1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:00,320 Speaker 1: HM. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 2: Welcome into north Side Territory follow Territory Network's. 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 3: Cubs podcast time. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: Soada Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney, we are your 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic. Patrick, we're going 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: to talk a little pitching yet again after after the 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: show to episode and we're still kind of in limbo 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: on on what what happens there as we record today 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: Thursday morning. 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 3: Uh, Colin Ray is back and. 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: It sounds like it's a I don't know, they save 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: a half a million dollars with the way they structured this. 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 3: I don't know. Sounds like I think you talk said 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 3: it was accounting tricks. 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: I don't I don't understand what, what why the Cubs 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: need to adjust money so much, but they do. They 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: do these things. And it's five point five million for 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: this year, potentially seven point five million next year with 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: an option with some buyouts. 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 4: That's what from our buddy Jordan Bastion of MLB dot Com. 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan had the details on the contract. Well, our 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: focus in this segment is I really liked what he 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: did at the end of last season compared to how 24 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: he ended twenty twenty four, which was basically struggled in September, 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: he didn't make the Brewers playoff roster. 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: He was one of the Cub's better pitchers down the stretch. 27 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: The way he performed, you know, I think some were 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: arguing for him to get a start there in the playoffs. 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: It pitched really well and I think he earned this 30 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: this extra year. 31 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: But something we haven't talked about. 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: This team had six Gold Glove nominees, three winners, and 33 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: pictures like Colin Ray who don't pure. Although we did 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: have a decent amount of strikeouts at the end there, 35 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: He's not a strikeout pitcher. The Cubs don't strike guys 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: out in general. They're starting staff in this past season. Now, 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: J jed Hoyer said that maybe a focus, but you 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: have to pay a lot of money to get strikeouts. 39 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: That's just how this business works. 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: They rely on this defense and it is an elite 41 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: group that you know has the hardware to back that up. 42 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that group you mentioned at the top there 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 5: side did not even include Dansby Swanson, a goal Glove 44 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 5: shortstop who was not for whatever reason, on the list 45 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 5: of finalists. 46 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 4: But if you watch those playoffs, you saw what. 47 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 5: He can still do at a really high level and 48 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 5: It was interesting hearing the three goal glove winners on 49 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 5: a conference call the other night video conference, just explaining 50 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 5: how I think it it takes some time for that 51 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 5: group to gel as well. 52 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: I mean, it's. 53 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 5: Baseball is kind of a hard game when you talk 54 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 5: about that type of chemistry. But I think playing around 55 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 5: Pete crow Armstrom took the little developed a really nice 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 5: chemistry over the last few seasons. I know left field 57 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 5: is not a premium defensive position at all at all, 58 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 5: but credit to Ian hat for finding a position after 59 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 5: being bounced around earlier in his career, and also for 60 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 5: sharing a lot of knowledge with Pete. That is something 61 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 5: that Pete has said multiple times over the course of 62 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 5: this year about Wrigley Field, as anyone who's been there, 63 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 5: Ian has understands a lot of those nuances, as willing 64 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 5: to share that knowledge with Pete. And you know, defense 65 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 5: I don't think really gets fans going during the offseason, 66 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 5: but you certainly noticed its impact in October. 67 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 68 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: I mean, it's undeniable how important it is to the 69 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: Cubs being a good team. And I think it was 70 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: at the forefront of Jed Hoyer's mind when when he 71 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: signed Dansby Stutson. He the idea of I think at 72 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: that point, Miko Horner was coming off a season where 73 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: he played shortstop and he looked good. He looked like 74 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: a really good shortstop, and then they knew how good 75 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: he could be at second base. Pushing him back to 76 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: second base and kind of building that backbone of their defense. 77 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: That was what that's kind of. 78 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: That's what inspired Jed Hord to do what he did 79 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: when he signed Dance Past wanted. He was thinking about 80 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: that defense. This is how we'd become a great team again. 81 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: Defense up the middle is what will we'll make the 82 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 2: Cubs great? 83 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: Uh, you know, I don't know how much. In the 84 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: back of his mind he was also like. 85 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: Peek Armstrong is going to be my center fielder in 86 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: a few years. 87 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 3: That probably was you know that they do. 88 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: The future, yes, yeah, many when they're making decisions. So 89 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: Pek Armstrong was probably on his mind as well, and 90 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: he had to be excited about that. And you're right, 91 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: like these guys have all like improved in different ways. 92 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: I think winning four in a row like that's something 93 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: that imagine us talking about Ian Halp as a gold Glover, 94 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: you know, half a decade ago, I think, you know, 95 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: we would have chuckled at that, and he's won four 96 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: in a row. Props to him, and he Go is 97 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: just one of the like he's the heartbeat of this team. 98 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: I think that the more I've been around this team, 99 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: especially in the playoffs, it really did feel that way. 100 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: He's just the defense that I know he had the 101 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: critical error in the NLDS, but outside of that, I mean, 102 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 2: they don't pass and diego without their defense. They're pitching 103 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: all season long doesn't look as good as it did. 104 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: I've had this conversation with people that don't kind of 105 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: follow the Cubs. They'll they'll say, I'm worried about their pitching, 106 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: or I look at their pitching. I don't think their 107 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: pitching is good enough. But for years I've heard people 108 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: say this, and for years now, the Cubs pitching out 109 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: performs expectations. You know, credit to Tommy Hotteby and the 110 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: pitching infrastructure. I'm sure there's some things that they emphasize 111 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: and do to maximize that pitching, but I think most 112 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: people would point to a look who they're pitching in 113 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: front of, you know, look who's behind them. He grow Armstrong, 114 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: Dancy Swanson and Nico Horner are special defenders and they 115 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: just make everything easier. And when we talk about this, 116 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: we said it last episode. The theme of this offseason 117 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: is going to be how do you like? Who are 118 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: the pitchers? Who are they going after? How do they 119 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: rebuild this pitching staff, particularly the bullpen. Everything feels a 120 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: little bit easier, and I'm sure that the front office 121 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: feels a little bit more comfortable when they go after 122 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: pitching because of that defense. 123 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 5: A few straight thoughts off of that Sunday night conference call, 124 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 5: It was interesting that Nico acknowledge how and Ian have 125 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 5: acknowledge as well. He kind of described it of how 126 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 5: really how limited he was in twenty twenty four is 127 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 5: to let loose. 128 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 4: I know Jed Hoyer. 129 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 5: Had described that that the GM meetings last year, but 130 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 5: for you know, kind of a teammate or the player 131 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 5: himself to be like, yeah, I couldn't really let it 132 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 5: rip and still played very productive major league season. That 133 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 5: his pregame work, his ability to like work on his 134 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 5: defense was hampered for another chunk of this season, and 135 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 5: the amount of games he put up this year after 136 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 5: missing the seasonal opening trip to Japan was kind of staggering. 137 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 5: I still think, you know, we can't forget that part 138 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 5: of the reason Nico did this surgery was to get 139 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 5: back to being able to play shortstop, and that is 140 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 5: an interesting thought as we come into the last year 141 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 5: of his contract extension, his ability to market himself as 142 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 5: a shortstop, I think will be very lucrative, either in 143 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 5: going back to the Cubs for another extension or testing 144 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 5: the market next offseason whenever that is after inevitable owner's lockout. 145 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 4: And then just kind of the development of Crol Armstrong. 146 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 5: He credited Quintin Berry, a new coach this year, on 147 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 5: just kind of his his bursts, his jumps, his kind 148 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 5: of pre pitch. 149 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 4: Routine. 150 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 5: And I think we both in our interactions with Quinton 151 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 5: Berry and what we've heard about him behind the scenes, 152 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 5: that is someone who's going to be groomed for bigger roles. 153 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 5: I believe, you know, there is someone who could maybe 154 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 5: be a manager someday. Not saying in Chicago or like 155 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 5: these out for Craig Council's job, but if Craig Council 156 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 5: kind of works with you in Milwaukee and he brings 157 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 5: you into Chicago and the base running Pete's team based 158 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 5: running and Pete's defense shows up in big ways. He 159 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 5: has some charisma, He definitely has a presence. I think 160 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 5: he's someone you know who should probably be on that 161 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 5: managerial circuit, interview circuit and in your future. And then just 162 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 5: Pete talking about the end of the season. He was 163 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 5: obviously very emotional in Milwaukee. He said he's not really 164 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: fixated on the playoff law, so it was just he's 165 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 5: still taking that entire second half pretty hard. He feels like, 166 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 5: what if I had done more? And he understands he 167 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 5: had a great first half to put the team in 168 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 5: a great position for the second half, but that's and uh, 169 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 5: I thought it was interesting how he phrased it, like 170 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 5: the did you have dwelling on stuff? Contemplating stuff? For him, 171 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 5: it never stops. That will be kind of an all 172 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 5: off season thing, and I think that bodes well for 173 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 5: what we're all going to be writing next year about, 174 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 5: you know, what's. 175 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: Next for he? Can he top that? Can he do 176 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: it again? And like that that kind of thought is 177 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 4: certainly out there. 178 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to be You're right, it will be 179 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: a big topic entering spring training. And I you know, 180 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: his mindset I think is one of those things like 181 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 2: is he. 182 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: Going to put too much pressure out of himself. 183 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 2: Or is this like the type of drive and the 184 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: goals he needs to set for himself to reach, you know, 185 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: these heights that he kind of set in the first half. 186 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: Uh, it can go, you know, either way. 187 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: It all depends how does he handle that pressure, how 188 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: does he handle the pressure he puts on himself, and 189 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: does he kind of focus that energy in the proper way. 190 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: It'll be fascinating to see. 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Maybe we put a statue 220 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 5: outside or a flag to mark the yet another moment 221 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 5: of financial flex Andrew Characters is probably not the decision 222 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 5: to kind of have that conversation about or yeah, we 223 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 5: can't pound a table line. But we'll see how this 224 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 5: obason plays. It's been a lot. Yeah, let's I'd like 225 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 5: to let's just like we I think we were. 226 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 2: You and I were both kind of not to go 227 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: too far off into a different hand. You and I 228 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: both kind of expected that Cody Bellinger money to be 229 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: spent last year and it never was. And now we're 230 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 2: seeing this like that essentially saved a million and a 231 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 2: half by no buy up Kittridge and kind of restruct 232 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: Colin Ray in twenty twenty six. And you know, is 233 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: that a reliever that they're going to spend money on? 234 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: Then? 235 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: Like why, Like, look, every dollar counts. 236 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: I guess and and and they are they do work 237 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: under a budget, but it's it's kind of ridiculous to 238 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: see some of this stuff. But obviously they need money 239 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: for relievers because Kiddridge is gone. And then you have 240 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: Brad Keller coming off a brilliant season. He's going to 241 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: get paid h And the Cubs don't do that unless 242 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: they suddenly decide, hey, Brad Keller, you're you're competing for 243 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: a rotation spot. They want to pay for that type 244 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: of deal. I haven't heard any rumblings of that. That's 245 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: that's that would be news to me. I think Brad 246 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: Keller's going to go out there and get paid and 247 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: get paid well by some other team. 248 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 6: Uh. 249 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: Then there's Drew Pomerance and Caleb Telbar, both free agents, 250 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: both in their late thirties, both exactly the type of 251 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: guy that the Cubs are thrilled to have found and 252 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: they're not so thrilled to pay the year after they 253 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: have that season. 254 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: You know, Look, fielbar makes sense to me. I like, 255 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: that's that'd be a risk. 256 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: He's like thirty nine or something like, he's gonna be 257 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: thirty eight to thirty nine. 258 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: Like, I don't know if you bet on that. 259 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: Drew pomarants, like did you catch lightning in a bottle? 260 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: I get that. I get all these decisions. All of 261 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: these decisions makes sense in a vacuum. It's just what 262 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: you're talking about now is is a bullpen stripped to 263 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: the studs with one guy that's proven it, and that's 264 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: Daniel Plentza, and he did it for one year. 265 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: Remember Porter Hodge a year ago was. 266 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: I'm not saying Daniel Pincio can't repeat what he did. 267 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm saying there are no guarantees when it comes to 268 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: the bullpen. So right now you have a I have 269 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: a bullpen. We've got like, there's not many arms that 270 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: you've even relied on there. It's him and Hodge are 271 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: the only ones that have have thrown a decent amount 272 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: of innings in the recent past. 273 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: It's a it's a huge hole right now. 274 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: And and the way the Cubs go about business, don't 275 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: don't expect them to, you know, go out and get 276 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz, and then we're backwards from there. 277 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 4: I want to I want to get to that in 278 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: one second. 279 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 5: I think Kittridge, I get like roughly whatever, nine million dollars. 280 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 5: Maybe you get two like decent relievers. 281 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 4: Maybe you get like four non roster guys. 282 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: I want to say Kellerbert was like two and a 283 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: half or two point seven. 284 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 4: I think keller might have been one point five million. 285 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 4: When you're talking about if he's. 286 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 5: Save a little on Rey and you save a little 287 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 5: on this buy out, I thought Keller was about one 288 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 5: point five. I'd have to go back and check my notes, 289 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 5: but I get it when Diaz like if he's looking 290 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 5: for another sure, you know, record setter or some sort 291 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 5: of contract that's you know, like four years or whatever, 292 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 5: and you have Steve Cohen on speed dial. 293 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 4: Of course I was more surprised. 294 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 5: We talked about this on our slack channel and you 295 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 5: went out and got it. Of in reading your store 296 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 5: in the Athletic, you know, oh, Devin Williams seemed like 297 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 5: really interesting name to. 298 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 4: Me, and you you're reporting indicates not so fast. 299 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not and all of this can change. 300 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I hope, I believe I wrote that in 301 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: a way, and I hope people don't focus on the 302 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: they can't get those guys. Look, they're not going to 303 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: set the market for any of those big names. 304 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 3: They're not going to go out there and be aggressive. 305 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: If Devin Williams can't find find the five year deal 306 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: that he probably is looking for, whatever it is that 307 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: he's looking for, it would make a lot of sense 308 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: to come to the Cups. There's a spot where he'll 309 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: be guaranteed the closer's role. He's going to be working 310 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 2: under a manager that he trusts and knows and has 311 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: experienced with, who trusts him, who knows what he can do, 312 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: the right type of deal, whatever that money may be. 313 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: That's why you have to leave the door open for 314 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: these ideas. Edwin Diaz just like he's going to get paid, 315 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 2: Suarez is going to get paid. Like these are two 316 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: closers that have pitched, you know, at a high level 317 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: for multiple seasons. Devin Williams I think falls into that category. 318 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 2: But he had a rough season. But like baseball isn't 319 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 2: baseball isn't, this isn't two thousand and one. I guess 320 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: where they just look at the er and say, this 321 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: guy's broken. They can see that his strikeouts and walks 322 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: are very similar. They can look at they have all 323 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: the information on the pitch data, like they know what 324 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: type of pitcher this guy is. So he's The thought 325 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: behind that is someone's going to pay him, and the 326 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: Cubs just aren't that team now bounce back candidates. If 327 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: Devin Williams was a true bounce back candidate, I think 328 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: he'd be firmly on their radar, and I think he'll stay. 329 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: He'll be on their radar until he gets the type 330 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: of contract he's looking for. 331 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: Uh. But I agree with you like Devin. 332 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: Like Devin Williams may not be in that exact tier 333 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: because of the season he had. 334 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: But. 335 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: It would be nice if the Cubs could find I 336 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: think the Cubs need to find someone. 337 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: If it's not in that mold, then it's you know. 338 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: I hesitate to use his name just because of the 339 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 2: season he had, But Ryan Presley mold in the sense 340 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: like a veteran, someone who's done it before, someone who 341 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: knows how to get the final three outs and isn't 342 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: and and and has something left in the tank. Is 343 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: there someone that may be traded, or is there someone 344 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: on the list of free agents that's coming off a 345 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: bad season, coming off One guy that's coming off in 346 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: injuries jose Le Clerk. 347 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 348 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: His his health status right now. How quickly is he. 349 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: I think he had lat surgery. But like, those are 350 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 2: the types of names we're gonna have to look at. 351 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: I think, you know, like guys coming off injuries, guys 352 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: coming off six e rs, guys who for some reason 353 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: something was off. And Tommy Howdeby says, I think if 354 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: we use this bitch more, he'll be right back to 355 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: who he was. 356 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: Or look look at his delivery. 357 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: We can see like if he does this and this, 358 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: he's gonna be fine as long as he's healthy. So 359 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: those are those are the things that I think we're 360 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: we focus on, especially early on, uh, you know, the 361 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: first month or two of free agency. 362 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, they're definitely going to bring in someone 363 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 5: who has that know how, that experience, someone who can 364 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 5: show other pictures how to prepare and how to anticipate 365 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 5: when and how they will be used. I think that 366 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 5: was something that Brad Keller, Drew Pomeranz and Caleb thielbar 367 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 5: All appreciated about this year's group that they were really 368 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 5: locked into the games. They're meeting for breakfast, going out 369 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 5: for coffee and just kind of constantly talking about the 370 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 5: game and having that mindset of always being prepared so 371 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 5: that that type of presence is a must. And I 372 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 5: think they know that they've gone out and done that 373 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 5: year after year. That's kind of a rare area where 374 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 5: they'll acknowledge intangible value. I think I feel a little 375 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 5: better about the strategy if the Cups kind of had 376 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 5: more sort of like young pictures coming right, Yeah, Like, 377 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 5: but they've obviously found a way to make it work 378 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 5: without having some gushing pipeline of young pitching talent. So yeah, look, 379 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 5: they'll bring in whatever ten guys. One guy might wind 380 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 5: up being really good for most of the year, another 381 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 5: guy might have a couple of spurts, a bunch of 382 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 5: guys will get sent to Iowa, some more will get released. Like, 383 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 5: and that's where I think you're right about the not 384 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 5: setting the market. That's seems to be the Cubs strategy overall, 385 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 5: of letting some of this play out. The teams with 386 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 5: aggressive owners that like to do winter meetings press conferences 387 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 5: and paraded around new free agents and you know, do 388 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 5: the press conference, the shot with the jersey and putting 389 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 5: the new hat on big time star just not really 390 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 5: how the Cubs roll. And so you know, when we're 391 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 5: in Cubs convention and the Cubs have signed like one 392 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 5: player and there's like twenty interesting names out there, then 393 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 5: maybe some of these thoughts will evolve. Then maybe putting 394 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 5: more money into the bullpen might make sense, particularly if 395 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 5: it's on kind of one year commitments, or maybe we 396 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 5: got to spring training and there's two or three really 397 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 5: good players still unsigned and it's like, you know, there 398 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 5: there's only a certain handful of teams that are gonna 399 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 5: be spending big money this offseason. 400 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 4: Then you have a. 401 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 5: Potential lockout on almost certain lockout looming after this season. 402 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 5: They're just the Cubs are always this nice sort of 403 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 5: consolation landing prize landing spot, like ap plausible team for 404 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 5: lots of free agents. 405 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: So I think. 406 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 5: Fans just get get kind of like used to that 407 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 5: of kind of expectation setting of like, yeah, they're not 408 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 5: going to go out and really like blow anyone away. 409 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 5: But the more that all this stuff lingers, they could 410 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 5: be in play for different things that maybe weren't obvious 411 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 5: at the beginning of November. 412 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, there the youth part that you mentioned. You know, 413 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: it's not like they have this pipeline of young players 414 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: Palencia was. 415 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 3: You know, we probably would have said that. 416 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 2: About Palencia and during the season, you know, and and 417 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: and look, it's it's horribly risky to just rely on 418 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: a bunch of unproven kids that have struggled. 419 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: For Luke Little has struggled every time he's come up 420 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: to the big leagues. Uh uh. 421 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: There's a there's a kid named Riley Martin who has 422 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: nasty stuff and sometimes the walks explode with him. But 423 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: he's a lefty that you know has he's but he's 424 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: like twenty six, twenty seven. 425 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: You know, at some point he needs. 426 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 2: To get up to the big leagues at be added 427 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: to the forty man roster. Jack Neely acquired in the 428 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 2: Mark Lighter trade. That that trade looks bad right now. 429 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 3: Uh. 430 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: Lighter has been solid as a reliever, was solid once again, 431 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: great great to talk for us through. 432 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 3: Red ass exactly. 433 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: And and the infielder they got, Ben Cowells, I believe 434 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: was dfade or taking off the forty man and then 435 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: and Jack Neely has struggled. 436 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: He struggled to triple A last year. 437 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: I don't he didn't even get a cup of coffee 438 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 2: again last this past season, he never came up. Those 439 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 2: are the types of names that you're looking at. You 440 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 2: need Porter Hodge to bounce back. Like there's a lot 441 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: there's young guys with stuff, but no, like you need 442 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 2: to like this this coaching staff, especially Counsel, how to 443 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 2: be those guys. 444 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 3: You better throw strikes. 445 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: Luke Little doesn't throw enough strikes to earn the trust 446 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 2: of this group. Riley Martin walks a lot of guys. 447 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: I think Neely has a similar issue, Like if you're 448 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 2: not throwing strikes, you're not gonna get more. 449 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: You'll you may get a cup of coffee. 450 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: And that's why Hodge stuck in twenty four he had 451 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: issues throwing strikes, came up, threw strikes and earned Craig 452 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: Counsel's trust. Struggled with it this year. When he did 453 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: throw strikes this year, it got hit hard too, So 454 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: there's something. There was something off with him this year. 455 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: So you just never know, Like I'm not ruling any 456 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 2: of those young guys out until they're off the roster, but. 457 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 3: Certainly don't trust. 458 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 2: Like there's no like like I don't feel great about 459 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: any of them in saying like, yeah, I know what 460 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 2: this guy's gonna give. 461 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: And I can't even say that about Valencia. 462 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: As much as I respect the season that he had 463 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: and the work that he put in and everything that 464 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: he did to get to the point that he that 465 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: he was like such a good reliever, it's just year 466 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 2: to year. 467 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 3: You have to. 468 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: Reevaluate these things and see how that first month, month 469 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: and a half goes, and then you can say, Okay, 470 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: looks like he can repeat that season or have a 471 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: similar type season. 472 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 3: So it's a crapshoot every year. 473 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 2: The Cubs know that part of the reason why Jed 474 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: Hoyer doesn't. 475 00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: Like to spend. 476 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: And while I can respect that, I also think you 477 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: need some sort of certainty and you're the Cubs, So 478 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: whether it's trading for someone that has a year left 479 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: that maybe not wanted by their team as much anymore, 480 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,959 Speaker 2: whatever it may be, some certainty needs to be found 481 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: in some way, at least to start the season. And 482 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 2: then you know how it is, at every trade deadline, 483 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 2: you're always looking for pitching. So yet again, rebuilding the bullpen. 484 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: We'll be following it all all winter long. There will 485 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: be names added that you and I barely pay attention to, 486 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 2: and then by June we'll be talking about how important 487 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: this guy is, because that's just how it works. Yeah, 488 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 2: all right, thanks so much for listening everyone, This is 489 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: Northside Territory. 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