1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Coast a and Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: podcasts of the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. Welcome to 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, I 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty 12 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the 13 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode, will discuss 14 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have 15 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: survived physical death and so will we. Welcome to Shades 16 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. Would you ever believe that, for almost 17 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: forty years of my life that I hated Christmas, Christmas music, 18 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: Christmas decorations, all of it hard to believe, isn't it. 19 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: Maybe you've been listening to Shades of the Afterlife for 20 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: the past two years, and you think of this woman, 21 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain, who is always so upbeat and positive and happy, 22 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: like it's all rainbows and butterflies and happy things. Right, Well, 23 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: let's remember the butterfly. As beautiful as they are, they 24 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: go through one heck of a transformation in darkness and 25 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: completely rearrange all their molecules to go through the metamorphosis 26 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: and become butterflies pain and suffering. And let's talk about 27 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: those rainbows. When do rainbows come after a storm? So 28 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: my life has been a constant battle with storms, as 29 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure yours has as well. But what has changed me? 30 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: What has changed me from hating Christmas to loving Christmas? 31 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: Does it have to do with life after death? You 32 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: bet it does. So let's go back way back. Young 33 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Sandra born April eighth, nineteen sixty six in Beverly, Massachusetts. 34 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: First thirteen years of my life were magical. Every Christmas season, 35 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: I was the first one up four or five o'clock 36 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: in the morning, waking the whole household up that Santa 37 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: has been there. I'm sure my parents really appreciated that, 38 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: but for me, it was magical. I always thought magic 39 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: was real if you were like me and watched shows 40 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: like Bewitched and I dream of Genie. I thought all 41 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: I had to do was twitch my nose and magic 42 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: would happen. I tried it many times, and it didn't 43 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: quite happen. Well, one day I learned some truths about Christmas, 44 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: shall I say, and I had some heartache. Not only 45 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: that I got a little older in my teenage years, 46 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: my parents divorced. Life as I knew it changed. Christmas 47 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: became one of dread and misery, representing a time that 48 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: other families would be happy, but not mine. Anyone who's 49 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: been through a breakup, had their parents divorced, You've experienced grief, 50 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: but you probably didn't know what it was. Then. Grief 51 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: doesn't just happen when a loved one dies. It happens 52 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: when relationships end, when someone gets diagnosed with an illness, 53 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: when kids grow up and go off to college, and 54 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: parents experience the empty nest. So all those things, anger, 55 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: disbelief sadness, uncontrollable tears, all those kind of things happen. 56 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: I remember when my parents told me they were getting divorced. 57 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: I remember exactly where I was in the kitchen, and 58 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: I remember those tears and it's over forty years later. 59 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: It's just crazy. So thankfully, around ish I developed a 60 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: huge fear of dying. And I say thankfully because now 61 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: I can look back and see that was the turning 62 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: point that had me go on my adventure. Just like 63 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: the Butterfly and the Rainbow, a lot of things happen, 64 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: and it's out of the darkest times where we can 65 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: get our biggest growth. From that time in the mid nineties, 66 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: the research that I did looking for evidence of the 67 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: afterlife one way or the other was so important to me. 68 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep at night knowing that there's a possibility. 69 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: I put my head on the pillow and then I 70 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: would just disappear. Sandra would no longer cease to exist. 71 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: I'd look up at the sky and see all the 72 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: clouds and imagine, you know how far our universe goes. 73 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: At night, I'd look at the stars and think what 74 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: else is out there? But unfortunately, instead of wonder and amazement, 75 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: it was all fear. You may have heard some of 76 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: these stories before, but as much as I learned about 77 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: the afterlife, nothing really changed for me in my heart 78 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: until I had my own personal experience. So I hope 79 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: through all of these episodes that we've had together that 80 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: it's ignited some kind of a spark for you to 81 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: do your own journey. Have you gotten signs for loved ones? 82 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: Have you taken a course in medium ship to know 83 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: that out of your own brain and mouth you can 84 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: give people information about their loved ones. Have you had 85 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: freaky experiences like knowing that the phone is going to 86 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: ring and knowing exactly who's going to be on the line, 87 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: or two of you, somebody close. You may be thinking 88 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: the same thoughts at the same time, same at the 89 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: exact same moment. We have these times that just help 90 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: us remember that there is more to life than meets 91 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: the eye, and certainly more to us than we know. 92 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: Once I gathered a whole bunch of information about the afterlife, 93 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: I was still so skeptical, and back in two thousand 94 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: and five, I flew out to California, spent money I 95 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: didn't have, just charged it on my credit card for 96 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: a weekend course in mediumship. For me, that cracked the 97 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: door wide open, because I went to skeptic. But that 98 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: fear was so crippling that I had to know in 99 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: one way or the other. The instructor said in the 100 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: description of the course. If you come to this course, 101 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: I will prove to you that you are a medium. 102 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: So that was a challenge I had to take on 103 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: and over the course of the weekend, I witnessed some 104 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: amazing things. But it wasn't until she let us each 105 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: have our first practice of mediumship. And I say practice 106 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: because she told us we were going to just make 107 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: up someone that we weren't really going to be a medium, 108 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: that we're going to use our power of our imagination 109 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: and just invent someone standing behind the person we're working 110 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: with without having any pressure, giving us just the basics 111 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: of how a medium rating is done. I worked with 112 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: a woman I had never seen before in my life 113 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: and we sat need any I closed my eyes and 114 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: the instruction was really to just create a soft pink 115 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: or white light around the two of us, you know, 116 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: just this feeling of love. And each one of us 117 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: can generate a feeling of love even if we don't 118 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: know a person. So I generated that feeling of love 119 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: for this woman, and then the instruction was to invent 120 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: someone standing behind the person we're working with. So that 121 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: was easy enough for me. I'm a chef, very creative, 122 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: I think and I invented a man standing behind my partner. 123 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: Now my eyes were closed so I couldn't see the 124 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: reaction on her face. And the instructions were just to 125 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: tell the story who they were, perhaps if there's any message. 126 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: And so with my eyes closed, I tell this woman 127 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: that I believe I have her grandfather. I just felt 128 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: like it was grandfather, you know. And he had blonde 129 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: hair and blue eyes, and he had a big gap 130 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: between his two front teeth, and he had really bad skin, 131 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: like really bad wind burned skin, and kind of longish 132 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: blonde hair, and he had a cap on. And I 133 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: saw in my mind's eye a fishing boat. So I'm 134 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: verbalizing all of this to her, that your grandfather on 135 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: your mom's side was a fisherman. All of a sudden, 136 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: I felt like it was in Denmark. I said, Denmark. 137 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: And I described exactly what he looked like, and I said, 138 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: I believe his name is Yon, And I saw him 139 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: then puffing a big cigarette and then coughing, So I 140 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,239 Speaker 1: just felt like he had died of lung cancer. Also, 141 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: I said, I feel like he never told her mom 142 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: that he loved her, that he was a real tough dad, 143 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: and that he would like this woman to deliver to 144 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: her mom the message that love is coming from her father. 145 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: I opened my eyes simply ready to say to this lady, okay, 146 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: you're next, and there were just streams of tears coming 147 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: down my partner's face because yes, indeed, her grandfather's name 148 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: was Yon. He was a fisherman and Denmark. He died 149 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: of lung cancer, and he completely fit the description. I 150 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: had one of those holy cow moments, because if mediumship 151 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: were to be real, it certainly wouldn't happen to me. 152 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: So this woman turned to me and did pretty much 153 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: the same thing. She described my grandfather. She knew a 154 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: Native American, and my grandfather was half Native American. She 155 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: saw him walking with a cane, She saw a big 156 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: german shepherd by his side, and that was his faithful 157 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: companion Champa, and other bits of information. And it was 158 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 1: just crazy because I not only knew that there was 159 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: no way this woman could have gotten this information, but 160 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: also how close the loved ones really were. So like 161 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: I said, that door started waving wide open, of going 162 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: from disbelief and a nasty optick about the afterlife to 163 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: giving it a chance. I wish I could tell you 164 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: that I spent those three days in class giving brilliant 165 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: medium readings, but it didn't happen. Here's what happened. My 166 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: mind kicked in and once I was told to do 167 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: a medium reading, fear stepped in, and fear and doubt 168 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: in our conscious mind cannot be in the same space 169 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: to do an effective medium reading. How do we set 170 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: that aside? Well, it's very, very difficult. You have to 171 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: be willing to be wrong. You have to come from 172 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: a place of love, you have to be willing to 173 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: engage your imagination. The spirit world uses your own memories. 174 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: So what feels like you are just making it up, 175 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: maybe what's happening. But what may also be happening is 176 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: the spirit world puts in your own thoughts and memories 177 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: and feelings because you're to verbalize them to your partner. 178 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: Right now, as I'm recording this, I have the blessing 179 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: of having my dearest friends Carry McLeod and Philip Dikes, 180 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: which are two of the best teaching mediums in the 181 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: entire world, and they came to visit me for a week. 182 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: They are running some of their classes in our office 183 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: and I'm overhearing some of the lecture that they're giving them, 184 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: and just knowing that people work in breakout rooms and 185 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: are communicating with their loved ones, it just brings me 186 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: back to Holy Cow. This all is real and it's 187 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: so very special. As human beings, it's difficult because everything 188 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: in our d n A tries to convince us that 189 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: this is not real. Because as human beings, I think 190 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: we have a purpose to live life fully and not 191 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: remember who we are. But there are ways to tap 192 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: into our divine nature. So let's go to the break 193 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: and I'll continue with what changed my mind to bring 194 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: Christmas magic back for me. In just a second, you're 195 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart 196 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome 197 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra champlain Well. 198 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: I told her the story of my first medium experience 199 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: and did that bring Christmas magic back to me? Nope, 200 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: absolutely not. As much as I enjoyed my weekend and 201 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: felt for the very first time that the afterlife is 202 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: very real. Because I got plenty of readings from other students, 203 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: it was enough to bring the joy back. In fact, 204 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: I'm someone who likes people to like me. You may 205 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: be one of those people too. It doesn't sit well 206 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: with me to have arguments with people, to have someone 207 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: disagree with my point of view. I feel like I 208 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: want to be part of a group. I want to 209 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: be liked. I think that's common to a lot of people. 210 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: So the last thing I was prepared to do was 211 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: to tell people that I went and had this class 212 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: in mediumship. Prior to that, I tell you I was 213 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: not only skeptical about the afterlife, but I was downright nasty. 214 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: In those days, we had different bookstores, Barnes and Nobles, 215 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: Borders Books and others, and I remember clearly going through 216 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: the spiritual section and all the people that would be 217 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: looking at books, sitting on a couch and reading. Honest 218 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: to God, I felt sorry for these people. I knew 219 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: you had to see it to believe it, and all 220 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: their hopes and dreams of angels and the afterlife was 221 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: just nonsense. Really, that these people need to get a life. 222 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: I was brutal. I really was. So for me to 223 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: start believing in the afterlife, the last thing I wanted 224 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: to do was tell other people, because they knew my thoughts, 225 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: they knew my beliefs. There are other people, I'm sure, 226 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: like myself, who didn't believe in it. So I didn't 227 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: want to lose friends, so I lied to people in 228 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: my life. I told him I went to a business workshop, 229 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: and that was it. Of course, things kept happening, things 230 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: like meeting people that had just lost a loved one 231 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: and people curious about the afterlife, and I just kept 232 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: my mouth shut. I did that. Part of me knew 233 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: that I should be telling people, but you know, the 234 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: other part of me didn't want to risk it. But 235 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: for myself, I kept gathering information. I took the occasional 236 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: class in me d M ship, I took a class 237 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: on dowsing, I took a class on hypnosis. And one 238 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: of the most interesting things I did is while I 239 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: was at one of those bookstores, I wanted to see 240 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: if there was a book that would help me with 241 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: this medium ship, because as many times I was right, 242 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: I was wrong even more times. So I went to 243 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: a Border's bookstore. And have you ever had the experience 244 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: of a book just like talking to you and it 245 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: seems to just fall off the shelf just for you. 246 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: There is a bright orange book called The Idiot's Guide 247 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: to Communicating with Spirits by Reverend Rita Berkowitz, and I thought, 248 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: anybody who has a sense of humor like this, well, 249 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: that's the book for me. And I was so enthralled 250 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: with the book because not only was it talking about 251 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: how evidential mediumship works, but Reverend Rita is what's called 252 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: a spirit artist, so not only does she do readings 253 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: for people, but she'll draw a picture of your loved one. 254 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: Now Reverend Rita is retired, there are other spirit artist 255 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: mediums that are out in the world and they're fascinating 256 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: to see work. So all throughout the book with Reverend Rita, 257 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: not only her drawing of one of these loved ones, 258 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: but the actual picture of what the loved one looked like. 259 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: They were the same people. So I was fascinated. And 260 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: for the first time I learned of the religion of Spiritualism, 261 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: where during the service the minister would also be a 262 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: medium and does readings on the congregation. And it's funny 263 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: because so many years later, here I am with my 264 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: team working with Phil and Carrie and Darren and Scott, 265 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: and we do our Sunday gathering which is very very 266 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: close to the Spiritualist service held on Sundays. We add 267 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: music videos. We make it fun. Going from reading that 268 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: book and finding out about it to now having what 269 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: I believe is the world's largest on line spiritualist service, 270 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: our Sunday Gathering. It's really hard to believe I'm telling 271 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: you the story. But back then, when I was in 272 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: the bookstore looking at this book, I was interested in spiritualism. 273 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: I was fascinated that there are people like spirit artists 274 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: like Reverend Rita, and I thought, well, however, can I 275 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: find one of these churches. I go to the back 276 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: of the book to find out more, and Reverend Rita 277 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: and her church are located only forty five minutes away 278 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: from where I live. And in my heart, I feel 279 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: like there have been breadcrumbs following a path, or there's 280 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: a path in front of me that I'm meant to 281 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: follow if I choose to. So, Yes, did I meet 282 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: Reverend Rita? Yes? Did I attend her church service? Yes? 283 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: Was I amazed? Absolutely? Was I ready to tell people 284 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: about the afterlife? No? I was not. I still didn't 285 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: have a backbone for sharing. I attended a second time 286 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: Rita's service and she had two guest speakers, a husband 287 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: and wife team that were both mediums, but they said, 288 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: we're not going to do a medium demonstration today. Instead, 289 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: we want to share something called electronic voice Phenomena. They 290 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: told us they both have children in the afterlife, and 291 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: they had left a digital tape recorder in their bedroom 292 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: with a fan blowing, with the intention of their children 293 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 1: if they wanted to put their voices on it. So 294 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: this couple left the house for twenty minutes, came back 295 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: in played the recording, and they played the recording for 296 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: us at the church and there was the sound of 297 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: giggling and little voices saying mommy, daddy, don't be afraid, 298 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: We're still here with you, something like that, and it 299 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: was shocking and fascinating, you know when you just know 300 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: something's the truth. These people had no reason to make 301 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: this up. And they pointed me in the direction of 302 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: a book called There Is No Death and There Are 303 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: No Dead by Tom and Lisa Butler, all about how 304 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: to record electronic Voice Phenomena. A couple of months later, 305 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: I needed a break. I was working so hard, and 306 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: there is a retreat center in upstate New York called 307 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: the Omega Center, and I had heard about it, and 308 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 1: I just thought, yeah, that's where I want to go. 309 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: There's nature walks, you eat healthy food. I figured on 310 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: that one weekend I had free, there would be something there, 311 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: some class to take that I would enjoy. When I 312 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: went to the website, lo and behold Tom and Lisa 313 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: Butler electronic voice phenomena. I couldn't believe my eyes seeing that, 314 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: And scared as I was, I registered and again lied 315 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: to the people in my life, saying I was just 316 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: going on a healthy retreat to exercise and lose weight. 317 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: The cab driver who brought me to the Omega Center 318 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: was the only one that knew the truth, and he 319 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: gave me his email address and made me promise to 320 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: tell him what happened. The course only had five people 321 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: in it, including myself, plus the two instructors. And if 322 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: you've read my book, We Don't Die, you get the 323 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: full description, but I'll just give you the condensed version 324 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: of what happened here. Of course, you can get a 325 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: free copy of my book if you don't already know that, 326 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: just go to We Don't Die dot com, click on 327 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: the store page, find my audio book, and use coupon 328 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: code free. Okay, but over the course of the three days, 329 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: we learned all about how our loved ones can rearrange 330 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: sounds within a recorder and put their voices or other 331 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: noises onto it. And as great as this seemed, I 332 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: still couldn't believe it unless I heard it for myself, 333 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, like I captured it for myself. There was 334 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: an opportunity for our group to do recordings and then 335 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: Tom and Lisa would play them loudly. Well, Tom and 336 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: Lisa heard messages from my deceased loved ones with their names, 337 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: so I knew they couldn't be making this up. But 338 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: like learning a different language, it's very hard for our 339 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: brains two differentiate between the white noise being played in 340 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: the background and what is a voice of a spirit communicator. 341 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: So it takes a lot of time where you're actually 342 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: listening for voices within the background noise. Some are loud, 343 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: some are almost non existent. But the more you listen, 344 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: the more you start to hear messages. Within the final 345 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: night of class, I went back to my cabin with 346 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: my digital recorder and I so wanted this to be real. 347 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: So I was alone a small cabin with tons of 348 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: rain coming down as white noise, and I pressed the 349 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: record button on my tape recorder and I'm mad, and 350 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: my grandmother, grandfather, on uncle at my bedside and just said, 351 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: if you guys are here and this is real and 352 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm meant to help people, I need you to talk 353 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: very loud, and then I'll say good night. So I 354 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: recorded for just a minute and I said good night. 355 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: I replayed the recording, and I didn't have any snazzy 356 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: computers to loop the playback or make things louder. I 357 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: simply put on my headphones and put it right into 358 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: the digital tape recorder and at the counter number forty, 359 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden there was something besides rain drops. 360 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: The hairs on my arms just stood up. I had 361 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: to stop, rewind, play it again. There was voices, and 362 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: what do the voices say? They said, good night, Sandra, 363 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: good night, good night, good night. Sounded rather computer like, 364 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: but of course if they're rearranging the sounds within a 365 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: tape recorder, that made sense. But it was the sound 366 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: of two men's voices and two women's voices. And at 367 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: that moment, another holy cow moment, I thought to myself, 368 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: not only is this real, but people are right here 369 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: with me right now. I went to bed that night excited, 370 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: but also frightened because I like my privacy and is 371 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: the spirit world all around me part of my life 372 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: right now? Thankfully, I've learned that spirit people have other agendas. 373 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: They're living their life, but they can be with us 374 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: anytime they choose, so there was no need to be frightened. 375 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: But going into class the next day and playing my recording, 376 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: everybody could hear and everybody understood the reality of the afterlife. 377 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: But did this give me my love of Christmas? No? 378 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: It did not. I'll tell you what did when we 379 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: come back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 380 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 381 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 382 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: and I bet your thinking, Wow, You've taken mediumship courses, 383 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: you've collected voices from electronic voice phenomena, and Sandra, you 384 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: still didn't believe in Christmas? Well, no, because my humanity 385 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: still missed what I had in the past, and going forward, 386 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: I knew it wouldn't be the same. I went on 387 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: to recording hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of messages through 388 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: e v P, giving it away to friends, family members, strangers, 389 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: as research. There was a tipping point when I realized 390 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: when people could hear these words for themselves, I could 391 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: have confidence in sharing my journey, which I did because 392 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: people who would say well proved to me the afterlife 393 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: is real. I couldn't trust what came out of my 394 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: own mind through mediumship, because I was so often wrong 395 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: with fear showing up. But I could do a recording, 396 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: so more often than not, when I was with a person, 397 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: I'd play water running in the background through the faucet 398 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: on a sink, or if it was a hotel room, 399 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: I'd turn the shower on for background. And what I 400 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: found is not only were messages coming through for people, 401 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: but in my mind's eye, I could see the person communicating. 402 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: There were times when people would pull a picture of 403 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: their loved one, and how shocked was I that that 404 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: was the same person that I had seen in my mind. 405 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: It's crazy. I kept in touch with Tom and Lisa Butler, 406 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: who trained me on the electronic voice phenomena, and they 407 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: spoke about a medium called David Thompson who did seances 408 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: in which in the dark people would materialize again. Dead 409 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: people could come back, touch their loved ones, talk to 410 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: their loved ones. This to me was the most outrageous 411 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: thing I could ever imagine being real. I looked on 412 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: the internet. I had found David Thompson. I found the 413 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: next time he was going to be speaking, and it 414 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 1: was in England, three thousand miles away from where I lived, 415 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: at a place called Banion Retreat. Banion Retreat is no 416 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: longer a retreat center, although they do a lot of 417 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: great things online. My fear was at an all time 418 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: high when I registered to go to something called Voices 419 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: from the Past. The whole experience, besides air fare, the room, 420 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: the food, the board of the class. It was only 421 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: a few hundred dollars. It was not something where I 422 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: thought I was being taken advantage of. So to me, 423 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: price is a good thing that dictates whether something's real 424 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: or not. And like I've said before, there are some 425 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: mediums charging exorbitant amount of money and it doesn't mean 426 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: they're good. Not only did I see this David Thompson 427 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: in person, but it was the first time that I 428 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: met Scott Milligan. And Scott, as you've heard on a 429 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: past episode, had such an incredible story as to how 430 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: he became a medium, and at that time it was 431 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: close to twenty years that he would sit in the 432 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: darkness with what's called a home circle and they would 433 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: sing and allow an opportunity for the spirit world to 434 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: work through him. Little did I know that these home 435 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: circles and physical mediums were something so big in past days, 436 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: because if you think of it, past days, they didn't 437 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: have Netflix, people weren't busy on their smartphones. Families would 438 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: get together, they would sing, somebody would have a musical instrument. 439 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: People were together. So all across the world people were 440 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: doing these seances. There were spiritualist churches all over the place, 441 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: and people accepted this as being real. During the wartime, however, 442 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: the con artists came out and tried to convince people 443 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: that their loved ones were real, but of course they 444 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: were conning them just for their money. So mediumship as 445 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: a whole really got thought of as fake. So people 446 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: in their home circles continued, but all very quiet and 447 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: very few people were open about it. So I was 448 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: delighted to have this experience. My experience was actually on 449 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving Day. What was held was called a Christmas 450 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: Tree seance, So in the middle of a room there 451 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: was a fake Christmas tree and we were all invited 452 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: to bring gifts for the spirit children toys. They just 453 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: asked for nothing that was electronic. So I brought some 454 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: barbie dolls. They were wrapped. We put them around the tree. 455 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: Also around the tree were some musical instruments like harmonicas 456 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: and bells and toy piano drums. And as we sat 457 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: in a circle of about maybe about the d people, 458 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: Scott Milligan, the medium, was sitting in what's called a cabinet. 459 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: It was three doors, three pieces of wood, with a 460 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: black curtain in the front and on the top. Scott 461 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: was actually strapped down to the chair with those plastic 462 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: zip ties, really big ones, so that he couldn't get out. 463 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: To prove to everyone that what could be to follow 464 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: was from the spirit world, not from Scott getting out 465 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: of his chair and making things up. Everyone got to 466 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: test to make sure this man was really strapped down strong. 467 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: We started singing, and we started singing Christmas carols. And 468 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: you know how I was about Christmas carols, right, They 469 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: just made me sick, remembering of days gone by and 470 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: the family that had been broken up that would never 471 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: be the same. But I made a promise that I 472 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: would sing so we were singing the twelve Days of 473 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: Christmas and jingle bells and so many more. And at 474 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: some point phenomena started to happen, and at some point 475 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: a voice seemed to come out of nowhere. This was 476 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: a voice of Daniel, who was a spirit person that 477 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: works through Scott. He gave some opening bits of information 478 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: to try to humor people and take away the fear. 479 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: You know how high the fear was right running within 480 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: me sitting in a darkened room. And we sang and 481 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: we sang. And the next thing Daniel said, as the 482 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: children have arrived. So after singing all of these Christmas songs, 483 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: what could only be described is the sound of maybe 484 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: a dozen children in the room, and all of these 485 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: dozens of wrapped Christmas presents were unwrapped, all at the 486 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: same time. Now again Scott is strapped down to that chair. 487 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: Each one of us were holding hands tightly with words 488 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: if anyone broke the circle to speak up, because maybe 489 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: one of us could be doing something. But not only 490 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: were the toys played with, a lot of them had 491 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: glow in the dark things on them. It seemed like 492 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: hula hoops were floating through the air. The toy drum 493 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: at the piano, the harmonica, the bell, everything was being 494 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: wrung at the same time. Many of the toys did 495 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: have fluorescent tape on them, so again it was like 496 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: they were floating around the room. I felt a stuffed 497 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: animal being put on my lap. I felt a child's 498 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: hand holding my hand. When it was all over, the 499 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: toys that I had given the spirit children were placed 500 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: gently by my feet. Now nobody knew that I was 501 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: the one with those Barbie dolls, but the spirit people did. 502 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: Not only were the toys played with, but there was 503 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: a glow in the dark plaque that seemed to work 504 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: its way around the room. And lo and behold, I 505 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: was presented with the plaque and it was being held 506 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: by a little child. I could see the fingers moving. 507 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: There were no children in that room. What followed next 508 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: was the voices of loved ones who were deceased that 509 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: got an opportunity to come back and talk to their 510 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: person who was in the room with me. I have 511 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: not experienced anything like that, And to the skeptical mind, 512 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: which is healthy to be skeptical, it seems so far 513 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: out there, like, how can it be true? I'm not 514 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: here to convince you of anything but that wasn't my 515 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: only experience with Scott Milligan. I have worked personally with him, 516 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: hosting him at different events. I have helped set up 517 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: the room and break down the room of these seances. 518 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 1: I must have attended maybe two dozen of them, all 519 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: with some phenomena taking place, all with singing. But what's 520 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: most important is that the loved ones get to speak 521 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: to their people who are here on earth, things that 522 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: nobody else could know. I didn't realize it at the time, 523 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: but my connection with Christmas was now associated with the 524 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: experience I had at Bannion Retreat. Christmas became magical. That 525 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: little girl inside me that so badly wanted magic to 526 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: be real realized it is for each one of us. 527 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: We live our lives thinking being human is it? We 528 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: have to see it to believe it. But through quantum 529 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: physics it is proven that down to the molecules and 530 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: cells and adam that make up us, if you could 531 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: put a little camera within us, it would capture nothing 532 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: because all we are is vibrating energy. We live in 533 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: an ever expanding universe, which is mind blowing. We are 534 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: souls having a human experience. I am so grateful that 535 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: I get to witness what I've witnessed. That I get 536 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: to experience what I've experienced, and all I can do 537 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: is be the mouthpiece to share. It's up to you 538 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: if you want to take the ball and run with 539 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: it and explore for yourself. It's only through that self 540 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,959 Speaker 1: exploration do I think you can believe. To the skeptical mind, 541 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: physical mediumship is really hard to believe. So please don't 542 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: take my word for it. Have an experience sometime with 543 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: someone reputable. Each one of these seances lasts about two hours, 544 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 1: so there's a whole bunch more experiences that you have. 545 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention something I'm talked about these toys 546 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: that the spirit children get to play with. What happens 547 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: to these toys afterwards. There's a beautiful children's hospice called 548 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: demels a house that gets all of the presence each year. 549 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: We do our best to donate to them. If you're 550 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: somebody with a couple of extra dollars to spare, if 551 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: you go to Demelza dot org dot UK you can 552 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: give to our favorite charity. When we come back from 553 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: the break, we'll hear more. And do I have my 554 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: love of Christmas? You bet I do? You're listening to 555 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: Shades of the afterlaf on the I Heart Radio and 556 00:37:40,160 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to 557 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandras Champlain. Remember in the 558 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: last segment I talked a little bit about Eric, the 559 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: voice that speaks through Scott Milligan. Yes, I've heard him 560 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: in the live seances, always filled with inspiration and comfort. 561 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 1: For the past over two years, almost every Friday, we've 562 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: been sitting on zoom where anyone can join us and 563 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: we get to hear philosophy and be able to ask 564 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: questions of Eric. This recording is from this past Friday, 565 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: and it's just a few minutes of Eric talking about 566 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: the upcoming holiday and ultimately being grateful for what it 567 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: is that we have. The relationship I have with him 568 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: is truly very special. I've known Scott Milligan the medium 569 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: for seven years now, and he is different personality than 570 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: this fell lo Eric. I've interviewed Scott before on this show. 571 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: I've talked about physical mediumship and trance mediumship. I've told 572 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: you about my experiences personally taking classes on trance mediumship 573 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: and having a voice speak through me when I just 574 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: was paying attention to my own breathing, after of course, 575 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: sitting for quite some time with the loving request if 576 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: someone would like to speak through me. It's incredible, and 577 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: unless you have experiences yourself, I don't think you can 578 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: quite believe it, because you may be as skeptical as 579 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,760 Speaker 1: I once was. But when you start following your heart's 580 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: passion and getting a taste of these mediumistic things yourself, 581 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: you'll realize there's a bigger purpose for your life, and 582 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: you are much bigger than you think you are. So 583 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: here's a clip of Eric speaking through Scott Milligan. Step 584 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: ever so gent live throughout this life in which you live, 585 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: but stamps so loudly in the world of your dreams. 586 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,479 Speaker 1: Of this world in which you live is ever so 587 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: fragile for you. But isn't everything that is beautiful is 588 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: fragile for each of you who are born to listen 589 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: to our world naturality, Our world listens to you before 590 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: we come only to serve to serve God. However, once 591 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: is God, for many are you hold the gifts of 592 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: the soul that serves the spirit it in cooperation with 593 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: each other, we walk with you. Or it was once said, 594 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: if you are to follow me, I will abandon you. 595 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: If I was to follow you, you abandoned me. Or 596 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: I walk only by the side, no one in front 597 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 1: or left behind. We are patient with the steps, but 598 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: within your dreams, the soul experience whatever the mind can pain, 599 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: for the soul has come for experience. But walk in 600 00:41:54,680 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: both worlds. Sometimes it is a fullestry m hmm. But 601 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: the dream nevertheless, for you see through child's eyes such 602 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: innocent for they still echo the world in which they 603 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: come from, and how this world is molding a potential, 604 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: for it is a step to a greater world to come. 605 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 1: But we are reminded as you approached the festival of life, 606 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:44,919 Speaker 1: so many people will view this time differently. For it 607 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:50,280 Speaker 1: is not the size of the glitter of the gift 608 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 1: you give that will cause you worried in the month 609 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: that follows. It is the gift of your company. For 610 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: a child to be heard, a child to stand with you, 611 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: to create memory, that is the gift that they carry 612 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: for eternal day. For a toy that is given today 613 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: will simply be discarded as this world continues to influence. 614 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: For we cannot give you pockets of gold or silver, 615 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: but we can give you knowledge share story or simply listen. 616 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 1: That enriches the whole fabric of existence. For many of 617 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: you have prayed for peace. You have prayed for warmth 618 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: and comfort. As money seems to cause such distress in 619 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: a time where your world is bright. Do not concern yourselves, 620 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: my friends. If the turkey is not as fat or 621 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: plump as the one before, do not concern yourself, if 622 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: the glass is only a little instead of being allowed. 623 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: But concern yourself with this, my friends. That is a 624 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: sharing your love. And if children run and mark, do 625 00:44:52,200 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: not respond in anger, but run with them, be with them. 626 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:06,439 Speaker 1: Or there are countries of your world where it isn't so, 627 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 1: and children are viewed to be different. The table will 628 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: not be said, the plate will be empty. You hear 629 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: in your house is and your homes great celebrations, and 630 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:34,240 Speaker 1: others will hear the sound of war. People will pray 631 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: for snow, and a dustin will be granted. Others will 632 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: pray for warmth, for they have no pillow to rest 633 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 1: their weary head. Now I have not come here to 634 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:56,400 Speaker 1: be a story teller, or to remind you of the 635 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: tales of Scrooge Bow. Those who have little in naturalality 636 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: have a lot, because they squeeze every ounce of fun 637 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: and enjoyment for what they have. And those who throw 638 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: money a children who are petulant, it will never be enough. 639 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: For look back when one was a child, one who 640 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: have a handful of coal, an apple or an orange. 641 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: For if one lived by the docks, the spiceships with 642 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: their fragrance, who carried on the cold breath of wind, 643 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 1: For we knew then it is about bringing our families together. 644 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:07,399 Speaker 1: It service spirit of this year is to be thankful 645 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: for the air that you breathe, the peace that you hear, 646 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:22,240 Speaker 1: and the spirit that walks through us all. No matter 647 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 1: what faith you carry, you could always find enjoyment listening 648 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: to others who are celebrating at this time. What I'm 649 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: really left with after recording this episode is how grateful 650 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: I am, how I don't take things for granted anymore. 651 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: How my journey has brought me to you here today, 652 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: and I'm ever so grateful you're listening, as with all 653 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 1: the teachers that have shown up in my life who 654 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: have given me a little spark. I hope these episodes 655 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: give you a little spark to follow in the direction 656 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: of your dreams. There's a great quote that says a 657 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: ship in the harbor is safe, but that's not what 658 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 1: ships are built for. We can play it safe or 659 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: we can go out to create our own lives. I 660 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: can guarantee you that behind you, in front of you, 661 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: to each side of you, invisible as they may be, 662 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,800 Speaker 1: you have a whole team of loved ones and guides 663 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: doing everything they can to assist you in your journey. 664 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: You may hear a little voice in your head may 665 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: sound identical to your voice, but pay attention to your feelings, 666 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: that inner compass, and they may direct you in just 667 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,760 Speaker 1: the right way. And also, whether it's a holiday time 668 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: or not, feel free to set an extra place setting 669 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: for your loved one. They are right there with you 670 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: as always. Come join us on a Sunday, would you. 671 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,760 Speaker 1: We have our free Sunday gatherings and they feel good. 672 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: When you go to We Don't Die dot com and 673 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: click on the Sunday Gathering page, you can scroll down 674 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 1: and watch a whole bunch of replays and also register 675 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: for the next upcoming one. So, whether you're going into 676 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: a holiday right now or not, I'm wishing you the 677 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,839 Speaker 1: best day ever, the best week ever, the best year ever. 678 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,080 Speaker 1: The mind will try to pull you back and make 679 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: you worry about the past the future, but it's only 680 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: in the present moment where you get the real gift 681 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 1: and get to realize who you really are. So with that, 682 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 1: I thank you and I am so grateful for you 683 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 1: listening today. I'm Sandra Champlain and you've been listening to 684 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,880 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and 685 00:49:52,000 --> 00:50:09,760 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. Thanks for listening 686 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast Day 687 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 1: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out all 688 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,520 Speaker 1: our shows on the I Heart Radio app or by 689 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: going to I heart radio dot com.