1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. Learn more at Pacificoffice dot com. 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: J J. Watt in the backfield j J. Watt, Baby 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Hunter to the ten, to the five and end of 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: the end zone for the touchdown. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: presented by Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacificoffice dot com. Problem 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: solved touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: All that was nasty. Writer rights, the latest news and 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: notes from the insiders who cover the teams. Drilled by Simmons. 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, Bring it on. 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: Slim the ground by Buda Baker like a torpedo. He 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield. Pinks Garten. Nobody Here's Paul 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: caldc Well. Was three plays from scrimmage into the Cardinals 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Week fourteen game, and already they had lost their franchise quarterback, 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: Kylo Murray for the rest of the season. It's Cardinals 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: Underground Paul Calvc, Danny Serect, Darren Urban. In fact, it 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: was pretty much the first entry I made in my 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: little game log in my notebook here that I have 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: for on every season, and so what's up that you 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: wanted a podcast? That was the note you made. No, 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: the note was Kyler Murray scramble, slash injured, slash non 22 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: contact slash, cart parentheses, towel overhead. Then I put Colt 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: McCoy next. That was my shorthand as to the events 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: of the moment. And sure enough, less than twenty four 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: hours later, it was confirmed by the head coach that 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is done for the year, at least this season. 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: Torn ACL don't know what a realistic or best case 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: scenario would be in terms of a timetable. It varies 29 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: with certain players and certain injuries. You could be a 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, you could be a Tyrann Matthew. There are 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: different examples of this over the years. Joe Burrow, for example, 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: when did Joe Burrow get injured during his It was 33 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: fairly it was year right, it was midway. I think 34 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: it was pretty way. I think it was midway. We 35 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: were we were definitely enough into the season where you're like, okay, 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and then he got hurt. I mean, it 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: wasn't this late though. Doesn't matter that Joe Burrow makes 38 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: his living almost exclusively with his arm, not his legs. 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: I will say this, I've watched a couple of Bengals 40 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: games of late. He runs, he doesn't He's not like Kyler, 41 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: but he he'll run and and you know, again I think, 42 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean, is there is this going to be a factor. 43 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: Of course it's going to be. You know, one of 44 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: the things. The first things I think about is Kyler 45 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: and you know, he needs to be one hundred percent 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable coming back from a hamstring. I don't 47 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: know what that means when you're talking about coming back 48 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: from macl but um, I think this is all kind 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: of uncharted territory for him, for the rest of us 50 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: watching it, and what it means for him. For a 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: guy that has grown up black with a lot of 52 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: athletic talent, who, as far as I know, and I'm 53 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: pretty sure, has never suffered any kind of significant injury, 54 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: How does this? How does he handle that? Well? Not 55 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: only that, but mentally, it's a lot to come back 56 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: from a big injury like this, especially for a player 57 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: who utilizes his legs the way that Kyler Murray does. 58 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: And it'll be interesting to see the type of mental 59 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: strength to go out and really trust his body and 60 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: trust his legs when he gets to that point. But 61 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: it will be interesting, of not to look too far ahead, 62 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: but the recovery process, and I think a lot of that. 63 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: You know, you still have to do testing and you 64 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: have to when you're in there and surgery and see 65 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: what you have of if it's a clean you know, 66 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: just torn acl the way that surgery and medicine and 67 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: science and you know, they have their recovery time for 68 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: that down. But if there's a little more than that, 69 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: that obviously extends the recovery process. So it'll be interesting 70 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 1: to see once they get through surgery and if we're 71 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: able to hear any sort of updates and then in 72 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: a couple months kind of see how the recovery process 73 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: is doing of how early into next season will Kyler 74 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: Murray be able to go. Yeah, I mean, let's face 75 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: a Paul. I mean, we're recording this literally about an 76 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: hour or so a little over an hour after Cliff 77 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Kingsbury confirmed it. Obviously the news has been coming out 78 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: throughout the day he got the MRI. But I mean, 79 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: we don't even know when he's going to be able 80 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: to have surgery, because that's a situation usually where they 81 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: let the injury calm down and the swelling go down, 82 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: and that's different for every single person. For example, Max 83 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: Williams just recently revealed it was a lot more than 84 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: just an ACL, the tight end who went down Week 85 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: five up two twenty one. It was there were nerve 86 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: issues and is Nei'll never quite be the same, he'll 87 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: never even walk with the same gate again, Max Williams 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: sharing with the media, and we found that out, you know, 89 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: more than a year after the injury. So Dennis Gardeck 90 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: had the ACL, and sure he played last year, but 91 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't until the offseason he admitted, yeah, you know, 92 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: I was back. I was you know, I was cleared 93 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: and declared healthy enough and not a threat to reinjure it, 94 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: and I was able to get through a season. But 95 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't until some of those May mini camps where 96 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, now I finally feel like I did 97 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: two years ago. I mean, you mentioned Tyron, Matthew Tyron 98 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: that that first year he got hurt, the first time 99 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: he injured his ACL twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, was not great, 100 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: and then he comes back and has a magnificent twenty 101 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: fifteen season. Tears his ACL at the end of that year, 102 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: and one of the reasons they got kind of sideways 103 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: with a contractors. He couldn't quite get back to the 104 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: level he was out after he tore that second ACL, 105 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: until unfortunately he was no longer with the Cardinals. I 106 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: remember his first knee injury was so bad that I 107 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: had people say that a number of folks in the 108 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: medical community, after seeing some of the X ray zmris, 109 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: they doubted whether he'd ever play again. And he came 110 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: back because a number of players had had a very 111 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: similar knee injury did that extent. It was that devas 112 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: dating and surgeons just couldn't fix it. It was just 113 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: beyond so the Cardinal's medical team, and I'm not exactly 114 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: sure who performed the surgery, they got a lot of 115 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: props with the men within the medical community. I was 116 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: told that a number of agents from other players actually 117 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: called that surgeon and said, how did you do that 118 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: with Tyron Matthew. That's how well done that surgery was, 119 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: and that's how serious the extent of Tyrant's knee injury was. 120 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: So we have no idea to what extent Kyler Murray's 121 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: knee injury is beyond just torn acl but we do 122 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: know that he was incredibly emotional. Obviously, last we saw 123 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: him on the cart leaving the stadium, right he had 124 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: the towel over his head, and even head coach Cliff 125 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: Kings where he said he knew almost immediately from all 126 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: the years he's known Kyler when he saw him down 127 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: on the field happened right in front of the Cardinals sideline. 128 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: He knew immediately it wasn't good. And Kyler didn't even 129 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: try to get up that he was tended to buy 130 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 1: the trainers. They brought the card out, teammates all around 131 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: him giving him support, and he had the towel over 132 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: his head, and the photos laid or revealed looked like 133 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: he was crying. I will say it is, you know, 134 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. And this is not to get sidetracked by 135 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: any means, but this is a big reason as to 136 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: why big players, specifically quarterbacks, when they are fighting for 137 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: those contracts. This is why. Yeah, I mean there's this 138 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: is this is the this is the this is the reason. Yeah, 139 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: and this is you know, this is also a reason. 140 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Although it's there's some irony there because it was non contact, 141 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: but I mean, this is a guy who's worked hard 142 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: to preserve himself because he doesn't want to get hurt 143 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: and and uh and now to have it happen like 144 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: this is I Look, I feel you can say what 145 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: you want about Kyler Murray. Having anything go anyone go 146 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: through this is not good, especially professional athlete. Um. And 147 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, I had somebody say, look, it's terrible for him, 148 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: but he also has a giant contract and he you know, 149 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: are worst things that could happen in the world to people, 150 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: And look, I understand that it could always get worse. 151 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: But but I will say this, for whatever works that 152 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray might have or issues that people might have 153 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray, I absolutely believe he is the guy 154 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: when he says I live to play football and I 155 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: live to compete. I believe that. I believe that in 156 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: his soul. And you know, when he's crying after something 157 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: like this, it's as much about that and the loss 158 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: of potentially that then not being able to be you know, 159 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: having to go through a rehab or pain or anything 160 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: like that. He has a lot of pride and that 161 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: goes back to partially the natural ability that he's been 162 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: gifted it. But also the hard work that he's put 163 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: in throughout his entire career. We know, the accolades going 164 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: all the way back to high school. And that doesn't 165 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: come just solely based on naturability. That comes from the 166 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: desire to work hard and continue to get better and 167 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: for the love of the game. And you know, at 168 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: the end of the day, this is his livelihood and 169 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: to have it end the way it did and in pain. 170 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: And I'm sure he is already thinking about returning next year, 171 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: and knowing the recovery process and the fact that this 172 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: is happening so late in this season makes it likely 173 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: he will not be ready to go at the start 174 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: of next season. I'm sure there's a lot going on 175 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: in his mind on that regard as well. To what 176 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: degree is it his identity he identifies himself as a 177 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: football player. You know, for all the knocks and some 178 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: of the criticism of the haters and the noise out there, 179 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: and a lot of it is totally concocted and erroneous. 180 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: You know, he's never been in the news for the 181 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: wrong reasons in terms of wrongdoing or anything. And I mean, 182 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: so he's committed himself to the game of football. It's 183 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: sort of like the coach at the end of his 184 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: coaching career who retires and realize, no, wait a minute, 185 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, my profession was my identity in so many ways. 186 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's a valid point you raised, Darren. 187 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: It's going to be just as tough mentally as for 188 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: him to deal without football for an extended period of time. 189 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: So you know, what does that mean is you know, 190 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: and can you truly get better playing quarterback without actually 191 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: playing the position? Maybe just maybe, you know, maybe they 192 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: get him those VR simulators. They go all the way 193 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: back to you know, Carson Palmer back in the day 194 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: and now I mean honestly, and then he's in there 195 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: and he's trying to simulate looking at these you know, 196 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: different coverages and all these different looks defenses. So I'm guessing, look, 197 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: if there's any way they can try and get him 198 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: those reps, albeit mental reps, in any fashion with any 199 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: sort of technology, they're going to examine every single possibility 200 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: to try and continue that. And because that's to me, 201 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: what you're losing over the final month is that ability. 202 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: How many times have we talked about it over the 203 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: prior month. Now that you're realistically out of the playoffs. Okay, 204 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: the real goal here is to get Kyler back to 205 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: his status as a legitimate MVP candidate. And that's what 206 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: you lose out on. It's not necessarily win here against 207 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: the Broncos or the Buccaneers. No, it's it's that chance 208 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: the potentially get Kyler back to the caliber play that 209 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: he showed over the first half of twenty twenty one. 210 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: That's what you're losing. This sets up, let's face it, guys, 211 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: a fascinating I don't know about next month, but it's 212 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: certainly he sets up a fascinating offseason. I mean, the 213 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: the presumed direction that it was going to go, no 214 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: matter what, was gonna have getting Kyler Murray back right 215 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: and in the right direction. And that's lost. I mean, 216 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: now the offseason is only going to be about rehab. 217 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: It's certainly, like you said, it's not going to be 218 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: about football for him. I mean, he can be in 219 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: meetings and stuff like that, but I mean he's not 220 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: going to be able to do anything. And what that 221 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: means in terms of how they build their team, what 222 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: that means in terms of how they look at next year. 223 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: And again, some of these questions can't be answered until 224 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: we have a better understanding of what the timeline is. 225 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: But I mean, ultimately from all the guys that I've 226 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: been around that have rehabbed acls, and thank goodness, this 227 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: is twenty years after I started doing this, because when 228 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: I first started doing it, acls were absolutely a year. 229 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: I heard Kyle Van Deenbosch talking on a couple of 230 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: different places, including right C Report about him tearing his 231 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: acls when he was with the Cardinals, which I was 232 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: covering the team when Kyle was playing here because I'm 233 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: super old, and those basically wiped out his Cardinals career 234 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: and they ended up letting him go because he just 235 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: was never healthy here, and he ended up being an 236 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: excellent player for a couple other teams in the NFL. 237 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: And now you can come back in eight months, nine months, 238 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: But at what level are you And at what level 239 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: does Kyler need to be at to be able to 240 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: want to get on the field, and how much of 241 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: that is going to play into it? And I keep 242 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: coming back to that whole thing at the last two 243 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: years when he's been hurt with a hamstring and the ankle, Well, 244 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: we want Kyler to be one hundred percent. We want 245 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: Kyler to be a one hundred percent We want him 246 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: to be able to get away from well you're to 247 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: truly get two hundred percent. He's going to be gone 248 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: a long time. You don't ever, you're not going to 249 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: want to ask when Kyler comes back to change who 250 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: he is as a player, you know completely. But I 251 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: think it will be interesting to see of how long 252 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: until he will truly feel as confident as he can. 253 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll ever feels confident, whether that's 254 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: a physical ability or mentally to run and scramble, And 255 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: maybe he will. It's not to say that just because 256 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: he tore his acl that all hope is gone that 257 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: he's never going to be able to use his legs 258 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: the way that he has physically, physically right mentally, it's 259 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: going to be very tough. So it's just going to 260 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: be interesting to see of how does he adjust, how 261 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: will the coaching staff ad just because you're not going 262 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: to want to ask him to be anything other than 263 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: himself and the way that he plays the game. But 264 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: you would imagine if he doesn't, if there's a chance 265 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: that he's not going to feel as confident to use 266 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: his legs the same way how are you going to 267 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: adjust the way that you're using your arm or reading defenses, 268 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: or adjust your game moving forward? And sure, I mean, 269 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: you know, he wouldn't be the only guy who's a 270 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: little apprehensive coming back from a season ending injury, write 271 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: a little reticent maybe to make a similar move or 272 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: get as aggressive. Then again, if he's truly going to 273 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: miss the game like we think he will, maybe he's 274 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: more willing than ever to play at less than one 275 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: hundred percent just for the sake of getting back, saying, 276 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, I want to play ball again. I might 277 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: be eighty five ninety percent. I don't care. I'm getting 278 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: out there. I'm gonna play ball again. And you know what, 279 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull a Cole McCoy. I'm gonna do more 280 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: with less in terms of getting rid of the ball quickly. 281 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read and react. Yeah, I'll go ahead, I'll 282 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: hit that, you know, hit the go button when I 283 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: win needed. But guess what design runs are out to 284 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: start with, and the game plan and win and doubt, 285 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw the ball away. So you know, 286 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: maybe he comes back a little different quarterback, at least 287 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: to start. I mean, it's possible. I think this can 288 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: go in a lot of different directions. And guess what 289 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: this begins about at least ten months of speculation, Well, 290 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: you're doing right now. Wow, that's again you are talking 291 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: about the franchise quarterback and you've paid them as such. 292 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: What's interesting is in the press conference, Cliff Kingsbury was 293 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: asked about where Kyler might do the rehab, whether it 294 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: would be here or at home in Texas. My feeling 295 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: is it would have to be here. I don't know. 296 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's language in the contract, like 297 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: standard language, not necessarily Kyler Murray language, but standard language 298 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: though if you're you're doing rehab, and I do know that. 299 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: The thing is if you don't do rehab with the team, 300 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: if you have any kind of setback, you're risking right. Yes, No, 301 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: that is absolutely accurate, no, no question about that. And 302 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: the other thing with the whole Kyler dynamic right now is, Hey, 303 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: what about the uncertainty of this off season in terms 304 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: of what are you doing next season? For a quarterback? 305 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: You might think you have a timetable, but guess what, 306 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: that's just going to be a forecast, that's going to 307 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: be a prediction. You don't truly know how his need 308 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: will react. So what does that mean in the offseason? 309 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: What sort of draft capital and or money do you 310 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: have to put towards a quarterback to come in? Is 311 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: Cole McCoy truly going to be your guy based on 312 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: the beating he's taken in a few of these games, 313 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: and at thirty six years of age, you have to 314 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: have a pretty significant backup plan to the backup. It 315 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: will be interesting to see moving forward, however they fall 316 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: in the draft order and what they decide to do 317 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: if this is going to change any of their plans. 318 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: And you're right, not only if they want Colt to 319 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: come back next year, but does Cole want to come back? 320 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: Is he at that point where he still feels like 321 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: he can give it as all when he goes out 322 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: onto the field next season? And then you start making 323 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: decisions about Trace McSorley, And there's going to be a 324 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: lot of decisions that go into play and and you 325 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: just hope that by the time you have to make 326 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: a lot of these decisions in early spring, right like 327 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: late March draft in April, is are you going to 328 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: have enough knowledge on Kyler Murray's recovery process? And what 329 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: a realistic return time will be of what kind of 330 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: moves do you really need to make and how many 331 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: games are you maybe going to have to rely on 332 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: somebody else? Well, I do I personally think McCoy is 333 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: hit around here next year for no other reason that 334 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: he's got, you know, almost four million dollars that they 335 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: would pay him if he sticks around next year, that 336 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: he would forego if he decides to retire. And I 337 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: think they're going to want him around because you're going 338 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: to need quarterbacks. Great, And you go back to when 339 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: he's signed and Cliff Kingsbury tells the story where you know, 340 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: they're talking about him being a mentor and a backup, 341 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: and then Colt cuts him off and says, wait a minute, 342 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: don't forget I can really play. Yeah, So I think 343 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: the passion for the game is still there. Do play 344 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: the game because you know what to Cliff's point about 345 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: Cole knowledge and his ability to be a coach right here, 346 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: right now, and Cliff Kingsbury made a gallows humor type 347 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: of joke that he could probably do my job. At 348 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: this point, there's no doubt if Cole McCoy retired tomorrow, 349 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: got a single I don't know oc job at a 350 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: major college, for example, within a year, he'd have a 351 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: head coaching gig and he's probably been making eight million 352 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: a year. Honestly, the timetable on Cole McCoy becoming a 353 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: head coach somewhere in this game and making five million 354 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: plus somewhere at the college, though, I think would be rapid. 355 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: I really do. I think it would be a quick assents. 356 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: You know, with how many kids he has, if he'd 357 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: really want to go into the coach yeah, maybe he 358 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: wants to sit with coaching his kids soccer teens. Wasn't 359 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: that what he was doing in the offseason. I just 360 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: that's a great question. I'm saying he has the ability. 361 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: Of course, of course he has options. There's no doubt. 362 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: So I mean, like, I'll just give you an example. 363 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: Stanford just hired Troy Taylor as their head coach. I 364 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: don't know they're paying him a year. David Shaw was 365 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: making nine to ten million a year. Troy Taylor spent 366 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years coaching high school is a former 367 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: Pack twelve quarterback, went to the Jets for one season 368 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: and he's been back out of high school coaching at 369 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: Sacramento State for like two or three years. He killed 370 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: it and then now he's got a major gig for 371 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: big money. So Cole McCoy is a much higher profile. 372 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: And it's still an offensive game and people are still 373 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: looking for offensive coaches. But look, you have four games 374 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: to go right now, and Kyler Murray is going to 375 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: be And by the way, Hard Knocks in season might 376 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: want to stick around and be Hard Knocks offseason with 377 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals that finale and Santa Clara. Rules for 378 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: that to do the same team, you're gonna have to 379 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: kick Hard Knocks out of your building because the drama 380 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: is going to start after the season finale against the 381 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: forty nine ers in Santa Clara. They're gonna want to 382 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: keep documenting everything that goes on in the off season 383 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: around here. You know something I don't know yet considering 384 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: the question, no, I'm just I'm just I'm just pontificating 385 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: right here and just saying if you're one of those producers, yeah, 386 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: it does get intriguing in the off season. As to 387 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: what I think after this stretch, they're going to be 388 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: quite happy to pack up the trailer and go maybe maybe, 389 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean, they got to be fair they got at this. 390 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: I walked I walked up to one of the producers 391 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: in the locker room after the game and I said, 392 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough road to hold these last four weeks. 393 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: He just kind of smiled, and I mean, you want 394 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: reality TV. You're getting a reality check right now on 395 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, and if you're working internally on that show, Yeah, 396 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. The locker rooms have been tough 397 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: the last couple of games, have they not. Yo, Yeah, 398 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: it's it's downcast and it's down beat, and rightfully, so, 399 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: you have four wins, you have nine losses, you just 400 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: lost your franchise quarterback, You've played nearly eighty different players. 401 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: There's always something making headlines off the field. Trayvon Mullen 402 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: what a couple hours ago was released and so it's 403 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: just there's stuff flying everywhere. I don't know why, how 404 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: or why everything is. We've got four years with a 405 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: drama into one season. But yeah, and that the start 406 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: of the offseason. We're gonna have to go and in 407 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: the calendar year make a list of everything that's happened, 408 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: because I feel like I can't even keep track of 409 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: everything that's gone down since probably February. Probably can't if 410 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: you've been scoring at home, I guess what you gave up? 411 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: You know, this is so much to keep track of. 412 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: So look, they're gonna go up to Denver next and 413 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: you're gonna have Colt McCoy behind four backups in the 414 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: offensive line. You know, James Connor went down for a minute. 415 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: What was the determination you just do is that the 416 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: breath was knocked out of him? Right, I'm not sure 417 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: you only missed four plays. I think that's what it was. 418 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: And so he had the wind knocked out of them, 419 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: but everybody held their breath. You're just waiting for the 420 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: next calamity to hit at this point. So what can 421 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: you do over these final four games to build a 422 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: little something? Obviously momentum isn't gonna carry. We talked about confidence, 423 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: you know, is there something you can do? You know, 424 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: just internally about the culture, try and challenge everyone. You're 425 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: taking on a Broncost team that is three and ten. 426 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: They got down twenty seven nothing against the Chiefs. They're 427 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: getting booted home, but somehow found the fight to make 428 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: it a thirty four to twenty eight game, even minus 429 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson at the end with Brett Rippon taking over. 430 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: So that's your opponent coming up here in week fifteen. 431 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: It's just it's you know, you're going to be looking 432 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: out there and you're gonna see two teams with quite 433 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: a bit in common. When I got a chance to 434 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: interview Zaven Collins for a Silent Exchange interview about a 435 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: month ago, at this point, something similar came up in 436 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: the conversation. I liked his answer, and he had said, 437 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: in a situation like this, what's so important is making 438 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: sure that nothing is entering the locker room that's going 439 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: to divide the team and divide the players. Everyone in 440 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: that locker room understands a situation. Yes, they mathematically still 441 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: have a chance to make the playoffs, it doesn't feel 442 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: that way and they know that. They know that from 443 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: the play everybody, of course, is disappointed with how the 444 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: season has panned out. It's about holding yourself and each 445 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: other accountable, but not letting that seep into the locker 446 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: room and those relationships, and continuing to play hard for 447 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 1: one another, playing hard for the person sitting next to you, 448 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: and trying to build that confidence and trying to create 449 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: some of that chemistry to carry over into next year, 450 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: and hopefully you get to a point to where everything 451 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: that they're battling through together will only it's cheesy as 452 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: it sounds, will only make them stronger and more motivate 453 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: in moving forward. So I asked Cliff Kingsbury on this 454 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: weekly TV show here going into the Sproncos game. I said, 455 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: if there's one thing that you could remedy by the 456 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: end of the year, would it be eliminating the two 457 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: words self inflicted? And he actually jumped on a resounding 458 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: yes before I finished the question. To me, there's no 459 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: doubt you've got to stop being your own worst enemy 460 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: at the worst times. We talked to Antonio Hamilton in 461 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: the locker room after the game on the Cardinals radio side, 462 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: and he just cited it. I said, your big takeaway 463 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: from this game this loss, lack of details, lack of 464 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: discipline at crucial times. That's something that just won't go away. 465 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: It's been persistent through this year. It's obviously been a 466 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: common thread in all the losses. You're looking at a 467 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: team that now has lost fourteen of its last nineteen games, 468 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: and so this has been an issue. Can you realistically 469 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: remedy that? What does it take. What is the answer 470 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: to try and get especially veteran guys at different times 471 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: ma Aj Green stepping out of bounds and then coming 472 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: back in. You know, whether it's those sort of mental mistakes, 473 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Brown with an illegal shift, You know, whether 474 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: it's then, you know, holding the ball with one hand, 475 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. Now I get it, he has freaky, unbelievably 476 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: sized and talented hands. I get it. But is he 477 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: getting too comfortable and cocky carrying that always won handing everything? 478 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. So he tapped himself on the shoulder pads 479 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: said my bad. That's after he disposed of his gloves. 480 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: He threw the gloves away and got a new pair 481 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: of gloves, but at the same time made it known 482 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: to everyone as his fault. But these are those little everybody, Now, 483 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: how often do we said it? Those little things are 484 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: big things in the NFL and can decide NFL games. 485 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: Say name me one. Well, let's start here, and maybe 486 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: maybe this pops in your head, Maybe it doesn't. What's 487 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: the one all time stat? When that is almost it's 488 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: generally one sided in terms of how you can tell 489 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: who wins games turnover ratio? So what is that. Oh yeah, 490 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: that's who makes fewer mistakes than the other guy. I 491 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: hear all this. Okay, that's what teams that lose do. 492 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: They make mistakes. So I mean, I'm not saying this 493 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: is a good thing, but this isn't unique to the Cardinals. 494 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: Bad teams screw up like this. That's why you're a 495 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: bad team. So let's what I'm saying is drill a 496 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: little deeper. So if you're having some of the mental mistakes, 497 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: the pre snap stuff two years ago. Two years ago, 498 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: the Cardinals led the NFL and penalties, right, Yeah, would 499 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: you say that I was correctable? Well they did. They 500 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty one, at least the first two 501 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: thirds of the season. They remedy that big time. There 502 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: was a huge beforeign after difference. Oh and I'm I'm 503 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: not saying you can't correct it. My point is is 504 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: you don't. I don't want to make it be a 505 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: cause and effect. I mean, it is a cause and effect, 506 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: but it's the other way around. For me, you're a 507 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: bad team because you you make mistakes. It's not you 508 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: make mistakes, so you're a bad team. No, And I 509 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: get it. I guess what I'm saying is you can 510 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: be a bad team because you have zero talent Houston Texans, 511 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: or you can be a bad team because your own 512 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: worst enemy. And I think you see some of that 513 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: with the Broncos, the team you're playing, and just especially 514 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: at offense, and then the Cardinals right now in terms 515 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: of okay, is there enough accountability when these mistakes are happening, 516 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: the same mistakes week after week? We talked about this 517 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: with Drew stanton the pregame show. Okay, is there enough 518 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: leadership in that locker room? You would think so looking 519 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: at some of the characters and people on this roster, 520 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: they yeah, there should be enough. But are those guys 521 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: walking up on each other and holding each other accountable? 522 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: Because why are you getting the same mistakes the correctable mistakes. 523 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: It's one thing if okay, you know what, Josh Jones 524 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: can't block Matthew Judean, There's only so much you can 525 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: do about that. But if an offensive lineman continues to 526 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: jump off sides or other mental mistakes, well that's easily 527 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: theoretically correctable. So maybe some of that is what led 528 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: to for example, and you can point to a number 529 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: of different roster moves, but like the trayvon Mullen. So 530 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 1: wait a minute, if Byron Murphy is out and he's 531 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: uncertain and Marco Wilson just went down with a stinger, 532 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: do you think you really have depth at corner to 533 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: get rid of a trayvon Mullin. Must be something else. 534 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: So maybe there's an example me made of a player 535 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: who wasn't quite accountable enough for some of his mistakes, 536 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: as I splate, perhaps recklessly the face mask penalty in 537 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: which they went on and scored the following drive Patriots did. 538 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: It's interesting to me of you know, I'm curious how 539 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: different teams, different coaching staffs handle those mental mistakes when 540 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: it comes to all those penalties to a certain degree, 541 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: with really the play too, I mean, the coaching staff, 542 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: you can only do so much. How is it, you know, 543 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury's job. When Hollywood Brown has an illegal shift 544 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: penalty like that, that's not something he's doing by any means. 545 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: So it's just interesting to me of how some teams 546 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: it's not an issue, and I feel like when it 547 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: is an issue for a team, it is persistent, and 548 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: to me that would fall more on the focus and 549 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: mental strength of the players that are out there and 550 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: being ready now to some degree, you know, I feel 551 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: like penalties like that are more likely to happen when 552 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: there is confusion, And yet again there were more wasted 553 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: timeouts because of confusion and personnel and plays that were 554 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: being called, and that of course is you know that 555 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: that can lead to more pre snap penalties. So I 556 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: do think it's a combination. But it is interesting that 557 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: for some teams it's not an issue, and then I 558 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: feel like, what it is, it's glaring. It just bothers 559 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: me that when you talk about Hopkins carrying the ball, 560 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: he was how he was doing that, or Hollywood getting 561 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: a shift penalty or a J Green getting a couple 562 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: of I mean, we're not talking about inexperienced dudes. No, 563 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean that's the bigger problem for me, is like 564 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: it's one thing if a rookie's making a mistake, but 565 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 1: you got you talk about the leadership in the locker room. 566 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: Those are the guys that are supposed to be leading 567 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: the way. And I appreciate hop meeting the media and 568 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: taking responsibility for his fumble. At the same time, I'm like, 569 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: that wasn't that wasn't I put the ball away? And 570 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: maybe I was a little loose with it, and then 571 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: somebody popped it out. I mean, like the way he 572 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: was carrying it, you're like inviting disaster. It didn't even 573 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: look like it was truly popped out, like he maybe 574 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: got his hand on it in the tackle. I'm like, 575 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: I knew he was carrying it. I knew he was 576 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: carrying it, not in a great way. But then I 577 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: saw a replay not even till today, and then I'm like, 578 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, Like there's a lot of guys around, 579 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: you're like taking a huge risk and he was running 580 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: into tackles with it like that. Yeah. So look, it's 581 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: those sort of things that if you can somehow clean 582 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: up over these final four games, obviously, that's something that 583 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: the coaching staff is looking at. And you know, Colt 584 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: McCoy now more than ever, even the two games he started, 585 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: is going to be a de facto player coach. You 586 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: see it on Hard Knocks. You see how vital he 587 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: is to the game planning process. You see his presence 588 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: and his persona in that QB meeting room. So I'm 589 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: curious to see how he takes over to some degree. 590 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Darren, you remember Carson Palmer used to run 591 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: those Friday walk through practices himself. BA would literally sit 592 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: on the wall adjacent to the practice field and Carson 593 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: Palmer ran the offense. Yeah, so you know, just so, 594 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm curious how that materializes. Now. On the other hand, 595 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to keep it real and just say, 596 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: minus Kyler Murray, what exactly are you playing for over 597 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: the last four games? I guess to get a Tray 598 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: McBride continue, he too, he made a heck of a catch, 599 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: took a heck of a shot. Okay, that's progress for 600 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: the second round rookie and my j Sanders. You know 601 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: Cam Thomas who obviously made a play and hit the 602 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: quarterback and it's sprung up for an interception by ISAs Simmons. 603 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: So these are the little small victories that you hope 604 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: to glean. I'm not going to call em pyric victories 605 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: because there is value in some of it. But this 606 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: is what you're doing when you're four to nine and 607 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: playing out the string. It's unfortunate, but that's the spot 608 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: we're in, is trying to find the positives and what 609 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: can you take away? What good can you take away 610 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: from these last couple of games in the regular season 611 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: and understand what you're working with going into next year, 612 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: and do you send a message to some of the 613 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: guys and then you know what they're gonna have to 614 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: make decisions too as to whether they want to be around. 615 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: What's exactly the contract status of a Zach Allen is 616 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: that going into the offseason. Well, now he's hurt. Yeah, 617 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: So the two guys that you want to extend that 618 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: have that seemed to be out there, Bayern Murphy and 619 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: Zach Allen. You don't even know how much they're going 620 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: to play the rest of the year. So there you go. 621 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean, am I missing or the final four games? 622 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: If I pose the question something or someone the view 623 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: as critical to improve, how do you fill in that blank? 624 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you try and experiment more 625 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: in some regards, you know, with different elements. I don't know, Danny, 626 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: go ahead. I don't know if I could put this 627 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: on one person, But if we're looking for an area 628 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: to improve, it would have to be who you have 629 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: at your offensive line at the moment, because there's a 630 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: lot of uncertainty there with contracts, with injuries, and so 631 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: if you're going to bring back some of the offensive 632 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: lineman that you have right now that are playing. I 633 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: feel like they need to step up their game. You 634 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: need to know, again much what I was just saying of, 635 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: you need to know what the rookies. You need to 636 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: know what you're working with and working around moving forward. 637 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: And that is kind of a sneaky position group of 638 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: what are you really going to have when you start 639 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: looking at the contracts and who's going to be healthy 640 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: and who are you going to want back? And I 641 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: think that's an area that hasn't been incredibly consistent. Although 642 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: they have had so many injuries, they've had nine starting 643 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: offensive line combinations, which is in the person I'll changes 644 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: that room has dealt with it. I'm sure has not 645 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: been easy, but you're going to have decisions that are 646 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: made there and you're going to have to know if 647 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: the backups you're playing right now are you going to 648 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: want them back next year. It's interesting that Cliff Kingsbury 649 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: said before the Patriots game that while Cordy Ford was 650 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: going to start a guard over because Shod Coward was hurt, 651 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: that lady Cita Smith would probably get some time and 652 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: he didn't. He got Cody Ford played the whole way. 653 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: So you know, at some point, do you do look 654 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: at some of these guys, do you change your mind? 655 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: Did he decide Cody Ford was playing better than you expected. 656 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: I think it's all fascinating. And again, a lot of this. 657 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about the quarterback at some 658 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: point coming back, you're definitely gonna want to have somebody 659 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: come protect him. Yep. And if you have a top 660 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: five pick, is that going to be spending the best 661 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: offensive lineman in the draft. But well, if you have 662 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: a top five pick, you got a lot of decisions 663 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: to make because you could use a really awesome pass rusher, 664 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: you could use a cornerback. By the way, jim O 665 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: Mohundro sent this earlier when we were so busy with ourselves, 666 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: I didn't look at my phone. But Joe Burrow got 667 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: more hurt in week eleven, November twenty second, Joe Burrow 668 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: also had a torn ACL mcl a, partial PCL tear, 669 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: and partial meniscus tear. Oh boy, Now, I'm really hoping 670 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: that that's not what happened to Kyler. But if I 671 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: recall correctly, I'm pretty sure Burrow got hit like he 672 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: was in a mangled mess. Yes, and most of the time, 673 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: and I don't want to come across as like a 674 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: doctor or that I know what's going on with Kyler. 675 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: But most of the time, the non contact ACL injuries 676 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: are just the ACL because it just popped so fingers crossed, 677 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: so you're praying it's clean. As if I really know 678 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: what the definition of that is. You just see here's 679 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: some of the surgeons say that. So I'll tell you 680 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: the other thing I'll throw out there, just over these 681 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: last four games. You know what I'd like to see. 682 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: I'd like to see a final stat sheet where you 683 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: showed the tackles leading tacklers. I'd love to see one 684 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: game where four out of the five top tacklers aren't dbs. 685 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: I just now, isn't that partially how they're playing them? 686 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: It could be, it could be. I'd love to have 687 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: Vance Joseph in the trust tree and just you know, 688 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think when once again a 689 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: corner is you're leading tackler because they're playing that softer 690 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: zone where you can throw it short and they come 691 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: up and get you. You're going to get a lot 692 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: of tackles that way. And I know the Cardinals run 693 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: game recently as focused on getting James Connor outside on 694 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: a corner, so okay. And Antonio Hamilton when he had 695 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: is eleven tackle game a month ago in on the 696 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, he said, hey, they kept running it 697 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: right at me, so I kept making the tackle, so 698 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: all right, But I'm not gonna I'm gonna be honest here. 699 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: I'd love to see Zavan Collins with a double digit 700 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: tackle game as your Mike backer. I'd love to see 701 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: him be your leading tackler and be that guy just 702 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: flying around and end up with eleven or twelve tackles 703 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 1: and be a top that final box score. I don't 704 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: think that's unreasonable for you to ask. What's interesting is 705 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: I still feel like to a certain degree that tackling 706 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: continues to be an issue. I just feel like they're 707 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: too many, too many games where big players are happening 708 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: because tackles are being easily broken by the opponent. But 709 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: but I agree, I think linebacker will be another area 710 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: that you'll have to look at. And how are you 711 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: going to utilize Isaiah Simmons? Yes, next year is that 712 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: going a delay? But you got there? Well he did 713 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: have his cup and maybe out the delay and make 714 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: me look good, right like how are you going to 715 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: utilize him next year? I think that's another position that 716 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: you're going to have to look at. I mean, the 717 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: health of the linebackers that you've had this year in 718 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: decisions you've made there, and your pass rushers. It's we're 719 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: going to have our plenty to talk about that for sure. 720 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: You can pick at every position this team had. I 721 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: had somebody, uh send me something where they're like, they 722 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: went through every position and they were even complaining about 723 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: the safeties because you can't have two high paid safeties. 724 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: So you got get rid of one of them. Oh boy, okay, 725 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, by the way, that my hesitation there 726 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: was the classic Josh Rosen of buffering, as Josh Rosen 727 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 1: used to call it, buffering when he didn't quite recognize 728 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: a coverage and it took him a moment to make 729 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: a decision and before he would read and well that 730 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: that setup wasn't as clean as my one last week 731 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 1: that you you got but your mic was off. Yeah, 732 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: last week it was one hundred percent on me. So yeah, 733 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: so look and tackling, I'll just let this would be 734 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: my final point tackling, because we went through this in 735 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. The three and thirteen season. That's one of 736 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: the first things you look at to start a game. 737 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: How willing are these guys to put their body on 738 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: the line and make a tackle? How many guys said 739 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: last week you're gonna know right away? What is the 740 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: want to when Romander Stevenson is out there? Well, that 741 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: didn't last very long before he went down with injury. 742 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: But okay, here comes Marlon mack and whoever else the 743 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: Broncos is going to run out there. So who's willing 744 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds? I forgot about Chase so I don't think 745 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: he is though, No, so all right, he there's Russell Wilson, Yeah, 746 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: Coule McCoy versus Brett Ripman, just like you expect. Oh boy. Yeah. 747 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,959 Speaker 1: And by the way, there it was there any doubt 748 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: that that Russell Wilson was out for a moment or 749 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: two when his head hit the turf. He looked like 750 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: he went unconscious. God, that was a significant head injury 751 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: and he's in concussion protocols, so we'll see about the 752 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: status there. But there you go. Okay, once again, coming 753 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: full circle. Life without Kyler for the rest of this 754 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: season and an unknown period of time going into next season, 755 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: So it'll be some definite uncertainty and what will that 756 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: mean both in terms of the xs and ohs and 757 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: in terms of the personnel. They're already going to bring 758 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: in another quarterback according to Cliff Kingsbury. Uh, didn't they 759 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: work out someone? Pur the report and the report is 760 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: that he's going to be signed to the practice squad. 761 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: Uh it was Carson Strong and Strong Nevada. Yeah, okay, 762 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: but I mean Colt mccoysier guy and Trace Mcsonlasier backup. 763 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: By the way, considering against Monday on Monday Night football, 764 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: if a knock on Wood, if further issues would have 765 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: hit at quarterback in terms of injuries, I guess Corey 766 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: Clement was your emergency Colement, I guess he was. That 767 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: was That's what I was told that he was going 768 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: to be the emergency Emergenclift did say there would be 769 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: there would be a running back in there is what 770 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: he said. So speaking to Chase Edmonds, I think once 771 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: upon a time he was the emergency emergency quarterback. If 772 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: just in case break class free Chris fan Joe, all right, 773 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: that'll do it for this post Monday Night Football edition. 774 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground brought to you by Pacific Office Automation Isaiah