1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stefan. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Never told you a prediction if I high rate you. 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: And for today's classic, we're going back a bit. 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 2: We're going back to like right when the pandemic was starting, 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: and I wanted to talk about this this is our 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: Birds of Prey episode because I was looking for it's 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: Disability Pride month, and as with a lot of these 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: intersections and marginalized communities, I was having a hard time 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: thinking of characters with disability that are women in media 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: that I knew, Like, I found examples, but I usually 11 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: like to at least have some knowledge, even if it's 12 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: not like something I watched all the way through or 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: something like, at least I kind of know what I'm 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: talking about. And one of the ones I kept thinking 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: of was Barbara Gordon aka Oracle, who's in the Birds 16 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: of Prey. So and I knew we'd already talked about her, 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: so I can't I don't want to do that again. 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: And we did. 19 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: We talked about some of the problematic aspects of her 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: portrayal as someone with the disability in this episode, so 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: I thought I would just bring it back. And also 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: Margot Robbie's everywhere right now, so I might as well just. 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 4: We're gonna talk about barbies. I guess. 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: I would love to, honestly, but I'm gonna We'll wait. 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 3: We'll wait on that one. 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, please enjoy this classic episode. 27 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: Hey, this is Annie. 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: And Samantha and welcome to steph Mo'll never told you 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: a protection of iHeartRadio's House Stuff Works. This episode was 30 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: inspired by the upcoming movie Birds of Prey and the 31 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: Fantabulous Emancipation of War and Harley Quinn, which is I 32 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: believe a pun not a pun. 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: It's a reference to Birdman and that. 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: Other long title of the for inteses, how is it? 35 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: I think so Birds of Trey, Birdman. 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: I mean that makes sense, right, And we haven't seen 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: the movie. 38 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 3: It could be terrible. For all we know. 39 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: It's not a sponsored episode, but we thought it'd be 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 2: cool to look into the comics of some of these characters. 41 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: And plus, it's been on my mind ever since we 42 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: did First Wives Club and we were singing you Don't 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: Own Me all the time. As I said in that episode, 44 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: I thought that was from Suicide Squad. 45 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 3: Foolishly, foolishly, very foolish. 46 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: It also does seem to have a lot of elements 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: that we discussed in our whole Women in Revenge right 48 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: episode right. 49 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 4: Also, the previews have come out a second long one. 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: Right. 51 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty intense. It's fantastic. 52 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Samantha and I saw it this weekend, saw trailer 53 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: for it this weekend and there were a lot of fines, 54 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 2: so we were like, yep, Revenge, Revenge. Do you have 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: any experience with DC? 56 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 5: So I watched a few way back in the day 57 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 5: aka Michael Keaton and all the Batman series on that level, 58 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 5: and a couple of episodes of the old TV show. 59 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 5: I do remember watching that with my great grandmother's house 60 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 5: or some weird thing. And I do enjoy the CW 61 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 5: series Flash and watch a bit of The Arrow. I 62 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 5: think it's fun and kitchen and easy going, Like there's 63 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 5: a little bit of sadness in it, and that's fine, 64 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 5: but it's like just enough that I can keep. 65 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: Going and not really worry about it. It's just kind 66 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 4: of cute show. 67 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: Okay. I've been meeting to check it out. 68 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: I have friends who are really big fans of both 69 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: of those shows, but I have never seen them. I 70 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: have seen a handful of the New movies, and when 71 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: I was growing up, I did watch the Batman cartoon 72 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: and Young Batman. 73 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: Well on the WV it was then the w OK. 74 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 5: Yeah I've gotten them to confused, really almost. 75 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: Like yeah, it was WV upn right, something else. 76 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: Very young channel. 77 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: It was my favorite. And speaking of small Ville, I 78 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: watched Smallville. Harley Quinn, the character, I mean, as long 79 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: as I can remember, always put me on edge. She 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: was just so unpredictable, right, and she's actually not really 81 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: a member of the Birds of Prey, which halfway explains 82 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: I guess that long title. The Birds of Prey and 83 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: Harley Quinn, she is usually their antagonist in fact, And 84 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: as I've said, I have seen the Christopher Nolan Batman 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: movies and I used to cosplay catwe from those movies 86 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: with two my friends going as Poison Ivy and Harley Winn. Yeah. Now, 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: I haven't seen all of Suicide Squad. I've seen bits 88 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 2: and pieces of it, I hear. My general impression is 89 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: it wasn't very good, but that the best part of 90 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: it was Margot Robbie's. 91 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: Harley Quinn and the amount of people. 92 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: Dressed as her at Comic Con that year certainly suggested 93 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: that was true. Her costume wasn't it anyway, which we're 94 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: going to talk about that more in a minute. She 95 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: is a fascinating, if not extreme problematic at times character. 96 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: Other than Margo Robbie, it stars Mary Elizabeth Winsaid, it's Huntress, 97 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: Rosie Perez's detective Renee Montoya Journey Smollett Bell as Black Canary, 98 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: and Jay Bosco as Cassandra Caine Slash maybe Batgirl. 99 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, haven't seen it again. 100 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: Wan McGregor plays the main antagonist, Black Mask. 101 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 5: Right, And for this new movie, Margot Robbie was pretty involved. 102 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 5: He was pitching an R rated girl gang film and 103 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 5: the first R rated movie in the DCX in a universe, 104 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 5: so that's a big note. The script was written by 105 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 5: Christina Hodson and directed by Kathy Yann, the first Asian 106 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 5: woman to direct a superhero movie. Woot woo, and it's 107 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 5: the first girl gang superhero movie. 108 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: Yes. 109 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: Juwan McGregor called it a feminist film that takes a 110 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: quote real look at misogyny. Misogynists and movies are oft 111 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: in extreme. They rape, they beat women, and is legitimate 112 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: to represent people like that because they exist and they 113 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: are obviously the worst. But in Birds of Prey dialogue 114 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: there is always a hint of everyday misogyny of those 115 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: things you say as a man you do not even 116 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: realize man's plaining, and it's in the script in a 117 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 2: very subtle way. I found that brilliant. So in response 118 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: to that, the Internet's already kind of freaking out, freaking out. Yeah, 119 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: Samantha and I ran into preemptive Oh. 120 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 4: That was hilarious. Yeah, definitely. 121 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 5: One guy just automatically put it out there that there's 122 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 5: gonna be no interest in this movie because we only 123 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 5: care and I say we as in the audience, only 124 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 5: care about superhero movies and comics due to the sexiness 125 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 5: of the women essentially, and these women were not sexy, 126 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 5: which in what world is Margo, Robbie and Journey Smollett Like, 127 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,119 Speaker 5: how are they not sexy? Like any of these women 128 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 5: are beyond it was sexy. Maybe they're not naked enough. 129 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 5: I don't know. Even their costumes though seemingly are pretty 130 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 5: skin tight. 131 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: So again, huh huh, yeah. 132 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: Is right. 133 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: A lot of people, angry, angry men, Internet men are 134 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: freaking out about already saying we don't want social commentary 135 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 2: in our movies. We don't want feminism in our superhero movies. 136 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 5: Right, We only care when the Joker has social commentary 137 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 5: about how women are awful and that white men are 138 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 5: being ignored all of a sudden, Yes, oh. 139 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: Good, yes, that's a social commentary they could give y right. 140 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 4: Right, and when oscars for I know. 141 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: I know, so I guess in some ways this. 142 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 4: Is doubly I'm sorry nominated for. 143 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: Yes, we don't know as of recording this. Okay, so 144 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: people are freaking out about it, and you know what's 145 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: gonna be hilarious slash sad if it really isn't feminist 146 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: at all, if there isn't like so. 147 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 5: Once again, once again, that's kind of how I felt 148 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 5: about Mad Max the remake, because yes, Charlie Sarn was 149 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 5: a very strong character at all, but I'm like, in 150 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 5: the end, she still had to have the main dude, 151 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 5: mad Max, help her. So it's kind of like it's 152 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 5: not like an all ending we just got rid of 153 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 5: all the men altogether, so it's kind of like the 154 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 5: way confused. 155 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 4: Why are you so upset? 156 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: That's generally my question, but maybe one day we'll have. 157 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 5: The Yeah, why are you so mad about this? Calm down, guys, 158 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 5: it's gonna be okay. 159 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: So let's get in to to the Birds of Prey 160 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: and kind of what they're all about. They are a 161 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: team of mostly female, mostly female crime fighters and superheroes. 162 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: An occasional man shows up and Jordans their ranks. The 163 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: team isn't always the same. People come and go. There's 164 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: Black Canary, Batgirl, Oracle Huntress, Katanap was an Ivy Lady, Blackhawk, 165 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: and Catwoman to name a few. There's a lot. As 166 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 2: the name suggests, the team is composed of women who 167 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: are excellent hunters and good at trapping and catching prey. 168 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: While they did face off against plenty of super villains, 169 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: they typically tackled more real world crime like terrorism, human trafficking, 170 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: and human rights abuses. I was reading some of these 171 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: for this they get dark dark. It is one of 172 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,479 Speaker 2: the few mainstream comic books as a focus on female friendships. 173 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 5: Right as far as comics go, Birds of Prey is 174 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 5: fairly recent, debuting in nineteen ninety six Birds of Prey, 175 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 5: Black Canary, Slash, Oracle, though they didn't get their own 176 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 5: book till nineteen ninety nine. The storyline was the brainchild 177 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 5: of Jordan B. Gorfinkel, and originally featured a partnership between 178 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 5: Dinah Lance slash Black Canary and Barbara Gordon slash Oracle 179 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: Slash formerly Batgirl. 180 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 4: And there the two mainstays. 181 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 5: Gordon had been shot by the Joker and was paralyzed 182 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 5: from the waist down, so she pivoted it to using 183 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 5: technology to fight crime with the help of Black Canary, 184 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 5: and while supportive of each other, the pair frequently clashed 185 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 5: idealistic Black Canary and realistic Oracle. However, the friendship remained 186 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 5: at the heart of the series throughout, no matter who 187 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 5: else joined their ranks. 188 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: It was originally written by Chuck Dixon, but beginning at 189 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: issue number fifty six, Gail Simone took over and she 190 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: continued to control it until issue one oh eight, which 191 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: was published in two thousand. In twenty eleven, the New 192 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: fifty two rebooted the series. This was kind of like 193 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: a big reboot of a bunch of their properties. It 194 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: rebooted the series, and from twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen, 195 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 2: Shauna and Julie Benson took over the run of Batgirl 196 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: and the Birds of Prey freechering primarily Batgirl, Slash Barbara Gordon, 197 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: Black Canary, and Huntress. They didn't start calling themselves birds 198 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: of Prey until six years after the story's conception, when 199 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: Lady black Hawk said in issue number eighty six, we 200 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: need a name. The Asian sing it's got no zing, 201 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: So what about being the Birds of Prey Canarian black Hawk. 202 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: That's easy and the name Hunters fits. Yeah, there you go, 203 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: There you go. When interviewed about Batgirl and the Birds 204 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: of Prey, SHAWNA. Benson said, we like women who are 205 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: sexy without being sexualized, because that's most women, and Julie 206 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: Benson said, yeah, and I think the other thing we 207 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: really didn't want to do was have a bunch of 208 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: catty girl fights. 209 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 3: That was the one note. 210 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: And our editors agree, the one thing we don't want 211 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: to do is have a bunch of bitchy fights. They're 212 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: going to have disagreements, They're going to respect each other, 213 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: though they just might go about things in a different way. 214 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 3: And there was a two thousand and two I think 215 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 3: it was. 216 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: The WB at that time, but maybe not TV show 217 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 2: pulling from the comics called Birds of Prey. I watched it, 218 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: but it was canceled after thirteen episodes. The thing I 219 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: remember most clearly about it is one episode had that 220 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: tattoo song in it that everyone was really into at 221 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: the time. It followed at Black Canary and she was 222 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: the daughter of the original Black Canary. In this Huntress 223 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 2: and Oracle, Harley Quinn was being set up to be 224 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: the antagonist of the series, but it was canceled before 225 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 2: anything was ever made of that storyline, and Laurie Laughlin 226 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: was in it. 227 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, forgot about that. Old days for her. 228 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 3: Huh old days for her? 229 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: Right rough. But speaking of Harley Quinn, we did want 230 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: to talk about her character a bit more, but first 231 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: we're gonna pause for a quick break for a word 232 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: from our. 233 00:11:54,280 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: Sponsor, and we're back. 234 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: Thank you. 235 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 3: Sponsor. 236 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: Harlene Quinsle aka Harley Quinn voiced by Arlene Sorkin in Batman, 237 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 2: the animated series, and that was the character's first appearance 238 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety two, so she's fairly new within two years, 239 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: though the fan response was such that the creators were 240 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: asked to make a single issue comic centering on her. 241 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: She was such a popular character she was added to 242 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: the comics, She appeared in video games. She appeared in 243 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: other TV shows and now in the movies. To this day, 244 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: she is a best selling character, so much so that 245 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: DC Entertainment called February twenty fifteen Harley Quinn Month. She 246 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: was introduced primarily as a sidekick through the Joker and 247 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: in full clown attire. She's unpredictable and sexual, especially in 248 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: her post gester outfit was kind of a corset thing. 249 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: She loves performance in the line between the real Harley 250 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: and the performance is a blurry one. 251 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: In some versions she's Jewish and in some versions she's queer. 252 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 5: Right. When it comes to the creation of Harlequin, Paul 253 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 5: Denny typically gets the credit, but many point to the 254 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 5: woman who first voiced her, Arlene Sorkin. She previously starred 255 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 5: on Days of Our Lives, where she served as the 256 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 5: comic relief. 257 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 4: I guess that's interesting. 258 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 5: In that soap opera, yea, she always was pitching ideas 259 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 5: and one day she pushed a dreamlike, fairy tale esque sequence. 260 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 5: The producer sprang for it. She played a juster in Rollerblades. 261 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 4: Uh huh, okay, yeah, I like that. 262 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 5: Denny and her were friends, and she gave him a 263 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 5: VHS of her favorite performance her in the gesture outfit, 264 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 5: telling jokes too Royalty. 265 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 4: While on roller skates. 266 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 5: It remained unwatched for years until one day under the weather, Denny, 267 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 5: who was struggling with coming up a female villain for Batman, 268 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 5: watched the tape and there you go, Proley Quinn. 269 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: Yeah you should. 270 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: You can still find clips of it online and you 271 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: can see it. 272 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 5: You're like, okay, I can already imagine it, and I 273 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 5: feel like my imagination is better. 274 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: I don't know that it is. Oh no, well, it's 275 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: just so interesting. I don't watch soap operas. I don't 276 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: have a lot of familiarity with soas, but it is funny, like, here's. 277 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: A jester on rollerblades telling jokes to Royalty. 278 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 4: What days of our lives? 279 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: Yep, maybe a future episode. 280 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: In this current version of Harley Quinn, she started out 281 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: as a psychiatrist at Arkham Asylum, which is where all 282 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: the really bad guys go in Gotham City. She graduated 283 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: at the top of her class, and in some interpretations, 284 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: she resented the uptight persona that that she created or 285 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: that she shaped, that she felt like she had to 286 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: behave in a certain way, that there are all these 287 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: expectations placed on her, and that all changed when she 288 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: met the Joker, and that's been one of the defining 289 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: traits of her character. She has long been defined by 290 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: the Joker, her often abusive, definitely toxic relationship with him. 291 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: Several episodes showcase the cycle of abuse. I even found 292 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: an entire article like pointing to this is this stage. 293 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: This is the stage from one episode of What the 294 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: Newer Batman. And she's pretty obsessed with him, and he 295 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: uses and abuses her, does not love her. Her shirt 296 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: and Suicide Squad read Daddy's Little Monster as if she 297 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: was his possession. Robbie has been very open about how 298 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: she wasn't a fan of Harley Quinn's outfit and Suicide Squad, 299 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: particularly the as she called them, gratuitous hot pants, and 300 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: her vision in this movie. Harley Quinn's vision of her 301 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: deepest desire was that a normal her with a normal Joker, 302 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: had normal kids and a normal house, and a lot 303 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: of fans saw that as a major disservice to her character. 304 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: It's fair to say she is largely essentially the female 305 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: version of the Joker, right down to the broken psyche. 306 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: Some speculate that Harley Quinn was Harley quinsle trying to 307 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: find her identity after defining herself by what she thought 308 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: society expected of her for so long, only to fall 309 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: in the trap of defining herself through an unstable man. 310 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: Whatever the case, Harley Quinn is someone looking out for 311 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: her own self interest, which frequently means partnering with villains 312 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: and heroes. In more recent iteration, she has moved away 313 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: from the Joker and worked with more women like Poison Ivy, 314 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: whom some have interpreted to be in a sexual relationship 315 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: that they're in a sexual relationship together, and even Batgirl 316 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen's Heroes in Crisis comic series. And that's 317 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: actually something a lot of really big Harley Quinn fans 318 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: point out is that she does have capacity for loyalty 319 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: and compassion where the Joker does not. That's one thing 320 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: that separates her from him. And yes, while she has 321 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: never been a member of the Birds of Prey, she 322 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: has made appearances in their stories, notably in the Manslaughter, 323 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: which was an arc from the Batgirl and the Birds 324 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: of Prey run by Shawna and Julia Benson. In Manslaughter, 325 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: several of the men of the DC universe are inflicted 326 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: with a mysterious, deadly virus. In order to find a cure, 327 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: the Birds of Prey worked with some villainous anti heroin 328 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: I guess, characters like Poison Ivy, Catwoman, and Harley Quinn. 329 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: The virus was the product of a cult seeking to 330 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 2: quote endo, the tyranny of men. Men only understand one 331 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: language violence With the men of Gotham incapacitated, women are 332 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: free to walk the streets without fear judgment, sexual harassment, robbery, 333 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 2: or other violence against them. Imagine if it was like 334 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 2: this every day, and then I wanted to read this. 335 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: I like this little panel I found from this comic. 336 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 2: So it's a detective talking to you. I believe Batgirl 337 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: and Blacknary. Thanks for taking the less conspicuous entrant. Shouldn't 338 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: be a problem getting you to the interrogation to talk 339 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: to the suspect. How are you holding up, Batgirl asked, well, 340 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: nearly seventy five percent of my force is out sick. 341 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: But on the bright side, crime is down ninety percent. Newsflash, 342 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: women are awesome, Yeah, not wrong. 343 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 4: Wrong. 344 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 5: So one of the characters go on to say, Miss Andrew, 345 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 5: ain't feminism equality for all? 346 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 347 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and saving men certainly isn't a bad thing, but 348 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: a lot of the plots for women in this universe 349 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: do revolve around the men in their lives, like the Joker. 350 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 3: Perhaps. 351 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: One infamous example comes from an episode of Batman the 352 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: Brave in the Bold titled The Mask of Matches Malone, 353 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 2: when the Birds of Prey, then composed of Catwoman, Black 354 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 2: Canary and Huntress, had to sing a song. Of course 355 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: at this bar for villains, so they sang Birds of Prey, 356 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: but it was much more more about the superhero men 357 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: in their lives than it was about themselves, and they 358 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: sang it specifically to reach out to Batman, who was 359 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: suffering from amnesia. Because also, of course, the song had 360 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: so much innuendo in it. It aired first in Australia, 361 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: but then word got out about it had to be 362 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: edited before it aired in the United States. 363 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 4: Do you know this song? 364 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: Oh? 365 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want you to sing a little bit. 366 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 3: Of it maybe after the bikes are okay. 367 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 5: The Birds of Prey had formed many coalitions with bad 368 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 5: girls and anti heroes, and this is a fairly common 369 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 5: theme throughout the DCEU, especially among the female villains. They 370 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 5: go from antagonists to protagonists, back to antagonists. For instance, 371 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 5: Poison Ivy joined at one point, but turns out she 372 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 5: was just using them to take out targets she didn't like. 373 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 5: This could relate back to that quote we read in 374 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 5: Batman Returns episode from the creator of Catwomen about how 375 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 5: women can't be trusted quote unquote, cool, detached, and unreliable. 376 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 5: There's a love resentment thing with women. Once the romance 377 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 5: is over, somehow they never remain my friends. Several of the 378 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 5: times Harlequinn saved the day, it was to spite the joker. Yeah. 379 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of times he'd be like, goodbye, I 380 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: got them, I'm gonna blow it up, and he doesn't 381 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: care that Harley Quinn is there, so I know. In 382 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: one example, she like throws something up into his helicopters 383 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 2: he's getting away, so that he can't get away either. 384 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: At the tail end of November twenty nineteen, streaming service 385 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: DC Universe debut Harley Quinn an R rated comedy. Kaylee 386 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: Quoquo provides the voice of Harley and Alentudick as a 387 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: joker as a Valentoin Dick. Also, Mark Hamill has a 388 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: long history of playing the Joker and he was my 389 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 2: first crush, so that makes me happy in this show, 390 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: after realizing her relationship with the Joker is an abusive one, 391 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: with the help of her friend Poison Ivy, she leaves 392 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: with the help of her friend Poison Ivy, who by 393 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: all accounts, seems to be the best part of this show. However, 394 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: Harley still remains obsessed with the Joker and only seeks 395 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: out male accomplices to be in her sort of tea. 396 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: Ivy even talks in a show about a glass ceiling 397 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: for female villains, even even female villains, if you're curious. 398 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: Harlequinn the word can mean several things, but here most 399 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 2: significantly clown or buffoon, a stock comic character originating in 400 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: the Comedia de l'arte, the foppish lover of a combine. 401 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: In the English harlequinod, he is usually represented in a 402 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: diamond pattern multicolored tights, wearing a black mask, or another 403 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 2: definition malevolent spirit. 404 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 4: That makes sense m h. 405 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 5: According to Hollywood Rumor, a movie called Gotham City Sirens 406 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 5: is in the works, and that would feature Margo Robbie's 407 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 5: Harlequin working with Selina Kyle, Catwoman and Pamela Ailey. 408 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 4: In past Poison Ivy. 409 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, but okay, she's not in the Birds of Ray. 410 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: So again, let's talk about actual members of this group, 411 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: starting with Dinah Laurel Lance aka Black Canary. Along with 412 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: Barbara Gordon Slash Oracle Slash, formerly Back Girl, she makes 413 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: up the heart of the team, a founding member who 414 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: is one of the mainstays. She also was a founding 415 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: member of the Justice League. The character actually debuted way 416 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: earlier in nineteen forty seven, although this was the mother 417 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: of the current Black Canary as a secondary super sexualized 418 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: villain slash love interest. That's how she made her original debut, 419 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: but she was immediately well received. Both an idealist and 420 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: toughest nails, Black Canary is great at hand to hand combat, 421 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: an excellent leader, and she has an ability called Canary Cry, 422 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: which can shatter glass and recurr jrums incapacitate pretty much anybody. 423 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: And I did think that was kind of funny, given 424 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: the whole shrill thing women get labeled with all the time, 425 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: But look, she turned it into a weapon. She weaponized 426 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 2: the tools of her oppression. Right. 427 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 5: While she is one of the rare female characters created 428 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 5: without a male analog, in the DC universe, she is 429 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 5: not too infrequently played as supporting character to her boyfriend, 430 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 5: the Green Arrow. 431 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: Right. Gail Simone, the writer we mentioned earlier that did 432 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: a bulk of these Bird of Prey she had a 433 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: big candidate, has publicly stated that in her characterization, Black 434 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 2: Canary was bisexual. This character recently featured in the CW's Arrow, 435 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: played by Katie Cassidy right. 436 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 5: Also in the CW version is Sarah Lawrence played by 437 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 5: Katie Lots, which is not featured in the comics. She 438 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 5: is the predecessor for the Black Canary as just the Canary, 439 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 5: and it is one of the first bisexual characters in 440 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 5: the most reccent TV versions. 441 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: Oh huh. 442 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: Best Selling author Meg Cavott recently took a stab at 443 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: the character, writing a new origin story for Black Canary 444 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 2: aimed at young girls called Black Canary Ignite, which is 445 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: really exciting because young girls, I think aren't too often 446 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 2: unfortunately the target audience for comics, so it's cool that 447 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: we're moving that way. The other person at the core 448 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: of the Birds of Prey is Barbara Gordon Slash Oracle Slash, 449 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 2: formally Backgirl, first appearing in nineteen sixty seven as a 450 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: female component to Batman, who at first, by the way, 451 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: insists she gives up crime fighting because she's a woman. 452 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: She is a genius, she has a doctorate in library science. 453 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: She's great with technology. She can speak a ton of languages. 454 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: Business Week included her as the only woman on their 455 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 2: top ten most Intelligent fictional Superheroes list in two thousand 456 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: and six. Conceived during the Silver Age of comics and 457 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: during the Women's liberation movement, she was meant to represent smart, 458 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: career oriented women in the Killing Joke, which was an 459 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: issue a comic. The Joker shoots her who she was 460 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: Batgirl at the time in the spine, and then he 461 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 2: takes pictures of her because he's a sadist, as she 462 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 2: writes in pain. As a result, she is paralyzed from 463 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: the waist down is a wheelchair. She also suffers from PTSD, 464 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: but that whole storyline is more about how Batman and 465 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: her father feel about the whole thing, like the reason 466 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: the Joker did it was to. 467 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 3: Drive her dad insane. 468 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: Improved to Batman that even the best men can can 469 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 2: lose their minds, and the writer later called it shallow 470 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 2: and ill conceived. This actually inspired Future DC and Barbara 471 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: Gordon writer Gail Simone to make the Women in Refrigerators website, 472 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: which documents the numerous cases of violence against women in comics, 473 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: particularly sexualized violence, to showcase only done to show how 474 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: it impacts the men, how it hurts the men. After 475 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: being shot, Barbara Gordon takes on the new secret Identity Oracle. 476 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: In more recent storylines, she is quote cured and becomes 477 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 2: Batgirl again, sparking conversations around ableism and that whole overcoming 478 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: disability conversation Bridgete and I had in a past episode 479 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: which there are so many essays out there about this 480 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: particular character ableism, and also being a librarian, which. 481 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: I thought was really interesting. 482 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: Even though she was the main character, she only appeared 483 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 2: on one third of the covers, and she was frequently 484 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: drawn in a frumpy manner until later in later runs, 485 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: which is problematic as well. She was portrayed by Yvonne 486 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 2: Craig in the nineteen sixties Batman TV show, and the 487 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 2: actress appeared as Batgirl in a nineteen seventies PSA advocating 488 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 2: for equal pay for women. All right, then that girl, Yeah, 489 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: that's right, And then there's Huntress aka Helena Bertanelli. Like 490 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: most of the characters were talking about, she's had a lot, 491 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of storylines. We should have said 492 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: that at the top, like they've been rebooted so many times, 493 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 2: it's hard to say which particular storyline, but anyway, she 494 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: one of her storyline the Huntresses, and one of them 495 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 2: she was the daughter of Batman and Catwoman. But the 496 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 2: one they're going with in the new film is her 497 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: past in the mafia and her loss of her family 498 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: and a mob hit, a storyline introduced in nineteen eighty nine. 499 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: She's a fairly violent. 500 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 2: Character with a particular affinity for crossbows. Because of this, 501 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: Batman generally did not approve of her methods, and she 502 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: devoted a lot of time to earning his approval. That 503 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: didn't stop her from spending some time with the Justice 504 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 2: League and after that the Birds of Prey, and while 505 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: she's not an original member of the Birds of Prey team, 506 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: she did become integral and one of the most well 507 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: known characters for sure. Her story arcs generally involved her 508 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 2: obsession with vengeance and letting go of her family's violent 509 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: past to become Huntress. 510 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 5: She was reintroduced as an Italian African American woman in 511 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 5: the New fifty two and as character was a villain 512 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 5: during the first two seasons of Arrow, played by Jessica Degal. 513 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: And then there is Cassandra Cain aka Batgirl or Orphan 514 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: in the comic book World. She is the daughter of 515 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: two assassins, Lady Shiva and David Kine, and the pair 516 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: raised their daughter to be an assassin too. In some 517 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: versions of the comic, she was raised not to speak, 518 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: but to instead use those parts of her brain to 519 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: read body language and general movements. 520 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 3: She went on to. 521 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: Become an assassin in service of Barbara Gordon, Slash Oracle. 522 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: Not an official member of the Birds of. 523 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 5: Prey, multiple characters have taken on the Batgirl mantle. Cassandra 524 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 5: Kine is one of the most well known behind Barbara Gordon. 525 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 3: Right. 526 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: Then there's a Lady Blackhawk, a pilot who was a 527 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: member of the World War two black Hawks and pulled 528 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: from the nineteen fifties into these our modern times. She 529 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: did not become a regular in the Birds of Prey 530 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: comics though until two thousand and four. You know, doing 531 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: the research for this, it's oftentimes I'll write something and 532 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: then I'll think this is too weird, right, this is 533 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: too weird. 534 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 3: But then I was reading this like, maybe it's not 535 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: too weird. 536 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: That's a lot of stuff going on here. Another character 537 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: we need to talk about is Rename Montoya. She is 538 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: detective in the Gotham City Police Department's Major Crimes Unit. 539 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: She eventually left the police when she couldn't handle the 540 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: rampant corruption anymore. 541 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 5: Originally created for Batman the Animated Twoes in nineteen ninety two, 542 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 5: she's now one of the most prominent gay characters in 543 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 5: the comics. Her superhero Guys was the question, although she 544 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 5: didn't accept her membership offer into the Birds of Prey. 545 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: Nah, she didn't do. 546 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 4: It, she said, no thanks. 547 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: There are so many other characters we could talk about. 548 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: Misfit who, oh misfit is she her saying is dark Vengeance, 549 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: Black Alice big barda hawkgirl. 550 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: Katana, who you were telling me has also. 551 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 4: Been a girl was there as well. 552 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 5: She was introduced in the Arrow and I think Legends 553 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 5: of Tomorrow has all of these people in. 554 00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 4: There as well. 555 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 5: I have not watched Legends of Tomorrow too much, but yeah, 556 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 5: they have a lot of different characters that kind of jumped. 557 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, that's always fun. 558 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: There's this whole world to pull from, right, But that's 559 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: that's who we're going to cover for today. We do 560 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: have a little bit more for you, but first we 561 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 2: have one more quick break for word from our sponsor. 562 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: And we're back. Thank you, sponsor. 563 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: And we just wanted to wrap up on some I 564 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: guess observations. Yeah, some themes, starting with I was in 565 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: my head comparing Birds of Prey to other superhero groups 566 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,479 Speaker 2: like the Avengers, are Justice League, our Teen Titans, and 567 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: I do feel that the scale of what Birds of 568 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 2: Prey dealt with is less compared to teams made up 569 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: of mostly men like the Avengers are Justice League. 570 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: Not that it's any less important. 571 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: They're fighting like human trafficking, drug trafficking, all kinds of things. 572 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 5: You mean, like world impending disasters. 573 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels at least because I have read some 574 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: of all of these, but I'm not. I haven't read 575 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 2: all all of them, but I did get this sort 576 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: of vibe that they're like, let the big boys. 577 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 3: Handle this whole world ending thing and you can take 578 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 3: care of these smaller. 579 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 5: To me, this sounds like where the DC has Justice League, 580 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 5: and then the Birds of Prey, Marvel has the Avengers 581 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 5: and then the Defenders. 582 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 4: You're just kind of like, oh, this is a big screen. 583 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 5: This is a small screen, although obviously this is a 584 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 5: big screen now, thank you very much, manco Robbie then 585 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 5: some but yeah, that's what it looks like. 586 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 4: That a little scaled down version. 587 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 5: Of here's another set of superheroes that you may like, 588 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 5: but they're not as cool, right, We're going to pretend 589 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 5: like or not write them as cool, right. 590 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: And I something else that does get ignored or glossed 591 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: over a lot is you know, the founder of the 592 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: Avengers was the Wasp. Like the women are at the 593 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: heart of a lot of these big groups, but you 594 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: never hear that. And like Wonder Woman, for example, is 595 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: also a secretary. Like there's always this kind of weird 596 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: layer that I do think it is changing, but. 597 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 4: Very very slowly. 598 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 3: Yes. And another thing that's changing very slowly that I wanted. 599 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: To comment on here costuming, because I really would recommend 600 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: looking at pass covers if you're interested, because it's impossible, impossible, yeah, 601 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: not to see the male gaze and the overt sexualization 602 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 2: of these characters, who I remind you are crime fighters, right, 603 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: superheroes their outfoot choices for combat, they leave a lot 604 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: to be desired. One is like just a bronze suspenders 605 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: underwear and that's it. 606 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I mean I do enjoy being pantiless, 607 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 5: but I would feel really self conscious trying to jump 608 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 5: buildings and only my You know, we need. 609 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: To think about what our superhero costumes. 610 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 5: I think one would be my really raggetty robe. Right now, 611 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 5: I'm just sitting on the couch. 612 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 3: Oh the couch comes. 613 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, someone is carrying me on a couch as I'm like, 614 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 5: stop that, this is interesting, the tactic. 615 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 4: Stop it. 616 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: So you need to find a am I the your partner? 617 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 4: I carry the couch. 618 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,239 Speaker 5: I don't know if you're carrying the couch as much 619 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 5: as you join me every now and again like, hey. 620 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: Don't do that, it's not cool. 621 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with her. She said. 622 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 2: How effective we'd be, but we'd probably be more comfortable 623 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 2: than a lot of women in these outfits. That is 624 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: something that is also changing, and it's interesting to read 625 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: from female writers the importance of that to them, that 626 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: their outfit choice be practical. Right. That doesn't mean it 627 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: can't be sexy exactly, but practical. 628 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 5: That shouldn't be the forefront, the focus right on the outfit. 629 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 5: So also, while we're thinking about it, anti heroin slash 630 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 5: bad girl trope, that's something that we see a lot 631 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 5: of in the characters we've been discussing, and certainly want 632 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 5: to come back to what we're actually going to do 633 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 5: an episode on the history of the bad girl trope 634 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 5: and the good bad girl trope, which has been a 635 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 5: conversation back and forth about who has power the. 636 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 4: Good girl bad girl idea. 637 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 2: I never heard of the good bad girl trope until 638 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 2: I had looked into this, and the examples they gave, 639 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 2: like were Faith from Buffy who is still good but 640 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 2: bad meaning. 641 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 3: She likes to have sex usually. Yes. 642 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, So definitely planning on coming back to that. But 643 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 2: I do think this, this DC universe has a lot 644 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: of examples of anti heroines or bad girls, So excited 645 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 2: to come back and talk about that. There are definitely 646 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 2: particularly when we're talking about the Joker and Harley Quinn 647 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: and Barbara Gordon. There's whole issues of representation when it 648 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: comes to ableism and the depiction of mental illness right. 649 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 5: Which I think has always been a thing with crime 650 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 5: fighting movies, fantasy crime fighting movies. They kind of take 651 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 5: that and make it into almost the antagonist in itself. 652 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, as a theme, Yeah, it's generally coded as this 653 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 2: person is a villain if they have any kind of 654 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 2: mental illness. Yes, yes, the Joker is a great example, 655 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 2: a great example, and comic books do have a very 656 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 2: long history of not so great representation of women and 657 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 2: over a sexualization of female characters. 658 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 3: Actually, at least one of the. 659 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 2: Writers who's writing for it now or has been up 660 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 2: until recently, got the job because she wrote DC and 661 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: complained about their portrayal of women. And that is Recent 662 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 2: research shows that more and more women are getting their 663 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 2: own storylines and titles, and a lot of this is 664 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 2: linked to the increase in female creators of female writers 665 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 2: and artists in the industry. So that is a good thing. 666 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 2: But we still have a long way to go, as 667 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 2: we can see on Twitter, as we can well Twitter. 668 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 4: Twitter makes you feel like the world's on. 669 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 2: There's a long way to go for everything, I suppose, 670 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: but that could be true. 671 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 3: That could be true. 672 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 2: It's an interesting place to end our Birds of Prey episode. 673 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 5: It's kind of funny because it does keep it in 674 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 5: the forefront. Because it's a continuous debate. I know, I 675 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 5: know we're gonna make things happen. 676 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 2: We can and so can you listeners, and we would 677 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 2: love to hear from you if there's any Birds of 678 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 2: Prey character. We didn't mention our favorite favorite issue to comics. 679 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 2: I'm always looking for recommendations. You can email us. Our 680 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 2: email is Stuff Media mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. 681 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast 682 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 2: or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks. 683 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 2: It's always to our super producer Andrew Howard, thank you. 684 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 2: Thanks to you for listening. Stefan Never Told You. 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