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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.

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Speaker 1: out with you this evening. This is our weekly Listener

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Speaker 1: Male segment. It's one of our favorite times of the

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Speaker 1: We are going to learn a little bit more about

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Speaker 5: Hey, everybody, you can call me Green Garnet. I'm calling

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Speaker 5: And there's no really interesting resolution or other story about

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Speaker 5: hearing voices. I really look forward to your show almost

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Speaker 5: Thanks for doing all the work that you do, and

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Speaker 2: I wow, guys, Okay, we got to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: What do you think imaginary friends? Did you guys have

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Speaker 3: Well, no, you know, it's funny, you know, I was

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Speaker 3: I wish I did. It seems really cool, you know,

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Speaker 1: Creature, drop dead Fred.

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Speaker 3: Drop dead Fred. That's right, Yeah, that guy was a psychopath,

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, at the risk I'm going to talk for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, an unethical or incompetent Uh, the right kind of

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Speaker 2: Exactly the Darren Brown dude. There's weird stuff they can

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Speaker 1: That is the technically read that's papers on Jamma.

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Speaker 2: So many on their journal. I just flood that thing.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, all right, So wait, but this idea though imaginary friends.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting you say this, Matt, because typically you may

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Speaker 2: It's in the walls.

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Speaker 1: It's in the walls. We're all inside. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's also one of our collective dreams that take

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Speaker 1: In the same universe. We're doing an MCU for everything

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Speaker 2: Yes, all the same.

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Speaker 3: And if you're into this kind of Foster's Home for

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Speaker 3: watch with your kids, and it definitely talks about a

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00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 3: lot of the same stuff that these movies do, but

435
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: in a little bit more of an absurdist, childlike fashion.

436
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying, guys, is that we're all Ben

437
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: Savage until our pile of laundry becomes how we mendel. Okay,

438
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: does that make sense totally? I use that.

439
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: I'm a big from he of your articles in jama.

440
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm really glad somebody reads them.

441
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, check out our check out our earlier

442
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: episode out of academic journals. If we've done that one.

443
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: But uh. But also something important to note that may

444
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: be of interest to not to green Garnet, to you

445
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: as well. I would love to hear your thoughts on this, folks.

446
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: The concept of imaginary friends, generally in the world of psychoanalysis. Uh,

447
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: they will not arrive from a vacuum. They will be

448
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: descended from something you know, like uh, like in a

449
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: Christmas story, Uh, the kid loves little orphan Annie and

450
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: his go to get a decoder ring. Right, spoiler, It's

451
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: an advertisement, but it's a good advertisement. And I'm wondering

452
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: this is a question for all of us playing along

453
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: at home this evening. Is an imaginary friend a predecessor

454
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: of the parasocial relationship tendency.

455
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: Go on someone who well, I don't know, because.

456
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 4: Parasocial being someone who kind of is clingy, parasocial parasocial

457
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 4: being the tendency that humans have to be quote unquote

458
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: like to be psychologically or consciously with someone like a celebrity,

459
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 4: and then to feel that there is a closer personal relationship.

460
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: Dude.

461
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: Social media is imaginary friends. For days. Podcasts are imaginary friends.

462
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: I mean, but they're not imaginary, but they fill the

463
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: same need. We just have technology now where people can

464
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 3: have ten different flavors of imaginary friend.

465
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: Guys, I don't know. I feel like Conan is probably

466
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: my friend. He made a whole podcast with friend and title.

467
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: Thank you for stepping up man, you know, good on you, Matt.

468
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: I really do love that podcast.

469
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: It is Conan's Conan's a legend everybody. Everybody knows that

470
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: he needs to stop texting as often. But otherwise great dude.

471
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: For sure. Definitely to stop texting while driving, Conan, that's

472
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: dangerous and against the law.

473
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: Knock it off, seriously.

474
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: His meme game is tight though.

475
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but Leslie, you know knows our last emailer,

476
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: Leslie knows you cannot do that. Texting and driving is dangerous. Leslie,

477
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: by the way, also didn't like hugs. I don't know

478
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: if you guys remember a long time ago Leslie wrote

479
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: in our previous emailer that we just talked about. She

480
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: wrote to tell us she does not like hugs, and

481
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: she refuses to hug anything that's not a cute animal.

482
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: I don't know why.

483
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: Consumptuous it can be. They can be. I don't like it.

484
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: I remember you, h that's why.

485
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: For you guys, I'll do it, But but I feel

486
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: you twitch while I'm holding you close.

487
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit militant about it. I'm like, oh

488
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: here we are. I totally am guilty of doing the

489
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: three times.

490
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: The twitch is what it's all about. That's how you know,

491
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: That's how you know the hug. Oh God, I'm calling HR.

492
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: You should thank you so much Green Garnet for writing

493
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: in with that experience. Uh yeah, we we love hearing

494
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: those kind of stories. If anyone else has one like that,

495
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: we'd love to hear it as well. We'll be right

496
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: back with more messages from you.

497
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: And we have returned never fear fellow conspiracy realist. I

498
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: obviously did not call HR because I don't like calling people.

499
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Uh So we got a We received something that I

500
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: think was very illuminating slash disturby and talk about real

501
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: quick from our pal Rich, fellow conspiracy realist Rich in

502
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: Southern Alberta. Being that Southern Alberta is in Canada, Rich

503
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: is still more of a Yankee than we are. Rich says, Hello, gentlemen,

504
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: if you like, you can read this email for the

505
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: show and refer to me as Rich from Southern Alberta.

506
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: Got your back, Rich done, Rich says, I just finished

507
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: listening to your strange news segment talking about the so

508
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: called Queen of Canada, and as a resident of southern

509
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: Alberta near the Saskatchewan border, my ears perked up when

510
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: you mentioned Ramona Didulo. The article you referenced in the

511
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: show made the situation seem very minor and somewhat comical,

512
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: not much more than a nuisance, but I can assure

513
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: you that is far from the truth. I've included a

514
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: link to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation article written just a

515
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: few days ago that should answer some of your questions

516
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: and let you know just how serious the situation is

517
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: and how potentially dangerous this cult may be. Spoiler alert

518
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: it includes threats of public execution. I hope that you

519
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: find this email helpful and the article informative. Best wishes

520
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: from Rich in Southern Alberta. Real quick, before we get

521
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: into this, I want to thank Doc Holliday, Matt and

522
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: Nole for putting up with me having to do a

523
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: couple takes of that one. I don't know why that

524
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: became a tongue twister. Southern Alberta near the Saskatchewan border.

525
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: You got it, dude, that's a toughie.

526
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Well, it took me four tries. All right, So, longtime

527
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. If you tuned in to our previous Strange

528
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: News and listener mail segments, which again we welcome. We

529
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: do this every week, please join us next week as well.

530
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: We talked about something that NOL you in particular, have

531
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: been following. You you hipped us when you found a

532
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Vice article way back about the so called QAnon Queen

533
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: Ramona Didulo has self appointed as the matriarch, the monarch

534
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: of Canada, which is very interesting to the good people

535
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: of Canada who already had their own government and are

536
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: part of the you know, part of the British Empire.

537
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: Yes, and I do want to say that maybe the

538
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: article that I referenced was downplaying things a little bit.

539
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: I didn't really think so. And I also felt like

540
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: we were all kind of being visibly freaked out by.

541
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: The potential for this kind of stuff.

542
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, because there was the whole like surveillance,

543
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: like people on the roofs and stuff, and there is

544
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: a lot of veiled threats. Yeah, so I'm interested to

545
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: hear what this next level is of maybe d pulling

546
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: the veil back on some of these threats.

547
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think also what we did in terms of

548
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: the concept of being somewhat comedic about it is we

549
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: were pointing out just how very kind people tend to

550
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: be in most rural environments in the West, you know

551
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like if you went to the a

552
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of the Midwest and the United States and you

553
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: were in a small town and you took over like

554
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: an abandoned barn or a shed, then what would happen

555
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: is someone would show up and they would tell you

556
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: to get out, but they would also probably check if

557
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: you needed snacks, like show up with a cast role

558
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: like well, you know, also, you're not supposed to be here.

559
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: So when we were being a bit comedic, we're not

560
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: being dismissive. And to Nole's point there, we have one

561
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: reason we keep coming back to this person and their

562
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: followers is because there seems to be a growing danger, right,

563
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: There's something, there's something reaching a boil is the problem.

564
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: And this happens with you know, this happens with your Kureeshes,

565
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: this happens with your Bundy with the Ammons, this happens

566
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: with your Jim Joneses.

567
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: We mentioned all of those two on the episode that

568
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: it was feeling like it was inching towards that kind

569
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: of standoff situation. Sorry, I'm not like trying to defend

570
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: ourselves that is fly, I really did. I think we

571
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: all felt like this was like, what's the word, a

572
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 3: powder keg type situation.

573
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: Well, see now here, here's a problem. This person is

574
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: probably talking directly to me because in my mind, seriously,

575
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: I've viewed I viewed that group a lot as a nuisance,

576
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: as in a you know, a group that's traveling through

577
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: to different towns because nobody wants them there and they're

578
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: kind of keeping to themselves, and I saw it as

579
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: the town kind of saying, hey, get out, like come on,

580
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: we don't we don't want y'all here. And I was

581
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: thinking about solutions that the town could come up with

582
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 2: to just force them out. But I didn't think about

583
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: the things that are in this article that was shared

584
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: by our listener.

585
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's go to this article. Let's shout Laura

586
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: Scarpioletti and a pardon my pronunciation here. Laura is a

587
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: journalist for the CBC and links us to this article.

588
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: The headline involves the concept of public executions.

589
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: And.

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00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: What we see here are mentions of several things we

591
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: pointed out previously. The militarization of a cult that is,

592
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: a cultic movement that is becoming increasingly it's trending in

593
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: a bad direction. It's trending toward the US versus them.

594
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: The delusions of grandeur, the apocalyptic reckonings and predictions that

595
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: are common to all sorts of ultimately unsustainable ideological movements.

596
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: The CBC article directly references a letter that the group

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00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: sent to the mayor, the village councilors, members of the

598
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: fire department, members of the Mounted police, and a school

599
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: teacher named them specifically accuse them of corruption, bullying, and skulking,

600
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: and said the following. If the village does not follow

601
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: the decrees of the Queen, they will receive judgment, and

602
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: if they are quote found guilty of crimes against humanity

603
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: or treason, they will face publicly broadcast execution upon yourselves

604
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: and undeserved devastation upon your children, grandchildren and families. Continues.

605
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: Be Fore warned, WTP, we the people like the nomenclature.

606
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: We've got the acronyms going. We the people WTP are

607
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: now watching you with open eyes. The curtain is drawn.

608
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: Your future is in your hands. So these folks in

609
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: the village council they call a meeting after the letter

610
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: work comes out the mayor's they're disgusted, they're scared. People

611
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: are staying in their houses more often. This is dangerous stuff.

612
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: The RCMP Royal Canadian Mound Police have opened a temporary

613
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: detachment and they're in Richmond, in this rural town. And

614
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that this may be something.

615
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: Hopefully this situation results peacefully. But what do you think, guys?

616
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't think. No, you're too far off and calling

617
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: it a powder keg, because clearly, look, cultic organizations like this,

618
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: they're like fascism. They need an enemy, they need a

619
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: timeline right to rationalize the increased control over the followers.

620
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: So what will happen?

621
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Speaker 2: Well, there's definitely no quiet de escalation in that event. Right.

622
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: The queen doesn't gradually say, oh, well, maybe I'm not

623
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: the queen. Oh well, you know, i haven't been the

624
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: queen for a while, guys, I'm not the queen anymore.

625
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: You know, she's more on the off with their heads mode.

626
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: Now, Yes, either I am the queen or I am

627
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: not the queen. Right and until and right now, I

628
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: am the queen, and if you say I'm not right,

629
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to dethrone me. Kind of thing, is

630
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: what it sounds like, feels like. But again, how do

631
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: you with the thought of tanks that essentially act as

632
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: flame throwers that we have seen in the past, Like,

633
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: how do you not expect some kind of devastating force

634
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: to be brought down upon you if you're threatening an

635
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: entire town of people, right, I.

636
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: Don't know occupying a publicly owned building, right.

637
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: Taking, But if you're threatening I didn't know about these threats,

638
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: is what I guess I'm saying, Like I didn't realize

639
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: they're calling for the deaths of specific people as well

640
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: as anybody that they find to be breaking the rules

641
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: that they set, you know.

642
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: Which those people did not agree to. They did not

643
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: vote for this uh pretender to the throne. I'm not

644
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: being I'm not being a jerk. That is the name.

645
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: That is the term used when one person says they're

646
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: a monarch and someone else already considers themselves a monarch.

647
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm just putting that out there. And Queen here, you know,

648
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Speaker 1: and and that's that I think that is. I think

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00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: it's tremendously impactful because this shows us how these things

650
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: can build. And if you see something in mass media

651
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: later when this stuff goes sideways, then you're going to

652
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: see no shortage of self appointed experts who were not

653
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: paying attention to it until about twenty minutes before they

654
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: went on air. You know what I mean. Like, it's

655
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Speaker 1: just the world is happening. It's not happening in a vacuum,

656
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Speaker 1: and we have to be very careful. That's why strange

657
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: news and listener mail exists, because we've got to look

658
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: past Matt Nole. You and I were talking about this

659
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: a little bit offline, you know, the way that news

660
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: is sort of prepackaged like a microwave meal for people.

661
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: Here's a very complex situation. We've got four minutes and

662
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: thirty seconds to tell you. You know, I don't know.

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00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: I think it's dangerous. I really appreciate you Rich for

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Speaker 1: reaching out. Stay safe up there and write to us

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00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: with more details as things develop. Thought we could end

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00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: on one more if we got time. Do we have

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00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: one more? Oh?

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00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all.

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00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: Right, So we got a friend who, uh, for the

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00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: sake of anonymity, we'll call the beekeeper. The beekeeper and

671
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: I got in a little bit of a conversation because

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00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: the beekeeper is a former attendee of Deaf Cod and

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00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 1: I pitched you guys on maybe us visiting Deaf God. No,

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00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: so that says, no, well you can't. You can't afford

675
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: a burner phone.

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00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: I'm not allowed in those places anymore. All right, Ever

677
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: since I got banned for putting quake on my middle school.

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00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Servers, Oh you did?

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00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: Is that a true story, dude?

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00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Power to the people. Nice job. Uh so, uh,

681
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: here we go. This is a fun story about getting

682
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: banned from places. Okay, beekeeper, this is your story about

683
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: getting banned from Caesar's Palace. Here's how it starts. Beekeeper says,

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00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: I haven't been to a conference in a few years.

685
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: I'm not as active in info SEC as I was,

686
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: but I would love to get back to Deaf Cod

687
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: if I can get my Caesar's Palace ban lifted. Also,

688
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: beekeeper says, I'm jealous of you all's trip to the

689
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: Hoover Dam and I've wanted to go, but I've always

690
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: been busy when I'm in Vegas.

691
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: Because he's a beekeeper.

692
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's putting a jar of Bee's on the blackjack table.

693
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: He's like, better put it right in that circle man

694
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: or that dealer. Look at you funny.

695
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Out there, So ask for more details. Beekeeper says, basically,

696
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: they kicked me out of my room and I kept

697
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: breaking back in until they escorted me off the property

698
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: and banned me. They being Caesar's Palace. And then Beekeeper says,

699
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: I used pre paid cards and cash for deaf cod

700
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: and they couldn't charge the card. They wouldn't take cash

701
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: or payment over the phone for instidentals. Again, they being

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00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: Caesar's Palace. Beekeeper says this was a defcon after the

703
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: mass shooting there in Vegas and was one of the

704
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: worst def cons because people would come into everyone's room

705
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: twice a day with or without permission. It was a

706
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: whole thing. It really pissed off a lot of people.

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00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm not going there, says Beekeeper. With bank cards or

708
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: phones that can be stolen or cloned. You get there

709
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: a few days early, you walk around, you'll find once

710
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: the conference starts. There are mystery ATMs that appear and

711
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: disappear after the conference, as well as all kinds of

712
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: beat me here doc as well as all kinds of

713
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: other free that happens. There is a reason Defcon's open

714
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: Wi Fi network is called the most dangerous Wi Fi

715
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: in the world.

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00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I would never in a million years connect

717
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: to a def Con open w Are you crazy?

718
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: No?

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00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: Why why would you connect to any open Internet.

720
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: I'll just your social Security number on the internet. Just

721
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: get it, you know, just save some efforts on that.

722
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: Type list of my fears. Here's some rare genetic diseases,

723
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: you know what I.

724
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: Mean, stress positions that don't work well with my body.

725
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: Right, my opinions on boards and water. Jeez. Yeah, so

726
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: this was interesting. This is more of a clarion call

727
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: to anybody who has worked in the hygiene industry, anybody

728
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: who is interested in sharing their experiences with our fellow

729
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: conspiracy realists regarding def COT on the fence about attendin

730
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: sounds like Matt's heart. No, Noel, I think maybe we

731
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: can sweeten the deal.

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00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 3: I've intrigued.

733
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: I'll do it if I can leave my cell phone

734
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: like in Atlanta, put.

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00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: In one of those black box things that Dave Chappelle uses.

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00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: You know, I don't Faraday bag, don't trust it.

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00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: Nope. Wow, I have to get a burner phone that

738
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: only the three of us have access to. Right, don't you.

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00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: Already have one of those?

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00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 5: Bro?

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00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: Didn't you call me from one and creep me out

742
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: that one? That one's done, it's already burnt.

743
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: That was a partnership phone, mint Mobile, get mint Mobile?

744
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: Right?

745
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: No?

746
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: Sorry, but I know seriously like that. It really does

747
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: terrify me and I and I identify with this person

748
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: who wrote to you, Ben, because it's just like I

749
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: don't trust any of my electronics near anybody with sufficient nohow.

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00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got enough imaginary friends, you know what I mean? Like, uh, no.

751
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 3: New imaginary friends.

752
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're very drake about it. But but the uh uh,

753
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: of course, the next logical question will be is our

754
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: pal Jonathan Strickland, aka the quister of tech stuff fame,

755
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: is he going to attend Defcoon with us? He described

756
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: himself at it in an email as cautiously curious and

757
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: definitely would need to take a burner phone. So I

758
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: pitched to you guys the idea that we all go

759
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: doc you're in this too, and stay at that stay

760
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: somewhere by the Hoover Dam somewhere in Boulder City. Okay,

761
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: get out of the heat.

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00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: That's interesting saloon perhaps no Dillingers Dillingers. Yeah, but even

763
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: if we were like sufficiently far enough away on the

764
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: other side of the strip, I might be okay with

765
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: that where only a burner phone is on my person

766
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: ever at a time, and cash cash money.

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00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: Well, guys, the only thing that's going to get me

768
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: back out to Vegas anytime soon is the six Sad

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00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: World Festival featuring System of a Down and Lamb of

770
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: God and other Alison chains, which I guess they got

771
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 3: a new singer now, but yeah, I'd go to that.

772
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: That'd be fun, But that con sounds seconds here fun.

773
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: It's pretty deaf. It's not most deaf, but it's definitely deaf.

774
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: So we should we should go. We should go check

775
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: it out. We are also going to go now. Thank

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00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: you so much to everybody wrote in. Thank you to Leslie,

777
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: thank you to Green Garnet, thank you to Rich, thank

778
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: you to the Beekeeper. We can't wait to hear your opinions.

779
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: Keep the stories coming. You are the reason this show exists.

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00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: And if you want to join up, if we could

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00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: proselytize a little bit, we promise we're not going to

782
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: start a cult. We just want to be easy to

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00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: find online, and I hope that comment doesn't haunt us.

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00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: At deaf coin, we are, in fact easy to find online.

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00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: You can find this at the handle conspiracy stuff on

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00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: x nay, Twitter, on Facebook, and on YouTube. On TikTok

787
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 3: and Instagram, we go by the handle conspiracy Stuff show.

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00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: Hey, do you like your phone? Why not call our

789
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: voicemail number. It is one eight three three STDWYTK. You've

790
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: got three minutes, give yourself a cool nickname and let

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00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: us know at some point in that three minutes if

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00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: we can use your name and message on one of

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00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,000
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794
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: why not instead use your email.

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00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:36,879
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