1>the movies that I'm talking about was called panic in

1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Needle Park and Jared made me watch it. It's some

1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:57.840
<v Speaker 1>old seventies movie and it's literally it's barely even a

1:00:57.880 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 1>park now. It's like a subway station, right and if

1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:02.600
<v Speaker 1>you ever get off the two three train at seventy

1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:05.280
<v Speaker 1>second Street, that's Needle Park right there. Now it's like

1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:07.920
<v Speaker 1>flowers and like I've eaten Lavne cookies sitting there. It's

1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:10.800
<v Speaker 1>like a lovely little place. But like that's a needle park.

1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:12.720
<v Speaker 1>It's a very tiny like area.

1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean, yes, seventy second train stop.

1:01:16.960 --> 1:01:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I think it's like the Trader Joe's is there, exactly

1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:23.880
<v Speaker 1>fair exactly exactly. There's a north Face store. Like it's

1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:27.520
<v Speaker 1>so nice, like nice meaning not needle Park.

1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:01:29.000 --> 1:01:31.520
<v Speaker 2>One of the original suspects was a man who just

1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:35.680
<v Speaker 2>the year before pled guilty to assaulting Quinn and spent

1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:38.400
<v Speaker 2>several months in jail for that crime. But then the

1:01:38.440 --> 1:01:40.960
<v Speaker 2>police received a tip and the man who contacted them

1:01:41.040 --> 1:01:45.000
<v Speaker 2>was a friend of the suspect, John Wayne Wilson. John

1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Wayne not a great name for killers, okay. So, and

1:01:50.040 --> 1:01:52.280
<v Speaker 2>this person who called said that Wilson and Quinn were

1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:55.280
<v Speaker 2>at a singles bar called w M. Tweeds and that

1:01:55.360 --> 1:01:57.360
<v Speaker 2>was right across the street from her apartment, and she

1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:00.520
<v Speaker 2>was a regular at the bar. And since so this

1:02:00.640 --> 1:02:03.919
<v Speaker 2>guy was with Wilson at the bar the same night,

1:02:04.040 --> 1:02:06.960
<v Speaker 2>so they so there was a sketch. There was a

1:02:06.960 --> 1:02:10.200
<v Speaker 2>composite sketch made of a man as a material witness

1:02:10.280 --> 1:02:12.320
<v Speaker 2>because someone, you know, people at the bar were.

1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Like, she was with these two guys, and so he.

1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Recognized himself in one of the sketches, and so he

1:02:19.000 --> 1:02:20.080
<v Speaker 2>contacted the cops.

1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:23.240
<v Speaker 3>He is smart well, and not just the cops.

1:02:23.240 --> 1:02:25.920
<v Speaker 2>He first contacted a lawyer and then the lawyer contacted

1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the cops. So he is very smart and he listens

1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:32.640
<v Speaker 2>to what we say. And so, yeah, it was her

1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:34.520
<v Speaker 2>usual bar. She would come in for a glass of

1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:37.560
<v Speaker 2>wine and she talked to two men around eleven PM.

1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:40.760
<v Speaker 2>And that's when the witness went home and he left

1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:42.080
<v Speaker 2>and the other two stayed together.

1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:44.000
<v Speaker 3>And so then they left together and they went to

1:02:44.080 --> 1:02:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Quinn's apartment.

1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:46.640
<v Speaker 2>And what is so wild is while the cops were

1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:49.640
<v Speaker 2>sitting with the material witness talking about him in his apartment,

1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the killer fucking called him. So they got his location

1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:57.360
<v Speaker 2>in information because he ended up calling exactly when the

1:02:57.400 --> 1:03:00.840
<v Speaker 2>cops were there. And so they caught John Wayne Wilson,

1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:04.600
<v Speaker 2>who was an Indiana drifter. They arrested him in Indianapolis

1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:06.520
<v Speaker 2>less than a week later, and that was reported on

1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:10.160
<v Speaker 2>January tenth, nineteen seventy three. He had no known address

1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:13.360
<v Speaker 2>or occupation and was sleeping at his younger brother's apartment

1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:17.000
<v Speaker 2>at nine am when they arrested him. Detective John Lafferty

1:03:17.040 --> 1:03:19.200
<v Speaker 2>and Patrick Toomey knocked on the door and just got

1:03:19.200 --> 1:03:19.600
<v Speaker 2>his ass.

1:03:19.680 --> 1:03:20.720
<v Speaker 3>He did not resist.

1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:24.080
<v Speaker 2>He also had five arrests in southern Florida since nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy nine for disorderly conduct, loitering, and illegal entry in larceny.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also arrested on larceny charges in Kansas City, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 2>He was serving a one year sentence in Miami for

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<v Speaker 2>illegal entry in larceny when he escaped from prison on

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<v Speaker 2>July sixth, and then he really stayed out.

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<v Speaker 3>For a while. Obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>The lawyer for Wilson set up an insanity defense for

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<v Speaker 2>the case. He was held for five months under murder

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<v Speaker 2>charges and then he hung himself in his jail cell

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<v Speaker 2>at twenty three years old, and the jail said he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't on suicide watch because that floor was overcrowded.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, I want to say one thing, which is that, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>they cops got him so quickly, like one week is

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<v Speaker 1>like really or I mean, you know, ten days from

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<v Speaker 1>the time she was killed, but like then she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>found or whatever. But then also motive just crazy, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, It's like she took him home, they

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<v Speaker 1>were just going to hook up, and then he just

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm gonna stab you to death.

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<v Speaker 2>No one knows, I mean, no one knows, like the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the cops did mention that it seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>it stepped out of an argument, but that's probably just

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<v Speaker 2>because of like the physical violence of it and the

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen stabbings.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not like a chill stick.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, brus is on the face like did he

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<v Speaker 2>did she say something that it made him wild? Was

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<v Speaker 2>he on drugs? Was he drinking? Like I have no

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<v Speaker 2>idea when.

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<v Speaker 1>They tried to go insanity defense, so I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>possible there just wasn't a motive at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he's a career criminal and escaped from prison

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<v Speaker 2>and why was no one looking for him?

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<v Speaker 3>He was he is? That was that's a long escape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the seventh he was escaped for seven months and.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe because it's a cross state.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is really sad, and that there's no information

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<v Speaker 2>and that Yeah, it it's grucive. It's scary, and we

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<v Speaker 2>say this a lot on this podcast. But it's like

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<v Speaker 2>one wrong person. Yeah, and you're and that's it, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it is her regular bar hanging out with dude.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like so fucking scary and sad.

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<v Speaker 2>So this the next case is about Jonathan Levin, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's another Bronx teacher, like I said, who was murdered

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<v Speaker 2>in you know, his Upper West Side apartment. Jesus right,

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<v Speaker 2>And he was the son of the chairman of Time Warner,

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<v Speaker 2>Gerald M.

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<v Speaker 3>Levin and Kara.

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Levin actually went to Trinity College.

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<v Speaker 3>What yes, a fellow Bantam.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so in nineteen eighty eight he graduated with an

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<v Speaker 2>English and psychology degree.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if I ever had any of the same teachers, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if he got a teacher really young that

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<v Speaker 1>then was like old when I had them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that'd be that'd be crazy. Wow, because I was

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<v Speaker 3>an English major too. Wow. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So he did English and psych and then Jonathan chose

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<v Speaker 2>to be an English teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>At William Howard Taft High School.

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<v Speaker 2>So the kids liked him and he was praised with

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<v Speaker 2>having an unusual ability to raise their self esteem. Corey

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<v Speaker 2>Arthur was a student in Levin's class in his English

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<v Speaker 2>class at the Taft High School during nineteen ninety three

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<v Speaker 2>and nineteen ninety four school year, and he really took

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<v Speaker 2>him under his wing. So one time in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>three he actually wrote his teacher a thank you note,

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<v Speaker 2>calling him his true and only friend in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>More excerpts from the letter said, you have shown me

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<v Speaker 2>that it is all right to step in and help someone,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've shown me not all people want to use

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<v Speaker 2>and exploit me. The note ended with wherever I get

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<v Speaker 2>in life, I owe it to you, and for that

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<v Speaker 2>I am entirely grateful. I am lucky and most happy

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<v Speaker 2>to call John Levin my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>So May thirtieth, nineteen ninety seven, Corey Arthur went to

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan's apartment to rob him. And this is the student

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<v Speaker 2>that wrote these letters that Jonathan took such interest in

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<v Speaker 2>and was really putting a lot of time and effort

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<v Speaker 2>into this person. And his wife said that he lived

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<v Speaker 2>for these students, and he responded to Arthur's phone call

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<v Speaker 2>that night. Because of his selfless nature, he cared about

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<v Speaker 2>his students. So he got a voicemail from Corey Arthur

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<v Speaker 2>and it was played in court this voicemail. And the

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<v Speaker 2>voicemail came in at four fifty five pm and it said,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Levin, this is Corey pick up if you're there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's important.

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<v Speaker 2>So Arthur and his accomplice mister Hart attacked Levin and

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<v Speaker 2>tied him up with duct tape, then tortured him with

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<v Speaker 2>a knife, including three cuts across his throat, and then

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<v Speaker 2>shot him in the back of the fucking head by

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<v Speaker 2>his student. And they wanted his bank code and withdrew

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred dollars at five point fifteen pm.

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<v Speaker 3>And so he died at age thirty one years old.

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<v Speaker 2>And this guy's fucking rich, like he comes from Time

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<v Speaker 2>Warner chairman money. If you wanted money, he would have

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<v Speaker 2>given you money. Like, yeah, you had to murder him.

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<v Speaker 2>You could have threatened him and legit. They think that

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<v Speaker 2>Levin was alive in between, so they think that there

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<v Speaker 2>was like stabbing, the tying up, the torturing. Then they

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<v Speaker 2>went to use the bank card. Then they came back

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<v Speaker 2>and shot him in the head and then stabbed him

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<v Speaker 2>in the chest. Police say, and this brings up like

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<v Speaker 2>there was another you know, as much as with the

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<v Speaker 2>Rosannequin case. A lot of articles started coming out, but

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<v Speaker 2>like single women and how safe are they? And then

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<v Speaker 2>this was a situation where there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>think pieces about how accessible teachers should be to their

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<v Speaker 2>students outside of school, and it turned Levin into a

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<v Speaker 2>symbol of public service. Police released a photo of Arthur

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<v Speaker 2>and an offer of an eleven thousand dollars reward, and

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<v Speaker 2>this led to a call that gave up the location

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<v Speaker 2>of Corey. In court, the defense tried to spin a

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<v Speaker 2>drug storyline about Levin and that Arthur was there at

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<v Speaker 2>his apartment that night because of drugs, but an autopsy

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<v Speaker 2>found that mister Levin had absolutely no drugs in his body,

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<v Speaker 2>and that the two remained close, and that Corey would

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<v Speaker 2>never have killed his former teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the defense. They're like, absolutely, he would not

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>They argue that the cuts on Arthur had occurred when

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<v Speaker 2>he tried to stop the accomplice from stabbing him, and

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<v Speaker 2>that this accomplice did everything. Prosecutors, however, said that Arthur

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<v Speaker 2>and Levin had grown apart by May thirtieth, nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 2>that the former student took advantage of him to gain

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<v Speaker 2>entrance into his apartment, and the prosecution pushed that he

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<v Speaker 2>was actually the leader of the two. His fingerprints were

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<v Speaker 2>found on the roll of duct tape and his DNA

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<v Speaker 2>was found on the knife used to torture him. Blood

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<v Speaker 2>from Levin was found on Arthur's clothes. The gun that

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<v Speaker 2>killed him was never recovered. They also argue that he

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<v Speaker 2>would have had the most motivation to kill him since

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<v Speaker 2>Levin would recognize him, so it could have been a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where maybe it was just supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>robbing and then he's like, fuck, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>go to jail, so let me murder my mentor so.

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<v Speaker 2>November tenth, nineteen ninety eight, Levin's nineteen year old former

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<v Speaker 2>student was convicted of second degree murder.

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<v Speaker 3>The jury acquitted him for first.

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<v Speaker 2>Degree murder, but they did get second degree.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>I know his family was really upset why it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>first degree murder, but yeah, obvious they couldn't prove it.

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<v Speaker 2>The difference is like, so murder one is automatic like life,

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<v Speaker 2>and then murder two is twenty five to life, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's still a hefty sentence. The jury deliberated for eleven

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<v Speaker 2>hours over two days, but they rejected the testimony of

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution's lead witness, Carly Thea Weeks. The Weeks was

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<v Speaker 2>Arthur's former girlfriend, and she testified that he confessed the

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<v Speaker 2>killing to her, but the defense was like, oh, she

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<v Speaker 2>has a history of hearing voices and she's a looney

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<v Speaker 2>tune and so they didn't really take her seriously, which,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we don't know, we don't know anything.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Jury ruled that prosecutors proved that Arthur and the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six year old code defendant, I'm not sure to say

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<v Speaker 2>his first name, it's mo ou n t o u

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<v Speaker 2>n so mount muntoon montun mountain t Heart, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>call him Hart, that was the code defendant. So basically,

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<v Speaker 2>the jury ruled that the prosecutors proved that Arthur an

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<v Speaker 2>Heart committed a crime that resulted in Levin's death, but

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<v Speaker 2>could not prove that mister Arthur personally killed him. So

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<v Speaker 2>torturing him until he gave his bank code and robbing

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<v Speaker 2>him happened, and that led to the death, but shooting

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<v Speaker 2>someone in the back of the head, Like, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't understand this jury. Arthur was also convicted

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<v Speaker 2>of two counts of armed robbery. When the verdict was

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<v Speaker 2>read out loud, he shook his head and muttered to

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<v Speaker 2>himself while everyone cheered and a few sobs from like

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of the accused. Also, his mother sat motionless

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<v Speaker 2>and his girlfriend did bust out. Weeping Heart was tried

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<v Speaker 2>separately for second degree murder charges. He was acquitted by

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<v Speaker 2>a sympathetic jury, so he was acquitted for the torturing,

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<v Speaker 2>the stabbing, the shooting, all of it. The jury decided

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<v Speaker 2>that he was too wasted to trust the eleven page

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<v Speaker 2>confession he signed during an NYPD interrogation. The photo taken

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<v Speaker 2>hours into his interrogation. He looked so fucked up that

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<v Speaker 2>that photo is the clincher of why they did not

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<v Speaker 2>believe the confession, because he was like high as hell

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<v Speaker 2>and drunk. He said he's had four forty's a pint

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<v Speaker 2>of kognak, smoked two huge marijuana cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna assume they were blunts and the.

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<v Speaker 2>So that happened the night like the cops arrested him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was so fucked up that they made him sign

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<v Speaker 2>something that he was not lucid enough to that this

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<v Speaker 2>is the jury. And there was no evidence for Heart

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<v Speaker 2>like there was for Arthur. There was no hair, no fingerprints,

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<v Speaker 2>no DNA trace like, there was nothing that linked Heart.

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<v Speaker 3>To the case, to the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the Heart update that I have about him

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<v Speaker 2>is from the New York Daily News, not the Times.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, I don't know, I don't know. Do we

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<v Speaker 2>respect the Daily News? I think I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, he's adamant about his innocence, but even after

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<v Speaker 2>that not guilty verdict, he's stuck to a life of crime.

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<v Speaker 3>So he had been.

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<v Speaker 2>Arrested numerous numerous times and charges like criminals sale of

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<v Speaker 2>a controlled substance, narcotics possession, possession of a defaced machine

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<v Speaker 2>gun in nineteen ninety nine, and then he also drove

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<v Speaker 2>on a suspended license in twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he was part of a giant year long investigation

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<v Speaker 2>Joint Investigation very SVU the NYPD in the Brooklyn DA's

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<v Speaker 2>office basically revealed he was selling guns in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 3>His phone was.

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<v Speaker 2>Taped after they got a tip about him, and two

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<v Speaker 2>undercovers spend months posing as clients who wanted to buy guns.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow yeah, And so they bought forty four weapons from him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was ordered to be held without bail on

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<v Speaker 2>dozens of these charges. According to Inmate Lookup, he is

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<v Speaker 2>still in custody for the criminal sale from firearms, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a first class B felony and he got fifteen

1:14:23.240 --> 1:14:26.160
<v Speaker 2>years and his earliest release date's going to be September fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty three. Now, Arthur was eligible to go in

1:14:30.920 --> 1:14:34.400
<v Speaker 2>front of the review board in twenty twenty two for parole,

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<v Speaker 2>but according to the New York Inmate lock Up, he

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<v Speaker 2>is still in prison and the earliest release date and

1:14:40.840 --> 1:14:44.120
<v Speaker 2>parole interview that he's going to have is February twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. And that status was updated right when I

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<v Speaker 2>was researching, so it's like as of September twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the status of where he is. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Levin Foundation was a nonprofit organizer.

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<v Speaker 3>Zation was established.

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<v Speaker 2>After the murder and it created a new media center

1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:07.879
<v Speaker 2>and athletic field at Taftai School and then a nearby

1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:11.960
<v Speaker 2>block was even renamed Jonathan Levin Way. The school, however,

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<v Speaker 2>closed in two thousand and eight and then transformed into

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of small specialized schools to meet modern career needs,

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<v Speaker 2>and that media school did eventually close in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>So that wow, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like so similar, so sad, so like I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if any murder, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like mindless, like pointless. I don't know. It's sad. Yeah, fucked.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Teachers have it hard enough without getting murdered by their

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<v Speaker 1>students or drifters from Indiana. All right, yeah really, bubber, well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for doing all that research. Let's head into

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<v Speaker 1>our post mortem since we don't have a guest today. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a wild episode. Uh post mortem? What are

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<v Speaker 1>our thoughts? I guess yeah. I mean it is weird

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<v Speaker 1>how sex addiction has not found its way into the

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<v Speaker 1>public like empathy the way that other addictions have.

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<v Speaker 3>No because people think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I do think that celebrity men who cheat use

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<v Speaker 2>it as a lie. I do, yes, so sue me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm victim blaming, but I don't believe it. But because

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<v Speaker 2>of that, we think of them and we don't think

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<v Speaker 2>of real sex edition, which is like I did eat

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<v Speaker 2>a candy.

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<v Speaker 3>I ate the candy with the crinkles.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry it's stuck to my teeth.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it'd be smooth. It's stuck to my teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>But so we think about that, but we don't think

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<v Speaker 2>about the person who's just like jerking off fifteen times

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<v Speaker 2>a day till everything's wraw. You know. Yeah, we're like

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<v Speaker 2>going out and searching for gangbangs and bass so.

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<v Speaker 3>But we don't, we don't really think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it's not a kink shame if you want

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<v Speaker 1>a gang bang in a basement. But if you like,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's affecting your life and you like absolutely have

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<v Speaker 1>to have the gang bang in the basement or the

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<v Speaker 1>nagging voice in your head won't leave you alone, that

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<v Speaker 1>might be a different a different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think everybody knows that I am not against

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<v Speaker 2>a gang bang basement. But people should read the book Choke.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where I learned a lot. It's I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>think I always say his name wrong, but I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Polanik, who wrote Fight Club. His book Choke, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>is about this guy who's a sex addict and he

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<v Speaker 2>goes to meetings and I feel like I learned.

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<v Speaker 3>I took it as truth.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the movie is with Sam Rockwell and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like fight club work change of stuff. It

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<v Speaker 2>is like seen by scene pretty much the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow wait the movie is also called Choke.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and that was my foray and to sex it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all television shows. And then Joan Cusack dates a guy,

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<v Speaker 2>the floutest, the fucking floutest dude that we had on

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<v Speaker 2>our podcast. Anton Krasnikov, Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why Gowan, Zach McGowan. Yes, so he has He

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<v Speaker 1>plays a character that is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Sex addict too, and it gets awakened by Joan Cusack

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<v Speaker 2>and he's just like the reason I said the gangbang

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<v Speaker 2>is like he had like a big thing, a loube

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<v Speaker 2>and he put down a tarp and he's like everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>we gotta do it and she's like, I don't wanna.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like.

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<v Speaker 3>He just became crazed in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>And so those are my fictional God.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta get Joan Cusack on the fucking podcast once again.

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<v Speaker 1>A plea to anyone that knows her personally, please let

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<v Speaker 1>us know. Let's move on to our what would mister

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<v Speaker 1>peg do for the week. That's our segment where we

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<v Speaker 1>direct you to an organization, a blog post, an article,

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<v Speaker 1>a book, something to give you more information about what

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about today. I thought we could, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in an effort to you know, highlight sex addiction, point

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<v Speaker 1>you guys to sex Addicts Anonymous. If you go to

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<v Speaker 1>their website, you can find all kinds of resources, including

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<v Speaker 1>self assessment tests to determine whether you suffer from sex addiction.

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<v Speaker 1>They also provide paths to recovery and can steer people

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<v Speaker 1>towards the closest SAA meetings and then so for more

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<v Speaker 1>info on that, head to SAA dash recovery dot org. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's SAA dash Recovery dot org. And that will be

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<v Speaker 1>in our highlights, our WWSPD highlight forever after we post

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<v Speaker 1>it on our stories the day that this episode comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I've had friends also with porn addiction. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's probably like hand in hand, so they probably

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<v Speaker 1>can help you with that kind of thing as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And guess what, I have a movie reference to discuss

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<v Speaker 2>porn addiction. The movie Don John with Joseph Gordon Levitt. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really good. It's Julianne Moore, Scarlett Johansson, Tony Danza,

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<v Speaker 2>Brie Larsen. I'm forgetting hotels. Joseph Gordon Levitt is like

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<v Speaker 2>so hot in that movie and he's it's dating Scarlet.

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<v Speaker 2>No Hanson, who's so hot. But she's disgusted that he

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<v Speaker 2>watches porn. Oh, she doesn't want to watch porn. She

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<v Speaker 2>has other problems too.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Your Tony Danza reference just met like reminded me that

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<v Speaker 1>I've only watched like the first three episodes of End

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<v Speaker 1>just like that, so I also have that to catch

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<v Speaker 1>up on the worst, the worst TV show.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to finish watching.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just disgusting because it's so good, Like Sex and

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<v Speaker 2>the City is just so good. I mean, everyone knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen and guess what. We'll talk about it again next week,

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<v Speaker 2>always and forever. Watch the episode Tortured, Season four, episode sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>If you know what's good for you, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to like you know, you know, rate star all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff on the internet, you can, but we don't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, no pressure, so much pressure?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, send us.

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<v Speaker 1>You could send us an email to it that's messed

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<v Speaker 1>up podcast at Gmail.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you checking the email?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>The other day, I just checked the email and I

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<v Speaker 1>responded to a ton of them. Wow, because you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I was in New York. I was in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>and I responded to people. If you're if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're one of the people that I just

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<v Speaker 1>responded to you after nine months because I just hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>gotten to.

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<v Speaker 3>Check the email.

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<v Speaker 1>And but there were other people that had written recently,

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<v Speaker 1>so they got more prompt responses. And I just was

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<v Speaker 1>on the subway in New York just banging out responses.

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<v Speaker 3>I got to be away from my kids. That's the thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, guys, you next week. Thank you so much

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