Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on these are our
Speaker 2: stories done done? Who do you who? Welcome to that's
Speaker 2: messed up in sv podcast. I am Lisa and I'm
Speaker 2: not Ava. And why did you pause for so long?
Speaker 2: Is it because I said.
Speaker 3: Who do you who?
Speaker 1: I think we're on a lag Like I think we're
Speaker 1: lagging because of Hotel Internet.
Speaker 2: So we're on the highatt Internet. We are in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: The wide release is on Halloween. Spooky boo.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Happy Halloween. You little you, little dick
Speaker 1: will babies. I hope everybody had a I hope everybody's
Speaker 1: wearing a Rollins or Olivia Benson inspired costume or I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe you're the Q tip guy from that episode.
Speaker 3: I would love some deep cut Halloween costumes.
Speaker 2: Let us know, guys, Yeah, tag us in your Halloween
Speaker 2: costumes if you're doing any SVU stuff. People have come
Speaker 2: to our live show dressed as people from the show,
Speaker 2: and it's usually a really big treat. Yes, we get
Speaker 2: really excited. What I'm not excited about. We get a
Speaker 2: lot of Amanda Rollins because I go, there's a lag.
Speaker 3: I think everyone.
Speaker 2: I think we put out a really high quality product
Speaker 2: and maybe this will be weird for them, but we're
Speaker 2: women on the go. I don't know we're in a
Speaker 2: titanic looking hotel. But last time we were on the
Speaker 2: other side of the hotel and it was such a
Speaker 2: far walk on the car.
Speaker 3: And I'm so glad we're above the lobby. I feel blessed.
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember, we're right down the street from the
Speaker 1: Presidential Suite, and I'd love to know we're down the hall.
Speaker 3: I'd love to know what it looks like. I'm hoping
Speaker 3: to get a peek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I noticed the Presidential Suite sign as well, and oh,
Speaker 2: I want to know.
Speaker 3: I want to know.
Speaker 1: But obviously I need to take a moment because we
Speaker 1: are coming to you live from adjacent hotel rooms, so
Speaker 1: you do know.
Speaker 3: We are on the road.
Speaker 1: We're next week we will be kicking off our Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City and the Midwest tour leg. So on November fourth,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be at Salt Lake City. On the fifth,
Speaker 1: we're going to be in Chicago. Guys, We're playing Park
Speaker 1: West in Chicago. Lisa now Chicago better than I do,
Speaker 1: but it's a iconic venue.
Speaker 3: Please come see us there.
Speaker 1: Then we're doing Madison, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, and Saint Louis all
Speaker 1: in a row in that week of November, so please
Speaker 1: come see us. And then Sacramento we're coming to you
Speaker 1: in mid December, and New York we added a second show, Babies.
Speaker 1: Our six o'clock show was basically sold out, and then
Speaker 1: our nine o'clock show has been added, so let's close
Speaker 1: the night with another full house. Come see us in
Speaker 1: New York and then Yeah, Philly on the seventeenth, and
Speaker 1: we haven't announced it on the pod yet, but it's
Speaker 1: been on a little bit on social media. We are
Speaker 1: going to be in Seattle. We're coming back Seattle to
Speaker 1: the Wet Comedy Festival. I believe it's called which makes
Speaker 1: sense because Seattle is damp. But I believe our show
Speaker 1: is on Saturday, the sixth of January. But that's all
Speaker 1: going to be on our Instagram and our That's Best
Speaker 1: up Live dot com website where you can get tickets
Speaker 1: for all the shows I just mentioned. So coming to you,
Speaker 1: come see us.
Speaker 2: I saw the January sixth of it all because I'm
Speaker 2: doing stand up that night too, and I, uh, the
Speaker 2: Big Fly art says January sixth. Then it does have
Speaker 2: name recognition. I wonder if it'll prevail like nine to
Speaker 2: eleven or go with the wind. But yeah, January sixth
Speaker 2: is fresh in all of our minds. So but I am.
Speaker 2: I am doing stand up in Salt Lake City, San Diego,
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, November second. I think that's it. There might
Speaker 2: be another city. I'm doing the best I can.
Speaker 1: Oh, Also, Lisa's doing stand up on January sixth. We're
Speaker 1: January seventh, so come see us at the Wet Comedy
Speaker 1: Festival in Seattle. Sorry for all the dates. We are
Speaker 1: having some travel things today. I just flew in this
Speaker 1: morning to Cleveland on a red eye, which you know
Speaker 1: those are always fun. I did have my own row
Speaker 1: a blessing from above, so I really stretched out and
Speaker 1: let my entire side go numb for a nice flight.
Speaker 1: And then I got here and we'd stayed at this
Speaker 1: hotel before and it seemed like they had so many
Speaker 1: rooms and it was pretty empty, and so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I won't even like try to get in the night before.
Speaker 1: I'll just like go I get here and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're fully booked.
Speaker 3: There's a conference in town. No rooms till till noon.
Speaker 1: It's seven thirty in the morning and I've gotten about
Speaker 1: two hours of sleep on a red eye.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no rooms till noon? Okay?
Speaker 1: Not then a little love seat, anywhere to sit. There
Speaker 1: are just four upright chairs in a circle, and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting next to a man watching videos with his sound on. Again,
Speaker 1: I do not condone this, and I just I just
Speaker 1: fall asleep sitting up. Eventually everybody that's sitting in the
Speaker 1: chairs is gone. It's a quiet time. It's just Kara
Speaker 1: and the people that work in the lobby. And I'm
Speaker 1: sitting up, sleeping up right. A woman comes up to
Speaker 1: me that works at the hotel and taps me on
Speaker 1: the shoulder and goes, ma'am, are you all right? And
Speaker 1: I go yeah. She's like, can I help you? I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for a room? Like in what what world am
Speaker 1: I just hanging out at this Ohio fucking hiatt, just
Speaker 1: sitting here sleeping like I'm wearing clean clothes.
Speaker 3: I've got a.
Speaker 1: Carry on bag with a laptop on my lap, Like
Speaker 1: what do you think I'm doing? I'm too old to
Speaker 1: be a runaway, so I don't understand what you think
Speaker 1: is going on.
Speaker 3: She's a little runaway. Yeah, hopefully that's a key enough
Speaker 3: we can keep it in. I like your singing.
Speaker 1: And so she goes, oh, are you are you ready
Speaker 1: for first available room? And I go, yes, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: upright sleeping like.
Speaker 2: A crazy person. Give me a fucking janitor's closet. I
Speaker 2: don't even care.
Speaker 1: So then she comes back and at nine am she
Speaker 1: has a room for me, and I'm like, great, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't noon, it was nine and I could go
Speaker 1: to sleep. But yeah, I just I couldn't imagine what
Speaker 1: She woke me up so gently, like let me take
Speaker 1: care of this indigent woman in a that's messed up
Speaker 1: purple sweatshirt, Like I'm wearing merch from my podcast, Like
Speaker 1: I don't look like I'm here to make a new
Speaker 1: home in your lobby.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I saw your purple sweatshirt and on
Speaker 2: your Instagram, and I got jealous.
Speaker 3: I'm like, where is mine?
Speaker 2: It's probably hanging somewhere, but I'm like, where the fuck
Speaker 2: is my purple sweatshirt?
Speaker 3: It's so fucking cute. Listen, we have cute merch.
Speaker 2: I had a really pleasant lift ride.
Speaker 3: This guy.
Speaker 2: He really loves zoos and aquariums and listen, so do I.
Speaker 2: So we really bonded and we talked, you know, animals and.
Speaker 3: The zoos they stay in. It was just like fun.
Speaker 2: He used to work at an aquarium gift shop and
Speaker 2: he said the number one toy that would sell out
Speaker 2: is unicorns. And it's like, what the fuck You're at
Speaker 2: an aquarium, what are you buying unicorns for? And he
Speaker 2: goes they were sold out. We couldn't keep the unicorns
Speaker 2: in stock. And he goes and all the parents would
Speaker 2: fight with their kids and be like, why are you
Speaker 2: getting a unicorn? We're at the aquarium, like look at
Speaker 2: all these fish, and the kids were like fuck that.
Speaker 2: And and I just like liked that little tidfit because
Speaker 2: you can get a norwall, which is a real life unicorn.
Speaker 3: Yes see.
Speaker 2: Which was it our friend or was it you that
Speaker 2: didn't know they were real until it?
Speaker 3: Kind of me?
Speaker 1: It was famously I did not know that narwals were
Speaker 1: real and are both of our friend child and my
Speaker 1: child wore the same narwal and the onesie And at
Speaker 1: one point I was like, well, they're not real, and my.
Speaker 3: Husband was like, yes they are. I thought they were, Like,
Speaker 3: I thought they were magical creatures. I had never heard
Speaker 3: of a norm Wall. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it wasn't for the Shed Aquarium in Chicago,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would know that information.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I also, I also feel like, because we record so
Speaker 2: far in advance and we have to like do a
Speaker 2: lot of flip flopping, like all the Taylor Swift stuff
Speaker 2: I want to talk about, it's already outdated, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. But they went to the Waverly in
Speaker 2: for dyea and that is a restaurant that is dear
Speaker 2: to my heart.
Speaker 3: So I like that.
Speaker 2: I feel connected. And they went to Nobu, which I'm into.
Speaker 2: Get a blackmasa odd delicious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's another celebrity couple I've never really gotten your
Speaker 1: take on. And maybe you're gonna give me a big
Speaker 1: I don't care, But uh, where are you on? Kylie
Speaker 1: and Tshell? Kylie Jenner and Timothy Challamey?
Speaker 2: Okay, I hope it's not real, but maybe they have
Speaker 2: a lot in common. Like it's just I guess they're
Speaker 2: both fashion young and hot.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Is he a.
Speaker 2: Stepdaddy, Like I just I know, I can't imagine what
Speaker 2: is going on. And maybe because he was in Little Women,
Speaker 2: I think he's smarter than he is. Like to me,
Speaker 2: he's like this thespian and she's like a vapid idiot.
Speaker 2: But you know, she is a businesswoman, so that's rude.
Speaker 2: And I do love the way she parents. All the
Speaker 2: videos of her and her child are so cute.
Speaker 3: He's really patient. Baby Stormy is really cute.
Speaker 2: It's just really cute. I don't know if we've seen
Speaker 2: him or I haven't, but I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just seems weird, but good for them.
Speaker 3: Honestly.
Speaker 1: I saw something on my Instagram recently that was like
Speaker 1: Timothy Shallaby wants his relationship to be private, and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, well, you guys could literally buy an
Speaker 1: island to go hang out on. But you're out, like
Speaker 1: you're out in the public. People are seeing you. But
Speaker 1: it's a wild relationship. I just didn't think any of
Speaker 1: the Kardashians would be banging Oscar nominees.
Speaker 3: I didn't. What are you talking about? World surprises you?
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: I just feel they've conquered the NBA, they conquered music
Speaker 2: and what's next?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're writings? Acting was next? Acting was next? So
Speaker 1: I just didn't see it. I just didn't see it.
Speaker 2: No, what I want to know is, let's say these
Speaker 2: are pr relationships, you know, like, are they still fucking
Speaker 2: and it's fun and they have a vibe and they're
Speaker 2: in on it? Are they sitting in silence? Are they
Speaker 2: even eating dinner when they're seen at someone's house? Like,
Speaker 2: what are they doing in there? Or do they just
Speaker 2: feed the the tabloids the stories of who slept where
Speaker 2: and they're not even going to each other's homes? Like
Speaker 2: I just want to know everything. And you do have
Speaker 2: friends that were at the SNL party with them, and
Speaker 2: I have to get some information.
Speaker 3: I'll get some intel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like how real does it seem? And I don't
Speaker 2: care either way, but I do care. I'm also so
Speaker 2: behind on Bravo.
Speaker 3: It's sick. It's sick. Listen, well let's start.
Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm so behind. I'm seeing memes memes of
Speaker 1: the finale. You guys are writing, going. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to hear your guys take on the finale. Haven't watched
Speaker 1: it yet. It's so sad. I mean, by the time
Speaker 1: this episode comes out, I'll obviously have watched it. I
Speaker 1: can't make it to Halloween.
Speaker 2: But no, but they're probably gonna hear about it on Christmas,
Speaker 2: like Christmas happened, and you're like, Wow, you're talking about
Speaker 2: the finale of Rony Equal.
Speaker 3: Wow, Cleveland looks beautiful out the window. Wow.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to close the shutters and sleep block
Speaker 2: out the light of Cleveland. Yeah, I eat my little
Speaker 2: snacks that my mom packs me.
Speaker 3: Oh, not to be a.
Speaker 1: Downer, but this is our first episode. Yes, the amazing
Speaker 1: Joanna Merlin passed away.
Speaker 3: She played Judge Petrowsky.
Speaker 1: I tried to find the email where she passed on
Speaker 1: our podcast, but I can't find it. But obviously I
Speaker 1: do remember that she said sounds fun, but not at
Speaker 1: this time or something like that. So I like the
Speaker 1: idea that she even knew our podcast existed and thought
Speaker 1: it's quote unquote sounded fun. So I it's crazy because
Speaker 1: you watch episodes where she's only in one scene, two scenes.
Speaker 3: She's such a scene stealer. She's so good. We all
Speaker 3: will remember how she would call Cabot Alexandra. That's exactly
Speaker 3: what I was thinking in my head right now.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, cue yeah and I just yeah, so
Speaker 1: we just we posted it on our Instagram obviously, but
Speaker 1: we hadn't had a chance to talk about it.
Speaker 3: We love her.
Speaker 2: She is the most beloved, like she really is, and
Speaker 2: she is such a staple and we will think about
Speaker 2: her positivity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's other judges we've you know, we've got more
Speaker 1: doc We've got Lois, Lewis Louise, We've got so many
Speaker 1: judges that we like.
Speaker 3: Uh, there's Zosha Mammet's mother.
Speaker 2: There's is that the gym teacher one I don't know,
Speaker 2: she's got the short hair and like very Connecticut sort
Speaker 2: of way of talking.
Speaker 3: There's also like the gray haired guy, and.
Speaker 2: Then all the judges, the guy who tends his roses
Speaker 2: but oh yeah, all the pedophile judges. But also Cory
Speaker 2: Horowitz but that's not his name, Horowitz, But is he
Speaker 2: a judge? He becomes a judge, That's what I like.
Speaker 1: Oh there's Georgie from Girls, I mean, I mean from Sisters,
Speaker 1: excuse me, not Girls Sisters. There's so many good judges,
Speaker 1: but Petrowski is a cut above and we hope she
Speaker 1: her family is doing well and she's resting in peace.
Speaker 3: I don't really God, Casey found the email.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, do you want to read it since
Speaker 2: you've read it since?
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is from Joanna Merlin. This is an
Speaker 1: email she sent to our booker. My apologies. I thought
Speaker 1: I had responded, but obviously was mistaken. I appreciate your
Speaker 1: invitation and the show sounds like fun, but I must
Speaker 1: decline too many reasons to explain, but I cannot participate.
Speaker 1: Happy Valentine's Day, Best Joanna Merlin. Oh my gosh, Casey,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you found that.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that he that she wrote Happy Valentine's Day.
Speaker 3: That is so sweet, and I'm sure the reasons.
Speaker 1: We're just like, She's like, I'm at the end of
Speaker 1: my life and I really don't need to be doing
Speaker 1: a weird podcast.
Speaker 2: But you know, also, this podcast is extra weird right
Speaker 2: now because me and you are in identical hotel rooms,
Speaker 2: and it's like the matrix shifted, Like this can be
Speaker 2: one of the things where people are like, this is.
Speaker 3: How we know we're in a you know, simulation. Wait, Casey,
Speaker 3: take a screenshot. This is really funny.
Speaker 1: We're both just sitting in our hotel rooms, same exact
Speaker 1: artwork behind us. Yeah, we're just in a it's just
Speaker 1: for technical reason, it doesn't make sense for us to
Speaker 1: be in the same room. So we're in adjacent hotel rooms.
Speaker 1: We can hear each other through the wall, and we're
Speaker 1: doing our intros on our beds.
Speaker 2: I'm also doing the craziest thing, which is unraveling a
Speaker 2: crinkly candy, which is such a funny.
Speaker 3: If that were me, you would be like, what are
Speaker 3: you doing? All right, let's get this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get this show on the road. Guys,
Speaker 1: We've got a good episode for you. Don't go anywhere, Okay.
Speaker 1: We are going back to two thousand and one Babies Secrets,
Speaker 1: season two, episode twelve, And I believe we were prompted.
Speaker 3: To do this episode, Liza, because you caught it on
Speaker 3: TV or something. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I caught like the last you know, ten fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes of it and I was like, what is this.
Speaker 2: I've never seen this in my whole fucking life. And
Speaker 2: then all the listeners wrote were like, it's secrets, It's secrets,
Speaker 2: And then watching it, I do remember some of the
Speaker 2: red herrings and the suspects and things are coming together
Speaker 2: in a way that I know that I had seen it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's what prompted it. And it came Offembuorary
Speaker 2: second two thousand and one. Shout out to my brother
Speaker 2: in law, Elon, that's his birthday, and shout out to Sydney,
Speaker 2: Washington and that is also her birthday day.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Groundhog Day two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: I also remember watching this episode a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: but could not remember the ending until I saw it.
Speaker 1: Like when I was doing this episode, like, I was like,
Speaker 1: who ends up doing it? Isn't it a couple of
Speaker 1: her students, Like because there is an episode where Teach
Speaker 1: where a teacher is killed by her students, And so
Speaker 1: I was having fun, you know, kind of rediscovering a
Speaker 1: new ending as well. So here we go. We open
Speaker 1: on a super entering an apartment to fix the shitter.
Speaker 1: Very classic and classical music is playing. It is a
Speaker 1: very large New York apartment. He cannot find her. He's
Speaker 1: like searching various rooms, and when he opens the bedroom
Speaker 1: he does find Done Done, a naked woman face down
Speaker 1: on the bed and the room has been ransacked. Cut
Speaker 1: to Benson and Stabler arriving and He's like, uh, who
Speaker 1: turned on the radio, And it's like, Stabler, when have
Speaker 1: we ever seen CSU just like start jamming some tunes
Speaker 1: while they process a scene, like, obviously, that's not what happened.
Speaker 1: CSU technician Harry Martin, who I looked up and has
Speaker 1: been on a dozen episodes of this show in seasons
Speaker 1: one through four, but I am getting nothing from his
Speaker 1: face in terms of recognition, tells Stabler that it was
Speaker 1: on when she was found, and so he tells them
Speaker 1: the victim's name is Marnie Owens, age thirty seven, lived alone.
Speaker 1: This show loves a Marnie. I've never met a Marnie
Speaker 1: in real life. Have you ever met a Marnie? No?
Speaker 1: I just think about the show Girls. Yeah, there's Marnie
Speaker 1: from Girls. There was Marnie in the episode Totem. There's
Speaker 1: Marnie in this I just have never met a Marnie.
Speaker 1: And they say her name so many times in this episode, Like,
Speaker 1: is Marnie a diminutive for something? I wonder anyway, just wondering.
Speaker 1: They finally kill the music. The super explains that Marnie
Speaker 1: called the night before and said the toilet was keeping
Speaker 1: her awake, and he looks very upset over what he
Speaker 1: has gone through, like finding the body, and you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like he did it. He tells them
Speaker 1: that when he got there the door was closed. He
Speaker 1: thought maybe she slept through her alarm. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like me on nine to eleven because I fully slept
Speaker 1: through a lot of it because I was sleeping through
Speaker 1: class and my alarm clock kept being like twin towers.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening? These DJs are saying
Speaker 1: some weird shit. It was a weird way to wake up.
Speaker 1: Melinda calls them into the bedroom where the camera really
Speaker 1: drinks in the dead body, like they do not do
Speaker 1: shots like this anymore, Like it was a full like
Speaker 1: ankle to risk shot of the body, like moving slowly
Speaker 1: up her body to show you this like dead woman.
Speaker 1: Melinda tells them fluid and bruising around the genitals. Cause
Speaker 1: of death is manual strungulation. And then she's been dead
Speaker 1: about ten to twelve hours, and we see that she
Speaker 1: did put up a fight. We'll know more after the autopsy.
Speaker 1: As always, we always know more after the autopsy. Michael
Speaker 1: Boden Suddenly the phone starts ringing, and Stable's like nobody
Speaker 1: pick it up, and she goes on the answering machine.
Speaker 1: This is Marnie, you know the drill, which is kind
Speaker 1: of funny way to put on your answer, very not
Speaker 1: like nineties way to leave your answering machine. A woman
Speaker 1: on the answering machine says, Hi, it's Ruth. It's ten am.
Speaker 1: We're starting to worry call us and the caller ID
Speaker 1: says NYC schools. So Elliott clocks that the wall behind
Speaker 1: her desk is covered in awards for being the world's
Speaker 1: best teacher. And then Stay goes school's out and it's like,
Speaker 1: you're no Jerry Orbach at this point. We're only on
Speaker 1: season two. You are not that good at the punt
Speaker 1: like the Penny one liners yet. So now top of
Speaker 1: act one, Craigan can't believe that this woman survived teaching
Speaker 1: in one of the city's worst high schools but isn't
Speaker 1: safe in her own apartment, and I guess he just
Speaker 1: thinks it's crazy that a student didn't kill her, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, that just seems like it's not really related.
Speaker 1: But no doorman, no forced entry, no boyfriend. The dining
Speaker 1: room was set up like a classroom. She seemed like
Speaker 1: a dedicated teacher. The super has a clean record and
Speaker 1: an alibi, and he looked sad, so that means he
Speaker 1: didn't do it. They found a half empty bottle of prozac,
Speaker 1: and that becomes a huge part of the episode because,
Speaker 1: like I guess, medication for mental health twenty two years
Speaker 1: ago was not as commonplace because everybody's very like the prozac,
Speaker 1: the prozac the whole time. And somebody says, if we
Speaker 1: had her job, we might all be depressed.
Speaker 3: I forgot probably stabler. It's like you do work at
Speaker 3: SVU yees, Sir.
Speaker 1: I antety president would help you forget about the toddler
Speaker 1: you just found dead last week. But he refuses to
Speaker 1: go to any therapy, so he'll never get any medication.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have any therapy appointments in her date book,
Speaker 1: just tutoring appointments, and the last one was Ethan Chance
Speaker 1: at six o'clock the night before. So Craigan sends Benson
Speaker 1: is Stable to the high school to find out what's up.
Speaker 3: And I bet Stable knows exactly.
Speaker 1: Where they were going and knows a shortcut to get there,
Speaker 1: because he is an encyclopedia of New York City schools
Speaker 1: at Douglas MacArthur High School. Betson and Stable are walking
Speaker 1: and talking with the principal, who's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Marnie was so special.
Speaker 3: She was a teacher I'd like to clone.
Speaker 1: She transformed kids who were so behind into kids that
Speaker 1: were getting into college. And she tutored her most challenging
Speaker 1: students for free, and she had seniors write plays about
Speaker 1: their lives. Like she seems very dangerous minds Michelle Pfeiffer situation,
Speaker 1: like she's really killing it and connecting with the kids.
Speaker 1: She never really shared much about her life outside, the
Speaker 1: principal says, and she's like, we were friends at school,
Speaker 1: but outside, like we never were grabbing a drink or anything.
Speaker 1: They said she missed a meeting on Friday, which was
Speaker 1: the first time in five years. They're like, what's the
Speaker 1: deal with Ethan Chance. She goes, oh, that's one of
Speaker 1: her prodigies, a kid from a drug corner who has
Speaker 1: a real shot at college. Now she gets choked up
Speaker 1: showing them Marnie's classroom and then leaves to go get Ethan.
Speaker 1: There's a vigil on her desk like gifts flowers. People
Speaker 1: are like kind of standing by it, looking upset and
Speaker 1: some people are leaving stuff there. One mom goes, are
Speaker 1: you guys the cops and she's like, my daughter's going
Speaker 1: to graduate because of Marnie. You gotta find the man
Speaker 1: who did this to us and Ethan it turns out
Speaker 1: never showed up for school that morning, so that's not
Speaker 1: good news. He doesn't have a dad in the picture,
Speaker 1: and his mom is a teller at a bank on
Speaker 1: La Fayette, So that's very impressive.
Speaker 3: I feel like that the principal just.
Speaker 1: Like knows what the mom does and where she works
Speaker 1: to Like, I wonder if they ask my kids principle,
Speaker 1: if they'd be like, oh, she's a podcaster sex crimes.
Speaker 1: You can probably find her in her garage right now,
Speaker 1: Like if you ask the principal, I would love that.
Speaker 1: I don't think the principal knows who I am. So
Speaker 1: now they go and talk to Ethan's mom and it
Speaker 1: is friend of the pod Sayita Erica Akelona aka Natalie.
Speaker 3: We did interview her. She is in so many episodes.
Speaker 2: Yes, she pops up so much in SVU it is incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She It was just in an episode that we covered
Speaker 1: at one of our live shows called and just look
Speaker 1: like and or just look like one. And so we've
Speaker 1: been getting a lot of extra nardally in our lives lately.
Speaker 1: So she thought Ethan went to school early, and she's worried.
Speaker 1: She's like, miss Owens is not going to tolerate him
Speaker 1: missing school. But then they break the news like, oh,
Speaker 1: miss Owens has been murdered, and she goes, oh, dear God, no,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I owe her a lot. She turned
Speaker 1: Ethan around, showed him that there was a better life
Speaker 1: than dealing drugs. She told him she would not be
Speaker 1: bringing him a care package on the slammer. So miss
Speaker 1: Owens was helping turn his ass around. He came home
Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock that night, she says. The mom feels
Speaker 1: the vibe that they're suspicious of her son, and she's like,
Speaker 1: this is not him, no way. He's been in trouble
Speaker 1: with drugs, but he's straightened out. He's a good boy.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, well did he say anything about tutoring,
Speaker 1: and she goes, well, he said. Miss Owens yelled at
Speaker 1: him when she asked why, he stormed off to his
Speaker 1: room slammed the door.
Speaker 3: When she woke up this morning, he was gone. Doesn't
Speaker 3: sound great.
Speaker 1: She tells them that when he used to cut school,
Speaker 1: he'd hang out with these losers on Suffolk and Revington.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to Munch and Finn in the
Speaker 1: freezing New York City air interviewing an old lady neighbor
Speaker 1: of Marnie's. She's like, we were neighbors for six years.
Speaker 1: She came to visit me at rehab when I fell
Speaker 1: last year. She's such a nice girl, not like that
Speaker 1: other one down the hall, and calls her a corva,
Speaker 1: which is our resident Yiddish translator. Munch says means whore,
Speaker 1: but I googled it and it also means slut and bitch,
Speaker 1: so we love that.
Speaker 3: Uh hey, how loud is it? Said?
Speaker 1: K u r v e h is what it said
Speaker 1: in uh absssed. Yeah, so we can start being like
Speaker 1: curva please. She noticed that one of Marnie's students went
Speaker 1: into her apartment around supper time. He looked like a
Speaker 1: hood and this woman is obviously like Karen like, she
Speaker 1: seems like she's racist with a side of slut shaming.
Speaker 1: And she says he was a black kid with a
Speaker 1: brown jacket. She heard some loud voices while she was
Speaker 1: eating her dinner, but she couldn't hear much.
Speaker 3: She's old.
Speaker 1: Her son had to get her special headphones so she
Speaker 1: could hear my Rosie, and I'm assuming she's talking about
Speaker 1: the Rosi o' donald talk show, which I did name
Speaker 1: Rosie after Rosi o' donnell, so that means a lot
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: I didn't, but can you imagine if I did so.
Speaker 1: Regarding boyfriends, the only one she ever saw was Byron,
Speaker 1: a doctor, and she hasn't seen him in a while.
Speaker 1: Regarding family, her parents are dead. Her brother Jordan is
Speaker 1: all she has left and she hasn't seen him for years. Wow,
Speaker 1: this woman knows a lot about Marnie's life For a neighbor.
Speaker 1: Cut to the body identification. Jordan, the brother is there
Speaker 1: and he's like I told my dumb dead sister she
Speaker 1: had to have a doorman, like I love. Like in hindsight,
Speaker 1: that's like how he's grieving is to blame her for
Speaker 1: not having a doorman. Finn and Munch ask about the
Speaker 1: doctor boyfriend and the brother's like boyfriend, Tria Fair. He's married,
Speaker 1: so we find out his name is Byron Marx and
Speaker 1: he's a surgeon at Bellevue He also told her to
Speaker 1: stay away from the married guy. So this guy seems
Speaker 1: like a really fun brother. Cut to Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: arriving on a street corner, rap is blaring. Kids are
Speaker 1: gathered in a group on the sidewalk and they're like,
Speaker 1: you've seen Ethan and they go, Ethan Hawk, you got
Speaker 1: the wrong hood man, and I do love that, like
Speaker 1: the cops pulling up being excuse me, have you guys
Speaker 1: seen the Star of before and before Midnight?
Speaker 3: Ethan Hawk?
Speaker 1: So that Stabler goes, don't play us, He's such a dork.
Speaker 1: He holds up the picture and they're like, oh, little
Speaker 1: e he's too good for us. Now they start busting
Speaker 1: their balls about skipping school, like why aren't you guys
Speaker 1: in school? And then the kids are like, I got
Speaker 1: the flu and it's the other ones like it's contagious.
Speaker 3: So these kids are funny.
Speaker 2: Get into an improv class, yeah, engage them.
Speaker 1: Yes, build on their comedic timing, their sense of humor.
Speaker 3: I bet Martnie would have done that.
Speaker 1: Sadly, she has gone, we're gonna ask you one more
Speaker 1: time about Ethan, and if we don't like the answer,
Speaker 1: we play show and tell. And it's like okay, Benson
Speaker 1: and Stabler with the stop and frisk. I don't love that, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to defend you guys. And
Speaker 1: they're annoyed because talking to the cops doesn't make them
Speaker 1: look good like on the street if people see them,
Speaker 1: So when they start to move in for the arrest,
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, okay, okay. Last night he was complaining
Speaker 1: about his teacher in the schoolyard. He said they had
Speaker 1: a fight. He didn't say anything about it though, like,
Speaker 1: nothing about the fight. So now talking to the doctor Byron,
Speaker 1: who says it wasn't really an affair. He and his
Speaker 1: wife were separated at the time, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: is that why you split? And he goes, well, that
Speaker 1: was a long time coming. He tells them that him
Speaker 1: and Martie met in a mentoring program for inner city
Speaker 1: kids and the last time he spoke to her was
Speaker 1: the night they broke up three months ago. He was
Speaker 1: looking for a relationship, she wasn't. He's a self proclaimed
Speaker 1: nestor and was ready to settle down with Marnie and
Speaker 1: her commitment was to her kids at her school. So
Speaker 1: last night, he said he was at dinner with his
Speaker 1: new girlfriend and then spent the night at her apartment.
Speaker 1: She's also a nestor. I know, I hate like I
Speaker 1: think it's just homebody is a better word. But at
Speaker 1: Ethan's apartment, the mom is desperate to help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and messer sounds sinister in a way little nests
Speaker 2: in your home.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, I guess because empty nester has to do
Speaker 1: with kids. I just feel like it doesn't involve it's
Speaker 1: not the same thing. It's just wanting to stay home.
Speaker 1: At Ethan's apartment, the mom is really desperate to help.
Speaker 1: She's like, I've called around everywhere to find him. I
Speaker 1: can't find him. They ask, can we check his room?
Speaker 1: She's like sure. When they search it, Benson is like, wow,
Speaker 1: the room is really clean. And then they find a
Speaker 1: crumpled up piece of paper and it looks like she
Speaker 1: was teaching more than just English, they say. The mom
Speaker 1: comes over to see it and goes, good, lord, what
Speaker 1: was she doing to my son? And we see the
Speaker 1: paper is a photo of Marnie naked and basically doing
Speaker 1: the bend and snap from legally blonde like she's just
Speaker 1: fully bent over. And this is shocking because you know,
Speaker 1: Teacher of the Year and teachers are not allowed to
Speaker 1: be sexual or enjoy sex in anyway. At the precinct,
Speaker 1: they're updating Kragan and it's.
Speaker 2: Like famously that most teachers were sluts in high school.
Speaker 2: They were the party animals. If you see a nurse
Speaker 2: or a teacher that was a slut. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be fucking. It's kind of the number one
Speaker 2: porn fantasy is teacher student. Not that we support that, right,
Speaker 2: that's not think teachers are out there fucking is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So at the precinct they're updating Kragan and he's like,
Speaker 1: get Marnie's PC down to computer crimes and like we'll
Speaker 1: see what else is on the hard drive. Maybe Ethan
Speaker 1: feels guilty and we'll show up at the funeral tomorrow,
Speaker 1: they say so. At Saint James Church, we're at the
Speaker 1: day of the funeral. Stabler's in the car while Finn
Speaker 1: is outside undercover. They're looking out for Ethan. Finn looks
Speaker 1: like the biggest cop if you've ever seen one. He's
Speaker 1: just standing outside the funeral like arms crossed over each other,
Speaker 1: looking straight ahead, like he fully looks like a cop.
Speaker 1: So when the kid is passing to come into the church,
Speaker 1: he totally realizes it's a cop. He breaks out running.
Speaker 1: We hear screeching tires, sirens. Benson starts booking after him
Speaker 1: on the street, so does Finn. They finally grab him.
Speaker 1: Finn slams him against the wall and is like, that's
Speaker 1: making me run on my bad knee, and I I
Speaker 1: love that there's extra anger because he's like, I got
Speaker 1: a bumny. He says I didn't do anything, and they
Speaker 1: arrest him and said, your mother's looking for you. So
Speaker 1: that's the end of act one. In interrogation, they ask
Speaker 1: why did you run? And he's quiet, he doesn't answer.
Speaker 2: And this guy, his photo is like the main that's
Speaker 2: the Hulu photo. I feel, oh, okay, this man's face
Speaker 2: so many times, that's when it all clicks. When I
Speaker 2: saw his face is when it all clicks for me, Like, okay,
Speaker 2: I've seen this or just the thumbnail over and over again,
Speaker 2: who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I saw a thumbnail of like a season
Speaker 1: two episode the other day that was Amorro and Rollins.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is a mistake, Huloo.
Speaker 1: But we've caught their mistakes before, much like how they
Speaker 1: misnumber all of the episodes. Okay, so they slap down
Speaker 1: the naked picture of Marty in front of him, and
Speaker 1: then Ben goes, when did you two start knocking boots?
Speaker 3: And Ethan's like, what the fuck what?
Speaker 1: And he feels bad because the last time he saw
Speaker 1: her he said he called her a whore. And then
Speaker 1: he's but he's not like talking or giving them informa,
Speaker 1: and so Finn pulls him aside and goes, here's the deal, dude,
Speaker 1: you were the last to see her. You've got this
Speaker 1: picture of her. You ram this all looks really bad
Speaker 1: for you. Give us something or you're fucked, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I didn't like have that picture. Little Camp gave me
Speaker 1: the picture and they're like, who's little Camp? And it's
Speaker 1: Marcus Cole. He said he found it messing around on
Speaker 1: the internet and that missus Owens was advertising for sex.
Speaker 1: Marcus said he was going to spread the picture all
Speaker 1: around school because mss Owens was on him about cutting class.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing his work, so he was going to
Speaker 1: like revenge shame her, and at the tutoring sash, he
Speaker 1: showed miss Owens the picture, trying to warn her. Then
Speaker 1: she starts yelling at him like it's his fault and
Speaker 1: tells him.
Speaker 3: To get out.
Speaker 1: He denies doing anything wrong, and he says he was
Speaker 1: just trying to help her. He went back the next
Speaker 1: morning before school to like apologize, and he saw cops
Speaker 1: all over her place, and he asked somebody in the
Speaker 1: crowd what happened, and they said, oh, a woman was
Speaker 1: murdered on the third floor, a teacher. And he's really
Speaker 1: sad because he's like, miss Owens never judged me. She
Speaker 1: said I could be something, and I called her a
Speaker 1: whore and that's the last words I said to her.
Speaker 1: So he's sad, and Benson's like, did she ever touch you?
Speaker 2: And he even acts like a student called you a whore?
Speaker 2: It'd be like, okay, what that's Yeah, I'm shocked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Benson asks if he's if she's ever touched it.
Speaker 1: It's like, Benson, I don't know, I don't know. It
Speaker 1: seems like a weird question. After all of like we've
Speaker 1: already established that. He's like, wait, what nothing happened and
Speaker 1: he goes, she never laid a hand on me. So
Speaker 1: coming out of that interview, Finn believes Ethan and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's the story with Marcus Cole Stabler looks at the
Speaker 1: file and goes, well, well, well if it isn't flu boy.
Speaker 1: So it's one of the guys from the corner who
Speaker 1: was cutting school, going I have the flu. One of
Speaker 1: our comedians. They bring him in and he las he's funny,
Speaker 1: he's been on this stage before, and he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I found the picture online.
Speaker 3: I didn't make it. I'm just a consumer.
Speaker 1: And he didn't like her because she wasn't going to
Speaker 1: graduate him and Stabler leans in and like whispers the
Speaker 1: close talker that he is, and he goes, news flash,
Speaker 1: you gotta show up to class to graduate.
Speaker 2: Like he's so crazy, how he tries his intimidation tactics
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, but I wouldn't kill a bitch
Speaker 2: over fucking like not graduating, Like that's not my thing.
Speaker 1: He says, I'll take a blood test, I'll take any
Speaker 1: test you want. So on the other side of the glass,
Speaker 1: Kraigan's like, well that was too easy. It's probably not
Speaker 1: this guy. Munch says that Marnie didn't have any prose.
Speaker 1: We're back to the prozac. I don't know where Munch
Speaker 1: is like, Marnie didn't have any prozac in her system
Speaker 1: according to the talk screen.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 1: They're like, what about the brother, Let's check him out,
Speaker 1: pay ow a respectful visit. Meanwhile, at Computer Crimes, we've
Speaker 1: got our old Paladirdro Lovejoy as the actress and she
Speaker 1: was recently the doctor who on Boorn Psychopath. The kid
Speaker 1: fooled her into letting her out of the psych hospital.
Speaker 1: She's like, he's reformed. I don't know what to tell you,
Speaker 1: not psycho anymore. Turns out he was. She says, the
Speaker 1: history on the computer looks like a bad porno flick,
Speaker 1: and she's like, okay, so she ran the ad on
Speaker 1: this website. And Elliott goes the Love Studs website, which
Speaker 1: is spelled luv Studs and I love that and it
Speaker 1: is another entry into the bad website hall of fame
Speaker 1: that we are we know about on SVU, like, I
Speaker 1: just cannot believe websites used to look like this. And
Speaker 1: this is where Marnie like advertised herself and she the
Speaker 1: dear Jo Lovejoy goes Welcome to the Red Light District
Speaker 1: of the New Millennium and they're like, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: We see this huge page of Marnie in various bend
Speaker 1: and snap poses and her name is right across the top, Marnie, Like,
Speaker 1: it seems pretty easy to just be like Violet, you know,
Speaker 1: like change your name. Especially, it's like I know teachers
Speaker 1: that don't have public instagrams, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like of them on their vacation. So to go on
Speaker 1: like a full sex website and be like, my name's Marnie,
Speaker 1: here's my full face is wild. And the advertising like
Speaker 1: slogan on her page says hot babe, looking for ten
Speaker 1: hotter guys. I can take you all at once, And
Speaker 1: then the computer nerd lady pulls up the chat history
Speaker 1: from the last month. So Finn and Munch now meanwhile,
Speaker 1: are at the restaurant of Marnie's brother to get answers,
Speaker 1: and they're like, why was your sister on prozac? And
Speaker 1: he's like, well, maybe the shrink I sent her to
Speaker 1: prescribe it. He tells them, I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I've been preparing myself for this for a long time.
Speaker 1: After all, no doorman anything could have happened. He says
Speaker 1: he knew about Mark Marney's secret life. He says, some
Speaker 1: people shoot heroin. Marnie's drug was sex. He could tell
Speaker 1: because his room was next to hers when they grew
Speaker 1: up as teens and he heard everything each time.
Speaker 3: A different guy. He says.
Speaker 1: Their mom died of cancer when he was a baby,
Speaker 1: and the dad was either at work or drunk, and
Speaker 1: he never touched Marnie but apparently would often tell her
Speaker 1: how nice her tits were. So creepy dad, And he goes,
Speaker 1: I was just a kid, What was I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: So now we're at a shrink's office. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's Marnie shrink, and he's explaining the concept of covert incest.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of this before, so I was happy
Speaker 1: to learn about this term.
Speaker 3: Always happy to learn about a new kind of incest.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so when I looked it up, it's actually
Speaker 1: emotional incest or covert incests.
Speaker 3: So there's two names for it.
Speaker 1: And it happens when a caregiver or parent relies on
Speaker 1: child for emotional needs that an adult relationship would usually provide.
Speaker 1: That's interesting to call it that, Like, I feel like
Speaker 1: I've seen that before, Like people that treat their kids
Speaker 1: like like a partner in.
Speaker 2: Every way, watch a thing together in vain, Like I
Speaker 2: feel like we just watched something together about this where
Speaker 2: it's like, if like your husband sucks, you put all
Speaker 2: of that into your son and it's like you're dating
Speaker 2: your son.
Speaker 1: It's I have to say, it's kind of a creepy
Speaker 1: vibe I get on like boy mom TikTok, where it's
Speaker 1: like like it'll be a video of a woman being
Speaker 1: like that feeling you get when you know that someday
Speaker 1: your son's gonna marry another girl and leave you, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yikes, I've like never had that thought, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or like that feel when
Speaker 1: you know that no girl's ever going to be enough
Speaker 1: for your son, and it's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I get a weird But I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's covert incest. I'm just saying it's a
Speaker 1: vibe I don't like.
Speaker 2: I get a lot of joy out of mother in
Speaker 2: law BuzzFeed lists and reddish mother in law'sby acting crazy.
Speaker 2: They will show up in a wedding dress at your wedding.
Speaker 2: They will just have shoulder pads. Yeah, they might even
Speaker 2: wear a funeral outfit. These mother in laws that want
Speaker 2: to fuck their sons, they're out there being wild, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but still more harmle it.
Speaker 3: I think the covert I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, basically this shrink get more into it. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: shrink gets more into it and it's more creepy. He's like,
Speaker 1: it's like when your dad watches you take a bath,
Speaker 1: probably into a later age, like tells dirty jokes, mentions
Speaker 1: his sex life to you. And then once you hit puberty,
Speaker 1: he says, he starts admiring your body, buys you lingerie,
Speaker 1: takes you as a date to a business dinner.
Speaker 3: Like creepy shit like that. So very very.
Speaker 1: Donald and Ivanka, I'll be honest, like very Donald and
Speaker 1: Ivanka covert incests.
Speaker 3: Let's get that going.
Speaker 1: So when a person who you know lives with this
Speaker 1: kind of covert incest for years grows up, it's like
Speaker 1: the only way she can relate to men is through sex,
Speaker 1: because that's like how their daughter has the father has
Speaker 1: conditioned them. So the prozac is for the depression and
Speaker 1: which is very comment in any kind of addiction. And
Speaker 1: Munch is like, well that doesn't really sound like Teacher
Speaker 1: of the Year. And the guy's like, you don't get it.
Speaker 1: They're not having fun. This isn't like she's horny, she's numb,
Speaker 1: she's gripped by a force that she cannot control, like
Speaker 1: an addict, like and it won't stop until she has sex.
Speaker 1: So he's like, it's sad because drug addiction, alcohol addiction,
Speaker 1: a lot of addictions are considered illnesses and you know,
Speaker 1: treated as such by society, but sex addicts are considered perverts,
Speaker 1: and there's so much shame that they're looking for redemption.
Speaker 1: Hence the whole Teacher of the Year things. So she's
Speaker 1: so ashamed of her like sex addiction, that she puts
Speaker 1: all of her time into helping these kids as if
Speaker 1: that will like redeem her as a member of society.
Speaker 1: And it's surprising she was able to keep the secret
Speaker 1: for so long at this school. Coming back into the precinct,
Speaker 1: Bunch is telling this wild story to Finn about how
Speaker 1: once in Baltimore he came to the office and everyone
Speaker 1: was staring at him, And it turned out his ex
Speaker 1: girlfriend had an exhibition across the street and it featured
Speaker 1: a huge painting of him during his free love days naked,
Speaker 1: and it was on display, and I guess everyone from
Speaker 1: his job had gone to see the art exhibit and
Speaker 1: then was looking at him. Weird, such a strange story,
Speaker 1: and Finn goes serves you right for posing nude, and
Speaker 1: Munch is like, oh, come on, you must have some
Speaker 1: innermost secret and Finn goes Deadpam, I'm a Republican, And
Speaker 1: I mean this was many years.
Speaker 3: I feel like before Republican was a full slur that
Speaker 3: it is today.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I believe it, Like do
Speaker 1: you think he's kidding or do you think he is?
Speaker 2: This is so tough because obviously, like there's no fucking
Speaker 2: way you know he voted for Like I see Finn
Speaker 2: voting for Clinton, Mee and Gore. I just don't see fit.
Speaker 2: But I also you know, he's a contrarian. He likes,
Speaker 2: he likes to be what I'm trying to find an example.
Speaker 1: I do find it hard to imagine Finn clicking it
Speaker 1: for George W.
Speaker 3: Bush.
Speaker 2: But it's hard, I because but I see him being like,
Speaker 2: my money's mine, I don't want to pay time, you
Speaker 2: gotta do it. But he works in this industry, so
Speaker 2: he like knows the importance of social services and like community.
Speaker 2: So I'm just hoping it's a joke, but I could
Speaker 2: see it, you know, I could see him liking canvas owens.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely listening to her podcasts.
Speaker 3: So anyway, they find.
Speaker 2: Out that there's one hundred because remember he in that
Speaker 2: one episode where he was like, why are we helping
Speaker 2: immigrants when we have people here that need help?
Speaker 3: Like fuck that? Like I could see him wanting to
Speaker 3: build a wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he's a little bit like munch, why
Speaker 1: did you pose nude? Like, you know, or like he's
Speaker 1: a little bit like, yeah, you get what you deserve
Speaker 1: for posing naked. And it's like I never thought Finn
Speaker 1: was so he loves to go to strip clubs, you know,
Speaker 1: and think nudity. But you know what, everybody grows. This
Speaker 1: is his first season. Everybody learns and grows. Maybe they
Speaker 1: were trying to go somewhere with Finn that he also
Speaker 1: wore suits at this time, cuts to you know, leather
Speaker 1: jacket time in a few seasons. So Martie got one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two different responses to her ad, and
Speaker 1: she visited a lot of a lot of these places
Speaker 1: that are online, these chatrooms online have real life places
Speaker 1: where people can meet up.
Speaker 3: I guess they were.
Speaker 1: Saying, so a place She's called a lot is called
Speaker 1: Pleasure Partners, and they own a swingers club in Soho
Speaker 1: and I hope it's not in competition with the swing
Speaker 1: set from the episode Bombshell. Do they have a nightly
Speaker 1: buffet who knows? Munch is like, oh, are you an expert?
Speaker 1: And Craigan goes cold as ice and goes, I got
Speaker 1: that from the computer files, like he does. Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: stop fucking around. I don't go to swingers clubs. And
Speaker 1: so now they're at Flings, which is the name of
Speaker 1: the club, and it's a lot like there is not
Speaker 1: one man there that is not a white, pot bellied
Speaker 1: man with like a hairy chest, Like it is not
Speaker 1: a good looking clientele of the men. And then it's
Speaker 1: a lot of like women blondes in short silky red robes,
Speaker 1: just milling around. A guy walks up to Benson and
Speaker 1: Sabor and is like, oh, it's eighty five bucks for
Speaker 1: a couple, cash up front. Very the cash up front
Speaker 1: is very sexy. And you just hear a lot of
Speaker 1: generalized moaning in the background, and a woman.
Speaker 3: Tells Olivia, don't be nervous. We were all beginners.
Speaker 1: Once Stable goes we're still beginners and flashes his badge.
Speaker 1: It's all of his jokes are falling for me this episode.
Speaker 3: He is again only season two.
Speaker 1: We haven't fully Neil Behar's just getting his footing and
Speaker 1: getting getting stabler better lines.
Speaker 3: So they ask.
Speaker 1: About Marnie and they're like, oh, Marnie, she is not
Speaker 1: welcome here anymore, but they did not know that she
Speaker 1: was murdered. They break the news to them and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: she didn't follow the rules. She had a threesome with
Speaker 1: two married guys and she started an affair with one
Speaker 1: of them. And it turns out that one of the
Speaker 1: sex club's rules. This is so funny to me, Like
Speaker 1: this place that's like no rules, free love. But the
Speaker 1: one of the rules is that you have to preserve
Speaker 1: the primary relationship. So if you come in with a person,
Speaker 1: you can't like discover that you have better sexual compatibility
Speaker 1: with another person and like leave your original partner.
Speaker 2: That that'sha fucked up rule, The save rules for safety.
Speaker 3: What is this like Christian rule?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that's so marriage sacred and you stay together
Speaker 1: for the kids no matter what.
Speaker 3: Like that. It's the craziest sex club rule of all.
Speaker 3: How about a rule of no means no, like what the.
Speaker 1: F Yeah, So they expelled yeah, no phones, no pictures, confidentiality. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't know, we haven't seen their full constitution, but
Speaker 1: one of the laws is you got to stay with
Speaker 1: your partner. So they expelled Marnie and her guy when
Speaker 1: his wife is the one that told them about the affair.
Speaker 1: Who is the guy that she was having the affair
Speaker 1: with that got expelled with her? Byron Marx done done
Speaker 1: the doctor they talked to earlier, And then I don't
Speaker 1: remember which one of them said it, but one of
Speaker 1: them goes, guess the doctor was.
Speaker 3: In Again, we're not killing it with these.
Speaker 1: But now they've got Byron in interrogation and he says,
Speaker 1: she came on to me and I was into it
Speaker 1: until she dumped me. And as they're feeding him the
Speaker 1: version of the story they think happen like, you went
Speaker 1: over to her house, you wanted it, she wouldn't give
Speaker 1: it to you. Then this this guy's lawyer breezes in
Speaker 1: to shut shit down, and they're like, can your client
Speaker 1: consent to a blood test? And then the lawyer brings
Speaker 1: Byron into the corner and they whisper for a minute,
Speaker 1: and he goes, okay, client needs to clarify what he said,
Speaker 1: but we want to keep his.
Speaker 3: Wife out of it.
Speaker 1: They go, if you stop lying, and he's like, okay, great, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll stop lying.
Speaker 3: Leave my wife out of it.
Speaker 1: They met in a chat room, not at a place
Speaker 1: where a volunteer program for inner city kids, which is
Speaker 1: a wild stretch of a lie, and they hooked up
Speaker 1: at flings. She came on to him, it started an
Speaker 1: affair and they all went well until it got out
Speaker 1: of control. He goes, we were having sex every day,
Speaker 1: sometimes two to three times a day, at clubs, at hotels,
Speaker 1: in my office until we burned out and broke up.
Speaker 1: It was like we just used each other up and
Speaker 1: threw each other away. Martie called him that night at
Speaker 1: seven o'clock and said that she needed him. He shows
Speaker 1: up to her house. She's freaking out because she says,
Speaker 1: the student found her shit on the internet.
Speaker 3: Again. Why are you calling yourself, Marnie. You can always
Speaker 3: argue that it's not you.
Speaker 1: So he says, they had sex till eight thirty and
Speaker 1: when he left she was alive, and he goes, you
Speaker 1: don't understand. It's like being possessed. It's like an uncontrollable,
Speaker 1: overwhelming urge, and I have to satisfy it with sex,
Speaker 1: and then everything's fine until the next wave hits. He
Speaker 1: tells them that she usually took guys to the Majestic
Speaker 1: on Seventh Avenue, and if she needed a quick fix,
Speaker 1: she'd go to the club, and they're like, well, she
Speaker 1: was banned from flings, and she goes, no, there's another place.
Speaker 3: I went with her there once.
Speaker 1: It was like walking into hell and actually named because
Speaker 1: it is called Dante's Inferno.
Speaker 3: He didn't know she liked it so rough. Now we
Speaker 3: cut to the most wild.
Speaker 1: Police raid of a dark ass warehouse with red lighting
Speaker 1: and the silhouettes of naked bodies. Everyone's rushing to put
Speaker 1: clothes on. There's it feels like there's seventy five people
Speaker 1: in a room. I guess all fucking each other. I
Speaker 1: don't really know. They tell them that the TV crews
Speaker 1: are outside and we're looking for people who know Marnie,
Speaker 1: and then goes, though, I suspect you trade you. People
Speaker 1: trade fluids more than names. Anyone who recognizes her raised
Speaker 1: the hand that's not holding up your clothes. No one
Speaker 1: raises a hand, and they're like, all right, we'll say
Speaker 1: it again. If anyone tells us what they know, you
Speaker 1: get to go out the back door, and everyone else
Speaker 1: gets to go be on TV. And they're like, so
Speaker 1: who knows Marnie? And now almost every single person raises
Speaker 1: their hand. So now we're in interrogation and Craigan is
Speaker 1: talking to some guy who I guess is like the
Speaker 1: ring leader of Dante's Inferno. They don't really introduce him,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no one's getting hurt. And he says,
Speaker 1: Marty came in a couple times a week. She was
Speaker 1: good for business. She was as wild as they come.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't do by, but she'd do gang bang after
Speaker 1: gang bang. He says he never participated because he's an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: He can't be messing with the product. One guy, he says,
Speaker 1: took a special interest in Marnie. And so he goes
Speaker 1: out to the holding room where all of these people
Speaker 1: from the orgy are hanging out, and he goes, it's
Speaker 1: that guy. And he points out this guy with a
Speaker 1: light bulb head and he brings him into interrogation and
Speaker 1: he's like, am I charged with something? And Stabler goes
Speaker 1: adultery and the guy stops talking and I'm like, was
Speaker 1: that still was adultery illegal in two thousand and one?
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I did not take the time
Speaker 1: to look it up. His name is Philip Montrose, and
Speaker 1: they asked him about Marnie and he says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that school teacher that died in the paper. I read
Speaker 1: about it in the paper. And they're like, cut the
Speaker 1: shit or we do this in Wrikers and he's like, uh, okay,
Speaker 1: I saw her picture.
Speaker 3: She looked hot.
Speaker 1: I emailed her like. He immediately is like, I think
Speaker 1: I saw a picture.
Speaker 3: Of that girl in the paper. And then he's like,
Speaker 3: all right, we fucked. He says.
Speaker 1: She invited him to meet her at the Majestic. They
Speaker 1: hooked up, and then the next night she goes meet
Speaker 1: me at Dante's. He thought it was a restaurant and
Speaker 1: asked what was on the menu, and she ordered for
Speaker 1: both of us sex with me and four other guys.
Speaker 1: He says, the place is an amusement park and she
Speaker 1: was my favorite ride. And then Benson goes or one
Speaker 1: of the sorry, one of them goes a rough ride
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, she liked it that way, and
Speaker 1: so did I.
Speaker 3: On Sunday night.
Speaker 1: He says he was at his in laws trying to
Speaker 1: reconnect with his wife and two kids because they're separated
Speaker 1: at their death. Now the gang is burning the Midnight
Speaker 1: Oil Byron Marks as Alibi checks out he's not a killer,
Speaker 1: he's just a perv, which is like Finn proving the
Speaker 1: entire point of the episode, which is like, this guy
Speaker 1: has clearly explained to you that this is like a
Speaker 1: compulsion he can't control, and you're like just a pervert,
Speaker 1: and Munch is arguing that this is a victimless crime,
Speaker 1: and Finn's like, unless you're Marnie, and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: her problem isn't that she had group sex, is that
Speaker 1: she couldn't stop, And Munch is arguing that these are
Speaker 1: just normal people, consenting adults who like to get sweaty
Speaker 1: in a dimly lit warehouse and nobody gets hurt.
Speaker 3: So then these two.
Speaker 1: Start bickering and Daddy Craigan comes in to break it
Speaker 1: up and says, last time I checked, this was Special
Speaker 1: Victims Unit and not the sex police, which is hilarious
Speaker 1: because that's what everyone else calls them. They're always like,
Speaker 1: oh here comes the sex police, you know, or the
Speaker 1: panty Police live pipes in that Philip Montrose was arrested
Speaker 1: for criminal trespassing in Connecticut a couple months ago, and
Speaker 1: that the Stamford police, where I have lived before, booked
Speaker 1: this guy for stalking again.
Speaker 3: I guess they were told.
Speaker 1: That Philip Montrose left Dante's because she wasn't there the death,
Speaker 1: but he did go to her memorial service. Stabler holds
Speaker 1: up a picture and they're like, was it to pay
Speaker 1: his respects or stalk her to the grave. So now
Speaker 1: the cops are talking to Montrose again and he's like,
Speaker 1: so what I went to the service?
Speaker 3: Had We had a great time together.
Speaker 1: I'm going to miss her, And he says the Connecticut
Speaker 1: thing was a misunderstanding, and Stabler points out most stalkers
Speaker 1: only stop when they've found another target, and he's like,
Speaker 1: she wasn't only my favorite ride. She fucked every guy
Speaker 1: in that place. I'm sure a lot of people loved
Speaker 1: like hooking up with her. And they go, well, we
Speaker 1: checked on your alibi and your wife hasn't seen you
Speaker 1: or your child support in three weeks. Why would you
Speaker 1: give the cops a fake alibi? And he goes, She'll
Speaker 1: say anything to get back at me, and then he
Speaker 1: gets back to work because they're like at his workplace
Speaker 1: or like supervising a construction site or something. Benson remembers
Speaker 1: that Ethan told them someone at the building told him
Speaker 1: a woman was murdered, and maybe that was Montrose.
Speaker 3: This is a wild stretch in the plot.
Speaker 1: At the high school, they're showing a picture to a
Speaker 1: security guard at the school and he goes, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: booted that guy from here twice. The other day he
Speaker 1: claimed he needed to use the restroom. Who pops into
Speaker 1: a high school to use the restroom? Like the guy goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: go to the restaurant across the street, weirdo. And then
Speaker 1: he came back thirty minutes later and he saw him
Speaker 1: trying to try the gym door. So they're all discussing
Speaker 1: it and they're like, Marnie might still be alive if
Speaker 1: she just called the cops. But then her secret gets
Speaker 1: out and her career is over. She was afraid of
Speaker 1: being judged, and she was right. I mean, the cops
Speaker 1: themselves are judging her. They show the picture to Ethan
Speaker 1: of Philip Montrose and he goes, oh, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: guy in the crowd who told me that Marnie was murdered.
Speaker 1: So they knock on his apartment door with a warrant
Speaker 1: for a search and a warrant for his blood, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm calling my lawyer. But then Finn finds
Speaker 1: his stocker scrap book, lots of pictures of Marnie with
Speaker 1: a telephoto lens, and Philip has like a busted like
Speaker 1: look on his face. Now we're at Riker's, the lawyers
Speaker 1: arguing with Cabot that the scrap book proves nothing.
Speaker 3: Cabot's like, Lol, your guy looks like a freak. It
Speaker 3: proves something, It proves something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Cabot's like, this is actually just gonna make
Speaker 1: my case stronger. And the lawyer like, Marti makes Casanova
Speaker 1: look cellibate this and they're like, this doesn't look good
Speaker 1: for him. The scrap book other victims of stalking, witnesses
Speaker 1: that put him at her apartment the morning after her death.
Speaker 1: You know, so we cut the cord. It's a grand
Speaker 1: jury hearing and Ethan is testifying about his run in
Speaker 1: with Montrose outside of Marnie's apartment building that morning. He
Speaker 1: says that this guy told her a woman had.
Speaker 3: Been raped and murdered.
Speaker 1: A teacher, and I think actually says raped and strangled,
Speaker 1: because that's like an extra the cause of death is
Speaker 1: like an extra detail. Cabot points out that Philip Montrose
Speaker 1: revealed the detail of the crime that only the police
Speaker 1: or the killer himself would know. And then a man
Speaker 1: walks in while Cabot is talking to the grand jury
Speaker 1: and whispers into her ear, and then.
Speaker 3: She excuses herself.
Speaker 1: Outside Montrose is with his lawyer, who says Montross wants
Speaker 1: to make a statement to the grand jury. And this
Speaker 1: guy who's playing his lawyer is Jeff McCarthy, who's playing
Speaker 1: attorney Math defends attorney Matthews and he looks familiar, but
Speaker 1: I looked him up and it's nothing I've seen.
Speaker 3: We take it to Petrovski.
Speaker 1: Petrovski's chambers are like the red table talk of the
Speaker 1: SVU universe, like, bring it to the red table. So
Speaker 1: we go to Petrovsky's chambers and Cabot's like, notice was
Speaker 1: not giving an in a timely manner that he wants
Speaker 1: to testify. He declined testifying yesterday, and the lawyer's like, well,
Speaker 1: he changed his mind, and he argues that his client
Speaker 1: has the right to speak before the jury has voted.
Speaker 1: Cabot goes, he's going to poison the jury with her
Speaker 1: sexual history, and Petrovsky says, I'm about to call the
Speaker 1: disciplinary committee on your ass, mister Matthews, and then he goes,
Speaker 1: if you deny my client his rights and he's indicted,
Speaker 1: I will move for dismissal and Petrovsky's like and then
Speaker 1: I will have to grant it and Cabot will have
Speaker 1: to retry the whole case. I don't like it any
Speaker 1: more than you do, Alex, but you can get him
Speaker 1: on cross He's a sitting duck because his lawyer is
Speaker 1: not allowed to object. This is grand jury, it's different
Speaker 1: than regular you know, cross examination. So Montrose is on
Speaker 1: the stand talking about how he met Marnie and then
Speaker 1: their subsequent hangout at Dante's on the night of her murder.
Speaker 1: He says, Marti came to my apartment. She was upset
Speaker 1: because of the kid who found the Internet ad. He
Speaker 1: asked her to have sex. She was insatiable. He says
Speaker 1: he did not kill her. He says he lied to
Speaker 1: police because of his bitter divorce and doesn't want to
Speaker 1: give his you know, ex ammunition. He alleges that Marnie
Speaker 1: loved the photos from the stalker scrap book, that they
Speaker 1: really excited her, and she goes. Cabbot goes, you told
Speaker 1: police she was your favorite ride and he's like, yep,
Speaker 1: and he says the only reason he knew she had
Speaker 1: been strangled and raped is because someone else at the
Speaker 1: crime scene told him about that, Like, how do you
Speaker 1: think I found out someone else told me? It was
Speaker 1: just a little game of telephone. Such a coincidence. They're like,
Speaker 1: you followed her to her school, you followed her to
Speaker 1: her home. You were jealous because she was having sex
Speaker 1: with someone else, and he goes, you think I care
Speaker 1: about that slut? You have to care about someone to
Speaker 1: be jealous. She was a whore, and he says she
Speaker 1: was asking for this to happen. She needed a fix
Speaker 1: and who knows who she picked up on the way
Speaker 1: home from his apartment. Cabot's like, she needed a fix.
Speaker 1: You stalked a woman in Connecticut and now Marnie's dead.
Speaker 3: What about your fix?
Speaker 1: And then they kind of focused in on him and
Speaker 1: he looks guilty as hell and silent. Cabot goes to
Speaker 1: talk to Craigan and she says that don't just put
Speaker 1: Marney's sex life on trial, and Craigan goes, yeah, law
Speaker 1: isn't always about justice, and she goes, who let you
Speaker 1: in on our dirty little secret? And Craigan goes all
Speaker 1: the Marnies who came before. So Cabot's like, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna beat this fuck and Craigan's like, I don't know, girl,
Speaker 1: I think you're killing it. And i'd tell you're ass
Speaker 1: if you were fucking up. So cut to the results
Speaker 1: getting handed to Cabot in court. There is an indictment.
Speaker 1: That's good news, but it's not murder too, it's manslaughter one.
Speaker 1: The jury just couldn't get past her sex life, it seems.
Speaker 1: So he won't get life, but he'll get fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty five to sit around and think about what he's done.
Speaker 3: She goes, I'll take that, say lair.
Speaker 1: Benson look bummed, and they walk away, and then Cabot
Speaker 1: walks away and then that's dick wolf baby.
Speaker 3: What enough of the ending? I don't love the ending.
Speaker 1: I know I want to see the guy like get
Speaker 1: hauled off to jail, truly, yeah.
Speaker 2: I do, but god, it's like, let's deserve to live too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't understand. It's like, cause you fuck you can't
Speaker 2: live like you're dead. It makes I just I don't
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: Call me new fashioned, but yeah, well this country is
Speaker 1: built on puritanical you know, spirits, so that's that's part
Speaker 1: of it. But like she also wasn't I mean, like, yes,
Speaker 1: let's deserve to live, but she also had an addiction,
Speaker 1: you know, like she had a problem.
Speaker 3: So it's like I do like that.
Speaker 1: This show in season two in two thousand and one
Speaker 1: is like trying to bring up sex addiction as like,
Speaker 1: you know, a thing that people shouldn't be shamed for.
Speaker 3: It's pretty progressive for them. I've never seen that on
Speaker 3: another show.
Speaker 1: Well, Lisa, I don't know anything about the crimes that
Speaker 1: this is based on, So excited for your portion of
Speaker 1: the program.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back. Okay.
Speaker 2: So, sadly this is based on two dead teachers, both
Speaker 2: teaching in the Bronx.
Speaker 3: So that's pretty wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really close to the episode, I would say,
Speaker 2: and the crimes are really close to each other, even
Speaker 2: if they span you know, decades of time. So the
Speaker 2: first case is based on a woman named Roseanne Quinn,
Speaker 2: and she was a twenty eight year old teacher, and
Speaker 2: she taught at a school for deaf children, and the
Speaker 2: principal of the school, Francis Wilkins, he said that Roseanne
Speaker 2: was very warm, outgoing person, and the children loved her
Speaker 2: and she always made everything so interesting for them and
Speaker 2: so alive.
Speaker 3: She grew up in Jersey.
Speaker 2: Both her parents worked at Bell laboratories, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of normal life, and she was very dedicated to her
Speaker 2: work and would often bring breakfast to her students because
Speaker 2: she was like a lot of them have to travel
Speaker 2: so far to be here, they wake up too early,
Speaker 2: they don't get breakfast, and so she was just like
Speaker 2: really caring, would bring kids breakfast.
Speaker 3: And a lot of the articles are from.
Speaker 2: The seventies because this is when it happened, and it
Speaker 2: is such old timey language. Like the Times said she
Speaker 2: had no regular boyfriend, but she was the type of
Speaker 2: girl who would have a guy and if he brought
Speaker 2: her home, Like that's such a language from a different time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's basically like if a guy walked her home, she's
Speaker 2: bringing him in the fuck.
Speaker 3: But in this weird way there is.
Speaker 2: There was a huge article that came out after this
Speaker 2: because there was a string of crimes, and like New
Speaker 2: York was dangerous for single women, and it was like
Speaker 2: there was a lot of discussions of should single women
Speaker 2: live alone in the city, what neighborhood should they live in?
Speaker 3: You're asking for it. There was just a lot of.
Speaker 2: Commotion over her being single and like going to bars.
Speaker 2: Another old timey thing that was written in the paper
Speaker 2: said this, this set in motion an intense police effort
Speaker 2: involving more than thirty detectives to find a clue to
Speaker 2: the killer somewhere amid the numerous yet fragmented activity of
Speaker 2: an attractive single woman living in the interracial world of
Speaker 2: the West Side.
Speaker 3: It's it's reading.
Speaker 2: Seventies, Like I don't know, it's just not how we
Speaker 2: speaker write or like articles.
Speaker 3: Don't sound like that anymore.
Speaker 1: So just but this is interesting, Like they kind of
Speaker 1: touch on this in mad Men when Peggy and I
Speaker 1: don't think you watch mad Men, but Peggy moves in
Speaker 1: like to the Upper West Side by herself in like
Speaker 1: the late sixties, early seventies, and it's like, what Peggy like,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So sadly she was found on New Year's Day, January
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three in her upper west side apartment and
Speaker 2: the body was found after the school, Saint Joseph's School
Speaker 2: for the Deaf in the Bronx, became alarmed because she
Speaker 2: didn't come back to work after Christmas recess, so she
Speaker 2: missed two days of like January classes, and so it
Speaker 2: took a bit of time because like the murder happened,
Speaker 2: the break had to come back. The teachers had to notice,
Speaker 2: and then they contacted someone and colleague from the school
Speaker 2: went to her building and the superintendent of the building
Speaker 2: opened the door to her apartment. And this was a
Speaker 2: and this is another thing that was strange. Every article
Speaker 2: described her apartment differently. So some said studio apartment, so
Speaker 2: it said efficiency apartment, and then some set a two
Speaker 2: room apartment.
Speaker 3: And it's like, either way, who gives a shit.
Speaker 2: It's her apartment, and who cares if it's small or
Speaker 2: big or how small it is. But it was on
Speaker 2: seventy second Street, and so she was at two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty third West seventy second Street, and that was
Speaker 2: right around the corner from a brownstone where in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy one, Patrese Leary, a twenty two year old private
Speaker 2: school teacher, was found bludgeoned to death in her apartment,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, and also in Roseanne's apartment building.
Speaker 2: Six months earlier of Quinn's murder, a drug dealer who
Speaker 2: lived in the building was killed in the building. So
Speaker 2: it's definitely not the Upper West Side that we know about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like a beautiful neighborhood today, Like this
Speaker 1: would be like really coveted place to live.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure Columbia College was still there, right, Like
Speaker 2: Columbia is an old school.
Speaker 1: Now, but Columbia is up at like one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty fifth. Yeah, So but like this is I've seen
Speaker 1: movies about this area in the seventies.
Speaker 3: It was not good.
Speaker 2: So there was a delay in the crime being reported
Speaker 2: because the local precinct failed to notify the Central Police
Speaker 2: Commissions of the murder. So the first article that came
Speaker 2: out was January fifth. So the details of the crime
Speaker 2: were that she was a knife to death and then
Speaker 2: stabbed fourteen times, and on January fifth it was reported
Speaker 2: that she was sexually assaulted and raped, But on January sixth,
Speaker 2: The Times then reported that the chief medical Examiner, John F. Fury,
Speaker 2: said there was no signs of forcible rape. She did
Speaker 2: have sexual relations within the twenty four hours of her death,
Speaker 2: but there was no external or internal signs of force
Speaker 2: or brutality, So I don't really know what No one
Speaker 2: really knows what happened that night. Also, and I don't
Speaker 2: really fully under stand this. There was a hollow sculpture
Speaker 2: bust of a woman had been placed on her face.
Speaker 1: What right, that's fucking crazy. But do you think it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where the person like couldn't look
Speaker 1: at what they'd done, so they like covered it up
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's SVU pop psychology. And there were as bruises on
Speaker 2: her face. The apartment was described as but blood spattered
Speaker 2: by the DA Frank S. Hogan at a news conference,
Speaker 2: and at first the police thought it stemmed from an argument,
Speaker 2: but they really had no leads, so they talked to
Speaker 2: about twenty five of Quinn's friends and then close to
Speaker 2: one hundred people in the area. Ten detectives went out
Speaker 2: into the neighborhood and just talk to everybody. She lived
Speaker 2: near a notorious drug park called Needle Park.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I know where this is because one of
Speaker 1: the movies that I'm talking about was called panic in
Speaker 1: Needle Park and Jared made me watch it. It's some
Speaker 1: old seventies movie and it's literally it's barely even a
Speaker 1: park now. It's like a subway station, right and if
Speaker 1: you ever get off the two three train at seventy
Speaker 1: second Street, that's Needle Park right there. Now it's like
Speaker 1: flowers and like I've eaten Lavne cookies sitting there. It's
Speaker 1: like a lovely little place. But like that's a needle park.
Speaker 1: It's a very tiny like area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, yes, seventy second train stop.
Speaker 1: I think it's like the Trader Joe's is there, exactly
Speaker 1: fair exactly exactly. There's a north Face store. Like it's
Speaker 1: so nice, like nice meaning not needle Park.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the original suspects was a man who just
Speaker 2: the year before pled guilty to assaulting Quinn and spent
Speaker 2: several months in jail for that crime. But then the
Speaker 2: police received a tip and the man who contacted them
Speaker 2: was a friend of the suspect, John Wayne Wilson. John
Speaker 2: Wayne not a great name for killers, okay. So, and
Speaker 2: this person who called said that Wilson and Quinn were
Speaker 2: at a singles bar called w M. Tweeds and that
Speaker 2: was right across the street from her apartment, and she
Speaker 2: was a regular at the bar. And since so this
Speaker 2: guy was with Wilson at the bar the same night,
Speaker 2: so they so there was a sketch. There was a
Speaker 2: composite sketch made of a man as a material witness
Speaker 2: because someone, you know, people at the bar were.
Speaker 3: Like, she was with these two guys, and so he.
Speaker 2: Recognized himself in one of the sketches, and so he
Speaker 2: contacted the cops.
Speaker 3: He is smart well, and not just the cops.
Speaker 2: He first contacted a lawyer and then the lawyer contacted
Speaker 2: the cops. So he is very smart and he listens
Speaker 2: to what we say. And so, yeah, it was her
Speaker 2: usual bar. She would come in for a glass of
Speaker 2: wine and she talked to two men around eleven PM.
Speaker 2: And that's when the witness went home and he left
Speaker 2: and the other two stayed together.
Speaker 3: And so then they left together and they went to
Speaker 3: Quinn's apartment.
Speaker 2: And what is so wild is while the cops were
Speaker 2: sitting with the material witness talking about him in his apartment,
Speaker 2: the killer fucking called him. So they got his location
Speaker 2: in information because he ended up calling exactly when the
Speaker 2: cops were there. And so they caught John Wayne Wilson,
Speaker 2: who was an Indiana drifter. They arrested him in Indianapolis
Speaker 2: less than a week later, and that was reported on
Speaker 2: January tenth, nineteen seventy three. He had no known address
Speaker 2: or occupation and was sleeping at his younger brother's apartment
Speaker 2: at nine am when they arrested him. Detective John Lafferty
Speaker 2: and Patrick Toomey knocked on the door and just got
Speaker 2: his ass.
Speaker 3: He did not resist.
Speaker 2: He also had five arrests in southern Florida since nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine for disorderly conduct, loitering, and illegal entry in larceny.
Speaker 2: He was also arrested on larceny charges in Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 2: He was serving a one year sentence in Miami for
Speaker 2: illegal entry in larceny when he escaped from prison on
Speaker 2: July sixth, and then he really stayed out.
Speaker 3: For a while. Obviously.
Speaker 2: The lawyer for Wilson set up an insanity defense for
Speaker 2: the case. He was held for five months under murder
Speaker 2: charges and then he hung himself in his jail cell
Speaker 2: at twenty three years old, and the jail said he
Speaker 2: wasn't on suicide watch because that floor was overcrowded.
Speaker 1: So well, I want to say one thing, which is that, wow,
Speaker 1: they cops got him so quickly, like one week is
Speaker 1: like really or I mean, you know, ten days from
Speaker 1: the time she was killed, but like then she wasn't
Speaker 1: found or whatever. But then also motive just crazy, Like
Speaker 1: what I mean, It's like she took him home, they
Speaker 1: were just going to hook up, and then he just
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna stab you to death.
Speaker 2: No one knows, I mean, no one knows, like the
Speaker 2: you know, the cops did mention that it seemed like
Speaker 2: it stepped out of an argument, but that's probably just
Speaker 2: because of like the physical violence of it and the
Speaker 2: fourteen stabbings.
Speaker 3: That's not like a chill stick.
Speaker 2: Right right, brus is on the face like did he
Speaker 2: did she say something that it made him wild? Was
Speaker 2: he on drugs? Was he drinking? Like I have no
Speaker 2: idea when.
Speaker 1: They tried to go insanity defense, so I guess it's
Speaker 1: possible there just wasn't a motive at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's a career criminal and escaped from prison
Speaker 2: and why was no one looking for him?
Speaker 3: He was he is? That was that's a long escape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the seventh he was escaped for seven months and.
Speaker 3: Maybe because it's a cross state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is really sad, and that there's no information
Speaker 2: and that Yeah, it it's grucive. It's scary, and we
Speaker 2: say this a lot on this podcast. But it's like
Speaker 2: one wrong person. Yeah, and you're and that's it, like
Speaker 2: you know, it is her regular bar hanging out with dude.
Speaker 3: It's like so fucking scary and sad.
Speaker 2: So this the next case is about Jonathan Levin, and
Speaker 2: he's another Bronx teacher, like I said, who was murdered
Speaker 2: in you know, his Upper West Side apartment. Jesus right,
Speaker 2: And he was the son of the chairman of Time Warner,
Speaker 2: Gerald M.
Speaker 3: Levin and Kara.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Levin actually went to Trinity College.
Speaker 3: What yes, a fellow Bantam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in nineteen eighty eight he graduated with an
Speaker 2: English and psychology degree.
Speaker 1: I wonder if I ever had any of the same teachers, Like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if he got a teacher really young that
Speaker 1: then was like old when I had them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be that'd be crazy. Wow, because I was
Speaker 3: an English major too. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he did English and psych and then Jonathan chose
Speaker 2: to be an English teacher.
Speaker 3: At William Howard Taft High School.
Speaker 2: So the kids liked him and he was praised with
Speaker 2: having an unusual ability to raise their self esteem. Corey
Speaker 2: Arthur was a student in Levin's class in his English
Speaker 2: class at the Taft High School during nineteen ninety three
Speaker 2: and nineteen ninety four school year, and he really took
Speaker 2: him under his wing. So one time in nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: three he actually wrote his teacher a thank you note,
Speaker 2: calling him his true and only friend in the world.
Speaker 2: More excerpts from the letter said, you have shown me
Speaker 2: that it is all right to step in and help someone,
Speaker 2: and you've shown me not all people want to use
Speaker 2: and exploit me. The note ended with wherever I get
Speaker 2: in life, I owe it to you, and for that
Speaker 2: I am entirely grateful. I am lucky and most happy
Speaker 2: to call John Levin my friend.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: So May thirtieth, nineteen ninety seven, Corey Arthur went to
Speaker 2: Jonathan's apartment to rob him. And this is the student
Speaker 2: that wrote these letters that Jonathan took such interest in
Speaker 2: and was really putting a lot of time and effort
Speaker 2: into this person. And his wife said that he lived
Speaker 2: for these students, and he responded to Arthur's phone call
Speaker 2: that night. Because of his selfless nature, he cared about
Speaker 2: his students. So he got a voicemail from Corey Arthur
Speaker 2: and it was played in court this voicemail. And the
Speaker 2: voicemail came in at four fifty five pm and it said,
Speaker 2: mister Levin, this is Corey pick up if you're there.
Speaker 3: It's important.
Speaker 2: So Arthur and his accomplice mister Hart attacked Levin and
Speaker 2: tied him up with duct tape, then tortured him with
Speaker 2: a knife, including three cuts across his throat, and then
Speaker 2: shot him in the back of the fucking head by
Speaker 2: his student. And they wanted his bank code and withdrew
Speaker 2: eight hundred dollars at five point fifteen pm.
Speaker 3: And so he died at age thirty one years old.
Speaker 2: And this guy's fucking rich, like he comes from Time
Speaker 2: Warner chairman money. If you wanted money, he would have
Speaker 2: given you money. Like, yeah, you had to murder him.
Speaker 2: You could have threatened him and legit. They think that
Speaker 2: Levin was alive in between, so they think that there
Speaker 2: was like stabbing, the tying up, the torturing. Then they
Speaker 2: went to use the bank card. Then they came back
Speaker 2: and shot him in the head and then stabbed him
Speaker 2: in the chest. Police say, and this brings up like
Speaker 2: there was another you know, as much as with the
Speaker 2: Rosannequin case. A lot of articles started coming out, but
Speaker 2: like single women and how safe are they? And then
Speaker 2: this was a situation where there was a lot of
Speaker 2: think pieces about how accessible teachers should be to their
Speaker 2: students outside of school, and it turned Levin into a
Speaker 2: symbol of public service. Police released a photo of Arthur
Speaker 2: and an offer of an eleven thousand dollars reward, and
Speaker 2: this led to a call that gave up the location
Speaker 2: of Corey. In court, the defense tried to spin a
Speaker 2: drug storyline about Levin and that Arthur was there at
Speaker 2: his apartment that night because of drugs, but an autopsy
Speaker 2: found that mister Levin had absolutely no drugs in his body,
Speaker 2: and that the two remained close, and that Corey would
Speaker 2: never have killed his former teacher.
Speaker 3: This is the defense. They're like, absolutely, he would not
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: They argue that the cuts on Arthur had occurred when
Speaker 2: he tried to stop the accomplice from stabbing him, and
Speaker 2: that this accomplice did everything. Prosecutors, however, said that Arthur
Speaker 2: and Levin had grown apart by May thirtieth, nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: that the former student took advantage of him to gain
Speaker 2: entrance into his apartment, and the prosecution pushed that he
Speaker 2: was actually the leader of the two. His fingerprints were
Speaker 2: found on the roll of duct tape and his DNA
Speaker 2: was found on the knife used to torture him. Blood
Speaker 2: from Levin was found on Arthur's clothes. The gun that
Speaker 2: killed him was never recovered. They also argue that he
Speaker 2: would have had the most motivation to kill him since
Speaker 2: Levin would recognize him, so it could have been a
Speaker 2: situation where maybe it was just supposed to be a
Speaker 2: robbing and then he's like, fuck, I don't want to
Speaker 2: go to jail, so let me murder my mentor so.
Speaker 2: November tenth, nineteen ninety eight, Levin's nineteen year old former
Speaker 2: student was convicted of second degree murder.
Speaker 3: The jury acquitted him for first.
Speaker 2: Degree murder, but they did get second degree.
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I know his family was really upset why it wasn't
Speaker 2: first degree murder, but yeah, obvious they couldn't prove it.
Speaker 2: The difference is like, so murder one is automatic like life,
Speaker 2: and then murder two is twenty five to life, so
Speaker 2: it's still a hefty sentence. The jury deliberated for eleven
Speaker 2: hours over two days, but they rejected the testimony of
Speaker 2: the prosecution's lead witness, Carly Thea Weeks. The Weeks was
Speaker 2: Arthur's former girlfriend, and she testified that he confessed the
Speaker 2: killing to her, but the defense was like, oh, she
Speaker 2: has a history of hearing voices and she's a looney
Speaker 2: tune and so they didn't really take her seriously, which,
Speaker 2: you know, we don't know, we don't know anything.
Speaker 3: So basically, the.
Speaker 2: Jury ruled that prosecutors proved that Arthur and the twenty
Speaker 2: six year old code defendant, I'm not sure to say
Speaker 2: his first name, it's mo ou n t o u
Speaker 2: n so mount muntoon montun mountain t Heart, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call him Hart, that was the code defendant. So basically,
Speaker 2: the jury ruled that the prosecutors proved that Arthur an
Speaker 2: Heart committed a crime that resulted in Levin's death, but
Speaker 2: could not prove that mister Arthur personally killed him. So
Speaker 2: torturing him until he gave his bank code and robbing
Speaker 2: him happened, and that led to the death, but shooting
Speaker 2: someone in the back of the head, Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: I really don't understand this jury. Arthur was also convicted
Speaker 2: of two counts of armed robbery. When the verdict was
Speaker 2: read out loud, he shook his head and muttered to
Speaker 2: himself while everyone cheered and a few sobs from like
Speaker 2: a friend of the accused. Also, his mother sat motionless
Speaker 2: and his girlfriend did bust out. Weeping Heart was tried
Speaker 2: separately for second degree murder charges. He was acquitted by
Speaker 2: a sympathetic jury, so he was acquitted for the torturing,
Speaker 2: the stabbing, the shooting, all of it. The jury decided
Speaker 2: that he was too wasted to trust the eleven page
Speaker 2: confession he signed during an NYPD interrogation. The photo taken
Speaker 2: hours into his interrogation. He looked so fucked up that
Speaker 2: that photo is the clincher of why they did not
Speaker 2: believe the confession, because he was like high as hell
Speaker 2: and drunk. He said he's had four forty's a pint
Speaker 2: of kognak, smoked two huge marijuana cigarettes.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna assume they were blunts and the.
Speaker 2: So that happened the night like the cops arrested him.
Speaker 2: He was so fucked up that they made him sign
Speaker 2: something that he was not lucid enough to that this
Speaker 2: is the jury. And there was no evidence for Heart
Speaker 2: like there was for Arthur. There was no hair, no fingerprints,
Speaker 2: no DNA trace like, there was nothing that linked Heart.
Speaker 3: To the case, to the scene.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so the Heart update that I have about him
Speaker 2: is from the New York Daily News, not the Times.
Speaker 2: So like, I don't know, I don't know. Do we
Speaker 2: respect the Daily News? I think I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: So basically, he's adamant about his innocence, but even after
Speaker 2: that not guilty verdict, he's stuck to a life of crime.
Speaker 3: So he had been.
Speaker 2: Arrested numerous numerous times and charges like criminals sale of
Speaker 2: a controlled substance, narcotics possession, possession of a defaced machine
Speaker 2: gun in nineteen ninety nine, and then he also drove
Speaker 2: on a suspended license in twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: Then he was part of a giant year long investigation
Speaker 2: Joint Investigation very SVU the NYPD in the Brooklyn DA's
Speaker 2: office basically revealed he was selling guns in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: His phone was.
Speaker 2: Taped after they got a tip about him, and two
Speaker 2: undercovers spend months posing as clients who wanted to buy guns.
Speaker 2: Wow yeah, And so they bought forty four weapons from him,
Speaker 2: and he was ordered to be held without bail on
Speaker 2: dozens of these charges. According to Inmate Lookup, he is
Speaker 2: still in custody for the criminal sale from firearms, which
Speaker 2: is a first class B felony and he got fifteen
Speaker 2: years and his earliest release date's going to be September fifth,
Speaker 2: twenty thirty three. Now, Arthur was eligible to go in
Speaker 2: front of the review board in twenty twenty two for parole,
Speaker 2: but according to the New York Inmate lock Up, he
Speaker 2: is still in prison and the earliest release date and
Speaker 2: parole interview that he's going to have is February twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. And that status was updated right when I
Speaker 2: was researching, so it's like as of September twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: that's the status of where he is. And then the
Speaker 2: Jonathan Levin Foundation was a nonprofit organizer.
Speaker 3: Zation was established.
Speaker 2: After the murder and it created a new media center
Speaker 2: and athletic field at Taftai School and then a nearby
Speaker 2: block was even renamed Jonathan Levin Way. The school, however,
Speaker 2: closed in two thousand and eight and then transformed into
Speaker 2: a bunch of small specialized schools to meet modern career needs,
Speaker 2: and that media school did eventually close in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: So that wow, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like so similar, so sad, so like I don't know
Speaker 2: if any murder, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's like mindless, like pointless. I don't know. It's sad. Yeah, fucked.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Teachers have it hard enough without getting murdered by their
Speaker 1: students or drifters from Indiana. All right, yeah really, bubber, well,
Speaker 1: thank you for doing all that research. Let's head into
Speaker 1: our post mortem since we don't have a guest today. Well,
Speaker 1: that was a wild episode. Uh post mortem? What are
Speaker 1: our thoughts? I guess yeah. I mean it is weird
Speaker 1: how sex addiction has not found its way into the
Speaker 1: public like empathy the way that other addictions have.
Speaker 3: No because people think about it.
Speaker 2: Because I do think that celebrity men who cheat use
Speaker 2: it as a lie. I do, yes, so sue me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm victim blaming, but I don't believe it. But because
Speaker 2: of that, we think of them and we don't think
Speaker 2: of real sex edition, which is like I did eat
Speaker 2: a candy.
Speaker 3: I ate the candy with the crinkles.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry it's stuck to my teeth.
Speaker 3: I thought it'd be smooth. It's stuck to my teeth.
Speaker 2: But so we think about that, but we don't think
Speaker 2: about the person who's just like jerking off fifteen times
Speaker 2: a day till everything's wraw. You know. Yeah, we're like
Speaker 2: going out and searching for gangbangs and bass so.
Speaker 3: But we don't, we don't really think about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's not a kink shame if you want
Speaker 1: a gang bang in a basement. But if you like,
Speaker 1: if it's affecting your life and you like absolutely have
Speaker 1: to have the gang bang in the basement or the
Speaker 1: nagging voice in your head won't leave you alone, that
Speaker 1: might be a different a different thing.
Speaker 2: But I think everybody knows that I am not against
Speaker 2: a gang bang basement. But people should read the book Choke.
Speaker 2: That's where I learned a lot. It's I don't I
Speaker 2: think I always say his name wrong, but I don't care.
Speaker 2: Chuck Polanik, who wrote Fight Club. His book Choke, Oh
Speaker 2: is about this guy who's a sex addict and he
Speaker 2: goes to meetings and I feel like I learned.
Speaker 3: I took it as truth.
Speaker 2: And then the movie is with Sam Rockwell and it's
Speaker 2: it's not like fight club work change of stuff. It
Speaker 2: is like seen by scene pretty much the book.
Speaker 1: Oh wow wait the movie is also called Choke.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and that was my foray and to sex it.
Speaker 2: It's all television shows. And then Joan Cusack dates a guy,
Speaker 2: the floutest, the fucking floutest dude that we had on
Speaker 2: our podcast. Anton Krasnikov, Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why Gowan, Zach McGowan. Yes, so he has He
Speaker 1: plays a character that is a.
Speaker 2: Sex addict too, and it gets awakened by Joan Cusack
Speaker 2: and he's just like the reason I said the gangbang
Speaker 2: is like he had like a big thing, a loube
Speaker 2: and he put down a tarp and he's like everyone's
Speaker 2: we gotta do it and she's like, I don't wanna.
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 3: He just became crazed in a way.
Speaker 2: And so those are my fictional God.
Speaker 1: We gotta get Joan Cusack on the fucking podcast once again.
Speaker 1: A plea to anyone that knows her personally, please let
Speaker 1: us know. Let's move on to our what would mister
Speaker 1: peg do for the week. That's our segment where we
Speaker 1: direct you to an organization, a blog post, an article,
Speaker 1: a book, something to give you more information about what
Speaker 1: we talked about today. I thought we could, you know,
Speaker 1: in an effort to you know, highlight sex addiction, point
Speaker 1: you guys to sex Addicts Anonymous. If you go to
Speaker 1: their website, you can find all kinds of resources, including
Speaker 1: self assessment tests to determine whether you suffer from sex addiction.
Speaker 1: They also provide paths to recovery and can steer people
Speaker 1: towards the closest SAA meetings and then so for more
Speaker 1: info on that, head to SAA dash recovery dot org. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's SAA dash Recovery dot org. And that will be
Speaker 1: in our highlights, our WWSPD highlight forever after we post
Speaker 1: it on our stories the day that this episode comes out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've had friends also with porn addiction. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably like hand in hand, so they probably
Speaker 1: can help you with that kind of thing as well.
Speaker 2: And guess what, I have a movie reference to discuss
Speaker 2: porn addiction. The movie Don John with Joseph Gordon Levitt. Oh,
Speaker 2: it was really good. It's Julianne Moore, Scarlett Johansson, Tony Danza,
Speaker 2: Brie Larsen. I'm forgetting hotels. Joseph Gordon Levitt is like
Speaker 2: so hot in that movie and he's it's dating Scarlet.
Speaker 2: No Hanson, who's so hot. But she's disgusted that he
Speaker 2: watches porn. Oh, she doesn't want to watch porn. She
Speaker 2: has other problems too.
Speaker 3: Wait.
Speaker 1: Your Tony Danza reference just met like reminded me that
Speaker 1: I've only watched like the first three episodes of End
Speaker 1: just like that, so I also have that to catch
Speaker 1: up on the worst, the worst TV show.
Speaker 3: I have to finish watching.
Speaker 2: It's just disgusting because it's so good, Like Sex and
Speaker 2: the City is just so good. I mean, everyone knows.
Speaker 2: Listen and guess what. We'll talk about it again next week,
Speaker 2: always and forever. Watch the episode Tortured, Season four, episode sixteen.
Speaker 2: If you know what's good for you, and if you
Speaker 2: want to like you know, you know, rate star all
Speaker 2: that stuff on the internet, you can, but we don't,
Speaker 2: you know, no pressure, so much pressure?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, send us.
Speaker 1: You could send us an email to it that's messed
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Speaker 3: Are you checking the email?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: The other day, I just checked the email and I
Speaker 1: responded to a ton of them. Wow, because you know what,
Speaker 1: I was in New York. I was in New York,
Speaker 1: and I responded to people. If you're if you know,
Speaker 1: you know you're one of the people that I just
Speaker 1: responded to you after nine months because I just hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten to.
Speaker 3: Check the email.
Speaker 1: And but there were other people that had written recently,
Speaker 1: so they got more prompt responses. And I just was
Speaker 1: on the subway in New York just banging out responses.
Speaker 3: I got to be away from my kids. That's the thing. Well,
Speaker 3: all right, guys, you next week. Thank you so much
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