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Speaker 1: Campsite Media.

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Speaker 2: It's nineteen ninety four and Paul and his old college

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Speaker 2: buddy David Ridon are on a plane to London. It's

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Speaker 2: been years since their Ferrari road trip to Houston, that

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Speaker 2: fateful cross country rampage that launched Paul's.

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Speaker 3: Career with the Lynd Agency.

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Speaker 2: Now Paul is a big shot agent representing some of

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Speaker 2: the most recognizable models in the world.

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Speaker 3: He's won a bunch of model wars.

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Speaker 2: He even recruited David away from what he was doing professionally,

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Speaker 2: real estate and made him CEO of IT Models, So

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Speaker 2: David Sherdon is no longer just Paul's party buddy.

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Speaker 4: We're making money and the brand was good, but he

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Speaker 4: was always kind of on the edge of derailing it

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Speaker 4: by doing something fucking stupid.

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Speaker 2: As we know, Paul at this point has a massive ego,

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Speaker 2: a drug habit, and very poor impulse control. So David

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Speaker 2: got the unenviable task of being the adult in the room,

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Speaker 2: which makes this trip to London very high stakes, because

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Speaker 2: what with all the partying and losing a lawsuit after

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Speaker 2: punching yet another guy at a nightclub, Paul is pretty

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Speaker 2: broke and this trip could change that. David and Paul

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Speaker 2: are on their way to London to sign a deal

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Speaker 2: where David says they'll sell a chunk of their company

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Speaker 2: for three million dollars.

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Speaker 3: According to David, the.

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Speaker 2: Investor who wants to buy a steak in Eate Models

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Speaker 2: is none other than Tom Barrick, who you may know

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Speaker 2: as President Trump's real estate mogul buddy. Now, we reached

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Speaker 2: out to him and he did not comment, but he

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Speaker 2: was indicted for being a foreign agent for the United

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Speaker 2: Arab Emirates. He was eventually acquitted by a jury and

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Speaker 2: he is now our American Ambassador to Turkey. But way

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Speaker 2: back then in the mid nineties, was just a regular

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Speaker 2: old billionaire and making investments, whether it was small companies

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Speaker 2: or big And David is a real estate guy at heart.

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Speaker 2: He's a businessman, so he's totally starstruck.

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Speaker 4: God love Tom Barrick. He's an amazing man, and he

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Speaker 4: wanted to have a hand in creating and I think

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Speaker 4: they probably wanted a hand and all of the benefits

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Speaker 4: that come with running a modeling agency, like all the

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Speaker 4: women that are everywhere all the time, coming to the

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Speaker 4: parties and the dinners. I'm sure that had something to

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Speaker 2: They arrive in London and they check into their rooms

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Speaker 2: and just note this is David's recollection, this whole story,

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Speaker 2: not Paul's.

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Speaker 4: Paul ends up in this massive suite. I end up

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Speaker 4: in this small room by the water bucket closet.

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Speaker 2: They're due to meet Barrick the next day to close

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Speaker 2: the deal, but Paul has other things on his mind, and.

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Speaker 4: He proceeds to go on this friggin bender with booze

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Speaker 4: weed coke girls in his suite. He's raging. I don't

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Speaker 4: even know, you know, I'm a little tired of him anyway,

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Speaker 4: because he's always doing some stupid shit, and he's too

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Speaker 4: cold for school, and it's just always you know, this

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Speaker 4: is that it's probably his worst period of his identity

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Speaker 2: And then it comes time to meet Tom Barrick. According

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Speaker 2: to David, he's at a private dining room in Clarridge's Hotel,

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Speaker 2: which is a posh Art Deco favorite of the rich

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Speaker 2: and famous, has been since the nineteenth century. It's just

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Speaker 2: a short jaunt from Buckingham Palace. Here's how David says,

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Speaker 2: the night went down.

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Speaker 4: So friggin elegant, or in this little cave room downstairs

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Speaker 4: is probably fourteen people set up as nice a place,

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Speaker 4: said I've ever been, you know, beautiful servant. My date

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Speaker 4: is there, Tom is there his day to some senate

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Speaker 4: are there? Where's Paul?

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Speaker 5: Under the Paul will be here any second.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to cover him for Paul again.

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Speaker 2: So there's a long stretch of awkward, forced conversation in

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Speaker 2: this luxury dining room.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, Pul's coming any minute yet, fumbaball. There's no

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Speaker 3: And then finally the grand.

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Speaker 4: Entrance, Paul shows up, unshaved, a mess, tuxedo shirt open,

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Speaker 4: and it's all He's just like the coolest guy in

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Speaker 4: the world. I've been partying with all these chicks all

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Speaker 4: of thing. And Barrick is a serious fucking man. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's like, there's a billionaire. It's like, and he looks

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Speaker 4: It was like a ping pong match. It was the

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Speaker 4: You know, like this thing started along.

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Speaker 7: With what and Paul' said no, no, you understand that was

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Speaker 7: like and then barr said something like, now, dude, that's

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Speaker 7: that is uncool, and Paul, like typical Paul, throwing a punch.

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Speaker 7: He's like, well, then fuck something this, fuck you, or

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Speaker 7: fuck fuck this or so he says something.

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Speaker 4: That was like way out of line. And then Barrack said,

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Speaker 4: and this is a quote. You know what, Paul, I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't buy peanuts from a monkey like you.

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Speaker 3: In plain English.

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Speaker 2: The deals off, Paul and David head all the way

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Speaker 2: back to LA without having sold a single peanut.

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Speaker 4: On the way home, I'm like, dude, I can't do

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Speaker 4: this anymore. He's like, well, you fucked that whole thing up.

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Speaker 4: I'm like me, I fucked the whole thing up. Brother,

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Speaker 4: Take a look at the mirror and see what really happened.

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Speaker 4: And from that point forward, I left. I quit the

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Speaker 2: Now Paul's down a friend and a coworker, down a

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Speaker 2: on the receiving end of a brutal, old timey insult.

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Speaker 2: Paul could have taken any one of these things as

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Speaker 2: what's happening here is kind of obvious, right. Paul has

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Speaker 2: finally become exactly who he always wanted to be. He's

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Speaker 2: a big shot. He's made his imprint on the modeling industry.

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Speaker 2: He's representing the biggest stars. He's partying in Europe with

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Speaker 3: Is absolutely miserable.

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Speaker 2: The huge ego is just cover for the fact the

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Speaker 2: deep down he knows he's given everything he has, every

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Speaker 2: He's gotten a ton of young women into a terrible business.

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Speaker 2: For every Carrie Young who has come out, okay, there's

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Speaker 2: a Jennifer Jimenez who pays to high a price for

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Speaker 2: her career. Paul has wasted his one and precious life

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Speaker 2: and he needs to figure out what the hell he's

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Speaker 2: going to do about it. From iHeart Podcasts and Campside Media,

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Speaker 2: I'm Vanessa Boriotis and this is Model War's episode eight.

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Speaker 2: A big factor in Paul's disillusionment with the modeling industry

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Speaker 2: and his abject terror at where his life was heading

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Speaker 2: was his sister Deborah, because she was not doing well.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Debrah had been battling cancer since she was a teenager,

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Speaker 2: with Paul by her side. You might remember his trick

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Speaker 2: and know that she was still alive. She had gone

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Speaker 2: on to get married and to adopt two children, but

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Speaker 2: her cancer was advancing.

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Speaker 3: She was near the end. She was losing life force.

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Speaker 5: I would pick up Deborah's body and I'd put it

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Speaker 2: All this was happening while Paul was at the height

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Speaker 5: Every time I go to see my sister Deva, she'd

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Speaker 5: like be like, how's Naomi, how's Stephanie. I'm like, you're

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Speaker 5: fucking got chemo in your body and you're asking me

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Speaker 2: And as the days go by, Paul is still rolling calls,

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Speaker 2: talking to his clients big girls, supermodels.

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Speaker 3: But one day he just loses it.

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Speaker 5: They said, fuck you who, man, We're only making fifty

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Speaker 5: thousand dollars today, and there's some other bitch making seventy

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Speaker 5: five thousand dollars. I said, you're fucking kidding me. You're

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Speaker 5: fucking kidding me. My sister's fighting for her fucking life

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Speaker 5: and you're pissed off if you made fifty thousand dollars today.

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Speaker 5: Fuck you. And then I swore I would never be

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Speaker 2: But Paul still has his company. In the wake of

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Speaker 2: and he hopes it'll just run itself.

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Speaker 5: And I locked myself in my house for a year,

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Speaker 5: and I never stepped outside my house. One year. I'd

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Speaker 5: have parties there, people come and visit me, my staff

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Speaker 5: I couldn't create one more fucking kid. I swore that

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Speaker 5: I would never make anyone famous ever again. When you're

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Speaker 5: and you're talking about Vogue, for God's sakes.

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Speaker 2: So Deborah is still in decline and Paul is in

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Speaker 5: I just said fuck the world, and I just decided

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Speaker 5: to not talk to people, to talk to people, but

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Speaker 5: just in my surroundings, but not to make anybody kept

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Speaker 5: the agencies open. They weren't doing as good as they

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Speaker 2: Paul's just hanging out in his house, smoking a lot

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Speaker 5: Literally twelve months inside my house, never going out at all,

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Speaker 2: So a booker at it Models comes up with an

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Speaker 5: They came to me, they said, Paul, I know you

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Speaker 5: like to smoke pot There's this girl named Lazette for Dow.

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Speaker 5: She's fifteen years old and she's in Holland.

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Speaker 2: And Holland at the time is like mecca for potheads.

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Speaker 2: This is long before legalization in California. Paul doesn't really

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Speaker 5: I get to Holland and I got to go to

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Speaker 2: So Paul's traveling through the Dutch countryside he's probably passing

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Speaker 5: And there little cobblestone street that I walk down and

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Speaker 5: I get to the door of this person's, this kid's

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Speaker 5: knock on the door. I go to a coffee shop.

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Speaker 5: I spoke a joint of purple ganja, I have an espresso.

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Speaker 5: I get enough courage, I go back on a knock

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Speaker 5: I and Jok and Avert. That's that's Lisette's mom and dad,

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Speaker 5: Yoka and Avertt. They greet me with some crumb cakes,

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Speaker 5: like these apple crumb cakes. I started eating on stone.

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Speaker 5: I started eating these crap apple crumb cakes. And I

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Speaker 5: look over and there's a six foot girl true story,

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh shit, that's the most beautiful kid

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I had pictures of her, but she didn't

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Speaker 5: look like that, like white pearly skin and just like

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Speaker 5: you gotta be kidding.

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Speaker 2: Me, And just seeing this girl brings back the old Paul.

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Speaker 5: And I'm in my rap. Now I can make your

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Speaker 5: If anybody ever knocks on this door again, slam the

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Speaker 5: She will become overly sexualized. She will have a bunch

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Speaker 5: And then when you ask her to clean her fucking room,

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Speaker 5: she will not do it. I'm begging you, don't let

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Speaker 2: Paul flies back to La, gets back in whatever fancy

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Speaker 2: He's back in the trenches.

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Speaker 5: I brought Lazette into my home and live with me

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Speaker 5: dump the boy. He can come out, but in two

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Speaker 3: And sure enough, she dumps Gasper.

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Speaker 2: And while we won't get into the particulars of Lazette's story,

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Speaker 5: I think anytime you ask a young person five times

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Speaker 2: You got to be kidding me and Paul watching all

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Speaker 5: This time I closed down my agency's La New York

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Speaker 3: And no one cares.

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Speaker 5: Oh I got ghosted by every single supermodel I ever created,

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Speaker 5: Prior to that year. Oh yeah, absolutely they ghosted me

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Speaker 5: hundred percent, one hundred percent on thousand percent, none of them.

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Speaker 5: Remember day one you knocked on my door carry oders,

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Speaker 3: He is really, really, really done.

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Speaker 5: And then I became bankrupt. I lost everything. I lost

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Speaker 2: It's full circle to the end of the Land agency,

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Speaker 2: moment when Paul had just arrived in New York City.

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Speaker 2: He went to a club and he saw the head

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Speaker 5: Models, everyone kissing the fucking ring. I want that.

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Speaker 2: During Paul's time as a model agent, the top agents

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Speaker 2: Casablancas had a sexual relationship with Paul's eventual client, supermodel

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Seymour, when she was only sixteen years old, and

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Speaker 2: sort of reckoning. In nineteen ninety nine, the BBC produced

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Speaker 2: a bombshell documentary on sexual predation at Elite to catch

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Speaker 2: Gerard Marie bragging about his plans to seduce the very

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Speaker 2: young contestants of an elite modeling competition. Now, there were

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Speaker 2: legal problems with the coverage, so we aren't quoting from

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Speaker 2: Some of the men who were accused are still alive,

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Speaker 2: but John Casablancas died of cancer in twenty thirteen when

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Speaker 2: he was seventy years old. Eileen Ford never forgave the

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Speaker 2: survive Casablancas by one year. She died in twenty fourteen

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Speaker 2: when she was ninety two years old, and Jennifer Jimenez

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Speaker 3: It's sad.

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Speaker 9: It's sad what some of those people did to young girls.

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Speaker 9: It's horrible what those men did to young girls.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Gerald Marie, John Castleblancas, all those guys, Karen's Agency,

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Speaker 9: I was groomed, you know, I was groomed by all

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Speaker 9: these people. When the whole Jeffrey Epstein client list thing,

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Speaker 9: like the guy that owned Karen Models He's one of

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Speaker 9: those people that came into my home. There's so many

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Speaker 9: of them. I saw all of them around throughout the

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Speaker 5: Of me modeling.

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Speaker 2: Paul didn't have success in changing the culture of the

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Speaker 2: old card. It's hard to sum up his career like that,

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Speaker 2: that he had and lost many times over the years.

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Speaker 2: Elite Board and the rest are still around today. The

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Speaker 2: and created a whole new group of influencers whose faces

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Speaker 3: To be a well known model, you can be short.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Kylie Jenner is five six, But for a

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Speaker 3: Jennifer fremens again.

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Speaker 9: If you're under eighteen, don't do it. Full time for

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Speaker 9: a living. And if you do do it full time

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Speaker 9: for a living, make sure your mom and dad are

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Speaker 9: that you there's a rule that we talk about in recovery.

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Speaker 9: You say that rule sixty two.

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Speaker 3: Don't take yourself so seriously.

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Speaker 9: You know, Like I mean, it's like, let's just not

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Speaker 3: My whole thing was I was such a people.

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Speaker 9: Please, that's like my main ism that I suffer from

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Speaker 9: from alcoholic It's papable pleasing, Like I'll become whatever you

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Speaker 3: And if you like me, maybe I'll like myself.

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Speaker 9: Well, that's not how we live life today, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 5: You own yourself and don't.

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Speaker 3: Settle for less.

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Speaker 9: Like if you're a model, if you're under eighteen, you

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Speaker 9: in summers. Don't make that just your sole thing.

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Speaker 5: You have so many phases.

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Speaker 9: And if you want a model, like do it the

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Speaker 9: to pay for something, tell them up your ass, like

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Speaker 3: Please do not don't.

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Speaker 9: Pay money to do things with photographers, and do not

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Speaker 9: And if you feel uncomfortable about doing something, then talk

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Speaker 9: if you can't handle that and the rejection and know

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Speaker 9: there's going to be a lot of rejection, even in Hollywood,

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Speaker 9: you know, like there's a lot of rejection. I mean,

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Speaker 9: I think rejections everywhere in this in this day and age.

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Speaker 9: But you know, a rejection on what you looked like

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Speaker 3: Like it bums you out hard. So just know, like

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Speaker 3: it's you're a chameleon.

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Speaker 9: You know that that's what we are with chameleons.

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Speaker 2: Still, things in the industry are more egalitarian in some ways.

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Speaker 5: You know, to become a famous model, you have to

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Speaker 5: the whole European trip in Paris was such an important market.

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Speaker 5: Now people are creating stars right out of freaking Alabama.

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Speaker 5: Now there's people in Alabama going directly to Vogue, people

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Speaker 2: So we just talked about how the modeling industry has

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Speaker 2: Billy Dijiglio, Well, he eventually met the fate of so

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Speaker 10: They ended up making a million dollars a year profit

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Speaker 10: from mepenthetamine I was selling and this guy Oka Hawaii,

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Speaker 10: so I was having me send him stuff, and I

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Speaker 10: guess he got busted over there and he set me up.

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Speaker 3: That was gone for ten years and ten months.

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Speaker 2: Now he's out of jail, living in Nevada with his

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Speaker 2: girlfriend Mary, and he's still a part of Omar and

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Speaker 2: Paul's lives. Oh and let's not forget about Larry Lynde

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Speaker 2: and Michael Fitzmorris. Whatever happened to those guys sometime after

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Speaker 2: Larry died in twenty eleven. Paul, for his part, called

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Speaker 2: Michael Fitzmorris after Larry's death and they reconnected.

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Speaker 6: He says, I had to have to thank you. If

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Speaker 6: it wasn't for you and Larry, he says, I wouldn't

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Speaker 6: be who I am today. So I says, well, thank you.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate that. So that's and we were close enough

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Speaker 6: that thirty nine years doesn't matter, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I know it sounds like a long time, but now

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Speaker 6: we can get together and be like yesterday. Friendship is

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Speaker 6: important thing in life, because without friendship, what good is money?

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Speaker 2: And maybe there's even a possibility for a second act.

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Speaker 5: All I can say is I.

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Speaker 6: Wish we could do it again, you know, and maybe

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Speaker 6: I can with Paul.

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Speaker 5: You know, maybe I can help Paul out if.

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Speaker 11: He needs help, you know, Is there's any way he

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Speaker 6: Its financial? Whatever, I ran into.

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Speaker 11: sold thousands and thousands of acres for a lot of

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Speaker 11: Paul knows he's seeing the deal and I sent it

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Speaker 11: to him, and so if he needs help in anyway,

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Speaker 2: As for Paul, he ended up finding faith at the

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Speaker 2: Kabala Center. Interestingly enough, spirituality led Paul Fisher back into

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Speaker 3: He says, his teacher insisted.

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Speaker 5: Lea says, you have to. You have to.

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Speaker 8: You have to.

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Speaker 5: You have to spread the light, and you have to

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Speaker 5: spread everything we've just taught you. You can't keep it

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Speaker 3: So now Paul is back in the game.

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Speaker 2: He runs a boutique agency and only represents a few

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Speaker 2: clients and that's it. After sticking with us through all

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Speaker 5: This business plays chicks on your mind and it sucks.

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Speaker 5: It's not real life. What's real life is wiggling your

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Speaker 5: toes to see if you're alive or not. That's real life.

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Speaker 5: And I've tried to make an impact and I don't

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Speaker 5: know if I have or not. I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: But the life you live is real life, whether or

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Speaker 2: not it feels real. And the wars you fight are

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Speaker 2: the wars you fight, modeling or otherwise. And the impact

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Speaker 2: you have, the legacy you leave, that's for history to judge.

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Speaker 2: We're all finished with Paul's story now, but next week

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Speaker 2: we'll be back to wrap up Model Wars. We've got

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Speaker 2: two episodes left, so please tune in.

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Model Wars was executive produced and hosted

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Speaker 1: by Vanessa Gregoriotis. Our senior writer was Michael kanyon Meyer.

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