1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Quality dators, but Joseph's gotten more. I don't know if 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: it's the way my hands are engineered, or whatever the 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: case might be. Maybe some of you guys have the 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: same problem, and it's not something that has corrected itself. 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: Even when my kids were little and I started trying 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: to figure out how to use a car seat with them, 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: it always end in frustration. And you want to be 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: safe with your children, you know. I remember when my 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: first child came home from the hospital, I was terrified 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: I was going to break something, And so that kind 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: of continues on for a while, you know, And when 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: you put them in that car seat and you're conveying 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: them home. First off, it's the most precious thing in 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: the world, but you're always concerned about safety, and that 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: continues on for me today. You know. I talk about 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: my grandbabies, whom I love dearly. I'd rather spend time 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: with them than mostly adults, and that I encounter in 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: this world. It's certainly more edifying and harper. My youngest 19 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: still requires a car seat, and I don't know if 20 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: it's that she can't buckle it herself, or if she 21 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: wants me to do it for her, because she'll always say, Papa, 22 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: I can't get this buckled, so of course I have to. 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: You know, she's done it before, but I have to 24 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: go back and check. I get out of the car, 25 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: and then she smiles at me as I'm buckling this 26 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: thing up. Of course, I can't resist kissing her forehead 27 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: when I do it. But think about the reptilian like 28 00:01:53,920 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: nature that one must possess to abandon your precious little 29 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: angel strapped in a car seat. As a car begins 30 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: to fill with water, you exit out of the vehicle, 31 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: swim ashore, and ambulate on over to a house immediately 32 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: adjacent to the canal where you've abandoned your child. That's 33 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: what we're going to be talking about today. I want 34 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: to tell you the story of a little girl named Reagan. 35 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body backs, Dave. 36 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: I guess with your grandson now, he's past the age 37 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: of having to requiring a car seat or even a 38 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: booster seat. 39 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: Probably my oldest one is is now older and bigger, 40 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: and and that's a fairly new thing, you know, because 41 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: you go from the seat to the booster and then 42 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: on that. But the other one's my goodin is Lily 43 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: and Mazie are still in car seats, and so is 44 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: Liam for that matter. They're all, oh my, I know, okay, 45 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: but Braylyn is the one that has got he's the 46 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: oldest one, so yeah. 47 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: He's graduated. Yeah, and there's a certain amount of pride. 48 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: It's almost like they're going to another grade. There's a 49 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: certain amount of pride. I remember when Noah was little 50 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: and he made it up to like, I don't know, 51 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: it was like five or six or whatever it was, 52 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: and Noah I took a car seat out, you know, 53 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: and the booster actually, and he was like, I mean 54 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: I get to ride in the seat. I was like, yeah, buddy, 55 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: you're riding in the seat, and so uh, you know, 56 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: and he kind of puffed his chest out and was 57 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: proud of himself at that point. And it is kind 58 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: of a graduation, Dave. And you know, we spend so 59 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: much time trying to take care of these precious angels 60 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: just to get them first off, in the first part 61 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: of their life, just to viability, and then you try 62 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: to again enhance their resiliency physically and mentally in every 63 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: other way. But I'm I'm always astounded at people that 64 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: discard children. And that's the way I regard it. And 65 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: we've actually covered several of these cases where you know, 66 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: children are just you know, they're they're treated like rubbish 67 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: and people just walk away. I guess they just you know, 68 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: feel like that, Well, if I have need of one 69 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: in the future, I'll just create another one. 70 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: Believable, you know. That reminds me of dying downs remember 71 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: her uh, you know, and that whole the idea that 72 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: having another child would replace the one you killed, you know, 73 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: because their death. In this case, we're dealing with Reagan Heron, 74 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: who's just a little thing. She's four years old, beautiful, 75 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: just as cute as a button, a squirrel, and she 76 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: has that as people explain, she's just got that effervescent 77 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 2: personality and just just a child that everybody loves. Her mother, 78 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: Juliet Acosta, is twenty six. Now at four years old, 79 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: you've had a child long enough to you've gone through 80 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: the baby stuff, even if you're a young parent, and 81 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: she was Juliet A Costa having a child at what 82 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: twenty one, twenty two. By twenty six, you've bonded with 83 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: the child, you know each other, and I would expect 84 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: nothing less than that child being the center of your universe. 85 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: You've had years now to get used to this, to 86 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: plan ahead so that you don't drive drunk with your 87 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: child in the car. That's part one. That you learn 88 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 2: certain things, even if you're an idiot when you're younger, 89 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: after you've been a parent for a few years, you 90 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: learn and you grow, and if you don't, you end 91 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: up like Juliette Acosta allegedly is. She leaves a party 92 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: with her child in the back seat. They're driving home. 93 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: And I'm a little curious on some of the dynamics 94 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: here with the family, not in an accusatory way, merely 95 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: in a geographical location of family, because as Juliette Acosta 96 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: is driving home, her four year old daughter in the 97 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: back seat in her car seat. But there is a 98 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: time on the road when Juliet is not in total 99 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: control of the vehicle. She actually swerves off the left 100 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: hand shoulder and clips a telephone pole and then gets 101 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: back into the middle of the road, kind of pushed 102 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: back in and goes up an embankment and crashes into 103 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: a canal, a water canal, And it's loud enough to 104 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: be heard by people who live nearby. One of the 105 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: people who lives nearby this can and this car now 106 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: upside down in the canal is Acosta's uncle. And this uncle, 107 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: because of the noise, makes it to the scene, so 108 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: does another neighbor who actually has a car, actually has 109 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: the phone, you know, calling nine one one and everything. 110 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: When Acosta's uncle gets to the scene, he actually helps 111 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: get her out of the car, Juliete Acosta. And when 112 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: the neighbor shows up, she says she sees the two 113 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: of them standing on the vehicle in the water. They're 114 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: on top of it, and the neighbor says she hears 115 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: them saying there's a child, but she doesn't know if 116 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: the child is in the car. If the child is 117 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: in the water, she doesn't know. And it's eleven o'clock 118 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: at night, it's dark, and it's late, and people are already embedded. 119 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: This is a big shock to your system to figure 120 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: out what happened and what's going on, And that's what 121 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: the describes. So in this moment, we now know juliet 122 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: Acosta is out of the vehicle. She was the driver. 123 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: Her uncle is standing there with her on top of 124 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: the car, and the neighbor hears them say there's a child, 125 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: but she doesn't know exactly where. Now, what would you 126 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: expect to happen next, Joe Scott Morgan. 127 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: Well, I would expect that people would begin to dive 128 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: into the water and try to extricate this child, and 129 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: that you would you would do anything possible in order 130 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: to facilitate that and drag this child out by any 131 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: means possible. And you know you said a lot this 132 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: was eleven o'clock at mind, and so at eleven o'clock 133 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: at night. And I would submit to you, Dave, that 134 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: in this in this canal, even if it was eleven 135 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, you probably couldn't see your hand 136 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: in front of your face and dove down pretty duringthing. 137 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: These are irrigation canals, which is for me, is fascinating 138 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: about this particular area. And I was looking at some 139 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: maps because I've never I've been, I've driven through, I 140 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: guess correct me, because I know you're a native Californian. 141 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: But on I five, which is the main you know, 142 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: North South roadway or interstate through California, you drive through 143 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: the San Joaquin Valley and you know it's renowned for 144 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: being like one of the most fertile places, fertile places 145 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: in the nation, or used to be, I would assume, 146 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: provided they can actually get water. And these canals were 147 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: designed many, many years ago in order to facilitate that. 148 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: And their concrete dave, which is fascinating to me because 149 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: it's not you know, I'm from South Louisiana and so 150 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: we have canals all over the place. But guess what, anyway, 151 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: they're not concrete. Matter of fact, they have to be 152 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: dredged ou out over time to keep them flowing. And 153 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: their mud mud based bottoms. You know, what I found 154 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: out was kind of interesting. You know what the primary 155 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: agricultural product is for this area, and it requires a 156 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: copious amount of water to grow almonds? Almonds? 157 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah's got nuts. 158 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. And when you take a look 159 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: at some of the Google views going up and down 160 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: the road, you can actually see in many spots you 161 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: see these almond groves that are you know, that are 162 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: lining the road. So this is part you know what 163 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: the point I'm making is, this is not New Territory. 164 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: She's actually from I think it's Richland or Oakland Oakdale, 165 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: not Oakland Oakdale, California. This is in. 166 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: Stanislaus. Yeah, Saslas County And just to hear you guys 167 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: an idea and I missed this. I should have done that, 168 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 2: I didn't. We're actually dealing with an area about twenty 169 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 2: miles outside of Modesto. It is to the west of 170 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 2: San Francisco of the Bay Area. Stanislaus County is a 171 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,599 Speaker 2: big county, but again just giving you an idea of 172 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: where we are talking about, it's the biggest city nearby 173 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: is going to be San Francisco. 174 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: Well, and you know this thing about it is when 175 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: this mother, you know, lights out from that party that night, 176 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: this is not new territory for her. No, this is 177 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: probably an area that she's driven through. She has an 178 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: awareness of the surroundings, you know that sort of thing. 179 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: And it's not like she's driving on a mountain side 180 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: you know that's wrapped around a mountain and you know 181 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: you get switched back turns and all that stuff. Day. 182 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: This thing is straight straight as an arrow. It's like 183 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: a long what do you call it? Straightaway? Essentially like 184 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: if you look at a race track or a drag race, 185 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: it's it's straight away. It's engineered to be that way. 186 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: How drunk, how inebriated, how absent or good judgment must 187 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: you be in order to make this sort of thing happen, Dave, 188 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: Because it's the houses are so close to the edge 189 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: of this thing. I understand why they heard this. First off, 190 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: she's driving what they are describing as an suv, which 191 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: is a Subaru suv, So we're not talking about some 192 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: big truck, but we're talking about a vehicle that's probably 193 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: all will drive all the time. She's familiar with the vehicle. 194 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: She's so familiar that she has a car seat in 195 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: the back seat that's strapped in there that belongs to Reagan. 196 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: So it's not like this is new equipment that she's 197 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: utilizing here. And that's just one of a myriad of 198 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: things that really gets my blood boiling on this case, 199 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: because there's no excuse. You can't say that it's mechanical error. 200 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: What it comes down to, if you really want to 201 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: look at it, this is pure unadulterated operator error with 202 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: alcohol added to the mix. So, Dave, juliet Acosta had 203 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: been consuming the firewater that night, or as my grandpa 204 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: used to like to say, she had been pulling a 205 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: cork and you know, had been imbibing. And I'll get 206 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: to it in a minute. We can talk about her 207 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: blood alcohol level, but can you kind of give us 208 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: the run up to what had been occurring that night. Now, 209 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how much we have at this point 210 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: because this is a very fresh case. 211 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: Well you say very fresh case, and you're right, And 212 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: I need to go back and mention something, Joe, because 213 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: I think we've intimated a number of things that didn't 214 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: actually say that. Juliet Acosta has crashed her vehicle into 215 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: an irrigation canal. It's upside down in the water. She 216 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: gets out and she's seen with her uncle standing on 217 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: the undercarriage of the vehicle by a neighbor. No sign 218 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: of Reagan heron the four year old daughter, who is 219 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: still strapped in the vehicle. They don't know that, they 220 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: don't know where she is. So when nine one one 221 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: is called and deputies are dispatched very quickly, they arrive 222 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: on the scene and they can't find Rege Juliet Acosta, 223 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: and the deputy is told there's a four year old 224 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: girls where and so while mom isn't there, by the 225 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: time a deputy arrives, Joe, Juliet Acosta has left and 226 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: doesn't know her where her daughter is, does not know 227 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: where her four year old daughter is. Joe, and the 228 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: deputy arrives and immediately jumps in the water, and Juliet 229 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: Acosta is gone when he gets there. So keep that 230 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: in mind for just a minute. Here. Your child is 231 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: not with you and you leave. Who leaves? Who leaves 232 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: their four year old on the side of the canal 233 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: if it's eleven o'clock in the morning, not much less 234 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: eleven o'clock at night, Joe, who does that? Well, Juliet 235 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: Acosta did. She had been driving home from a party 236 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: earlier that evening. And we don't know as much about 237 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: this as we would like to know. And the reason 238 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: is very simple. Police are not telling us anything. We're 239 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: on a need to know basis. They have a case 240 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: of a four year old child who's dead, and they 241 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: have to take this to court and figure out how 242 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: they're going to get a conviction because we still don't 243 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: know where was Ray. We know she was coming home 244 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: from a party. But you know what, Joe, I only 245 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: found that in one article of all the different articles written, 246 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: of all the reports written, there's only one that actually 247 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: says that everybody that reported on it went with that 248 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: information that she was coming from a party. She's drinking. 249 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: She's not found at the scene by police. She's left. 250 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: Now we mentioned earlier it was her uncle that came 251 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: to the scene, so her uncle lives right there, I mean, 252 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: close enough to run to the accident. 253 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: Joe. 254 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: You mentioned how close the houses are to this irrigation canal, 255 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: and that's a big point because we don't know where 256 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: she was headed. You don't know where she was coming from. 257 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: We just know that at eleven o'clock at night, she's 258 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: drunkenly weaving down the road, hits a telephone pole, and 259 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: crashes into a canalopside down, and leaves her four year 260 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: old daughter and leaves the scene. That's what we know, 261 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: and then the deputy arrives. 262 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: I was given some thought to this because anytime you 263 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: have a vehicle related event, and I don't care if 264 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: it's happening on an interstate highway or back road or 265 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: I've worked my sheriff cases, particularly early in my career. 266 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of water in Atlanta. He got 267 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: the Chattoocho River, but other than that, there's not a lot. 268 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: But in South Louisiana, I can almost guarantee water is 269 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: going to play into several desks at least a couple 270 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: of couple of times a month at the corner's office, 271 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: and so I worked my share of those over the years. 272 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: And one of the things that you want to think 273 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: about with a vehicle is a structural intent. And I 274 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: found it fascinating. First off, the distance from what I'm 275 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: understanding from the driveway to where the car wound up 276 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: is about nine hundred feet. It's not like this huge 277 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: number that we're talking about. It's not like she pulled 278 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: out of the driveway and floored it and went down 279 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: a mile. I mean, we're talking really close. And the 280 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: sound this reverberation that took place. She did strike this 281 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: utility pole and kind of glanced or bounced off of it, 282 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: and then that you know, cast her over the side 283 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: of this it's a concrete trench, is essentially what occurred. 284 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: So one of the things I was considering was if 285 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: she had not hit the pole and went into the water. 286 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: Cars can float, you know, to a certain degree. You 287 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: know they'll they'll have a bit of buoyancy. If the 288 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: windows are up, in particular, you've got an air bubble 289 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: for a time that's in there. But once you breach 290 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: the structure of the vehicle, and maybe this happen because 291 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: we're still not sure where this strike took place on 292 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: the pole, and that's something that probably CHP will be 293 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: taking a look at because they've got fantastic accident reconstructionists 294 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: with that organization. They're going to look at the structure 295 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: of this car because you know, as you mentioned, I 296 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: don't want to gloss over this. We're talking about a 297 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: mother who rightly so has been charged not with vehicular day, 298 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: but with murder. With murder. That's where the DA's mind 299 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: is with this. Okay, So they're going to cover every 300 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: jot and tittle along the way with this. So you've 301 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: got a car that glances off the pole and then 302 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: it inverts into the water. Now that in and of 303 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: itself is very disorientating. Okay. Any kind of air bubble 304 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: that may have been in there, may have may have 305 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: been compromised. But what do we know about people, and 306 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: this is just kind of me throwing this out there 307 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 1: to you. What do we know about people that are 308 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: drunk driving at night? What do they do with their windows? 309 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: Many times got to. 310 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: Give them down? See you stay awaken alert. 311 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you want that wind blowing on your face. 312 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: And again, you know you can't convict her over roll 313 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: down windows. You know, anybody can say, well, I like 314 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: to I like rolling with my windows down, you know. 315 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: But if the windows were down all of a sudden, 316 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: when this car inverts, and when I'm saying invert, I'm 317 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: talking about this thing is on its roof in the water, 318 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: so everything is backwards. Okay, when you begin to think 319 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: about orientation, spatial orientation. If she's drunk, I don't know 320 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: how the heck she got out of the vehicle unless 321 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: she crawled out of the window. Was she even buckled herself? 322 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: Did her airbags deploy that sort of thing? Well, if 323 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 1: it was a soft landing in the water, they might 324 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: not have deployed. So she's not going to have the 325 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: sing in her face for that. It's not going to 326 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: stun her because many times airbags willing. And I'm sure 327 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: that we have friends out there that can attest to 328 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: the fact that being around an air bag deploying or 329 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: being on the receiving end of the scene is like 330 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: getting punched in the face. All right, It's not something 331 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean people there have been people that have had 332 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: their glasses driven into their eyes by these things. Okay, 333 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: So it's like taking a punch to the face many times. 334 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: It's disorienting. So we don't know have that data, but 335 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: I do know this. As the car is inverting, you're 336 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: going to have this intrusion of water into this thing. 337 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: And here's the thing I couldn't figure out, Dave, I 338 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: think these canals are set up with locks, okay, and 339 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: so as I'm wondering how much current there is, if 340 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: it's twisting the vehicle around or if it's staying stable, 341 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: because I got to tell you, I was shocked the 342 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: other day. I started looking into this case and Dave, 343 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: on average, do you know how deep these things are? 344 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: They're thirty feet deep, man, thirty feet and so I'm 345 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: thinking at thirty feet man, that's three stories high. Is 346 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: this a space where it wasn't that deep? Maybe there's 347 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: kind of an undulation to it right there where the 348 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: car has come to rest, because if it's inverted and 349 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: you've got water intrusions, think's still floating above the surface. 350 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: I mean, what was it that you said the uncle 351 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: and somebody with a phone had already gotten on top 352 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: of the undercarriage of the vehicle right now. 353 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: When the neighbor, okay, the car the vehicle upside down, 354 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 2: and when the neighbor arrives on the scene, she sees 355 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: the uncle and Acosta standing on top of the under carriage. 356 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: And that's the key here, because they couldn't. That's how 357 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: the neighbor was saying. She was really frustrated. She goes 358 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 2: she knew they were talking about there's a little girl missing. 359 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: Well is she in the car or is she in 360 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: the water? You know, That's what the neighbor was saying. 361 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: And the thing is is that juliet A Costa leaves 362 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 2: the scene before police arrive. When a deputy arrives, he 363 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: finds the uncle and the neighbor, and the uncle tells 364 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: the deputy there's a four year old girl missing. We 365 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: can't find her, and the deputy immediately Joe heroically jumps 366 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: into this canal water and gets under it and pulls 367 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 2: the little girl out. Reagan was in her car seat 368 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: in that vehicle. Now, we do not know exactly how 369 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: long yet. That will come out later on we'll be 370 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: able to determine at what point in time the deputy 371 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: arrived on scene. We know that he got out and 372 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: was performing CPR as he's pulling the little girl out 373 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: of the water. Okay, they get her onto an ambulance 374 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: and she is taken to the hospital. Reagan died at 375 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: the hospital the next day. Now back up here for 376 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 2: a minute. As I mentioned, when the deputy arrives juliet 377 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: A Costa, the mother is gone, meaning she crashes her 378 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: car into the canal. Her uncle helps her get out 379 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: of the car and she leaves the scene without knowing 380 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 2: where her daughter is. Is she in the car, is 381 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: she down the river? We don't know, and she's gone 382 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: nowhere to be found. Now, this is where the reporting 383 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: gets really screwy. This happened on March eighth, and the 384 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: reason it's a fresh story is there was a double 385 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: whammy of arrest. I'm going to speed up here. March eighth, 386 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: the accident happens. They find juliet A Costa. When they 387 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: go to a find out from her what happened. She's 388 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: taking a bath when deputies arrived. Now they go to 389 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: a residence. They won't tell us what residence, but knowing 390 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: that her uncle lives right there at the canal where 391 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: the accident happened, I'm not going to assume it was 392 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: his house. But I'm going to assume it was a 393 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: home that she knew people there, because Howard deputies at 394 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: you know, after eleven o'clock at night, know which house 395 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: to go to to find the woman. So they find 396 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: her in a residence. She's not at the car where 397 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: most of us would be diving back and forth trying 398 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: to find our child. We wouldn't leave our child. We 399 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: would be right there fighting for her life. But no, 400 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 2: Juliet Acosta is at taking a bath somewhere. Her lawyer 401 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 2: says she wasn't, but she was. Police had that in 402 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: their original report. When they found her. She's in a 403 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 2: residence taking a bath. They charged her with DUI shed 404 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 2: Her blood alcohol test comes back nearly three times legal drunk. 405 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: Point zero eight is legal drunk. So you're talking twenty 406 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 2: four now. 407 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, point twenty four him. 408 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: She's arrested and charged with DUI. She releases on bond 409 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: the next day. Now they're doing their investigation because Rachel, 410 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: her daughter, died, and as you just mentioned a minute ago, 411 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 2: that juliet A Costa has now been charged with murder. Now, 412 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: it took time between the time of the accident. In 413 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 2: the first week of March and till last Friday, when 414 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: you and I were in the Hamptons, she gets arrested. 415 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: Juliet A Costa does now. Her lawyer had made arrangements 416 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 2: with deputies in Stanislaus County to take her in and 417 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: have her booked on the extra charges that have now 418 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: been added to this crime. But she didn't show up. 419 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: According to the deputies and the prosecutor, that she was 420 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: trying to flee. They actually track her down to a 421 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: hotel in San Francisco and arrest her there with her dad. 422 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 2: Her dad is detained on they thought he was trying 423 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: to help her escape to flee justice, and that he 424 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: was detained. He was never charged, but he was detained 425 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 2: on that. 426 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: Now, well, you know, San Francisco does have an international airport, 427 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: a large one that I flown into several times, and 428 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: you know that would be my first thought, because I 429 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: got to tell you if this was my baby, and 430 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: I know it's not, but if it were mine, I'd 431 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: be in sackcloth and ashes. I would be I'm pulling 432 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: my hair out, crying out to anyone that would listen 433 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: to me. But you're telling me, or what the police 434 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: are saying is that when they found her. She's in 435 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: a hotel room in San Francisco. I hope the view 436 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: was really good, because I got to tell you, the 437 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: view that she potentially could have is not going to 438 00:27:43,640 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: be quite as picturesque. I'm looking at several images right 439 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: now as we chat, Dave, and I've got booking images 440 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: of Acosta. In addition to that, I've got an image 441 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: of Acosta with a group of other females I guess 442 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: friends or maybe family. And in this image, Reagan appears 443 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: to be, in my estimation at least, appears to be 444 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: maybe maybe too okay. And the reason I'm telling you 445 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: this is that in both images, the one where she's 446 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: in the group and she's smiling, holding this child on 447 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: her hit and just kind of let me describe this 448 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: to you, Reagan's absolutely beautiful. She's got her hair up 449 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: in little piggy tails. She's wearing kind of a purple 450 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: maroon cordullary jumper. She's got a little western vest on 451 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: as well, and Dave, she's wearing little purple cowboy boots 452 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: in this picture, and she looks now and I'm referring 453 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: to the mother Acosta like she probably weighs less now 454 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: than she did then. And just let me run down 455 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: some figures to you. Okay, if they're saying she's three 456 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: times three times a legal limit here, and legal limit, 457 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: as you had mentioned in Calli, is as it is 458 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: over most of the state, or most of the states, 459 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: it's point zero eight. Okay. With Reagan on board in 460 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: that car, she had three times a legal limit, which 461 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: would put her at point two four BAC. And to 462 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: kind of frame it in, let's just say that right now, 463 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: at this time in her life, Okay, she weighs maybe 464 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty pounds, and I'm talking about Acosta, Dave, 465 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: in order to get to the level that she's at 466 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: relative to how much alcohol she consumed. And of course 467 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: alcohols vary, Okay, so a beer is not going to 468 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: be the same as wine, just like wine is not 469 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: the same as whiskey. But on average, Dave, she will 470 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: have had to have consumed seven to eight alcoholic beverages 471 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: for them to have pulled a BAC of point two four. 472 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Remember what we said. She had 473 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: been taking a bath, all right, so she had had 474 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: time to maybe luxuriate, you know, in the bubbles there 475 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: in the warm bath and all the while, what's her 476 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: body doing. Well, her body is metabolized in the alcohol. 477 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: Now obviously not all of it's going to be gone. 478 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: I've had enough alcohol on board that I've gone to 479 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: bed at night and woke up and I was still drunk, 480 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: all right. And of course, hey, look, I'm chief from 481 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: our centers man and friends too. I mean, how many 482 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: of us have ever encountered a friend and they might 483 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: be clean and scrubbed and everything, and you see them 484 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: the next morning and they're smiling, they walk up to 485 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: you and they reek you know, you can just smell 486 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: it coming off of them. So that level of impairment, 487 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: that level of impairment. Day, she's not in the like 488 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: comatose range, don't misunderstand me, but her ability to navigate 489 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: the complexities of a two lane roadway at night in 490 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: a vehicle where she is this drunk's gonna be greatly compromised. 491 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: Like your motor responses are very very slow. That's you know, 492 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: we talked about one of the things that we see 493 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: with people that have imbibed and they rolled down their windows. 494 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: Another feature that comes along with this is the slow driver. 495 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: This is one of the things cops always look out 496 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: for slow drivers breaking center lane, wind does roll down 497 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: music all the way up. The one I like is 498 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: the windows all the way down and the air conditioning 499 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: all the way up at the same time. That's a classic. 500 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: And so you've got all of these little features that 501 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: cops will look for. Well, she wasn't there when they 502 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: rolled up. But who was there? Well, Reagan was there, Dave, 503 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: inverted strapped in a car seat. Now, how many of 504 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: us have seen some movie where a car goes off 505 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: off of a ledge and winds up in a body 506 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: of water. One of the things that I'm thinking of 507 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: James Bond movie here or something like that. There's always 508 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: that And I can't, by the way, I can't watch 509 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: submarine movies. They unnerve me. I hate the thought of 510 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: that Clausterphobi. Hats off to anybody in the sub service 511 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: that has served our country. I don't see how you 512 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: do it. The idea when a sub or something begins 513 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: to fill up, where they look for, Well, they look 514 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: for that air bubble that's at the top, Dave, That's 515 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: that's not what Reagan would have been experiencing. What's water 516 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: going to do? Well? If those windows are open, the 517 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: windows are open, the water is going to see the 518 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: lowest point of gravity. I mean, just go in the bathroom, 519 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: take a cup, fill it up. The water doesn't go 520 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: to the rim. When you fill it up, begin filling 521 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: it up, it goes to the bottom. Well, Reagan is 522 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: at the bottom, okay, because the car is inverted, water 523 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: is filling the cabin of the car. Now, at best, 524 00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: in my estimation, our little feet dangling off the edge 525 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: of the car seat which she strapped into may have 526 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: been dry for a little while. But the car begins 527 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: to fill up slowly. So what's this the equivalent of Well, 528 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: just imagine this. You're laying on your back on a 529 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: table and someone takes a pitcher of water. Now you 530 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: can't hold your head up, which Reagan could not have 531 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: because she's strapped in the car seat. It would be 532 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: like someone taking a gallon jug of water and pouring 533 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: it directly into your nostrils. And you're taking this on board. 534 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: You have no choice. She's four years old. She doesn't 535 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: know to hold her breath. You see where this is going. 536 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: She doesn't know to hold her breath, so she is 537 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: literally taking this water into her lungs. She's taking this 538 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: water into her stomach. Now here's something key that goes 539 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: to timeline. It is said that she was not declared 540 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: dead until the next morning. I'm surprised by that. I'm 541 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: surprised that she had some sign of life. I don't 542 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: know if it was some kind of like what they 543 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: refer to as an agonal respiration, faint heartbeat, whatever the 544 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: case might be. But one of the things that you 545 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: have to overcome in a circumstance like this is that 546 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: her sinuses would have been filled with water. And just 547 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: because she expirates the water, which means blowing out, doesn't 548 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: mean that everything's going to come in. And here's another thing. 549 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: This precious little baby is taking on gulps of water 550 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: and this is also going down her airway through her trachea, 551 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: taking on water into her lungs. Literally, Now a little 552 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: kid that is this age their lungs, I think probably 553 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: for there's not a lot of difference between little boys 554 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: and little girls at four relative Antomically, I'm talking about 555 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: organs here. I'm not talking about any other features. What 556 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm talking about is how environmental environmental impacts the environment 557 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: that they're in. It's quite plausible that her little lungs 558 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: in life probably should have weighed I don't know, probably 559 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: seventy to eighty grams each. The lighter lung is always 560 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: going to be the left lung because it only has 561 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: two lobes, you know, the heart overlays kind of overlays 562 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: are is positioned adjacent to the left lung. So left 563 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: lung's only got two lobes. Right lung's got three lobes. 564 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: And so she's, you know, taking in this water and 565 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 1: there's no way to blow it out because you're blowing 566 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: back out into an aquatic environment. So she's taking this 567 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: on and I don't really know if she's strapped into 568 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: the car seat, how well was she strapped into the 569 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: car seat, Did she sustain any other kind of injuries 570 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: in this environment. We do know that she had to 571 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: be freed from this thing in order to facilitate her extrication. 572 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: So when they got her out, it's my understanding that 573 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: they immediately began to do CPR, and God blessed these 574 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: people for doing this. They're going to be pushing a 575 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: lot of water out of her, more than likely, but 576 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to get all of 577 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: that water out of her lungs, there will be some 578 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: remnant and lungs can become also hemorrhagic as a result 579 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: of being in water like this, so you'll get these 580 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: focal areas of hemorrhage and the lungs as well. Lungs 581 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: are really delicate, distraining and it wouldn't surprise me to 582 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: see perhaps some hemor hemorrhagic changes in her airway as well. Dave, 583 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: and any kind of foreign objects that are floating out there. 584 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: We're talking about we're talking about an agricultural canal, So 585 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: what's running off, Well, if you just look at a 586 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: molecular level, you might have any number of types of pesticides, 587 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: those sorts of things. If that got into her system, 588 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: that did that impact her viability for life? Is she 589 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: taking on mud that may have gathered at the bottom 590 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: of this canal? Is it free floating in there? There 591 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: are runoff that contains say, like leaves, clippings, anything like 592 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: that that's coming off of these trees and any associated grass. 593 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: This is a very complex event that has occurred in 594 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: the fact that she actually survived until the next morning. 595 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: To me, I don't want to use the term miracle here, 596 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: but it's fascinating It's really intriguing because we have an 597 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: understanding that she had life in her day. And here's 598 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: the thing that will really put you in a twist here. Now, 599 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: assuming that this child was not a neeebre headed like 600 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: her mother, she would have had an environmental understanding, that 601 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: is her surroundings. Can you imagine being bundled up by 602 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: mommy Mobby's been imbibing. She takes you out to the 603 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: car and you're strapped in the seat. This is something 604 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: that has been done hundreds of times before. We know. 605 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: We get in mommy's car and we're going back to 606 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: our house. I'm going back to my bed with my toys. Okay, 607 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: but that's not what happened that night, Dave. My supposition 608 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: is that she was awaken alert. Perhaps maybe she drifted off, 609 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: but I can tell you when she woke up. She 610 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: woke up when that car impacted that pole, if she 611 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: was asleep prior to that. I mean, how many times 612 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: have you and I put our babies and our grand 613 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: babies in a car when they're sleep, you know, you 614 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: kind of waken, you know, take them out, and then 615 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: we'll take them out and you know, try to keep 616 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: as quiet as possible. She woke up with that initial impact. 617 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: And I think that everybody can identify with this. Have 618 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: you ever had that moment where maybe a deer jumped 619 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: out in front of you, or you hit something, and 620 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your breathing changes, doesn't it You 621 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: have hyper awareness, you're shallow breathing, you know, like this, 622 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: When she hit that pole, she would have had an awareness, 623 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: Her senses would have been initiated to the point where 624 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: she's hyper vigilant. Now, maybe Mommy screamed at that moment 625 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: and she's hit the pole. This child is in the backseat, 626 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: strapped in. She can't go anywhere, she can't move her 627 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: arms other than in that seat. She can't kick her 628 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: little legs to get away because she's strapped down. And 629 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: to make matters worse, now you're flying through the air. 630 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: My goodness, what's happening. We're not going home. Maybe you 631 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: hit the side of this embankment. There's a large thud, 632 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: Maybe the car twist almost barrel rolls in the air 633 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: because of this odd position that the car is in 634 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: this attitude, the car inverts, lands in the water, and 635 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: the next thing you know, you're screaming out. Like any 636 00:41:53,600 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: four year old, Mommy, Mommy, mommy, But Mommy's not there. 637 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: The next thing you know, your face is wet. It's 638 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: going up to your chin. Now you're wasted, and you 639 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: can no longer breathe because there's no air to breathe. 640 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: It's been replaced by water. My friends, as we learn 641 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,720 Speaker 1: more about this case, we're going to explore it more deeply. 642 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: I want to be able to tell Reagan's story in full. 643 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: I want to know what actually happened to her that night. 644 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: We'll be following as we go along. I'm Joseph Scott 645 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: Morgan and this is Body Backs